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« Reply #405 on: Mar 01, 2010, 11:46 AM »

Hi Bradley,

     The shocks that the Soul will create in order to enforce it's evolutionary intentions as symbolized by his 8th House polarity point, the N.Node in the 11th in Taurus ruled by the 7th House Venus in Aquarius, will be rooted in losing a partner(s) for the reasons that we have been talking about so far. And those reasons really have nothing to do with the relative 'privileges' , or lack of, because of the economic stations that he has been born into. Those shocks will hurt just as much whether he is a millionaire or in some other economic situation.

     On a sexual level, whether male or female, this signature will typically correlate to learning various sexual techniques .. Virgo ... that somehow are linked to sexual fulfillment of the partner because of the underlying feeling of inadequacy within them self. This just reinforces the mental approach to the sexuality versus emotional engagement that is the real underlying issue that can lead their partners elsewhere. In essence, this can create an orientation to the sexual needs of the partner that equal 'sexual servicing' of the partner versus actual emotional/soul engagement. The orientation to learning/ applying the sexual techniques can also include, depending on the whole context of the chart, those that are aimed rooted in various forms of inducing intensity. When this is the case this is a compensation for the inner emptiness felt from within. And that emptiness can then of course be reflected in the relationship with the partner so that the induced sexual technique creating such intensity creates a temporary sense of meaningfulness, of being 'together', as a counteractive point to the actual reality of the relationship: it's core emptiness. Additionally, in the signature that we are working with this learning of various techniques in order to induce the desired response is to 'prove', S.Node in Scorpio in the 5th relative to the 2nd House Pluto/Uranus in Virgo, to himself his 'sexual power's' that, in the end, are about him feeling 'ok' within himself about himself in order to counteract the inner sense of inadequacy. So, in the end, its is a very narcissistic orientation anyway.

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« Reply #406 on: Mar 02, 2010, 02:24 PM »

OK, here it is!  (Need I say more?!) 

Thank you, everyone (!) for your help!

