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Title: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: jasonholley on Jan 02, 2012, 02:32 PM
Hi all, and Happy New Year.

So I am launching this thread and so looking forward to our work together.  I hope as many people as are moved will contribute, at any and all levels of knowledge relative to evolutionary astrology as taught by JWG.  We are fortunate that Rad will be guiding, directing, and providing feedback on our work at every step of the way.

The purpose of this thread would be to understand sexuality through the EA paradigm.  Specifically, to understand the sexual nature of a given Soul and particularly its sexual desires relative to the overall karmic past and evolutionary intentions of the Soul.  Beyond descriptions of sexual patterns, the question “why?” would be the focus: why this gender, this orientation, this sexual experience, and so on.

Some of the material that we can cover in the thread:

SEX AND SEXUALITY
-Mars/1st House/Aries/Nodes of Mars: Instinctual desire nature of the Soul
-Venus/2nd House/Taurus/Nodes of Venus:  Sexual needs, values, orientations
-Pluto/8th House/Scorpio/Nodes of Pluto: Sexual encounters, experiences, and partners
-The Pluto/Mars, Pluto/Venus, and Mars/Venus Cycles: Development of sexual themes across lifetimes
-The use of asteroids to flesh out particular sexual archetypes and patterns, in particular I would like to suggest: the four goddess asteroids (Ceres, Pallas, Vesta, Juno); Persephone; Eros; Psyche; Cupido; Dionysus; Pan; Ganymede; Adonis; Lust; [update: Sappho, Amor added to this list; Circe subtracted, my error about the myth].  I have found many of these very useful, provided they are interpreted in the context of a correct understanding of the karmic and primary sexual axes of the chart.

GENDER AND GENDER IDENTITY
-Moon/4th House/Cancer/Nodes of Moon and Saturn/10th House/Capricorn/Nodes of Saturn: Relation to anima/animas, masculine/feminine dimensions of duality
-Saturn/Moon Cycle: Development of gender identity in the context of the structuring of consciousness in a given evolutionary cycle of lifetimes

...and more according to the interests of the group.

I am posting now two more messages, one with existing written resources for working with sexuality through the EA paradigm, and another proposing the first chart we can look at together.

God bless,
Jason


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: jasonholley on Jan 02, 2012, 02:40 PM
Hi all,

So one of the first things I wanted to post is a list of EA resources on the topic of sexuality, both for all of us to review and reference, and also for future students of the EA paradigm who come to the site.  One thing about JWG’s writing is that sexuality, as a part of life, is always interwoven and so there is learning to be had in all of his materials.  But there are parts of his body of work that specifically hone in on this.

BOOKS

Pluto Volume 2: The Soul’s Evolution through Relationships, by JWG
- Entire book is useful for this topic, but especially:
- “Social, Cultural, Parental, and Religious Imprinting”
- “The Nature and Function of Venus”
- “The Nature and Function of Mars”
- “The Phasal Relationship of Mars and Venus”

Essays in Evolutionary Astrology, by JWG, edited by Deva Green
- “Understanding the Sexual Archetypes and Evolutionary Astrology”
- “Saturn, Capricorn, and the 10th House: Chaos and Dark Eros”

DVD’s

Pluto School Segment 2, by JWG
- Entire program is useful for this topic.

Capricorn: The Nature of Dark Eros, by JWG

CD’s

Evolutionary Astrology and Sexuality, by JWG

Message Board Posts – I’ve included who initiated or hosted the threads because it is inspiring to me to see how many of us have contributed to the growth and expansion of the message board over time, many of you before my time here.  And obviously Rad is the common voice of guidance and direction through all of these materials.  

Compilation of EA paradigm references to homosexuality (Gonzalo)
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,320.0.html

Gender Switch Questions and Answers (Ellen)
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,207.0.html
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,537.0.html

Tantra and Sexual Energy (Sunyata)
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,472.0.html

Archetype Threads on archetypes particularly associated with sexuality (Linda):
-Aries (Ari): http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,438.0.html
-Taurus (Lucius): http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,463.0.html
-Scorpio (Deva): http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,334.0.html

Asteroid Goddesses – Divine Feminine (Linda)
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,309.0.html

Some In-Depth Sexual Analyses
(To prevent any confusion I have included only those analyses validated in their entirety by Rad, but there are several other great analyses with only minor corrections in the relevant threads)

- Of Lady Gaga (March 28, 1986; 10:55pm; Yonkers, NY; 3rd Individuated): http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,544.msg8912.html#msg8912 (Kristin)
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,544.msg8913.html#msg8913 (Jason)
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,544.msg8917.html#msg8917 (Gonzalo)

- Of John Lennon (October 9, 1940; 6:30pm; Liverpool, England; 1st Spiritual):
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,459.msg7586.html#msg7586 (Gonzalo)
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,459.msg7574.html#msg7574 (Mirta)
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,459.msg7576.html#msg7576 and http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,459.msg7579.html#msg7579 (Jason)
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,459.msg7582.html#msg7582 (Kristin)

- Of Yoko Ono (February 18, 1933; 8:30pm; Tokyo, Japan; 2nd Individuated):
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,459.msg7859.html#msg7859 (Jason)
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,459.msg7866.html#msg7866 (Mirta)
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,459.msg7867.html#msg7867 (Gray)
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,459.msg7874.html#msg7874 (Gonzalo)
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,459.msg7881.html#msg7881 (Kristin)
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,459.msg7908.html#msg7908 (Ari)

- Of a white male, born into upper middle economic conditions, no specific religious conditioning, born in Canada, who is in the last stages of the 1st Stage Individuated evolutionary condition, who has Pluto in Virgo conjunct Uransu in the 2nd House, S.Node is in Scorpio in the 5th House, N.Node in Taurus in the 11th, and it's ruler Venus in Aqaurius in the 7th, and it's squaring the Nodes (Gonzalo): http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,21.msg2039.html#msg2039

Non-astrology books on sexual topics recommended by JWG:

Sacred Pleasure, Riane Eisler
Encyclopedia Of Unusual Sex Practices, Brenda Love
Pre-history: Four Million Years Of Of Human Sexual Culture, Timothy Taylor  

I am sure there are additional materials that I am not aware of.  It would be great if anyone has any additional resources to add to this list, please post and I will edit this message to include them.  

God bless,
Jason


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: jasonholley on Jan 02, 2012, 02:44 PM
Hi all,

So in terms of beginning to explore the topic, I would like to suggest Michael Jackson would be a good candidate, given that he is well known, his entire life is well-documented, there is considerable material about his sexual life available, and there is now a good birthtime verified by ISAR and others.  I vetted the idea with Rad and he is up for this idea.  Would those participating be interested in looking at his chart together as our first foray here?

To give a bit of background, Rad has stated that his evolutionary condition is 3rd stage individuated.  I am attaching below a copy of his chart, based on this data: August 29, 1958; 7:33pm; Gary, Indiana, USA.  Also, here are a few links if you are interested in getting enough of a sense of him to decide if you would like to look at his chart.  I’ll post a lot more biographical data, particularly relative to his sexual life, if the group agrees to start with his chart.

Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_jackson

Articles about Jackson’s Sexuality:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_big_idea/2005/06/arrested_development.html
http://www.science20.com/j_michael_bailey/was_michael_jackson_pedophile
http://us.altermedia.info/media-watchdog/michael-jackson-the-psychoanalysis-of-a-very-queer-man_455.html (not well-written but a lot of information)

Site with Many Videos:
http://obtusity.blogspot.com/2007/04/depth-of-focus-michael-jackson.html

So I guess the place to start would be with any questions about anything in the prior two posts, and also to get everyone's feedback about beginning with Michael Jackson.

Looking forward to sharing another learning adventure together . . . I’ve missed our group during the break!

God bless,
Jason


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Elen on Jan 02, 2012, 07:00 PM
Hi Jason,

I haven't been able to visit the mb lately and not sure about the future.  Very interested in this topic and will at least try to follow along.  Very glad this will be explored on the mb!  Thank you for facilitating it...

Peace,
Elen


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: ari moshe on Jan 03, 2012, 04:50 PM
Wow, thank you for holding this space Jason. This is a very meaningful and important thread. Until I feel the inner space to be more involved, for now I will just be a listener and follow along.
God bless,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Kristin on Jan 04, 2012, 10:28 AM
Hi Jason,

Wow I am so impressed with all of the wonderful resources you offered here for this thread and with how you set it up for the participants. Thank you so much for bringing your experience of this topic to the board. As I mentioned before the break, count me in, and yes to the chart of MJ, it sounds just right considering how much information is out there to help with the analysis.

Goddess Bless,
PEACE,
Kristin


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Upasika on Jan 04, 2012, 04:26 PM
Hi Jason,

Thank you! Looks like this will be a great thread that you've set up, very juicy. Although I'd love to be able to participate I'm largely tied up with medical procedures these days, and wont be available for that kind of involvement. But I'm looking forward to going over it all later in Feb sometime when I'm back on deck more.

blessings
Upasika


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Gonzalo on Jan 04, 2012, 08:08 PM
Hi Jason

Thanks so much for preparing this material for the start of this thread ... I'll be happy to participate in this learning adventure ...

God Bless,

Gonzalo


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: mirta on Jan 05, 2012, 08:07 AM
Hi Jason,

Your presentation of the thread was to me already a learning (and teaching) experience. Thanks so much for the resources you provided.
I would agree with Michael Jackson’s chart only because of trust in your and Rad’s deep knowledge about the subject. But reading the articles you selected with the psychological considerations and discriminations, aroused my own interest, thank you. It is very important having the material’s quality selection done by you.
I am ready to begin this learning journey.

Some questions: in what Cupido differs from Eros in the astrological interpretation?
Is there some asteroids interpretation material besides Demetra George’s Asteroid Goddesses?
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and the thoughtfulness you had in it.
God Bless
Mirta


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Linda on Jan 05, 2012, 04:23 PM
Hi Jason,
I will be happy to participate in this thread.
Michael Jackson's chart would be good to use.
I am starting to read from the list of resources
that you have provided.
Thanks for organizing this so well - and I look forward
to another wonderful learning experience with you,
Rad and members.
Peace,
Linda


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Steven on Jan 06, 2012, 08:55 AM
Hi Jason,

I am also extremely excited to take part here as a newbie, and love that you are planning to work with so many of the asteroids.  Like Mirta, I'm not as familiar with the function of Cupidos, and so look forward to learning more.  Also, if adding one other asteroid to consideration is not too much of an overload, I strongly sensed that Sappho might be useful here, so I plugged it in and it does indeed form a tight square to his Pluto/Sun/Juno stellium and a quintile with Chiron.

Thanks again for leading this, and for your organization, and for this opportunity!

Cheers.


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: jasonholley on Jan 07, 2012, 10:50 AM
Hi Mirta,

Thanks for your message.  About the asteroids, I don’t have good places to point for reading.  Demetra in Asteroid Goddesses has some extremely brief discussions of, for instance, Eros, Psyche, Sappho.  And one can find a bit of very limited and highly speculative material on the internet here and there, but I have found it pretty thin and it does not seem to be based on observation and correlation.  

Actually, my hope was that our thread could begin to flesh out some of the dynamics of these asteroids, by studying the stories and myths connected to them, and how those stories relate or do not relate to the Souls in whose charts they occur.  In this way, we might be at the early stages of developing an EA perspective on some of them.  Actually you were one of the people I thought of in particular about this because of your creative work with Persephone and a couple of the other asteroids in earlier threads, and your Jungian sensitivity to story and myth.  I remember that by considering aspects of the stories affiliated to these asteroids, you were able to reveal more of the Soul’s dynamics in a very tangible/felt way.

With regard to the asteroids on the list I made, I have done a bit of research relative to some – Eros, Ganymede, Adonis, Persephone, and Lust – both through a database of a couple hundred consultation charts, as well as in-depth longer-term psychotherapeutic work (where the stories often get really elaborated and played out) with about 50.  I haven’t ever consolidated or written any of that up, but I will try to do so in at least a sketched-out form at some point in the course of our thread, both as some potential guidance as well as in the interest of feedback from Rad and the group.

The question you ask about Cupido/Eros is a good one, and I don’t know as I haven’t explored Cupido in any depth yet myself, for some reason was never drawn to (same is true about Pan, Dionysus, and Circe, among those I had placed on the list).  Cupido as you know is the Roman name and Eros the Greek name, but the stories are basically the same.  It is a dilemma involving many asteroids, for example not only are there Vesta, Juno, and Ceres, but there are also Hestia, Hera, and Demeter, which are the Greek names of the same goddesses.  I’m reminded of something Rad said in the past that the issue with asteroids is which ones do you choose to use and when.   The only basis I can think of would be observation/correlation over time.  

I would like to suggest for the purposes of our thread that in developing our analyses we primarily stick to the firmer ground of the planets and their nodes, as well as the asteroids commonly used here on the MB which have some substantial observation/correlation background – Ceres, Juno, Pallas, Vesta, Amazone, Lucifer, Lilith.  This will allow us to focus on the most fundamental evolutionary and sexual signatures in any chart.  And then, with a fully elaborated and detailed analysis on that basis, those of us who are interested can also include in our posts the potential roles these other asteroids may be playing and what additional information they might provide to the story; in other words, not relying on them or putting them at the center of the story, but rather exploring the suggestive and intriguing elements they might reveal in the Soul’s story.  Rad, could I also ask your opinion on this approach?  My concern is that as others have said we don’t want to overload or dilute the work, yet at the same time to be able to explore these at the periphery as they can be very helpful.          

God bless,
Jason


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: jasonholley on Jan 07, 2012, 10:51 AM
Hi Dylan,

Glad you are joining us!  Yes, Sappho could be a very interesting exploration and you’re right it does land right on some key components of Jackson’s chart.  Thanks for bringing it in, and I will add it to the list I had suggested at the beginning.   Actually I am going to replace Circe with Sappho, because I had added Circe mistakenly based on a different myth.  I am also adding the asteroid Amor.

As I had also mentioned above in responding to Mirta, I would like to suggest that we initially limit our exploration of asteroids with less existing validation through the EA paradigm, so as to focus first and deeply on the primary evolutionary and most fundamental sexual signatures in the chart; but with the background of a solid and well-elaborated/detailed analysis of those fundamentals, I think exploring such asteroids will be very useful and a way we can all contribute to the growth and extension of the EA paradigm.    

God bless,
Jason  


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: jasonholley on Jan 07, 2012, 10:54 AM
Hi all,

So, it is a real “thriller”(!) for me that we will work on this and work on Michael Jackson’s chart together.  I also heard from Gray and Cat that they are interested through email too, so I think that is everyone who had indicated initial interest on the prior thread, plus very glad to have you here too Ellen and Dylan.

I’d like to suggest that we each start by developing and posting our analysis of the bottom-line evolutionary dynamics of this Soul: looking at Pluto and its polarity point, the lunar nodes and their rulers – the house locations, sign locations, and aspect configurations of all of these.  This will be the context and reference point for all our subsequent analysis of the Soul’s sexual and gender expression, in terms of its overall karmic past and evolutionary intentions in this lifetime. 

I will also post some more background biography links later this weekend, and if others find biographical material that you are moved to share, please do.   

Look forward to sharing and reading everyone’s perspectives on the EA fundamentals of this chart! 

God bless,
Jason


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Gray on Jan 08, 2012, 09:02 PM
Hi Jason and all,

Yes I will be participating in this thread- I have been slammed busy with work and other events recently but have started to read through some of the material you posted, Jason. This next time period is going to be a busy time for me with my work but I will at least be able to follow along and make the time to post something, I may not have the time to go for a comprehensive take on things.  Depending upon what happens, I may choose to focus on smaller aspects or something I will be able to handle with the time I have on my hands.  The speculative nature of Michael Jackson's sexuality is a little daunting for me but I am very intrigued by what we will come up with by focusing on what the astrology has to say.  I look forward to participating with all of you and learning from each and every one of you.

Love,
Gray


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: jasonholley on Jan 09, 2012, 08:39 AM
Hi all,

Here are a few more materials on Michael Jackson:

Video of 1980 Silvia Chase interview of Jackson and his parents/brothers/sisters <family throughout, Michael around 5:45>: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcY1f9ja6NQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcY1f9ja6NQ)

Video of his 1993 Interview with Oprah Winfrey, including material about his family, sexuality, music <interview starts in earnest at 6:25>:  http://vimeo.com/5347540 (http://vimeo.com/5347540)

Audio and text of Michael's speech at Oxford University for his Heal the Kids foundation; talks about his own childhood, importance of children being children: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzIQlVSH8GU&feature=player_embedded  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzIQlVSH8GU&feature=player_embedded)

Article with description of the nature of Jackson’s musical talent (actually difficult to find amidst material about him as a phenomenon), evolution of his music, and his relationship to the music industry, also material on his personal life: http://passedthecurve.blogspot.com/2009/06/michael-jackson-appreciation-of-his.html (http://passedthecurve.blogspot.com/2009/06/michael-jackson-appreciation-of-his.html)

1994 GQ Article on 1993 Sexual Molestation charges:  http://www.buttonmonkey.com/misc/maryfischer.html (http://www.buttonmonkey.com/misc/maryfischer.html)

Article on “cultural abuse” of Jackson: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-vogel/michael-jackson-trial-_b_1068750.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-vogel/michael-jackson-trial-_b_1068750.html)

Site with hundreds of messages, analysis, and so on by Michael fans: http://www.positivelymichael.com/forums/ (http://www.positivelymichael.com/forums/)

Page describing Michael as a humanitarian and "spiritual messenger" -- I am including this as it lists many of his charitable acts, and also in the comments are many testimonials to Michael's spiritual impact on individuals which can give an idea of how he affected some people, and also of the positive projections he received alongside the negative projections: http://www.voiceseducation.org/content/michael-jackson-spiritual-messenger-hiding-plain-sight (http://www.voiceseducation.org/content/michael-jackson-spiritual-messenger-hiding-plain-sight)

Comments from two of Jackson's spiritual advisers:
-Rabbi Schmuley: http://dancirucci.blogspot.com/2009/06/michael-jacksons-spiritual-tragedy.html (http://dancirucci.blogspot.com/2009/06/michael-jacksons-spiritual-tragedy.html)
-Deepak Chopra http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/07/02/chopra-michael-jackson-could-have-been-saved.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/07/02/chopra-michael-jackson-could-have-been-saved.html) and http://www.chopra.com/node/1776 (http://www.chopra.com/node/1776)

Academic Article on Michael Jackson and Narcissism:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:swCs2uUp9bEJ:mais.athabascau.ca/faculty/docs/Michael_Jackson_Man_In_the_Mirror.doc+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgfCaSdngl4vLpfG7ZDh1wFWJabF6YcY_rqT8S7Y7sgiKQMrB2Dn4iCJF6BrQf4iyLRVlzBOKRrk2P8YhEyZnN7-IltRxEYNCXDm_4fO6_tjq8pkHAtPRt3QBJNu_CvcwJvlQNy&sig=AHIEtbRufR2t1uZtfqmQQopFOYa_OpneQA (https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:swCs2uUp9bEJ:mais.athabascau.ca/faculty/docs/Michael_Jackson_Man_In_the_Mirror.doc+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgfCaSdngl4vLpfG7ZDh1wFWJabF6YcY_rqT8S7Y7sgiKQMrB2Dn4iCJF6BrQf4iyLRVlzBOKRrk2P8YhEyZnN7-IltRxEYNCXDm_4fO6_tjq8pkHAtPRt3QBJNu_CvcwJvlQNy&sig=AHIEtbRufR2t1uZtfqmQQopFOYa_OpneQA)

God bless,
Jason


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: jasonholley on Jan 09, 2012, 08:50 AM
James Baldwin writing in his essay Here Be Dragons, in 1985:

"The Michael Jackson cacophony is fascinating in that it is not about Jackson at all. I hope he has the good sense to know it and the good fortune to snatch his life out of the jaws of a carnivorous success. He will not swiftly be forgiven for having turned so many tables, for he damn sure grabbed the brass ring, and the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo has nothing on Michael.
 
"All that noise is about America, as the dishonest custodian of black life and wealth; the blacks, especially males, in America; and the burning, buried American guilt; and sex and sexual roles and sexual panic; money, success and despair–to all of which may now be added the bitter need to find a head on which to place the crown of Miss America.
 
"Freaks are called freaks and are treated as they are treated–in the main, abominably–because they are human beings who cause to echo, deep within us, our most profound terrors and desires."


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Steven on Jan 11, 2012, 12:17 AM
Jason and all, I am going to jump in first as a newbie, with full awareness that my assessment will not have the comprehensiveness, detail and depth of the more experienced EA practitioners here. But I may as well start!

Per Jason's suggestion, this reflects the standard EA areas of focus, with a few other key aspects. This does not go into detail yet about the psycho-sexual dynamics of his life, and chart.

Michael Jackson

Pluto in Virgo in 6th House (conjunct Sun/Juno)
South Node Aries in Second House (conjunct Lilith)
PPP: Pisces in 12th House (with Chiron in Aquarius intercepted)
North Node in Libra in 8th House


With Pluto conjunct the Sun, this soul is exploring the development of personal power and self-actualization, which usually manifests as an intense drive to create and fulfill a special purpose in the current life. The postive dynamics of this conjunction reflect the soul's desire to not only actualize its own creative purpose through the use of will, but also to inspire others, as a living example, in this process. The shadow dynamics here suggest a ongoing need to be acknowledged as special or important (echoed by Venus/Uranus in Leo), a frustration with any kind of limitation on the soul's self-realization, and a tendency toward manipulation in gaining the desired power objectives. All of these dynamics seem to be quite present in Michael Jackson's life.

Yet the core evolutionary position of Pluto/Sun in Virgo in the 6th house also signals that the soul has been deeply concerned with learning how to be of service to the collective, and has been subjecting itself to experiences of self-doubt, humility and self-effacement. The resulting inner orientation of "lack" and an evolutionary need to experience the inverted pyramid structure forms a paradoxical pull to this soul's equally compulsive need to fully actualize, assert, and shine. With such a contradictory pull, gaining a balance can be tricky, and a splitting within the personality is not surprising. In MJ's case, he seems to have attempted balance by creating an artistic persona expressing the yang Leonine/solar/fiery emphasis of his psyche, and a "private" persona reflecting the more yin, shy, intoverted, victimized and "pure" Virgoan vibration of his evolutionary position. It seems implicit that this attempt-- particularly regarding his private persona and presumed self-image-- was neither fully effective nor grounded in a realistic, compassionate understanding of his inner dynamics. Somehow I doubt that the typical Pluto-in-Virgo experience of constant inner analysis was present for MJ, but certainly the intense perfectionism that can result from this Virgo/6th house emphasis is clearly reflected in his approach to his work.

A strong sense of guilt is reflected through this sign/house placement of Pluto, as well as a unconscious need to atone, and I sense that the karmic causes for this guilt are reflected by the South Node/Lilith conjunction in Aries in the 2nd house, and the square to Mars (ruler of the South Node) in Taurus from both Pluto/Sun and Chiron.

Put simply, there's a tremendous amount of assertive, aggressive energy and desire for autonomy suggested by the South Node Arian signatures, and an intense preoccupation with self. The presence of Lilith suggests, negatively, hedonism, aggressive sexuality, multiple relationships without real commitment, materialism, etc.  I sense that there is an overall uneasiness of the soul with these experiences of its past, and especially with the archetypical energy of Mars, South Node ruler, which is squared by Chiron and also Pluto/Sun in disseminating phase. The rejection (and projection outward onto others and into his "Bad", "Dangerous" stage persona) of his more aggressive, sexual, Martial energy seems consistent with the Virgoan tendency to reject subconsciously the life orientations of Aries/1st through Leo/5th as somehow "not right." It also seems consistent with MJ's preferred self-image (Moon in Pisces) as vulnerable, victimized, and relatively asexual-- a rejection of Mars' energy on an instinctual level.  

Difficulty with the masculine principle is also reflected by the Pluto/Sun conjunction, Mars' inconjunct to Saturn, and Saturn's aspect with Chiron, all suggesting chthonic wounding: a view of the masculine as overpowering, authoritarian, judgmental, fearful-- all reflections of which seem to have also been embodied by MJ's father.  

The PPP (Pluto Polarity Point) is Pisces and the 12th House, which suggests an evolutionary need to dissolve any barriers that prevent clear understanding of self, and also a need to develop faith and an awareness that one is connected to transpersonal forces larger than oneself. The fact that MJ's Moon is in Pisces on the Ascendant suggests to me that the soul has been trying to open itself to greater empathy, sensitivity and transpersonal energy-- that this is, indeed, the current ego image through which the soul wishes to function-- but the presence of Chiron in the 12th also shows that this area is a clear point of wounding and vulnerability for the soul. Chiron's sign position in Aquarius suggests not only core wounding in group situations, but also great sensitivity to the collective unconscious, and this latter ability may be part of the confusion for the soul, as heightened access to collective personal energy (and the ability to control and effect this collective personal force emotionally, as he did in his concerts) is not the same as access to transpersonal energy. Additionally, there may be confusion between pre-personal desires for undifferentiated bliss and transpersonal awareness. This can lead to the typical Piscean susceptability to glamour, illusion and drugs.

The North Node in Libra reflects the evolutionary need to engage more deeply in relationship and to evolve beyond the prior-life instinctual response to maintain freedom and independence. Its placement in the 8th House demands a confrontation with personal limitations, a deep dive into emotional and sexual self-discovery/healing, and a subsequent learning of how to unite the soul's own (limited) resources with others to allow mutual transformation. Unfortunately, it seems as if MJ resisted any limitations put on his desire for self-expression and self-creation, even those of his current body, and it is unclear whether he truly embraced emotional self-discovery beyond what was expressed in his music. His statements about his mother, for example, as being "perfect to me" are belied by the aspects of his Piscean moon: squares to Saturn in Sag and Vesta in Cancer, an opposition to Ceres and -widely, his Sun/Juno in Virgo. The effect of these challenges in his own emotional make-up will likely be explored later in our discussion.

The conjunction of the North Node with Jupiter and Neptune suggests inflated, romanticized and unrealistic expectations of what intimacy, sensitivity to others and "merging" might be.

The conjunction of Juno with Pluto/Sun seems to echo the soul's North Node requirements by increasing a need for intimacy and partnership, yet this conjunction also highlights the soul's conflicts with both personal self-expression and power struggles within relationship. I imagine we will discuss Juno more specifically as we explore MJ's psycho-sexual life, but if this soul indeed wanted to embrace an intense, transformational relationship with another, then most accounts of his life indicate that this was attempted not through actual interpersonal relationship, but through the creation of public/stage and private personas that together might merge into a more complete union.

Venus -- ruler of the North Node--will also likely be discussed in depth later in our discussion, but unsurprisingly Venus's aspects reflect relationship challenges: opposite Chiron, crescent phase square Mars, inconjunct Moon, and conjunct Uranus. The chironic contact brings forth a heightened awareness of the Venusian values of harmony and an inability to endure conflict, as well an ability to manipulate and control along with considerable charm and diplomacy. The Crescent phase square with Mars requires the soul to stand apart from society, and look deep into itself to develop new relationship values, and this echoes, in a way, the Libran Eight House North Node lessons.

As much of what I've said touches on the more troublesome aspects of MJ's psyche, I feel I should end by mentioning that the conjunction of androgynous Pallas and Mercury in Leo reflect again this soul's creative brilliance, with the ability to impress a unique vision on the world, and heal through music, drama and play.




Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: cat777 on Jan 11, 2012, 06:53 PM
Ok, I'm back.  What a lot of MJ material to read and view!  I think I'll just start writing and read later!  In an earlier post someone was asking about Eros.  I know one astrologer who has done quite a bit of work with Eros.  If you are interested:

http://www.falconastrology.com/discovery.htm

Ok.  I'm glad I got back in time to participate - working on that right now!

cat


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Steven on Jan 13, 2012, 10:15 PM
Hi, Jason, this is great. Thanks so much for your feedback and suggestions. I will indeed endeavor to dig deeper, and plan to post again by Sunday evening.

I am most grateful for this opportunity.



Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: cat777 on Jan 15, 2012, 06:02 PM
Hi Jason, Rad and Everyone,

I decided to set a time limit on this.  That was this weekend.  I've reached that point.  There is so much more I could have probably touched on but I've reached the point where my mind is turning to jello.  This is how it panned out:


With Pluto in Virgo in the 6th House, Michael Jackson's soul has been learning evolutionary lessons related to service to others (society, a culture or on a smaller scale an indivudual) as well as lessons in personal humility and self-doubt, discrimination, purification and self-improvement.  His soul has been learning these lessons through intense self-analysis and by learning to fulfill a specific function within the cultures and societies his soul has incarnated into. He has had to develop specialized skills and  techniques in order to develop and establish a work related function which allows him to serve others in some way. He has often had to sacrifice his own personal needs, desires and time in order to fulfill the needs and desires of the culture or society he has been born into. At the same time, he has been learning lessons of humility which serve to remind him that the universe does not revolve around him and to help him learn to identify with the larger collective whole that is greater than just one's self. These lessons serve to help him purge all traces of self-glorification and delusions of grandeur from within his consciousness as well as any intellectual or emotional patterns that are preventing growth.  Crisis situations are necessary in order to induce self-analysis which  forces him to get in touch with himself at a core level.  In the process, he becomes aware of his imperfections, flaws and shortcomings which in turn creates a subconscious or subliminal sense of guilt within him. This inner guilt then creates a need and desire to atone for the guilt through some type of service to others or another which then leads to  purification and self-improvement. The desire and need to atone leads to further self-analysis in which he analyzes his shortcomings, flaws and inadequacies further.  This can cause him to project his guilt outwards onto other people leaving him feeling victimized or he may become so focused on his flaws and inadequacies than he becomes paralyzed and unable to do anything to correct them. Regardless of the outcome, the soul's reality structure is one which requires personal crisis in order to induce self-analysis in order to expose the inner or dynamics behind the individual's behavior.  This type of reality structure causes the soul to feel absolutely alone on an inner level. This intense feeling of aloneness then causes the soul to create a  multitude of external obligations which leave him no time for himself in order to avoid having to look within and facing his feelings of being alone. Crisis will again occur at some point forcing withdrawal and further self-analysis.

Pluto is conjunct both the Sun in Virgo and Mercury Rx in the 6th House indicating that the soul has had a desire  to be of service to others, and learn lessons of humility, self-doubt, discrimination, purification and self-improvement, through the work dynamic which is also his special creative purpose or career.  Any personal crisis the soul experiences would then be related to its career somehow or become public knowledge.
With the Pluto/Sun conjunction the soul has had something very special to accomplish which could potentially lead to a life of relative fame relative to its special purpose.  In addition, this aspect indicates that one of the parents, usually the father, will dominate the individual's development and attempt to shape the individual's purpose or identity with the strength of his will. Early in life the individual will feel intimidated by the parent and will conform to the parent's desires but at some point a confrontation will occur leading to a reformulation of the relationship.  At this key point the individual will either leave the parent behind or the parent will change and encourage the individual's development as a unique individual with a unique purpose.  In addition, with Pluto conjunct Mercury Rx in Leo the soul has had a need and desire for intellectual confrontations with others so that rigid fixed ideas can be reformulated, transformed and expanded. While the soul is curious and wanting to learn new things, its interpretation of any new information will always reflect its preexisting beliefs. The individual will filter new thoughts and ideas through his belief system and will reject anything that does not reflect what he already thinks is true or false. Mercury is retrograde meaning the soul has acquired and collected so much linear knowledge in the past that its intellect has become overwhelmed and confused and needs to be simplified. Being that the soul
interpretes reality according to its preexisting beliefs and filters out anything with doesn't fit in with what it already believes,  it is likely to tune out any new information or way of looking at things that don't jive with what it already thinks or how it sees reality.  Confrontation is therefore necessary in order to force the soul to see things from a new perspective or a different point of view.  In addition, this aspect indicates that the soul has a mental need to explore, experience and investigate areas of life considered taboo by society, the parents etc.  Mercury is conjunct Venus and Uranus indicating that  the soul's beliefs, opinions and ideas about its relationship to both itself and its relationships with other people are very different from those of other people and unconventional. Confrontations and crises will occur that bring these beliefs into the open. When this occurs, the soul is misunderstood and incapable of expressing itself in a way that others can really understand him or his points of view.  In addition, he has a
hard time understanding others and the environment he is part of.  Mercury rules his 4th house Gemini cusp indicating that the soul has a complex nature having multiple self images and ego structures at any given time. This complicates the situation and misunderstandings.  

Pluto is sextile Jupiter conjunct Neptune in Scorpio in the 8th House.  The soul has had an intense need and desire to develop its intuition and to to realize the nature of illusions, delusions, dreams and ideals in relation to its beliefs. The soul has learned to think in conceptual or abstract terms and has a hard time finding the proper words to communicate its intuitive knowledge to others. The soul has therefore been learning how to communicate in a language that many others can understand which is music and song. The soul is aware of the larger social and universal forces that constitute the reality of creation and has a need and desire to live and act in accordance to natural law and to expand beyond the limitations of any imposed moral, religious and philosophical orientations defined by the society or the culture it it is part of.  Neptune helps dissolve any barriers that are preventing the soul from achieving this ideal by helping the soul realize what is delusional in regard to man-made religious, social and cultural laws that prevent the soul from living according to natural law. These desires are being expressed and acted upon in the realm of the soul's emotional and sexual relationships.  The soul has a need and desire to communicate its beliefs in relation to emotional/sexual expression to many other people through its work/special creative purpose which is music and the performance arts.  Pluto is septile the North Node in Libra in the 8th House
(the NN has been worked on in previous lives) indicating that the soul has experienced limitation in relation to who it is and who it can and cannot be in relation to its emotional/sexual relationships and beliefs. The soul has desired to transform these limitations by forming relationships with a diversity of other people who symbolize something the soul feels it lacks within itself.   These relationships have likely been “fated.”

The South Node is in Aries in Second House.  In previous lives the soul has been
instinctually very self-reliant and self-sufficient.  He had a very strong physical and sexual nature as well as an emphasized need to survive and sustain himself on a physical and emotional level.  He identified himself as the resource and means of self-sustainment and was capable of taking care of himself and providing for his needs via his talents, skills and capabilities. This included taking care of himself sexually. When not involved in a sexual relationship he would masturbate in order to release his built up emotional and sexual tension. Failing to do so would cause emotional distortion and a loss of perspective in all aspects of his life.  He required a great deal of freedom and independence as he was on a journey of self-discovery attempting to find out something new and unique about himself. He experienced many identity crises of varying degrees of magnitude as his instinctual need to grow and evolve conflicted with his desire to stay the same in order to feel secure. The SN is sesiquadrate the Sun/Pluto in the 6th House indicating he felt a great deal of inner pressure leading him to creatively develop a special purpose in life related his his work and being of service to others in some way. This special purpose may have led to a life of relative fame, recognition and acclaim relative to that purpose. One of his parents, likely his father, may have tried to shape his identity and purpose as discussed above. The SN is trine Mercury Rx in Leo in the 6th House indicating that he understood how society works and therefore knew how to establish his special purpose within it. In spite of this understanding, intellectual confrontations with others occurred in order for rigid and fixed ideas to be reformulated, transformed and expanded as discussed above. SN opposition Jupiter in Libra in the 8th House indicates an inner conflict in which he was being pulled in two opposite directions in his past lives.  On the one hand he desired to act in accordance with natural law and on the other hand he felt he should act in accordance to the beliefs, morals, laws and philosophical orientations of the culture and society he was part of. Being that he was individuated, he likely leaned more towards acting in according to natural law, but inside he also felt a pull towards acting in accordance with the moral dicates and belief system of his family, culture and society. Once again, this was being played out in the realm of his emotional and psychological  relationships with a diversity of other people. His involvement in these relationships led to internal psychoanalysis or psychological investigations of his own inner dynamics and the “laws” that explain who and what we are and how we work. With the SN trine Saturn in Sag in the 9th House he had a desire to realize his own authority and establish his authority within society through his work or career. He understood his capabilities in terms of the role he chose to play and learned how to establish himself in that role/career according to the terms of society or his culture. He felt he had a special destiny to fulfill as well as the patience and self-discipline needed to achieve his goals. He may have had help from external authorities (his father maybe) who were willing to help him establish and actualize his career. His goals and ambitions were in harmony with those of his culture and society so he was able to get the support necessary to establish himself in his chosen career.

