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Title: Pluto ruling more than 1 house?
Post by: Jane on Apr 27, 2010, 11:03 PM
Hello to all you beautiful souls. Thank you for so much input.

I have found my way here looking for further info. as I have just read Jeff’s lecture on Evil and Lucifer.

I really wish I had something to contribute at this point but have only been dabbling in astrology for a short time after finding out I have a strong plutonian chart. I am interested in knowing if what I see is really correct.

After reading your comments and if I am to understand it correctly it would seem that I have plutonian energy effecting almost every house.

I have counselled people most of my life, not professionally, but by volunteer work in organisations such as Life Line, homeless kids etc.

I would sincerely appreciate any comments regarding my chart if that is possible.

Maybe someone would like some practice.

Many thanks, and love to all.


 


Title: Re: Pluto ruling more than 1 house?
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 28, 2010, 10:56 AM
Hi Jane, welcome to this site-

I want to gently point out the rules of this message board. Clearly you missed this thread:
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,105.0.html (http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,105.0.html)

Ari Moshe


Title: Re: Pluto ruling more than 1 house?
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 28, 2010, 11:09 AM
Hi Jane,
To answer your question, as I understand it...

Whenever any soul is working on their core evolutionary intentions (Natal Pluto by house sign and aspect) it automatically involves the houses that are ruled by Scorpio. This is because Each planet acts as a facilitator for the house that it rules.

So to have Scorpio on the cusp of two houses means that Pluto can be read as the facilitator for both houses. And of course there would be a reason why any soul would want such a thing. To me, that implies more evolution is intended to take place in this particular lifetime.

JWG (Jeff Green) writes in his book "Pluto the Evolutionary Journey of the Soul" The more aspects to Pluto, the more evolution a soul intends. I intuitively understand that the same rule would apply to more than one house ruled by Pluto.

Also, I noticed you used Placidus- ea uses Porphyry house systems.

All the best,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: Pluto ruling more than 1 house?
Post by: Jane on Apr 28, 2010, 04:56 PM
hello Ari,

thank you so much for your answer, it is gratefully appreciated.

my error, i did miss that section "-  this is not a place to seek free personal counsel
-  this is not a place to seek to get one's unfulfilled needs met, unless those needs are to learn more about EA!"
, but has left me a bit confused, as I am trying to learn more about EA.

as you can see I am a novice at this. I have tried to buy JWG books here down under, but without success. I shall now endevour to try harder.

thank you for the info regarding the different systems, this I was unaware of. The person who has taught me up to date only uses Placidus, and I intuitively have more faith in EA, hence the reason for being here.

many thanks

slan, 1000 blessings to you.

 


Title: Re: Pluto ruling more than 1 house?
Post by: Steve on Apr 28, 2010, 09:00 PM
Hi Jane

Welcome to our EA message board.

For myself, I found your post OK within our guidelines.  The reason is, the real question you were asking was "what is the meaning of Pluto ruling more than 1 house?".  You happened to use your chart as an example.  The answer to that question is of general value to people who read our board.

Ari is correct that Jeffrey recommended using the Porphyry house system with EA.  But we don't have an orthodoxy that if you use another house system you are not "doing EA". 

We do like to see the charts posted on this board use Porphyry since we recommend it.  It becomes confusing to people new to EA when they see charts of different house systems posted and we suggest one in particular.  In the case of your chart, I don't think the house location of any planet changed between the two systems.  That is not always the case.

Please feel at home here and feel free to participate as you feel moved to.  Thank you for adding your post.
take care
Steve


Title: Re: Pluto ruling more than 1 house?
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 28, 2010, 09:57 PM
I'm so sorry Jane, reading over my response, I feel I was arrogant in how I responded to you. I was assuming your intentions- my own projection.

To Steve and all the other moderators: My apologies, I recognize that I assumed a responsibility that isn't mine. It is truly an honor for me to be a student here.

