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Title: 1 2 meditation
Post by: ari moshe on Feb 11, 2010, 06:29 PM
I am deeply grateful for Jeffrey Wolf Green's devotion and spiritual teaching.

I have a question about the meditation- on the clip just added: http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/school/how-to-know-god
(I really recommend this clip), JWG says the key for the practice is to focus on the "1, 2" and not the breath. He says the key is concentration.

I've been doing this meditation by just focusing my awareness of the sensation of inhale and exhale. Is there a difference between awareness concentrated on two numbers (or a two word mantra) as opposed to on the breath itself? Thank you.


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Feb 12, 2010, 11:26 AM
Ari,

 If you just focus on the breath, the inhale and exhale, then you are remaining within the world of cause and affect, the world of duality that the inhale and exhale symbolize. To concentrate and focus on the one/ two is to create a third point, trinity, within the consciousness that allows for the breath to progressively shallow and then suspend itself. Without that concentration of the one/two this transcendence from the world of duality can not occur. To suspend the breath leads to the direct inner perception of the inner eye, the third eye: the third point, the trinity, linked to the two external eyes. Once this perception begins it will deepen over time and the Soul, by birth right, will remember how to unite with it, penetrate it. Once this begins the varying degrees or levels of cosmic consciousness begins.

 Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 11, 2010, 10:55 PM
Hi Rad,

I recognize I'm posting a lot right now, so I have no expectations that you'll get to any of this.

I've hesitated from asking too many questions about this meditation because the inner answer I always get is "stop seeking- meditate and find out for yourself". However these questions keep coming up, so I will ask them. And perhaps this will be beneficial for others.

1. Could the same results occur if one puts their focus on something else besides the 1/2? Such as focusing on body sensation, focusing the auditory senses on a particular sound, or on a singular thought/idea?

2. Before I learned about this meditation, I had experienced the suspension of breath in meditation. It happened a number of times when I was practicing "A Course in Miracles". There was a period of time in which I was required to meditate for 5 minutes every hour of the waking day. During meditation I was to focus on a particular affirmation/truth to focus on during meditation (each day a different one) such as:
"I am sustained by the Love of God", or "Miracles are seen in light", or "I am as God created me" etc...

What would sometimes happen is I would connect with the phrase, and penetrate into it. My mind would remain sustained in the energy/truth of the phrase, and while that was happening, my breath would shallow, on a couple occasions actually ceased (until my mind got in the way), but for the most part the need to breath was minimal- and i even recall noticing that inhalation and exhalation became a distraction from the unity I was experiencing.

Is there any difference between that and the 1/2 meditation?

Thank you so much.
 


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Apr 12, 2010, 10:55 AM
Ari,
 
 The 'secret' in meditation, like the 1/2, is CONCENTRATION. As one concentrates on the 1/2, inhale and exhale, and not the breath itself, then the concentration will lead to the progressive shallowing and suspension of the breath. In the other examples you used you can see that it was the concentration that lead to the very temporary suspension that you experienced. But those other things do just that: very temporary at best that do create a sense of the consciousness being expanded in some way. But this is very different that actually suspending the breath for a length of time beyond a few seconds here and there. Thus, the 1/2 and/ or any other meditation method that reduces all word possibilities to two words: i.e. hong and sau.

Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: jana on Apr 12, 2010, 03:41 PM
Ari,
...To suspend the breath leads to the direct inner perception of the inner eye, the third eye: the third point, the trinity, linked to the two external eyes. Once this perception begins it will deepen over time and the Soul, by birth right, will remember how to unite with it, penetrate it.
 Rad

Does the inner eye correspond to a structure in the brain?


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 12, 2010, 06:10 PM
Hi Rad,
Before I continue to post on this thread I want to ask if further questioning is invited. I recognize that this topic isn't directly related to ea, and I want to honor your time.

Thank you,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Apr 13, 2010, 10:37 AM
Hi Jana,
 No, not in the sense that we could open up the brain and find a physical tissue called the third eye like we could find dendrites for example. The nature of the third eye is ENERGY. Just as consciousness in energy. We can't open up the brain and find consciousness either. It is energy. We can't open up the body and find feelings or emotions either. They are energy. Yet we know we have feelings, emotions, and consciousness by the sheer fact of being alive in human form. With the breath shallows and is still the energy of the third eye is then perceived by consciousness, the Soul.

Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Apr 13, 2010, 10:42 AM
Hi Ari,
 
 Sure it's ok to ask more about this ................

Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: jana on Apr 14, 2010, 03:44 PM
Hi Jana,
 No, not in the sense that we could open up the brain and find a physical tissue called the third eye like we could find dendrites for example. The nature of the third eye is ENERGY. Just as consciousness in energy. We can't open up the brain and find consciousness either. It is energy. We can't open up the body and find feelings or emotions either. They are energy. Yet we know we have feelings, emotions, and consciousness by the sheer fact of being alive in human form. With the breath shallows and is still the energy of the third eye is then perceived by consciousness, the Soul.

Rad

Thanks Rad,

I was thinking possibly the pineal gland. I remember reading something (not here) about that getting activated in meditation. Peace :)


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Apr 15, 2010, 07:48 AM
HI Jana,

 The pineal gland becomes increasingly stimulated as the breath begins to shallow. As it does so the pineal begins to generate higher levels of melatonin within the brain. Melatonin is very much part of the physiology, chemistry, within the brain that correlates with transcendent states of consciousness linked with the inner perception of the third eye. But it is not the third eye in and of itself.

Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 19, 2010, 07:00 PM
Hi Rad,

Thank you again for this opportunity. The questions on this post are about the astrological/scientific aspects of practice.

1. In reference to your last post to Jana, do you (or anyone) have any medical/scientific/yogic etc references that would help clarify the phenomena you speak of: "The pineal gland becomes stimulated as breath begins to shallow".

2. You have said in the "channeling" thread that the visuals of the though complexes of the brain are Neptune, Pluto and Moon- the Soul/God/Identity trinity. How do those archetypes relate to the transcendent states of consciousness that naturally unfold? Is the answer that the soul (Pluto) merges itself with the Truth (Neptune) when the identification with an ego that is separate (moon) is stilled (sustaining of breath). Thus moving the soul's center of gravity from ego to Source- symbolizing the natural, symbiosis of the water trinity.

Likewise, gravity is Saturn- would you say that in order for this practice to be achieved, a soul has to have reached a point in their evolution in which it no longer neglecting to take responsibility for it's own karma? As otherwise, the soul's center of gravity will be in ego- constantly being drawn back into the world of duality in order to resolve certain things...

3. This leads me to the next questions. Is it possible for the sustained suspension of breath, and the consequent unfolding of transcendent states of consciousness, to be achieved by anyone of any evolutionary state? Or only possible at end of first stage spiritual? My hunch, if I'm understanding things correctly, is the latter.

4. Is this practice more appropriate for some souls more than others (ie specifically those that have a synthesis of the Pisces/Moon/Pluto archetypes?)

Thank you.
Ari


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 19, 2010, 07:25 PM
Hi Rad,

These questions are specifically about the practice itself.

1. I noticed that when I focus on the sau hong (or 1/2) each word lasts as long as the breath (ie I focus on "sau" during the inhale- and "hong" during the exhale). Is the recommendation to do it like that, or to focus on the two words independent of the rhythm of the breath?

2. Why two words instead of one?

3. What is the difference between a meditation practice that is just about "being with What Is" (which is A LOT) and the 1/2 meditation?
To explain: Many spiritual teachers (ie adyashanti) recommend the practice just being with what is. Being with what is- just the practice of awareness itself. Sitting and being aware of whatever arises. Watching it all. Wouldn't that eventually lead to the same states of samadhi?

Thank you.
Ari



Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Lucius on Apr 19, 2010, 08:25 PM
It does seem like 'being with what is' is rather different than the 1/2 of clearing the mind of associations/distractions via the act of focusing on the one and the two....

I'm interested in melatonin, too.  A good friend of mine did research with melatonin, he was expecting to encounter the results Rad speaks of but was disappointed with the results.  He, after some guidance, switched his research to DMT and found what he was looking for in terms of a 'physical' natural, ubiquitous substance, i.e., endongenous, for such experiences.  Anyway, I'm interested, too, in what Rad says.

Also, interested, as well in the meditation and evolutionary states.  My impression from Wolf, and in general, is that it is natural - not dependent on e.states or any other condition  i.e., a natural truth, natural law for humans in this realm......assuming that's right...?


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Apr 20, 2010, 02:17 PM
HI Ari,

Hi Rad,

Thank you again for this opportunity. The questions on this post are about the astrological/scientific aspects of practice.

1. In reference to your last post to Jana, do you (or anyone) have any medical/scientific/yogic etc references that would help clarify the phenomena you speak of: "The pineal gland becomes stimulated as breath begins to shallow".

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You can read about the nature of the pineal gland in many places. But it is not just the pineal that secrets various physiologic substances when the breath begins to shallow and then suspends itself. The hypothalamus, the pituitary, the entire limbic system deep in the brain, etc all become activated and, in turn and in combination, secret various physiologic substances that correlate to the perception of the 3rd eye.

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2. You have said in the "channeling" thread that the visuals of the though complexes of the brain are Neptune, Pluto and Moon- the Soul/God/Identity trinity. How do those archetypes relate to the transcendent states of consciousness that naturally unfold? Is the answer that the soul (Pluto) merges itself with the Truth (Neptune) when the identification with an ego that is separate (moon) is stilled (sustaining of breath). Thus moving the soul's center of gravity from ego to Source- symbolizing the natural, symbiosis of the water trinity.

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Yes..............

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Likewise, gravity is Saturn- would you say that in order for this practice to be achieved, a soul has to have reached a point in their evolution in which it no longer neglecting to take responsibility for it's own karma? As otherwise, the soul's center of gravity will be in ego- constantly being drawn back into the world of duality in order to resolve certain things...

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You need to restate this somehow ........

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3. This leads me to the next questions. Is it possible for the sustained suspension of breath, and the consequent unfolding of transcendent states of consciousness, to be achieved by anyone of any evolutionary state? Or only possible at end of first stage spiritual? My hunch, if I'm understanding things correctly, is the latter.

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It can occur to any Soul who so desires to return back to it's origin: the Creator. It is 'hard wired' into the brain. It only takes desire to do so.


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4. Is this practice more appropriate for some souls more than others (ie specifically those that have a synthesis of the Pisces/Moon/Pluto archetypes?)

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It is appropriate for all Souls because it is the way back HOME for all Souls. And the Creator is the origin of that way, just as it is the origin of all Souls.

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Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Apr 20, 2010, 02:24 PM
Ari

Hi Rad,

These questions are specifically about the practice itself.