The SN is semi-sextile his SNR Mars in Taurus in the 3rd house indicating that in previous lives he instinctually resisted adopting the value systems of anyone else including his culture and society. He questioned every accepted idea and opinion established by any external authority and argued against anything that did not fit in with his own value system.  In regard to sex and sexuality, he had a mental desire to explore and understand the diversity of all possible sexual orientations and behaviors and to obtain as much sexual knowledge as possible. He challenged the limitations of traditional gender roles and may have manifested bisexual or homosexual tendencies. It is possible that sexual issues arose between him and his parents or siblings causing his sexual development to be arrested.  If this was the case, he was sexually immature as an adult. He used his sexual energy as a vehicle to metamorphasize his emotional and psychological limitations creating sexually confrontational situations which served to force his emotional/psychological reality and needs into conscious awareness. He possessed a strong instinctual physical and sexual magnetism and focused on sex as a means of physical gratification and stimulation alone. He either used sex as a tool for power, control and manipulation or was used by others for these reasons. Mars is square Mercury Rx and Venus in Leo in the 6th House indicating that he was not open to experiencing anything new that did not reflect what he felt was worthy of consideration or fit in with his pre-existing beliefs. He was not one for idle chit-chat and did not engage in conversation with anyone without having a good reason or purpose in doing so.  His tone of communication was emotionally powerful and almost hypnotic in effect as the strength of his soul was reflected in his opinions and point of view. Most of what he was willing to share and communicate with others was work/career related and reflected his creativity or creative purpose. In addition, he had a desire to deflate his excessive egocentric orientation to life as well as to purge all causes of personal delusions of grandeur. He desired to align himself with his actual inner reality as opposed to personal illusion or delusion of an egocentric nature that was considered to be real. These desires left him feeling very alone inside.  He had an inner emptiness and an inner feeling of being very small. As a result he was very self-critical and had a very negative feeling about himself . He never felt good enough and thus came across as very endearing to others as he naturally deflected any exessive personal acclaim.  He was self-effacing, humble and always ready and willing to help others as he was a natural giver who could naturally relate to the pain or problems of others. At the same time, he seldom allowed anyone to help him due to his inherent masochism which left him feeling that he did not deserve to be helped but rather deserved to be hurt, abused, taken advantage of, manipulated, deceived, criticized or invalidated. He attracted people who were emotionally crippled in some way as he himself was emotionally wounded and deeply troubled. In his intimate relationships he attracted people who were very self-oriented and who expected him to serve and help them in an unequal way. They usually became very critical and judgmental of him which would increase his inner self-doubt, guilt and need to atone for this guilt. He would sacrifice his own needs for those of his partner as he felt it was the only way to sustain the relationship. This left him feeling victimized by life in general and other people. On a sexual level he had a desire to serve or please his partners.  He may have acted out a slave/master type archetype in his sexual relationships or he may have become asexual due to his deep unconscious guilt association with physical/sexual sensation and a fear of being contaminated in some way. As with his Mars in the 3rd house, he had a strong mental orientation towards the sexual act and was always analyzing whatever occurred sexually.  

Pluto's Polarity Point is in Pisces in the 12th House. The soul's intention for itself as Michael Jackson was to learn to simplify itself by dissolving old mental and emotional barriers that have been preventing a holistic and clear understanding of its own self-concept. Michael Jackson had a desire and need to clarify the relationship between himself and others and to develop an awareness of proper priorities. This required faith as well as an understanding and awareness that he is connected to larger forces than just himself. He had a need and desire to foster an understanding as to why he felt so essentially alone.  In addition there was a need to shift from deductive to inductive reasoning in order to be able to understand and experience himself in a more complete way and develop a clearer vision of his relationship to other people.  In this way he would learn the lessons of discrimination as well as when to serve and when not to be of service to others.  In developing an awareness of the whole, inner peace and self-forgiveness would replace his compulsive need for crisis and the sense of victimization that leads to pain, misery, sickness and mental chaos.  In order for this to occur,  he would have to form a relationship with the divine.  Was Michael Jackson able to achieve the potential in the polarity point?  It doesn't seem so.

The North Node is in Libra in 8th House.  As pointed out above, the NN has been acted upon in previous lives. In order to simplify himself, dissolve old mental and emotional barriers, clarify the relationship between himself and others and to develop an awareness of proper priorities, Michael Jackson would have to learn to merge with another person or others. He would have to learn to open up to other people and situations in order to become aware of his personal limitations and to develop an awareness of how he relates to reality.  Although he succeeded in identifying his essence, capabilities and personal values, coming into this life as MJ he did not know how to implement them or apply them to “forces” outside himself (society and other people). His goal as MJ was to integrate, apply, or link his abilities to social needs that were compatible with other people's value systems. As  discussed earlier, with his SN in Aries, he experienced many identity crisises which created cycles of inner torment and anger within him.  In his life as MJ he needed to form relationships with others in order for the process of self-discovery and the actualization of a special destiny to occur.  He could not succeed by maintaining a primary allegiance to himself alone.  He  came into this life as a natural loner who would subconsciously attract others into his life who would have a shocking effect on him in order to help him discover who and what he is. He needed to learn how to be in an intimate relationship on a sustained basis rather than just having brief and intense emotional/sexual encounters with others for sexual gratification alone. He needed to learn how to be in relationships on an equal basis and to give rather than take, listen rather than dominate a conversation, and learn that others are just as important as he is.  The NN is semi-square the Sun in Virgo in the 6th house symbolizing a conflict between his needs and desires. He had an emphasized need to develop a special creative purpose through which he could serve others while at the same time a desire to withdraw in order to contemplate and experiment with new thoughts and experiences reflecting new desires. His challenge was to balance his need to withdraw and contemplate with his need to fulfill his duties and obligations in relation to his work and sociological role.
The NN is  sextile Mercury Rx in Leo in the 6th House.  By comparing and contrasting himself with others, MJ had come to a point in which he understood what experiences, methods or skills he needed to utilize in order to develop his evolutionary purpose in a unique way. In order to grow and evolve further he would have to learn to be intellectually open to everything. He was compulsively drawn to communicate with everyone and to study everything in order to gain new knowledge and information. Whatever he believed or had an opinion about would be powerfully communicated with emotional intensity and conviction through the vehicle of his career/special purpose.
The NN is inconjunct Mars in Taurus in the 3rd House.  MJ was aware that he had something special to do in relation to his evolutionary intention and desire to serve others through his work but experienced some confusion in regard to how to link his purpose through service to the whole or others. Crisis was necessary in order to
induce mental analysis of what needed to be adjusted within him in order to establish his purpose within the framework of the social environment. In addition, humility had to replace any self-inflated or willful expression of his purpose. Once again,
the soul as MJ had an huge amount of emotional/sexual energy which needed release.

In addition he had a need and desire to rebel against and reject sexual taboos as dictated by his culture,  society and his family environment. He would express and communicate his emotions/sexuality to others through his career (music/stage performance) which would lead to intellectual crisis situations involving his siblings as he was rebelling and rejecting the norm they represented and projecting the taboo outward for the world to see.  The NN is conjunct Jupiter in Libra conjunct Neptune in Scorpio in the 8th House.    MJ would have to find a way to communicate his beliefs and ideals, or his version of truth, to others in a way that they could understand. He would have to form a  relationship with a symbol of power which symbolized something he felt he lacked in order to do this. One such symbol was his family as seen through Jupiter in Libra (relationships)  sesiquadrate his moon (family) in the 1st house (individuality) conjunct Neptune (music) in Scorpio (power) which is ruled by Pluto in the 6th (career). Confrontations would eventually occur as MJ had a need and desire to expand beyond the limitations imposed by the religious or philosophical orientation defined by his culture and his family. At some point he would challenge, reject and rebel against them and their belief systems as he had a desire to communicate his own ideas and point of view.  The NN is sextile Saturn in Sagittarius in the 9th House indicating once again that MJ understood what experiences, methods or skills he needed to utilize in order to develop his evolutionary purpose in a unique way.  He now had to actualize and realize his own authority and assume the largest sociological role he could play. Intuition would guide him in his search for truth.

The best way for him to do this is symbolized by Venus in Leo in the 6th House – the North Node Ruler. Relationships were the key. In order to simplify himself, dissolve old mental and emotional barriers, clarify the relationship between himself and others and to develop an awareness of proper priorities by merging with another, or others, MJ would have to gain an understanding of the cause of his deep inner aloneness which is actually a reflection of an unresolved spiritual need. He would need to align with a spiritual system that promotes a direct inner connection to God. In doing so, the aloneness would then dissolve. Whatever spiritual system he chose, it would have to be one based on
compassion and love, kindness and gentleness and rooted in natural principles.  In this way he would eventually be able to change his inner standards of judgement and dissolve the build-up of guilt and the need to atone for it and come to accept himself.  In turn, he would then attract people who personify these same traits into his life. He would learn to become more objective in regard to himself rather than living in a subjective reality that does not allow him to be experienced as equal with everyone else. He would
learn to acknowledge the larger group, community, and society and understand their needs and learn to give without being motivated by his own need to be given to. He would be able to validate and acknowledge other people's realities without being told how wonderful and special he is first, or in return. He would learn to receive or accept feedback from others even if it conflicted with his own inner evaluation of himself. He
would learn that he is not the center of the universe and not to be dependent on others telling him how special he is.  He would learn what it is like to experience inner peace. Only Michael knows if he succeeded in this or not.  It seems that he did not.

Note: now watching a MJ bio.  One more thing - the drugs - death from the drugs is reflected by Neptune in Scorpio in the 8th House .


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Kristin on Jan 16, 2012, 09:12 AM
HI Jason, Rad and all..

Here is some background on MJ before we dive into sexuality signatures as they are expressed in the birth chart. Thank you again Jason for your time and dedication in spear heading this thread...


Michael Jackson - 3rd Stage Individuated


Michael Jackson was born into a lower middle class, devout Jehovah witness family and was the 8th of 10 children. He was a boy forced to grow up fast as his unique and legendary musical ability threw him straight into the spotlight by the time he was only 5, essentially stripping him of his childhood. The child phenom with the high price to pay for it shows up with Pluto in Virgo in the 6th, Leo on the cusp, ruler Sun conjunct his Pluto in Virgo, ruler Mercury in Leo balsamic conjunction to Pluto. Within this power Michael had a natural humility seen with his Pluto and Sun in Virgo in the 6th and no matter how much he practiced it never seemed to be enough. The 6th house crisis were also part of his ongoing experience as a boy and well into adulthood.

Jackson had a troubled relationship with his father who acknowledged in 2003 that he regularly whipped Jackson as a boy. Jackson shared that he was physically and emotionally abused during rehearsals, though he also credited his father's strict discipline with playing a large role in his success. Pluto in the 6th sesquisquare the South Node in Aries, ruler Mars in Taurus, square ruler Venus and Mercury, ruler of his Pluto. Also Saturn squaring his Moon in Pisces. His father, Saturn, who he also says contributed to his success is seen with the grand trine of Saturn in Sag on the MC, South Node in Aries and Venus in Leo.

“In fact, Michael Jackson's deep dissatisfaction with his appearance, Pluto in the 6th, ruler Mercury in Leo in the 6th with Venus, his nightmares and chronic sleep problems, Uranus, Venus and Mercury opposing Chiron in Aquarius in the 12th - also Moon in Pisces square Saturn in Sag, his tendency to remain hyper-compliant especially with his father, and to remain child-like throughout his adult life are in many ways consistent with the effects of this chronic maltreatment he endured as a young child.” Beyond the physical abuse there was psychological abuse where every mistake Michael made was magnified and intensified by his father. This sleep problems and nightmares are in part linked with the violent push by his father but Michael also came into this life with plenty of unresolved trauma seen with his South Node in Aries in the 2nd, ruler Mars in the 3rd square Uranus and Venus in the 6th. One past life trauma story reflected in this signature suggests being intimate with a sibling and being caught and forcibly separated. Also this intimacy leading to getting his sister pregnant and the parents forcing an abortion. The attempted abortion led to complications and his sister ultimately lost her life, hence the trauma seen with Uranus and Venus in Leo (child), conjunct Mercury, sibling, squaring Mars in Taurus in the 3rd, ruler of the South Node. Also Mercury, sibling, is the ruler of his Sun and Pluto in Virgo. He spoke often of being so lonely whenever he was off stage. In a recent past life he may have been totally ex-communicated from his family because of the pregnancy and then blamed for her death that they had caused in trying to abort the child and the guilt carried forward seen with Saturn squaring his Pisces Moon and Ascendant.

In staying with this focus on his sister in a recent life as I feel this theme is a strong contributing factor to what we have experienced in him in his need to perfect and enhance his physical beauty via plastic surgeries and the like. I believe his sister Janet was this sister who became pregnant with him in his past life. Her Pluto lands in his 7th, when siblings become intimate, also her Mars is on his Mars in his 3rd house and is opposed by her Neptune, ruler of his Moon in Pisces. To take it one step further ( I do not have her birth time so cannot mention the house location here) but in their composite, they have Neptune in Scorpio square the nodes, Neptune also squares Saturn in Aquarius which is conjunct the South Node. I realize there is very little evidence of much of a relationship in this life, the last photo taken together in 2000, but this is also reflecting the secret connection because of the trauma. I feel she nurtured him in her own private way and that their relationship was more of an unspoken love,  also considering where things may have left off together, their being terrified of the father who had created all the trauma in the past life. Michael said whenever he was going to see his father even as an adult  it made him sick to his stomach to the point of throwing up - Moon in Pisces square Saturn. Of course they would need to re-enter family together with this father in order to resolve this in some fashion. Michael’s South Node of Mars and Venus in Libra are conjunct his North Node. But I also feel that she followed him in to this life to protect him and vice versa or to be close enough to be in his life to nurture him in some way. To take this further again, I have a strong feeling that they are the SAME SOUL which would also reflect the attract/repel dynamics inherent in this signature. The repelling linked with the need to separate and individuate and the attraction seen as they choose to come through family together. It is as if they made a SOUL PACT/Promise (Scorpio) ie her Pluto in his 7th trining his 3rd house Mars, a Mars they share almost to the degree. Her South Node in Scorpio in his 9th. They also share the same Vesta in Cancer, to nurture through proximity in family. In composite they had Vesta in Cancer conjunct the Sun.  She certainly has had her own massive fame to call her own and one can’t help but notice how much they look alike. Even their speaking voices are remarkably similar, conjuncting Mars' in his 3rd house. I would add, it also appeared that his desire in his beautification process looked to mimic an attempt to look like her, in particular the nose. Although the surgery to his nose appeared to go too far seen with Uranus, Venus, Mercury in Leo opposing Chiron in Aquarius in the 12th, inconjunct Neptune in Scorpio the sign for surgery. Also Michael’s Dark Moon Lilith is within one degree of his Venus in Leo symbolizing less than pleasing personal feelings about the way he looked. He felt very inadequate as a male and more adequate as a female. You can see this with the ruler of his South Node in Aries, Mars being in Taurus squaring Venus and Uranus in Leo, ruler Sun in Virgo. Also with the Moon rising, especially in watery Pisces he will feel more naturally female in how he nurtures and expresses himself when he is not on stage.

With his 6th house Pluto, enhanced with the SUN in Virgo, MJ was a self proclaimed perfectionist, never at any point would he feel that whatever he did was good enough. He even admitted brushing his teeth or hair with the light off in the bathroom so he didn’t have to look at himself. He worked incessantly to the point of excessiveness and to the brink of absolute exhaustion in part because of the ingrained echos of his own father’s disciplinary strong hand and the absolute sense of lack of measuring up that he instilled in him. He also shared that his father called him ugly especially when he reached puberty and started breaking out on his face. This is all reflected with Pluto in Virgo in the 6th, conjunct Sun in Virgo the 6th, ruler Mercury in Leo conjunct Venus, Uranus, Dark Moon Lilith and North Node of Mercury in Leo. This being his own less than self accepting and loving view of himself and he being his own worst enemy. Not even his father was harder on him than he was on himself.

When Michael is on stage something else all together happens as the world watched him grab his crotch and move his hips with a confident thrust. His way in his body reflects plenty of male comfort to the point of  glamorization of the phallus  but the stage was his refuge and the only place he really felt truly at home. Cancer is on his 5th house cusp and the ruler is the Pisces Moon on the Ascendant. The glamorization or glorification of the phallus is seen with his second house South Node in Aries, ruler Mars in Taurus square Uranus in Leo, which sure had a way of shocking mothers as their children imitated this dancing gesture. When Oprah asked him why he always grabbed his crotch when he danced he said that it happens subliminally or instinctually and that ‘the music compels him to do it’ - South Node in Aries in the second, ruler mars in Taurus( Music) in the 3rd (hands), the music being a way of self masturbation, a manifestation of personal masturbation when he is performing.


Another important piece to mention as it relates to MJ’s trouble with sleeping is seen in his inability to turn off his mind, which is why he needed sedating meds to help slow down the mental engine. His South Node in Aries in the second is ruled by Mars in Aries in the 3rd ( thoughts, overactive mind) in Taurus where he would find himself in these fixed loops of mental perfecting programming. Mars in Taurus squares its ruler,Venus, as well as Uranus and Mercury, ruler of his Sun/Pluto. If that was not enough, his North Node in Neptune in the 6th is receiving a square from that Mars. This ultimately took his life, this unintentional overdose by the physician. This is also linked with the excessive Virgo of never being enough, also with the Leo on the cusp, trying to fill himself up with a feeling to replace his inner existential loneliness, more meds. Sleep is Neptune, it also connects to masking the pain, taking meds for sleep and to stop the torment of his mind. Neptune in Scorpio is conjunct his North Node and Jupiter which rules exaggeration, ruler of his Neptune in Scorpio is Pluto in Virgo with the Sun in the 6th. The racing thoughts that he could not turn off were all linked with his quest for perfection and never being or feeling good enough.


In clear ways, Michael’s sense of aloneness, apart from the past life trauma of family separation is simply part the natural evolving process. There was a time when excessive narcissism led to forming relationships with shallow people who were nothing more than props in his play. There was no real connection possible with these people also because of where they were coming from and where they lived within themselves. On a Soul level he was literally on a different sheet of music. As is he moving toward the spiritual state this inner reflection is part of the evolutionary process, a progressive elimination, Pluto, of all things that do not support his evolution back to God. The solution to ultimate aloneness can only take place by moving toward Spirit which for him is reflected in his double Pisces, ascendant and moon. Also the ruler of his 12th house cusp is Uranus and this for him conjuncts his Venus and North Node of Neptune, also symbolizing the need to go deeper in his connection with God, to find real meaning, to heal by experiencing that unconditional love from the inner relationship to Source, heal not only the aloneness but his deep inner sense of lack and this need to always compare himself to perfection. To come to know that perfection is in the process and that even God is an evolving energy. For God it is enough to simply have the right intention in whatever we do, a purity of heart and intention which Michael’s Soul certainly has.


South Node in Aries in the second , ruler Mars in Taurus in the 3rd. MJ has been using his voice, 3rd house, seen musically with his South Node in a Taurus house, ruler Mars in Taurus in the 3rd. Also Venus, the ruler of Taurus is conjunct Uranus in Leo, instant fame as a boy, and also Mercury and North Node of Neptune in Leo. North Node of Neptune is the ruler of his Pisces Moon as his Ascendant. He came into this life being a front runner in his field with his South Node in Aries and the ruler Mars in Taurus, reflects the early life and success with his brothers in Jackson 5. You can see this theme of far reaching fame prior to this life as well as his South Node of Venus, Music, is sextile his Saturn in Sagittarius, going international, and South Node of Uranus. They make a grand trine with his South Node in the 2nd and his natal Venus, Uranus, Mercury and North Node of Neptune in Leo in the 6th. These symbols suggest that he has been breaking all kinds of records for lifetimes.  He was a highly independent and wildly innovative creator, needing to do things his own way, to lead the way, to set music, fashion, dancing trends, seen in the strong Uranian signatures conjunct his Venus. Venus rules his South Node of Mars, Venus and Original Lilith in Libra. One example of this is the “Moon Walk" that he became so famous for ‘inventing’ -the dance move that looks like he is gliding across the floor. This perfectly symbolizes his Pisces Moon near the ascendant. His sound was so unique and loved by all around the world as soon as his voice hit the airwaves. You could not help but fall in love with his spirit and his smile as a boy as he lit up the stage with his natural gift. One of his greatest hits, “I’ll be there” - just call my name and I’ll be there. This song reminds me of his own pact with his sister.

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You and I must make a pact
We must bring salvation back
Where there is love, I'll be there
(I'll be there)
I'll reach out my hand to you
I'll have faith in all you do
Just call my name and I'll be there
(I'll be there)

And oh, I'll be there to comfort you
Build my world of dreams around you
I'm so glad that I found you
I'll be there with a love that's strong
I'll be your strength, I'll keep holding on
(Holding on, holding on, holding on)
Yes I will, yes I will

Let me fill your heart with joy and laughter
Togetherness, well that's all I'm after
Whenever you need me, I'll be there
(I'll be there)
I'll be there to protect you
(Yeah baby)
With an unselfish love I respect you
Just call my name and I'll be there
(I'll be there)

And oh, I'll be there to comfort you
(I'll be there)
Build my world of dreams around you
I'm so glad that I found you
I'll be there with a love that's strong
(I'll be there)
I'll be your strength, I'll keep holding on
(Holding on, holding on, holding on)
Yes I will, yes I will

If you should ever find someone new
I know he'd better be good to you
'Cause if he doesn't, I'll be there
(I'll be there)
Don't you know, baby, yeah yeah
I'll be there, I'll be there, just call my name, I'll be there
(I'll be there)

Just look over your shoulders, honey, ooh
I'll be there, I'll be there, whenever you need me, I'll be there
(I'll be there)
Don't you know, baby, yeah yeah
I'll be there, I'll be there, just call my name, I'll be there
(I'll be there)
I'll be there, I'll be there

South Node in Aries, ruler Mars in the 3rd (call my name). Also Pluto/Sun in Virgo ruler, making a balsamic conjunction to Mercury and Venus in Leo, I will be there to comfort, love and protect you.

The instant international fame is also seen with his North Node in Libra, ruler Venus in Leo, conjunct Uranus, Mercury and North node of Neptune. Also natal Neptune in Scorpio is conjunct his North Node and Jupiter in Libra. His South Node of Mars which brings this theme back from the past and forward again, is also conjunct his North Node along with Original Lilith in Libra. He is was clearly doing what he has naturally done for lifetimes, using his God created capacities to move, reach and entertain the masses. He has led tribes in powerful ways with his music and his song seen with his Original Lilith in Libra conjunct the South Node of Mars and Venus, ruler Venus conjunct Uranus in Leo. The Libra in his chart, in particular his Original Lilith as well as his South Nodes of Mars and Venus also connects to his natural androgyny and need to be both male and female in the body and in the world. He may very well be undergoing a gender switch, it feels like only a few lifetimes of switch into the male body as he feels like he is still working to heal the natural male side of himself. I am sure the recent past life traumas had a way of creating deep fracturing to his Soul which resulted in him feeling like he had done something horribly wrong while in the male body, leading to his sense of inadequacy as a male. I am feeling too that he was also castrated as punishment for engaging in something sexually forbidden, undoubtedly he was figuratively castrated but wondering if he was literally castrated. (Rad, your thoughts?) South Node in Aries, ruler Mars in the 3rd in Taurus square Uranus, Mercury and Venus. These signatures suggest also that at the time of being castrated that unimaginable injuring words were like arrows to his heart as they left their mark like tattoos to his Soul. He internalized these words to the point of believing that whatever was being said about him was true. This then led to his feeling like he needed to suffer or repent for what he had done, seen in his prevalence of Virgo/Pisces and the Sado/Masochistic tendencies that are so often expressed in this axis,  In natural times it was very common for siblings to experience intimacy and explore their own mutual curiosities, Mars ruler of his South Node in the 3rd house in Taurus. Michael cannot help but be natural and pure, that’s who he has always been, innocent like a child or an animal, innocent in his approach to things and wanting nothing more than to follow his natural impulse, Saturn in Sag in the 9th. He is also so naturally shy and when asked if he was still a virgin in 1993, which would have made him 35 years old at that time, he looked painfully embarrassed. Clearly this is something so personal and sacred to him. Also so much still a little a  boy at heart and because he was married to his work, he had a much delayed start I imagine as it relates to these sorts of exchanges. The past trauma leading into his early life abuse would have also contributed to a delay in his desire for intimacy as the trauma would have kept him detached and fearful of recreating the same story. South Node in Aries, ruler Mars in Taurus, square Uranus, Venus and Mercury in Leo.  Mercury, the ruler of his Sun and Pluto.

Why would Michael choose to come through a father who was essentially a psychological vampire, and abuser on all levels of the heart, body and Soul?  It can only be as I stated above that Michael felt like he needed to be punished for something he had done wrong. As if the punishment of the past was not enough but Pluto in Virgo in the 6th can have a compulsive way of masochistically self inflicting pain as he took in wholesale the wounding messages of who he was and how he deserved whatever he had coming to him, so his Soul set it up that way. Also since we pick up where we left off, this karma with the father and the sister needed to find its way forward somehow.  This was directly linked with his own core sense of guilt that he had done something horribly wrong and that he needed to be punished for it for reasons that he does not understand. MJ he is so inherently forgiving with his double Pisces even as the scars of the beating in this life remained he finally in 1993 had the courage to confirm the abuse by his father to the viewers, he was close to tears, and you could see the fear in his eyes when interviewed by Oprah and  after exposing the truth on TV he then apologized to his father saying he had to tell the truth, Saturn in Sag. But that he still loved his father.

Michael was clearly very IN his body confidently when he moved and was on stage, it’s as if he was plugged into a current of his own making, of God’s making because he made his own kind of magic for the world to witness over and over. Neptune in Scorpio, ruler of his Moon in Pisces, Pisces Ascendant, conjunct the North Node and Jupiter in  Libra. Also Uranus conjunct Venus and Mercury in Leo. Venus, ruler of the North Node and Original Lilith and Mercury, ruler of his Sun and Pluto. But that world called the stage was his world, it was a safe world where no one could touch him, they could only watch him and if he worked hard enough, his hope more than anything was that they would love him. Michael earned the title King of Pop and was also in the Guiness Book of World Records as the Greatest Entertainer in the world. Pluto, Amazone, Sun Balsamic conjunction in Virgo in the 6th, Leo on the cusp, ruler Sun which is within this triple conjunction. Also ruler of Virgo is Mercury in Leo and is conjunct Venus and North Node of Neptune, which can reflect no limits to his music success.


His natural innocence as in ‘every time feels like the first time’ whether it is in love or in pain. Also these signatures connected to weakened immune system, ie the stress of the business and the projections and lies made by the tabloids, and the allegations of child abuse, not to mention his own hard past of his own childhood catching up with him. He was also never allowed to be a child himself with non stop rehearsals, television interviews, performances and so on. Also by the age of 12, his first Jupiter return, which conjuncts his North Node in Libra in the 8th,  a bodyguard had to be with him everywhere he went. Michael is an incredibly pure and simple Soul and more or less natural, not able to be anything other than who he was. Amazingly too even as an adult his speaking voice still sounded like a child, Uranus and Venus with Mercury in Leo conjunct. His innocence and simplicity within this innocence is seen simply in the way that he loved and wanted to be loved. He was all heart, like a child and like an innocent animal. It is reflected so clearly in all of his Pisces signatures. Pluto in Virgo making balsamic conjunction to its ruler Mercury. Sun/Pluto balsalmic, PPP in the 12th house, Moon in Pisces, Pisces rising, Neptune conjunct Jupiter, the ruler of Saturn in Sagittarius.

Michael’s attempt to recover his childhood came with the building of Neverland on his 2700 acre ranch which includes an amusement park and rare animals from all over the world. Michael loved animals like he loved children for their natural innocence and unconditional love. He said he tries to imitate Jesus and to see the world through the innocent eyes of children. He added that through the children he found and experienced what he never had. Unfortunately the world is not as pure as his intentions to be so and this King of Pop, the greatest entertainer of the world became a walking target for projections and ridicule. When Oprah asked him what he wanted, He said,"I just want to be loved." He just wanted to be loved for who he naturally was. Saturn in Sag in the 9th trines Uranus, Venus. Mercury in Leo trines South Node in Aries. Also Original Lilith in Libra, the need to be needed, along with South Node of Mars and Venus in Libra, the desire to make love not war, for all things to be in living perfect peaceful harmony with one another.

He was too pure for this world in my opinion and so totally misunderstood which led to so much of his personal suffering. Within that his double Pisces was so beautifully forgiving. His heart was awesome and his generosity to children, healthy as well as the sick and the dying in the world mirrored this boundless loving spirit. Pluto conjunct the Sun in Virgo in the 6th, Leo on the cusp. Mercury ruler of his Sun/Pluto also in Virgo. His Pluto Polarity point is in the 12th in Pisces, ruler Neptune on his North Node, North Node of Neptune conjunct his Venus, ruler of his North Node, and Original Lilith. His purity and innocence will live on...it's just who he is!

God rest his Soul!

Peace,
Kristin


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Rad on Jan 16, 2012, 10:24 AM
Hi Kristin,

I just read through your EA analysis of MJ where you asked me: "I am feeling too that he was also castrated as punishment for engaging in something sexually forbidden, undoubtedly he was figuratively castrated but wondering if he was literally castrated. (Rad, your thoughts?)"

The answer is yes. Beyond the symbols you rightly pointed out that correlate to this is also the square from his natal Chiron is AQUARIUS to his Mars that is squaring his Venus and Uranus in Leo which are of course opposed to his natal Chiron. Thus, a T-square on his Mars from these symbols. His Soul came through families of nobility including ruling families of countries and cultures at various times. It was not uncommon for incestuous relationships among the siblings to take place especially when, at times, the siblings were half brothers and sisters. In some of these cases the siblings were even required to marry one another in order to sustain the family lineage in order to keep the family in power as the ruling family such as the case with the family of Cleopatra in Egypt. Thus, his Soul has memories of such lives where the 'taboo' typically associated against sibling sex was not as intense as it normally is in most patriarchal cultures.

Relative to his sister Janet is the current life they did have such an incestuous relationship in other lives, more than one, that had these cultural context of sibling sex relative to royal or ruling families, but also one life that did not. It was in that life, relatively recent, in which he got his sister pregnant which then lead the head of that family, the father, forcing her into an abortion that caused her death. That very same father then had his son castrated as punishment for what he had done.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Kristin on Jan 16, 2012, 11:42 AM
Rad,

Wow! That was incredibly helpful - and amazing.. thank you!!!

Goddess Bless,'
Kristin


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: cat777 on Jan 16, 2012, 05:12 PM
Hi Rad and Kristin,

First Kristin, your reading was awesome to read!  Wow!  Rad, in regard to your response to Kristin, you said, "His Soul came through families of nobility including ruling families of countries and cultures at various times."  I can't remember where, as I've read so much, but someone said that many people who were "royalty" in past lives now reincarnate as celebrities and the past members of their "court" often reincarnate with them.  They get together again and form a "celebrity and his/her entourage" relationship which reflects the past relationship as "King/Queen/Noble and their court."  Is this generally true?  


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Rad on Jan 17, 2012, 08:34 AM
Hi Rad and Kristin,

First Kristin, your reading was awesome to read!  Wow!  Rad, in regard to your response to Kristin, you said, "His Soul came through families of nobility including ruling families of countries and cultures at various times."  I can't remember where, as I've read so much, but someone said that many people who were "royalty" in past lives now reincarnate as celebrities and the past members of their "court" often reincarnate with them.  They get together again and form a "celebrity and his/her entourage" relationship which reflects the past relationship as "King/Queen/Noble and their court."  Is this generally true?  

Hi Cat,

Of course this does occur but whether it is 'generally' true or not I just don't know because I have never really looked into such a thing.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: cat777 on Jan 17, 2012, 04:32 PM
Hi Rad,

Ok, thanks.  I'm still trying to remember where I read that.  I think in a book of past life regression stories but I am not sure.  I was sort of pondering on this a bit since I asked.  Thinking there were probably two types of kings/queens/nobles - those politically oriented and those who just liked to play and have alot of fun because the life and circumstances they were born into allowed it.  This may apply to the second type, but who knows?  :-)


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: jasonholley on Jan 18, 2012, 07:57 AM
Hi group,

Kristin and Cat, thanks for posting your work on Michael Jackson, it is exciting to see us getting into the depth of the work.  I wanted to check in with Gonzalo, Mirta, and Linda to see if you all are still intending on posting material as well.  I will also be adding my own to the mix shortly.

With love,
God bless,
Jason


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Linda on Jan 18, 2012, 02:36 PM
Hi Jason,
Yes, I'm still here, working on my MJ assignment.
Will post as soon as practicable.
Thanks,
Linda


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: mirta on Jan 18, 2012, 03:41 PM
Hi Jason,
Yes, I am working and will be able to post this weekend.
Thanks to all for the patience.
God Bless
Mirta


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Gonzalo on Jan 18, 2012, 09:42 PM
Hi Jason
I plan to post too before the weekend
Thanks so much,
God Bless,
Gonzalo


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Steven on Jan 19, 2012, 12:38 AM
Hello, all, I wanted to go ahead and try to follow through with the "why" questions Jason raised for me, regarding the trajectory of MJ's soul dynamics.

I also appreciated Jason's invitation to respond to his questions, as an exercise, in any way I'd like, so what I think will help me is to explain my instinctual understanding of the dynamics I see in the chart, and what I see as the "whys", as suggested by the astrological signals. Hopefully then, Jason, Rad, and any others will either confirm my instinctual understandings, or help me see the signals that refute it, etc.

My basic premise is that the karmic legacy represented by the Arian South Node (conjunct Lilith) in the 2nd house, as well as the basic archetypical energy of Mars itself (in Taurus, and the SN ruler) have been "troublesome" evolutionary experiences/archetypes for this soul, as identified during an intense review of its own evolutionary progress, relative to its current evolutionary stage (Pluto in Virgo in the 6th house).

During this intensive review phase, if we can assume that the soul has indeed discovered experiences/tendencies that might induce core guilt, then it would seem to me that we need to look no further than the South Node signatures to see a primary factor in this guilt-- at least, relative to the intentions of this lifetime. Ignoring for a moment the many positive facets of Mars/Aries, these SN signatures certainly suggest a past-life pattern of assertiveness, competitiveness, willfulness and materialistic self-interest that is very different from the pure-soul-too-good-for-this-world energy that MJ often tried to embody in his most recent life. Adding Lilith conjunct the Arian SN in House 2, this further adds hints that aggressiveness and predator experiences took place in sexual terms, along with a tendency to manipulation and hedonism. (At least as I normally work with Lilith's symbolism-- I am aware there are many different interpretations for all "three" Liliths, etc.)  

Now, if we also consider that MJ's soul has been going through the 3 stages of individuation, then it seems even more likely that these factors were causally present: when one is dealing with the great challenges of questioning and rebelling from the consensus (especially in our historical patriarchal past), then the courage, raw assertion, self-sufficiency and will power of Aries/Mars/Lilith can be great-- even necessary-- allies. Yet these energies can all be overdone, with disastrous results in personal relationships, intimacy, and the ability to truly hear another person's message or acknowledge its validity, etc. So, as I read this chart, it is the excesses of Mars/Aries/Lilith energy in this soul's own behavior-- particularly during its individuation process--- that serve as a primary cause of soul "guilt" going into incarnation.

Even beyond the signals we get from the SN, I really intuit that there is a strong tendency for the Virgo energy itself (where we find both Pluto, Sun, Juno and Ceres) to literally "judge" pure Martial energy with uneasiness, and therefore this whole Virgo frequency has a tendency to repress, sublimate, deny or project primal Mars power, which then so frequently leads to the essential sadomasochism associated with Virgo and its polarity, Pisces. So, again, I'm saying that I strongly sense that the soul's guilt revolves around its own perceived misuse of Mars and Lilith energy. Is this accurate, as others interpret the chart?

Now, Pluto's disseminating phasal relationship with Mars shows that there have been several lifetimes already spent "responding", as it were, to the initial self-judgement phase of the soul about its errors and excessses, and its subsequent desire for "purification" and atonement. It seems clear that in these subsequent incarnations, the soul has often tried to sublimate, deny or project outward these raw Mars/Aries/Lilith energies, trying to evolve instead towards the relationship-oriented, emotional and transformational energies symbolized by its NN Libra in the 8th House-- and frequently becoming a "victim" in the process.

This is where the past-life, described by Kristin and Rad, wherein MJ's soul experienced castration, betrayal and victimization by authority figures over a taboo issue, makes total sense to me, as part of a trajectory wherein the soul--still undergoing the individuated rebellion against the consensus-- incarnates "judging" its more primal, assertive, phallic, instinctual energies as "bad" and thus through denial and projection, knowingly or not, invites masochistic victimization by consensus society. (Might it not have been possible in this lifetime that some positive assertion of Mars/Aries energy might have either prevented or amelierated the blatant victimization of this castration/betrayal experience?) I also sense that we can see with the positions of Ceres and Juno in Virgo, conjunct Pluto, that these more relationship-oriented archetypical energies have been--using Jason's terminology-- recent preoccupations of the soul, and yet their sign position suggests that once again, masochistic elements underlie this soul's most recent experiences of both nurturing/mothering and partnership/intimacy.

