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Discussion => Evolutionary Astrology Q&A => Topic started by: Elen on Jul 11, 2010, 07:23 AM

Title: Study Tips
Post by: Elen on Jul 11, 2010, 07:23 AM
Hi All,

I just wanted to start a thread to elicit people's ideas re: study tips.  I find it difficult to sit down and really digest this material.  It always makes perfect sense when I read it, but keeping it in my memory banks seems to be quite a challenge; it does NOT lend itself, in my experience, to simple things like memorization.  That's ok.  But just wondering how others go about studying the materials.

Thanks a million.

Ellen

PS  I was also thinking that this would be a good thread to have for others who come along down the road.
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: adina on Jul 11, 2010, 01:22 PM
Hi Ellen,

Good question. I think you're experiencing what many of us experienced when we started learning EA, actually. That said, learning the key concepts of the archetypes through JWG's Pluto Books and Deva's EA book, plus watching the EA School Videos is your base. Beyond that it's "simply" practice, practice, practice as the only way to really learn and integrate the archetypes.

I'd also suggest that if you don't have Patricia Walsh's Book (Understanding Karmic Complexes: Evolutionary Astrology and Regression Therapy), that you add that to your EA library. Pat includes extensive lists of key words for each of the archetypes, explains both the left and right-brain approaches to reading a chart, and has an index of the archetypes that outlines their empowered form, along with possible ways the archetype may have been wounded in past lives and/or carried over into this life, tons of example charts and much more. You can read more about it on our main website: http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/school/understanding-karmic-complexes-by-patricia-walsh

And last.... again, practice, practice practice like some of the students are doing in the practice thread.

Hope this helps.

Blessings, Adina
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Deva on Jul 11, 2010, 01:37 PM
Hi Ellen, wanted to give my input on study tips that may be helpful for you. I looked at your natal chart and you have Mercury RX conjunct the SN in Capricorn and Jupiter square the nodal axis so I understand that memorization doesn't work for you. My advice would be to grasp the whole of what is being learned first-not all of the individual facts/details (intuitively work with what you are studying-Jupiter square the nodal axis) and allow all the individual parts/facts naturally come together. For example-if you are studying the archetypes-grasp what the whole archetype is about first-i.e Capricorn is about the structure of consciousness, and then go into the specific correlations of that archetype. Also, because mercury is RX conjunct the SN in your chart I would recommend that you study what topics are most relevant and important to you at any specific time. For example if you are studying a chart with a specific signature that is emphasized focus on studying the individual compenants of that signature.  Another good idea in general is to apply work with whatever you are studying in a specific chart. In other words, if you are studying Pluto aspects-look at a chart of somebody who has a number of Pluto transits and work with the chart in order to apply what is being learned in a practical way. 
Hope this helps, and please let me know if anything I have written is unclear.
God Bless
Deva
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Elen on Jul 11, 2010, 05:42 PM
Hi Adina & Deva,

Wonderful tips!  Thank you so much.

Peace,
Ellen
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Bradley J on Jul 11, 2010, 08:36 PM
personally, i've been carrying around the pluto book I for a year and a half.
rereading the chapters relative to assignments and clients, over and over.
still feel i have a lot to learn from this book.
6 months ago, talking to someone at the co-op about 12/pisces, i found myself stumbling to communicate the meaning of this archetype relative to EA. 
finally, i am beginning to grasp this. 
personally, i also enjoy watching dvds repeatedly while doing chores or eating and cooking.

blessings on the journey,
bradley
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Linda on Jul 11, 2010, 11:22 PM
Hi Ellen,

I also have Mercury Rx in Capricorn (mine's in the 3rd house), and have found it difficult to memorize the EA material.  It really does take practice...and it's step by step. 

Once something is "understood" it can then be incorporated into your body of knowledge.  There is just so much here with EA, it is so full and deep, that it really is like going on a journey.

It's helpful also to read the MB every day.  Here again, you probably won't remember everything, but in time will understand more and more.  Once you've read something a number of times, and from different perspectives, it will embed in your memory.

I also think it's important not to worry about it - to be courageous enough to be yourself, and to use your own "style".  Just go at your own pace.