1. I noticed that when I focus on the sau hong (or 1/2) each word lasts as long as the breath (ie I focus on "sau" during the inhale- and "hong" during the exhale). Is the recommendation to do it like that, or to focus on the two words independent of the rhythm of the breath?

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It is to focus, concentrate with the will, upon the words themselves. In time this concentration will naturally lead to a shallowing and then suspension of the breath. As that begins the Soul does not even notice the breath anymore as it begins to shallow, and then stop.

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2. Why two words instead of one?

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Because the two words correlate with the natural law of breathing, inhale and exhale, and the world of duality itself.

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3. What is the difference between a meditation practice that is just about "being with What Is" (which is A LOT) and the 1/2 meditation?
To explain: Many spiritual teachers (ie adyashanti) recommend the practice just being with what is. Being with what is- just the practice of awareness itself. Sitting and being aware of whatever arises. Watching it all. Wouldn't that eventually lead to the same states of samadhi?

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No, because in such a state the Soull is still breathing, and thus caught up in the world of duality.




Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Apr 20, 2010, 02:27 PM
Hi Lucius,

 "Also, interested, as well in the meditation and evolutionary states.  My impression from Wolf, and in general, is that it is natural - not dependent on e.states or any other condition  i.e., a natural truth, natural law for humans in this realm......assuming that's right...?"

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 Yes, this is right ......................

Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 20, 2010, 07:34 PM
Hi Rad,

Quote
It can occur to any Soul who so desires to return back to it's origin: the Creator. It is 'hard wired' into the brain. It only takes desire to do so.

Doesn't that desire only manifest in the spiritual state of evolution? I still don't understand how it's possible that a soul in the consensus state could achieve this.


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Lucius on Apr 21, 2010, 08:39 AM
  The consensus generally does not question the norms, morality, etc. of the culture they are born into and they generally have a more 'immediate' consciousness, ie, egotistic, not necessarily narcissitic or selfish, merely they are not aware life to life of their soul identity - so, if they existed in a society that taught this then I'd assume they'd do it and experience what is inherently true with regard to the meditation...?

The soul is a manifestation of Spirit and if the 1 2 meditation is a natural law it exists inherently regardless of evolutionary state.  I suppose the key word is 'desire'.  I would imagine if we had a culture wherein this meditation was taught & it was part of the 'consensus' you might have them experiencing this.  This wouldn't change their evolutionary state however.  There are, even now, indigenous cultures that use natural techniques that the entire tribe participates in & they all have sacred experiences.  I think we're just so adapted, accustomed to a consensus reality that is truly sick.  Although, the key may indeed be the consensus reality would teach this because if it weren't then these people would not seek it out - and if it's not part of their 'conditioning' and especially in our kind of society with the judeo-christian obsession with other people's experiences thousands of years ago, these people would think you're not just crazy but blasphemous and a danger to society....so, no, I don't think it would be consciously sought - but, if it were part of their conditioning they'd experience it and not question it...anyway, I'm thinking out loud here!

This touches on something my analytical brain trips on - the soul is consensus relative to these realities...but, the soul in it's 'entirety' seems whole.  You know, I"m not going to try to explain what I don't get because it doesn't make sense!  Let's just say there seems to be a paradox there....and no doubt my teensy human brain isn't up to the task!   :)


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Apr 21, 2010, 11:15 AM
Lucius and Ari,

 The root issue here is two fold: desire, and evolutionary conditions. God is indeed, or the Creator, is indeed the origin of all things. Since it is the origin of the Soul that means the Soul's ultimat home is in it's Creator. Thus, there naturally exists a way back to that home which is no different that leaving where one currently lives, a house, street, city, state, and then coming back to that home via the relevant highways, streets, etc. So, in the same way, there exists an inner structure or map within consciousness that can bring the Soul back home to it's Origin. And that natural way is what the one and two, or any combination of two words, is about. The very nature of the natural map thus correlates with the apparent world of duality that was set in motion by the Creator while, at the same time, correlates to non-duality: timelessness. This map is thus reflected in the two physical eyes, duality, and, at the same time, the 'third eye' within that is perceived when the breath is shallowed and finally suspended. When this occurs the interfacing to time and timelessness occurs. The world of duality and non-duality is simultaneously perceived. This interfacing of the third eye with the two physical eyes is the basis of the natural law of the trinity. And it is through the third eye that the way Home is perceived and understood.

God is the origin of this natural law that EXISTS IN ALL FORMS OF CONSCIOUSNESS. It is a natural birthright because all things emanate from the Source, God. As such this natural way home exists for all. It only takes an active desire to go Home to ignite this natural inner map to go back to our Creator. And that is then the basis of evolution, and the natural evolutionary states for any given Soul/ consciousness. Desire itself is the determinant of the evolution of the consciousness within any Soul that corresponds, in the end, to the degree of SELF AWARENESS within any Soul. So even though the Soul 'is complete' from the moment that it is created by the Creator it takes a great amount of time, lifetimes, for the Soul to become self aware of that fact.

So, in potential, it is then possible for any Soul to access this natural inner map that takes the Soul back Home. Again, it is the Soul's birthright because the Soul has been created by the Creator. But it does require active and sustained desire. This natural fact, truth, was, indeed, the vary basis of the enlightenment of the great Buddha under the Bodhi tree. So even though this potential exists for all Souls that potential is only actively desired as a Soul evolves through the duality of time and space manifesting as many, many lifetimes. This is that which then correlates to the Soul progressively exhausting all the separating desires that keep that inner map back Home is the shadows of our consciousness. And it is those shadows that correlate for some many to simply an inner darkness when the two physical eyes are closed. Yet, as those separating desires are exhausted, the Soul finally will desire to go back Home. As it does so it then aligns itself with the different paths that lead to that Home. That then becomes the basis of all the various religions and philosophies that have been created. Yet the distillation of all of those comes down to one simple, natural, truth: the secret of the breath. And that secret requires no beliefs at all. It only requires a desire to know that secret. And when that desire to know that secret becomes realized then THE WAY BACK HOME IS REVEALED WITHIN THE INTERIOR OF ONE'S CONSCIOUSNESS. Where there was once darkness, there is now LIGHT. And as that Light becomes ever brighter THE WAY, THE INNER MAP, BACK HOME IS REVEALED. As Jesus taught: 'when one's eye is single, one's whole body is full of light'. The inherent 'completness' of the Soul is then realized.


God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Lucius on Apr 22, 2010, 07:38 AM
Thanks Rad, very helpful!


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 22, 2010, 07:56 PM
Dear Rad,

Those words feel like a prayer to me. Thank you.

Ari


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: ari moshe on May 01, 2010, 08:59 PM
Dear Rad, I found a video online from swami Kriyananda discussing this meditaiton. He seemed to recommend that one focuses on the third eye itself.

Here's the video for those that are interested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFX6eJ_w3rQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFX6eJ_w3rQ)


I asked him for clarification:

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arimoshe:
Dear Swami Kriyananda, do you recommend that I concentrate on the sensation of breath at the third eye, or concentrate on the inner recitation of "hong sau"- which itself seems to resonate at the third eye? God Bless

AnandaWorldwide (swami Kriyananda):
With the eyes closed, turn your gaze upward to the point midway between the eyebrows within your forehead. Concentrate there. In time, try to feel the flow of the breath near the spiritual eye within your forehead.

I'm not trying to create complications here- Simply, I have not yet found the understanding within myself. It seems he is saying to focus on the sensation of the third eye. Would you mind speaking to the perceived difference between what you are teaching and what swami Kriyananda is teaching. I imagine the difference is most likely my lack of comprehension. Thank you.
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on May 02, 2010, 09:20 AM
Hi Ari,

 There is no difference at all. It is because you have not actually experienced the truth of this simple, natural,  method that is the underlying problem. As one concentrates of the hong-sau linked with the inhaling, exhaling breath progressively the third eye will become perceived. One almost anyone first tries this natural method all's they see withn themself is darkness, not the third eye itself. Most will feel a energy complex/vortex where the third eye inherently is without actually seeing or perceiving it. Thus, to concentrate upon the hong-sau relative the the breath will progressively allow this perception to occur. As one begine to preceive it, concentrate upon it, is in direct proportion to the breath naturally shallowing and, finally, suspending itself. At that point the Soul remembers, by birthright, how to merge with it. To merge with it means the move into it: consciousness expanding within as this merging occurs. From there the various levels of 'comic consciousness' occurs.

Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Tamara on May 02, 2010, 02:18 PM
Hello. I've done TM over the years, which does not for me have a two-word mantra. I think my breath becomes shallow and I do occasionally lose track of it doing TM. At this point it feels much harder with the hong/sau meditation (maybe because I haven't done it as much). I know I've got my own personal issues with breath - I think I've had some suffocation PL experiences. The breathing exercises were always the hardest for me in yoga classes - I'd feel my heart beating and that panicky feeling would come. I am endeavoring to just be patient and gentle with myself, give it time and not worry about achievement.  I guess I could say, 'I desire to heal all that stands between me and knowing God," and let it unfold. I guess I'm hoping for some validation if anything I'm saying resonates, or an adjustment if I'm off somewhere.

I know I've done enough blocking my own way home this lifetime, but I do get frustrated at different meditation philosophies that seem to argue theirs has the way and it's better than "that" way.  I know the TM group is very big on not "trying" to meditate, letting thoughts come, etc. At the same time, I deeply appreciate JWG's experiences and really just want to do what works, without skipping and jumping around in methods too much (unless for my sake it's best). Thanks for having this forum. I'm glad I can ask these questions!


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: adina on May 03, 2010, 09:01 AM
Hi Tamara,

I learned TM back in the mid '70s and practiced it for a couple of years, tops. In 1998 I started the lessons from Self-Realization fellowship, which led to the hong sau method, etc., which is similar to the one, two meditation taught by Jeffrey. The one-two is totally independent of any belief system or cultural background, etc.

The most I ever got out of TM was being more relaxed. At the time I learned it, that was one of the biggest benefits touted - relaxation, stress reduction. Maybe that has changed now. I also found out MUCH later that the mantras they claim are SO personalized and absolutely SECRET are actually given out according to age and gender, and those even changed over the years. You can find a brief article and a table of the mantras here: http://minet.org/mantras.html

The hong sau comes down thru Eastern-based traditions, like those taught by Yogananda, and yet, as far as I'm concerned you don't have to have any background in the Eastern ways to benefit from the hong sau. And the intent and definition of meditation in these traditions is "concentration to know God," just as the 1-2 meditation taught by Jeffrey. I think your own assessment of your difficulty is probably correct and that with practice, you will get the hang of it. I think your understanding of what you're experiencing and feeling in relation TO your difficulties at this time is spot on, as is your way of dealing with it, i.e., your desire to heal all that stands between you and God and then just letting it unfold... letting it BE. I think that's a difficulty for many as they start meditating in these ways.... expections of what will happen. I remember years ago in one of my own readings with Jeffrey, in talking about the nature of expectations, he said, "That's one of the biggest hurdles in spiritual life - expectations."  So hang in there, Tamara. With sincere and consistent effort, you'll get there!