About house systems- I stand corrected- in fact I know a couple ea astrologers who use the koch house system.
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: Pluto ruling more than 1 house?
Post by: Jane on Apr 29, 2010, 01:35 AM
Hello again Ari,

please don't beat yourself up regarding your response. I certainly am not.
************

to Ari and Steve,

The reason I used my chart is that I have been told it is rather interesting because of the strong plutonian energy and thought others there may as well. I feel that I know myself very well, but there is always something else to learn.

I have managed to track down a copy of Deva's book and that is where my head will be for now.

I look forward to learning something that I also can hand on to the discussion group in the future.

Love to all

By caring in the depths of my being, I would lead you to be more than you are.
 





Title: Re: Pluto ruling more than 1 house?
Post by: Dhyana on Apr 29, 2010, 04:02 AM
...precious jane, simply precious.

thank you for being here.

peace,
dhyana


Title: Re: Pluto ruling more than 1 house?
Post by: stephen on Apr 29, 2010, 05:33 AM
Hi Jane,

I too want to post a Welcome to the Message Board of Evolutionary Astrology.

Also,

By caring in the depths of my being, I would lead you to be more than you are.

Wow!  Thanks for that . . . 'God-spoken'

God'dess Bless,
Stephen

:)


Title: Re: Pluto ruling more than 1 house?
Post by: Elen on Apr 29, 2010, 04:21 PM
Hi Jane, 
 
Welcome!  And thank you so much for your kind intention!
 
I'm fairly new to EA so not equipped to answer your question in much detail.  But one thing that did come to my mind re: your question is the 2 EA methods of chart interpretation: the planetary method and the house method.  These methods are employed after the EA basics of looking first at Pluto, then the Nodes of the Moon, the rulers of the nodes and the aspects those ruling planets make. 
 
In the house method, you look at the house cusps and determine which planet rules it, consider the house the planet is in, the aspects it makes, etc., then look to see what planets are in the house.  In this way, you are able to develop a full picture of any given house and get a feel for the overall chart emphasis.  In your chart, your 3rd house has a stellium in Scorpio.  Also, Scorpio is on the cusp and so ruled by Pluto.  The planets in the 3rd house are: Sun, Jupiter, Mars, Mercury.  In the Placidus House system in which your chart is posted, the Sun rules your 1st, Jupiter rules your 5th, Mars is intercepted in the 8th (Pluto/Scorpio natural domain) and Mercury rules your 11th and 2nd houses.  Each of those houses will refer back to the respective planets, which are in Scorpio and so be colored by the energies of Scorpio.  So this might be one answer to your question.

Also of note, both of your nodes are ruled by planets which are themselves in Scorpio.

Hope that at least gets the ball rolling.  Perhaps others will add more or correct what I've had to say. 
 
If you haven't looked into it, I really recommend the DVD course that The School of Evolutionary Astrology offers.  It is really awesome. 

Wishing you well,
Ellen


Title: Re: Pluto ruling more than 1 house?
Post by: Elen on Apr 29, 2010, 06:57 PM
Hi Jane,

I just had one more thought to share.  On this MB there's been a lot of discussion over the last couple of months re: the stages of development (consensus, individuated and spiritual).  It's been a fascinating and eye-opening discussion.  The upshot is that, depending on the evolutionary stage of development of a person, the archetypes will manifest differently.  Just thought I'd add this - not to overwhelm you (hopefully) - but pique your interest further (hopefully!)

Peace,
Ellen


Title: Re: Pluto ruling more than 1 house?
Post by: Jane on Apr 30, 2010, 12:41 AM
Thank you Ellen for all that info.

it seems what I suspected was right, scorpio/pluto does seem to touch me in many places.

I'm assuming that you are referring to the DVD's by Kim Marie.

I have looked and they seem like a good investment.

Just now I have a lot of reading to do.

Thank you everyone for all the sharing. God bless you all.


by caring in the depths of my being, I would lead you to be more than you are



Title: Re: Pluto ruling more than 1 house?
Post by: Dhyana on Apr 30, 2010, 01:57 AM
Hi Jane,

You know what else I have found very useful, if you have not done so already? -- that is to go to the websites that speak in EA terms and listen to the radio podcasts, or the mp3 files.