It took me quite a while to get the practice charts right, and even now I have a very long way to go, but appreciate Rad's assistance so much.  If there's something that you're not grasping, the more experienced here will surely point it out.  We all learn from your questions.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Linda on Jul 11, 2010, 11:30 PM
When putting together a practice chart, I read through the relevant chapters in Pluto I and the DVD material - and using a pencil will underline and asterisk information that seems relevant to the karmic signature.  I type up a bunch of notes on each chapter, and then try and merge them all together.

Sometimes in the middle of the night I may suddenly understand how the dynamics work!  I find listening to radio programs extremely helpful too, such as Kristin Fontana and her guests.

Astrology is a massive undertaking that could take a lifetime (or several) to master.  You become an active participant in the practice - your intuition is working alongside the material.
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Rad on Jul 12, 2010, 11:52 AM
Hi Ellen,

Another thing that can be helpful is to do as many charts for 'free' as possible. And, of course, to present yourself as a student who is learning. Thus, you can have a person in front of you in which you see this or that dynamic from an EA point of view and then ask them if they feel it is true or not. This then creates a meaningful interaction between you and them in which, progressively, you can then 'observe and correlate' to actual people. In combination with the other ideas that have been offered here, all relevant, it will help you, over time, to deeply grasp the archetypes of EA.

God Bless, Rad
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Elen on Jul 12, 2010, 06:16 PM
Hi Bradley, Linda & Rad,

Thank you so much for your tips and for relating your experiences.  Time, patience, practice, exposure, correlation - one layer at a time.  Then it will eventually embed - organically.

Peace,
Ellen

Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Linda on Aug 11, 2010, 06:40 AM
Quote from: Linda on Jul 11, 2010, 11:30 PM
I find listening to radio programs extremely helpful too, such as Kristin Fontana and her guests.


Ellen and everyone,

I must not forget to mention Steve Wolfson's site.  I have found Steve's radio interviews to be especially helpful in understanding what this paradigm is all about, in straight-forward, easy to understand, informative language. 

I've been involved in computer work for many years now, and nowadays it's such a relief to be able to listen to an occasional radio program discussing EA or other areas of astrology, without having to read the computer screen which gives me eye strain. 

Thank you Steve, Deva, Rad and everyone here for your time, energy and great assistance!
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Upasika on Aug 11, 2010, 08:34 AM
Hi Ellen,

I find it just the same. And over time I've done most of the things suggested above, some things more than others, and at different times as I felt my way with what worked for me best. And when I've tried them those things have all been helpful.

One of the other things I'm doing is slowly working my way through Pluto Vol I & II, writing out short one or two sentence summaries in my own words of every paragraph for Pluto in each house, and Mars & Venus in each sign. It's probably not everyone's cup of tea or idea of fun, and sometimes it seems a bit laborious, but it's my background "homework" I do for myself when I have a spare day here and there (so sometimes big gaps when no progress is made). But mostly I enjoy it as I love EA, and slowly I'm building up a big folder of the material, all in my own words. And it's great to read over it for strengthening my memory, as it's summarised and being in my own words tends to stick in my brain easier, or for my own reference when I'm reading a chart and needing more info.

... but, in the same way Bradley was describing, I still go blank on a regular basis !
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Linda on Aug 11, 2010, 05:54 PM
Upasika,

Several years ago I had also taken short-form notes of Pluto I.  I had to get out of the habit of being fearful of making a mistake or changing the true meaning of his words if I used my own words (perhaps something to do with Saturn in Sag in my case).

Each time I do a Practice Chart I take notes - fresh notes - of a chapter all over again.  Each time, there seems to be NEW dynamics that are uncovered - as well as new understandings - in the context of the new chart.  You are right:  it's important to get that framework or foundation correct in the first place.

Deva said:  My advice would be to grasp the whole of what is being learned first - not all of the individual facts/details (intuitively work with what you are studying - Jupiter square the nodal axis) and allow all the individual parts/facts naturally come together. For example - if you are studying the archetypes - grasp what the whole archetype is about first - i.e. Capricorn is about the structure of consciousness, and then go into the specific correlations of that archetype.

I seem to get so lost in all the details.  Perhaps we could start a new topic in which we could work on understanding the whole of an archetype, instead of all its individual parts?
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Elen on Aug 11, 2010, 07:18 PM
Linda & Upasika,

Thank you!  Wonderful ideas!