God Bless, Adina




Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Tamara on May 03, 2010, 08:13 PM
Thank you, Adina. I feel like I have good timing and support now to consistently work with this mantra here.

I appreciate your words and encouragement so much. Warm blessings!


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: adina on May 03, 2010, 09:49 PM
You're welcome, Tamara, and it's SO nice to "see" you again!  Glad you found your way to our Message Board and hope you'll make yourself at home here!

God bless,
Adina


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: stephen on May 23, 2010, 09:50 AM

Hi Rad,

  I have been doing this method for only a few days now and yet some questions come up for me during the practice, and I was hoping you could provide clarity...?

Quote from: Ari
...I focus on the sau hong (or 1/2) each word lasts as long as the breath (ie I focus on "sau" during the inhale- and "hong" during the exhale)

Q1: In working with this method, for me, 'hong' seems to naturally fit the inhale and 'sau' seems to naturally fit the exhale.
        Is either one applicable...just personal preference?   (Which leads to the next question...)

Quote from: Rad
The 'secret' in meditation, like the 1/2, is CONCENTRATION.
Thus, the 1/2 and/or any other meditation method that reduces all word possibilities to two words: i.e. hong and sau.

Q2:  As per the above quotes, can any two words be used?  I have been trying other words/sounds, and am finding the inhale='NA' and the exhale='MU' to resonate with me.  (JWG mentioned the original name of the Goddess was NAMU, so it seemed appropriate.)
  However, I desire to perform the breath method correctly rather than think I'm clever while doing it incorrectly, so please let me know...?

Quote from: Rad
The pineal gland becomes increasingly stimulated as the breath begins to shallow. As it does so the pineal begins to generate higher levels of melatonin within the brain. Melatonin is very much part of the physiology, chemistry, within the brain that correlates with transcendent states of consciousness linked with the inner perception of the third eye.

...it is not just the pineal that secrets various physiologic substances when the breath begins to shallow and then suspends itself. The hypothalamus, the pituitary, the entire limbic system deep in the brain, etc all become activated and, in turn and in combination, secret various physiologic substances that correlate to the perception of the 3rd eye.

Q3: Would it be helpful or harmful or just plain useless (or trying to take a shortcut without patience) to take Melatonin supplements as per the statement above?  I know some people who take such supplements as a sleep agent.

Quote from: Rad
Where there was once darkness, there is now LIGHT.

Q4: I am seeing either diffuse deep-purple light, scattered and scattering everywhere, like raindrops on a skylight...or, more often, a blue orb which is absolute purest blue  (when I am not thinking...which pulls/shrinks me quickly away).  But this is what I have usually seen in the past when I have meditated, so it could be hallucination/imagination/not God'dess.  Would the LIGHT have a certain color/texture/feel...?

Quote from: Adina
I remember years ago in one of my own readings with Jeffrey, in talking about the nature of expectations, he said, "That's one of the biggest hurdles in spiritual life - expectations."

Q5:  I don't feel like I really care how long this would take (either daily or years-wise)...I am just making the change as a 'life-style change' as they say and then will just proceed from there.  However, since this process will require an earlier alarm-clock setting, I want to honor a possible daily optimal time in the morning (for the before-work time).  Is thirty minutes a valid time period...or should I plan on 45min...1hour...?  Start at 15min and gradually move up...?

  This help is invaluable, Rad, thanks very much.

Blessings,
Stephen



Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on May 24, 2010, 09:23 AM
Hi Stephen,


Hi Rad,

  I have been doing this method for only a few days now and yet some questions come up for me during the practice, and I was hoping you could provide clarity...?

Quote from: Ari
...I focus on the sau hong (or 1/2) each word lasts as long as the breath (ie I focus on "sau" during the inhale- and "hong" during the exhale)

Q1: In working with this method, for me, 'hong' seems to naturally fit the inhale and 'sau' seems to naturally fit the exhale.
        Is either one applicable...just personal preference?   (Which leads to the next question...)

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Either way if fine. These words translate into English as I am That ...... so it then either becomes That I am , or I am That ........where That correlates with God/ess.

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Quote from: Rad
The 'secret' in meditation, like the 1/2, is CONCENTRATION.
Thus, the 1/2 and/or any other meditation method that reduces all word possibilities to two words: i.e. hong and sau.

Q2:  As per the above quotes, can any two words be used?  I have been trying other words/sounds, and am finding the inhale='NA' and the exhale='MU' to resonate with me.  (JWG mentioned the original name of the Goddess was NAMU, so it seemed appropriate.)
  However, I desire to perform the breath method correctly rather than think I'm clever while doing it incorrectly, so please let me know...?

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Any two words can be used but obviously it's best to use that have natural correlations with the inner God/ess Head. NA ......MU ... would be words of that nature so they would be fine.

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The pineal gland becomes increasingly stimulated as the breath begins to shallow. As it does so the pineal begins to generate higher levels of melatonin within the brain. Melatonin is very much part of the physiology, chemistry, within the brain that correlates with transcendent states of consciousness linked with the inner perception of the third eye.

...it is not just the pineal that secrets various physiologic substances when the breath begins to shallow and then suspends itself. The hypothalamus, the pituitary, the entire limbic system deep in the brain, etc all become activated and, in turn and in combination, secret various physiologic substances that correlate to the perception of the 3rd eye.

Q3: Would it be helpful or harmful or just plain useless (or trying to take a shortcut without patience) to take Melatonin supplements as per the statement above?  I know some people who take such supplements as a sleep agent.

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If you took that melatonin you would actually go to sleep ! So, no ...............

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Where there was once darkness, there is now LIGHT.

Q4: I am seeing either diffuse deep-purple light, scattered and scattering everywhere, like raindrops on a skylight...or, more often, a blue orb which is absolute purest blue  (when I am not thinking...which pulls/shrinks me quickly away).  But this is what I have usually seen in the past when I have meditated, so it could be hallucination/imagination/not God'dess.  Would the LIGHT have a certain color/texture/feel...?

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Yes, the preliminary lights that most see before the appearance of the 3rd Eye begins is this mixture of purple/ gold/ blue/ white is a variety of patterns within. This will evolve into the initial perception of the 3rd eye. One of the colors that correlates with 3rd eye is the very blue that you are mentioning here. The other main color is gold that surrounds this blue in a sphere like fashion. Then, progressively, you will perceive the center of this which  manifests as a five pointed white star.

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I remember years ago in one of my own readings with Jeffrey, in talking about the nature of expectations, he said, "That's one of the biggest hurdles in spiritual life - expectations."

Q5:  I don't feel like I really care how long this would take (either daily or years-wise)...I am just making the change as a 'life-style change' as they say and then will just proceed from there.  However, since this process will require an earlier alarm-clock setting, I want to honor a possible daily optimal time in the morning (for the before-work time).  Is thirty minutes a valid time period...or should I plan on 45min...1hour...?  Start at 15min and gradually move up...?

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All depends on you ability to concentrate on the two words. As a general 'rule' it's best to allow at least 45 minutes in the beginning so that the consciousness can settle within this concentration.

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  This help is invaluable, Rad, thanks very much.

Blessings,
Stephen



God Bless,

Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: ari moshe on May 24, 2010, 10:04 PM
Dear Rad,

I recently came to realize that for my entire life I have resisted allowing myself to simply be a beginner, to "not know".  Now I really accept that I am a beginner. I feel a deep gratitude and excitement in that acceptance.

I wish to ask a question about where/how I can receive the support of a teacher, or ashram type institution- to immerse myself in developing the skill and discipline for this practice. This is not something I know how to develop on my own: true, sustained discipline. I want that so badly.

I desire God, above all else- and yet I know that my separating desires are strong. I don't feel strong enough to do this on my own.

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Now I have some more fundamentals questions.

1. Is it recommended to sit with a straight back?

2. You recommended 45 minutes min to start with. Would you recommend as well any particular times of the day?

With Love and Gratitude,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: stephen on May 25, 2010, 06:49 AM

  Thank you very much Rad for those answers.

  Two other questions came up for me, and I would be thankful for any further clarity.

Q1:  Do I actually point my eyes upward into my head, 'looking' into the direction of the 3rd eye?  Or, is it simply to place my awareness into that point/area?  And, let my eyes do whatever they naturally want to do?

Q2:  In breathing, I was taught long ago what was called the 'Natural Breath' or the 'Full Breath.'  This method is to gently fill first the lower third, then the middle third, then the upper third of the lungs on the inhale, and rest in silence, then empty the upper third, the middle third and the bottom third on the exhale, and rest in silence.  The inhale and the exhale are driven by the body naturally...when the body wants the air or wants to expel the air, it will do it in its own timing.  It seems to be a Trinity of Breath, so to speak.  Is this method of filling/emptying the lungs applicable for this practice?  Or, is there an optimal/suggested method?

Blessings,
Stephen


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: stephen on May 25, 2010, 06:50 AM

Hi Ari,

  I realize your post was to Rad, but I felt some comments within, so...

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Now I really accept that I am a beginner.

  I myself have recently come deeply to that understanding, as well...and so it is a 'Time of Discard' for me...a 'Time of Involution' before continuing with my evolution...or, actually, as the continuation of my own evolution.

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This is not something I know how to develop on my own: true, sustained discipline. I want that so badly.

  The following is absolutely NOT to say don't seek the support of a teacher:  However, in the interim, maybe that feeling about yourself, that you cannot develop your own true discipline has a two-fold internal solution.
  One, perhaps just discard that feeling as a part of your own personal time of involution, as being perhaps the voice of 'I am not good enough to do it'...the voice of evil attempting to bring about the opposite reality intended.
  Two, let your desire be your discipline, and just simply...in each moment when it comes the time on the clock or in your heart to meditate...in THAT instant, choose (free will) to follow your desire to meditate (or whichever is the option at hand).

  Just some feelings which arose as I read your post.

Blessings upon you and your Way,
Stephen


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on May 25, 2010, 02:08 PM
Hi Stephen,


  Thank you very much Rad for those answers.

  Two other questions came up for me, and I would be thankful for any further clarity.

Q1:  Do I actually point my eyes upward into my head, 'looking' into the direction of the 3rd eye?  Or, is it simply to place my awareness into that point/area?  And, let my eyes do whatever they naturally want to do?

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It is to place your awareness within that area of the 3rd eye. There is a natural vortex there as you will know. So feel and focus on that vortex. Keep the lids of the eyes either totally closed, or just slightly open in a Buddhist type way: which allows just a sliver of light to enter consciousness. The eyes will take care of themselves. When you actually perceive the 3rd eye in total the eyes will then naturally 'look up' without you being aware of such.