This individual has been instinctually rebelling against the profound inner emptiness he has felt due to the narrow frame of reality in which he has lived  (Pluto/Uranus/Virgo/2nd house).  He has been questioning in a very deep way the beliefs and values that have grounded him in his reality.  He has been asking in a very deep way, “What is the meaning and purpose of my life, of my very existence?” (SN/Scorpio/5th together with the 2nd house and also, possibly, a Last Quarter aspect between Pluto/SN – is this correct that if they are in aspect, it is a Last Quarter square, ie, not a First Quarter square?).  His probing has continually led him back to the emptiness of the values with which he has lived and grounded his being (Pluto rulership of SN) which has led to crisis – in beliefs, in relationship and in consciousness (Venus inconjunct Uranus).  And it is this dynamic that has, over time, evolved him to the individuated state.  In this state, he has come to feel progressively alienated from the society (ie, status quo values and beliefs) of the societies into which he has been born.  Inwardly, there is still a part of him that would like to try to conform – to at least look as though he fits in – and thus hold onto at least a remnant of security (2nd house, Scorpio).  But he is nearing the point in his own evolution when he will no longer be able to keep this up – when the sense of alienation will be complete (latter stages of 1st stage individuated, nearing early stages of 2nd stage individuated).
Currently, in this life, he is needing to recover skipped steps (Venus applying to SN).  He has been going back and forth between deeply probing his circumstances – his values, beliefs, his sense of self and purpose – to settling for the comfort and security of the group (Venus in Aquarius square the Scorpio 5th house/Taurus 11th house nodal axis).  The skipped steps he is needing to recover involve delving more fully into the penetrating questioning he has been doing – to allow himself to truly feel and know the utter emptiness of his being and experience and to get to the core of his feelings of guilt (Virgo/Pisces axis).  He will be questioning all the expectations that the society into which he has been born has for him.  “Why have children,” for example (2nd/5th houses).  “Why marry?” (Scorpio and also Venus in Balsamic Phase with PPP).  The very wealth into which he has been born may feel claustrophobic (Scorpio) and alienating (2nd house Uranus) to him and he may instinctually attempt to throw that off in this lifetime – to rebel against it (Pluto/Uranus in New Phase Conjunction) – thus inducing a crisis (inconjunct to Venus) in which he must rely on a community of alienated others (Venus/Aquarius/7th house) for a sense of security (2nd house/Taurus NN).  By deeply questioning his circumstances, by instinctually rebelling against that which feels stifling to him at the very core of  his being, he will provoke within himself a necessary anger response (eventual 2nd stage individuated), keeping him separate and alienated.  In this way he gains the psychological space he needs to come to know himself as himself, as a unique and special individual.  
Crisis is a strong theme in this chart (Virgo, Pluto/Uranus in New Phase, Uranus/Venus inconjunct, Scorpio SN, the increasing realization that he does not fit in) and is necessary for the need to develop self-knowledge indicated in the chart.  At the same time the NN in Taurus wants comfort and security in the group (11th house).  The primary danger is escapism (PPP in Pisces) and a general loss or confusion of boundaries.  He may, for example, simply adopt the values of others, avoiding the need to look deeply within to discover his own value/s and providing for himself the appearance of fitting in (Full Phase polarity to Pluto/Uranus conjunction and still in 1st stage individuated).  With his inherited circumstance of wealth, he may allow himself (his resources) to be used by others, perhaps feeling guilty (Virgo) for his circumstance and perhaps still remembering at an unconscious level the feeling of security that came from being a part of the consensus (Pluto/Uranus in New Phase and still in 1st Stage Individuated).  At the same time, allowing his resources to be used would provide him with a false sense of security, false because the only real security for him in this life is coming to know himself within himself and his sense of purpose in life which derives from this inner knowing.  Another danger is the danger of substance abuse or some other form of escapism (PPP in Pisces), this corresponding to his increasing need to hook up with like-minded others, ie, falling into the wrong crowd (Venus in Aquarius and nearing 2nd stage individuated).  Again, the possibility of being used exists here.  In each case the danger that he falls into will trigger crises which will then enforce the need to look deeply within to come to come to know himself.  
One positive manifestation of the chart that I see is the possibility of engaging in humanitarian work, ie, helping others to meet their basic needs (Venus/Aquarius/11th house/Virgo/Pisces/Uranus).  There would still be the danger of focusing on appearing like everyone else.  Yet work of this kind could bring him into contact with a diversity of others, giving him the chance to compare and contrast basic values.  Thus in a detached way (Aquarius) he could engage in the inner work of coming to know himself within.  Anger and crises would still manifest, but in a less self-destructive way.  However, because he is in the latter stages of 1st Stage Individuated, and thus the angry rebellion of the 2nd Stage Individuated is looming, even this work, it seems, could only lead to a more profound sense of alienation.  
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« Reply #407 on: Mar 02, 2010, 03:24 PM »

Hi Dhyana,

 To answer your question about the awareness of his own inner blocks, his emotional withholding and distancing. At his point of evolution, last part of 1st Stage individuated, that awareness will come through the feedback of his partners: Venus in the 7th, squaring the 5th House S.Node.

Hi Rad,
I am wondering what this actually LOOKS like in a 1st stage individuated PROGRESSING towards (FULLY ALIENATED) 2nd stage.  I have a hard time picturing how it plays out other than negatively...?  Does one have to look at the chart as a blueprint of the Soul through ALL the stages, ie, so you understand the ultimate positive/constructive potential but, given the stage understand the more negative limitations of the current lifetime?  Does this make sense?  (Same ? with the rest of the post).

Ellen


Later on in the EA stages, 3rd Stage Individuated and beyond, that awareness could occur within the Soul itself. The function of having his Venus in Aqarius, the 11th House N.Node, is to create relationships with others who have the affect of helping him 'objectify' himself in total: his psychology and the reasons for it. And the intention within this, Pluto's 8th House polarity, the ongoing S.Node in Scorpio in the 5th, N.Node in the 11th, is to completly metamorphose from his existing state of being. To recreate himself anew. The external sources who help him objectify his existing psychological reality, and the reasons for it, are created by this Soul for these purposes.

 I have read through your analysis and will get back to you tomorrow on it. For now what you are identifying is generally correct.