So, as best as I interpret this, we have a soul whose difficulties with the insensitive, raw, sexual power of Aries/Mars/Lilith has resulted in compensatory, masochistic lifetimes of disavowal and emotional/sexual victimization, which in turn create more wounding and more guilt. These are the dynamics I see reflected in the chart leading to the intentions of this lifetime, and explain "why" MJ seem to need both to reclaim and assert a dynamic, fiery creative force and self-expressiveness (Pluto/Sun, venus/Mercury/Pallas in Leo) that is unrestriced or fettered in any way (even by his body), and yet at the same time try to remain deeply sensitive, "pure", androgynous/asexual, and non aggressive (Pisces-Virgo polarity). The soul knows it needs to fulfill not only its more sensitizing, spiritual, relationship-oriented goals represented by the NN and PPP, but also to heal the wound to the masculine, reclaim and express more of its personal, vital creative power, and break the cycle of sadomasochism.  

Whether MJ was able to do all this is open to interpretation, and my own take is that he tried to embody the two desired soul needs by creating two personas (one for the stage, and one "private", which was also, ironically, served up to the public) with which he then tried to find union (Juno and Pallas conjunct Pluto/Sun).  I sense that his very poignant expression of being a pure-soul-too-good-for-this-world is, ultimately, just another masochistic archetypal "role" favored by the Virgo-Pisces polarity, and not his deepest self, which also must own up to the power and aggression and sexuality reflected by the SN node, and which he channeled into his artistic work and artistic persona. Would this be accurate, as others see it?

I think that his soul wanted this challenge, and that this is "why" there was a soul agreement for his father to operate in such an archetypal "bad father" fashion, to activate the issues around the masculine principle, and hopefully serve as a spur for MJ to claim the positive power of the SN in saying a firm "no" to the negative power represented by the father. There seem to be so many reasons why souls chose their challenging experiences, but in this case, I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of the excesses expressed by MJ's father in this life were not reflective of this soul's own behaviors during its individuation process, and the cause of the soul's initial core guilt. This archetypal challenge to heal and reclaim disowned patterns of masculine power may have happened, but it seems as if MJ still favored, and attracted, victimization experiences in this lifetime.

This is what I sense, focusing mostly on the SN/Mars challenges. I don't know whether this remotely anwers Jason's challenge to go "deeper" or not, but I have tried to show that I do have a sense of "why" this soul got to where it was in this incarnation, what some of its inner conflicts were, what it hoped to achieve, and where it may or may not have succeeded.  I've built upon what I posted earlier, but tried not to repeat too much of it.

Now, whether any of this is remotely on target, compared to what other experienced practitioners glean from this chart, is what I hope to discover.

Jason and Rad and anyone else, any comments, correction, feedback would be deeply and sincerely appreciated. Thanks again for this whole wonderful opportunity.



Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Gray on Jan 21, 2012, 06:31 PM
Hello Group,

We've had quite a  bit of snow in Olympia and my house has been out of power/electricity for the past few days and still currently is out of power.  I just stopped into a cafe to use the wifi briefly and wanted to let y'all know I will have to postpone any writing until a later time.  I haven't been able to read recent posts and do not have a print out of the MJ chart to work on.  Once I have access to Internet and power again I will catch up on what people have been posting and I hope to post on this thread at a later time, probably after the next transition of topics regarding MJ.

Peace and love,
Gray


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: mirta on Jan 22, 2012, 08:20 AM
Hi Jason, Rad and Group

Sorry but I am not able to post because my computer doesn’t function today. I have finished the analysis and needed only a couple of hours to complete the material’s organization and language revision, but I haven’t backup.
I will post as soon as I get it fixed, and will let you know if it takes long.
Thanks so much
God Bless
Mirta


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Linda on Jan 24, 2012, 02:06 AM
MICHAEL JACKSON

Core EA dynamics

3rd Stage Individuated


(http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab96/lindatjonson/MichaelJackson-1-1-1.jpg)



In seeking to understand the bottom line dynamics in the Soul of Michael Jackson, the SN of Pluto Capricorn Rx 11th (conj SN of Saturn, and both ruled by Saturn Sag 9th conj MC) describes past lifetimes of being a truly unique and gifted individual, a world citizen whose unique capacities and competencies had helped the consensus to evolve.  The majority of humans in the consensus state, 75%, have not yet become individualized.  They remain controlled by the dictates of man-made social and religious conditionings.  However, Michael is a truly unique androgynous Soul who has been of service to humankind for many lifetimes.  He had acted in a leadership position within matriarchal groups and cultures incarnating as a female (Vesta opp SNs of Pluto-Saturn and conj NNs of Ceres-Jupiter-Pluto-Saturn-Vesta).  There had been a necessity to re-live and repeat the transformational lessons of the retrograde SNs of Pluto-Saturn 11th by way of the principle of individuation which accelerated the ongoing evolution of his Soul.  His Lunar Nodes 2nd/8th form a Grand Cross with the SNs of Saturn-Pluto Cap 11th and the NNs of Saturn-Pluto-Jupiter-Vesta Cancer 5th.  This shows enormous reserves of power and determination from the past, but also a continuous pattern of developmental crisis, stress and resistance due to the fixed nature of these houses with the necessity to create new realities based on the cardinal energies.  With these SNs of Pluto-Saturn being ruled by Saturn Sag 9th conj MC, his Soul is evolving through Natural Laws which not only bring knowledge and expansion in wisdom and truth, but also adjustments (Virgo/Sag squ).  The SNs of Mars-Venus conj the North Node Libra 8th ruled by Venus Leo 6th conj Uranus, the SN of Chiron conj the South Node, and the NN of Chiron conj the North Node (forming part of the Grand Cross) indicates relationship stress originating from choices his Soul made in the past, and the karmic outcome of those choices reflected in his current life evolutionary lessons.  

With the NNs of Jupiter-Pluto-Saturn-Vesta Cancer 5th being ruled by Moon Pisces 1st (ruler Neptune Scorpio 8th;  opp Sun Virgo 6th) correlating to the water trinity of Cancer-Scorpio-Pisces, it is possible that Michael’s Soul has suffered delusions of grandeur via the separate self/ego, and this situation would require taking an evolutionary path of purification (Virgo) and metamorphosis (Scorpio) that would allow his Soul to evolve toward the 1st stage Spiritual where his ego would simply become part of the Ocean in its journey back to Source (Neptune balsamic conj Jupiter-North Node Libra 8th).  The challenge in this path is demonstrated by the Pluto polarity point Pisces 12th, and the spiritual path (wound) of Chiron Aquarius 12th (opp Uranus-Venus-Mercury Leo 6th).  A new evolutionary cycle was born giving him the opportunity to fulfill his Soul purpose of self-purification and self-improvement (Pluto Virgo 6th conj Amazone) through strengthening his self-worth (South Node 2nd), and developing his social consciousness upon the divine path of transformation  (North Node 8th).  

Accelerated transformation transpired in the current life through recreated experiences of trauma and judgment in the public spotlight (SN of Uranus conj Saturn-MC-Lucifer-SN of Vesta).  He himself had been abused as a child, and had (allegedly) become a child abuser.   The People -v- Jackson trial ended with Michael being found Not Guilty of allegations of child sexual abuse, however, it had cast a shroud of suspicion and doubt around him that never quite ended (Neptune balsamic conj Jupiter-North Node).  Ancient Saturnian lessons needed to be re-lived signified by SN of Saturn Rx 11th, ruler Saturn Sag 9th conj MC, accounting for feelings of intense alienation and rejection of his personal philosophy by society, resulting in trauma, crisis...and leading to self-analysis and rectification.  His idealized purpose of caring for the children came under public scrutiny, crashing through illusions that had been fixed in place for lifetimes (South Node of the Moon, Moon Pisces 1st).  


“Michael Jackson was a cheerleader for humanity and a force for coalescing compassion and
mobilizing global forces for change, philanthropy and social reform.  A global messenger,
Michael’s rise to stardom afforded him visibility and a worldwide platform from which to
broadcast his message. His boldness and artistry garnered attention and Michael knew
how to get attention. When he pulled enough people in and had everybody’s attention
—he emphatically delivered the message. It was cloaked in a form that everyone could
understand—the universal language of music.”
 
– B. Kaufmann


Pluto Virgo 6th

Michael’s Soul intention, as symbolized by Pluto Virgo 6th (ruled by Mercury Leo 6th and conj Sun-DC), had been to prepare to operate in society and in relationships as an equal and therefore to learn essential evolutionary lessons in discrimination, humility, personal purification, elimination of self-importance, and service to the whole.  He was learning how to separate actual reality from delusions or illusions, and to manifest an emotional/mental simplification in order to dissolve all old patterns that were preventing direct and conscious merging with the Source (PPP Pisces 12th, Moon Pisces 1st opp Sun).  His Soul intention was to fulfill his evolutionary work function in harmony with his bountiful natural capacities and gifts as directed by Source (Mars Taurus rules 2nd).  His popular music was credited with transforming the medium into an art form (Mars ruled by Venus Leo).  He is recognized as the most successful entertainer of all time by the Guinness World Records (Saturn conj MC, ruler Jupiter Libra conj North Node 8th).  The supreme effort and desire to achieve the ultimate ideal of perfection in his art brought advancement and self-improvement in an act of continual becoming of who he essentially was at a core level (SN Aries ruled by Mars Taurus 3rd).  In the posthumous movie, This Is It, those working with Michael mentioned how he worked extremely hard and very long hours to achieve perfection.  He would obsess over one note for a considerable amount of time until the musicians could play it to Michael’s high expectations (same with the dancers and singers).  He had exteriorized his inner genius into a creative self-expression that was truly exceptional and inimitable (Leo).  His career blossomed through amazing qualities of passion, vitality (Aries), strength, determination (Taurus), precision, meticulousness (Virgo), love, beauty (Libra), and a gentle spirit (Pisces).  

Sadomasochism and Escapism     The dynamics of sadomasochism correlated to having been abused by his father Joseph who had uncompromisingly shaped and molded the identity of Michael (and his brothers) into an image of showbiz success (Cancer rules 5th;  MC conj Saturn-Lucifer-SNs Uranus-Vesta;  Vesta Cancer 5th;  6th house ruled by the Sun).  His parents’ love was conditional in nature.  They had failed in providing the psychological security that Michael needed.  Michael’s emotional security and survival depended upon meeting the parents’ expectations, therefore he learned how to hide his emotions and needs in order to win his parents’ love.  (SN Aries 2nd, SN of Saturn 11th, Saturn/Sag conj MC, NN Saturn 5th).  Joe Jackson having treated his family in a sadistic way with notions of perfectionism that were almost impossible to meet, contributed to Michael’s obsession to seek physical perfection because he had internalized the message, “I’m never good enough” (Pluto opp Asc, Sun opp Moon, Virgo/Aries inconj, Sun rules 6th).  Michael’s history of childhood trauma brought on a fracturing of the self.  He had been essentially frightened, frustrated, insecure, emotionally deprived and full of omnipotent rage (SN 2nd ruled by Mars).  Not being comfortable in his own skin (literally) manifested the skin disease known as Vitiligo that changes skin tone.  He had created a phantasmagorical public image to protect and shield his inner self (Moon Pisces 1st ruled by Neptune Scorpio 8th, Saturn t-square Moon-Ceres) while retreating to a world of introspection where he created the alter ego of Peter Pan, a dreamy childlike fantasy to escape away from a harsh reality (Moon sesqu Neptune).
  
Crisis    All crises are transitions between two states of consciousness:  imbalance and stability.  Michael needed frequent expressions of independence (Sun/Leo ruling 6th house) so that he could have free reign in his creative work.  Michael’s free will had been thwarted by his father at an early age, blocking his kundalini energy (Pallas Leo 6th) and spiritual attunement (Chiron 12th).  So that Michael could grow into a spiritual being through a process of inner metamorphosis, he needed to come to terms with the role of service to others, transforming the egocentric, selfish, deluded patterns from the past (SN Aries, Mars ruled by Venus Leo 6th).  This experience had been necessary in order to induce the evolutionary lesson of humility by taking instructions from another individual in order to learn humility and to dissolve the personal crises that his Soul had created.  

Health issues    Michael’s Soul created illnesses as a way to impress upon himself the need for healing and adjustment (SN Aries ruled by Mars, Aries/Virgo inconjunct).  He had been diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder which made him vulnerable in self-esteem (SN Aries 2nd) and very sensitive to injury from criticism or defeat (Pluto Virgo 6th).  A psychological assessment carried out by Stephanie Brunner revealed that Michael had suffered from the following disorders, etiologies and symptoms:

•  Major Depressive Disorder
•  Drug Abuse (addicted or reliant on oxycontin, propofol short-acting hypnotic agent, prescription medications, psychotropics, anti-depressants)
•  Narcissistic Personality Disorder (a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, lack of empathy… often preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love…self-esteem invariably very fragile…may fish for compliments, often with great charm)
•  Body Dysmorphic Disorder (preoccupation with the shape, size or some other aspect of the nose, eyelids, eyebrows… lips, teeth, jaw, chin, cheeks, or head.  BDD is somewhat akin to a rabbit in pain:  the cry is so high-pitched that no one can hear the psychological pain and unconscious conflict being expressed.)
•  Skin condition, Vitiligo (change of colour of his skin)
•  Sleep Disorder due to Insomnia Type
•  Anorexia Nervosa
•  Victim of Child Abuse
•  Effect of Fame
•  Legal Problems

Mercury Leo Rx (ruler of Pluto)     Mercury correlates to the throat chakra, healing and service to others.  Taurus/2nd correlates to singing.  Mercury, ruler of Pluto and the 6th house, in retrograde condition, reflected an individuation process to re-live or repeat the dynamics of his mind and intellect in order to expand ideas of himself in relation to his environment (South Node 2nd, Mercury squ Mars, Mercury opp Chiron, SN of Chiron conj South Node).  The final dispositor of the chart is Mercury Leo 6th.  The 6th house containing 6 planets and 2 major asteroids is highly emphasized.  Mercury sextiles Neptune 6th/8th (respective rulers of Pluto-PPP).  Mercury exactly sextiles Asteroid Magdalena (conj North Node) 6th/8th, powerful symbol of divine service.  Mercury sextiles Jupiter 6th/8th, a global messenger.  Michael’s amazing lyrical talents had addressed social issues for liberation, freedom and equality:

“They Don’t Care About Us”
– addressing mistreatment by authority
“Black or White” – advancing racial equality
“We are the World” – Supergroup USA for Africa
“Heal the World” – sung by a collage of Earth’s children of all races and ethnic origins
“Earth Song” – environmental anthem
“Don’t Stop Till You Get Enough” – concept of ‘the Force’ that permeates creation
“Cry” – mission to change the world


“There are those rare visionaries who come along, maybe a few every millennia:  the Bodhisattvas
of the world. They are usually empaths who begin in childhood to literally feel the pain of the
world and make vows to the cosmos early in life to change or improve it. They go about
spreading awareness and mobilizing forces for change in order to make the world a
better place. Counted among them are: Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., Mother
Theresa, John Lennon, Lady Diana Spencer, His Holiness the Dalai Lama,
Mattie Stepanek, Nelson Mandela, and a little Moonwalker.”

– B.K.


Pluto polarity point Pisces 12th

Through the PPP Pisces 12th Michael’s Soul sought to dissolve all old mental, emotional and spiritual patterns that were preventing direct and conscious merging with Source.  His feelings of absolute aloneness throughout his life were meant to guide his Soul to the realization that only a relationship with the Divine could fill the existential void.  Therefore the current life intentions for his Soul brought forgiveness, tolerance and unconditional love for self and others.  The PPP induced the transition from deductive to inductive reasoning, thereby allowing him to arrive at a clearer understanding of his own self-concept and of life in general.  He often said it was intuitive energy, Force, or God who wrote his lyrics, performed and worked through him. He denied his own genius saying that his creativity and power did not come from him but through him (PPP, SN of Neptune Aquarius 11th, Mars squ Chiron 12th, NN of Neptune Leo 6th conj Uranus, NN of Mercury conj Pluto Virgo 6th).  


South Node Aries 2nd Rx

Michael’s South Node Aries 2nd reveals how his Soul’s evolutionary intentions had been actualized and consciously developed in the past.  In order to induce the evolutionary lesson of humility, service and self-improvement, in past lives Michael had closeted and insulated himself from the outside world in order to guard himself from external harm.  His Soul desires were internalized and geared toward self-protection and self-sustainment due to the pressure to survive.  He had lived an internal sadomasochistic psychology with inner messages of intense self-criticism, focus on perceived faults, weaknesses and imperfections.  He desired to stay at the bottom of the well in order to feel secure.  His SN of Mars conj the North Node correlated to a Soul desire to jump out of the well, to instinctively merge with others, and to force his Soul to evolve because of the limitations that had blocked him from evolving in the past.  Past life incapacity to jump out of the well deprived him of a human necessity:  the need for human intimacy.  In the current life he had lived in a insulated bubble surrounded by millions of people, but had been starved of human interaction, the giving and receiving of love, basic to his physical, mental and emotional well-being.  The old patterns of guarding his body could also account for the skin disease that he had contracted.  The inner urge for survival over many lifetimes resulted in becoming fixed and trapped into life circumstances that were geared for endurance at the expense of other aspects of his nature, such as relating to others.  His frustrated physical needs were sublimated into the spiritual aspirations of his PPP (widely conj Chiron).  


South Node Ruler Taurus 3rd

Michael’s Soul instinct for self-preservation was facilitated by a conscious and intelligent adaption to the environment through the collection of information, facts and data.  His past life identities had been intellectually curious and endeavoured to gather information, especially technical knowledge, and experience about the world, with a continuous intake of new information replacing the old.  Michael tended toward independence and a need for space so that he could express his will in an unrestrained manner.  Any restrictions of his desire nature to freely express his will in a state of continual becoming would cause frustration and mental distress.  It was imperative that he follow his impulsive nature so that he could discover his desires and then be able to act upon them.  Mars t-squ Venus-Uranus-Mercury and Chiron correlated to critical mental health issues:  sadomasochistic messages being internalized as persecutory (6th);  an overload of data (3rd) unable to be processed (6th);  and profound disillusionment and meaninglessness due to the fundamental limitations of the mind (12th).  The challenge had been to discern illusion from what is real.  Positively, this t-square translated into Michael being the “messenger” with a gift of natural fluidity in singing/writing/lyricism/dancing.
 
The South Node ruled by Mars Taurus 3rd – 3rd house ruled by Venus Leo 6th – describes a karmic signature of a past life relationship with a sibling.  The relationship had been extremely unbalanced and had attracted severe criticism, traumatizing and scarring Michael’s Soul with intense guilt and the need for forgiveness of self and his sibling (NN of Chiron conj North Node, SN of Chiron conj South Node).  The SNs of Venus-Mars Libra 8th conj the North Node Libra 8th.  This relationship had started and ended suddenly (Venus conj Uranus, Venus opp Chiron Aquarius 12th) and had left its mark.  With Venus in a balsamic relationship with Pluto, this karmic signature from the past had been resolving and culminating in the current life.  Mars inconj the North Node describes the necessity to learn humility in the face of ongoing crisis in terms of aligning his personal will with a higher will by stepping into social consciousness (8th).  Mars inconj Saturn/MC demanded lessons in humility in the face of public scrutiny.  His Soul intention, therefore, to atone and purify was fulfilled by way of transformation through personal crisis.


North Node Libra 8th

How the Soul consciously developed, or actualized, the evolutionary intentions for the life symbolized by the PPP.  Michael’s Soul desire had been to consciously unite with powerful activities, people and symbols that would take him to higher levels of expression beyond the limitations that had been preventing growth.  On-going lessons in self-reliance continued to occur.  He was learning how to merge himself and his resources with others so as to balance and harmonize his needs with the needs of others and to create something greater between the two.  Through penetrating to the core of his own and others’ psychology, he could transmute limitations and become aware of his and others’ psychology.  His need for independence was being balanced with his need to be in relationship with others.  Absolute aloneness had brought him closer to his relationship with Source, balancing his need to be safe within the well of his own making with the bigger picture of life.  The North Node opened him up to the natural law of giving, sharing and inclusion.  He had been learning how to objectively listen to others in order to know what to give them.  He attracted significant others who confronted him to open up and embrace life.  

His Soul had been a group-of-one (SN of Pluto 11th, SN Aries ruled by Mars), and through this evolutionary development had experienced a regeneration and renaissance that transformed him into a social individual, in closer contact with others.  The concentration on self changed into learning how to co-operate with others.  His independent spirit was channeled into human relationships, and his passion expanded into love.  The aggressiveness of the past gave way to beauty, gentleness, peace, balance and clear reasoning.  In response to social crisis, Michael responded by donating his services as a technician and artist (Venus 6th) to projects such as benefits, concerts, charities, orphanages, donating proceeds and paying homage to hungry children (North Node Libra 8th, ruler Venus Leo 6th).  He was moving into the social world by providing his services, thereby becoming a contributor to the productivity and growth of the whole, while bringing about metamorphosis and self-improvement on a personal level.  Since he had a fear of criticism, he made sure to be conscientious, precise and meticulous in all that he did.  He had expressed on many occasions his faith in God.  He was letting go and leaving room for God (North Node conj NN of Chiron).  


North Node Ruler Venus Leo 6th

Another lesson that Michael was learning in this life was that of self-love (Venus Leo 6th).  With Virgo on the 7th house cusp, he attracted (Venus) basically two types of people:  those who were (1) critical of him (the inner reflecting the outer), examples being his father and the media;  and (2) those who would praise him such as his fans and his children (Venus Leo, NN of Venus 5th).  His internal dialogue for many past lives had been based on a sadomasochistic pathology, self-critical, fault-finding, undeserving of love, with inner messages of deserving pain, punishment, crisis, humiliation and denial.  Why?

Bad – Michael Jackson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4lyHTibTGc&feature=related

These self-critical messages can be traced to his childhood in the current life, and also to the distant karmic past (Mars 3rd ruled by Venus Leo 6th, SN Venus Libra 8th) when he had experienced severe imbalances and inequalities in intimate relationships, teacher/student relationships, and with people in his daily environment, such as siblings.  There had been problems in the areas of communication, listening, duplicity, lies, deception, self-delusion, passive-aggressive behaviour, secrecy, betrayal, abandonment, dissolution, and loss (Neptune conj SN of Mars 8th, SN of Mercury squ NN of Mars).  It is probable that in some relationships he suffered or inflicted physical and/or verbal abuse.  The roles of sadist and masochist had interchanged, with the dynamics of dominance and submission operating simultaneously within Michael’s consciousness (Sun opp Moon, t-squ Moon-Saturn-Ceres).  The repeating crises eventually lead to a limit (Pluto), when he would totally exhaust the limiting pattern (SNs of Venus-Mars balsamic conj North Node Libra 8th), start to open his heart (NN of Venus Leo 5th), and work towards being of service to others.  The emptiness or existential void within his Soul over many lifetimes manifested outwardly as needing many other people in his life to “fill him up,” to give him what he felt was lacking.  


"I am going to say something I have never said before and this is the truth. I have no reason to lie
to you and God knows I am telling the truth. I think all my success and fame, and I have wanted it,
I have wanted it because I wanted to be loved. That's all. That's the real truth. I wanted people to
love me, truly love me, because I never really felt loved. I said I know I have an ability. Maybe if
I sharpened my craft, maybe people will love me more. I just wanted to be loved because I think
it is very important to be loved and to tell people that you love them and to look in their eyes
and say it."

– M.J.


Michael’s SNs of Mars-Venus conj the North Node Libra (ruled by Venus Leo 6th) correlates to a Soul desire to finally rise up out of the well, to spontaneously follow instincts, develop sexual magnetism, merge with others, and force his Soul to evolve because of the limitations that had blocked him from evolving in past lives.  He broke through the limitations he had created by attracting significant others who would act as catalysts to his transformation.  He co-created his own destiny and connected it to love through the strength of his free will.  He opened up to new ways of relating to others, checked the expression of his narcissistic will, learned how to listen and balance his needs with others.  In this way, he was learning how to restore balance and equality to his relationships that allowed him to express his intimate self on the stage (SNs of Mars-Venus-Natural Lilith conj North Node Libra 8th). 


Chiron Aquarius 12th    Chiron Aquarius 12th Rx represented one of the deepest wounds Michael had to face.  This problem dealt with the relentless memories of past life karma that had yet to be transfigured into a new cycle.  It affected his sleep patterns and his actions because something in the past had not been brought to a natural conclusion.  With the SN of Chiron conj the South Node, and the NN of Chiron conj the North Node, this wound had been around for countless lifetimes.  There had been a necessity to finally transfigure and liberate himself from this wound.  His Chiron retrograde was magnetic and could draw in healing powers through Source energy.  Chiron Aquarius 12th Rx, ruled by Uranus Leo 6th, meant that Michael's spirituality had been frustrated until a way of surrender and letting go could be expressed.  Resistance had impacted his mental health causing him to bury the anger/violence/wounds sustained through sadomasochistic relationships deep within the subconscious (Chiron opp Uranus, Mars squ Uranus).  He had been a group-of-one within the larger picture, keeping his distance, detaching from most people, living in seclusion and secrecy, until his liberation could come about through carrying out the spiritual aspirations of his PPP (Chiron sextile Saturn-MC).  With the NN of Chiron conj the North Node, this wound (and also healing energy) would be carried over into future lives.  Michael’s Mystic Rectangle (Chiron 12th – BML-South Node 2nd – Venus-Pallas-Mercury 6th – Jupiter-North Node 8th) meant an important step in personal growth and spiritual development.  The tensions that arose in his life did not go away, but were sublimated toward the completion of a significant life-task.  


Vesta – skipped steps (Vesta Cancer 5th t-squ Lunar Nodes with the resolution node being the South Node 2nd).   Michael’s Vesta skipped steps refer to unresolved issues that had impacted upon the formation of his self-image.  An alternative explanation of his regression into boyhood can be interpreted in light of his Vesta skipped steps.  It is possible that there had been unresolved gender issues, such as a recent gender switch resulting in a strong identification with the opposite gender.  He had been born into a family that had struggled to survive (2nd).  His childhood had been torn away due to the pressure to shine as a child star.  His creativity carried with it a core insecurity (Cancer 5th) because his emotional needs had not been met as a child.  By pulling his energies back from others and working in solitude (2nd) he had been able to focus on and supply his inner needs thus bringing about self-renewal.  He recovered his self-esteem and will power through integrating the power of the self (Aries) with the power to bring the visions of his art to life (5th) so as to perfect his sacred work.  


Michael’s spiritual commitment to the children included his own children whom he was exceptionally devoted to.  He created his own fantasy retreat, Neverland, and his emotional self-reliance was apparent as he explored the second childhood that he had missed out on.  As a creative genius, Michael was an eagle in flight, bringing forth the intensity and discipline of the SNs of Pluto-Saturn, and expressing his unique individuality in beautiful harmony.  His music and love of children were intertwined, both being aspects of his creativity (5th).  He did everything in his power to protect and care for the children of the world.  In turn, the children offered him a sense of security as he nurtured them as a mother would, reflected in the matriarchy of the past.  The difficulty had been lack of understanding and trust (Jupiter) by the consensus group – his uniqueness misunderstood – as it accused him of sexual misconduct, while the individuated group admired his child-like innocence.  Having the Moon in Pisces, Michael had been a friend to the children offering them unconditional love, but most people on earth did not understand his brand of Neptunian love.   


(http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab96/lindatjonson/MichaelJackson-1-2.jpg)



We Are The World (co-written by Michael Jackson)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy1gp3F5NhY




Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: mirta on Jan 24, 2012, 01:29 PM
Hi Jason, Rad and Group,

Michael Jackson
Pluto in 6th house in Virgo, SN in 2nd house in Aries; PPP in 12th house Pisces conjunct Dionysus, NN in 8th house Libra
                                                      
                                                         I saw him by seeing myself. I watched him when looking at me.
                                                                 Donysus as his own priest, about the god  
 
Dionysus was a god with multiple faces. Presenting himself always masked, he challenged humans to see him underneath his mask or starting from it. Dionysus has to teach humans “to see what it’s necessary to see”, what is evident underneath the disguise of the invisible.

This Soul is and has been learning lessons of self improvement, self reliance, humility, purification and self perfection.
Pluto’s ruler Mercury is in this same 6th house but in Leo, thus reflecting the intention to serve the All and develop humility but still carrying 5th house’s narcissistic orientation.
NN in Libra conjunct Neptune reflects clearly the transition the Soul is living or at least intending, promoting evolutionary lessons of humility and purification, learning what It is not and giving priority to the Other and the All. Instead of turning reality what the individual is and wants, the Soul is beginning to recognize Reality as well as the other’s reality.
Creative work and self-analysis are the way of learning these lessons. The purification process required elimination of patterns of egocentric self-identification and illusions of grandeur.    This elimination of memories of prior mistakes or incorrect actions imprinted in the soul and the individuated Unconscious (Uranus in 6th house in Leo) is promoted by a pattern of correction. However, some aspects of this correction pattern are not conscious, thus he was living an obsessive feeling of what should be, reflected in his obsessive intents of correcting his face, sometimes manifested in a destructive way, as with his nose or lupus.
The literalization and corporealization of his metamorphosis also suggest and incorrect definition of what should be corrected. In addition, the anorexia he was diagnosed can reflect an “addiction to
perfection”.
Compulsive focusing in these imperfections and lack can hinder realization and actualization of the Soul’s potential and capacities. But at the same time it seems to be a transitional phase in which the psyche, not bearing pain expulses it to the body as symptoms intended  to facilitate awareness and resolution dealing with them in the physical plane but in a symbolical way, as an interface to psychic elaboration and spiritual evolution.
Then, physical crises, illness, were intended to induce ego awareness of what needed transformation and discovering its deep causes by analysis. Therefore the importance of not seeing them only in a physical sense, (by himself, his healers and observers).
That profound sense of imperfection is partially based in the guilt deeply established in this Soul, and crises are continually created as a way to compensate its causes and sources, reflecting a need of punishment, self-sacrifice or lack of self-reliance, but also to induce self-analysis.
Understanding the body mind/relationship but also its link to spirit is at the same time instinctual and evolutionarily necessary. The Soul was not only trying to atone, but also to comprehend, getting a deeper meaning.
He was doing the passage from literality to a symbolic plane through his body issues; symbol depends on right brain, and it’s healing, especially when the Soul comes from much linear thinking affecting his body and self image.( (PPP, Moon and Ascendant in Pisces, NN conjunct Jupiter, Saturn’s ruler, and Neptune, Mercury RX in 6th house and ruler of 4th house).
Such an emphasis in Virgo/6th house, together with Libra NN and Vesta balsamic semisquare Pluto, gives a transitional flavor and meaning to this lifetime. The transition to a new emergent order, from which Dionysus conjunct PPP in Pisces is a harbinger, allows considering all his internal fractures and external surgeries and almost mutilations as symbolic.  Symbolic because of its complex constitution and expression of many psychic aspects, as well as expression of what can be seen on it, but also of the unknown, the invisible underneath the visible (Jung)

With SN in 2nd house in Aries the Soul has desired self reliance and self sufficiency, on an emotional and physical level, and has sought self assertion and individuality.
Courage and will to be different and innovative was sometimes actualized pushing the limits and creating crises with consensus society and is one of the causes of trauma (Mars t-square Venus Uranus and Chiron; Mars inconjunct Saturn; SN t-square Jupiter and Vesta, indeed a Grand Cross with SN Saturn and Pluto).
Independence and freedom were survival resources; in the individuated stage, identification with these survival resources was strong.
However, the Taurean resistance to the need to opening to new self- discovering experiences was one of the causes of identity crises that produced (in the past and the current lifetime) implosions that derived in cycles of torment and rage, compulsive attitudes and disorganized impulses.

This Soul had and has several problems with limits and limitations (that I will explore further in another paragraph). Here we can see a conflict between the 2nd house need of keeping in its own “well” limits, and a tendency to pushing limits; the resistance to overcome internal limitations led the Soul to projecting in others the cause of limitations and produced disorganized, impulsive actions, anger and even physical violence that created trauma to others and that is part of the guilt and trauma that the Soul carries. (Mars T-square Venus Uranus conjunct DML and Chiron in Aquarius; Mars inconjunct Saturn conjunct Lucifer in Sag (natural guilt) that are conjunct Uranus SN).Patriarchal violence over women is also possible (Mars inconjunct Lilith conjunct SN Mars and Venus in 8th house; Mars trine SN Saturn and Pluto in Cap).
Lack of sensitivity to the other, to the different, to the stranger is reflected in his SN in 2nd house, and its ruler Mars in Taurus in 3rd T-square Chiron and Uranus Venus (8th house ruler); The FP inconjunction to NN, Jupiter and Neptune in Libra reflects the emotional confrontations the Soul needed in order to induce social humility and purification).
In addition, Dionysus in Aquarius is opposite Pluto and its retrograde ruler and square SN ruler, both in 6th house.
Dionysus represents the figure of the other, the different, the upsetting, of who is out of the norm,  opposing the Theban king Pentheus, who represents the Greek consensus man who valorizes aristocratic behavior, reasoning and self-control;  that of course involved disdain for women –‘dominated by their emotions’ - and control over them, together with contempt for strangers, with different skin.
In this chart Dionysus symbolizes his prior lack of sensitivity to the other, as well as his current provocation of horror in the eyes and faces of who were unable to accept the difference. Dionysus returns to his natal Thebes found lack of understanding because of people’s impossibility of establishing a link between their identity and the different, and his presence and cult forced them to take a different look at themselves ; horror projected then on the faces of who wasn’t able to accept the other. Who strongly tried to hold on to identity ended falling in absolute alterity (?).
        
 Psyche in a Grand Cross opposite Mars, square Chiron and Venus suggests that he is throwing off prior lack of sensitivity to others as well as a blocked psychic awareness of the inability to relate, cause of his wounds, traumas and fractures in his identity now in crisis. (Psyche inconjunct 2nd house Aries SN )
In this lifetime , the Grand Trine Vesta and Moon sextile Ceres in Virgo in 7th conjunct NN Juno and Venus  reflects awareness of the other’s emotional needs and integrity, as well as empathy and communication and nurturing skills to children.

SN in Aries carries anger at anything or anyone who restricts freedom and independence in order to grow . The crucial lesson is learning to use anger in a constructive way in order to eliminate personal limitations and allowing Soul’s evolution. This anger emanating from within himself in relation to inner limitations as well as unresolved anger at the society,  was in the current lifetime manifested against himself, his own body, and even as suicide desire.
Although the Soul has clearly emerged from consensus and liberated from conditioning consensus patterns, he still needs to objectify internal patterns of conditioning and fracturing, because  there are still residues of lack of self-reliance that require that the Soul complete its process of self-objectification that trauma and skipped steps  hindered (Venus, ruler of SN ruler and SN Chiron, and  NN ruler T-square SN ruler, opposite Chiron and conjunct Uranus.). This lack in the inner relationship with himself is projected on his body and image. (Venus is also conjunct Pallas and Mercury RX, ruling Pluto and Sun as well as 6th and 4th houses).
However, he also had desire and courage to break free from such conditioning patterns and manifested the ability to use stress to create positive change and creative actualization. (SN Grand Trine Saturn and Uranus ,Venus, Pallas and Mercury in Leo).  
SN semisquare PP suggests the need, and desire, to pull away from past conditioning that hindered self reliance and to meeting the needs from within, as well as establishing ultimate meaning through an internal relationship with the Source. Disillusionment and awareness of deeper levels of reality, confronting and purging internal limitations, is necessary to it (PP and Moon ruler Neptune in Scorpio in 8th house conjunct NN and sesquiquadrate Moon).    


Self-identity was mostly  based on body, even a literality of body consciousness, that in this lifetime needs to be balanced with psychic awareness (  SN in 2nd house in Aries, ruler Mars in Taurus, Vesta skipped steps, NN in 8th house, Psyche in Scorpio)
The intense need of survival and self- sustainment in the physical plane together with the physical wounds (Chiron SN in Taurus in 2nd conjunct SN) created an attachment to the physical body, more even, a tendency to live experiences at a physical level sometimes materializing symbols, as well as some somatic literalization of psychic meanings.  
This is caused by the memories stored in his etheric body (basic and literal), and intensified by the split between body and mind caused by trauma (Chiron in Aquarius in 12th, T-square Mars in Taurus and opposition Mercury and Venus Uranus in 6th house)  
These wounds of course not only affected and kept stored in the etheric body but also in the emotional body and memory, and seriously damaged the individual’s unconscious body image      (Moon inconjunct Uranus in 6th house, semisquare Chiron SN, Chiron  sextile SN and inconjunct Vesta in Cancer).
Trauma and wounds are related to guilt because of the violence exerted on others or for pushing limits , but fundamentally the damage in the unconscious body image was caused by the violence and devaluation suffered by this Soul’s emotional and physical bodies.