Linda,
I like the idea of starting a thread re:understanding the whole archetype.  At the moment I am quite swamped with my personal training studies, so probably could not participate a ton.  But I would certainly make an effort to follow the thread and perhaps share a thought here or there (if I happened to have one!  :D)

Peace,
Ellen
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Elen on Aug 11, 2010, 07:24 PM
Quote from: Linda on Jul 11, 2010, 11:22 PM

It's helpful also to read the MB every day.  Here again, you probably won't remember everything, but in time will understand more and more.  Once you've read something a number of times, and from different perspectives, it will embed in your memory.


Hi Linda,

This one I'm going to try to do more of specifically re: the practice charts thread.  I have been intentionally not reading them because I wanted to jump in when I was ready to participate and just start from scratch, thinking it through on my own.  But clearly I will not be able to participate any time soon.  So I think your advice here is perfect - read along and let absorb in what absorbs in.  Somehow, I had thought of that as cheating.... Starting to see it's not at all; it's just an opportunity to learn at wherever I happen to be...

Peace,
Ellen
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Upasika on Aug 11, 2010, 08:10 PM
Hi Linda & Ellen,

I also have Saturn in Sag ! so thats interesting. I was never concerned too much about changing the meaning of the words, as I figured if I couldn't manage to somehow be able to express it in my own words then it'd mean I was just parroting it, and didn't really understand it for myself. But of course making a mistake or changing the meaning can happen, and I guess it was a risk I was willing to take. I suppose I was trusting if I was getting it too wrong I'd get pulled up by someone on the MB at some point, a sort of built in correcting factor. Also by summarising each chunk in that way, it forced me to move out of the details into the essence of what was written.

I have Mercury direct natally, but shortly afterwards it went retrograde by progression and stayed that way most of my life until very recently, so I also found I would be concentrating on parts of the Pluto books that seemed useful and relevant to me whenever I sat down to do my notetaking, it was never a linear, lets work through this one chapter after another kind of thing. Sometimes when I am doing a chart and see something I want to refresh my understanding of I will go to that part of the book to do that, but if I had the time, I'd create notes for that part then and there instead of just reading the book and then getting straight back to interpreting the chart. Bit haphazard but it's been really helpful, gradually things have sunk in more.

And I found the same, sometimes going back to a place in the book I'd been before and rereading it I'd see so much more and understand it deeper.

The idea of an archetypes thread would be great, but I'm also a bit like you Ellen, I don't have much spare time at the moment. I put a burst in on your EA stage as I was keen to see that through to completion, and if I do get any more appreciable spare time my first priority is to get going in the practice charts. But it's a really good idea, I like it.

blessings Upasika

Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Linda on Aug 11, 2010, 09:18 PM
Ellen,

Like you, I wanted to think for myself, but I found that reading others' thoughts and insights filled out, and, in many instances, corrected my understanding of this paradigm.  That's why this MB is so special and helpful to us students.  I'm amazed at how much one can learn by reading the MB every day.


Upasika,

It was really helpful reading how you are able to condense a paragraph into your own words, and how you refresh your understanding by going back to relevant sections of the book(s).  In that sense, we are all learning how to formulate our own ideas around this paradigm, ensuring that they are accurate, and using our intuition to actually pinpoint or grasp the meaning of an archetype.  I can certainly do with a lot of practice in this area. 

The Practice Charts thread is amazing, because it has given me the opportunity to actually buckle down and do the work, and get feedback from Rad as well.  I've learned a lot from making mistakes along the way too.   

As for a prospective "Understanding the whole of an archetype" thread, I need to devote time to the present practice chart, but I'll be endeavouring to start the archetype thread some time in the near future, unless someone else would like to start one now - and also if this idea is acceptable to the moderators.
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Upasika on Aug 13, 2010, 12:03 AM
Hi Linda,

I was thinking more about this idea for a thread ... and feel it would be a wonderful resource, especially for example for using when doing the practice charts. Like Ellen I might not be able to contribute much in the beginning, but later on I would be able to. I feel its great you want to set it up in a little while.

Upasika
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Elen on Aug 13, 2010, 11:47 PM
Hi Linda, Upasika, All,

Just throwing out an idea for the proposed thread (for whenever it manifests).  Perhaps that could be a place to go through each archetype and each of us do what Upasika does - go through it paragraph by paragraph and post our summaries.  Or one person could post theirs and others could comment, etc....