 Rad
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« Reply #408 on: Mar 02, 2010, 04:22 PM »

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   The core issue is symbolized in the Pluto/Uranus conjunction in the 2nd, squaring the 5th House S.Node in Scorpio: his sexuality is very intense yet is FOCUSED ON HIMSELF. This is a Soul who has been focused on the symbol of the penis, the phallus, as all powerful. A SOURCE OF CREATION: 5th House. Thus, a Soul who used himself, his own body as a vehicle of stability, self reliance, and developing a deep inner relationship to itself.


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i]Hi Rad,

I'm wanting to check my understanding of the logic here.  Is this because he has just emerged from the Consensus State, and thus has identified (his Soul has identified) with the patriarchy - with the power of it, and wanting it - which would reinforce this narcissistic orientation at the consensus level?  And he would not even recognize the effects that this narcissism is having on others and on himself in a negative way...?

Ellen

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« Reply #409 on: Mar 03, 2010, 08:35 AM »

Hi Rad ...

So, here is my try about this new chart .... I have focused mostly in the sexual dynamic which appear to be so important for this Soul .... I don't feel this is already finished, though, because I am quite late in this assignment, I am posting it now .... Thanks ... and .... God Bless

Being in the last stages of the 1st stage individuated condition, this would be a Soul who would be trying to “walk out of the closet” so to speak, ie. having fundamental desires and needs to externally face and reflect the fact that his values, beliefs,  are different than those of Consensus, a fact has been trying to hide during the evolutionary stage he is currently ending. This would be a very secretive Soul as regards his own values, his desire nature, and his sexual desires and nature. Given that the SN is in Scorpio and Uranus is conjunct Pluto in the 2nd House, this Soul would have created experiences that would have made him become aware of the strength and depth of his sexual desires, and the need to have deep permeating experiences of a sexual and emotional nature.  He would need to feel allowed to explore and to creatively discover about his desire sexual nature without restrictions of any kind. Though, given his evolutionary condition, he would have tried to appear as sexually normal in the terms of his Consensus society, ie. to engage in sexual practices according to the prevailing customs and taboos.

These experiences allowing his ongoing discovery of his desire and sexual nature would have been induced by this Soul through attracting others who would mirror his own deep sexual desires, and who would have confronted the Soul in order for the Soul to face his own desire nature (Venus in the 7th being NN ruler squaring the Nodes, and Uranus-natural ruler of the 11th House, being conjunct 2nd House Pluto). These experiences would have created crisis (the inconjunct between Venus and Uranus, the NN Taurus being in the 11th House and Pluto being conjunct Uranus, both in Virgo) because these people reflected something the Soul felt at a deep level that he needed in order to evolve, though, he was unable to integrate these experiences in his value structure and relationship patterns. This would have been a crisis in his relationships and at the same time a crisis in his own patterns of self-relatedness; or, better said, a crisis in his patterns of self-relatedness who would translate into a crisis in his relationships with others.

The Soul would have experienced guilt because of these crises, because he would have felt deep within that he was unable to honestly relate to himself in others in ways reflecting his true needs, his true nature. He would have been tempted to deny his own desire nature. He would have felt, however, externally exposed by the dynamics created in associations. If totally suppressing his desire nature, he would have experienced an utter alienation and a massive distortion of his emotional nature (Pluto 2nd House Virgo). He would be aware at a Soul level of his intense sexual needs, so he would have been able to understand at some point that he could not endure total sexual suppression.

Masturbation would be very necessary for this Soul to regularly restore his sexual/emotional balance. He would have kept on being very secretive about his needs though, he would also use the intense displays of his narcissistic egocentric structure (SN in the 5th House) as a means to attract others into his life in order to satisfy his own sexual needs. This narcissistic approach would be very limited in scope, because of the inherent conflict this Soul is manifesting within about his desire nature. It would not be an expansive creativity serving to involve the Soul with larger and larger groups of people through synthesis of resources; instead, it would only operate, because of concealment, through relationships with people coming near to where the Soul already is.

The Soul would then manipulate this other people in order to sexualize their relationships, though, this would still be very difficult for the Soul to do, because of the conflicting desires in his Soul, ie. the desire and need to experiment in sexual non-conventional activities on the one hand, and the desire to appear as sexually “normal” or eve to appear as non-sexual at all. It would be like a very hungry animal who is unable to eat, so to speak. Even he would get to the point of emotionally or sexually rejecting others he has already attracted and who were also sexually interested in this Soul, because of his conflicts.