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Q2:  In breathing, I was taught long ago what was called the 'Natural Breath' or the 'Full Breath.'  This method is to gently fill first the lower third, then the middle third, then the upper third of the lungs on the inhale, and rest in silence, then empty the upper third, the middle third and the bottom third on the exhale, and rest in silence.  The inhale and the exhale are driven by the body naturally...when the body wants the air or wants to expel the air, it will do it in its own timing.  It seems to be a Trinity of Breath, so to speak.  Is this method of filling/emptying the lungs applicable for this practice?  Or, is there an optimal/suggested method?

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This issue is not to focus on the breath at all. It is to concentrate upon the two words as the breath naturally goes in and out relative to those two words. The above approach requires consciousness to be 'aware' of the breath which, in turn, distracts upon the total concentration the two words. When there is total concentration on the two words that leads finally to the perception of the 3rd eye in full, and the Soul then remembers by birth right how to merge, fuse, with it. Then the breath simply stops of itself without the Soul/ consciousness even being aware of such.

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God Bless, Rad

P.S. There is another really neat natural yoga called Laya Yoga that allows the Soul to hear the natural sounds that emanate from the various chakras. And each chakra correlates to specific knowledge/ teachings that are specific to the nature of each chakra. When the Soul unites, fuses, totally with whatever sound it is hearing from whatever chakra is when that inherent knowledge occurs to consciousness. If you are interested in this let me know and I will try to write it down in this thread for you.


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on May 25, 2010, 02:58 PM
Hi Ari

Dear Rad,

I recently came to realize that for my entire life I have resisted allowing myself to simply be a beginner, to "not know".  Now I really accept that I am a beginner. I feel a deep gratitude and excitement in that acceptance.

I wish to ask a question about where/how I can receive the support of a teacher, or ashram type institution- to immerse myself in developing the skill and discipline for this practice. This is not something I know how to develop on my own: true, sustained discipline. I want that so badly.

I desire God, above all else- and yet I know that my separating desires are strong. I don't feel strong enough to do this on my own.

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I totally understand your desire Ari. I would suggest, first, that you do try to make your own 'ashram' right in your own home. And to create a routine that you adhere too at all costs that involves active mediation/ yoga three times a day, at the same times everyday. There are certain great gurus, Souls, who have made the promise to be available 'within' each Soul who so desires, needs, to be taught, instructed, guided in this way. Given that you have your Mars in Libra in the 1st, this will be receiving progressively the transiting square from Pluto. So the way to proceed is not via extremes: jumping from your life the way it is now to the extreme of a monastic environment. In so doing the 'compression' of that extreme will ignite, intensify, your separating desires in such a way as to create a progressive distraction that will then defeat your reasons for being in the monastic environment in the first place. So, to me, it would be best to orientate to a 'midpoint' solution as suggested above. You can then be free, Mars, to act upon whatever separating desires you have while at the same time have a consistent spiritual routine/ practice as your baseline for reality. You will find that by having such a baseline, the consistency of the practice three times a day, is like putting a deepening groove in a record. And the deeper that grove becomes the more the baseline will become your total reality at some point. Then if you still felt the desire to move into a formal/ monastic environment that would be the time.

  With the ruler of your N.Node being conjunct Neptune in the 4th, right in the center of the galaxy at 28 Sagittarius, your Soul simply desires to 'empty itself' of all aquired knowledge over many, many lifetimes. This is where you find yourself now. The need to empty, the acknowledgment of what you don't yet know. And that they comes back to the secret of the breath, and the knowledge that is known from within: the inner universes.


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Now I have some more fundamentals questions.

1. Is it recommended to sit with a straight back?

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Yes...............

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2. You recommended 45 minutes min to start with. Would you recommend as well any particular times of the day?

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The best times for you would: coming right out of sleep in the morning. The reason for this is that your consciousness, mind, will not yet be active. Also, there is still a lot of natural melatonin within the brain at that time. So in combination this is very conducive to deep mediation, and the very best way to start your day. Then around noon or so make this another time, and, finally just before you go to sleep. Do some yoga first at noon, and night time, then the meditations. The yoga creates a condition that facilitates the meditation. Within these daily routines, a natural trinity, practice using words like Hong-Sau  linked with the breath as much as you can. So driving in a car somewhere, sitting in a dentist office, etc, etc, etc. The more you prime the pump, the more water will gush forth.

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With Love and Gratitude,
Ari Moshe


God Bless you too Ari, Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Linda on May 25, 2010, 05:14 PM
Hi Rad,

I think you missed my question a few pages back. I'll re-phrase:

I tried this meditation a few days ago, very early in the morning, and concentrated on the words "one" - "two" (not on the breath).  I continued on for over an hour and the meditation seemed to blend in with a half-sleep state. My question is, is it okay to use the words, "one", "two"?


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on May 26, 2010, 08:04 AM
Hi Linda,

 Sorry that I missed your question. Yes, using the words 1 and 2 is perfectly fine. Remember that it is essential that you consciously focus, to concentrate, not only on the words, but the energy vortex between the eyebrows. That vortex, or chakra, has it's own natural 'gravity' that when concentrated upon, relative to the 1 and 2, will progressively allow for an entire 'gravity shift' within your consciousness. When this begins to occur the molecular density within the entire body system, all of it's cells, will begin to shift. As that occurs it is then common for the person the inwardly experience and 'sense' that that external world is going into something like an earthquake feeling. The ground upon which you sit will seem to be moving around you. Buy if you opened your eyes in those moments you would then of course find that the external environment is in fact stable. What that sensation/ feeling mirrors is the inner shift in the gravity mass within the body cells because of the pull of the gravity center within the vortex that exists between the eyebrows.
 One thing you might want to try that will allow for your consciousness to stay fixed, concentrated, upon that gravity vortex that is called the 3rd eye is to do what many of the Buddhist meditation methods do: to keep the eyes slightly open that allows just a sliver of light to enter into your consciousness. The contrast of the light coming in through the eyes then 'highlights' the inner darkness relative to the energy vortex or chakra between the eyes. This helps the consciousness stay focused upon that chakra  as a result. It also help to keep the Soul/ consciousness 'awake' instead of the tendency you are describing: the feeling of going to sleep.

 God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Linda on May 26, 2010, 03:12 PM
Thanks Rad for this extra information. I will take your advice.


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: stephen on May 26, 2010, 03:28 PM
P.S. There is another really neat natural yoga called Laya Yoga that allows the Soul to hear the natural sounds that emanate from the various chakras. And each chakra correlates to specific knowledge/ teachings that are specific to the nature of each chakra. When the Soul unites, fuses, totally with whatever sound it is hearing from whatever chakra is when that inherent knowledge occurs to consciousness. If you are interested in this let me know and I will try to write it down in this thread for you.

Thank you very much for the further information Rad.

  I would be grateful to learn about this other method, and when to use it in conjunction/in place of the 1-2 meditation, when/if you have the time for that posting.

Blessings,
Stephen


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on May 27, 2010, 09:15 AM
Hi Stephen,

 Ok, I will try to write this down as best that I can. This is called Laya Yoga. Each chakra correlates to a sphere or 'loka' that contains universal knowledge that is unique to the nature of each chakra/ loka. For example, the heart chakra correlates to the entire nature of the truths that correlate with the nature of emotions in it's fullest dimension.

 Each chakra has a natural sound that is exists within them. The intent of Laya Yoga is to be able to have our consciousness/ Soul tune into and hear these sounds. And, ultimately, to merge or fuse with the sound itself so that there is no more awareness of the 'listener'. When that occurs the consciousness of the Soul becomes aware of an entire universe within that chakra that correlates with the entire teaching or knowledge intrinsic to that chakra.

 The sounds that are specific to each chakra are these:

 The root chakra: the sound of bumble bees.
 The sacral chakra: the sound of a flute.
 The naval chakra: the sound of a harp like instrument.
 The heart chakra: the sound of a giant 'gong'..or church bell like sound.
 The throat chakra: the sound of a wind like you would hear when picking up a conch shell and listening to the sound within that.
 The medulla/ajana united with the crown chakra: the sound of OM ... a continuous sound this is in essence of sound of the Creation itself: this can start with the sound of giant like waterfalls, a roar of, that then morphs into the sound of OM.

 The way to do Laya Yoga is to sit very vertically and, if possible, on something made of cotton because cotton will cancel the negative magnetic vibration of the Earth field. While sitting vertically to raise up the arms in such a way as to place the thumbs over the appendage on the lower part of the ear to seal off external sound: press the thumbs inwardly upon it. Then allow the rest of each hand to rest upon the forehead/ top part of the skull in such a way as to have the tips of the little finger of each hand to rest gently on the top of the eyelids at the very end: the end farthest away from the nose. Then allow the rest of the fingers to fall naturally upon the top of the forehead/ skull.

 Allow the physical form to breath naturally, while at the same time concentrating the consciousness upon the natural vortex, chakra, 3rd eye in the middle of the forehead. A natural sequence will then begin. This sequence starts with the consciousness/ Soul at first hearting the natural sound of the electrical system within the body form. This will sound something like standing underneath a high tension wire. Then this will give way to hearing the natural sound of the blood coursing through the body relative to the heart: pump, pump. Then, finally, this will evolve into being able to tune into the natural sounds of the chakras. What happens to most Souls at this point is that they will naturally tune into the chakras within them that are already most open. This will be different for each Soul. So if you at first hear the sound of the naval chakra, for example, to allow the consciousness to 'tune into' that sound ever more: to just go into it as much as possible. In time, and with practice, there will come a point in which there is no more listener while will be simultaneous to the consciousness/Soul becoming aware of the entire universe/loka/ sphere that is intrinsic to that chakra. The Soul/ consciousness is then simply is a state of becoming aware of all the truths, natural laws,  that are specific to that chakra.

 To practice this Laya Yoga over time will allow the Soul / consciousness to fully actualize and tune into each chakra. The knowledge gained is of course inwardly realized that correlates with universal, natural, truths and laws of each of those chakras.

 Laya Yoga and the 1/2 mediation can be used in conjunction with each other, one after to the other, or as a 'stand alone' relative to your own ongoing practices.

 God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Eric on May 27, 2010, 10:08 AM
 Can't we just go to church and have the priest tell us what to believe? Seems like a lot of effort to have a personal connection to God. Just kidding of course :)

Thanks for providing this Rad truley, ( I want to say Morpheus), I'll take the red pill :)

Goddess Bless,
Eric


 


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: stephen on May 27, 2010, 12:00 PM

Ok, I will try to write this down as best that I can. This is called Laya Yoga...

....

...Laya Yoga and the 1/2 mediation can be used in conjunction with each other, one after to the other, or as a 'stand alone' relative to your own ongoing practices.