As a woman the Soul was victim of violence and that is the cause of his current damaged anima. In a feminine body this Soul suffered traumatic patriarchal violence, may be individual and collective, sexual, physical and psychological (SN Chiron opposite Moon ruler Neptune in 8th house; Mars T-square Venus Uranus and Chiron; SN conjunct Chiron in Grand Cross with Lilith conjunct SN Mars and Venus in 8th, Saturn and Pluto SN in Cap in 11th and Vesta in Cancer in 5th).
This patriarchal violence was also manifested as the need to use the body as a resource for survival by means of prostitution with the consequence of bodily degradation and anima devaluation ( SN in 2nd, ruler in 3rd in Taurus; Lilith, Venus and Mars SN in 8th; Venus conjunct Uranus, Pallas, Mercury and DML in 6th house ).
All this produced in this Soul a serious anima damage , being his fractured unconscious  body image    - (Moon square Saturn conjunct SN Vesta and Lucifer, Moon FP inconjunct Venus,  Venus FP inconjunct Pluto and Saturn SN; Lilith in Libra conjunct South Venus opposite SN conjunct BML; square SN Saturn and Pluto, sextile Lucifer conjunct Saturn conjunct SN Vesta;  Venus conjunct Uranus in 6th house T-square Mars and Chiron in Aquarius ) - and his fractured self-identity, self- image  and skin problems  -(Vesta in Cancer  skipped steps, opposite SN Saturn and Pluto, Vesta inconjunct Saturn and Chiron) –
consequence of it.

PPP in 12th house Pisces conjunct Dionysus in Aquarius With PPP in Pisces the evolutionary intention is to simplify and dissolve old mental and emotional barriers to self-understanding. This requires tolerance for all the mistakes, imperfections and faults and consequent self-forgiveness;  that would change the way the Soul  hears and sees itself and other people and will allow to unconditional loving itself and others.
Only Love and relationship with the Divine will alleviate pain and reunite the fractured aspects of identity that are still hindering complete individuation and crossing the threshold to the spiritual evolutionary state.
Dionysus conjunct Chiron and PPP reflects the Soul’s intention to live the fractures as a way to resolve them in a superior order that is emerging. “Healing comes . . . by means of a consciousness split by dismembering” (James Hillman)(I am translating from Spanish translation)
Dionysus in 12th house in Aquarius shows the intention to “see” in a holistic and unitive way consequence of observation, objetivation and discrimination. After learning from Aquarius differentiation and trauma’s splitting the Soul is able to rescue its innocence without being naïve and to unite but aware of differences, as well as living ideals as high aspirations instead of idealizations and illusions.(Dionysus SN conjunct Jupiter and Neptune in 8th house Libra)
PPP also promotes elucidation of the individual’s relationship with other persons (also NN in Libra in 8th house), as well as awareness of priorities.
Through the Pisces sensitive experience that the Soul has done through the current egocentric structure, the PPP intention of reuniting mind, body and spirit will allow that this Virgo Soul manifest its true and sincere desire to serve the Creator and allow Him to use It as a channel of love.

I see in this soul’s manifestations and chart what psychoanalysis calls a narcissism disorder related to his anorexia, problems with his self-image, face image and unconscious body image.
I am not referring to a NPD as diagnosed according to DSM, but to psychoanalytic conception of it.  As I don’t know the accurate English terminology for what I mean, I need to add some psychological notes in order to explain myself and get EA validation/correction  to what I am saying.
Freud used the term narcissism to refer the constitution of the I, the ego. He named Primary narcissism the libido phase in which the infant doesn’t yet distinguish between himself as the mother, and takes himself as love object, thus a self erotic  and undifferentiated phase ( whose prototype is intrauterine life), without distinction between the exterior world and himself.
The I (ego) constitution by separation from the mother creates equilibrium in the libido, now directed to the objects is the Secondary narcissism. Lacan identified this narcissism (ego) formation with the Mirror Phase, in which the infant (circa 18 months old) recognizes his image in the mirror different from his mother’s: “That’s me!”   Here is seen the image’s relation to narcissism‘s constitution.
Narcissism disorders as seen by contemporary psychoanalysis are disorders in the process of separation from the mother, in which the child remains without safe I boundaries with her, and over- identified with her.  Anorexia, bulimia and borderline personalities are pathologies caused by narcissism disorders.
His diagnosed anorexia led me here. And in his chart this is first seen in his Pisces Moon and Ascendant opposite Virgo Pluto and Sun. Pisces Moon sesquisquare Neptune and inconjunct Uranus reflects the possibility of an absence of clear limits. In addition, with Neptune opposite SN his Virgo Soul shares in Pisces lack of boundaries, internalizing its psychic surrounding environment, although he may not be aware that what inhabits his interior space doesn’t belong to him.
Moon is in a defacto opposition to Pluto, through Ascendant and Sun. This reflects an evolutionary intention to produce a metamorphosis in the Soul’s emotions and self-image. But also the possibility of displaced emotions because of not having been nurtured in the way needed he needed.
 In addition  Moon is Vesta ruler and Vesta‘s skipped steps reflect that the Soul’s  self identity and self image has been flip flopping between establishing  individualistic and closed boundaries and limits , and opening to the other, sometimes  acknowledging the other’s individuality; but also merging without discrimination. Individual boundaries and limits were clouded. (NN in Libra in 8th house conjunct Neptune in Scorpio)
Moon opposition Ceres in 7th house reflects that the Soul projects onto others the  expectation of being nurtured in the way it needs, in this case the mother; at the same time his ego structure can receive the mother’s projections.  The opposition shows the need of throwing off dependencies in order to become emotionally nurtured and self-reliant. The projection and undifferentiation is also seen in Moon FQP sesquisquare Jupiter in Libra and Moon Gibbous sesquisquare Neptune and Moon inconjunct Venus.
With nurturing he also has internalized the projected intense emotional - and actualization - expectations of his mother (Ceres opposition Moon, Ceres ruled by Mercury in Leo,).
Saturn square Moon suggests that the mother could not have been an objective mediator between his needs and reality. Furthermore, his abusive father very probably failed (as frequently happens) in actualizing the paternal function of cutting the symbiotic bond between the infant and his mother. On the contrary, the mother’s child relationship becomes then too close as a defense mechanism, with the consequent psychic dysfunctions (Saturn conjunct Lucifer T-square Ceres and Moon, inconjunct Vesta and Mars).
He said that his mother was ‘perfect’.

In synastry, his mother’s Pluto is partile conjunction Vesta in his 5th house, reflecting an intimate prior relationship, or a son/daughter relationship. With her Vesta in his 5th house conjunct Venus Uranus and her SN of Vesta trine his SN Venus, Lilith and Mars in 8th house I see the possibility of she having been a vestal initiator for him. He is trying to reconnect with a Soul layer prior to the patriarchal damage to feminine and sexuality, but in an undifferentiated way.
Katherine’s Neptune conjunct his Pluto conjunct Sun, clouding his Soul limits and purpose, while her SN conjunct his Neptune in 8th house, suggests that this clouding could have happened in prior lives, and its sesquisquare his Moon confuses his egocentric purpose and reality.
In addition, there is a Composite Grand Cross embracing Neptune (trine SN) opposite Chiron, and squaring Saturn and Sun.
Mother’s Sun and Chiron are conjunct his Mars, suggesting that  he is acting upon his mother’s purpose and wounds together with his own desires, also because mother’s Taurus Chiron squares his Chiron in 12th house: together with past life contact there was an absorption of Mother’s wounds during gestation. Katherine gave up to her artistic desire because a black woman would never achieve it.
However, her Mars-Uranus is trine his Venus Uranus in a Grand Trine with Saturn, the relationship is healing his guilt and trauma splitting, or fracturing.

In Michael’s chart, Moon inconjunct Venus Uranus reflects the necessary objectification that crisis are promoting, mother has to be a love object, not confused with him.
Instead of repairing the fracture that trauma produced in his self identity, integrating the different aspects of his soul in his own ego structure, he was trying to complete it through internal symbiosis with his mother. (Vesta inconjunct Chiron in Aquarius, trine its ruler Moon in Pisces).
But individuation requires integration after having differentiated; that would be the next step, a necessary discernment to complete the Individuated state and make possible a conscious merging with the Source in the Spiritual state.

This can also be seen as self-cancelation, another form of self-sacrifice; and one of the causes is the guilt for the abortion pointed out by Kristin, for not having allowed a child to be, and for separating this fetus from her mother. In a way he could try to self-abort his individuality, while symbolically perpetuating the mother-child union.

Now the Soul needs to recover individual limits learning from the wounds that its “frog in the well” alienation created, transforming his distorted self image in a healthy expression, using its Arian courage to get rid form its delusions and impurities -  (SN conjunct SN Chiron and BML, Vesta skipped steps, resolution node SN in 2nd house Aries) - and from his addiction to perfection. Uranus devoured his children because they were imperfect. One of them, Kronos, castrated his father to stop him, to put limits. From Uranus genitals Aphrodite was born. The love he is seeking and already giving will be possible by acceptation of imperfection and limits, by forgiving himself and accepting the other, the differences (Dionysus in 12th house conjunct PPP in Pisces) .  
The Grand Trine between Saturn, Uranus conjunct Venus and SN conjunct BML reflects that the soul was already working on that, and the current kite with the NN in Libra in 8th house reflects the profound aspiration to resolve the Soul’s limits/ union/relationship problems that affected its relationships and the inner relationship damaged by trauma, projections and guilt.
Symbolic castration, an evolutionary step further physical, may also be a transition to a mature acceptation of psychological and reality limits that saturnine frustrations promote.

There are several indications of limits issues: SN Aries suggests that in former lives the Soul has tried to push limits established by others, by family, society and even by Natural Law but strongly keeping within its own security space and limits (SN Aries opposite Jupiter in Libra, ruler Mars in Taurus in 3rd inconjunct Saturn square Venus Uranus and Mercury) .
With PPP in 12th house Pisces the evolutionary intention is dissolution of limits regarding union with the Source, in an evolved extreme of the archetypal spectrum.
However, if emotionally undeveloped or with a distorted experience of limits, as seem to be with this Soul, it can manifest as absence of limits in an individual form, the other extreme of the archetype’s spectrum.
With NN conjunct Neptune, the PP, Ascendant and Moon’s ruler in Libra 8th house the mode of realizing that intention is overcoming limitations by understanding the causes of them, throwing off projections, reclaiming the alienated psychic aspects and creating safe ego boundaries in order to establish a safe and individuated narcissism that will allow the regenerative potential of wounds. (NN sextile Saturn and Venus Uranus in Leo conjunct Mercury and Pluto, trine Chiron in Aquarius in 12th)
Psyche in Scorpio in 9th house sextile Ceres may be a integrating and awareness factor, helping him learning to nurture himself from within, eliminating external dependencies and internalizing emotional self-reliance with the consequent metamorphosis of his self-image.  Until that, compulsive emotions like self rage and loathing resulted because of the feeling of powerless to change these emotional patterns, even suicide thoughts. ( Ceres opposite Mars in 3rd house;  Moon ruler Neptune in 8th house, Mars square ruler 8th house and Pluto’s ruler, SN Mars and Venus in 8th house, Neptune opposition SN) I wonder if he committed suicide in a former life, and I suspect that his insomnia could be related to it, fear of death.

Related to limits, the Soul also brings issues related to union/separation themes.  
While former ego structures have developed an excessively self-containing and alienated individuality, in this life the Soul needs merging with others and other powers in an inter-related way that requires an objective awareness of self, constructing an individuated self. (SN in 2nd house Aries, ruler Mars T- square Uranus and Chiron in Aquarius in 12th ;NN in 8th house in Libra, ruler Venus in Leo conjunct Uranus , trine Chiron and Dionysus, balsamic  conjunction SN Dionysus and NN Chiron in Libra in  8th house.)
 This inter-related and committed unions (or possibility of union) have been wounded, (Venus T-square), skipped (Vesta skipped steps) and clouded (Neptune opposition SN), and resulted in a lack of a subtle discernment of boundaries that is also part of the transitional Virgo archetype and seen here as part of the current intention with Virgo Sun conjunct Pluto and Juno and ruled by Venus in Leo, also NN ruler.
Lupus, another of his diseases also relates to his problems with union, self reliance and self limits. Autoimmune disease in which the organism attacks its own collagen tissue - part of the conjunctive (connective and supportive) tissue, it’s produced because the immune system doesn’t distinguish between external enemies and itself.
This  is also related to guilt (3rd house Mars inconjunct Jupiter in Libra in 8th house and Saturn; Saturn square Moon  and Virgo Ceres conjunct Mercury SN in 7th house, conjunct  Juno in 6th house), in particular to his sexual relationship with his sister and the pregnancy interruption by his father and her death, pointed out by Kristin and Rad.
But in all his diseases, surgeries and image changes we can see an intent of overcoming physical  and etherical’s body  literality  and entering in an symbolical body experience as a interface to the internal elaboration of pain and guilt in order to  attain self acceptation and metamorphosis.
With his external form changes he is giving a step to his Soul metamorphosis (PPP in 12th house Pisces conjunct Dionysus).

Thanks Jason for you research proposal. I like you embracing view, and appreciate the opportunity of enlarging mine.
I tried to keep within our firm grounds, but Dionysus (and also Psyche) resonated very frequently reading about him and looking at his chart.

 I appreciate any correction.
  
Thanks Rad for your continuous guidance, for making possible all this work, and this group.
God Bless
Mirta



Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Gonzalo on Jan 25, 2012, 11:36 AM
Hi Rad, Jason, and group

I am posting my thoughts on some aspects of Michael Jackson's main evolutionary axis ...

Hoping to read the others posts, and much thankful for any observations and feedback.

God Bless,

Gonzalo

Michael Jackson
Third stage Individuated condition
Main Evolutionary axis


Pluto in the 6th House Virgo reveals a Soul that has been defined by desires to be of service to society and who has been actualizing itself through the work dynamic. The Soul has created an intense focus of self-analysis and discrimination in order to become a ‘better’ person, in order to be of service to others. Because the 6th House cusp is Leo, the Soul has had desires for creative self-actualization through the work and service orientation, and Pluto being in Virgo indicates the Soul has reached a point where it has began to feel empty, pointing to an exhaustion reached because of the work dynamic and an stagnation of this orientation. The 6th House ruler is the Sun, which is Virgo, balsamic conjunct Pluto, the Pluto/Sun ruler is Mercury, which is Rx in Leo 6th House, also Balsamic conjunct Pluto, and Mercury rules the 7th and 4th Houses. These symbols reflect being made to work as a child and the displacement of natural expectations of receiving love and positive feedback from the parents as a child, which have gone unmet, to working on a stage in order to receive such type of recognition, ie. becoming a vicarious extension of the parents or someone else’s reality and desires. The boy has been made to feel that he would only deserve love by meeting the parents (or other people’s) expectations:

"I am going to say something I have never said before and this is the truth. I have no reason to lie to you and God knows I am telling the truth. I think all my success and fame, and I have wanted it, I have wanted it because I wanted to be loved. That's all. That's the real truth. I wanted people to love me, truly love me, because I never really felt loved. I said I know I have an ability. Maybe if I sharpened my craft, maybe people will love me more. I just wanted to be loved because I think it is very important to be loved and to tell people that you love them and to look in their eyes and say it."

The crises and the emptiness experienced by the Soul because of being in these subservient roles, impacting in his performance, have been manipulated in order to make him feel guilty whenever he would not meet the parents’ expectations, and to get him to work more in order to have those expectations met. They also reflect that the Soul has been acting out not only its own displaced emotions in this way, but at same time the desires of other people and his family, who have manipulated the development of the boy in order to make a living based on the boy’s capacities and work.

With the S.Node being in the 2nd House, Aries, the boy’s inherent resources and nature have been used in this way, and directed to fulfill the intentions and survival agendas of other people including the families of birth. This implies the life and the life force of the Soul being ‘owned’ by others- sometimes literally- being bought and sold: the S.Node ruler being in the 3rd House, Taurus, ruled by Venus, which is in Leo in the 6th House again.

Further, this implies a submission of the life force and the Soul’s instinctive nature which has been tamed, harnessed, and trained or made to perform according to the desires of the ‘owners’, while experiencing a fundamental alienation because of the changes and restrictions in the immediate environment, ie. confinement, in which he would chose to focus in the work and the learning of skills in order to survive. Thus, his Soul in those lifetimes has become valuable in a relative way because of the capacities and skills that the Soul has been able to learn in those limited contexts. The limitation of those contexts that the Soul created enforced the relative expansion of the intellectual, physical and creative capacities. The S.Node ruler being in the 3rd House, Taurus reflects that a relative expansion has been occurring through intellectual exploration, which, however, has been limited. The implied limitations have basis on the pre-existing orientation to work, meaning the new knowledge the Soul has desired has been specifically oriented to having instrumental application. The Soul has further desired to fill the inner emptiness by importing information and knowledge (thus, having 10,000 books at home). Because Pluto is in the 6th House Virgo, and the S.Node in the 2nd House Aries, trine Pluto, a compulsive gravitation has existed to knowledge forms which confirm the feelings and thoughts of being ‘wrong’ or less than perfect, feeding the self-analysis of critical nature.

The Soul has created these experiences in which it has been learning about self in indirect ways, by needing to embrace from types of information, knowledge, pedagogies, training programs, whose nature is determined by the requirements of somebody else’s business. And further, has been required to apply the own life force in ways that are totally subject to somebody else’s will. The submission has been induced through violence, captivity, application of torments, mutilations, and devices to limit the movement such as shackles, ropes … being treated “as an animal”, etc. There is an enormous amount of stored rage resulting from the submission (South Node Aries 2nd House, Mars square Pluto). This overall archetypical dynamic has been in place along many lifetimes in which different manifestations have existed of this rage, depending on the evolutionary condition of the Soul in those lifetimes. Along the 2nd Individuated, the Mars T-square Chiron 12th House Aquarius and the strong Leo energy within the 6th House-Uranus/Venus/Pallas/Mercury Rx, reflect violent rebellions of oppressed peoples (Pluto 6th House rules the 9th House, the south node of Pluto is in the 11th House, and Saturn is in the 9th House Sagittarius), and the crises resulting from these rebellions, in which many tines the pre-existing established order has been restored through violence (Mars squares Pluto within the Disseminating phase, Mars rules the South Node, which is in the 2nd House, relative to Pluto 6th House Virgo, Balsamic conjunct the Sun, ie. humiliation of personal will, experiencing the limits of personal power- the North Node is in the 8th House). The crises also would be induced because of the desires to give to society, to help society evolve beyond its limitations and become a better place, and to empower those which are oppressed. However, the intellectual understanding of the social dynamics of the societies was limited, and was fueled by rage.

Because the instinctual nature has been dominated or harnessed through early age training, and ongoing training along childhood, etc. the Soul experiences feelings of emptiness, which are compounded with feelings of impurity about self, and in relation to its sexual nature. With Mars being in the 3rd House Disseminating square to Pluto, the Soul has been having these feelings and thoughts of impurity along many lifetimes. Within the environments that the Soul has created for self, in which the Soul is fundamentally alienated from the life-order that has created for itself, self-knowledge is a mere by-product because the personal life is the last thing in the list of things to do. For this reason, the self-knowledge is very limited. Thus, the Soul has desired to create crises that would induce the potential for ongoing self-knowledge. This has occurred in past lifetimes through extreme confrontations and resulting extreme powerlessness and humiliation (North Node 8th House Libra, South Node is Aries, Mars is the focal point in the T-square with Chiron and Uranus, this Uranus being in the 6th House and Chiron in the 12th House Aquarius … the south node of Mars is conjunct the North Node).

Along the 3rd stage Individuated, the Soul has chosen to cooperate with the expectations of those dictating the work requirements and to apply the own highly developed capacities for which he already knows his superiority in relation to consensus, but which at same time have been mostly actualized in consensus productive terms, and only within those terms and the overall orientation and agendas created by those terms and requirements, has the Soul had the possibility to gain an indirect sense of self and a relative, diffuse and emerging ‘personal life’, very limited and still constrained within the life order created by a consensus rationality. Necessarily so, in some way, because the Soul lacks a clear self-image that would promote conscious actualization of personal directions (Moon 1st House is Pisces, the 4th House is Gemini, Mercury is Rx and is Balsamic conjunct to Pluto, Vesta squares the nodes and is Cancer in the 5th House). External orders are what the Soul is familiar with, and has needed to create a reality reflecting what he already knows and to expand the self-knowledge, self-exploration, in personal ways within those external realities, ie. society. Thus, he needed to live in a fairy tales palace for himself alone in order to fill and compensate the inner emptiness and recover the missing childhoods the Soul lacked, but that place was also invaded by the reality that the Soul chose to live within: the Soul desired to remain within those limited arrangements of life in order to be able to observe and know why it has needed to create this type of life, in order to progressively expand the personal dimensions from within that type of structure (Mars in Disseminating square to Pluto).  

Because the submission was a condition for personal survival, and because of the strong survival instinct of the Soul, he has chosen along a series of lifetimes within the 3rd stage Individuated to cooperate with the external demands, and to give to society based on his developed capacities. Thus, the Soul has been able to receive massive acclaim and to make a lot of money, which seems very valuable from the point of view of society, but has not served to fill the inner void at Soul level. The Soul has been fundamentally out-of-contact with its own inner reality beyond the self-criticism (which is also a way to create some type of self-relatedness). However, it has created a type of life in which it would have the chance to give to society in ways which not only address existing needs within society, but which also have become progressively personal, reflecting the sense of having something special to discover and actualize which is linked with the personal destiny.

Because his Soul has reached a form of settlement between the unresolved needs for self-exploration and the demands of consensus success-oriented management of his own life, the existing masochism is also based on guilt originating in the duplicity between how he feels within himself and how he presents himself within his work roles, sp. on stage, the image he creates for his fans, ie. becoming an ‘icon’, am empty image in which every detail has been thoroughly construed but for which there’s no support in the inner reality, except fantasy, both his own fantasy and the fantasy of the public or fans (Pluto polarity point in the 12th House, S.Node in the 8th House Libra, Moon in the 1st House Pisces; the guilt associated with this dynamic is further indicated by the Moon being square to Saturn, and the 10th House ruler being conjunct  the N.Node and sesquisquare the Moon).  

The atonement pattern has basis in the experiences of humiliation, powerlessness, etc., and further, there are other specific causes for the underlying desires to atone, and the guilt and shame. Within these causes, the Soul has created experiences of sexual abuse, and possibly sexual exploitation (S.Node Aries 2nd House, Mars Taurus 3rd House square Pluto, which is conjunct the Sun, and the Sun opposes the 1st House Moon, which trines Vesta in the 5th House Cancer, squaring the nodes). Further, these same symbols indicate sexual experiences in the context of family and siblings, which have been a source of unresolved guilt and shame. Vesta is square the nodes, indicating evolutionary skipped steps, based on a narcissistic response to the empty childhoods and experiences of sexual abuse as a child, or sexual experiences with family members which later caused shame and guilt (Vesta is 5th House Cancer, ruled by Moon in the 1st House, and square the Aries S.Node). Because the Sun is conjunct Pluto 6th House, in Virgo, and the ruler of the 5th House, the Moon, is in the Aries House, Vesta in the 5th House squaring the nodes indicates the potential for pregnancy resulting from some of these experiences with family members in past lifetimes, and subsequent death or abortion of the babies. These types of experience and the judgments originating thereof (Saturn in the 9th House is the focal point of the T-square with Ceres 7th House Virgo, and the Moon in the 1st House Pisces, and the focal point of a Yod with Mars and Vesta) intensify the guilt and desires for atonement which permeate personal relationships in general, and the general psychology of Michael Jackson. To me this seems to be the basis for the narcissistic compensation through the desires for massive acclaim of a constructed and manipulated fantasy self-image that conceals the guilt, shame, and emptiness, but leaves the Soul in a deeper void when outside the stage or when not directly engaged on work or creation (Pluto polarity point in the 12th House, N.Node in the 8th House Libra, ruled by Venus in the 6th House, Neptune Scorpio conjunct the N.Node). Saturn is Balsamic semisextile its own south node and the south node of Pluto, both in the 11th House, and forms an inconjunct to the north node of Pluto in the 5th House. These symbols reveal that along many lifetimes the Soul has gained a form of self-knowledge through the vehicle of crises, self-knowledge, which however, has been suppressed and avoided, as a result from prior desires to alienate from inner judgments based on introjected patriarchal judgments. And yet his Soul has created ongoing personal crises enforcing the need to integrate and resolve the nature of those inner judgments, in order to align consciousness with larger frames of reference and integrate the self-knowledge the Soul has of intuitive nature. Saturn is the ruler of the 11th House, and is square the Moon in the 1st House. These symbols indicate a fragmentation (11th House) within personality based on the nature of unresolved judgments creating intense inner doubt because of projections of manmade morals originating in these types of sexual experiences, creating mental crises and traumas which are unresolved and repressed, and that translate in loss of perspective, and dynamics of avoidance and denial, leading to intellectualization, relativization, and duplicity based on inner doubt which is not addressed/resolved.

The limitation and confinement along many lifetimes had created a very narrow band in which to cultivate self. The Soul has also desired to fill the inner emptiness, and to avoid these feelings of emptiness, impurity, and overall disconnectedness and fragmentation, by importing information and knowledge (thus, having 10,000 books at home). Because Pluto is in the 6th House Virgo, and the S.Node in the 2nd House Aries, trine Pluto, a compulsive gravitation has existed to knowledge forms which have confirmed the feelings of impurity and the desires to atone.

Michael Jackson was aware this current lifetime of the inner emptiness and unhappiness, and he devoted great efforts to promote the ‘cause of children’, but at same time compulsively needed to keep the track of the life he had created for himself, because of the fear of the unknown, the masochism, etc. The Pluto polarity point being in the 12th House, and the N.Node in the 8th House with its ruler in the 6th House, demanded a progressive acceptance of the inner emptiness, allowing to explore the inner world and to penetrate and heal the psychological dynamics and wounds of the Soul in a compassionate way. This necessarily had to occur through devoting increasing amounts of time to not work, to just being with himself, or with people (N.Node Libra) having the psychological and emotional capacity to give him what he needed, ie. acceptance, empowerment, and insights on his true nature beyond any work role.


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: jasonholley on Jan 25, 2012, 12:01 PM
Hi Rad and all,

Here is my analysis of the bottom-line evolutionary dynamics of Michael’s chart. 

This is a Soul with a truly intense desire to purify, atone, and most especially to be of service (Pluto in Virgo/6th; 6th house stellium; Virgo stellium), a desire that the Soul has carried for many lifetimes (Pluto well into 6th).  However, in this lifetime it has reached a crucial junction relative to learning how to be of service.  On the one hand, the Soul has had a series of lifetimes in which it has done service in ways that emphasize its own specialness and uniqueness, and in this lifetime it is seeking to let those approaches go (Pluto balsamic conjunct Sun; Pluto and its ruler Mercury in Leo in balsamic conjunction; Venus/Uranus/Pallas/Mercury all in Leo and in balsamic phase to Pluto).  At the same time, the Soul is also beginning an entirely new cycle of committing deeply to being of service to others (Pluto new phase conjunct Juno, both in Virgo/6th; Pluto very early in Virgo), finding a way to invest itself in this fully, to have complete fidelity with this Soul mission and purpose; in effect, to “marry” (Juno) itself to its core intentions, without holding parts of itself back.  The Soul is, in some sense then, evolving from a kind of self-centered service, in which being seen to do good has been as important as the actual doing of good, to selfless service, where the focus is entirely on the action and not on how others perceive it.

The focus on self, it seems to me, has been absolutely necessary to this Soul because of profoundly traumatic experiences it has endured which had probably nearly beaten it down.  I recall Steve sharing with me that JWG said that sometimes Souls would be born with strong Leo or 5th house charts because of a need to strengthen themselves, sort of shore themselves up, after going through so much, and this possibility seems strong to me in this chart.  So for example the relatively recent series of royalty/nobility lifetimes identified by Cat, Rad, and Kristin would make sense given this Leo concentration and also as being a way that the Soul sought to restore some kind of sense of worth and pride again – even though, of course, in those lifetimes there would still have been crisis and trauma as already discussed – still there was some kind of shoring up and my sense is that the trauma in these lifetimes would have been less (in relative terms only) compared to further back in the Soul’s past, where it would have been reduced to truly just barely surviving and getting through.     

To speak more specifically of this Soul’s longer-term past, one of the most fundamental issues carried by this Soul is a deep wounding relative to being a strong and powerful female and/or being a man with a well-developed anima in many lifetimes and suffering for it.  The chart is loaded with signatures for this all over the karmic axis (Pluto conjunct Juno, Pallas, Amazone, in Virgo/6th; SN conjunct Black Moon Lilith in Aries/2nd opposite Jupiter and squaring Pluto/Saturn nodal axes; NN conjunct asteroid Lilith in 8th squaring Pluto/Saturn nodal axes; NN ruler Venus in 6th conjunct Dark Moon Lilith opposed Chiron and square Mars; note that NN and ruler have been active due to skipped steps).  For this reason there is a deep and intense focus on feminine power and how to actualize it, this is one of the most basic preoccupations of the Soul.

The Soul carrying such a powerful feminine at the very core of its being (Pluto conjunct Juno/Amazon/Pallas) was an obvious target in patriarchal times.  The result was that in multiple lifetimes the Soul was forced into situations where its very survival was on the line and it had to fight hard just to live (SN Aries/2nd).  The Soul was being constantly under attack and projected upon and told how monstrous it was by seemingly “good” hierophants and religious type leaders with actually dark and control-oriented motives and mob-like followings (Jupiter in Libra/8th conjunct Neptune in Scorpio/8th both opposite SN/Lilith).  The need to survive was so strong that everything became relative for the Soul (SN ruler Mars in 3rd) and it would take on any form, do whatever was necessary to make it, thus in some instances blend in (3rd) in other cases stand out (Aries), back and forth between these two situations, and in some cases this would have involved literally modifying and harming its own body (SN Chiron in Taurus/2nd conjunct SN/Lilith) – these lifetimes of course created extremely charged memory pools carried in the etheric body into the lifetime as Michael Jackson where the Soul continued to do this with its body – we can take a more empathic view recognizing the karmic past of this Soul to understand that for Jackson this represented a feeling that it was the only way he could survive and make it in the world.

The Soul in many of these further-back lifetimes was a true warrior, and would fight against the dominant societal forces.  It would take on the “monstrous” epithet in some of these situations, and would try to dress itself up as being “Bad” – but really this was a form of “drag” for this Soul, much as we can look at the person of Michael Jackson in his video “Bad” and see that he is basically performing his badness – one can really see he is not that bad and not that scary, even though in the video and the lyrics one can see that he really wants one to think he is “bad”.  Instead he is “butching up” in the face of fear.  With the lyrics, “just show your face in broad daylight” he seems to be speaking directly to the Souls represented in his 8th house past: 

Your Butt Is Mine
Gonna Take You Right
Just Show Your Face
In Broad Daylight
I'm Telling You
On How I Feel
Gonna Hurt Your Mind
Don't Shoot To Kill
Come On, Come On,
Lay It On Me All Right...

I'm Giving You
On Count Of Three
To Show Your Stuff
Or Let It Be . . .
I'm Telling You
Just Watch Your Mouth
I Know Your Game
What You're About

Well They Say The Sky's
The Limit
And To Me That's Really True
But My Friend You Have
Seen Nothing
Just Wait 'Til I Get Through . . .

Because I'm Bad, I'm Bad-
Come On
(Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad)
You Know I'm Bad, I'm Bad-
You Know It
(Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad)
You Know I'm Bad, I'm Bad-
Come On, You Know
(Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad)
And The Whole World Has To
Answer Right Now
Just To Tell You Once Again,
Who's Bad . . .

This butching up and fighter attitude probably also went too far in some cases for the Soul, and is a part of why the Soul does carry some deep guilt and atonement orientation in its psyche.  Sometimes the Soul may genuinely have become “monstrous” (Lilith) and taken that on in its total frustration and anger (Aries).  The song “Thriller” to me also seems like a recapitulation of these South Node themes.  Here are the lyrics:

It's close to midnight and something evil's lurking in the dark
Under the moonlight, you see a sight that almost stops your heart
You try to scream but terror takes the sound before you make it
You start to freeze as horror looks you right between the eyes
You're paralyzed

'Cause this is thriller, thriller night
And no one's gonna save you from the beast about strike
You know it's thriller, thriller night
You're fighting for your life inside a killer, thriller tonight

You hear the door slam and realize there's nowhere left to run
You feel the cold hand and wonder if you'll ever see the sun
You close your eyes and hope that this is just imagination, girl!
But all the while you hear the creature creeping up behind
You're out of time

'Cause this is thriller, thriller night
There ain't no second chance against the thing with forty eyes, girl
Thriller, thriller night
You're fighting for your life inside a killer, thriller tonight

Night creatures calling, the dead start to walk in their masquerade
There's no escaping the jaws of the alien this time
(They're open wide)
This is the end of your life

They're out to get you, there's demons closing in on every side
They will possess you unless you change that number on your dial
Now is the time for you and I to cuddle close together, yeah
All through the night I'll save you from the terror on the screen
I'll make you see

That this is thriller, thriller night
'Cause I can thrill you more than any ghost would ever dare try
Thriller, thriller night
So let me hold you tight and share a
Killer, diller, chiller, thriller here tonight

'Cause this is thriller, thriller night
Girl, I can thrill you more than any ghost would ever dare try
Thriller, thriller night
So let me hold you tight and share a killer, thriller, ow!

(I'm gonna thrill ya tonight)
Darkness falls across the land
The midnight hour is close at hand
Creatures crawl in search of blood
To terrorize y'alls neighborhood

I'm gonna thrill ya tonight, ooh baby
I'm gonna thrill ya tonight, oh darlin'
Thriller night, baby, ooh!

The foulest stench is in the air
The funk of forty thousand years
And grizzly ghouls from every tomb
Are closing in to seal your doom

And though you fight to stay alive
Your body starts to shiver
For no mere mortal can resist
The evil of the thriller

Of course this song is written relative to the mindset and the trends of the time and the words are in many cases conventional tropes (SN ruler Mars in 3rd/Taurus) – seduction, silly movies, having sex tonight and so on.  But there are also potent archetypal themes at play: in the video, Michael is both a monster and engaged in a fight (Aries) against monsters.  He becomes a werewolf, a creature intimately associated with Lilith who was always associated with wolves and said in some myths to have created werewolves: monstrous creatures that are feared by the mass culture because they cross lines and concretize the bestial and shadow forces in humans, but whose real evil is simply that they look scary – that is the central “crime” of most werewolves (SN Chiron in Taurus conjunct SN – distortions to the body).  At the same time, Michael also sings of being in a fight, alongside the “girl”, with dark forces of death, ghosts, “night creatures, the dead walking in their masquerade” (SN opposite Neptune in Scorpio).  The dark forces of “40,000 years” are closing in and sealing her doom.   It is also interesting to note that the geodetics of Michael’s Lilith and South Node (at 22 and 23 Aries) align exactly with the origin areas and the areas of the world most commonly associated with werewolf tales: Eastern Europe – Slovenia, Hungary, Poland, Macedonia, and Greece, where the word lycanthrope emerged.  In Hungary, too, the legend around werewolves is that they were children who were abused by their parents – as Michael indeed was.  (And an aside: he was born under a full moon after all!)  At any rate, the production is certainly a concretization of the past-life history this Soul knew of being considered monstrous when the real monsters were the ones doing the name-calling, and also a concretization of the Soul’s own relatively aggressive and self-contained response to this. 

In any case, the theme that comes out of this is frequent experiences of death or near-death at the hands of judgmental others.  In terms of specifics, situations of the Soul being formally shunned and isolated (Aries/2nd, Taurus) from societies; possibly being burned (Aries); and also being put in situations of starvation and hunger resulting from the isolation (Taurus, 2nd house) all present themselves as possibilities.  The hunger issue seems particularly likely given Michael’s repeated references in songs to hungry people and hungry children, his lead role in We are the World, and so on.  Additionally the Soul is likely to have had lifetimes born as an infant with some kind of “body defect” that was not acceptable to the ideology of beauty/form held in the tribe/culture where born, and was therefore “exposed” – left out in nature to die as an infant (SN Chiron 2nd/Taurus conjunct lunar SN 2nd/Aries, both opposite Jupiter, ruler of 10th, in Libra) – such lifetime(s) leaving a powerfully charged etheric memory about the need to look perfect to survive and driving some of the body-modification of the Soul in this lifetime.  Rad, could I ask you to confirm or disconfirm these various scenarios if possible?

In terms of evolutionary intentions, the deep Soul urge is towards release – release of control and relaxing the need to “get it right” and also the expectation that the Soul needs to figure all of this out (PPP in Pisces/12th).  Also to relax the sense of its basic aloneness and recognize that it is already connected to one and all – that it does not need to feel so utterly on its own and alone, and indeed needs to connect with others (Libra NN conjunct Jupiter), and then to allow itself to be a channel (Neptune) through which creative and innovative acts of service can be performed (NN ruler Venus in Leo conjunct Mercury/Pallas/Uranus/NN Neptune/NN Mercury).     