Linda,
I don't know exacly what you had in mind and I don't mean to impose my own idea onto your proposal; I am open to anything you propose. I just wanted to throw this out as a possibility simply because I liked Upasika's approach in his own studies and thought it might be a fun way to practice/study EA together.

Peace,
Ellen
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: ari moshe on Aug 14, 2010, 12:16 AM
I really like that idea too!
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Linda on Aug 14, 2010, 05:16 AM
Ellen, Ari, Upasika, others who are interested:

"Understanding the Archetypes"

There's no reason why we cannot amalgamate all approaches.  I had a few other ideas to add:

*  To begin a new thread for each archetype, e.g. "Understanding the Aries/Mars/1st Archetype."
*  Anyone can join in at any time.
*  That we begin when the present Practice Chart has been completed.


1.  To begin work on each archetype as Deva suggested:  

Deva said:  "My advice would be to grasp the whole of what is being learned first - not all of the individual facts/details (intuitively work with what you are studying.....) and allow all the individual parts/facts to naturally come together.  For example - if you are studying the archetypes - grasp what the whole archetype is about first - i.e. Capricorn is about the structure of consciousness, and then go into the specific correlations of that archetype."

We could then go into the specific correlations of that archetype, such as:

2.  A para by para summary using Upasika's method.
3.  How the archetype manifests in a distorted way.
4.  How it can manifest when resistance is offered.  
5.  How it has manifested as a result of patriarchal conditioning.
6.  How it manifests on individual and collective levels.
7.  How it is expressed in the Natural Law of giving, sharing and inclusion.
8.  Comparing the different expressions in Consensus / Individuated / Spiritual stages.
9.  How one could cooperate with that archetype so as to improve/evolve that area.
10.  How to assist clients with difficult issues around that archetype.
11.  To post and discuss example charts where that archetype is prominent.

Send your suggestions - we'll add them to the list.

We would need the permission of the moderators first.
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Upasika on Aug 14, 2010, 08:04 AM
Hi Linda and all,

That looks to be a very good structure for the threads.

One thing that struck me though was that (assuming the moderators are OK with it), it would obviously be a "topic" (whole series of interconnected threads) that would grow very large in size, and by implication potentially extend in time and effort almost without limit as the topic is so big. I think that's fine as it would be creating a wonderful core resource, but we may not want it to take over to the exclusion of everything else.

For example we might not want it competing too strongly for the time we have to do the practice charts which are very valuable too. So maybe each thread (eg Aries/1st/Mars) in this new topic would need to be done in measured bursts interspersed with other topics on the MB such as practice charts and other general questions that are always arising. Kind of time sharing with other topics. What does everyone think?

Upasika
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: bluesky on Aug 14, 2010, 10:24 AM
sounds like a great idea.
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: ari moshe on Aug 14, 2010, 10:42 AM
Hi All,

Here's what I have to add to Linda's list:
- Physiological associations with the archetypes. One thing that we can explore is "why" does any particular physiology/health issue etc correlate to any particular archetype. The "why" would be answered based on our understanding of the essence of the archetype, and then the appropriate observation and correlation.

One approach, if this interests ya'll and the moderators agree, would be that whoever posts on that thread would work, on their own, through all the various correlations as if it was an assignment to be completed by each individual (like the practice thread). This way it keeps the focus, and each one of us can approach the thread and give it our all when we are ready. Of course we would also have the opportunity to read what other people write and interact with that.

Ari Moshe
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Elen on Aug 14, 2010, 12:00 PM
Hi All,

I think Upasika brings up a good point and Ari's suggestion might just be a solution (assuming the moderators approve this idea).  (I would not be able to participate beyond reading what others write and asking questions/commenting on it as I have my hands full with my pt coursework.)  One other possibility is simply focusing on one of the segments that Linda outlines at at time, then taking a break, then moving on to the next.  Not sure if that would actually work in actuality, but just a thought.  Also, if we just focused on one segment at a time (ie, Aries - overarching archeype), we could then start up a new thread with each new segment (ie, Aries - paragraph summaries could be a thread of its own).  My thinking on this is that, as Upasika pointed out, this process would become quite extensive.  Breaking it up would perhaps make it easier to reference later and also perhaps keep us focused on the specific area we're working on.