This dynamics would even produce at some points a dehydration of the sexual energy/fluids for this Soul, because of these conflicts and because of the sexual suppression and further, an inability to sexually perform because of the mental engagement in the sexual conflict and the anxiety produced as to when and how sexual satisfaction will be attained (Uranus conjunct Pluto, NN in the 11th, Venus inconjunct Uranus). These experiences will be quite devastating for the Soul and would also be quite shocking for these other people who would have perceived and followed the sexual signals of attraction and would then be rejected. Additionally, the Soul would also, because of his inner vibration produced by his conflicting desires, have a fear of rejection and would even attract others who would reject his sexual approach, his sexual orientation. These experiences of rejection would have the effect of inducing further guilt, the feeling that there is something inherently wrong in his desire nature.

The Soul would be almost totally focused in this conflict. Because of the strength of his inherent sexual nature, he would also become very focused in sex. This very dynamics would tend to perpetuate an experience of sex as just sex, as divorced as sex as an experience of the Soul, ie. an emotional experience. In this level, the evolutionary purpose for this Soul would be to engage in sex as a Soul experience (8th House PPP). This would require the Soul to consciously assume its inherent sexual nature and desires and to create open dynamics of relationships reflecting his true nature, ie. being exposed as who he really is, instead of concealing.  And thus, creating dynamics in relationships in which his emotional and sexual needs and desires are considered and synthesized with the needs of others which would be just as important as his needs and desires.

Until this point is reached, the Soul would need to be very self-reliant in sexual/emotional terms, though he should also use masturbation as a means of relating to himself not only sexually, but as a means of achieving sexual self-knowledge and integration at Soul level: discovering the nature of its sexual desires though the analysis of the types of images and fantasies he creates, and also uniting body and Soul through the experience of consuming orgasms who would have the effect of dissolving the egocentric structure and further, allowing new value associations, new patterns of identity.


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« Reply #410 on: Mar 03, 2010, 10:24 AM »

Hi Ellen,

"I am wondering what this actually LOOKS like in a 1st stage individuated PROGRESSING towards (FULLY ALIENATED) 2nd stage.  I have a hard time picturing how it plays out other than negatively...?  Does one have to look at the chart as a blueprint of the Soul through ALL the stages, ie, so you understand the ultimate positive/constructive potential but, given the stage understand the more negative limitations of the current lifetime?  Does this make sense?  (Same ? with the rest of the post)."

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First, we need to resist judging any given Soul's evolutionary process as negative or positive. It should simply be seen and understood as it naturally is, it's necessity, and the reasons for that necessity. The way it 'looks like' in this paradigm is that the Soul will attract to itself key people who provide the 'feedback' by way of conversations that help this Soul unlock who he actually is, and why. These types of conversations will be born out through various kinds of conflict he will have with the intimate others in his life. The evolutionary stage of development simply correlates to where any given Soul is it's evolutionary journey relative to it's own realizations about it's individual nature, and it's relationship to that which has created it in the first place: The Source Of All Things.

 Rad

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« Reply #411 on: Mar 03, 2010, 10:43 AM »

Hi Ellen,

"The core issue is symbolized in the Pluto/Uranus conjunction in the 2nd, squaring the 5th House S.Node in Scorpio: his sexuality is very intense yet is FOCUSED ON HIMSELF. This is a Soul who has been focused on the symbol of the penis, the phallus, as all powerful. A SOURCE OF CREATION: 5th House. Thus, a Soul who used himself, his own body as a vehicle of stability, self reliance, and developing a deep inner relationship to itself."


Hi Rad,

I'm wanting to check my understanding of the logic here.  Is this because he has just emerged from the Consensus State, and thus has identified (his Soul has identified) with the patriarchy - with the power of it, and wanting it - which would reinforce this narcissistic orientation at the consensus level?  And he would not even recognize the effects that this narcissism is having on others and on himself in a negative way...?

