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Title: Neptune in Capricorn generation and patriarchal religion
Post by: Kismine on Oct 03, 2019, 10:50 AM
Hi,Rad,

As Neptune in Capricorn generation,we are naturally love scrupulous spiritual system,this is why I love EA,Jeffery has Pluto conjunct Saturn in 9th house,EA is really scrupulous.What is the difference between natural capricorn spiritual system and patriarchal spiritual system?could you demonstrate some examples to clarify them?
If a person merge into patriarchal religion in his/her past lifes,and yes,also merge into the doctrine that flesh and spirit are mutually antagonistic,is it possible that generate Venus skipped step?when he/she wants to establish relationship with the Ultimate Source,there always comes a crisis of worldly relationship,The new evolutionary impulse seems like that they must realign with Natural Law relative to relationship.I am thinking about Jefferey's skipped step,of course,it is not Venus skipped step,what I mean is why he has Moon skipped step?I suppose it is a evolutionary necessity,not karmic reason,could you clear these questions?

Thank you
Kismine


Title: Re: Neptune in Capricorn generation and patriarchal religion
Post by: Rad on Oct 04, 2019, 06:06 AM
Hi Kismine,

"As Neptune in Capricorn generation,we are naturally love scrupulous spiritual system,this is why I love EA,Jeffery has Pluto conjunct Saturn in 9th house,EA is really scrupulous.What is the difference between natural capricorn spiritual system and patriarchal spiritual system?could you demonstrate some examples to clarify them?"

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All patriarchal systems start with the Source Of All Things being male, and all the 'beliefs' that follow from that system no matter what specific cultural context conditions those beliefs. All natural systems are just that: systems defined by Natural Laws: all the laws set in motion at the moment of the manifest Creation. Such systems are in fact naturally simple, and provable, so that no beliefs are necessary at all: beliefs replaced by direct knowing or perception that occurs as the consciousness progressively expands, inwardly, that allows for the knowing/ perception of that Natural Laws set in motion at the moment of the manifest Creation. Natural 'systems' do not require beliefs at all. Such systems start with the Natural Law of breath where the natural inhale and exhale of breath is suspended. Once this occurs the consciousness naturally begins to expand, inwardly, so that the knowing of the Natural Laws can be directly, inwardly, perceived.

There is no 'maleness' to this whatsoever: all forms of life, including human, are naturally equal, male and female, and understood to be naturally inner dependent upon one another.

It does not matter is one has Neptune in Capricorn or any other sign to know this: not believe it.

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"If a person merge into patriarchal religion in his/her past lifes,and yes,also merge into the doctrine that flesh and spirit are mutually antagonistic,is it possible that generate Venus skipped step?"

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Yes.

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"when he/she wants to establish relationship with the Ultimate Source,there always comes a crisis of worldly relationship,The new evolutionary impulse seems like that they must realign with Natural Law relative to relationship.I am thinking about Jefferey's skipped step,of course,it is not Venus skipped step,what I mean is why he has Moon skipped step?I suppose it is a evolutionary necessity,not karmic reason,could you clear these questions?"

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If a Soul is aligned with Natural Laws, including those that allow for the inner expansion of consciousness, there is no 'crisis in relationships'. That sort of thing follows from patriarchal systems and beliefs that create such a conflict based on the very nature of those patriarchal beliefs.

JWG was a natural loner, S.Node in Sag in the 1st house, who needed to share with others that which he was knowing from the inner expansion of  his own consciousness: a Natural Law that applies to all of us.  Thus, his N.Node in Gemini in the 7th. The skipped step symbolized by his Pisces Moon in the 4th correlates, in his context, a resistance to doing so that had been building from recent prior lives. Part of that resistance was based on his core alienation from all humans who were not living naturally creating a progressive retreat from such humans. So the skipped step within this manifested as recent lives of integrating into the very world in which he was alienated from, and doing what he could to share with others what was being realized from within relative to the inner expansion of the consciousness within him.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: Neptune in Capricorn generation and patriarchal religion
Post by: Kismine on Oct 04, 2019, 11:27 PM
Hi,Rad,

Very clear,always appreciate your wisdom.my further question is how to naturally spiritualize our life ,not patriarchal way,for Neptune in Capricorn,or Neptune 10th house,Saturn in 12th house,ect.?