Just some thoughts.   

Ellen
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Elen on Aug 14, 2010, 12:03 PM
PS I also agree that the Practice Charts need to take precedence as I think that is where the "meat" of the learning takes place...
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Rad on Aug 14, 2010, 02:27 PM
All of you,

I think these ideas you are all coming up with for a new thread are really wonderful. And I would encourage you to do so. As a moderator I will read through all that each of you write with a pretty much 'hands off' attitude unless I feel something really is off base, and stays that way. You can also let me know what role you would like me to take.

God Bless, Rad
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Linda on Aug 14, 2010, 09:12 PM
Rad:

"UNDERSTANDING THE ARCHETYPES"

Thank you so much for your kind offer of Moderation for the proposed series of threads, "Understanding the Archetypes - Aries, Taurus, Gemini...."

If you agree, it would be great if you could read through our work/contributions and offer corrections when necessary in the role of Principal Moderator.  Since you are quite busy, we would only hear from you in the event that something was going off-base.  Other committee members/experienced members could offer contributions/support along the way (subject to their agreement and availability).

As Upasika commented, we don't want to dominate the MB with this project, but weave it into the existing structure in a way that takes into account the time that is necessary to fulfill work in the Practice Chart and other MB topics.


Ari:

I like your idea that whomever posts would work, on their own, through all the various correlations as if it were an assignment to be completed by each individual.  We could also work on Parts I, II and III separately so as to be able to compare and discuss our work with each other as we go along.  This is a long-range project for sure!


Everyone:

Here's one way the structure could be built:


Principal Moderator:  Rad


Expert Reviewers:  Other more experienced members - to read and make contributions if they wish.


Facilitators:  Linda, Ari, Bluesky, Bradley, Ellen, Upasika - subject to agreement and availability.  A core group of Facilitators could share the responsibility of commencing new threads for each Archetype (Parts I, II and III).


Resources:
*  JWG's books
*  Deva's books
*  Pluto School DVD course
*  MB Resources, EA Websites
*  Books such as Patricia Walsh's "Understanding Karmic Complexes:  Evolutionary Astrology and Regression Therapy"
*  Example charts


Part I   :  Grasping and understanding the WHOLE archetype first.  To share, compare and discuss our findings with each other, with everyone joining in.  

Quote by Deva:
 "My advice would be to grasp the whole of what is being learned first - not all of the individual facts/details (intuitively work with what you are studying.....) and allow all the individual parts/facts to naturally come together.  For example - if you are studying the archetypes - grasp what the whole archetype is about first - i.e. Capricorn is about the structure of consciousness, and then go into the specific correlations of that archetype."


Part II
 :  Specific correlations of the archetypes (a brief and concise summary of each item).  Once again, to share, compare and discuss our findings with each other.  Attempt all or any of the following:

1.   Possible ways the archetype may have been wounded in past lives due to patriarchal conditioning (eg historical correlations).
2.   Possible ways the archetype may have been carried over into the present life (behavioural patterns, distortion, resistance, trauma, shock, etc.)
3.   An outline of the archetype in its empowered form, as an expression of the Natural Law of giving, sharing and inclusion.
4.   Comparison of the archetype in the Consensus / Individuated / Spiritual stages.
5.   How the archetype manifests on Individual and Collective levels (eg nations).
6.   Physiological associations with the archetype.  "Why" does any particular physiology/health issue etc correlate to the archetype.
7.   How to assist clients with difficult issues by improving/evolving that area.
8.   To discuss sample charts where that archetype is prominent.
9.   Sign polarity catch phrases, eg Virgo/Pisces - "practical idealism."


Part III
:  Paragraph summaries of the archetypes (in our own words) based on Pluto I.


Naming of threads:  

Aries   - Understanding the Whole Archetype  (first thread coming soon)
Taurus - Understanding the Whole Archetype
Gemini - Understanding the Whole Archetype
etc..........

Aries   - Specific Correlations of the Archetype  (first thread coming soon)
Taurus - Specific Correlations of the Archetype
Gemini - Specific Correlations of the Archetype
etc..........