Steve Wolfson, has SOME GREAT listening on his blog.  I think he has atleast 4 to listen to, usually lasting atleast 30 minutes or more. Here is his link -- http://stevewolfson.blogspot.com/  scroll down a bit and you will then see some listening players there.

Also, Kristin Fontana, another Evolutionary Astrologer, does a weekly radio interview that is archived with past shows too! Here is that link http://www.healthylife.net/RadioShow/archiveGS.htm

And you mentioned Kim Marie too.  I know she has a "Star Lady/Media Monk" Podcast and archives on her website too. Although, she hasnt updated them lately, there still are numerous back dated podcasts that are worth listening to,  even if the transit or whatever she was addressing are passed bc you get the feel for the archetypes through the EA language, you know. I think you must already have her website bc u mentioned her. But I will leave it anyhow -  
http://www.evolutionaryastrology.net/astrology-readings-astrology-forecasts-astrology-horoscope-predictions-podcast/
And btw, I think Ellen meant the correspondence material available on this website, but I can't be sure. And I'm sure Kim Marie's is very good too.

Peace to you,
Dhyana


Title: Re: Pluto ruling more than 1 house?
Post by: adina on Apr 30, 2010, 09:12 AM
Jane,

First, welcome to the School of EA message board!

Second, there are now several different schools out there based on the Jeffrey Wolf Green method, including Kim Marie's, but as Dhyana pointed out, we have a school here as well, which is the original school taught by Jeffrey and available on DVDs now. You can find out more about it here: http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/school/our-store  AND, there are quite a few DVDs by Jeffery covering different aspects of EA in detail, and many transcripts of lectures he's done over the years. One or more of these could help you get your feet wet before investing in the larger DVD sets.

There's also a lot more to check out on the main web site: articles by Jeffrey and blog entry articles by a number of EA graduates, so even though you can't find the books "down under" right now, you could at least get some of J's teachings through the articles.  The main web site is http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com  Enjoy!

Blessings,
Adina


Title: Re: Pluto ruling more than 1 house?
Post by: Steve on Apr 30, 2010, 10:30 AM
Hi Jane

For further clarification, the School of Evolutionary Astrology (this website) offers a 27 DVD video course.  Jeffrey Wolf Green, who originated Evolutionary Astrology and wrote the Pluto Volume one and two books, originally sold a 27 tape VCR course, a recording of his first Pluto School that was taught in Arizona in 1994.  Last year we had Jeffrey's original VCR tapes digitally enhanced and converted to 27 DVD's.   You can find info on that course on the EA School's website at http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/school/our-store  It is the original Pluto School course that has been sold for many years now.

Kim Marie was the official representative of Jeffrey's original work for 5 or 6 years.  That relationship ended 2 or 3 years ago.  The DVD course she now offers is recordings of her teaching Pluto Schools in recent years.

Each student can decide for themselves which course feels like the right one for them.
thank you,
Steve


Title: Re: Pluto ruling more than 1 house?
Post by: stephen on Apr 30, 2010, 11:43 AM
Hi All,

"By caring in the depths of my being, I would lead you to be more than you are."

  I got a bit stuck on thinking on this, and it was just a-runnin' through my head.

 And, thinking about this quote opened up for me this thought path (which assumes a level of self-awareness on the part of the 'you' in the following).  I felt that it might be of interest to the board.  I am sorry if it is not.


  When you are cared for, over time, you begin to care more about yourself.  As you learn to care more about yourself, you can then become able to care more for others.  As you care more for others, you are apt to be more aware of when you cause emotional pain to others.  When you happen to cause pain to others, you may then feel this pain yourself...for you have hurt someone...and you care.  This might be called the First Pain, feeling the pain when you cause another to feel pain.

  As you feel more of the First Pain, through hurting others, you start to analyze where in your life you are habitually causing this pain, and what actions of yours are directly causing this pain to others...through insensitivity, through ignorance, through lack-of-acceptance, through intolerance, through arrogance, through oh so many possible ways.  When you start to uncover these traits in yourself, it can cause you pain to see yourself in this light.  This might be called the Second Pain, feeling the pain of seeing one's self in a more real way.