About Venus skipped step correlating to Patriarchal religion,I find some info from old message board.
Here is Jeffrey's Interpretation of Kriyananda's skipped step:

The example you site is not Yogananda,it is the chart of one of his main disciples:Kriyananda.In this case the solution for Venus,squaring the nodal axis,the south node last forming the conjunction to that Venus,is that S.node whereas the solution for the S.node itself is the N.node via the Pluto conjunction to it.In his actual reality it is just the way it played out,in the first part of his life he was a totally dedicated celibate monk,alone:Pluto on the N.node who finally established his own spiritual community,N.node conjunct Pluto squaring his 11th house,Venus in Aries,a community that he put together totally on his own,and as this community developed over the years he became aware that he needed to be in a spiritual relationship so as to show others an example of two people who were married in the context of a spiritual life:the S.node being in Capricorn in the 7th created the "delay" in this awareness compounded by the resistance of the planetary ruler of that South Node,Saturn in Scopio in the 5th.He was well into his fifties before he "opened" up the need to complete his own "skipped steps",but he then did get married,so in essence he got married after establishing himself and his lifestyle,plus the community,and when this was in place……this all refering to the early part of his life,Pluto/N.node conjunction in cancer in the 1st squaring that  Aries Venus in the 11th house,only then did he then orientate his consciousness to relationship,Venus squaring that S.node in Capricorn in the 7th,yet in the context of his existing life within the community,so the relationship then existed in that context……Jeffrey.

Here is another info about Kriyananda's skipped step:


take the case of Kriyananda. Out in California there is a community called Ananda, which was started by one of the disciples of Yogananda, a guy named Kriyananda, who was legally charged and convicted of various sexual abuses and manipulations to his own female disciples. (Neptune: Its Archetypal Role and Meaning in the Horoscope,http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,639.0.html )


I also find the birth chart of Elizabeth Barrett Browning,she has Moon and Venus skipped steps.Interesting,her Nodal Axis is double Cancer/Capricorn and the ruler of S.node is Moon in Libra (learning emotional balance) squaring Nodal Axis,resolution node is SN.Before the age of 39,she is totally alone and living with her father.but after falling in love with Robert Browning,she left her sick bed,their love is a magic that transformed Elizabeth from the captive of sick health and her father,they finally married and made their own home:NN is in 4th Capricorn,and NN is the resolution Node of Venus skipped step.I am quite interesting to Elizabeth's magical recovery ,it is really a magic of love?could you shed some light of the question?

The birth chart of Elizabeth Barrett Browning:
https://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?wgid=wgeJxtj80KwjAQhJ9GUFgh2z-qIZdi6aHoTTxvbWyLSSppSqhPbwM9ehl2h4_dGT-8BxHxTgtCblpR2NGbwXRQquFLjXT9LmIFWSudgxdkEAPmLAM8nRkDjT7KMYeOFDCopVKjXPn9ZbY96QOUtyqs9_oAG5kmJokxhTmcwSAMGKe2MaSl-PM0TFumgLXkpMhW80r2GbCQhjdu-awttOsFOc_7aRFH5HYS-Kh-Q-REpA


Thank you so much
Kismine


Title: Re: Neptune in Capricorn generation and patriarchal religion
Post by: Rad on Oct 06, 2019, 05:40 AM
Hi Kismine,

All natural ways start with natural law of the breath that allows for the inner expansion of consciousness. There are other ways like Laya Yoga, repetitive forms of chant, union in different ways with nature such as plants and animals in which the consciousness of all or each fuse with one another that allow for consciousness to expand as well but, in the end, it comes down to suspension of the breath. Picking out one symbol  in the birth chart, i.e. Saturn in the 12th, Neptune in Cap, etc does not the issue because, for all Souls, it comes down to these simple natural ways. Vehicles like painting, certain forms of dance, music, etc, can all serve as aides in expanding consciousness. It is the suspension of the breath that allows for direct inner perception of the inner cosmos through the 3rd of inner eye.