Aries   - Paragraph Summary of the Archetype   (first thread coming soon)
Taurus - Paragraph Summary of the Archetype
Gemini - Paragraph Summary of the Archetype
etc..........


Timing:   Whomever is ready now can commence work on either/all Parts I, II and/or III of this project focusing on the ARIES ARCHETYPE first.  The first three threads (Aries - Parts I, II, III) will be created very soon.  Others who are presently working on the current Practice Chart can join in whenever they are ready.  It's important to understand that the Practice Charts thread and current/upcoming MB topics will take precedence over this new project.  We need to take a very flexible approach, and fine-tune as we go along.



Please send your further suggestions which will be incorporated into the above, if you agree, and Rad can give the final go-ahead.
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Elen on Aug 14, 2010, 10:06 PM
this is just a test.  for some reason i'm not seeing any of the new posts on this thread, including my last post, so just checking to see if this posts...  Mercury's shadow seems to have begun.
Ellen
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: bluesky on Aug 14, 2010, 11:37 PM
Hi everyone, I would like to say that I will probably mainly be reading along, taking all the info in.  More likely to ask questions, than anything!  I'm looking forward to this getting started.  I have also been thinking along the lines of sign polarity "catch phrases", if that doesn't sound shallow.

Such as virgo/pisces - "practical idealism".
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: ari moshe on Aug 14, 2010, 11:42 PM
I wanted to let everyone know that Patricia Walsh's book "karmic complexes" does a pretty good job of covering various essential qualities of the archetypes and then working with left brain associations a good deal. Im really enjoying her book.
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Linda on Aug 15, 2010, 02:15 AM
Ellen,

Your Reply #27 has come through okay.  Thanks for reminding us of the Mercury Rx shadow period.  We need to get started quickly!  Luckily the original intention for this project took place on 11th August - just before the shadow period!  Mercury in Virgo should be good for all the nitty-gritty.


Bluesky and Ari,

Thanks for your feedback.  I'll add your suggestions to the list.

Looking at the above proposal, if we all had a go, and made a contribution, no matter how small, then it could work.  Let's see what happens.  Some of us who'd just prefer to read and make comments along the way would be providing valuable contributions/feedback also.  

I'm thinking that the paragraph summaries (Part III) could take place after Mercury goes Direct, due to the heavy workload for not just ourselves but for Rad also, unless anyone would just like to begin on it now as a private endeavour.  

With all the cardinal energies around, perhaps we just need to start and see where it leads!

Any other thoughts?  Shall we begin?  Okay, I'm going to take the initiative now, and commence the new topics.
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Dhyana on Aug 15, 2010, 04:47 AM
Thank you all my dear EA friends for all these tips! I may not be posting as much as I had before, because I am going through some very intense inner healing and deepening, so I am more inward these days. -- but I am always reading this board. Please know I am so grateful for you all putting in all this effort here. It really really helps and supports us who are serious about using EA as a vehicle for authentic awakening.

All Love To You
Dhyana
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Elen on Aug 15, 2010, 12:14 PM
Hi Linda, All,

Psyched about all this.  Will participate as able.

Ellen

PS  I am now seeing all the posts.  Yeah!
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: ari moshe on Aug 15, 2010, 01:33 PM
Hi Linda,

QuoteI'm thinking that the paragraph summaries (Part III) could take place after Mercury goes Direct, due to the heavy workload for not just ourselves but for Rad also, unless anyone would just like to begin on it now as a private endeavour.   

:D I think Mercury retorgrade is a great time to get started on the "understanding the whole archetype" section as Mercury rx is a time to really practice letting go of our attachment to "knowing", thus allowing the left brain to operate based on the intuition of the right brain- not the other way around as we are so apt to do in this culture.

Thank you so much for getting this organized and started Linda.

God Bless
Ari Moshe
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Linda on Aug 15, 2010, 06:31 PM
Ellen, Ari and Dhyana,

Looking forward to sharing and working with you all.  

Perhaps it would have been better to start with the Virgo archetype (Sun moves into Virgo soon) - that way the Sun will shed more light on the issues for us. And we can devote one month to each archetype, as the Sun moves through the zodiac.  