  Thank you Rad for taking the time to type this teaching out and give is to us.  Your knowledge and help is greatly appreciated.

Blessings,
Stephen


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: ari moshe on May 28, 2010, 10:01 PM
Rad, your response has had a deep impact on me. I just want to thank you wholeheartedly for that.

I feel I have many questions still. Some of them are basics, others are more existential (to me at least). I'm not clear about exactly what my questions are, or why I need to ask them- so I'm just going to continue my meditation, follow your instructions and wait until more clarity comes.

My life has taken a new turn- one that I have prayed for. I am certain that God has answered and is answering my prayers.
Ari Moshe



Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: stephen on Jun 01, 2010, 07:46 PM

Hi Rad,

  First, thank you again for your presence here, and for the consistency of your sharing and your teachings.

  I am deliberately wiping away all the data/gimmicks/methods I have accumulated with respect to meditation, and returning to this process anew through these methods that you are sharing.  So, as I practice and encounter questions, I bring them here, in order to achieve a unified approach.

I would like to ask several more questions, please:
   1) The tip of the tongue placement...where is recommended within these methods?
   2) Location of the hands...on the knees, cupped in the lap...?
   3) When the time has ended, I am not always 'back' so to speak.  What is the recommended
           return/stabilization/grounding method/sequence/process?

Thank you.

Blessings,
Stephen
 




Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Jun 02, 2010, 09:25 AM
Hi Stephen,

I would like to ask several more questions, please:

   1) The tip of the tongue placement...where is recommended within these methods?

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Simply let it be natural: no need to place it anywhere except where it is naturally.

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   2) Location of the hands...on the knees, cupped in the lap...?

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makes no difference at all, so whatever feels most natural for you.

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   3) When the time has ended, I am not always 'back' so to speak.  What is the recommended
           return/stabilization/grounding method/sequence/process?

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To allow another ten to fifteen minutes in which your consciousness can naturally integrate what has taken place during the meditation to the immediacy of the moment, and what that requires to set your system 'back in motion'.

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God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: stephen on Jun 02, 2010, 04:39 PM

Thank you Rad.

God'dess Bless,
Stephen


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Elen on Jun 03, 2010, 03:31 PM
Hi Linda,

 When this begins to occur the molecular density within the entire body system, all of it's cells, will begin to shift. As that occurs it is then common for the person the inwardly experience and 'sense' that that external world is going into something like an earthquake feeling. The ground upon which you sit will seem to be moving around you.
 God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

I was wondering if this gravity shift experience occurs only after one begins to see the colors of the 3rd eye, or before.  Or can it happen whenever.

Peace,

Ellen


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Jun 04, 2010, 08:57 AM
Hi Ellen,

 This, when it happens, will occur more at the 'beginning' and before the perception of the 3rd eye happens. 

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: mountainheather on Jun 04, 2010, 10:13 AM
Hi Rad,
Is it possible for the third eye perception to occur without this meditation and phenomenon associated with it, just by a genuine willingness to be open to it and maybe past lives of having done it accumulated and bearing fruit in this lifetime?
Thank you, Heather


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Eric on Jun 04, 2010, 10:42 AM
Hi Rad,
Thanks for sharing this with us all.
Thus far what I have noticed I can best describe as a sort of "well". The outer ring seemed to act as a container of sorts, maybe like the stone surrounding the classic sort of well. Inside of this I haven't seen the white star yet but the interior of the "well" seemed for lack of a better word alive and contain the "promise" of depth although thus far I've just sort of marveled at the "lens" in a childlike way.
Sorry about all the quotation marks, as this hasn't appeared in the sort of way where I have confirmed "oh yes, there are the colors, there is the star", etc.
My question maybe just requires more playtime within to be answered, but since you are familiar with this territory I will ask an initial question anyway. In your experience, is the key to unfolding deeper access here one of allowing ones awareness into the "well" or just sitting back and and sort of scrying what appears on the "lens".
Thanks. I welcome any comments you may have.
Goddess Bless,
Eric


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Jun 04, 2010, 02:07 PM
Hi Heather,
 
 Yes, it is entirely possible for it to happen that way ................

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Jun 04, 2010, 02:13 PM
Hi Eric,

"In your experience, is the key to unfolding deeper access here one of allowing ones awareness into the "well" or just sitting back and and sort of scrying what appears on the "lens"."

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The key is concentration. So if you are seeing the outer layers of the 3rd Eye, the well as you put it, simply concentrate ever more upon it WITHOUT ANY EXPECTATIONS. The increasing concentration over time will allow this initial perception to deepen into the full perception of the 3rd Eye.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Elen on Jun 04, 2010, 02:17 PM
Hi Rad,

I hope you don't mind a few more questions about the gravity shift: 1) How early, in terms of evolutionary stage, can this begin to be felt?  2) Can it start out gradually, and then over time, build, or does it happen all at once - starting out big and continuing...?  3) Wver how long a period does it typically occur?  

Thanks so much, Rad.  This information is SO invaluable.

Peace,
Ellen


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Eric on Jun 04, 2010, 11:19 PM
Hi Rad,
O.K. Thankyou.
Eric


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: mountainheather on Jun 05, 2010, 09:26 AM
Hi Rad thanks for your reply. Is it ok on this thread to share a little of personal experiences we think may be related to seeing from the third eye?
Thank you, Heather


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Jun 05, 2010, 09:35 AM
Hi Ellen,

"I hope you don't mind a few more questions about the gravity shift: 1) How early, in terms of evolutionary stage, can this begin to be felt?  2) Can it start out gradually, and then over time, build, or does it happen all at once - starting out big and continuing...?  3) Wver how long a period does it typically occur?  "

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Every Soul is different and  unique in it's own way. For some this sense of the gravity shift creates the 'earthquake' feeling, and for others it does not. As in anything in the Soul's evolution all is dependent on DESIRE. So it takes and active and consistent desire to evolve the consciousness/ Soul through these natural forms of meditation. So this kind of experience is dependent on desire and such desires typically do not occur to a Soul until it has entered the final stages of the 3rd Stage Individuated and beyond. The experience of the gravity shift manifesting as the 'earthquake' feeling typically occurs all at once. And it continues for some time where the time itself is relative to the nature of each Soul. Generally speaking, this sense does not last very long because it does correlate to an expansion of consciousness in such a way that the expansion itself, signaled by this kind of experience, moves rapidly into the other stages that occur after this affect is sensed. Thus, the consciousness is then focused on these other stages, not the gravity shift itself as experienced in the earthquake feeling.

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God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Elen on Jun 05, 2010, 02:02 PM
Hi Ellen,

"I hope you don't mind a few more questions about the gravity shift: 1) How early, in terms of evolutionary stage, can this begin to be felt?  2) Can it start out gradually, and then over time, build, or does it happen all at once - starting out big and continuing...?  3) Wver how long a period does it typically occur?  "

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Every Soul is different and  unique in it's own way. For some this sense of the gravity shift creates the 'earthquake' feeling, and for others it does not. As in anything in the Soul's evolution all is dependent on DESIRE. So it takes and active and consistent desire to evolve the consciousness/ Soul through these natural forms of meditation. So this kind of experience is dependent on desire and such desires typically do not occur to a Soul until it has entered the final stages of the 3rd Stage Individuated and beyond. The experience of the gravity shift manifesting as the 'earthquake' feeling typically occurs all at once. And it continues for some time where the time itself is relative to the nature of each Soul. Generally speaking, this sense does not last very long because it does correlate to an expansion of consciousness in such a way that the expansion itself, signaled by this kind of experience, moves rapidly into the other stages that occur after this affect is sensed. Thus, the consciousness is then focused on these other stages, not the gravity shift itself as experienced in the earthquake feeling.

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God Bless, Rad


Thank you, Rad.

Ellen


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Jun 06, 2010, 08:57 AM
Hi Heather,

 Sure ...........that would be fine.


God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: mountainheather on Jun 06, 2010, 07:51 PM
Thanks Rad,
OK, here's what happened recently.
In the middle of giving a massage(its my work) I become aware of my attention going somewhere. It felt very natural, like I am entering a room that is at the top of my house that has always been there but I haven't visited for a long time.  I lightly thought, oh this is the third eye people talk about, it feels so simple, we all have this.   
Then I got that I wasn't really receiving information from here but actually broadcasting , radiating from here. I immediately heard BROADCAST LOVE, which I did and felt such tenderness and empathy for all life. That was the only feeling that accompanied the experience, other that some  gentle surprise and subtle amusement/amazement.  Then I felt my eyes relax, like I didn't need to use them to see, to penetrate, with them so much anymore, then as the day wore on I got that all of my senses could relax, I could rest them. 
It was very still and silent, just pure, completely still like a lake at twilight, I also at one point  heard/thought "people will strike/have struck you down for this",   but it didn't disturb me, I just felt like the awareness was connected to infinity, and everything was distant, my view objective, but there was love. 
Then I thought/heard this is my soul looking out.

Now that I am sharing it seems like it was like a wave, swelling and washing over me, a totally natural experience with no real beginning or end to it.
It feels like it was totally given by grace, like I had not set out to open my third eye that day or if it even is what people call the third eye. It was given like a mother gives to her children.
Now I am still aware I can go there if I choose to, but I need to align with, return to, adjust myself to , a loving intention FOR ALL before I can feel it, (which is what I do consciously when I am giving a massage, but get more distracted when I'm out and about in the world)

So, I am wondering if this is the "third eye" experience that you are describing her Rad. I thank you all for listening to my account.

In love and the ebb and flow , Heather


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: ari moshe on Jun 06, 2010, 08:17 PM
Heather, thanks for sharing that, that was really beautiful to read about.

Dear Rad,
The strangest thing happened. The youtube post where swami kriyananda gave instructions for this practice (see reply 21 of this thread) had been erased and replaced by a new one. The instructions in this new reply are confusing to me.

Here's the new reply from "anandaworldwide" (bold mind). I appreciate any clarification!
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Both are important (concentrating on the breath and on the mantra). The main purpose of the hong-sau technique is to develop deep calmness, by calming the breath and the mind. One should always concentrate on the breath, wherever one most notices it. If that is at the spiritual eye, then that is a good place to concentrate on the breath. Then, along with the breath, one should mentally say "hong-sau".

I'm not sure if this reply is actually from him by the way. It wasn't signed "swami kriyananda" which I noticed he tends to do.

You have suggested that I focus on the hong sau, and that over time the concentration will become naturally focused on the third eye itself. You also specifically said not to focus on the breath. This quote seems to put breath as a priority.

Thank you,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Jun 07, 2010, 08:21 AM
Hi Heather,

"Then I thought/heard this is my soul looking out. Now that I am sharing it seems like it was like a wave, swelling and washing over me, a totally natural experience with no real beginning or end to it."