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The logic is the astrological signature itself: the symbols we are using. It's because he is in the 1st Stage Individuated that has caused him to live an external life that appears 'normal' from consensus point of view, thus heterosexual because this is the consensus norm, yet within his Soul signature being a male orientated bisexual. The male orientation is determined because of the placement of the Nodes, and thus he perception of the power of the Phallus. The narcissism in these symbols is determined because of his evolutionary state: a state of ongoing individuated self discovery. Yes, he would be unaware of the effects of his narcissism on intimate others in his life. It is through the feedback of such partners that he would then become aware.

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« Reply #412 on: Mar 03, 2010, 11:08 AM »

Hi Gonzalo,

 You have correctly identified deep, core, dynamics within this Soul so far. I understand you have focused on the sexual dynamics for now. There are many others dynamics and issues that also correlate with the overall paradigm that we are using. One thing to understand in this signature is the role of 'work' in his life, and how he can use the role of work to 'hide behind'. This hiding behind the work structure allows for a very deep inner gestation of Soul birth/ realization to take place. Thus, 'needing', 2nd House Pluto/Uranus to keep himself busy. Conversely, the work dynamic can be used as a way of 'avoiding' all the Soul intentions and lessons for his life.

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« Reply #413 on: Mar 03, 2010, 11:30 AM »

Hi Ellen,

 A very good first effort on your part. I can see you trying to use the natural reasoning of the EA paradigm to generate your analysis. Bravo for this.

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"(SN/Scorpio/5th together with the 2nd house and also, possibly, a Last Quarter aspect between Pluto/SN – is this correct that if they are in aspect, it is a Last Quarter square, ie, not a First Quarter square?)."

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 Yes, last quarter ................

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« Reply #414 on: Mar 03, 2010, 01:01 PM »

Hi Rad,

I am having trouble formulating anything beyond what I already have for this chart. I think there are a couple reasons for this (AND I am hoping you may pick up on any additional  reason(s) I may be stuck, and relay it to me)?

The one reason is becuase I cannot understand how you came to the issue of his bisexuality? Not the masturbation part and the focus on himself and the power of the phalac etc. (bc I re read the Pluto H2 chapter in Pluto Vol 1. and saw that dynamic clearly)  -- But the ASPECTS that show a bisexual tendency (Uranus?)?  What ASPECTS show this and why? I just have no idea what aspects would give you the understanding of the bisexual part (other than Uranus, but what else..how do the other aspects play into it --both the stage of evolution and Venus?). And even more than that, what would be the souls intention for this bisexual-ness -- why would this be useful for this INDIVIDUAL identity from a soul perspective? Is the acknowledgement and honesty about it what the soul longs for or the actual acting out the tendency?  You say that the stage of his individuation would mark this (if I understood that accurately) but even after reading the stages over I still cannot figure out how you came to this.  Furthermore, I wonder if this man has any clue about his bisexuality at all or is it the next stage or even next life where he will get an actual hold of this ( in the next stage where this clue would emerge for him or in this one), --Thus I am stuck in going any further with the chart.

I did pick up that something about his work will be key, and I am trying to develop that, but I feel too stuck with the other thing to proceed? In otherwords, I think that until I am clearer about the sexuality thing I will not be able to intuit into the work thing bc of any subtle connection that may be inherent in that dynamic.

Another reason I cannot seem to go further is bc I a only aware of some of his aspects. Namely the ones you first gave us.  I don't know if others more skilled in EA are able to place all the other aspects respectively based on the initial aspects you gave us -- I simply  am not skilled enough in astrology or EA to figure all those respective placements/aspects (I just use the astro software for that based on birth data, u know?). All I can deduct from the initial info is house placement and ascendant (and even that may be a tiny bit off if this man has anything intercepted?  I also am not even sure if I need to know any of them at this step of the chart analysis? Sorry that these questions are so basic.
 
Looking for your feedback.

Thank you

Dhyana
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« Reply #415 on: Mar 03, 2010, 01:44 PM »

Hi Ellen,

"I am wondering what this actually LOOKS like in a 1st stage individuated PROGRESSING towards (FULLY ALIENATED) 2nd stage.  I have a hard time picturing how it plays out other than negatively...?  Does one have to look at the chart as a blueprint of the Soul through ALL the stages, ie, so you understand the ultimate positive/constructive potential but, given the stage understand the more negative limitations of the current lifetime?  Does this make sense?  (Same ? with the rest of the post)."