However, the Soul’s evolutionary progress has not been straightforward, in fact it has been delayed, due to a Soul dilemma which has been carried forward from many lifetimes relative to the issues of self-expression, creativity, sexuality, and the giving and receiving of love (skipped step Vesta in 5th/Cancer).  As alluded above, this is the story of a Soul coming to terms with its “specialness”, having created an entire curriculum around that for itself in part because of how beaten up it was becoming (Pluto conjunct Sun; Leo stellium including rulers of Pluto and NN; Aries SN) yet also needing now to place that back into its original purpose towards the service of others (Pluto/Sun/Juno in Virgo and Leo stellium all in 6th).  The Soul has had a deep craving to be seen and felt by others, to project itself into the world and have the world take notice (Sun/Leo/5th archetypes), to the point that now the Soul’s desire for this has actually been “holding up” its evolutionary progress. 

In the lifetime as Michael Jackson, this issue is very easy to see, because the Soul’s desperation for this manifested as bringing this need, and this “inner child” desire, right to the surface of the personality, such that this neediness for attention is what the world around him was often most aware of in Michael (5th house ruler, Moon in Pisces, conjunct ascendant; asteroid Narcissus in 10th house in grand trine with Venus/Uranus/Mercury/Pallas in Leo and SN in Aries).  What we can also see is that in this lifetime the impacts of this pursuit of specialness were taken very personally, and that the ego structure itself became developed directly in relation to the Soul’s own experience of seeking to be seen by others (Cancer on 5th house cusp; Moon, its ruler, in Pisces conjunct Ascendant).   At some level Michael just wanted to be a child – loved, seen, special, nurtured – and much of his behavior in this lifetime can be understood as his insistence on being allowed to be a child, to remain innocent, to be “Peter Pan” in Neverland.  The chief problem in this is that for Michael, being a child meant being a performer (Cancer on 5th), meaning that the child itself was never receiving the love that it was inspiring, rather the projection and the image and the performance were receiving the love (Ascendant/5th house dynamics), and this is the origin of the child beginning to think it IS the image.   Thus, in trying to receive the love and nurturing of others, Michael became “trapped in the mirror” of what others were reflecting back, the ultimate expression of the mythology of Narcissus,  who became transfixed by the reflection/image of himself, thereby losing contact with himself directly.

The Soul history of this dilemma is a painful one and has its early referents deep in the origins of patriarchal consciousness (Vesta exactly on the Cancer/Capricorn nodal axes of Saturn and Pluto), again connected to incarnations of this Soul as a woman.  In matriarchal times, this Soul was one of the women who would help to initiate young boys into their sexuality, and particularly the joy of their sexuality.  She was particularly gifted and talented in this, and emphasized the joyousness and creativity involved in the sexual act.  She was a mother to many “children” in this way, and in some lifetimes it is likely that this was a very good feeling for her.  She had a deep and pure hunger to give and receive in a creative context, to be of service in this way, and indeed to be a mother literally with children of her own (Vesta in Cancer/5th).  A broader understanding of this would be an objective often described by Michael in some of his humanitarian work, of “letting children be children” – nurturing the creative instinct and the inner hearth-fire of spirit in every child (Vesta in Cancer/5th) and preserving the innocence of children (5th house ruler Moon in Pisces).   
   
However, as patriarchal consciousness took hold, the Soul’s natural joy in this was held to be unacceptable (SNs of Saturn and Pluto in Capricorn 10th opposite Vesta).  My sense is that this orientation of the Soul was in a sense dropped for a long period of time while a lot of the dynamics described in the SN section above took hold – the Soul more in a warrior/outcast role.  Then when the Soul was worn down from all that fighting and surviving across lifetimes, and needed the Leo “shoring up” described before, this natural 5th house Vesta energy was reactivated.  But by this time patriarchal rather than matriarchal consciousness would have dictated the expression of this archetype, meaning that there would not have been an acceptable role as initiating mother or indeed even for the more open sexual energy that the Vesta archetype in its unconditioned expression represents.  The castration lifetime described by Rad and Kristin is a great example of this, in that the attempt to express this sexual energy with siblings (Venus ruling both 3rd and 8th houses) met with severe trauma/crisis in the form of castration (Chiron opposite and Mars square that Venus in Leo/6th), thereby narrowing for the Soul the kinds of expressions that it could permit in this new work with its sexual energy (Venus in new phase semisextile to Vesta).   The necessary adjustment for the Soul in this context would have involved working within the paradigm of arranged marriage (Vesta semisquare Pluto, and Pluto conjunct Juno), the Soul thereby becoming a kind of “whorish performer” for its spouses and perhaps also their friends.  The Soul was humiliated for its natural expression of self, and this humiliation was taken very deeply to heart; it was humiliated by masculinist ideologues with authoritarian and shaming definitions of the “Truth” (Saturn in 9th/Sagittarius inconjunct Vesta) as well as by objectifying projections of sickness and woundedness (Chiron in 12th/Aquarius inconjunct Vesta, completing the yod).  Thus the Soul found its very natural desire to give and receive love transmogrified into a projection of unnaturalness, brokenness, and immorality. 

At the same time, self-expression and creativity being so core to the Soul’s nature (Pluto conjunct Sun and Leo planets; Leo stellium; ruler of NN in Leo), the Soul did not give up its drive to create and project.  Instead, the orientation of the Soul in these lifetimes was to listen to and ultimately merge with the projections that were placed upon it: in effect, to live into those projections and attempt to embody them, to be what the people, and particularly the men, wanted it to be, to be the fantasy (NN in Libra/8th, the skip-ahead node, conjunct Jupiter in Libra/8th and Neptune in Scorpio/8th).  In part, this was driven by simple survival requirements, but at the same time there was also a desire in the Soul to regain power: by becoming the larger-than-life figure of these men’s patriarchal fantasies, being their ultimate fantasy of the “original woman” (asteroid Lilith conjunct the Jupiter/Neptune/NN), the Soul would be able to act out its anger upon them in indirect, manipulative, and seemingly passive ways that would allow it to take its revenge while remaining idealized (Mars SN in Libra/8th conjunct NN and Jupiter also Libra/8th) – in effect to have more power than its seeming masters. 

To do this the Soul in these lifetimes played the role of the ultimate performer, anticipating and fulfilling the desires of these men, however bizarre and strange, servicing them with virtuoso-like skill such that this talented performer, rather than the man she was servicing, actually became the “star” of the show (Venus, ruler of NN, in Leo/6th, conjunct Uranus, Amor), even though the performance was garbed in the fantasy roles scripted by the men (all of above conjunct Neptune NN).  In this way the Soul acted out, in a distorted way, its rage relative to the requirements of the cultures into which it was born (Dark Moon Lilith in 6th/Leo also conjunct all of above), also acting out the Soul’s deep preoccupation with dynamics of power and assertion of self in unequal circumstances that has been so central to it (Pluto conjunct Juno). 

By the time of the Soul’s incarnation as Michael Jackson, it had played out this particular dynamic in multiple lifetimes and with substantial degrees of fame and notoriety.  However, the Soul’s intense focus on approval and validation and its intense memories of trauma relative to the exercise of creativity (Chiron in Aquarius and Saturn in Sagittarius in yod with skipped step Vesta), kept the Soul desiring this particular strategy of pseudo-empowerment.  Thus, to truly exhaust the Soul’s desire for all of this, a kind of “maximum inflation” (Jupiter/Neptune) was required in Michael Jackson’s lifetime, and this was being the ultimate “SUPERSTAR” – planet-wide stardom and fame of a kind never possible in the prior lifetimes in which this dynamic was active, a kind of stardom that could only be accomplished in the particular historical context and moment into which the Soul was born.  The Soul in this lifetime became the ultimate global fantasy projection screen, with its personal self and its public self in an unconscious state of fusion, receiving more attention than any Soul on the planet had up to this time: adulation, attention, denigrations, projections of so many people in so many places (Jupiter, ruler of and septile to Midheaven, conjunct Neptune, ruler of and trine to Ascendant; Venus/Uranus/Pallas/Mercury in Leo in grand trine to Midheaven and SN; Full Moon in Pisces conjunct Ascendant; Pluto conjunct Sun).  And this was exactly what was needed to truly and completely exhaust this desire of the Soul, because, taken to its maximum inflation, this route to power ultimately bottomed out, bringing much pain, suffering, and disillusionment, and in bottoming out, the Soul could finally be released and let go of this pattern (both Neptune/Jupiter and Pluto/Sun conjunctions are balsamic).  At the time Michael died, transiting Jupiter had just surpassed transiting Neptune and then stationed, forming a very tight New phase conjunction to one another in Michael’s 12th house, trining his natal balsamic Jupiter/Netune conjunction . . . Rad could this be an indication that this Soul did in fact complete this Jupiter/Neptune cycle and exhaust at last the separating desire relative to BEING the projection, and was ready to move on to an entirely new cycle in the next lifetime? 

In any case, once this desire could be released, the deeper resolution and evolutionary intention for the Soul in terms of dealing with being “trapped in the mirror” would be to reclaim true empowerment from within, rather than to attempt to have power over others through playing their game, which kept it trapped.  In particular this would involve the Soul claiming its own internal authority, and its ability to define itself versus to be defined by others, to set its own boundaries (South Node, resolution node, in Aries/2nd).  To develop self-reliance relative to its creative force and to be able to define for itself exactly who it is and what it wants to focus on, without reference to the desires and messages from others about who it is and what it is about.  By doing so, the Soul would be able to engage a very deep healing of the wounds of masculinist culture that it carries so deeply and at so many levels, and to restore the natural instinctive feminine energy that had become considerably distorted in its expressions (Black Moon Lilith in Aries/2nd conjunct Chiron SN in Taurus/2nd, both conjunct SN).

This would happen through the Soul learning to store up and preserve its own energy, building up a store of energy (Mars in Taurus) versus constantly “giving it away” as was the tendency in the desire to give and receive love and attention (Cancer/5th).  It would also involve deeply grounding in the physical body, versus the tendency to idealize and transform the form (Neptune in Scorpio 8th conjunct NN).  Michael needed to strongly “land” in the body so as to experience a natural sense of limits and definition, then in an embodied way exploring its own world and using its own values and preferences to name and define the world around it (Mars in Taurus/3rd).  By so doing, the Soul would discover the relativity of different reality systems of meaning and labeling phenomena, such that it would not have to feel confined to the reality systems and labels that had become affixed to it and to which it had become affixed.  The Soul could explore the world, venture forth, allowing itself to encounter different experiences and becoming very curious about those, not taking them on but rather trying them on, literally embodying them, to see which ones fit its own values and preferences  -- and to me, Michael truly accomplished this through the vehicle of his music (Mars in Taurus) and his performances (Venus in Leo dispositing that Mars) which were innovative, dramatic, inspired and inspiring (Venus conjunct Uranus, Mercury, Pallas, NN Neptune, NN Mercury).  When he performed and sang, one could feel at a somatic level how totally embodied he could be, and feel the buildup of energy (Taurus) that had come prior to the powerful release one was witnessing on stage.  His actual performance of his music was on his own terms, period.  In the actual performance of his music, he was in touch – often literally – with his body.  Very often in the moment of musical encounter, his eyes were not on the world or on any particular image, projection, or need for validation from outside of itself. 

Here is a video of a concert in which he sang the song, “Man in the Mirror”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Nh84lfvW0.  To me this video is truly incredible.  In it, Michael is clearly in charge, embodied, and on his own terms (SN 2nd/Aries, ruler Mars in 2nd/Taurus), versus being “trapped in the mirror” as it would seem he so often was otherwise (skipped step Vesta in 5th/Cancer).  Having in this moment integrated the creative impulse successfully (through SN), one can see that he is then able (per NN) to be the channel of a powerful message about being aware of the realities of others, looking at what is hard to look at, transcending selfishness, and questioning and confronting oneself in order to make change (NN 8th/Libra, conjunct Jupiter 8th/Libra and Neptune 8th/Scorpio) – see the lyrics just below.  This video also shows the response of his audience to this transmission, with many people passing out, fainting, completely overwhelmed by what is taking place on the stage.  I think in the past I might have considered this to be merely foolish idealization and hysterics relative to a rockstar, however when really attuning to what is taking place here, to me it appears to be a genuine spiritual experience for many of these individuals.  While it might be narrated by the ego as “oh my god Michael Jackson” and the involved individuals might have many projections and fantasies about Michael the person, nevertheless it could be that individuals were receiving a spiritual and healing transmission through Michael’s being (Neptune and NN Chiron both conjunct NN).  Certainly many who have been bringers of spiritual healing have had their share of crazy followers with their bizarre notions of who those people were.  These moments of musical encounter do seem to speak to the heart of the evolutionary journey of this Soul.  They embody the Soul’s powerful, intense commitment to service (Pluto/Sun/Juno in 6th/Virgo) as well as its intention to use the self and the creative urge as a vehicle to bring healing and union to the human family (PPP in 12th/Pisces, NN in Libra/8th conjunct Neptune/Jupiter, ruler Venus conjunct Uranus/Mercury/Pallas/NN Neptune all in Leo/6th).  They also speak to this Soul’s evolutionary condition in 3rd individuated, wherein Souls begin to have intimations and moments of genuine spiritual alignment as they evolve towards the spiritual states.   Here are some of the lyrics to “Man in the Mirror” well-titled for many reasons:         

As I, Turn Up The Collar On My
Favourite Winter Coat
This Wind Is Blowin' My Mind
I See The Kids In The Street,
With Not Enough To Eat
Who Am I, To Be Blind?
Pretending Not To See
Their Needs
A Summer's Disregard,
A Broken Bottle Top
And A One Man's Soul
They Follow Each Other On
The Wind Ya' Know
'Cause They Got Nowhere
To Go
That's Why I Want You To
Know

I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change
(Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change)
(Na Na Na, Na Na Na, Na Na,
Na Nah)

I've Been A Victim Of A Selfish
Kind Of Love
It's Time That I Realize
That There Are Some With No
Home, Not A Nickel To Loan
Could It Be Really Me,
Pretending That They're Not
Alone?

I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change
(Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change)
(Na Na Na, Na Na Na, Na Na,
Na Nah)

Lastly, I did want to comment on Michael’s relationship with his father, as it was so central and so related to the skipped steps dynamics I have focused on here.  As already discussed in a few points above, the lifetime of Michael Jackson naturally reconstellated the skipped step dynamics of the Soul’s previous lifetimes.  Particularly relating to the skipped step dynamics, he was made into a “child star” and began this process of reconstellation very early in life (grand trine of Vesta/Moon/Adonis).  Of course Michael would come in time to experience the objectifying wounding projections of the public that replicated past experiences (Chiron inconjunct), but he was subject much earlier to the intense authoritarian criticism that in this lifetime was delivered through his truly dark “stage father” (Saturn conjunct the Midheaven and Lucifer, all inconjunct Vesta) constantly finding him lacking and forcing him to adjust himself to the father’s own narcissistic needs (Saturn conjunct Narcissus) and the father’s self-centered sense of a “special destiny” (Saturn in Sagittarius).  The father was also a behind-the-scenes abuser and the chief orchestrator, in this lifetime, of many of the grandiose but dark and extreme visions his son would try to live into and up to (Jupiter ruler of 10th conjunct Neptune in Scorpio, both in 8th house).  He was incredibly harsh towards his son and it seems clear that Michael’s relatively fragile ego structure was the direct result of this physical and emotional abuse (Saturn square Moon and AC in Pisces).  There are strong indications that the Soul of Joe Jackson would have been one of the spouses of Michael’s Soul in the past who had the kind of abusive and using marriage with the Soul of Michael as described above, and who would have made the Soul of Michael into his own personal performer, thereby having been instrumental in creating the causative factors of the skipped steps in the Soul of Michael, much in the way that in this lifetime he did this to Michael. (Beginning in Michael’s chart alone, the fact of his Juno identification through his Pluto conjunct Juno, and the signifier of his father being Jupiter through its 10th house rulership, Jupiter in mythology being the abusive owner/spouse of Juno; then in synastry Joe Jackson’s Pluto being exactly conjunct Michael’s Vesta and square Michael’s nodes; his Mars in Taurus being exactly conjunct Michael’s Mars in Taurus, and square to Michael’s Venus in Leo; Michael’s Sun/Pluto/Juno and his Moon square to Joe Jackson’s nodes; Joe Jackson data: July 26, 1928, Arkansas, time unknown).   

One of the other dynamics that comes up in this context of Michael’s Soul’s relationship with Joe Jackson’s Soul that I didn’t cover above is the possibility of this Soul (again relative to the skipped step Vesta in 5th/Cancer) having had a lifetime or lifetimes as a child prostitute, involving similar dynamics as those it would have played out with spouses in the pattern described above, in which the Soul attempted to live into the fantasies of the Other in order to survive and to have a felt sense of power and dignity (NN dynamics covered above, but also can add in Ganymede, the boy-youth who seduced the “elder” Zeus, and got himself promoted into the pantheon).   This seems very plausibly another way these skipped steps were played out, and if this was the case, then it seems from the aspects above that the Soul of Joe could also have been the pimp who, as in this lifetime, traded in on the Soul of Michael’s looks and talents for his own benefit.  As well, the possibility of having been the “child bride” is also strong, both individually for Michael as well as potentially in relation to Joe Jackson. 

Finally, another possible element of this Soul’s karmic history that occurs to me is of this Soul having been a young unspoiled boy of the kind chosen for necromancy in ancient Rome/Greece/Egypt.  In the cults which practiced necromancy, often a “special” virgin youth was chosen to scry the remains of the dead for prophetic information and/or a young “perfect” pubescent boy would himself be sacrificed and then the diviner would scry the boy’s remains. Usually there was also pederasty involving sex with this boy by the priest or rulers involved.  This scenario seems very plausible to me as a part of this Soul’s history (Grand Trine of Vesta in Cancer/5th to ruler Moon in Pisces/1st, to Adonis in Scorpio/8th; Adonis conjunct Neptune in Scorpio/8th conjunct NN and Ganymede; these also conjunct to Jupiter, scrying having usually taken place with the ruler in secret).  This could be more of the karmic background to the Soul’s current-day drive to let children be children, accusations of his own use of children, and continuing to work out the complex around “specialness”.  Rad could I ask you to comment on this and the suggestions relative to child prostitution and the Soul’s experiences with the Soul of Joe Jackson?

Looking forward to our ongoing conversation,

God bless,
Jason


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: jasonholley on Jan 27, 2012, 02:20 PM
Hi group,

It looks like everyone who was planning to post on Michael Jackson has done so.  Thank you all so much, it feels like we are off to a really great start with this thread!

Unfortunately, I've recently become very overextended in my life and I have to make some changes in terms of my level of activity (classic tr Mars Virgo rx I guess). As a result, I asked Rad if he would be willing to take full direction of this thread, and he has agreed to do so.  I still hope to participate but to ensure the continuity and quality of the thread this seemed to be the best option.  I apologize for the disruption and am very grateful to Rad for his willingness to step in.  I'm looking forward to the continued exploration and deep learning I know is in store as a result.

With love,
God bless,
Jason


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Rad on Jan 27, 2012, 04:19 PM
Hi All,

I will be reviewing all of your analysis's of Michael Jackson's EA paradigm in the next few days. I will then make my observations and comments for each of you.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Rad on Jan 31, 2012, 11:39 AM
Hi Kristin, Linda, Cat, Mirta, Gonzalo, Jason, and Steven

I have now read through all of your EA analysis's of the core Pluto paradigm for Michael Jackson. I will not be extracting the various dynamics that each of you have identified in your analysis's that stand out to me as I have done so much in the past right now. I resume this in our next segment on Jackson's specific sexuality. Some have asked specific questions of me which I will answer.

For Jason:

"Rad, could I ask you to confirm or disconfirm these various scenarios if possible?"

They did occur ................

“Rad could this be an indication that this Soul did in fact complete this Jupiter/Neptune cycle and exhaust at last the separating desire relative to BEING the projection, and was ready to move on to an entirely new cycle in the next lifetime? “

Yes

"Rad could I ask you to comment on this and the suggestions relative to child prostitution and the Soul’s experiences with the Soul of Joe Jackson?"

It‘s true ................

From Steven:

"Whether MJ was able to do all this is open to interpretation, and my own take is that he tried to embody the two desired soul needs by creating two personas (one for the stage, and one "private", which was also, ironically, served up to the public) with which he then tried to find union (Juno and Pallas conjunct Pluto/Sun).  I sense that his very poignant expression of being a pure-soul-too-good-for-this-world is, ultimately, just another masochistic archetypal "role" favored by the Virgo-Pisces polarity, and not his deepest self, which also must own up to the power and aggression and sexuality reflected by the SN node, and which he channeled into his artistic work and artistic persona. Would this be accurate, as others see it?"

No, it’s not just a ‘role’ as you put it: the core of his soul is defined by natural laws which are then reflected in his natural simplicity that manifests as a natural innocence. In other words, it is who he is from a Soul point of view.

*************

Steve you did really good work for your first real effort. Please read through all the other EA analysis's presented by the others which will help you in your ongoing understanding of the core principles of EA, and the comprehensive depth that they can provide to the EA astrologer.

Gonzalo you did excellent EA work with respect to what you focused on, but it's is not as comprehensive as I know otherwise you can do.

Mirta, Kristin, Cat, Jason and Linda: you have all done excellent EA work, and each of you have included various asteroids which really help create a total understanding of the evolutionary history of Michael Jackson. The depth and comprehensiveness was simply excellent.

So before we proceed with a specific EA analysis of the sexuality of Michael Jackson I would like you all to read through what each other has shared to gain a total picture of the core EA paradigm in his chart. If you have any questions please ask them now. We will start the next part in a few days time.

God Bless, Rad






Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: cat777 on Jan 31, 2012, 08:22 PM
Hi Rad and Everyone,

I was meandering around the internet looking at various reincarnation sites.  I found one which had an article about two of Michael Jackson's possible past lives.

http://www.johnadams.net/cases/samples/Jackson/index.htm

This information comes via a guy named Kevin Ryerson who is a channel. According to this article it is believed that Michael Jackson was a Charles Dassoucy in a past life, having traveled with two young boys with a troupe of entertainers (France 1600's).  He had given himself the self-proclaimed title of "Emperor of Entertainers" (current life "King of Pop").  The channel traced an earlier lifetime in which MJ, as a young boy, had been enlisted in the Children's Crusades occurring around 1200 AD.  The experience of losing his life as a child soldier led to an emotional trauma being inflicted on the soul of MJ to never lose his childhood again, and this urge has persisted for 800 years.

What do you think?  These lifetimes of MJ, if accepted, do correlate to his Vesta Cancer 5th square the Nodes skipped steps, and to his SN Aries ruled by Mars 3rd. ...as well as Amazone conj Pluto.

thanks,
cat


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Rad on Feb 01, 2012, 08:41 AM
Hi Cat,

I personally do not want to be put into a position of validating something like this. What is important in EA is an understanding of the DYNAMICS with a Soul, and the reasons for those dynamics. On very rare occasions it can be beneficial for a given Soul to know an actual name from it's prior lives which is always linked to providing a catalyst that will allow the Soul to move on in it's ongoing evolution. This is not the case here with Michael Jackson. 

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Rad on Feb 01, 2012, 11:58 AM
Hi Kristin, Gray, Mirta, Linda, Gonzalo, Steven, Jason, and Cat ........

Let's go ahead and begin our next segment on the specific sexual signature within the birth chart of Michael Jackson. The combined EA paradigm for his Soul that you have all created is great EA work that will now serve to understand these specific sexual dynamics within his Soul.

So the specific sexual archetypes that we want to be working with are these as posted by Jason:

SEX AND SEXUALITY
-Mars/1st House/Aries/Nodes of Mars: Instinctual desire nature of the Soul
-Venus/2nd House/Taurus/Nodes of Venus:  Sexual needs, values, orientations
-Pluto/8th House/Scorpio/Nodes of Pluto: Sexual encounters, experiences, and partners
-The Pluto/Mars, Pluto/Venus, and Mars/Venus Cycles: Development of sexual themes across lifetimes
-The use of asteroids to flesh out particular sexual archetypes and patterns, in particular I would like to suggest: the four goddess asteroids (Ceres, Pallas, Vesta, Juno); Persephone; Eros; Psyche; Cupido; Dionysus; Pan; Ganymede; Adonis; Lust; [update: Sappho, Amor added to this list; Circe subtracted, my error about the myth].  I have found many of these very useful, provided they are interpreted in the context of a correct understanding of the karmic and primary sexual axes of the chart.

If you have any questions please ask me.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Rad on Feb 10, 2012, 03:41 PM
Hi Kristin, Gray, Mirta, Linda, Gonzalo, Steven, Jason, and Cat ........

Please let me know who is planning on continuing with this thread.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Linda on Feb 10, 2012, 05:25 PM
Hi Rad,

I'm continuing.
Current work on MJ's sexuality signature
will be posted in a few day's time.

Thanks,
Linda


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Gonzalo on Feb 11, 2012, 07:02 AM
Hi Rad

I plan to continue.

Thanks so much

Goddess Bless,

Gonzalo


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Steven on Feb 11, 2012, 08:03 AM
Hi, Rad, I plan to continue. Was hoping someone would post before me, but I will jump in by Sunday.


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: cat777 on Feb 11, 2012, 08:05 AM
Hi Rad,

I planned on continuing and even started working on it.  Hit with some kind of energy draining virus for the past two weeks.  No energy or desire to do anything.  I think I am starting to return to normal. If I can post by the time everyone else does I will, if not, please feel free to move on without me.

Thanks
cat


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: jasonholley on Feb 11, 2012, 08:32 AM
Hi Rad,

I am also continuing, and plan to post next week.

God bless,

Jason


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: mirta on Feb 11, 2012, 09:19 AM
Hi Rad,
I also continue. I am planing to post next week.
Thanks so much
God Bless
Mirta


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Kristin on Feb 11, 2012, 11:08 AM
Hi Rad,

I too will be posting and will start working on it Sunday..hoping to post by early next week.

Peace,
Kristin


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Gray on Feb 12, 2012, 06:26 PM
Hello Rad,

I will be doing my best to work on this and post this next week.
thanks,
Gray


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Linda on Feb 13, 2012, 08:16 PM
Hi Rad and group,

I'm going to need a few more days to complete this assignment.

Thanks for your patience.

Linda


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Kristin on Feb 14, 2012, 11:30 AM
Michael Jackson's Sexual Dynamics


In a natural state and and at his root,  Michael is innocent to the core even with all the trauma that has occurred for lifetimes.  Every time the hard hits happen, he finds himself in disbelief and shocked as he could never imagine doing anything to hurt another, for with his compassionate heart seen with his Pisces Moon and Ascendant, “every time feels like the first time” when the arrows fly or another’s intentions are not pure like his own. The combination of his Pisces Moon and rising and his Venus in Leo, along with Mercury in Leo, the ruler of his Pluto and Sun, reflects being ‘forever young’, innocent,  and playful in love. Michael Jackson is tremendously loyal and devoted once he gives his heart to someone also seen in those same signatures. It seems like right out of the gates in a world such as this and with a chart like his own, that intimacy would be tricky especially since it involves getting naked in every way. He is so self conscious with respect to his appearance I imagine this would transfer also to not feeling as if he were ‘good enough’ or measuring up in his intimate relations. He would have been a late bloomer in this regard with zero chance of developing natural or normal relationships as a child and into his teens as his work was his life and in ways his love. He was quoted saying something along the lines of, "I am married to my work, I am married to my music." His entire emotional thus sexual development was stunted due to his excessive work load and drill sergeant of a father. The emotional late bloomer is reflected in the Saturn in Sagittarius square his Pisces Moon and Ascendant. Also his South Node of Saturn squares his Nodal axis in the 2nd-Aries and 8th Libra.

In my prior post I shared a past life scenario where Michael was castrated for not only having intimacy with his sister but her becoming pregnant for it. This is seen with the South Node in Aries in the second house, ruler Mars in the 3rd house which rules siblings. Also Mars, squares Uranus and Venus in Leo(child)in the 6th house, ruler Sun is making a balasmic conjunction to Pluto in Virgo in the 6th. In addition, Mars is squaring Chiron in Aquarius in the 12th, Chiron in Aquarius opposes the the ruler,Uranus and Venus in Leo.

I also found it fascinating that Michael was able to preserve his soft childlike voice even following puberty. His voice never really changed from ABC in Jackson 5 to Thriller. It got bigger but it never really broke.” Of course this can be attributed to all of his childhood that was taken from him and his Soul being frozen emotionally at a younger age thus this being reflected in his voice, given that his Venus is in Leo with Uranus. However there is factual history whereby castration also occurred by the age of 12, these boys were given the name castrati, in order to preserve a talented young boys voice. “Castrati were men with singing voices in the mezzo-soprano, or Soprano range.  This would result from the castration of , or an endocrinological condition in a talented young male singer.  Thus natural puberty and changing of the voice would be prevented.   Due to this the young male singer's voice would retain it's prepubescent pitch tone, and quality taking on qualities unlike a male or female voice.  Specifically the pitch range beyond the capabilities of a male, and power and projection, in an era without microphones, beyond the capability of a woman.” So I looked deeper into this history and in Michael’s chart to see if this is represented and saw all of the symbols reflecting this past. South Node in Aries in the 2nd, ruler Mars in the 3rd squaring Uranus and Venus in Leo. Also the ruler being the Sun in Virgo balasalmic to Pluto. The sacrifice of his body for the voice is also seen with his Pisces Moon being inconjunct the Uranus and Venus in Leo, those symbols squaring his Mars in Taurus in the 3rd. In an article written by Hontas Farmer he said, “This is not to say, insinuate or imply that I think ol Joe Jackson orchestrated an unfortunate accident to preserve Michael's voice.” I find this incredible that this was ever written or implied in this way considering what was uncovered in this recent post with a past life of castration as a form of punishment by this very father.

Interestingly enough, Michael in this article was compared to a famous opera singer from Italy named Farinelli born to a family of musicians in 1705.  He had a stand out voice just as Michael did in his own family of musicians. Castration was not legal in those days so it was staged by his older brother to have him falling off of a horse and castrated to preserve his angelic singing voice. His voice was so high and so soft that he would sometimes take on female roles in the opera. He went on to a level of fame in those days that was similar to Michael Jackson.

Like the castrati Michael had a characteristically flashy and flamboyant life style.  Like them he suffered criticism for his not so typical masculine ways as they were strong in their femininity. Also like Michael, the castrati had a rigorous working lifestyle and their childhood taken from them. Michael once said of the rehearsal sessions that his father would sit in a chair watching and listening and holding a belt. This is all strikingly similar to the kind of training the castrati were subjected to. Their life, like his own was work work work and music, music, music.

Michael has all of the symbols, apart from being castrated as a form of punishment, to being castrated to preserve his voice, a castrati, in another life. I am not necessarily saying he was Farinelli, although their lives were notably similar and this occurred in Italy being an Aries line, Michael has a South Node in Aries. Libra is also part of this cardinal axis and Michael has South Nodes of Mars and Venus in Libra in the 8th conjunct his North Node and with the South Node in the 2nd (music) ruler being Mars in the 3rd (voice) in Taurus (music) and this squares Uranus and Venus, the ruler of his Mars, this suggests he also had a life where this occurred. His voice or the preservation of this soft childlike higher pitched tone in this life feels to me also to be a carry over from a life as a castrati. Many of the castrati were born into poor families (unlike Farinelli’s family who were well to do). I can see how Joe Jackson may have also been a father in another time who had Michael castrated not necessarily as a form of punishment but to preserve his voice in order for financial gain for the family.

Endocrinological conditions can also create castrati as well. The endocrine system connects to Pluto and the Moon. Michael has Pluto making a full phase opposition to his Moon. It is just beyond the 10 degree but still reflects where he has been relative to the family power controlling his life, his voice, his work and his body. Michael’s Pisces Moon is also inconjunt his Uranus and Venus in Leo in the 6th, ruler the Sun which is making a balsalmic conjunction to Pluto. Also reflected in his Moon squaring Saturn in Sagittarius in the 9th."He was diagnosed with a condition known as vitiligo.  One treatment for which is plastic surgery and makeup to create an even skin tone.  Vitiligo is associated with autoimmune disorders in particular disorders of the thyroid either being underactive or overactive. Then consider what else the thyroid controls.... the thyroid is one gland which along with the pituitary conducts all the other endocrine glands in the human body including the reproductive organs. Symptoms of Hyperthyroidism and Hypothyroidism both include a suppressed libido and can contribute to hypogonadism.  An autoimmune disorder could also attack his pituitary gland which could also lead hypogonadism. Of course the autoimmune disorder which could cause Michael Jackson to need so many drugs and to be in so much pain could have directly attacked his gonads from a young age.  A persistent and progressive condition such as Michael's vitiligo implies that this was not caused by some infection, he had a chronic condition of some kind.  The pathways I have outlined above are many ways that one could end up with suppressed puberty, lack of sexual development and hence in the case of one with his intrinsic musical talents, a otherworldly singing voice.”

(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/kristinfontana/Michael_jackson.jpg)

For Michael, it felt that most of his sexual practices were left on the dance floor as he clutches his crotch in an instinctual way, a form of self masturbation, performing and sexual expression for the world to see. A sort of “this is mine’ gesture after the prior trauma in being castrated in a recent life and the SAFETY that the stage provided for him. There is also something about all the eyes on him while he grabs himself. The desire to be watched, a from of voyeurism is a Taurean phenomenon seen with his South Node in Aries in the second, ruler Mars in the 3rd, squaring Venus and Uranus in Leo. The Aquarian signature in combination with this Taurean expression is  observed as he is removed from his audience and alone in this act, ie no one is touching him back -you can look but they cannot touch. This becomes a sexual thrill, a grounding yet exciting rush but also a SAFE expression of his sexuality as he said the stage is the only place he feels safe and at home. Michael's South Node in Aries in the 2nd house, ruler Mars in Taurus in the 3rd reflects a glorification of the phallus and a need for self touch and in his Leo way almost a celebration of it on stage. He is male and he is female on that stage and his moves and his voice reflects this androgyny. He would also need to masturbate regularly and privately whenever the instinct calls in order to ground himself and create more inner stability and to keep the CHI flowing so to speak. Michael's PRIMARY sexual orientation was with himself: masturbation and even 'experimenting' with different and unusual ways to make himself 'release' seen again with his South Node in Aries, ruler Mars in Taurus in the 3rd house squaring Venus and Uranus in Leo. Also his South Nodes of Mars and Venus although they are in Libra, their ruler is in Leo and this conjuncts Uranus and squares Mars, the ruler of his South Node. Perhaps this was his way of attempting to reconnect all of the inner working circuits that were severed in other times. But also it was his way of attempting to re-empower himself because of lives where sex lead to traumatic and severe consequences such as castration as well as lives when personal and total humiliation occurred when asked to do things that were not pure or natural.

It is is a mystery what happened behind closed doors, North Node in Libra in the 8th conjunct Neptune in Scorpio, ruler Pluto balsamic conjunction to the Sun in the 6th once off the stage and when a prospective partner is involved. This is a sacred topic for this Pisces Moon and Pisces rising Soul as undoubtedly this innocence is carried into the bedroom. Michael is naturally shy and innocent especially as it relates to intimacy and because of the thwarted emotional development and inability to have a natural and normal upbringing all of his experience and understanding in being relationships as an adult was extremely limited. He would have acted very much like a child seen with his Venus and Uranus conjunct in Leo trining his Saturn and South Node. Going on a date with Michael very well would have included spending time in Neverland, his amusement park and movie theatre with popcorn and treats, spending time with his unusual animals on his property or going on wild adventures in far away lands, places where he could disappear into his own fantasyland. He would have attempted to recover his childhood and teen years of dating in this way. I feel there also would have been a very curious little boy side of him sexually as a child would as he enters puberty if he wanted to experiment and try on many hats with the ruler of his South Node in Aries being Mars in the 3rd. Perhaps there were even games in the mix as if the bedroom was more like a playground with the ruler of his Mars in Taurus being Venus in Leo. What he needed most however was simply TO BE HELD without sexual intent by another..to be held like a child held by his mother without anyone forcing themselves on him in any way for this would have caused him to freeze, detach and shutdown see with his Uranus and Venus conjunct in Leo squaring Mars, his South Node ruler. Also this Uranus and Venus conjunction opposing Chiron in Aquarius. Any forced sexual act coming at him would have triggered all of the sexual traumas of his past.