I've taken the initiative again and changed the first archetype to Virgo. 
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Elen on Aug 15, 2010, 08:28 PM
Quote from: Linda on Aug 15, 2010, 06:31 PM
Ellen, Ari and Dhyana,

Looking forward to sharing and working with you all.  

Perhaps it would have been better to start with the Virgo archetype (Sun moves into Virgo soon) - that way the Sun will shed more light on the issues for us. And we can devote one month to each archetype, as the Sun moves through the zodiac.  

I've taken the initiative again and changed the first archetype to Virgo. 

Great idea, Linda!  And I want to ditto what Ari said - thanks for starting this idea and getting it going.

Ellen
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Upasika on Aug 16, 2010, 06:44 PM
Hi Linda,

Great work.

Also just wondering, since Pluto Vol II covers Mars and Venus in each of the signs, what would you think about adding a section for those planets in the Specific Correlations thread for each sign archetype?
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Linda on Aug 16, 2010, 07:25 PM
That's a good idea too, Upasika!

I'll add Venus/Mars correlations to the list, that is:   Venus/Mars in Virgo.

You'll notice that it was mentioned earlier that the Paragraph Summaries thread could commence some time in October due to high number of "working" threads at the moment:  Practice Charts, Determining EA of a Child, Whole Archetypes, Correlations to the Archetypes.  I'm still working on the current Practice Chart.  And I've taken into consideration that Rad could be quite busy too.

If you have the time and inclination, you may be interested in hosting the Paragraph Summaries thread (either now or later). 

I'm hoping that those who have expressed interest in the new threads will be able to contribute something, no matter how small. 

I think it'll be great once we get going on these projects!
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Linda on Aug 17, 2010, 11:25 PM
Hi everyone,

For various reasons, Upasika and I have decided (via personal message) to
drop the idea of paragraph summaries. 

I think it's a great idea to do as part of one's personal study, but perhaps
not quite suitable for the MB.
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: mountainheather on Dec 02, 2010, 05:44 PM
Hi all, I just read this thread, I must have missed it during the summer holidays. Great info!!
I have a general question about studying the archetypes. I seem to learn the archetypes by looking at how they are in my own life, and then questions arise about my self and then I feel I am not studying ea but myself and my own psychology... so how does one learn from direct experience of these archetypes AND be objective at the same time?  Hoping this makes sense, thanks for any replies! Heather
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: Steve on Dec 02, 2010, 08:10 PM
Hi Heather

Quote from: mountainheather on Dec 02, 2010, 05:44 PM
Hi all, I just read this thread, I must have missed it during the summer holidays. Great info!!
I have a general question about studying the archetypes. I seem to learn the archetypes by looking at how they are in my own life, and then questions arise about my self and then I feel I am not studying ea but myself and my own psychology... so how does one learn from direct experience of these archetypes AND be objective at the same time?  Hoping this makes sense, thanks for any replies! Heather

My ten cents is there is no difference between studying yourself and your own psychology, and studying the archetypes of EA.  From yourself you learn specific application.  Observing in others, gradually you will see how the principles (archetypes) behind your specific application are actualized by others.  Their behaviors and psychology will be unique to them.  Yet you will increasingly recognize the underlying principles operating in them are the same ones you feel in yourself that you actualize in your own way.  In other words, you are learning by going from the specific to the general.

That is just as valid a way to learn as starting with the general (overview) and moving to the specific.   One is bottom - up, the other top - down. 

One way you can improve personal objectivity over time is through observing how others play out these same archetypes in their lives.  Then you can observe yourself (objectivity) putting the archetypes into practice in your life in your own unique way (subjectivity), thus being in it and observing it simultaneously.

Does this make sense?
Steve
Title: Re: Study Tips
Post by: mountainheather on Dec 04, 2010, 02:52 PM
Thanks Steve,
What you've said makes sense. Learning this is a deeply personal process at times for me and I tend to question my motivations when asking questions and as I learn. The rule of no personal counselling on this forum is one that I am nervous about contravening at times, since as I am learning I am inevitably looking to my own experience for information. I noticed since your response, though that I do tend to see the archetypes and chart dynamics as "stories "which I can look at more objectively with a better view to see patterns. So what you are saying is that the top down or down up, micro/macro ,personal/objective views are something we can move in and out of order toeventually gain objectivity in counselling others?

Something morefor me to contemplate. Thank you. Heather