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First, we need to resist judging any given Soul's evolutionary process as negative or positive. It should simply be seen and understood as it naturally is, it's necessity, and the reasons for that necessity.

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i]Hi Rad,

Yes, and thanks.  This is an ongoing difficulty and confusion on my part.  Through Dhyana's posts and your responses (including to me below) I am understanding now in a way I hadn't that key to the Individuated State is the need for FEEDBACK from others.  There is an evolutionary NEED to focus on self which necessitates this feedback.  This is part of the learning process.  The REBELLION of the Individuated State is not a necessary negative, but a necessary part of the evolutionary process.  Yes?  What I am trying to understand, and where my confusion comes in, is how does one make sense of, say, the Columbine shootings?  I think I have a linkage in my mind between alienation and destructive rebellion.  But you are saying that that is not necessarily the linkage, but COULD be....?  In other words, one does not by necessity have to RAGE their way through the Individuated States?

Thanks,
Ellen[/i]


The way it 'looks like' in this paradigm is that the Soul will attract to itself key people who provide the 'feedback' by way of conversations that help this Soul unlock who he actually is, and why. These types of conversations will be born out through various kinds of conflict he will have with the intimate others in his life. The evolutionary stage of development simply correlates to where any given Soul is it's evolutionary journey relative to it's own realizations about it's individual nature, and it's relationship to that which has created it in the first place: The Source Of All Things.

 Rad


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« Reply #416 on: Mar 03, 2010, 01:56 PM »

Hi Ellen,

"The core issue is symbolized in the Pluto/Uranus conjunction in the 2nd, squaring the 5th House S.Node in Scorpio: his sexuality is very intense yet is FOCUSED ON HIMSELF. This is a Soul who has been focused on the symbol of the penis, the phallus, as all powerful. A SOURCE OF CREATION: 5th House. Thus, a Soul who used himself, his own body as a vehicle of stability, self reliance, and developing a deep inner relationship to itself."


Hi Rad,

I'm wanting to check my understanding of the logic here.  Is this because he has just emerged from the Consensus State, and thus has identified (his Soul has identified) with the patriarchy - with the power of it, and wanting it - which would reinforce this narcissistic orientation at the consensus level?  And he would not even recognize the effects that this narcissism is having on others and on himself in a negative way...?

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The logic is the astrological signature itself: the symbols we are using. It's because he is in the 1st Stage Individuated that has caused him to live an external life that appears 'normal' from consensus point of view, thus heterosexual because this is the consensus norm, yet within his Soul signature being a male orientated bisexual.

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color=blue]OK.  No problem.  I get this.

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The male orientation is determined because of the placement of the Nodes,

Here I'm lost.  Is it because 5th house/Leo/Sun archetype is masculine?


and thus he perception of the power of the Phallus.

This makes sense to me in terms of Leo.


The narcissism in these symbols is determined because of his evolutionary state: a state of ongoing individuated self discovery.
And also because it is Leo in particular, yes?

Yes, he would be unaware of the effects of his narcissism on intimate others in his life. It is through the feedback of such partners that he would then become aware.

 Rad

PS, Thanks so much for your positive feedback on my first effort...
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« Reply #417 on: Mar 03, 2010, 11:27 PM »

Hi Rad,

Before I get started, I want to clarify a contradiction in your reference to planetary aspects. Once this is cleared, I'll post a chart with the appropriate aspects.

statement 1 (reply 384):
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Yes, Uranus and Pluto are sextile the S.Node, trine the North. The Uranus/Pluto conjunction is New. The Venus is inconjunct Uranus, and through extension, Pluto.

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The core issue is symbolized in the Pluto/Uranus conjunction in the 2nd, squaring the 5th House S.Node in Scorpio

Thank you.
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« Reply #418 on: Mar 04, 2010, 10:00 AM »

Hi Dhyana,

Hi Rad,

I am having trouble formulating anything beyond what I already have for this chart. I think there are a couple reasons for this (AND I am hoping you may pick up on any additional  reason(s) I may be stuck, and relay it to me)?