I also mentioned that Michael felt more acceptable as a female than he did as a male..and if you observe images of him from a boy to a man there is a progression of a black boy becoming a white female due to his reported skin condition called Vitiligo but this desire to be female again is seen in this progression. This influence may very well be connected also to his own experience not only being initiated by the vesta consort but by doing the initiating of boys entering manhood when he was a sacred Vesta consort himself. Because his Vesta is in Cancer in his 5th, in natural times this would have equaled initiating his own children and he clearly has carried this sacred imprint into this life. His Soul remembers and knows the power of the feminine, in particular the sacred sexuality of his roots. My feeling is in intimate situations,  as long as he felt TOTALLY SAFE and the environment was beautiful and clean, North Node in Libra conjunct his South Node of Mars and Venus in Libra, ruler Venus in Leo in the 6th, he would prefer the woman to take charge and 'act like a man' not only because he feels more feminine himself but also because of needing to let someone else lead for once due to the weight of the public pressure and responsibilities of his life. He would prefer being in a more receptive role, receiving direction, the partner even being like a gentle teacher for him but ONLY if there was total trust and a feeling of being SAFE. North Node in Libra conjunct Jupiter, ruler Venus in Leo in the 6th, showing details and steps. The need for trust and safety is seen with his Pluto Sun balsalmic in Virgo, North Node in Libra in the 8th with Neptune, the ruler of his Pisces Moon. Also a friend turned lover would feel the safest way to enter partnership. It seems with all of his own interrupted emotional development that he wold have a tendency to detach and disengage at times, also so terribly shy and insecure sexually would make him restless and nervous, another way to view the Uranus Venus conjunction inconjunct his Pisces Moon. The insecurity and lack of experience is also seen with Saturn squaring his Moon and the excessive shyness beyond the Pisces rising and Moon in Pisces, the Moon makes a sesquisquare to its own ruler Neptune, in the 8th house of intimacy. Also his Mars in Taurus square Venus and Uranus could symbolize pre-mature ejaculation or the other extreme not being able to maintain an erection, especially if he does not feel SAFE. The trauma from recent lives reflected in the Mars T-square to Chiron, Uranus and Venus may have also created an inability to get emotionally close at all with anyone unless they were innocent children, animals or in some cases adults that were friends he felt he could trust as in Elizabeth Taylor. As far as intimacy with partners he may have also had a fear of being 'contaminated' due to being forced into sexually performing or sexually forced to do things in other lives not by his choosing. The fear of contamination triggered from these gross past experiences experience seen in this same signature that keeps repeating -South Node in Aries in the 2nd, ruler mars in Taurus in the 3rd square Uranus and Venus in Leo in the 6th on one side and Chiron in Aquarius on the other. Also with his North Node in Libra in the 8th house, ruler Venus in Leo in the 6th, ruler Sun balsamic conjunction to Pluto in Virgo in the 6th.With the signatures noted it could also reflect Michael being ASEXUAL and not capable of deeply connecting sexually because of the prior trauma. Because of his natural sensitive nature his heart appeared to naturally open but there was only so far his body and Soul could go. Early in his life he was also subjected to singing in strip clubs with his brothers and being in the room while wild sex was going on in the bed next to him which would have tainted the whole idea of the pure intimacy his Soul remembers in particular regarding his Vesta in Cancer in the 5th trining his Pisces Moon and Ascendant signature where intimacy felt like being mainlined in the purest form to the Goddess. The early exposure to the strip clubs with his brothers can be seen with his South Node in Aries, ruler Mars in the 3rd in Taurus, T square to Chiron in Aquarius and Uranus and Venus in Leo, Sun conjunct Pluto in Virgo in the 6th.  Often his brothers would end up bringing women back the the room. One of Michael's brother Jermaine's conquests recalled such an experience:

    "I jumped into bed with him and he climbed on top of me. As he climaxed, he shuddered so loudly I was afraid he would wake up Michael and Marlon, who were sleeping three feet away in the next bed. Or at least I thought they were sleeping. As I was slipping out of the room, I heard Michael say to Jermaine, 'Nice job. Now, can we please get some sleep?'"

This experience alone (and there were many) would delay any child entering puberty to want to engage sexually especially with his Pisces purity. In other words, if this is what is all about. I don't want it.

With this Pisces lens, Moon in Pisces sesquisquare the ruler Neptune in Scorpio in the 8th he may not be trusting people in general that deserve his trust or simply trusting them for their potential. He had two wives, one very famous Lisa Marie-Presley and the other 37 year old nurse he experiencing the extreme seen with his North node in Libra with South Node of Mars and Venus in Libra there with Original Lilith. In fact, there were rumors about him not even having actual intercourse with his wives and using the ‘turkey baster’ method in order to have children.
Michael’s first wife was Lisa Marie Presley whom he was only married to for a year and a half said, ""I do believe he loved me as much as he could love anyone and I loved him very much ... I became very ill and emotionally/spiritually exhausted in my quest to save him from certain self-destructive behavior and from the awful vampires and leeches he would always manage to magnetize around him. I was in over my head while trying ... He was an amazing person and I am lucky to have gotten as close to him as I did and to have had the many experiences and years that we had together." Michael’s self destructive behavior is seen with his stacked 6th house as we have discussed, the obsessive compulsiveness of it all with Pluto making a balsamic conjunction to his Sun in Virgo, the sun ruling his Venus in Leo.  I am sure he had plenty of quirky habits and an unusual lifestyle with Uranus and Venus initiating that 6th house stellium. Also the immense focus on all that was lacking primarily in himself. This would have ultimately been projected onto any partner. This marriage ended in 1996.

On November 15, 1996 he married Debbie Rowe, a former dermatological nurse, age 37,  who knew Jackson for 15 years before they were married, treating his skin condition and was apparently six months pregnant at the time of their marriage. Although she also cited irreconcilable differences as a reason for their divorce in 1999, on 4/27/05 she testified at the Michael Jackson trial that "[we] never shared a home; we never shared an apartment." North Node in Libra, ruler Venus in the 6th conjunct Uranus. She also stated that she had not seen her children in more than two years. Debbie  had been limited to seeing her children only every 45 days, and then for only eight hours under the supervision of a nanny. As I read on to learn more about this marriage, it appears this was only a business arrangement so Michael could have children. There were rumors that the children were not even his and that a sperm donor was used. This would also not surprise me as some of the signatures in his chart can reflect a dehydration or fractured/broken sperm due to past life trauma, Mars in Taurus square Uranus and Venus in Leo, the ruler of this Mars in Leo or ‘slow swimmers’, not allowing him to have children of his own. Uranus also being the ruler of his Chiron in Aquarius which squares Mars on the other side. At the very least it seems as if this second wife was inseminated and she was only in place to produce children, not for an intimate relationship, nor to be a Mother in her children's lives. She was quoted saying,"The children are a gift for Michael. The children are Michael's and Michael's alone. I would call this an unusual arrangement. Venus in Leo conjunct Uranus trining his Saturn but inconjunct his Pisces Moon.

Also I feel it is important to carry this ‘intimacy with siblings’ theme forward into this post and include it here with a reminder that the South Node in Aries in the 2nd in Aries, ruler Mars in the 3rd(siblings), square Uranus and Venus in Leo in the 6th remembering here what Rad also shared
"His Soul came through families of nobility including ruling families of countries and cultures at various times. It was not uncommon for incestuous relationships among the siblings to take place especially when, at times, the siblings were half brothers and sisters. In some of these cases the siblings were even required to marry one another in order to sustain the family lineage in order to keep the family in power as the ruling family such as the case with the family of Cleopatra in Egypt. Thus, his Soul has memories of such lives where the 'taboo' typically associated against sibling sex was not as intense as it normally is in most patriarchal cultures.”The intimacy through family as in siblings would have also have been a very safe place in certain natural times for full exploration to occur. Please reference Michael and Janet's specific connection in prior post and Rad if this is appropriate can you give your thoughts on whether they are also SAME SOUL. Written by Rad  "Relative to his sister Janet is the current life they did have such an incestuous relationship in other lives, more than one, that had these cultural context of sibling sex relative to royal or ruling families, but also one life that did not. It was in that life, relatively recent, in which he got his sister pregnant which then lead the head of that family, the father, forcing her into an abortion that caused her death. That very same father then had his son castrated as punishment for what he had done.  This picture of the two of them feels to validate SAME SOUL along with the their mutual fame - attract/repel dynamics, conjuncting Mars, along with their father also sharing that Mars which connects to the castration life where she was intimately involved with Michael when they were siblings.

(http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/4087343/Michael+Jackson++Janet+Jackson+Michael+and+Janet+Jackson.jpg)

Janet also has a similar sexual stage display - body touch /flaunt. In her case I saw a lot of half naked images of her touching her breast (some more tasteful than others) which coincides with the same soul consideration.

(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh538/kristinfontana/janethand2-1.jpg)

His dreamy way and overly idealistic nature had him being in ‘love with love’ but becoming disillusioned by it at the same time. This is seen with his Venus in Leo, conjunct North Node of Neptune in Leo inconjunct Moon in Pisces on the Ascendant. He was known to be enormously giving and generous and also taken advantage of within this generosity and because of this natural innocence he would also attract people who only wanted to take and rape him for who he was and what he had, as Lisa Marie mentioned attracting the ‘vampires and leeches’. What he needs in relationships more than anything is to feels totally SAFE and the only time that ever happened was when he was with innocent children, animals or trusted friends. Even his experience with children which he loved more than anything as it allowed him to have the childhood that was lost became a living nightmare as the allegations of sexual molestation ensued. The innocence and naivete had him being set up from the very start. North Node in Libra conjunct Neptune in Scorpio in the 8th, sesquisquare his Pisces Moon and Ascendant.

As he leaves this life and enters the next I hope a healing of his natural androgynous nature can happen by freely being able to re-experience his innocence again. As Rad had answered Jason's question about this life’s dynamics closing in with the Pluto, Sun balsamic conjunction in Virgo in the 6th where all the abuse, crisis and pain can culminate. Also the Sun rules his Venus in Leo so culminating and eliminating all of the relationships that have wounded him and caused him unimaginable suffering, the termination of relationships of a superficial nature as well as he prepares to exit the 3rd stage individuated and enter the 1st stage spiritual. The projected judgements and his father's abusive M.O to have Michael somehow be 'perfect' created its own kind of monster in terms of the messages about himself that he has internalized, of never being good enough no matter how hard he tries. He will learn that no one is perfect and never will be. That perfection is in the process. I do feel hopeful for him that his natural sexuality can heal and return as I observe the South Nodes of Mars and Venus being in Libra with Original Lilith and his North Node of Chiron all conjunct his North Node and trining his natal Chiron in Aquarius in the 12th. They also conjunct Neptune in Scorpio, Neptune being the ruler of his Pisces Moon an Ascendant. Taking it one step further. Neptune in Scorpio in his 8th house also trines Michaels' North Node of Mars in Gemini in the 4th house reflecting sexual and emotional healing of his dual nature. He can be his naturally male and female self expressing whichever pure side of that he chooses which would equal switching roles at will and experiencing both sides of his sexuality equally, back to the way God designed him and created him to be.

Peace,
Kristin


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: cat777 on Feb 15, 2012, 01:14 PM
Hi Rad,

Got my mojo back and am well into my piece.  Hoping to post late tonight - if not, this weekend at the latest.

Kristin,

Looking forward to reading yours - waiting until after I finish mine.  I have a hunch yours is extremely insightful! 

cat


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: mirta on Feb 17, 2012, 12:56 PM
Hi Rad and Group,

The Soul’s life as Michael Jackson has a strong emphasis in an archetypal transition. Within this, Mars in Taurus, ruler of 2nd house reflects a sexual energy experimented as a vehicle for metamorphosis of emotional and psychological limitations.
With SN in 2nd house ruled by Mars in Taurus this Soul has been strongly grounded in the body, but in this life sexual experience intended to unlock the depth of the emotions that could lead to the Soul, even though not yet to Soul encounters through sexuality.
The Soul was intending to focus on its inner motivations and psychological dynamics as a way to reclaim projections and complete individuation. Sexually this means the passage from a primary focus in physical anchored sexuality to focusing consciousness in the Soul, and eventually (in the future) from profane to sacred sex. ( NN in  8th house conjunct Jupiter and Neptune, ruled by Venus T-square Psyche in Scorpio and Mars in Taurus; Neptune in 8th house Scorpio conjunct NN and Jupiter; Neptune NN in 5th house Leo conjunct 12th house ruler and NN Venus and Vesta; SN Venus balsamic conjunction SN Mars and Lilith in Libra in 8th house).

GENDER CONSCIOUS INTEGRATION
Aries in 2nd house reflects a magnetic inner vibration that operates instinctively, not consciously. Sexual energy is strong, yet unformed; Pisces in 1st house also suggests this while it’s not yet transmuted.
This magnetism is seen in the stage, where Venus in Leo gives it creative form, and I believe that this instinctive and even new manifestation is related to masculine expression of sexuality. I see him as a Soul who is living a mostly feminine ego and psyche in a masculine body and trying to consciously integrate masculinity.
Although with SN of Mars and Venus in Libra the Soul has desired inwardly unite the inner male and female through sexual role equality, there is a skipped step in gender assignment whose resolution node is in Aries, a masculine and phallic sign.
The ongoing integration between feminine and masculine aspects can be seen in Mars Venus Crescent Phase, an inner empowerment for the Soul as it forms a new way of relating to itself, and thus to other people; and in the asteroid Psyche.  

Psyche’s story, with the four tasks assigned by Aphrodite, represents the development of the feminine soul. Astrologically, Psyche is a higher octave of Venus, and I am taking it mostly in its inner aspect.
Psyche’s 2nd task - symbolic of the way that feminine psyche has to approach to masculine energy in order to incorporate it - was to bring a golden fleece taken to the fiery rams that were grazing at the other side of the river. Some bulrushes tell her that it requires a strategy: not approaching the rams until twilight, and not taken the wool directly from them.
Mars FP opposition and Venus LQP Psyche reflect this task. Venus by means of a repolarization of consciousness and a crisis in it in order to begin a preliminary building of awareness that embrace the universal, the timeless, a “crepuscular “ crisis .
Mars in 3rd house Taurus FP(noon) opposition Psyche reflects the need of throwing off the tendency to shape destiny from a strictly egocentric point of view and attempting to dominate others through strength of will; the soul is learning to listen to others in order to evaluate itself and entering in relationships as an equal.
Psyche’s 3rd task was filling a crystal cup with water from one of the Hades’ rivers, symbolic of life and death. Taken by despair, she is helped by Zeus’s eagle that takes a cup of water for her.
Feminine consciousness has been described as not focused, flooded with all of life’s possibilities. But we need to choose; and like the eagle we need to see with a panoramic view but focusing in a singular point and capturing a “unique cup of water”. Psyche in Scorpio in 9th house – Hades water and Zeus’s eagle - in a Grand Trine with Pisces Moon and Vesta’s focus in 5th house Cancer is a beautiful expression of this Soul resolving Aphrodite’s task.  
SN Venus balsamic conjunction SN Mars and Lilith in 8th house Libra conjunct NN, Jupiter and Neptune also reflects that ongoing integration and transition to the transcendent, the spiritual.    

SN in Aries in 2nd house conjunct SN Chiron in 2nd Taurus and ruled by Mars in Taurus suggests that the soul needed to shut down sexuality in order to survive, related to past lives of prostitution as a woman and a child, and that preexisting pattern still persist reaffirmed by trauma and guilt related to the former lives described with sexual relationships between siblings. Mars in 3rd house reflects this karmic condition that produces the arrest of the sexual development, which leads to a form of sexual infantilism remaining sexually immature as an adult. “The genital region. . . can be “frozen” because the nerves (Gemini) have become restricted. . . this can manifest as impotence”. (JWG, Pluto 2)

In former lives the Soul has been learning ways of being in relationships in order  to balance its need for independence with his need to be in relationship and understanding  the nature of its projections onto people (and vice versa), and  learning about sexual karma.
But it lost sight of their own desires and needs, and many other people projected their needs and expectations onto it, who eventually became overwhelmed and confused, with regard to its own needs and desires.
However, it also focused its intense energy within itself in order to understand the nature of its desires, motivations and intentions; the nature of its emotional dynamics, anger, personal power and limitations. (SN of Mars in Libra in 8th house)
In this life, with Mars in Taurus, BML and Eros in Aries the soul is trying to recover its individuality and a mature knowledge of the causes of its confusion (Mars PP in Scorpio conjunct Psyche, Grand Trine Vesta in 5th house and Moon conjunct Ascendant in Pisces; Mars inconjunct NN conjunct Jupiter and Neptune in Scorpio in 8th house, that are conjunct O. Lilith, SN Mars and Venus and NN Chiron).

In this process autoerotism can be an interface, and is reflected in Aries 2nd house with Resolution BML on it, and Eros in 1st house Aries conjunct SN of Juno and Pallas. In addition, the described possible difficulty in the ego constitution in the passage to acknowledging a separate love object can have left an adherence to an autoerotic phase.
Furthermore, the chart shows a strong masturbatory tendency as a way to reconnecting with his individual independence and becoming self-reliant. (SN conjunct BML in 2nd, ruler Mars in Taurus, Venus in Leo).

Fantasy was probably an important component or manifestation of his sexuality, and appears as another interface between a primary focus in physical sexuality and Soul’s encounters in sexual union, and a path to transmutation  (Neptune in Scorpio in 8th house, opposite SN in 2nd and SN Chiron in 2nd Taurus (throwing off sexual violence suffered and exerted, and the wounds related to sexual values and orientations), conjunct NN and Jupiter in Libra; ruler of PP, Ascendant and Moon ; conjunct SN Dionysus and NN Chiron; sextile Pluto conjunct Amazone; square NN Venus, Vesta and Neptune in 5th house; trine NN Mars and Ceres. Eros in 1st house Aries conjunct SN Juno inconjunct Neptune in 8th house Scorpio, inconjunct Pluto, Sun and Juno, and trine 12th house ruler Uranus).
Jung stated that:” A fantasy needs to be understood both causally and purposively. Causally interpreted, it seems like a symptom. . . the outcome of antecedent events. Purposively interpreted, it seems like a symbol, seeking to characterize a definite goal with the help of the material at hand, or trace out a line of future psychological development.”
Fantasy may have been manifesting sexuality in a symbolic plane, designating something that “is only foreboded, but not yet clearly known” (Jung). It was an intermediate, “transitional” zone, aimed to linking internal reality with the external as were once the autoerotic phenomena and the soft toys, and as in adult life is art. This “intermediate zones” were the planes in which he could sustain the tension between illusion-disillusion; between external and internal reality.
I wonder if his “sleeping with children” was an opportunity to live his sexual fantasy.
Jung’s perspective about children’s sexual abuse was that it is a degenerative impairment of the necessary and healthy unfoldment of incestuous fantasy.
Michael doesn’t look like an abuser (although it’s not easy to determine what constitutes abuse regarding children). I also see him innocent as Kristin says, even healing for children with his Vesta in 5th house Cancer trine Moon in Pisces and square Ceres in 7th house.
Vesta in 5th house Cancer skipped steps;and  Persephone in 5th house Leo conjunct Venus Uranus opposite Chiron; T- square Neptune and Hades in 2nd house Taurus conjunct SN of Chiron ; inconjunct Moon opposite Ceres; trine Saturn conjunct Lucifer; trine Eros; sextile SN Venus and conjunct NN Venus and Neptune in  Leo in 5th house, suggest that he was looking for the inner child not well differentiated from his mother and hook of her projections and unactualized desires; that it was his own inner child - injured and not allowed to be, snatched to him in the current life abuse and in prior lives prostitution - that he was seeking in his relationship with children.

Thanks Rad for your support and guidance, for always being.
God Bless
Mirta




Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: cat777 on Feb 17, 2012, 08:26 PM
 “Jackson is a walking set of contradictions between male and female, gay and straight, man and boy, abused and abuser.” (Amy Sohn – Ny Magazine – 2005). 

Michael Jackson's Pluto is conjunct the Sun in Virgo in the 6th House symbolizing an
evolutionary intention and desire to readjust or eliminate any internal patterns of egocentric self-identification, delusions of granduer, and intellectual or emotional patterns within him that have been limiting him and preventing growth. These internal patterns include a need to be recognized and acknowledged as special, an “anything goes” approach to sex and sexuality, and a narcissistic orientation towards sex in which his focus has been solely on self-pleasure.

In previous lives, as described by his SN in Aries in the 2nd House semi-sextile Mars in Taurus in the 3rd House,  Michael needed a great deal of freedom in order to experience and explore sex and sensuality in its many forms. He had a desire to experiment with all types of sexual expression, including detaching himself from the sexual instinct and being asexual or celibate. He instinctually rebelled against cultural and social customs or morals which resulted in him experimenting with forms of sexual expression that others considered as kinky, weird or bizarre.  His mind was always engaged and he was always observing what was occurring during any sexual activity.  Although he was willing to try almost any type of sexual experience at least once, he preferred durational and sustained sex above all else. He wasn't concerned with the psychological and emotional aspects of relationships and was focused solely on meeting his physical and sensual needs. He engaged in sex with others without any emotional involvement and masturbation  (Mars in Taurus and Aries on the 2nd House cusp)  was likely his favorite form of physical pleasure.  Pluto's SN Rx in Capricorn conjunct Saturn's SN Rx in Capricorn in the 11th house show he repressed his sexual desires creating a deep emotional and sexual anger within himself which distorted both his sexual and emotional needs and desires.  In addition he chose to detach himself from consensus lifestyles and expectations and aggressively rebelled against any pressure to conform to the expectations of his parents, peers and society. In the end, although he desired to experiment with different types of sexuality, he repressed these desires and at the same time yearned to lose control of himself through sexual intercourse while releasing the tension through masturbation (Mars in Taurus). 

In previous lives, Michael was learning about sexual karma as indicated by the SN of Mars in Libra 8th House.  He had sexual relationships with a diversity of people, including his sister (Mars in the 3rd house), creating karmic bonds with each. There is a need to learn sexual discrimination as he lost touch with his own needs in the past and developed a fear of intimacy based on fears of loss, betrayal and abandonment. With the SN of Venus in Libra in the 8th House, his sense of self worth, value and meaning were conditioned by what others extended to him rather than from a source in side himself.
He possessed a natural sexual grace and beauty which resulted in others projecting their sexual fantasies upon him. He had a tendency to mirror his partner's sexual reality which caused his own sexual desires to be undeveloped or submerged. He attracted partners who expected him to act out their sexual reality which created a buildup of anger within him as these relationships were not based on sexual or emotional equality. He wanted to be loved and accepted for who he was, not as a fantasy figure. His desire for sexual role equality resulted in a bisexual orientation as there was a desire to balance his anima and animus. At the same time, he had a desire to merge and be absorbed into the essence of  his partners and thus himself. He wanted and needed to be gently and intensely touched by another.  He was fascinated with the mystery of sexual energy as it symbolizes both life and death and is a vehicle of self discovery to be explored in every way.  In addition, as with Pluto in the 6th House opposition Chiron in the 12th House, he was in need of sexual and emotional healing as he carried a deep inner wound within him.  At some point, with his SN in Aries in the 2nd House semi-sextile Mars in Taurus in the 3rd House, he began to instinctually sense the difference between profane and spiritual sexuality through his sexual experiences.

With the SNR, Mars in Taurus in the 3rd House, Michael instinctually resisted
accepting or adopting any value system other than his own in previous lives. He had a desire to challenge the limitation of gender roles which may have manifested as bisexual or homosexual desires. In addition, there were sexual issues in his past involving his parents and siblings resulting in arrested sexual development and sexual immaturity as an adult. Taurus on the 3rd house cusp is an indication of sex or flirtation with sibling.  As Kristin pointed out, and Rad verified, Michael had a series of lifetimes in which he had sexual relations with his sister and in which his father castrated him.  Again, he was oriented towards durational and sustained sexuality which was often accomplished through masturbation. He had to be mentally stimulated in order to be aroused and needed the help of sexual devices or aides in order to stay mentally engaged or he risked becoming bored.  His Mars in Taurus in the 3rd House, reflects a desire nature that seeks to use sexual energy as a vehicle for the metamorphosis of his emotional and psychological limitations. In order to become aware of his own emotional and psychological reality, and the needs that reflect that reality, he would create sexually confrontational situations that served to bring his emotional and psychological reality and needs into conscious awareness and focus.  His desire to explore and understand every type of sexual orientation and behavior was the underlying cause of this desire. Although he did not necessarily want to experience every type of sexual orientation or behavior, he desired to learn and understand as much as he could about sex and sexuality as he had a desire to obtain as much sexual knowledge as possible.  He had a strong and constant sexual nature as well as a strong instinctive physical and sexual magnetism which helped him attract the sexual experiences his soul needed in order to learn about the nature of sexual energy and the proper and improper use of it. He either focused on sex for its own sake, engaging in sexual relationships for stimulation only, separating body and emotions or experienced sex in a way that unlocks the depths of the emotions leading to the soul. In the second case, he would find sex to be unfulfilling if limited to just physical stimulation alone as there would be a desire for a soul connection. If this were the case, he had a desire to evolve from profane sex to sacred sex.

As we know, previous experiences symbolized by the SN and the various planetary South Nodes influence and shape one's current life. Much of what we see from Michael's past lives were traits and behaviors carried forth into his most recent life.  In addition, with Pluto in Virgo in the 6th House, Michael came into this life with an inner feeling of guilt based on prior life mistakes and indescretions. On some level he felt a need to atone for his mistakes and chose a crisis prone life that would lead to self-analysis in order for him to become aware of the inner reasons or dynamics behind his behavior. 
He came into this life feeling essentially alone and had a hard time relating to people.  Whenever a personal crisis occurred, he felt victimized and criticized all that is considered “normal” by society and attempted to separate from the mainstream.  At the same time, society was inclined to criticize him for being different.  It was theme throughout his life.  According to a friend of Lisa Marie Presley, “Perhaps, he rather enjoyed wallowing in his own pain, playing the victim. He was like a young boy, angry at the world  and his self-pity became a strain on the relationship. She had no patience at all with the lost childhood routine. "Who hasn't had a miserable childhood?" she would say.' “

With his Pluto in Virgo in the 6th House, his sexual impulses and needs were very strong but he had a tendency to over analyze his natural urges resulting in him nuetralizing his natural sexual expression. He focused on what he lacked and attempted to fill his inner void buy keeping busy and channeling his sexual energy into his career and music (Pluto Conjunct Sun sextile Jupiter (Libra) and Neptune (Scorpio) in the 8th House. His music and performing before many people became a defacto sexual act.  “His greatest, most passionate, tempestuous and erotic love affair wasn’t with any individual woman or man, or any particular young boy or chimpanzee.  It was with the public. In a sense, Jackson’s sexuality was that of a consensual exhibitionist with the public as his bedazzled voyeurs.”  Michael experienced normal sex as lacking in some way and most of his life experienced an almost absolute lack of a sexual life with another person. Instead he created sexual imagery that excites mind and soul for the masses. He made love to this imagery on stage.  It manifested in the bedroom as well as a form of sexual sadism in which he made love to this imagery rather than his partner.  “"I am Peter Pan," he said, more than once. He lived in Neverland. His second wife, Debbie Rowe, said that in order to get in the mood to have sex with her, Jackson dressed up as Peter Pan and danced around the bedroom. She said: "It made him feel romantic."

Pluto and the Sun in Virgo in the 6th house are conjunct Cupido in Virgo in the 7th House indicating that as an artist and performer Michael Jackson was sexually desirable. It is said that the Sun conjunct Cupido “takes the native's love act nation-wide.”  Many a girl would develop a crush on him and he was the often persued by groupies and others wanting to sleep with him, or have a relationship with him,  not realizing that he was patently unobtainable as with Sun/Cupido one tends to direct their libido energy onto other external targets which in Michael's case was song and dance.  Girls from around the world were attracted to his clean, earthy sensuality.  With his Pluto conjunct the Sun in Virgo in 6th house, Michael possessed a sexual magnetism which attracted many but he gave off a “look but don't touch” vibe. In spite of his sex appeal, he was not promiscuous at all. “The dynamic sex appeal he generated when performing seemed to desert him in the real world with real people. “ With his Sun sextile Neptune in Scorpio in the 8th House Michael was highly imaginative and had a Peter Pan emotional/sexual nature meaning no matter how old he was,  his emotional/sexual desires remained those of a youth. “He identified so strongly with Peter Pan that he tried to reinvent himself in that image "longing to embrace the innocence of childhood" while denying its "hidden carnality."  His Sun is inconjunct Eros Rx in Aries in the 1st House symbolizing repression of the sex drive, sexual dysfunction, and a tendency to seek outlets for unconventional sexual fulfillment as well as guilt and over-reaction towards the sexual experience in general. Michael was raised as a Jehovah’s Witness.  His mother was super religious and taught that sex was dirty. “Whatever happened in those seedy venues, eventually little Michael went home to his beloved mother who was strict in a very different way, a devout Jehovah’s Witness, who taught him that “lust in thought or deed” was horribly sinful.”  (A study done last year on the relationship between religion and sexual guilt was able to stratify religions according to how guilty its members feel after having sex. Jehovah's Witnesses were second, only after Mormons, for feeling guilty after having sex).  In an interview, a young Michael Jackson once told a story about a groupie trying to seduce him and ended it proudly proclaiming that he was't “tempted”.  His religious conditioning caused him to repress his natural sex drive and replace it with an alternative and unconventional type of sexual expression. “It seems plausible that an adolescent Jackson might have sublimated his forbidden urges into work and musical ambition.”  Off stage he may have simply been asexual.  “Today we find the idea of nonsexuality more bizarre than deviant sexuality. But in Michael Jackson's case, it seems more plausible than any other explanation.”  Michael's Sun is conjunct Juno which once again is a sign of an androgynous orientation which caused people to think he was either bi-sexual or homosexual as Sun/Juno is an indication that a balancing of the genders is of primary importance. In addition, with Pluto conjunct Cupido, sexual expression has to result in a transformative experience that will consume and reconstruct the individual anything less will not do.

With his NN in Libra in the 8th house, Michael Jackson came into this life with an intention and desire to merge with a partner in order to get closer to the source of his soul or God through the psychic release that is part of the sexual experience. The NN is in Libra indicating that this partner may have been his audience (many others). Michael had a strong sexual drive coupled with low self-esteem and a feeling that he was not attractive enough or appealing enough. This lack of self esteem inclined him to remain single most of his life as well as feel unloved. Due to his underlying insecurities he needed to feel very secure with an intimate partner in order to engage in intimate activities. It seems that he found such a partner in Lisa Marie Presley “ “Raised at her father's impregnable home, Graceland, she had much in common with the world's most famous pop star, cloistered away in Neverland.  Both had been sheltered from the real world, missed out on their childhoods and were mistrustful of outsiders. They believed they were soul mates...Presley admitted that at first, their sex life was sensual... Never before had he felt uninhibited and physically intimate with anyone.” In addition to his desire to merge with someone who made him feel safe and secure, he had a need and desire to unite his inner male and inner female (anima/animus) through sexual role equality which, with Libra involved, meant finding a partner who is as sensitive as he is.  His desire to unite his inner male and female parts manifested as what the public perceived as either homosexual, bisexual or androgynous tendencies. “Michael was often seen in dresses and other feminine attire.  He was practically a transvestite or at least, a modern-day dandy... from Thriller on, MJ’s makeup ontop of the plastic surgery and skin-bleaching got more and more extreme...  Jackson may have had a paraphilia clinically known as “autogynephilia,” sexual arousal at the idea of being a woman...he exhibited the diva/castrato style throughout his life.  Being a cross between male and female, the castrato can seem to be a kind of god, elevated above mere male or female humans.  But of course, the castrato is also a victim, a tragic child sacrifice on the altar of our entertainment.”


Pluto's NN in Cancer and the NN of Mars in Gemini in the 4th House,  Michael Jackson's  current evolutionary intention in relation to his sexual encounters, experiences and partners, was to learn to accept responsibility for his own actions, to become totally self-determined, to become emotionally mature and to become aware of the causitive factors behind his various emotional states and the sexual desires that manifest from them. He had a need and desire to learn the difference between natural sexual laws and sexual experimentation in order to learn about all the various ways of being sexual. There is a need and desire to evolve beyond his desire to try anything at least once and embrace a a sexual perspective which is consistent with who he is and what he needs. In order to learn these lessons, his soul chose to experience separation anxiety at birth.  This fear of leaving the womb caused him to feel sexually vulnerable throughout most of his life. These sexual fears were a reflection of his emotional vulnerability which was related to issues of trust. In order to compensate for these fears, he attempted to totally control his emotional and sexual life. His sexual energy and sexual needs were directly linked to his emotional dynamics which were very complex. His sexual and emotional immaturity was the cause of various forms of sexual dysfunction including his focus on children.  “When Jackson is around a teenager, it brings out his own immature, but not necessarily illegal, behavior... the sexual joking could be compensation for his lack of a mature sexual drive, be it straight, gay, or even bisexual...Whether or not he has ever touched a boy inappropriately, Michael Jackson seems too emotionally stunted to act in any grown-up way, including a deviant sexual one. Naive, juvenile, and terribly damaged, he seems pathetically incapable not just of criminal intent, but of adult consciousness...What emerged at the trial wasn't the picture of a man playing with children in order to seduce them. It was the picture of a man playing with children because he sees himself as one of them. He and his friends in the "Apple Head Club" stayed up all night playing videogames, watching television, and eating popcorn. In the absence of parental authority, they would sometimes drink wine out of Coke cans, make crank calls, look at dirty magazines, and try to gross each other out. A child in his own mind, Jackson sees all of his behavior as completely innocent. It was a sleepover party, not a seduction or even the sublimation of one. Hence his sincere-sounding admission to Martin Bashir that sleeping with young boys is loving, and not sexual. Jackson appears not to comprehend adult sexuality enough to get why people might divine a more sinister intent. (Jabob Weisberg – Slate)

The NN of Venus is in Leo in the 5th House symbolozing a natural love of the body and the sensuality that can manifest from it. Michael used his sensuality and sexuality as a form of personal and symbolic self-actualization and metamorphosis. He viewed his body as a form of artwork and felt free to create whatever he desired from it (the many plastic surgeries).  Michael enjoyed autoerotic activities such as masturbation and erotic daydreams and fantasies which manifested into reality through his art.  “Whatever his sexual orientation, paraphilias or fetishes, there is no doubt that MJ was an avid, though covert, proponent of the art and sport of solo sex... One of his top songs, “Beat It” manages to be both a catchy paean to non-violence and a joyous celebration of masturbation...  “Beat It” as the ultimate “beat off” anthem is undeniable....  But in concert footage, Jackson did even more of these masturbatory stroke movements, enhancing them with some lingering crotch grabs as well as sensuously rubbing his chest, and miming the zipping and unzipping of his fly.  The crowd went into an orgiastic frenzy.”
Michael's North Node Ruler, Venus in Leo in the 6th House, and his South Node Ruler, Mars in Taurus in the 3rd House,  form a First Quarter Phase square indicating that he experienced two previous primary lifetimes in which his evolutionary intention was to discover and establish new ways of being in relationships with others which reflected new ways in which he was learning to relate to himself.  He had evolved to a point where he had the courage to stand apart from everyone else and willfully assert his personal values even though others did not share his values.  With the square, this was not always easy, as it created an inner feeling of tension and turmoil as he attempted to integrate his relatively new sexual needs, values and orientations (Venus/NNR) with the pre-existing instinctual desire nature of his sou (SNR/Mars).

With his NNR,  Venus in Leo in the 6th House conjunct Uranus, Michael needed to learn to accept his sexual nature and liberate himself from the guilt association linked to his natural sexual desires.  This guilt was a by-product of lifetimes of patriarchal conditioning which made him feel inadequate relative to his gender role.  Michael was deep,  passionate and had a narcissistic orientation to sexuality with a high degree of focus on self pleasure. He was sexually creative especially in designing masturbatory practices that allowed for a deep intensity of psychological, emotional and physical sensation in order to renew and release his soul simulataneously.  He had a sadomasochistic orientation to sex and sexuality which manifested as an absolute denial of anything sexual and the lack of a sexual life with another person throughout most of his life. Although Michael was inclined to deny anything sexual in his personal life, he had a talent for creating sexual imagery that excites both the mind and the soul which he expressed through his music, dance and on-stage. In his personal life offstage, Michael was for the most part asexual due to an underlying fear of sexuality or being contaminated by others.  With Venus in Leo in the 6th house, Michael's passion for love and romance was channeled into his music and other creative pursuits. With Taurus on the 3rd House cusp Michael expressed his sexual thoughts and ideas through language in the form of lyrics and his songs. This is how he communicated his feelings and desires to others.

With his Venus in Leo in the 6th House, Michael would attract abusive people and relationships into his life as on some level he feels he deserves to be hurt, abused, taken advantage of, manipulated, deceived, critized or invalidated. In this life both his father and his brothers abused him.  They damaged him psychologically telling him he had a big nose and was ugly.   In addition, his father abused him physically to the point that Michael would vomit at the sight of him. In addition, he would attract others, like his father, who are self oriented and expect to be served and helped in an unequal way leaving Michael feeling victimized and powerless.  Michael was attracted to people who are emotionally wounded,  crippled or troubled in some way. " To Ms. Winfrey's question about what had "brought about such a bond" between them, Ms. [Elizabeth] Taylor replied that they became close as a result of having very similar childhoods. "I was a star when I was nine years old -- had an abusive father. That brought us close in the very beginning."