  As you feel more of the Second Pain, through a clearing self-perception, you might start to analyze where in the past your similar habits, actions and traits have caused pain to others.  As your clarity and self-honesty increases, your ability to spot those past events increases as well, and this might be called the Third Pain, the clear knowledge that you have hurt others many times in the past, and did not even know it!

  As you feel more of the Third Pain, and do not shy away from the increasing clarity and insight into your own motivations, and can maintain honesty and integrity of purpose, you might suddenly ask yourself, 'If I was causing such pain in the past, and did not even know it!, then in a year or two, will I look back upon my current actions, and recognize that I am causing pain to others now and DO NOT EVEN SEE IT!'  This might be called the Fourth Pain, the knowledge that your current actions are causing others (and yourself) emotional pain that goes unrecognized, even in your current increasing state of awareness.

  This Fourth Pain might then lead you to question your every action, not knowing if that action is correct or is causing yourself or another problems/pain/lack of abiliy to easily follow their path.  Your every action might then be judged before being implemented, causing a 'Paralysis of Analysis' which might be called the Fifth Pain, instability in your own self, 'Who am I, really?'

  However, the Fifth Pain might lead to the following: instead of having a 'reactive' consciousness, as before, wherein you react to each life event/circumstance/crisis, you might move into having a more 'active' consciousness, wherein you choose through a deliberate application of your own free will what your action will be in response to each life occurrance.  This might then lead to the Sixth Pain, the assumed inability to break out of your own habits just through the application of your own free will, and the Seventh Pain, wherein you have the strength to break away from your previous self, but your life circumstances and others in your life are perceived to be holding you back.

  Then, in breaking out of your own boundaries and viewing the world (and those you are sharing it with) through diminishing and clearing filters of perception, might come the Eighth Pain, as the resultant disillusionment which that 'true view' can possibly bring.

  Which might bring on the Ninth Pain, 'Who can I share this new view of the World with?'


  That's actually as far as I traveled down that particular thought path, so far.  It is most likely a regurgitation/merging of many things I have read.  Yes, the orientation is on the pain which leads to the awakening, rather than deeply commenting on the various awakenings themselves.  (My 6H Virgo Pluto opposing 12H Pisces Moon/Jupiter/Chiron...??)


  So, once again, what a great quote (Thanks Jane!):

"By caring in the depths of my being, I would lead you to be more than you are."


God'dess Bless,
Stephen

:)


Title: Re: Pluto ruling more than 1 house?
Post by: Elen on Apr 30, 2010, 01:42 PM
Stephen,

Perfect!  That is exactly how I have felt!  Thank you for sharing this.

Wishing you well,
Ellen


Title: Re: Pluto ruling more than 1 house?
Post by: PamS on Apr 30, 2010, 01:53 PM
Hi Jane,


yes welcome....  my experience has been with astrology schools, people of the same ilk seem to be drawn towards the specific teachers.  I have loved astrology since I was a kid, i still read any book that come out.  I never had a fixed idea of what astrology was so when I found Jeffreys book in the early 90's i was like wow this is the stuff I really want to go deep into.  I have never had a reading from anyone, but my intuition said that he was the right person to read for me and I was right.  My chart too is 8th house full to the brim, with pluto 8th house square the nodes - the ruler of my NN in the 8th house everything goes back to that fate and life experience of Scorpio and the 8th house....  Why im telling you all this is that most of us here who  have been drawn to the work of EA have had similar experiences.  Different teachers for different souls and this school seems to draw Plutonian people... so welcome! 


blessings,

pam


Title: Re: Pluto ruling more than 1 house?
Post by: stephen on May 05, 2010, 10:38 AM
Stephen,

Perfect!  That is exactly how I have felt!  Thank you for sharing this.

Wishing you well,
Ellen

Hi Ellen,

You are very welcome!  It really seems to help to know others are in the same feeling-circumstances internally.

Many Blessings on Your Path,
Stephen

:)