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     This is not the 3rd Eye Perception, or fusing with it. What you are sharing Heather is about a shifting of gravity within your consciousness from the current life ego, to your timeless Soul. Thus, the 'center' of your consciousness shifted from the immediacy of the current life ego, to your Soul itself. The words you shared above reflect this shift. And this occurred because of the concentration within your consciousness induced by the function of the massage work that you were doing. The transference itself from the ego to the Soul correlates to what you shared in the words 'like a wave, swelling, and washing over me'. And your Soul was the 'looking out' through the prism of the current life ego.

     The perception of the 3rd Eye is very different than this. It is, in the end, perceived as a sphere within the forehead: between and just above the two physical eyes. The sphere has an outer ring of gold, the inner sphere is blue, and at it's very center a five pointed white star. In time, after the perception occurs, the Soul remembers by birthright how to fuse, merge, or pierce this 3rd Eye. And when that occurs the perceptions within consciousness involve, progressively, the universal spheres, the cosmic spheres, in which the nature of Creation itself is perceived and understood. Within this state of consciousness the Soul can be in 'communion' with different 'divine' entities who have various and different messages or teachings for the Soul. As this state of consciousness evolves it can finally perceive where the Created and Uncreated meet: where the 'nothing' becomes 'one'.
     

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God Bless, Rad



Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Jun 07, 2010, 08:36 AM
Hi Ari,

 What I have shared is to concentrate on the 1/2 or Hong-Sau, inhale/exhale, while concentrating upon the 3rd Eye or vortex of energy felt within the forehead where the 3rd Eye is. This is the natural way for any Soul that when practiced is 'provable' by any Soul. And that proof is the immediacy of the inner experience of the 3rd Eye, and the Soul's fusion with it. One does not need to 'believe' any of it. One simply has to know it for themselves through direct perception gained from the experience of it.

 What you are managing to do Ari is the habit of your Soul of collecting lot's of information from one two many sources so that the information gathered then conflicts within itself. This is your habit that has it's own reasons for being so. Even your experience of going to that place on the internet and then finding that the information posted at one point now is different than the information now presented reflects this habit of yours. It is a perfect symbol for the whole deal.

 Instead of continuing with that habit that only, in the end, inhibits your own evolution you might want to consider simply practicing this natural meditation in order to prove to yourself through the immediacy of actual experience what is true, and what is not. 

God Bless, Rad
 


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: ari moshe on Jun 07, 2010, 09:56 AM
Thank you Rad for holding that mirror up for me.

I want you to know that I HAVE been practicing up everyday as per your suggestions. I have made that decision. And I actually feel it to be one of the most important decisions I have ever made.

(An astrological observation worth sharing- Jupiter was first quarter square to my Mercury Neptune when Rad replied to my post 2 weeks ago. Very clearly a first quarter square "choice" that I was faced with.)

Something meaningful happened this morning that I would like to share here...
A friend was visiting and asked if I could drive 1 hour to see her. I WANTED so badly to see her- she is a soul that I love very much. However to catch her in time would have meant missing my morning meditation. I was truly torn. I had nothing planned this morning, and I had a car to my avail. The only thing keeping me back from seeing her was my commitment to my practice. Either I say no to her, which to me felt selfish, or I see her and break my commitment.

I thought to myself, "This situation will come up time and time again. If I go and visit her WHEN will I finally say no? Where do my boundaries actually lie? What about the NEXT time this happens?"

I chose to stay at home and practice! In so doing, I validated that I CAN do this. That this truly IS important to me. I also recognized that I will soon commit to another soul who wants me to be committed to this practice.

After I got off the phone I remembered your words Rad "... a routine that you adhere too at all costs" Thank you again for giving me planting this seed in me.

I would like to ask if you could offer some advice when it comes to sticking to a set time for practice. I'm finding that difficult in the evenings and mornings because I have never needed to wake up or go to sleep at the set times. This is something my body/mind has not been able to adjust to yet.

I've been considering waking up just before, and meditating at susrise. This is something I used to do when I was a part of other spiritual practices/communities as the energy of that time feels very conducive to practice. Would you recommend that as a good morning time?

With Love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Jun 07, 2010, 12:20 PM
Hi Ari,

 First, good for you in your honesty of the recognition of your existing patterns/ dynamics of lifetimes that are of course no longer suitable for your evolution. Bravo !. And a big high five too for honoring your commitment to the mediation practice/ routine that you have already started even as it got tested through your dear friend. God/ess does notice such things, believe me. As for your question about the morning/ evening routine: the point is to establish the habit for the Soul of meditating just after you get up in the morning, and just before you go to sleep, WHATEVER THOSE TIMES ARE, IRREGULAR OR NOT. It is the routine that the Soul gets 'used' too that becomes etched within it's own memory banks. And the deeper that etch becomes, the more it will bear fruit. Of course meditating at sunrise is a very powerful time to do so, as is sunset.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: mountainheather on Jun 07, 2010, 04:43 PM
Hi,

Thanks Rad for your reply.
Would it make sense then to align in the soul place before I do the 1/2 meditation?
And can it be done while walking/moving?
Thank you, I truly don't know where else i would ask these questions, I am so grateful. 

Blessings, Heather


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Jun 08, 2010, 09:26 AM
Hi Heather,

 Would it make sense then to align in the soul place before I do the 1/2 meditation? And can it be done while walking/moving?

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Yes, and a good way to do that is to do some simple yoga before hand: the tree pose, the cobra, the spinal twist for example. Also coming out of sleep in the am is conducive to this too because the consciousness is more or less in the Soul then, more than the ego. And, yes, the 1/2 is good to practice while walking, or doing anything really, because it's gets the Soul ever more used to it. However, while walking, or doing anything else, is an 'action' that by it's very nature requires the body to breathe. As a result, the perception of the 3rd Eye can not occur because of the breathe in body: inhale/exhale. After the Soul has developed the capacity to perceive the 3rd Eye, and fuse with it, it possible to perceive it even during physical activities. When that occurs that then means that the Soul has more or less  shifted the center of gravity within it's consciousness from the current life ego to the Soul itself at all times.

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Thank you, I truly don't know where else i would ask these questions, I am so grateful. 

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You are more than welcome Heather.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: BrendaP on Jul 06, 2010, 10:49 AM
Respecfully I am a reader of Jeff Green's works, not an astrologer. Going back into his Uranus book, recently, and want to post a question on Saturn Uranus as well, in another post too.

But here, is the light that is seen in this meditation a function of the pineal and melatonin? Is the amount of melatonin a factor in determining whether one gets part of it, ie just seeing the "blue" verses the gold and star center?

Is this color, referred to as the "blue pearl," by other writers?

Can't remember where, but Jeff said it was not advisable to take supplemental Melatonin--is it because it would affect this process?

What if someone had altered Melatonin function, say with Multiple Sclerosis or Spinal Cord Injury (including Whiplash), would it still be inadvisable to take supplemental melatonin?

Jeff said that persons with Pluto in the 12th house could have increased Melatonin production--I assume this would hold true for certain transits? Which ones, ie. Pluto transiting one's 12th house, Neptune/Pluto contacts? Conversely, are there transits, natal conditions that would predispose one to having reduced Melatonin production, ie. conjunction (more)vs. opposition/square (reduced)?

With gratitude for your consideration of this.


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Jul 07, 2010, 09:21 AM
Hi BrendaP,

Respecfully I am a reader of Jeff Green's works, not an astrologer. Going back into his Uranus book, recently, and want to post a question on Saturn Uranus as well, in another post too.

But here, is the light that is seen in this meditation a function of the pineal and melatonin? Is the amount of melatonin a factor in determining whether one gets part of it, ie just seeing the "blue" verses the gold and star center?

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There are a variety of physiological responses that occur in this meditation that combine together that equals the perception of the 3rd Eye, or the inner Light that is called the 3rd Eye. Part of those responses include of course the pineal gland and the increased secretion of the hormone called melatonin. The perception of the totality of the 3rd Eye is determined by the Soul's capacity to totally concentrate on the meditation technique itself that leads to a state of natural breathlessness: the breath is suspended for a certain amount of time. When that occurs then the total perception of the 3rd Eye occurs.

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Is this color, referred to as the "blue pearl," by other writers?

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Yes.

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Can't remember where, but Jeff said it was not advisable to take supplemental Melatonin--is it because it would affect this process?

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Yes, because when the melatonin levels increase in this meditation that is a NATURAL RESPONSE because of the meditation. To ingest melatonin in not a natural response. And because it is not what would then happen is that the person would simply go to sleep, or become extremely drowsy.

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What if someone had altered Melatonin function, say with Multiple Sclerosis or Spinal Cord Injury (including Whiplash), would it still be inadvisable to take supplemental melatonin?

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It would depend on what it is being taken for. If it is taken to help induce sleep, then this would be fine.

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Jeff said that persons with Pluto in the 12th house could have increased Melatonin production--I assume this would hold true for certain transits? Which ones, ie. Pluto transiting one's 12th house, Neptune/Pluto contacts? Conversely, are there transits, natal conditions that would predispose one to having reduced Melatonin production, ie. conjunction (more)vs. opposition/square (reduced)?

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Yes, certain transits can correlate to a NATURAL increase or decrease of the levels of melatonin. And when that happens, from an EA point of view, it is necessary to determine WHY. There is a reason for everything that exists. And anything that exists must be understood in the context that is exists within. It is the specific context of anything that is the determinant of how and why something exists in that context. No one size fits all. For example a person could have a Saturn transit on their natal Neptune that correlated, in their context of reality, to an increase in the production of melatonin. Yet, for another in a different context, is could correlate to a decrease of this production of melatonin.

With gratitude for your consideration of this.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: BrendaP on Jul 07, 2010, 08:51 PM
Thank you very much for this clarification, of my question, the whole post.

God Bless.

Brenda


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: ari moshe on Sep 23, 2010, 02:41 PM
Dear Rad,

I hope this is ok to share- perhaps you may have some suggestion/advice for me for this practice?

I have not given up on this practice- though at times that is all I want to do. I have found myself often falling asleep while sitting, as well as just being tired all the time, and feeling depressed again. This is how my life used to be for years. This has been going on for about a month now.

Maintaining a deep inner spiritual life is still so important to me. On the one hand it seems so simple. Yet on the other hand I feel like I am wading through the ocean without a raft. I don't want to give up, and I am determined to listen to this process and integrate whatever changes need to be made.

I am wondering if there is something else I can incorporate into my life in addition to the practice? I feel like an all encompassing spiritual practice that helps to keep me in the Light may be helpful, as I feel like I can go either direction moment to moment. I want more experience of God, I want to experience the Light. I can progress more than I am. I don't mind the commitment.