His Venus in the 6th house is another indication that Michael was essentially asexual due to a deep, unconscious guilt association with the life of the senses and body and the fear of being contaminated in some way. Such suppression of his natural sexual desires may haved manifested in him becoming a nervous, uptight, anxiety driven individual which eventually led to his drug addiction. Venus is conjunct Uranus opposition Chiron in the 12th house symbolizing his need for drugs in order to calm him down. Venus and Chiron are both square his Mars (sexual desires) adding a sexual element to the mix. “The French call orgasm le petit mort, the little death.  But a more literal “little death” is general anesthesia.  Your consciousness is as good as dead on the stuff. And yes, some individuals, including some of my sex therapy clients, have an erotic craving for the knock-out punch that ultra-strong anesthesia delivers. Some anesthesia fetishists actually feign or induce medical conditions in an attempt to obtain general anesthesia from medical personnel. This could have been one of the hidden reasons for MJ’s numerous plastic surgeries: He craved entering the blissful, blacked-out Neverland of anesthesia”
 
Psyche is in Scorpio conjunct the 9th House cusp indicating that Michael would have to confront karmic issues regarding his emotional/sexual relationships and his own unique expression of love in order to transform his ultimate values and meaning in life. The 9th House symbolizes the media which always questioning Michael's sexuality and the unique ways in which he expressed love.  “Though MJ’s sexual nature was inherently personal, just like every other human being’s, it was inextricably intertwined with his relationship with the public. Ironically, the public – and certainly the media – never could 'get' MJ’s sexuality, and still can’t. “   With this placement, any transit to Psyche was likely to trigger a re-enactment of pain and and suffering from a psychological wound or past life trauma that his soul has never fully recovered from. The purpose of this pain and suffering was purification – purification through suffering. Part of this pain and suffering came from public opinion as reported by the media.  Psyche is square Amor indicating that Michael would at some point attempt to separate his own personal love and emotional needs from the necessary challenges and disillusioning experiences that are a part of human life and intimate  emotional/sexual relationships.  Amor is in Leo in the 6th House conjunct Uranus and Venus, inconjunct the Moon in Pisces in the 1st House, and opposite Chiron Rx in AQ in the 12th House. Amor represents compassion, empathy and loving kindness. It represents  a state of loving rather than falling in love. Michael believed that he could express the highest form of love,  through his work and creative purpose. Amor is inconjunct his Moon and oppositite his Chiron indicating that at the same time he felt unworthy of being loved and avoided experiencing love up close with another person.

Amor opposition his Chiron in AQ in the 12th House shows that he found something more desirable than the love of an intimate partner and that was visiting and taking care of sick children. “To the world at large, his interest seemed odd, but not necessarily inappropriate. It was part of the way he seemed to shun the world in favour of a fantasy lifestyle.”  Although an honorable way of showing love, it is a distorted type of love that served to block or interfere with his ability to participate in a personal, fulfilling love relationship with another human being. It was a distorted type of love manifesting as a desire to be a compulsive caretaker of those who appeared weak in some way which helped compensate for his inner fear of lonliness. In addition, with Amor in Leo, it fed a need for constant adulation and assurances that his love was the ideal and highest type of love.  This unconditional giving of love and loving was a substitute for intimate love with a partner as with Amor conjunct Uranus which is conjunct Venus which is conjunct Mercury which is conjunct Pluto, he was liberated from the need to initiate close personal relationships with intimate partners as he believed this type of love is true, perfect and the ideal type of love.

Psyche is sextile Saturn in Sag in the 9th house, trine the Moon in Pisces in the 1st house and trine Venus and Uranus in Leo in the 6th house which all symbolize other areas in which transits would trigger a re-enactment of pain and and suffering from the past life psychological wound or trauma that Michael's soul has never fully recovered from. In relation to his Moon in Pisces in the 1st house he experienced pain and suffering which  damaged his ego and self-image in order to help him transform and and purify his inner security needs and ablity to nurture and be nurtured. Once again, much of the damage to his ego and self-image came courtesy of the media (9th house).  In relation to his Venus in Leo in the 6th house, it brought pain and suffering due to a lack of discrimination, overindulgence and excessive behavior in his relationsips with children. In his case, he was accused of being a pedifile although he was more likely sexually immature due to his arrested sexual development and just acting out as a child himself. In relation to Uranus in Leo in the 6th it brought pain and suffering due to his alternative preferences in sexuality which were bi-sexual on an inner level and asexual on an external level for the greater part of his life.  And finally with Saturn in Sag in the 9th house it brought pain and suffering in relation to Michael's version of truth and meaning which was very different than that of the consensus society he was part of.  Again, Michael's version of truth and reality was reported to the consensus culture and society through the media (9th house).

 


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Gonzalo on Feb 20, 2012, 02:06 PM
Hi Rad, and group ...

Here are my observations on some aspects of the sexual nature and dynamics of MJ.

Thanks so much to everyone participating in this thread, and thank you much Rad for your supervision, teaching and guidance.

Goddess Bless,

Gonzalo

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The 1st House cusp is Pisces, the Moon is in the 1st House Pisces, the ruler Neptune is in Scorpio in the 8th House, Aries is in the 2nd House, the Moon’s South Node is Aries, Mars is in the 3rd House Taurus, Disseminating square to the 6th House Pluto, which is Disseminating trine to the South Node. The south node of Mars is in the 8th House Libra, conjunct the North Node and Jupiter in Libra in the 8th House. The 2nd House cusp is Aries, ruled by the 3rd House Mars in Taurus, Taurus is in the 3rd House cusp. Venus is in the 6th House Leo, Crescent phase square to Mars, conjunct Uranus, Pallas and Mercury Rx. The south node of Venus is 8th House Libra, conjunct the south node of Mars.

Aries in the 2nd House Cusp and the South Node in the 2nd House in Aries, reflect an intense and powerful sexual nature grounded at the physical level, the physical body, and an intense sensation nature, that will be triggering instinctual response, including sexual response, ie. an intense masturbatory nature which has the instinctual capacity to stimulate itself and intensify the sensation and the response to sensation, intensifying and concentrating the physical experience, and at same time creating a potential for movement, and a potential for self-discovery from within through the sexual energy and the experiences created through such vehicle. The sense of identity in relation with the sexual nature is intense, yet it is unformed (also the Moon in the 1st House being Pisces, and Pisces in the 1st House cusp, adding confusion).

The South Node in the 2nd House being in Aries correlates too with the Soul’s desire to integrate the instinctual sexual nature, in order to create a new way of relating to self based on this self-discovery. Because it is the 2nd House, prior patterns of relating to self sexually have existed along many lifetimes, which have dictated the need of a new way of relating to self. Because of all the 6th House, patriarchal conditioning, suppression and repression of the sexual nature has created distortions of this energy, and intense crises of sexual nature. Thus, the Soul desires to relate to self in a new way, to initiate a new cycle of sexual self-discovery, and to heal and integrate the sexual nature. Because of the intensity of the sensation body and the potential for sexual response, many of the crises have been triggered instinctually. The instinctual desire nature itself as rooted in the physical body, has been repressed along many lifetimes, and has been used as a primary vehicle for the creation of crises. Because of this, there is an intense thought focus on the sexual energy, sensations, and in sex (Mars being in the 3rd House Taurus and the T-square with Chiron and Uranus). Same symbols reflect too the potential mental detachment from the body sensations. Of course they also reflect an intense and highly energized integration of body and mind through movement which is more or less limited to the physical. Hence, the same Mars 3rd House correlates to the potential of being totally engaged in bodily sensations, and at same time to the potential of being totally disengaged and detached from the physical body in an observational way.

The detachment is intensified because of the sexual traumas creating a concentrated thought focus on the sexual expression that would interrupt the flow of experience or create a duality between the experience of sensation and the thinking and observing the experience. The intention of the Mars in the 3rd House Taurus is to create an expansion of sexual self-knowledge through all types of sexual exploration and self-exploration, and a linear understanding of self at a sexual level. Because of the detachment, fueled by trauma, and because of patriarchal conditioning, Mars in the 3rd House reflects that all the unresolved or unharnessed sexual energy would be translating in all types of sexual thoughts and images that pervade the inner life and manifest on a continuous or cyclical way, and the desire to create sexual experiences based on these thoughts or images. At the Souls evolutionary stage, Mars in the 3rd House would correlate too with a bi-sexual orientation, which is evolving toward a state of androgyny. Mars in the 3rd House Taurus ruling the 2nd House Aries reflects the desire to investigate the own sexuality at the level of physical exploration by using different types of masturbatory activity. Because of patriarchal conditioning, it would also reflect an attraction to observational sexual activities, and to pornography. The potential detachment response during sexual activity would create a desire to intensify the stimulation at a physical level, in order to submerge the attention focus on the sensation body. The detachment would be triggered also when the Soul suddenly feels unable to trust or to feel safe with a partner or within the conditions of the environment, or whenever the existing feelings of inadequacy manifest in conscious awareness (Mars inconjunct with the North Node 8th House Libra, ruled by Venus in the 6th House).

Within sexual activity with other people the detachment response would be compounded with emotional insecurity, which would fuel a desire to intensify the sexual stimulation, translating in a display of intense physical sexual response and sensations, in order to overpower, consume and ‘posses’ the sexual partner. Thus, the Soul would try to overcome its own fears and feelings of inadequacy, and of impotency. This implies that the insecurity response would intensify a ‘male’ response-however it may be patriarchally conditioned-that would prevent a more subtle contact with the own and the partner’s sensations and overall sexual response, because of fear of vulnerability. The intensity of the prior sexual traumas, and the trauma of castration, would manifest as a fear of losing the erection, thus triggering the response of creating more intensity in the sexual stimulation. In this sense, the relation of the South Node and Mars with the 6th House Pluto and planets reflect a sadomasochistic orientation to sexuality, in which the sexual activity is based on increasing levels of sexual stimulation, equaling performance self-expectations or projected performance expectations when being with a partner, and a difficulty to surrender, ie. orgastic impotence in Wilhelm Reich’s terminology. The intensity of sexual stimulation would reach the point of physical pain. This orientation and the nature of the underlying fears would create a detachment from the own sensations, and the fundamental intention of the Soul of listening to self in new ways, and to integrate within the physical body because of the fear of vulnerability, translating into fear of receptivity and of sensation themselves. Thus, it would be difficult for the Soul to have complete, fulfilling, orgasms, that would serve for a full immersion of consciousness within the sensation body, and Soul, ie. oceanic experience.

Thus, one of reasons for the creation of sexual crises, as a potential basis for sexual self-knowledge, has lied on the sexual fears, and fears concerning the own sexual identity, which have remained unresolved and unaddressed because of this pre-existing compensatory, hyper-yang, orientation. Within these crises, the Soul has chosen as a vehicle for the crises the attraction to partners with sado-masochistic orientations to sexuality (Virgo 7th House, ruler Mercury in the 6th House Leo conjunct Pluto Virgo 6th House, Venus in the 6th House Leo; also, Cupid in the 7th House Virgo, ie. attracting and being attracted to types that are sexually distorted, crippled, and/or having sadomasochistic orientation, including wives with sadistic orientation (Cupid is conjunct Juno and the south node of Juno is in the 1st House conjunct Eros both in Aries), in which the intensity of the attractions and the quickness of the response are based on the guilt patterns and the desires both to conform to external expectations and to atone for the guilt. This has involved partners that have humiliated the Soul in different ways including sexual ways, and through violations of sexual trust and commitment (Mercury conjunct Pluto, Venus 6th House ruling the 8th House Libra).

With Lilith conjunct the south node of Mars, and conjunct the Moon’s North Node, relative to Vesta squaring the nodal axis in the 5th House Cancer, the Soul has fundamental desires of a deeper sexual integration at a physical and Soul level, through sexual experiences with trusted partners based on joyful and playful manifestation and sharing of the natural sexual nature of the Souls. This is also reflected in the north node of Venus being in Leo, in the 5th House. In these scenarios the Soul would have expectations of being sexually and emotionally nurtured and would manifest in a childlike narcissistic way with the expectation to receive a concentrated focus of love and attention in which his nature and subjective feeling of specialness are totally embraced and nurtured. These symbols reflect desires which originate in sacred sexual initiation with mother or sister type figures in which the Soul felt totally love, accepted, and safe, in which the sexual energy and nature manifested in natural ways and the Soul experienced deep communion with nature. Because of the unresolved fears and the attractions to sado-masochistic partners, these desires have served to induce experiences in which the Soul has felt further exposed sexually, and humiliated, which has intensified the feelings of sexual inadequacy. Eros in the 1st House Aries is inconjunct Pluto/Sun in the 6th House Virgo and also to Neptune in the 8th House Scorpio. This re-states that the Soul has been, at the same time, using its sexual nature as a specific vehicle for creating crises (South Node in the 2nd House Aries, with Pluto in the 6th House Virgo), recreating and internalizing a conflict about the sexual nature.  

The square between The Moon in the 1st House and Saturn reflects that the experiences of humiliation, and sexual wounding have created a crisis in sexual identity, and gender identity, because the Soul has been demanded to provide increasing sexual stimulation in yang, physical ways, which has never been enough for these partners, and the Soul has been rejected, humiliated, or betrayed, when desiring to open itself to its yin, feminine and receptive nature. Because of this crisis in sexual identity, the Soul has felt the need to define itself sexually in terms of gender. With Saturn/Moon being within the Crescent phase, this definition would need to occur through an internalized self-exploration. Though, because the Moon is in the 1st House, and ruling the 5th House, relative to the South Node ruler Mars being in the 3rd House, all the Leo planets. etc., the Soul has felt the need to define itself sexually in face of the external public, which of course is a projection of the internalized expectations and fears, in which the Soul desires to appear as totally 'masculine' in sexual terms.

Pluto/Venus being Balsamic in the 6th House correlates with a whole cycle of intimate relationships that is coming to a culmination, which has been based on experiences of humiliation along many lifetimes, which is a causal factor of the emptiness the Soul feels inwardly. This emptiness experienced through these types of relationships has induced the desire to conceal the sexual nature, ie, not to relate with intimate others based on the natural nature, and to create a duplicity in which the ‘masculine’ energy is directed and channeled toward external activity and sublimated in the work dynamic, creating the concentrated focus on work to the point of exhaustion, with work equaling a de facto sexual act, in which also relationships are subordinated to the context of work. The feminine energy-which in fact is the source and the inner nature of the masculine energy-remains locked, blocked, and un-nurtured.  Further, even though the sexual feminine orientation and needs are explored within private self-relationship, prior definitions associate these explorations with  patterns of guilt, shame and overall masochism, in which the feminine, sensitive, receptive and emotional nature is also overpowered by the ‘masculine’ energy through intense stimulation, instead of allowing the sensation body to fully manifest and expand from within. Thus, re-creating experiences of humiliation even within the private sexual relationship with self.

With Lilith in the 8th House Libra, conjunct the prior-life activated North Node, the original sexual nature of the Soul is oriented to create deep experiences of Soul merging through the vehicle of committed relationships which are defined by absolute equality in every sense including equality in roles, in giving and receiving, integration of male and female yin/yang polarities within self and with the committed partners.

The Dark Moon Lilith in the 6th House Leo conjunct the Leo Venus which is the North Node ruler, indicates that the distortion of the natural sexual nature because of patriarchal conditioning has occurred through sexual experiences defined by vicarious and subservient roles, and sexual superiority/inferiority occurred within ‘relationships’, through the types of experiences that have already been talked about in the prior stage of this thread, including sexual abuse, exploitation, in different forms  (this is re-stated by the south node of Venus being in the 8th House Libra, and Venus in the 6th House). The Black Moon Lilith being in the 2nd House Aries, indicates that the recovery and healing of the original sexual natures needs to occur though the inner relationship to self, in order for the Soul to redefine itself and discover and embrace its sexual nature and needs, which would allow for the Soul to attract other types of partners which are capable of embracing the Soul’s desire nature and natural sexual orientations. Mars/Venus phase being in a Crescent phase square, and Mars-South Node ruler- forming a Disseminating square to Pluto 6th House Virgo, reflect that the Soul has tried to conform to consensus definitions and yet needs to embrace its inherent nature and needs and sense of identity and sexual identity in relationships, remaining apart from all types of intimate relationships which are not able to relate on these terms, instead of relating intimately through consensus patriarchal roles or relationship types in which the sexual nature of the Soul is concealed and humiliated.

The Soul has desired to recover the original experience of receiving tremendous amounts of attention and love and the integration experienced through sacred sexual initiation in natural times (Vesta 5th House Cancer square the nodes, the south node of Vesta in the 9th House Sagittarius square the Moon). Along many lifetimes, this desire has been a causal factor in creating crises, situations in which the Soul has received the desired levels of attention and acclaim, and at same time its own sexual nature has been distorted or transgressed in some very intense ways. The south node of Vesta is conjunct Saturn, which also inconjuncts Vesta, and Mars. The south node of Vesta is also conjunct the south node of Uranus, and Lucifer, all in the 9th House Sagittarius. This implies natural law of sacred sexuality being distorted patriarchally through the co-optation and deviation of the original natural forms and rituals being a source of unresolved trauma because of the extremes involved in these deviations: Saturn is the 11th House ruler, it is conjunct the south node of Uranus, and is trine to Uranus and sextile Chiron in Aquarius. Saturn is ruled by Jupiter in the 8th House Libra which is the ruler of the 10th House cusp. Saturn is also the focal point of a Yod with Moon 1st House Pisces and Ceres 7th House Virgo. Uranus is also inconjunct the Moon-the 5th House ruler, and the Moon is First Quarter sesquisquare Neptune in the 8th House Scorpio. These symbols correlate with experiences of witnessing the imposition of patriarchal power and patriarchal cults over original matriarchy by means of sexual violence over women, being exposed to the violence and distortions of sexual abuses including ritualized violence over women in order to dis-empower women and alienate the children from their connections with mothers and female forms of authority and knowledge.
Asteroid Adonis is in the 9th House, in Scorpio. It forms a grand trine with the Moon in the 1st House Pisces and Vesta in the 5th House Cancer, and is square the 6th House Leo Uranus. Ganymedes is in the 8th House Libra, conjuncting the North Node/Jupiter/Mars north node, and exactly inconjunct the 3rd House Mars. Dionysos is in the 12th House Aquarius, Crescent square to Mars, trine Jupiter in the 8th House Libra and trine the north node of Mars in the 4th House Gemini. The myths of Ganymedes, Dyonisos and Adonis involve being detached from the original environment or mothers and/or being born and/or reborn through extraordinary means, ie. being reborn into new sets of beliefs though ecstatic means. Pallas 6th House Leo trine the South Node and square Mars also reflects this types of crises with several manifestations including not knowing what to believe or what to think, based on a duality of the experiences involved in being given the desired acclaim but in ways that imply humiliation and distortions of what is natural. Also correlate with being born to new beliefs/thoughts system of patriarchal nature.

These symbols suggest experiences of being found special and being chosen to participate in patriarchal sexual religious cults that tried to mimic or reproduce the original connection with nature which had been lost, translating in a pursue of sexual ecstasy through means compounding the use of alcohol, stimulants and hallucinogenic plants inducing frenzy, orgiastic sex creating massive stimulation, and violence connected to sacrifice and death. They also suggest being a chosen victim in these contexts, ie. availing the prerogatives of a chosen divine king who is however destined to sacrificial death. These types of sexual rituals involved groups of people in which women were dominated and abused, or groups of men embracing homosexual pedophile desires with young boys. The chosen victims were treated as divine kings and were invested with the desire of the whole group because of their ‘beauty’, and taught they would find resurrection upon the sacrificial death which would occur in midst of intense sexual stimulation (asteroid Lust is also conjunct the south node or Uranus, squaring the Pluto/Sun conjunction in the 6th House Virgo).  

Thus, the desires reflected in Vesta square the nodes to recover sacred experiences of natural sexual communion has also been compounded with the need to recreate a series of unresolved traumas, some of these traumas based on sexual ‘specialness’ translating in being victimized through unnatural and distorted practices based on patriarchal cosmologies. At same time, the witnessing or involvement in different forms of abuse, violation and disempowerment of women, fuels the desire to propose itself as a propitiatory ‘victim’, in ways which are a reflection of the distorted patriarchal cults and the confusion resulting from this co-option of natural rites by patriarchal beliefs and institutions. This of course relates to some of the reasons why the sexual healing and re-alignment with natural sexual nature needs to occur though relationship with self (Vesta applies to the South Node), and being important to self, and love self, instead of needing to be sexually important to or acclaimed by an external lover. Thus, the Soul needs to provide itself by own means the types of sexual experiences that promote a deeper connection with sensation body, leading to a penetration of the emotional body, as a way of integrating the male/female polarities from within as they naturally are, and embracing inherent androgyny.


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Linda on Feb 21, 2012, 02:32 AM
MICHAEL JACKSON


Sexuality Signature


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In the 3rd stage Individuated evolutionary condition, MJ was a truly unique and gifted Soul who was open to all possibilities and diversities of life.  Being an androgynous Soul, he mentally entertained openness to all kinds of sexual possibilities.  This original orientation allowed for an ever-increasing expansion of his consciousness toward the Universal.  Each moment of MJ’s life was like a canvas waiting to be painted, or unchartered territory waiting to be explored in all possible directions.  He lived a brilliant, stunning and dramatic life, and was labelled weird, eccentric and even bizarre.  He desired that his feminine nature operate through his art to create novelty, richness and beauty.  He desired to transmute gross sexuality by releasing the untapped feminine.  MJ came from the social struggles of a working class black family.  He was described as sensitive and vulnerable with a tendency to withdraw into a fantasy world.  As a child star, he was highly creative.  Since he was not tarnished with a normal upbringing, his creative genius was allowed to expand unhindered and unconstrained.  At a very young age he basically did not have the freedom necessary for his sexual development to proceed in a normal way.  


Sexual Orientation

MJ’s multidimensional sexuality was the subject of much speculation, described in any number of ways:  androgynous, asexual, gay, bi-sexual, gender queer, erotic identity disorder, homosexual hebephile, autogynephilia, impotent, masturbatory, autoerotic.  If any or all of these classifications are accurate, then this extreme ‘anything goes’ orientation can be attributed to the androgynous orientation of Moon Pisces 1st, 4th house ruled by Mercury, Mars Taurus 3rd, Venus Leo 6th conj Uranus.  These archetypes speak of extremes, uniqueness, diffusion, mutability, changeability, experimentation and self-denial.  MJ’s ideas of sex and relationships were not fully developed (South Node 2nd, Mars Taurus 3rd, SNs of Venus-Mars conj North Node), however the current life evolutionary need was to re-live past life relationship dynamics exposing the extreme imbalances and inequalities in his sexual dynamics.  Since he was naturally self-effacing, he would play right into the hands of very critical and judgmental people, thus feeling victimized.  The submerged victimization would make him sacrifice his own needs to his partner.  Distorted current life relationships ended for any number of reasons, such as:  playing a subservient role where he was dominated by the partner;  promoting the partner’s needs instead of his own;  a dominant partner playing back his reality to him leading to emotional control.  These possible scenarios created feelings of self-doubt and inadequacy leading to the necessity for self-analysis which would then bring self-knowledge and adjustment of the relationship dynamics (Mars-North Node ruled by Venus Leo 6th).  With Moon sesqu Neptune-Jupiter 8th, his sensitivity and vulnerability were exaggerated when it came to his ‘performance’ with partners.


MJ stylists talk about his sexuality  
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Puer Archetype

Puer aeternus is Latin for eternal boy, used in mythology to designate a child-god who is forever young; psychologically it refers to an older man whose emotional life has remained at an adolescent level. The puer typically leads a provisional life, due to the fear of being caught in a situation from which it might not be possible to escape. He covets independence and freedom, chafes at boundaries and limits, and tends to find any restriction intolerable. – Wikipedia

Is it possible that, sexually, MJ thought of himself as a pubescent boy hence his sexual and emotional development becoming frozen during those formative years?  MJ’s transits at age 11 reveal a Mars Return, Prog Moon Leo 5th, T-Neptune opp Mars, Prog Asc 0 deg Aries, T-Chiron conj Eros, T-Saturn opp Adonis, and T-Neptune squ Dionysus.  The inability to grow beyond this point would have lead to an asexual orientation.  MJ maintained that his preference for the company of children was an innocent expression of affection.  The mass media saw this as a dangerous obsession and speculated about sexual addiction to young boys.  After the lawsuit, MJ continued with this controversial behaviour.  With Venus being such a prominent archetype, his NN of Venus Leo 5th is a reasonable explanation for his liking for children.  He endeavoured to heal his patriarchal wounds (NN of Venus conj NNs of Vesta-Saturn) and his skipped steps (Vesta Cancer 5th ruled by Moon Pisces 1st):  the unresolved issues of insecurity, regression into boyhood, and the malformation of his self-image.  By pulling his energies back from others, working in solitude, and trusting his instincts (2nd) he had been able to resolve the skipped steps by supplying his inner needs thus bringing about self-renewal of the inner child.  He extended his inner healing to a spiritual commitment to heal children (NNs of Jupiter-Pluto-Saturn-Vesta-Venus 5th).  With Moon Pisces ruling his 5th house, the patriarchal mass media really could not fathom MJ’s pure intentions (or naiveté).  


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Dionysus 26 deg Aquarius (conj Chiron 12th, trine North Node-Jupiter, squ Mars, opp Mercury) — Unbounded instinct, disorder, intoxication, whimsy, mental confusion.  An inspiration to artists, philosophers and writers.  A symbol of the fundamental, unrestrained aesthetic principle of force, music, and intoxication.

Eros 4 deg Aries (semisq Chiron) — Vitality, passion, adventure, spontaneity.  Eros can refine the unconscious instinctual sexual drive and use the erotic energy to illuminate and energize relationships and creative work.

Adonis 11 deg Scorpio (squ Uranus, trine Moon) — Physical beauty, youth, vanity.  Extreme physical attractiveness is apparent in the Adonis Complex which refers to a body image obsession with improving one's physique and youthful appearance.

Icarus 15 deg Sag 9th (conj Saturn, squ Moon, trine Venus-Uranus) —
Liberation, diving ahead into new situations, dangerous path to freedom.  Icarus points to the necessity of maintaining self-discipline and mindfulness during free flight to avoid extremes which result in disaster.

Narcissus 24 deg Sag conj MC (trine Mercury) — Renowned for his beauty. He was exceptionally proud, in that he disdained those who loved him.  Narcissus saw his own reflection in the waters of a pond and fell in love with it, not realizing it was merely an image.  Unable to leave the beauty of his reflection, Narcissus died.

Pan 11 deg Gemini 3rd (t-squ Asc/Dsc, opp Lucifer, squ Moon) — Famous for his sexual powers, often depicted with a phallus, companion of the nymphs, rustic music.

Peter Pan, the boy who could not ever grow up, is a character created by Scottish novelist and playwright J.M. Barrie. A mischievous boy who can fly and who never ages, Peter Pan spends his never-ending childhood adventuring on the small island of Neverland as the leader of his gang the Lost Boys, interacting with mermaids, Native Americans, fairies, pirates, and occasionally ordinary children from the world outside of Neverland.
 

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His Soul created all of these dynamics because he was in a transitional phase in preparation for entering the social world as an equal (Pluto Virgo 6th).  His sexual/love nature came under the influence of this transitional Virgo archetype.  His overly egocentric self-focus and self-isolation was being channeled into human relationships (North Node Libra).  As part of the grooming process, many aspects of his love/sexual nature needed to be brought to culmination, so that the new evolutionary desires could be set into motion (North Node conj NN of Chiron ruled by Venus conj NN of Neptune).  The transition from the South Node to the North Node describes a concentration on self but with a necessity to learn co-operation with others.  Not being able to express stereotypical sexuality, he instead transmuted to a higher expression of Neptunian love by generously giving of himself and thus gaining the vicarious love he dreamed of by fulfilling his mission to the world.  Therefore, his main love interests would have been the public itself (Moon squ Saturn), his children, all children, scattered with karmic relationships.


PLUTO
Sexual encounters, experiences, and partners


The EA bottom line dynamics for MJ’s sexuality signature describes imbalance but also fruition in relationship dynamics (SNs of Venus-Mars conj North Node Libra 8th, ruler Venus Leo 6th bals Pluto, Mars ruled by Venus).  In terms of masochism, there had been a need for crisis associated with powerlessness and humiliation, and in terms of sadism, a need for crisis associated with the misuse of power and domination (Mars 3rd inconj North Node and SN of Mars, SN of Mars sext Venus).   The crises that MJ had undergone were all necessary in order to induce the evolutionary lesson of humility, allowing him to grow into a spiritual being through a process of inner metamorphosis. Fulfilling the role of service to others would transform the egocentric, selfish, deluded patterns from the past.  


PPP

Needless to say, MJ had leaned heavily toward left-brain processes.  The intention of the PPP was to develop the right brain intuitive function.  It was imperative that he learn to go deeper into the meaning of universal laws which lay beneath all the information that he had collected (Mars Taurus 3rd).  The PPP demanded a quietening of the mind and the development of intuition in order to bring understanding of underlying truths, so that he could come to a holistic view of himself and life rather than the endless collection of facts which tended to bring confusion, not clarity.  For this reason he needed to align with a philosophical, spiritual or metaphysical system that he could connect with.  The ruler of his PPP, Neptune Scorpio 8th, meant evolution through the emotional body.  The deep inner aloneness that MJ felt reflected an unresolved spiritual need (Pisces polarity).  He needed to align with a spiritual system defined through the principles of compassion, love, gentleness, kindness.  This would bring a deep self-acceptance that would attract positive changes and bring solutions to his life.  


South Node

In order to induce the evolutionary lesson of humility, service and self-improvement, in past lives Michael had closeted and insulated himself from the outside world.  His Soul desires were internalized and geared toward self-protection and self-sustainment due to the pressure to survive.  He had lived an internal sadomasochistic psychology with inner messages of intense self-criticism.  The inner urge for survival over many lifetimes resulted in becoming fixed and trapped into life circumstances that were geared for endurance at the expense of other aspects of his nature.  His frustrated physical needs were sublimated into the spiritual aspirations of his PPP thus becoming a group-of-one (widely conj Chiron).  


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MARS
Instinctual desire nature of the Soul


With Mars in the 3rd house, MJ was learning about himself through a process of expansion and contraction via a diversity of thoughts to satisfy his curiosity for learning and discovery.  With Mars squ Venus, resistance/expansion cycles would play out in his relationships.  With Venus conj Uranus meant a need to suddenly disengage, isolate himself, and retreat so that he could assimilate the meaning of the diversity of information collected and experiences created.  This placement characterizes a deep internalized focus, separateness, independence and resistance to the values of others.  Mars in Taurus is very earthy and physically oriented.  It encompasses the dynamics of sex as power, using others or being used as a sexual object, sexual addiction, or relationships that are based purely on sex.  Obviously these sexual dynamics limited to just the physical would lead to dissatisfaction, crisis and the need for adjustments through the North Node evolutionary intention for metamorphosis.
  
MJ’s 3rd house sexual dynamics correlate to restlessness and curiosity in seeking sexual experiences.  Brief and casual sexual encounters were based purely on physical self-gratification as he moved quickly to satisfy the physical at the expense of Soul connection with others.  There was ceaseless movement as he pursued many different ways to pleasure his body as a way to gain emotional security.  The transition from self-stimulation to true intimacy with others was a stressful process for MJ since all aspects to his Mars are squares and inconjuncts denoting crisis and stress, the only exception being Mars Quintile Asc which describes a quality of genius in fluidity of thought and physical movement.  Further, Mars formed a t-square with Chiron and Uranus-Venus-Pallas-Mercury, all in fixed signs.  In order to fulfil evolutionary intentions, his Soul focused on essential relationships from the past such as those with siblings.  The 3rd house ruled by Venus (conj Uranus) and the 4th house ruled by Mercury indicated that healing was necessary in family relationships.  

Since MJ’s Mercury was retrograde, many of his current life relationships were based on a re-live or recreation of past life dynamics.  With Mercury in balsamic phase to Pluto, he attracted all kinds of people, intimate and otherwise, who had been linked to his Soul’s prior lifetimes and with whom he had “unfinished business.”  It was essential that he withdraw from external expectations allowing him to uncover and express his essential uniqueness.  This re-live process would progressively reveal the actual truth inherent in his individuality and accelerate his evolutionary growth.  With Mercury Rx squ Mars (and Mars being the ruler of Venus), the main way MJ approached others  was through the intellect.  Therefore, his relationships were considered anything but normal, but in terms of Natural Lilith conj the SNs of Venus-Mars, uniqueness was a natural expression.  Other symbols of eccentricity and uniqueness are the retrograde archetypes of Eros Aries 1st, the SNs of Pallas-Juno Aries 1st, Chiron Aquarius 12th, as well as the Nodes themselves being Rx.    


“He is living a walking, breathing, eternal masquerade of escape from who he really is versus who he wants to be.  I think this has occurred because he never went through the normal pubescent mental developmental growth process because he was a child star robbed of a childhood and also robbed of puberty.  As such his identity was never formed.”
– A. Valkyrie


1st house    

MJ needed to act upon his unconscious desires (Pisces Asc ruled by Neptune Scorpio 8th) through imagination, fantasy and purity.  Imaginative and creative energy was channeled into his work whereby he created imagined realities or illusions.  He had a natural love of the sensual body, viewing it as artwork.  Based upon his own self-judging and self-critical nature, deviating from the artificial code of purity would cause a deep, permeating guilt within his unconscious.  Anger motivated by guilt produced a masochistic pathology.  MJ’s desire to be “pure” caused him to repress behaviours associated with natural laws (Moon squ Saturn).  Unrestrained retreat into a fantasy world would lead to cataclysmic events that would induce lessons in self-honesty.  He believed that plastic-surgery would create a nice image, but to others this appeared to be weird, naïve and unrealistic.  He did not believe that his natural beauty was acceptable, and because he felt so imperfect and damaged, he tried many times to sculpt his face into a pleasing image, so as to gratify a narcissistic society.  The botched face jobs left him feeling emotionally devastated, disillusioned and humiliated as they recreated the trauma of being ‘different’ all over again (SN of Neptune Aquarius 11th).  With Neptune ruling the Moon and the 1st house, he experienced crisis/fear around sexual profanity generating guilt/atonement dynamics, and this was amplified through the Moon sesqu Jupiter-Neptune 8th.  This fear of intimacy could have resulted in periods of celibacy and the harnessing of sexual energy into his creative work.  He experienced the power of the Divine through transmuting gross sexual expression.      


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VENUS
Sexual needs, values, orientations


MJ’s Soul desired absolute creative self-actualization through conscious narcissism because he was fully aware of his creative gift (Venus Leo 6th).  Since his Venus conjuncts Mercury it was important that he be acknowledged as special by others through supportive communication (Mercury), and that he support others in the same way.  Not receiving a positive response would cause feelings of unworthiness and manifest intense emotional withdrawal or emotional dramas of a melodramatic nature.  Making others feel good and special came through in his performances and contributed to his success.  In his personal relationships his need to be considered special and loved at all times was never quite satisfied as he created repeated crisis that generated self-humiliation.  MJ related inwardly to himself in self-analytical and critical ways.  He desired to align with his actual inner reality as opposed to egocentric illusions or delusions.  These desires generated an inner emptiness, an existential void, of being very small and alone.  In contrast with the god-like status of Venus in Leo, forever comparing himself to impossibly high standards of belief, he never felt good enough or perfect enough.  Through real humility he was able to deflect any excessive personal acclaim.  The pathology of masochism created diverse forms of crisis, always leading to analysis and then to self-knowledge.  It meant being attracted to abusive people and submerging his needs to them reflecting an inner feeling of guilt, emotional wounding, and being undeserving to receive or be acknowledged.  Deep inner abuse would result in self-undermining activities that would bring humiliation and defeat.  To keep the deep inner abyss of aloneness and suffering at bay he would keep busy in the workaholic syndrome, keeping his left-brain constantly engaged.  Sexually, he was wired to please and serve his partners embodying the archetype of slave and master.  He would experience vicarious fulfillment through the sexual satisfaction of his partners, and could be a master of sexual technique.  He could also be asexual because of the deep unconscious guilt attributed to suppressing the natural sexual function.  With Mars in the 3rd and Venus in the 6th, he had a strong mental orientation to the sexual act which lead to more intense forms of sexual stimulation as a way of getting out of his head, and more into his body.  Venus in Virgo embodies the extremes of asexuality to full engagement.  The dynamic sex appeal he generated when performing seemed to desert him in the real world with real people.  