I do know of the women you are asking about.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: Neptune in Capricorn generation and patriarchal religion
Post by: Kismine on Oct 06, 2019, 11:21 PM
Rad,thanks for clarifing my question.


Title: Re: Neptune in Capricorn generation and patriarchal religion
Post by: Kismine on Oct 09, 2019, 10:00 PM
Hi,Rad

I find these interesting info from old mb:

Patriarchy/Matriarchy,Tuesday 3-oct-2000  00:20:16

Hello,Jeffrey,I'd just like to know what do mean by the name “ascended master”is a patriarchal term?isn't astrology patriarchal?and isn't the centers for self-realization sponsoring the teachings of Yogananda patriarchal in essence?I noticed in the chapel at the Ananda center here in Seattle that there are huge pictures of all the male yogis and Jesus in the center stage while there is a tiny and very humble pristine virginal white statue of the blessed mother off alone in the corner?Gee I wonder who sponsors their Feng Shui!! tend to think it might be a man or perhaps some well-trained women!Heads bowed et al*smile*I would love to hear the answer to this??I think any red-blooded woman would!

Re:Yes,its a patriarchal term,it should be obvious relative to the words themselves:ascended.In natural law there is no ascension to anywhere,their is a progressive Union with the totality of the Creation,and this Union can create the perception of ascention but in fact what is occurring is expansion relative to the ongoing Union.
No,Astrology is not patriarchal by nature,it is simply a nature science based on correpondences correlation and observation.when applied thru the overlay of patriarchal condition it can certainly be perceived as patriarchal because of the conditional nature of the patriarchal observer,but in essence it is not,one could write a whole book that presented astrological correlations from the patriarchal perspective versus natural law.
Yes,srf is patriarchal,yes,Yogananda played the role it was destined to play in the context of patriarchal times,but he himself is not limited nor inwardly defined at a soul level by the patriarchy,simply playing the role he was asked to play by God'ess,no different than Jesus,Buddha,Lao-Tze,etc.
Ananda is a reflection of Yogananda's teaching thus they are patriarchal,this is why the statue of Angel Mary is where it is……Jeffrey

I always wonder how many difference between Yogananda's teaching and Jeffrey's,these info make good sense to me.But where is his teaching coming from,especially in our patriarchal times?is it simply basing on his astrology profession,observation and correlation?yes,he born in a rapidly changing world:Vietnam War,Sexual Revolution,Feminism,and so on.but how many people grew up in that time becoming New Age?is his destiny to play the role of teaching natural law thru astrology?

Thank you
Kismine


Title: Re: Neptune in Capricorn generation and patriarchal religion
Post by: Rad on Oct 10, 2019, 04:30 AM
Hi Kismine,

“A child is born on that day and at that hour when the celestial rays are in mathematical harmony with his or her individual karma. The resulting horoscope is a challenging portrait revealing his or her unalterable past, and its probable future result. But the natal chart can be Rightly interpreted only by women and men of intuitive wisdom: these are few.”   SRI YUKTESWAR

JWG received a dream that is the essence of EA as reflected in the statement by Yukteswar. That is what he set out to do, and did.

It is no more complicated than that.

The focus of this mb is EA, not JWG, so please try to limit whatever questions you have to EA itself.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: Neptune in Capricorn generation and patriarchal religion
Post by: Kismine on Oct 10, 2019, 09:44 AM
Hi,Rad

I see.

Sorry
Kismine