With Love and Gratitude,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Sep 23, 2010, 03:55 PM
Hi Ari,
 What you are sharing about your experience  is common for most who desire to live an active spiritual life, and who attempt to mediate as a result. It actually is an archetypal experience that is designed by God/ess itself into order to 'test' our true desire to know, inwardly know, God/ess. The way I had a great spiritual teacher explain this to me was simply that if God/ess was so easy to win, it is also easy to loose. Thus, these tests in order to determine are real desire, our 'staying' power. This is why it is critical to have no expectations whatsoever about what the method itself will or won't produce. It is also why conscious and continues concentration upon the technique is essential. It is the active concentration linked with will that will prevent the falling asleep affect: it can not be done mechanically. It is also an archetype that for those that do persist at all costs that progressively the inner Godhead is revealed, and the states of consciousness that follows this. It is in fact a 'guarantee' from God/ess.

 There is another thing you can try to practice too that is called Laya Yoga that allows the Soul to hear the natural sounds that come from the different chakras. The goal is to merge with the Sounds. When that happens various dimensions of the total universe/ Creation manifests. Spontaneous realizations then follow. Let me know if you wish to know about this.

 God Bless, Rad


 


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: ari moshe on Sep 27, 2010, 09:32 PM
Thank you so much Rad,
I really hear what your saying about not having expectations. It's a challenge for me not to compare this practice with other practices that have produced even greater experiences- such as tuning in to the natural sounds of the chakras (which has happened often during a certain other meditation practice). Doing Hong Sau for 5 months and not having any experience really makes me question! Nevertheless, I don't mind, and I am going to continue to stick with this.

I will start practicing laya yoga tonight. You have already provided instructions in post 38, so no need to provide more information unless there is anything else you would like to add.
God Bless,
Ari Moshe



Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: ari moshe on Sep 27, 2010, 10:09 PM
Hi Rad,
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Then allow the rest of each hand to rest upon the forehead/ top part of the skull in such a way as to have the tips of the little finger of each hand to rest gently on the top of the eyelids at the very end: the end farthest away from the nose. Then allow the rest of the fingers to fall naturally upon the top of the forehead/ skull.

I just want to make sure I understand what you mean. Would this would be the part of the eye lids that are closer to the ears? And do you mean to place them litereally on top of the eye lids (ie touching them), or above them?

Furthermore, is the hand position a particular midra? Otherwise, are these details actually important?
God Bless,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Sep 28, 2010, 07:48 AM
Hi Ari,

 Yes, the end of the eyelids that are closest to the ears. And, no, this is not a midra thing.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: mountainheather on Dec 02, 2010, 04:28 PM
Hi Rad,
Is it natural to have some fear around doing this meditation.  I have been feeling apprehensive and doubtful about doing this AND I want to do it.  It seems that a filmy layer of my consciousness just gets up and starts walking around  which has gotten me wondering what that is?
Thank you for your support on this.
Heather


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Dec 03, 2010, 10:16 AM
Hi Heather,

 This reaction within you is based on the fact that in certain other lifetimes your Soul, relative to the desire to understand and embrace the universal, God/ess, has gotten fooled by false teachers and teachings. Within that, certain 'practices' that you tried in other lives in order to inwardly know and experience the inner Godhead, the inner Light, has lead to a state of psychological disintegration and the traumas that followed. These memories are of course rooted in your Soul structure, these memories residing now in your own individuated unconsciousness: Uranus. And it is these memories that become activated at times even as you sit to try natural meditations such as the 1/2. The  immediate affect of those memories when linked to any meditation, including natural ones like the 1/2, is to create a fear or sense of 'loosing control'. In turn that then creates the effect that you are sharing here. The only antidote of course is to know and remember the difference between true and natural teachings, and those that are not. In others words to a path that has been well traveled by countless other Souls who actual testimony as to the 'reality' of the practices themselves serves to evolve you beyond the fears rooted in your Soul. This is why things like the 1/2 natural method can be so effective. It is not only natural, Created by the Creator Itself, but does not require belonging to anything, anyone, or submitting to anything. It requires no belief of any kind. It only takes practice of the method itself. And that method, natural, has been part of the human DNA since it's origins.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: mountainheather on Dec 03, 2010, 02:44 PM

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 This reaction within you is based on the fact that in certain other lifetimes your Soul, relative to the desire to understand and embrace the universal, God/ess, has gotten fooled by false teachers and teachings. Within that, certain 'practices' that you tried in other lives in order to inwardly know and experience the inner Godhead, the inner Light, has lead to a state of psychological disintegration and the traumas that followed. These memories are of course rooted in your Soul structure, these memories residing now in your own individuated unconsciousness: Uranus. And it is these memories that become activated at times even as you sit to try natural meditations such as the 1/2. The  immediate affect of those memories when linked to any meditation, including natural ones like the 1/2, is to create a fear or sense of 'loosing control'. In turn that then creates the effect that you are sharing here. The only antidote of course is to know and remember the difference between true and natural teachings, and those that are not. In others words to a path that has been well traveled by countless other Souls who actual testimony as to the 'reality' of the practices themselves serves to evolve you beyond the fears rooted in your Soul. This is why things like the 1/2 natural method can be so effective. It is not only natural, Created by the Creator Itself, but does not require belonging to anything, anyone, or submitting to anything. It requires no belief of any kind. It only takes practice of the method itself. And that method, natural, has been part of the human DNA since it's origins.

Thank you Rad,


I am curious if this is common for others or if it is specific to my chart. If the latter, can I ask specifically about my chart here or should I arrange a reading? I would limit the questions to this meditation and Uranus.

Heather


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Dec 03, 2010, 04:24 PM
HI Heather,

 Since I did your chart before, privately, I of course had it in my files. So the answer was specific to you, and your chart. If you want to ask more about the meditation here it's fine with me.


God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: mountainheather on Dec 05, 2010, 06:43 PM

Hi Rad,
Well, thank you again, this is pivotal in my spiritual evolution, so I , in fact, don't quite know how to thank you, except by continuing to grow and giving back where I can.

My question is a bit layered, and I don't think you need me to post my chart, since you have it.  

I am combining the archetypes in order to understand what you have said.

Sn of Uranus (past trauma) in the first house (instincts, loss of life), in Sagittarius (living by natural law) conjunct the sn of the moon(past emotional security) also injured. 
Squaring  natal Uranus Pluto and mars in Virgo in the tenth ( ok, overwhelmed by too many layers there but I wonder if the meditation practice is symbolized by the Pluto in Virgo/pisces axis or the sag/ Gemini axis or both.
Oh and the fact that sn ruler, Jupiter is conjunct nn of Uranus , and natal lucifer this is the misleading teachings symbolism, but does it refer to ANY natural practices/teachings and again where is the godhead symbolism here?
Apologies my newbie studentness is showing here...

I can work out the resolution mostly from your and Steve's private readings but what I really want is to understand what symbolizes the meditation practice in this chart and what the square is describing. Or perhaps descibe to me what steps I take to break down specifically the uranus dynamics to understand from the ea perspective. I feel I could really learn something about combining archetypes with this. 

I'm pretty determined more than ever to dig my heels in and break through this obstacle to realizing and connecting with the inner godhead.
I am just filled with gratitude beyond words, and an intensified desire to learn ea!

Blessings, Heather


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Dec 06, 2010, 10:14 AM
Hi Heather,

The Godhead symbolism, and meditation itself, is of course the archetypes of the 12th House, Neptune, and Pisces. You have Neptune in Scorpio conjunct your Ascendant, the S.Node of Mars is in Scorpio in your 12th House, which is conjunct your Moon in Scorpio in also in your 12th House. That S.Node of Mars is ruled by your Mars in Virgo in the 10th which opposes your Saturn, Chiron, and Ceres in Pisces in your 4th. Your Mars is conjunct Uranus and Pluto in the 10th which squares your S.Node in Sagittarius in your 1st which is also conjunct the S.Node of Uranus, and your N.Node in Gemini in your 7th which is conjunct your Lucifer and Jupiter, and the N.Node of Uranus. The desire for truth, and be Soul aligned with Natural Laws is reflected in the S.Node in Sagittarius. Your desire to connect to the Natural God/ess, the inner Godhead, is reflected in that and of course all the other symbols as above. The confusion of getting mixed up with false teachings and false teachers is also reflected in all of these symbols, and well as becoming disillusioned by intimate partners who 'appeared' to be something other than who their actual reality was/ is. In certain lives by 'believing' in false teachings and teachers this lead to intense cataclysmic moments of a traumatic nature when the actual reality of those false teachings, and teachers, were exposed. Same thing in intimate relationships when the actual reality of a certain partners was revealed.

Loss of life, in general, is not the first house. Loss of life is Scorpio, Pluto, and the 8th House. Early life endings, dying before one's natural time, is Mars as the lower octave of Pluto. So the natural First House is naturally inconjunct the 8th House. Aries is naturally inconjunct Scorpio. Thus, these archetypes can correlate to the early loss of life.

The healing/ antidote to all of these prior life dynamics is to align with Natural Laws, and Natural Teachings that are inwardly experienced, and provable, within yourself.

God Bless, Rad





Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: mountainheather on Dec 07, 2010, 06:01 PM
Hi Rad,
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The Godhead symbolism, and meditation itself, is of course the archetypes of the 12th House, Neptune, and Pisces. You have Neptune in Scorpio conjunct your Ascendant, the S.Node of Mars is in Scorpio in your 12th House, which is conjunct your Moon in Scorpio in also in your 12th House. That S.Node of Mars is ruled by your Mars in Virgo in the 10th which opposes your Saturn, Chiron, and Ceres in Pisces in your 4th. Your Mars is conjunct Uranus and Pluto in the 10th which squares your S.Node in Sagittarius in your 1st which is also conjunct the S.Node of Uranus, and your N.Node in Gemini in your 7th which is conjunct your Lucifer and Jupiter, and the N.Node of Uranus. The desire for truth, and be Soul aligned with Natural Laws is reflected in the S.Node in Sagittarius. Your desire to connect to the Natural God/ess, the inner Godhead, is reflected in that and of course all the other symbols as above. The confusion of getting mixed up with false teachings and false teachers is also reflected in all of these symbols, and well as becoming disillusioned by intimate partners who 'appeared' to be something other than who their actual reality was/ is. In certain lives by 'believing' in false teachings and teachers this lead to intense cataclysmic moments of a traumatic nature when the actual reality of those false teachings, and teachers, were exposed. Same thing in intimate relationships when the actual reality of a certain partners was revealed.

Loss of life, in general, is not the first house. Loss of life is Scorpio, Pluto, and the 8th House. Early life endings, dying before one's natural time, is Mars as the lower octave of Pluto. So the natural First House is naturally inconjunct the 8th House. Aries is naturally inconjunct Scorpio. Thus, these archetypes can correlate to the early loss of life.