The one reason is becuase I cannot understand how you came to the issue of his bisexuality? Not the masturbation part and the focus on himself and the power of the phalac etc. (bc I re read the Pluto H2 chapter in Pluto Vol 1. and saw that dynamic clearly)  -- But the ASPECTS that show a bisexual tendency (Uranus?)?  What ASPECTS show this and why? I just have no idea what aspects would give you the understanding of the bisexual part (other than Uranus, but what else..how do the other aspects play into it --both the stage of evolution and Venus?).

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Beyond the Uranus conjunction to Pluto, which is the key, there are repeating signatures that correlate to his bisexuality. These symbols are N.Node in Taurus in the 11th House..i.e. a natural Uranus House, and that is ruled by Venus in Aquarius in the 7th, which then forms the inconjunct aspect to his Uranus and Pluto. The Venus of course is also squaring his S.Node in Scorpio, and that N.Node in the 11th. All of these symbols correlate, in the end, to his inner relationship to himself, and thus others. And, on a sexual level, that inner relationship, at it's core, is about the power of the phallus that then correlates to his natural bisexuality, and the intense masturbatory orientation within himself.

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And even more than that, what would be the souls intention for this bisexual-ness -- why would this be useful for this INDIVIDUAL identity from a soul perspective?

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What would be the intention for any Soul being bi-sexual ? As in any possible dynamic within the total range of possibilities of being human there is always reasons for whatever dynamics a Soul is orientated too for it's self knowledge. For most who are naturally bi-sexual this correlates to the totality of self knowledge by experiencing the duality of gender within itself.

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 Is the acknowledgement and honesty about it what the soul longs for or the actual acting out the tendency?

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Both are true. And this is not a  'tendency': it is core dynamic within his Soul structure, identity.

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  You say that the stage of his individuation would mark this (if I understood that accurately) but even after reading the stages over I still cannot figure out how you came to this.  Furthermore, I wonder if this man has any clue about his bisexuality at all or is it the next stage or even next life where he will get an actual hold of this ( in the next stage where this clue would emerge for him or in this one), --Thus I am stuck in going any further with the chart.

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The 1st Stage individuation correlates to beginning to throw off all external conditioning that has nothing to do with who any Soul naturally is as created by God. The clue will come through the feedback that the he receives from other people, and most specifically his intimate other in a female form. This goes right back to one of the reasons that he is emotionally and sexually distant and withholding to such female partners. And that is because of his core bisexual orientation that desires men first. In his intimate relationships with women he will typically receive the message that they need more from him than he is able to give because of this core inner orientation. This will lead, again, to such intimate partners seeking out relationships with others in order to have their own core needs met. This of course will produce the necessary emotional/ psychological shocks to him that will manifest as confrontations with these partners. In the process of these confrontations, the reasons for them, the WHY of it, the awareness of his core sexual identity will occur. This will occur either in the form of inner realization because of the compression within the Soul, S.Node in Scorpio, Pluto/Uranus in the 2nd squaring that Node, the N.Node itself in Taurus, where that compression finally releases the awareness to him, or through the types of conversations with his partner that can also lead to this awareness.

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I did pick up that something about his work will be key, and I am trying to develop that, but I feel too stuck with the other thing to proceed? In otherwords, I think that until I am clearer about the sexuality thing I will not be able to intuit into the work thing bc of any subtle connection that may be inherent in that dynamic.

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There are many, many other dynamics and evolutionary issues in this paradigm to understand beyond the sexual one. You don't need to get stuck here because of this.

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Another reason I cannot seem to go further is bc I a only aware of some of his aspects. Namely the ones you first gave us.  I don't know if others more skilled in EA are able to place all the other aspects respectively based on the initial aspects you gave us -- I simply  am not skilled enough in astrology or EA to figure all those respective placements/aspects (I just use the astro software for that based on birth data, u know?). All I can deduct from the initial info is house placement and ascendant (and even that may be a tiny bit off if this man has anything intercepted?  I also am not even sure if I need to know any of them at this step of the chart analysis? Sorry that these questions are so basic.

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You don't need to know anything else. We are simply analyzing the evolutionary dynamics in the paradigm that has been presented: and nothing more at this point.

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« Reply #419 on: Mar 04, 2010, 10:07 AM »

Hi Ari,

 Venus is squaring the Nodes, inconjunct Pluto/Urnaus, and the Pluto/Uranus is trining the N.Node, sextile the South.


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