The healing/ antidote to all of these prior life dynamics is to align with Natural Laws, and Natural Teachings that are inwardly experienced, and provable, within yourself.

God Bless, Rad


Thank you for taking the time to respond to my personal chart. I will be seeing Patricia Walsh in Vancouver in February and will work on this with her then.
Thank you for breaking that down for me. I was in over my head trying to put together those symbols.

I am wondering now ... how did the 1/2 meditation come to Jeffrey, was it from on high, and/or practiced by other experienced meditators from a specific tradition? I heard you when you said that it is provable from within, but has it been practiced by any tradition(s) that would be meaningful for me to look at, as I learn to support my own verification of the practice (ie I'm a little skittish), or is it better to just allow the practice to inform me directly, and the breath to carry the anxiety...

THank you, Heather

 


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Dec 08, 2010, 09:13 AM
Hi Heather,

 The 1/2 is a natural form of meditation that is simply part of the natural structure of consciousness as created by the Creator. In other words, it has been part of the human being since humans have been humans. It precedes any invention of formal religions of any kind. There have been some forms of philosophy such as Taoism as manifested through Lao-Tzu that have this natural method as the foundation of their own meditations. This natural 1/2 method has manifested in different systems in which they replace the 1/2 with different words, for example Hong-Sau, yet it is essentially the same anyway: 1/2 = Hong/Sau. The thing to remember is that it is NATURAL. And because it is natural it is a 'fail safe' system in that you can not go to fast with it. It is simply based on the Soul's capacity and determination, desire, to concentrate upon the 1/2 as linked with the inhaling and exhaling breaths. Thus, it is this capacity to concentrate that is then the determinant of how fast the Soul is able to progress with it. The Soul, in essence, is in charge. You should now this because of your own underlying fear of loosing control, or going to fast.

God Bless,Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: mountainheather on Dec 08, 2010, 08:32 PM
Thank you for supporting my desire to learn this Rad.
God Bless you, Heather


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: mountainheather on Dec 09, 2010, 08:38 PM
Hi Rad,
Another question has arisen. I have re read this thread and noticed the posting about the laya yoga and the sounds associated with each chakra. Is it possible to hear those sounds outside of the context of meditation?
I have been variably been having the roaring and ringing sounds persistently for the last two weeks in addition to the sensation of the earth moving. I have not been practicing laya yoga,  Being centered in the breath actually stabilizes the effects more than intensifying them. I am not looking for any medical advice of course, but I am wondering if the sensory changes you are describing in the shift is something that can be experienced outside of the practice.

Thank you, I am practicing the1/2 meditation now, and just really developing a regular scedule as you recommended.

Heather


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Dec 10, 2010, 09:57 AM
Hi Heather,

 Yes, those natural sounds that emanate from the chakras, lokas, can be heard outside of the practice of laya yoga. It is natural. Nothing to fear, nothing to 'treat'. It's like having a 'walkman' on but the 'walkman' are the sounds of the coming from the chakras. The sensation of the ground moving under your feet is also normal: this reflects a shift in the center of gravity within your consciousness: from the ego to the Soul. It is that transition that creates this effect. Remember you have your natal Pluto conjunct your Mars and Uranus in the 10th, and they are opposed your Saturn, Ceres, and Chiron in Pisces in the 4th. Quite a symbol for the Earth moving under your feet, eh ? Those symbols also mean that in other lives you had dedicated yourself to certain practices that opened all the doors to the chakras, and thus their sounds. And in those practices you also opened the door called the 'third eye'. When that door is opened it then progressively shifts the center of gravity, gravity is a Capricorn, 10th House, and Saturn archetype, from the ego, the 4th House, Cancer, the Moon and it's Nodes, to the Soul: Pluto. Look at your chart in this way. And because all that Virgo is squaring the Nodes of the Moon, and all the Pisces is also squaring those Nodes, you can see that you have arrived at this point before. It is at exactly the point you are now, that you were before in other times. In other times you became afraid of going further. Once you became afraid of going further you tried to completely close all the doors. You wanted to run from it. Thus, the 'skipped steps' in this context. Given the various transits now your Soul has determined to recover those skipped steps. And now that you are aligned with a natural way of mediation , time tested, there is nothing to fear except the fear itself.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: mountainheather on Dec 12, 2010, 03:15 PM
Hi Rad,

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Hi Heather,

 Yes, those natural sounds that emanate from the chakras, lokas, can be heard outside of the practice of laya yoga. It is natural. Nothing to fear, nothing to 'treat'. It's like having a 'walkman' on but the 'walkman' are the sounds of the coming from the chakras. The sensation of the ground moving under your feet is also normal: this reflects a shift in the center of gravity within your consciousness: from the ego to the Soul. It is that transition that creates this effect. Remember you have your natal Pluto conjunct your Mars and Uranus in the 10th, and they are opposed your Saturn, Ceres, and Chiron in Pisces in the 4th. Quite a symbol for the Earth moving under your feet, eh ? Those symbols also mean that in other lives you had dedicated yourself to certain practices that opened all the doors to the chakras, and thus their sounds. And in those practices you also opened the door called the 'third eye'. When that door is opened it then progressively shifts the center of gravity, gravity is a Capricorn, 10th House, and Saturn archetype, from the ego, the 4th House, Cancer, the Moon and it's Nodes, to the Soul: Pluto. Look at your chart in this way. And because all that Virgo is squaring the Nodes of the Moon, and all the Pisces is also squaring those Nodes, you can see that you have arrived at this point before. It is at exactly the point you are now, that you were before in other times. In other times you became afraid of going further. Once you became afraid of going further you tried to completely close all the doors. You wanted to run from it. Thus, the 'skipped steps' in this context. Given the various transits now your Soul has determined to recover those skipped steps. And now that you are aligned with a natural way of mediation , time tested, there is nothing to fear except the fear itself.

God Bless, Rad

Wow, I am blown away by how precise EA is.
What a blessing of true love to be given directions home. Thank you.

 
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And now that you are aligned with a natural way of mediation , time tested, there is nothing to fear except the fear itself.

Therein lies the work ahead. Thank you for your ongoing support.
Heather

 



Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: ari moshe on Feb 01, 2011, 12:16 AM
Hi Rad,

I deeply appreciate any guidance you may be called to share. I don't feel I can do this on my own. Hopefully this may be supportive to others here as well. This seems to be an archetypal experience.

This post is coming from a feeling of being at a dead end. As I'm doing more ea work and showing up more in the world, I feel more and more like an inner wreck and I want it all to stop.

I feel the evolutionary necessity to sanctify and clean up my personal life very strongly, and yet I just don't feel like I can. (I have fallen out of my yoga practice- currently lacking the patience and motivation to take care of my body in general. I've been sleeping late, and while I've been showing up for my daily meditations, I am lacking in devotion and concentration.) My actions clearly imply that I don't want to try.

I see how this is THE very nature of my karmic resistance.

The inner response I get right now is "OK, so you don't want to change... then you'll be forced to." That is nothing too unusual for any soul to go through.

I thank God for the many blessings in my life, as I know I have many, and I have been given everything that I need- more than I can see from my little view from the well.
God bless,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Rad on Feb 01, 2011, 09:34 AM
Hi Ari,

 Your Soul is running into, and against, a centuries old dynamic that is the cause of what you are sharing. And is all about your Soul's relationship to itself relative to a variety of expectations that it has had, and has, for itself. These expectations correlate to all kinds of 'should be's' most of which emanate from the spiritual dimensions of life. By setting up these should be's there have been many occasions, past and present, in which your Soul could not met them, or conform to them. In so doing this then created and led your Soul to have negative judgmental orientation, relationship, to itself. And, of course, this would all snowball to the point of your Soul just wanting to totally give up. With the Pluto transit in Capricorn and progressively squaring your natal Mars, from the crescent phase to the 1st quarter, yet another 'crisis in action' is at hand where that crisis is a result of your Soul's relationship to itself. One of the greatest wounds your Soul has carried into this life is in fact your own inner relationship to itself: Chiron retro in Taurus in your 9th, ruled by, of course, your Venus in Libra in the 2nd. Your natal Mars is ruled by that Venus.

 The essence of all this is that your Soul has not felt 'worthy' enough to do the work that your Soul has done in other times because of this inner relationship to itself because of the 'should be's.' This then has created a inner feeling of not being pure enough, or clean enough, to do the work that your Soul is designed to do. In turn this has degenerated into a sense of futility, and, in turn, that would lead to cycles of completly giving up. All this is coming up again because of the Pluto, Soul, transit to your Mars. The 'solution' is simple: to do the very best you can do in any given day, and, of course, to adjust the nature of the 'should be's'. If you can only sit, say, for ten minutes in order to meditate then at least make those ten minutes as focused as possible. The same for the yoga. And the same for anything else that any given day requires. To do the best that you can do, and that's that. Don't compare anything to some external standard of what is 'right' and 'wrong'. The value is in the effort, and that is indeed what God judges us by.

 And remember this: how 'things' feel now, and for all the reasons that create those feeling, WILL PASS. The Pluto transit squaring your Mars is a natural time to be reviewing life, and learning from that review. The lessons learned is such reviewing is then meant to be applied to the new and emerging next evolutionary cycle of your Soul's journey. The challenge now is not to allow yourself to get stuck in that reviewing to the point where you degenerate again into the psychology of futility, of wanting to simply give up.

 God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: 1 2 meditation
Post by: Wendy on Feb 03, 2011, 10:28 PM
Hi Rad,

I deeply appreciate any guidance you may be called to share. I don't feel I can do this on my own. Hopefully this may be supportive to others here as well. This seems to be an archetypal experience.

This post is coming from a feeling of being at a dead end. As I'm doing more ea work and showing up more in the world, I feel more and more like an inner wreck and I want it all to stop.

I feel the evolutionary necessity to sanctify and clean up my personal life very strongly, and yet I just don't feel like I can. (I have fallen out of my yoga practice- currently lacking the patience and motivation to take care of my body in general. I've been sleeping late, and while I've been showing up for my daily meditations, I am lacking in devotion and concentration.) My actions clearly imply that I don't want to try.

I see how this is THE very nature of my karmic resistance.

The inner response I get right now is "OK, so you don't want to change... then you'll be forced to." That is nothing too unusual for any soul to go through.

I thank God for the many blessings in my life, as I know I have many, and I have been given everything that I need- more than I can see from my little view from the well.
God bless,
Ari Moshe

Thank you Ari Moshe for your courage and willingness to surrender your resistance publicly on this forum.  It is of great assistance to me and I'm sure to others.    

I also would like to the thank Rad and all the moderators and those who contribute to this forum.  I continue to learn so much, as well as continue to unwind my own resistance (you just helped me a great deal Ari).  It is especially helpful knowing, feeling the support from this community.

God Bless,
Wendy