Venus conj Mercury-Uranus points to an androgynous and bisexual nature.  This meant that he was sexually versatile, adventurous and open to all sexual possibilities.  He had an attraction to oral forms of sexuality.  A strong mental orientation created a kind of voyeurism whereby he could learn about himself and others as sexual beings.  This orientation also meant sexual frustration since he was forever in observation mode instead of being totally engaged.  MJ’s love nature was heavily influenced by thought that induced feeling reactions.  He found it very difficult to get out of his head.  He understood how others were feeling by approaching them through his intellect.  Venus conj Uranus made him feel different, alienated or estranged.  Since he felt totally disconnected, it is possible that MJ rebelled against everything that the consensus symbolized, preferring to lead a solitary, detached life as a group-of-one.  He had a need to engage in sexual experiments in order to discover who he naturally was.  These experiments could be considered bizarre from the point of view of the consensus.  Living in his head could have promoted an asexual response to sexuality.  Similar to Mercury’s voyeurism, Venus conj Uranus gave an observational and detached quality to sexual energy.  It meant unpredictability – from constant sex to no sex.  For a lot of the time it had been necessary that he separate himself from his peer group in order to discover what his specific individuality was all about, thus allowing him to become more aligned within his own individual reality.  As MJ’s fame, wealth and isolation from his family increased, he developed an ongoing fascination with those identified as outsiders, outcasts, and freaks of nature.  Individual meaning meant being part of a larger social group of shared values, therefore he chose with whom he would be in intimate relationships with.  With Moon inconj Venus he was de-conditioning by changing how he saw himself from within, his self-image.  Any attachment to images of who he thought he was would need to be released so as to free himself from those limited perspectives.  Emptying out the unnecessary unconscious baggage and culminating relationships would become essential since his Venus was balsamic in relation to Pluto.  All unfinished business and patterns of development would be recreated so that culmination could take place.  He was de-conditioning his intellectual database and everything it held regarding old ideas about relating to himself and others.  He needed friends of like-mind to sustain his individual values.  Some of his friends were the biggest names in Hollywood:  

Elizabeth Taylor, who was also a child star, became godmother to two of his children.  Elizabeth said:  “Our childhoods are very similar, and we had that from the very beginning in common. I was a child star at nine, had an abusive father, and that kind of brought us together.”  

Diana Ross who helped propel the Jackson 5 to stardom, was guardian to his three children (after his mother).  That friendship was something of a motherly love on Ross' part and an idolization from MJ.  “Diana Ross, very dear friend Diana Ross,” he said when asked who he considered to be his closest friends.  “She is the kind of person, I can tell her anything, the most private of secrets.  And she tells me her secrets as well.”

Another friend was Mark Lester child star of the music film Oliver.  Mark said:  “We have so much in common. We were both thrust into the spotlight at a very early age. If you haven't experienced that, it's impossible to fully understand.”  


Venus square Mars

Who was MJ in terms of his sexual nature?  His conscious desire nature (Mars, ruler of South Node) together with the inner and outer disposition of his love nature (Venus, ruler of his North Node) meant a crisis in action with choices to be made (Venus 1st qtr squ Mars).  He was questioning exactly what form he would take and how to build upon the foundation that he had already built.  His Soul had evolved into fundamental courage to stand apart from everyone else and to wilfully assert his own values.  However, in this phase there had been an inherent crisis of a fear of forming relationships with others in general.  This sheds light on the mystery of MJ’s sexuality.  Whenever he formed a relationship, he felt a loss of individuality.  Engagement with others was punctuated by fearful disengagement.  With each new relationship came expansion but also a need for isolation.  With the SNs of Venus-Mars conj the North Node, had he perhaps experienced too many indiscriminate sexual contacts in the past that had been based purely on using others as a sex object, or allowing others to use him in this way?  After purely physical sex had taken place, had he avoided further involvement due to inherent fears of loss, betrayal or abandonment?  He had revisited key karmic relationships in this lifetime in order to honour the karmic law of sexuality that binds people over many lifetimes.  He was learning new ways of being in relationships and creating new understandings of himself through the information and perspectives of others.  Mars inconj the North Node reflected a need to evolve beyond the fear of pre-existing limitations by initiating actions for self-discovery and growth to occur.  Yet his 8th house desires for security and familiarity created conflict and crisis with the new impulses of Mars.


Balsamic Leo planets

A whole cycle was ending relative to Uranus-Mercury-Venus-Pallas in balsamic conj to Pluto, and the new cycle had not yet begun.  Many karmic aspects of his love/sexual nature were resolving and culminating in the current life.  These planets in the balsamic phase generated immense disillusionment as each relationship was dissolved in the old cycle.  He had driven himself to exhaustion to keep serving his fans and the world, yet needed to attend to a deeper spiritual need to detach and alienate himself from society so that he could become introverted and ponder transcendental principles.  Towards the end of his career, just after being dragged into court, he projected transcendental meaning onto himself which of course resulted in massive disillusionment (Leo planets in balsamic phase to Pluto).  


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Chiron Aquarius 12th

Chiron Aquarius 12th correlates to memory imprints around experiences of delusion, illusion, fears, phobias, trauma, leading to massive crisis (ruler Uranus Leo 6th).  These experiences revolved around duplicity in relationships (Mars t-squ Chiron and Venus) and point specifically to the wound of sexualizing a relationship with a sibling.  This relationship had generated secrecy, lies and crippling guilt.  Could it be that the suppressed guilt and denial from that past life relationship needed to be released, healed and culminated?   This could account for MJ’s apparent lack of relationships due to self-punishment and atonement dynamics.   These wounding experiences from angles of wounder/wounded hold the greatest potential for healing of those wounds transforming consciousness and facilitating holistic integration and healing for himself and others.  MJ also endeavoured to heal others by literally taking on their suffering through compassion and offering mental healing through communication of higher ideals.  

Michael Jackson - Earth Song (the last song of his life)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAi3VTSdTxU


PLANETARY PAIRS
Development of sexual themes across lifetimes


Pluto/Mars cycle approaching a square in the disseminating phase.  The Soul is preparing for another key evolutionary development – to move away from the consensus toward the universal – therefore preparing to rebel against the consensus to reflect this expansion.  

Pluto/Venus cycle balsamic phase.  The Soul understanding itself in the context of the Divine and the corresponding expansion of consciousness.  Letting go of all that has come before that hinders this attunement.  An active state of reflection that allows for a complete awareness of all the dynamics responsible for the types of realities that the Soul has created.  MJ was evolutionarily required to continue living his Venus dynamics.


ASTEROIDS
Juno-Ceres-Vesta-Pallas
 

The SN of Juno Aries 1st was telling MJ to redefine his relationships in a new way by ceasing to participate in the outmoded relationship roles.  He needed independence and a partner with whom to share his passions and visions through a meeting of minds.  This soul desire was carried out in the current life (Juno conj Sun-Pluto) through an intense process of crisis, self-analysis and adjustment in relationship patterns.  While MJ’s father had been an ill-tempered womanizer who used corporal punishment to discipline his children, his mother had been devoutly religious, creating inequality and the powerless battered wife and abused children syndrome (Juno conj Sun opp Moon).  The NN of Juno Virgo 7th exactly conjunct Ceres (mother-child relationship) would bring a redefinition and healing of relationship patterns.  This aspect could possibly refer to relationships with older woman, mother-types, such as Elizabeth Taylor, Diana Ross and Liza Minnelli who cared greatly for MJ.  He had also relied heavily upon the emotional support of dermatology nurse Debbie Rowe who he married and two years later divorced.  MJ received full custody of their two children (SN of Ceres Scorpio 9th, SN of Ceres ruled by Pluto, NN of Ceres Cancer 4th).  Irrespective of whether these were his biological children, the NN of Pluto Cancer 5th meant having to work upon issues in relation to his children who were his children in a past life (SN of Vesta Sag 9th, Vesta Cancer 5th, NN of Vesta Cancer 5th).  His Vesta skipped steps (Vesta squ Nodes, SN of Vesta Sag 9th conj MC, NN of Vesta conj NN of Saturn Cancer 5th) revolving around charges of child abuse would need to be recovered through the SN Aries 2nd.  Having been molded into a child star, MJ’s identity was cemented into that of an adolescent boy.  There came a period of time (around the court cases) when he was no longer idolized (SN of Vesta conj Saturn).  He needed to start acting as a mature adult (NN of Saturn Cancer 5th) to handle the charges laid against him so that the childish behaviours could be reversed.  

The balancing of male-female polarities within the psyche and the movement toward an androgynous orientation contributed much uncertainty as to MJ’s sexual identity (Pallas).  Mars last qtr squ Pallas demanded that he question all beliefs underpinning prior actions that would unblock and allow the sexual creative energy up the central spinal canal (and not out through the sexual organs), manifesting intelligence, a creative mind, and artistic achievements in the world.  The thrust of MJ’s sexual energy was expressed and utilized in formulating new visions, forms and structures in the arts (SN Pallas Aries 1st, Pallas Leo 6th, NN of Pallas Virgo 7th).  His daughter Paris’ relationship with her mother was sacrificed so that the father-daughter relationship could be healed, Paris having been a child of his from a past life (Pallas ruled by Pluto).  Similarly the crisis of MJ’s father complex with Joseph had led to the disintegration of normal family structures separating him from normal childhood development.


North Node

MJ’s sexual energy needed release otherwise emotional distortions and trauma would result (Venus-Uranus Leo squ Mars, Moon inconj Venus-Uranus).  The strength of MJ’s instinctive sexual magnetism, coupled with his evolutionary purpose to serve others, would lead him to unlock the depths of his emotions through evolving beyond his limitations (8th).  The Soul desire was total connection with others via the North Node Libra 8th.  Mars gib inconj North Node conj SNs of Mars-Venus brought fundamental emotional fears of betrayal, loss and abandonment that impacted his ability to trust others which lead to constant searching for answers through psychoanalyzing himself and others.  At some point MJ started becoming conscious of his underlying motivations and intentions bringing a desire to purge separating desires.  Personal resurrection had a transforming effect on MJ, which in turn had a transformational effect on the world.  If indeed he did have sexual relationships then they were oriented toward the head rather than the heart (NN of Mars Gemini 4th ruled by Mercury opp Chiron ruled by Uranus) with re-surfacing experiences of delusion, phobia, duplicity, trauma and crisis.  These traumatic experiences would relate to the sexualization of a sibling relationship in a past life (Mars t-squ Venus and Chiron).

In order to understand the actual reality of his sexual desires, his Soul created essential crisis in the area of relationships that resulted in a need to withdraw and isolate himself in order to undertake self-analysis.  The challenge was to cease treating himself and others as sexual objects and to focus with precision upon the correct information that would consistently bring humility and healing to his relationship dynamics.  The SN of Mars conj the North Node 8th correlated to a soul desire to actualize karmic intentions through a variety of relationships, by learning new ways of being in relationships, and the karmic law of sexuality that bonds people over many lifetimes.  Many of his relationships with or without sexual contact had been relatively brief and without follow-up due to the cardinal energy, and came from a rather superficial mind-set.  To find that emotional depth, he would need to unlock his Vesta skipped steps (Vesta ruled by Moon Pisces ruled by Neptune Scorpio 8th) so that true metamorphosis and evolution could take place.  MJ’s transformational energies and the transmission of love could literally transform his audiences.  These lyrics beautifully describe the transition from South Node isolation to North Node intimacy:


“I'm starting with the man in the mirror
I'm asking him to change his ways
And no message could have been any clearer
If you wanna make the world a better place
Take a look at yourself and then make that change”


MJ needed to complete key relationships from the past that had been sexualized and where an exchange of karma had taken place.  Many of these relationships had been initiated in order to fill the void of utter aloneness, or to fulfill the needs of a partner without honouring his own needs.  With Moon Pisces ruled by Neptune conj North Node, and Venus in Leo, the compassionate, poetic and romantic side of MJ’s Soul attracted one-sided relationships.  Because he had lost sight of his own needs, instinctively people had projected their needs and expectations onto him thus creating sadomasochistic conditions of imbalance and inequality.  He became overwhelmed and confused, and anger was projected onto others.  Therefore the evolutionary lesson in the current life was to learn to honour his instinctive nature, and the need to be absolutely alone, or to interrelate with others, as the need may be, without guilt or apology.  


Conclusion

Being an androgynous soul, he played around with gender roles because he could not see the barriers (Moon Pisces 1st).  With Moon inconj Venus-Uranus, Moon opp Ceres-Cupido, and Moon squ Saturn-Lucifer he had suffered from a persecution complex (originating in childhood from an abusive father).  This would have attracted relationships based on inequality and sadomasochism.  Becoming famous, wealthy and powerful could have caused him to over-estimate his importance thus generating delusions of grandeur due to excessive pride (Leo).  This would have lead to a need for the partner to prop up his ego or act as alter ego.  Moon opp Cupido 7th correlates to the main barrier that MJ erected between himself and prospective love interests due to his feelings of vulnerability.  He was essentially unobtainable as a partner because of being so wrapped up in a narcissistic contemplation of himself.  He was elusive, ethereal and inaccessible:  that was a way of keeping prospective love interests at bay, or controlling them (North Node Libra 8th conj Neptune).  


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Thanks to Rad and all ~


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Rad on Feb 21, 2012, 01:02 PM
Hi Linda, Cat, Gonzalo, Mirta, and Kristin

I have now read through all of your analysis's of the sexual signature of Michael Jackson. All of you have done excellent EA work, and thank you for taking the time to do so. I am posting my individual comments for each of you below.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Rad on Feb 21, 2012, 01:11 PM
Hi Kristin,

You have done an exceptional EA analysis of the sexual signature within the birth chart of Michael Jackson.
You have made an observation about the possibility of Jackson being Farinelli in a recent past life. The answer is YES. I will post Farinelli birth chart within synastry bi-wheel attached to this post. I am also posting a biography of him that I found on Wikipedia.

Here is what stood out for me in your analysis:

Michael has all of the symbols, apart from being castrated as a form of punishment, to being castrated to preserve his voice, a castrati, in another life. I am not necessarily saying he was Farinelli, although their lives were notably similar and this occurred in Italy being an Aires line, Michael has a South node in Aries. Libra is also part of this cardinal axis and Michael has South Nodes of Mars and Venus in Libra in the 8th conjunct his North Node and with the South Node in the 2nd (music) ruler being Mars in the 3rd (voice) in Taurus (music) and this squares Uranus and Venus, the ruler of his Mars, this suggests he also had a life where this occurred. His voice or the preservation of this soft childlike higher pitched tone in this life feels to me also to be a carry over from a life as a castrati. Many of the castrati were born into poor families ( unlike  Farinelli’s family who were well to do). I can see how Joe Jackson may have also been a father in another time who had Michael castrated not necessarily as a form of punishment but to preserve his voice in order for financial gain for the family.

For Michael, it felt that most of his sexual practices were left on the dance floor as he clutches his crotch in an instinctual way, a form of self masturbation, performing and sexual expression for the world to see. A sort of “this is mine’ gesture after the prior trauma in being castrated in a recent life and the SAFETY that the stage provided for him. There is also something about all the eyes on him while he grabs himself. The desire to be watched, a from of voyeurism is a Taurean phenomenon seen with his South Node in Aries in the second, ruler Mars in the 3rd, squaring Venus and Uranus in Leo. The Aquarian signature in combination with this Taurean expression is  observed as he is removed from his audience and alone in this act, ie no one is touching him back -you can look but they cannot touch. This becomes a sexual thrill, a grounding yet exciting rush but also a SAFE expression of his sexuality as he said the stage is the only place he feels safe and at home. Michael's South Node in Aries in the 2nd house, ruler Mars in Taurus in the 3rd reflects a glorification of the phallus and a need for self touch and in his Leo way almost a celebration of it on stage. He would also need to masturbate regularly whenever the instinct calls in order to ground himself and create more inner stability and to keep the chi flowing so to speak. He is male and he is female on that stage and his moves and his voice reflects this androgyny. He is male and he is female on that stage and his moves and his voice
reflects this androgyny.

Michael's PRIMARY sexual orientation was with himself: masturbation and even 'experimenting' with different and unusual ways to make himself 'release' seen again with his South Node in Aries, ruler Mars in Taurus in the 3rd house squaring Venus and Uranus in Leo. Also his South Nodes of Mars and Venus although they are in Libra, their ruler is in Leo and this conjuncts Uranus and squares Mars, the ruler of his South Node. Perhaps this was his way of attempting to reconnect all of the inner working circuits that were severed in other times. But also it was his way of attempting to re-empower himself because of lives where sex lead to traumatic and severe consequences such as castration as well as lives when personal and total humiliation occurred when asked to do things that were not pure or natural.

I feel there also would have been a very curious little boy side of him sexually as a child would as he enters puberty if he wanted to experiment and try on many hats with the ruler of his South Node in Aries being Mars in the 3rd. Perhaps there were even games in the mix as if the bedroom was more like a playground with the ruler of his Mars in Taurus being Venus in Leo. What he needed most however was simply TO BE HELD without sexual intent by another..to be held like a child held by his mother without anyone forcing themselves on him in any way for this would have caused him to freeze, detach and shutdown see with his Uranus and Venus conjunct in Leo squaring Mars, his South Node ruler. Also this Uranus and Venus conjunction opposing Chiron in Aquarius. Any forced sexual act coming at him would have triggered all of the sexual traumas of his past.

I also mentioned that Michael felt more acceptable as a female than he did as a male..and if you observe images of him from a boy to a man there is a progression of a black boy becoming a white female due to his reported skin condition called Vitiligo but this desire to be female again is seen in this progression. This influence may very well be connected also to his own experience not only being initiated by the vesta consort but by doing the initiating of boys entering manhood when he was a sacred Vesta consort himself. Because his Vesta is in Cancer in his 5th, in natural times this would have equaled initiating his own children and he clearly has carried this sacred imprint into this life. His Soul remembers and knows the power of the feminine, in particular the sacred sexuality of his roots. My feeling is in intimate situations,  as long as he felt TOTALLY SAFE and the environment was beautiful and clean, North Node in Libra conjunct his South Node of Mars and Venus in Libra, ruler Venus in Leo in the 6th, he would prefer the woman to take charge and 'act like a man' not only because he feels more feminine himself but also because of needing to let someone else lead for once due to the weight of the public pressure and responsibilities of his life.

Also his Mars in Taurus square Venus and Uranus could symbolize pre-mature ejaculation or the other extreme not being able to maintain an erection, especially if he does not feel SAFE. The trauma from recent lives reflected in the Mars T-square to Chiron, Uranus and Venus may have also created an inability to get emotionally close at all with anyone unless they were innocent children, animals or in some cases adults that were friends he felt he could trust as in Elizabeth Taylor. As far as intimacy with partners he may have also had a fear of being 'contaminated' due to being forced into sexually performing or sexually forced to do things in other lives not by his choosing

In fact, there were rumors about him not even having actual intercourse with his wives and using the ‘turkey baster’ method in order to have children.

As I read on to learn more about this marriage, it appears this was only a business arrangement so Michael could have children. There were rumors that the children were not even his and that a sperm donor was used. This would also not surprise me as some of the signatures in his chart can reflect a dehydration or fractured/broken sperm due to past life trauma, Mars in Taurus square Uranus and Venus in Leo, the ruler of this Mars in Leo or ‘slow swimmers’, not allowing him to have children of his own. Uranus also being the ruler of his Chiron in Aquarius which squares Mars on the other side.

Exception EA work Kristin. Bravo !

God Bless, Rad



Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Rad on Feb 21, 2012, 01:18 PM
Hi Mirta,

Your work on Jackson's sexual dynamics from an EA point of view was not as comprehensive as you have other done in the past. However, what you have presented is very accurate from an EA point of view, and is excellent work. You asked this question: "I wonder if his “sleeping with children” was an opportunity to live his sexual fantasy ?"

Yes

Here is what stood out for me:

SN in Aries in 2nd house conjunct SN Chiron in 2nd Taurus and ruled by Mars in Taurus suggests that the soul needed to shut down sexuality in order to survive, related to past lives of prostitution as a woman and a child, and that preexisting pattern still persist reaffirmed by trauma and guilt related to the former lives described with sexual relationships between siblings. Mars in 3rd house reflects this karmic condition that produces the arrest of the sexual development, which leads to a form of sexual infantilism remaining sexually immature as an adult. “The genital region. . . can be “frozen” because the nerves (Gemini) have become restricted. . . this can manifest as impotence”. (JWG, Pluto 2)

In former lives the Soul has been learning ways of being in relationships in order  to balance its need for independence with his need to be in relationship and understanding  the nature of its projections onto people (and vice versa), and  learning about sexual karma. But it lost sight of their own desires and needs, and many other people projected their needs and expectations onto it, who eventually became overwhelmed and confused, with regard to its own needs and desires.

However, it also focused its intense energy within itself in order to understand the nature of its desires, motivations and intentions; the nature of its emotional dynamics, anger, personal power and limitations. (SN of Mars in Libra in 8th house) In this life, with Mars in Taurus, BML and Eros in Aries the soul is trying to recover its individuality and a mature knowledge of the causes of its confusion (Mars PP in Scorpio conjunct Psyche, Grand Trine Vesta in 5th house and Moon conjunct Ascendant in Pisces; Mars inconjunct NN conjunct Jupiter and Neptune in Scorpio in 8th house, that are conjunct O. Lilith, SN Mars and Venus and NN Chiron).

In this process autoerotism can be an interface, and is reflected in Aries 2nd house with Resolution BML on it, and Eros in 1st house Aries conjunct SN of Juno and Pallas. In addition, the described possible difficulty in the ego constitution in the passage to acknowledging a separate love object can have left an adherence to an autoerotic phase. Furthermore, the chart shows a strong masturbatory tendency as a way to reconnecting with his individual independence and becoming self-reliant. (SN conjunct BML in 2nd, ruler Mars in Taurus, Venus in Leo).

Jung’s perspective about children’s sexual abuse was that it is a degenerative impairment of the necessary and healthy unfoldment of incestuous fantasy. Michael doesn’t look like an abuser (although it’s not easy to determine what constitutes abuse regarding children). I also see him innocent as Kristin says, even healing for children with his Vesta in 5th house Cancer trine Moon in Pisces and square Ceres in 7th house.

Vesta in 5th house Cancer skipped steps;and  Persephone in 5th house Leo conjunct Venus Uranus opposite Chiron; T- square Neptune and Hades in 2nd house Taurus conjunct SN of Chiron ; inconjunct Moon opposite Ceres; trine Saturn conjunct Lucifer; trine Eros; sextile SN Venus and conjunct NN Venus and Neptune in  Leo in 5th house, suggest that he was looking for the inner child not well differentiated from his mother and hook of her projections and unactualized desires; that it was his own inner child - injured and not allowed to be, snatched to him in the current life abuse and in prior lives prostitution - that he was seeking in his relationship with children.

Excellent EA work Mirta. Bravo !

God Bless, Rad







Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Rad on Feb 21, 2012, 01:31 PM
Hi Cat,

Your progression in understanding EA is wonderful to experience. There some parts of the analysis that were not correct. These are:

"He wasn't concerned with the psychological and emotional aspects of relationships and was focused solely on meeting his physical and sensual needs."

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No. There exists within a duality in which he did in fact care about the emotional and psychological aspects of sex when others actually meant something to him. On the other hand sex for sex sake also has defined him in which it was just a physical act to have happen and be done with. This duality is inherent to the 3rd House Mars in Taurus. The caring about the emotional content and psychological aspects to sex is symbolized by his 8th House N.Node, Jupiter, and Neptune.

The same duality also correlates to the fact that yes he enjoyed with sustained sex with those that he actually loved or cared about, and also correlates to utter detachment and quick sex with those that he did not. His Mars is square his Venus, Uranus and Mercury, as well as his Chiron in Aquarius.


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and

"In the end, although he desired to experiment with different types of sexuality, he repressed these desires and at the same time yearned to lose control of himself through sexual intercourse while releasing the tension through masturbation (Mars in Taurus). "

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In different lives he did not repress his desires at all, and in others, the most recent one’s, he has. In the most recent one’s he feared actual intercourse with others leading to his sole outlet: masturbation. And on the few occasions that he would have intercourse it also had to be linked to some sort of fantasy through which he could ignite his sexual energy.  He did have intercourse sporadically in those recent lives but only with those most trusted: trusted without any reservations whatsoever.

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Here is what stood our for me. Please not another correction that I made within this.

He possessed a natural sexual grace and beauty which resulted in others projecting their sexual fantasies upon him. He had a tendency to mirror his partner's sexual reality which caused his own sexual desires to be undeveloped or submerged. He attracted partners who expected him to act out their sexual reality which created a buildup of anger within him as these relationships were not based on sexual or emotional equality. He wanted to be loved and accepted for who he was, not as a fantasy figure. His desire for sexual role equality resulted in a bisexual orientation as there was a desire to balance his anima and animus. At the same time, he had a desire to merge and be absorbed into the essence of  his partners and thus himself. He wanted and needed to be gently and intensely touched by another.  He was fascinated with the mystery of sexual energy as it symbolizes both life and death and is a vehicle of self discovery to be explored in every way.  In addition, as with Pluto in the 6th House opposition Chiron in the 12th House, he was in need of sexual and emotional healing as he carried a deep inner wound within him.  At some point, with his SN in Aries in the 2nd House semi-sextile Mars in Taurus in the 3rd House, he began to instinctually sense the difference between profane and spiritual sexuality through his sexual experiences.

 With the SNR, Mars in Taurus in the 3rd House, Michael instinctually resisted accepting or adopting any value system other than his own in previous lives. He had a desire to challenge the limitation of gender roles which may have manifested as bisexual or homosexual desires. In addition, there were sexual issues in his past involving his parents and siblings resulting in arrested sexual development and sexual immaturity as an adult. Taurus on the 3rd house cusp is an indication of sex or flirtation with sibling.  As Kristin pointed out, and Rad verified, Michael had a series of lifetimes in which he had sexual relations with his sister and in which his father castrated him.  Again, he was oriented towards durational and sustained sexuality which was often accomplished through masturbation. He had to be mentally stimulated in order to be aroused and needed the help of sexual devices or aides in order to stay mentally engaged or he risked becoming bored.  His Mars in Taurus in the 3rd House, reflects a desire nature that seeks to use sexual energy as a vehicle for the metamorphosis of his emotional and psychological limitations. In order to become aware of his own emotional and psychological reality, and the needs that reflect that reality, he would create sexually confrontational situations that served to bring his emotional and psychological reality and needs into conscious awareness and focus.  His desire to explore and understand every type of sexual orientation and behavior was the underlying cause of this desire. Although he did not necessarily want to experience every type of sexual orientation or behavior, he desired to learn and understand as much as he could about sex and sexuality as he had a desire to obtain as much sexual knowledge as possible.  He had a strong and constant sexual nature as well as a strong instinctive physical and sexual magnetism which helped him attract the sexual experiences his soul needed in order to learn about the nature of sexual energy and the proper and improper use of it. He either focused on sex for its own sake, engaging in sexual relationships for stimulation only, separating body and emotions or experienced sex in a way that unlocks the depths of the emotions leading to the soul. In the second case, he would find sex to be unfulfilling if limited to just physical stimulation alone as there would be a desire for a soul connection. If this were the case, he had a desire to evolve from profane sex to sacred sex.

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His sexual energy was not constant. With mars squaring his Venus/Uranus/Mercury his energy could vacillate between beyond intense need to total evaporation with all possibilities in between.

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With his Pluto in Virgo in the 6th House, his sexual impulses and needs were very strong but he had a tendency to over analyze his natural urges resulting in him nuetralizing his natural sexual expression. He focused on what he lacked and attempted to fill his inner void buy keeping busy and channeling his sexual energy into his career and music (Pluto Conjunct Sun sextile Jupiter (Libra) and Neptune (Scorpio) in the 8th House. His music and performing before many people became a defacto sexual act.  “His greatest, most passionate, tempestuous and erotic love affair wasn’t with any individual woman or man, or any particular young boy or chimpanzee.  It was with the public. In a sense, Jackson’s sexuality was that of a consensual exhibitionist with the public as his bedazzled voyeurs.”  Michael experienced normal sex as lacking in some way and most of his life experienced an almost absolute lack of a sexual life with another person. Instead he created sexual imagery that excites mind and soul for the masses. He made love to this imagery on stage.  It manifested in the bedroom as well as a form of sexual sadism in which he made love to this imagery rather than his partner.  “"I am Peter Pan," he said, more than once. He lived in Neverland. His second wife, Debbie Rowe, said that in order to get in the mood to have sex with her, Jackson dressed up as Peter Pan and danced around the bedroom. She said: "It made him feel romantic."

With his NN in Libra in the 8th house, Michael Jackson came into this life with an intention and desire to merge with a partner in order to get closer to the source of his soul or God through the psychic release that is part of the sexual experience. The NN is in Libra indicating that this partner may have been his audience (many others). Michael had a strong sexual drive coupled with low self-esteem and a feeling that he was not attractive enough or appealing enough. This lack of self esteem inclined him to remain single most of his life as well as feel unloved. Due to his underlying insecurities he needed to feel very secure with an intimate partner in order to engage in intimate activities. It seems that he found such a partner in Lisa Marie Presley “ “Raised at her father's impregnable home, Graceland, she had much in common with the world's most famous pop star, cloistered away in Neverland.  Both had been sheltered from the real world, missed out on their childhoods and were mistrustful of outsiders. They believed they were soul mates...Presley admitted that at first, their sex life was sensual... Never before had he felt uninhibited and physically intimate with anyone.” In addition to his desire to merge with someone who made him feel safe and secure, he had a need and desire to unite his inner male and inner female (anima/animus) through sexual role equality which, with Libra involved, meant finding a partner who is as sensitive as he is.  His desire to unite his inner male and female parts manifested as what the public perceived as either homosexual, bisexual or androgynous tendencies. “Michael was often seen in dresses and other feminine attire.  He was practically a transvestite or at least, a modern-day dandy... from Thriller on, MJ’s makeup ontop of the plastic surgery and skin-bleaching got more and more extreme...  Jackson may have had a paraphilia clinically known as “autogynephilia,” sexual arousal at the idea of being a woman...he exhibited the diva/castrato style throughout his life.  Being a cross between male and female, the castrato can seem to be a kind of god, elevated above mere male or female humans.  But of course, the castrato is also a victim, a tragic child sacrifice on the altar of our entertainment.”

With his NNR,  Venus in Leo in the 6th House conjunct Uranus, Michael needed to learn to accept his sexual nature and liberate himself from the guilt association linked to his natural sexual desires.  This guilt was a by-product of lifetimes of patriarchal conditioning which made him feel inadequate relative to his gender role.  Michael was deep,  passionate and had a narcissistic orientation to sexuality with a high degree of focus on self pleasure. He was sexually creative especially in designing masturbatory practices that allowed for a deep intensity of psychological, emotional and physical sensation in order to renew and release his soul simulataneously.  He had a sadomasochistic orientation to sex and sexuality which manifested as an absolute denial of anything sexual and the lack of a sexual life with another person throughout most of his life. Although Michael was inclined to deny anything sexual in his personal life, he had a talent for creating sexual imagery that excites both the mind and the soul which he expressed through his music, dance and on-stage. In his personal life offstage, Michael was for the most part asexual due to an underlying fear of sexuality or being contaminated by others.  With Venus in Leo in the 6th house, Michael's passion for love and romance was channeled into his music and other creative pursuits. With Taurus on the 3rd House cusp Michael expressed his sexual thoughts and ideas through language in the form of lyrics and his songs. This is how he communicated his feelings and desires to others.

Amor opposition his Chiron in AQ in the 12th House shows that he found something more desirable than the love of an intimate partner and that was visiting and taking care of sick children. “To the world at large, his interest seemed odd, but not necessarily inappropriate. It was part of the way he seemed to shun the world in favour of a fantasy lifestyle.”  Although an honorable way of showing love, it is a distorted type of love that served to block or interfere with his ability to participate in a personal, fulfilling love relationship with another human being. It was a distorted type of love manifesting as a desire to be a compulsive caretaker of those who appeared weak in some way which helped compensate for his inner fear of lonliness. In addition, with Amor in Leo, it fed a need for constant adulation and assurances that his love was the ideal and highest type of love.  This unconditional giving of love and loving was a substitute for intimate love with a partner as with Amor conjunct Uranus which is conjunct Venus which is conjunct Mercury which is conjunct Pluto, he was liberated from the need to initiate close personal relationships with intimate partners as he believed this type of love is true, perfect and the ideal type of love.

Excellent EA work Cat. Bravo !

God Bless, Rad



Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Rad on Feb 21, 2012, 01:41 PM
Hi Gonzalo,

Your EA analysis of Jackson's sexual dynamics is excellent. The only adjustment I would make is one wherein you should make it more clear between certain prior lives in which the heavy orientation to various forms of s&m type sexuality, and the reasons for them and the current life. In the current life those heavy orientations to s&m does not apply. In fact, it is because of them, that he would have the opposite reaction to them in his current life: a total repulsion to any form of being sexually humiliated or degraded. Yes, those humiliations and degradations did occur in the public arena in the from of societal judgments, but not in his personal life. One of the reasons for his heavy orientation to auto-eroticism is to re-empower and heal himself from those past lives in which that sort of dynamic did play out.

Here is what stood out for me:

Aries in the 2nd House Cusp and the South Node in the 2nd House in Aries, reflect an intense and powerful sexual nature grounded at the physical level, the physical body, and an intense sensation nature, that will be triggering instinctual response, including sexual response, ie. an intense masturbatory nature which has the instinctual capacity to stimulate itself and intensify the sensation and the response to sensation, intensifying and concentrating the physical experience, and at same time creating a potential for movement, and a potential for self-discovery from within through the sexual energy and the experiences created through such vehicle. The sense of identity in relation with the sexual nature is intense, yet it is unformed (also the Moon in the 1st House being Pisces, and Pisces in the 1st House cusp, adding confusion).

The South Node in the 2nd House being in Aries correlates too with the Soul’s desire to integrate the instinctual sexual nature, in order to create a new way of relating to self based on this self-discovery. Because it is the 2nd House, prior patterns of relating to self sexually have existed along many lifetimes, which have dictated the need of a new way of relating to self. Because of all the 6th House, patriarchal conditioning, suppression and repression of the sexual nature has created distortions of this energy, and intense crises of sexual nature. Thus, the Soul desires to relate to self in a new way, to initiate a new cycle of sexual self-discovery, and to heal and integrate the sexual nature. Because of the intensity of the sensation body and the potential for sexual response, many of the crises have been triggered instinctually. The instinctual desire nature itself as rooted in the physical body, has been repressed along many lifetimes, and has been used as a primary vehicle for the creation of crises. Because of this, there is an intense thought focus on the sexual energy, sensations, and in sex (Mars being in the 3rd House Taurus and the T-square with Chiron and Uranus). Same symbols reflect too the potential mental detachment from the body sensations. Of course they also reflect an intense and highly energized integration of body and mind through movement which is more or less limited to the physical. Hence, the same Mars 3rd House correlates to the potential of being totally engaged in bodily sensations, and at same time to the potential of being totally disengaged and detached from the physical body in an observational way.

With Lilith conjunct the south node of Mars, and conjunct the Moon’s North Node, relative to Vesta squaring the nodal axis in the 5th House Cancer, the Soul has fundamental desires of a deeper sexual integration at a physical and Soul level, through sexual experiences with trusted partners based on joyful and playful manifestation and sharing of the natural sexual nature of the Souls. This is also reflected in the north node of Venus being in Leo, in the 5th House. In these scenarios the Soul would have expectations of being sexually and emotionally nurtured and would manifest in a childlike narcissistic way with the expectation to receive a concentrated focus of love and attention in which his nature and subjective feeling of specialness are totally embraced and nurtured. These symbols reflect desires which originate in sacred sexual initiation with mother or sister type figures in which the Soul felt totally love, accepted, and safe, in which the sexual energy and nature manifested in natural ways and the Soul experienced deep communion with nature.

The square between The Moon in the 1st House and Saturn reflects that the experiences of humiliation, and sexual wounding have created a crisis in sexual identity, and gender identity, because the Soul has been demanded to provide increasing sexual stimulation in yang, physical ways, which has never been enough for these partners, and the Soul has been rejected, humiliated, or betrayed, when desiring to open itself to its yin, feminine and receptive nature. Because of this crisis in sexual identity, the Soul has felt the need to define itself sexually in terms of gender. With Saturn/Moon being within the Crescent phase, this definition would need to occur through an internalized self-exploration. Though, because the Moon is in the 1st House, and ruling the 5th House, relative to the South Node ruler Mars being in the 3rd House, all the Leo planets. etc., the Soul has felt the need to define itself sexually in face of the external public, which of course is a projection of the internalized expectations and fears, in which the Soul desires to appear as totally 'masculine' in sexual terms.

Pluto/Venus being Balsamic in the 6th House correlates with a whole cycle of intimate relationships that is coming to a culmination, which has been based on experiences of humiliation along many lifetimes, which is a causal factor of the emptiness the Soul feels inwardly. This emptiness experienced through these types of relationships has induced the desire to conceal the sexual nature, ie, not to relate with intimate others based on the natural nature, and to create a duplicity in which the ‘masculine’ energy is directed and channeled toward external activity and sublimated in the work dynamic, creating the concentrated focus on work to the point of exhaustion, with work equaling a de facto sexual act, in which also relationships are subordinated to the context of work. The feminine energy-which in fact is the source and the inner nature of the masculine energy-remains locked, blocked, and un-nurtured.  Further, even though the sexual feminine orientation and needs are explored within private self-relationship, prior definitions associate these explorations with  patterns of guilt, shame and overall masochism, in which the feminine, sensitive, receptive and emotional nature is also overpowered by the ‘masculine’ energy through intense stimulation, instead of allowing the sensation body to fully manifest and expand from within. Thus, re-creating experiences of humiliation even within the private sexual relationship with self.

With Lilith in the 8th House Libra, conjunct the prior-life activated North Node, the original sexual nature of the Soul is oriented to create deep experiences of Soul merging through the vehicle of committed relationships which are defined by absolute equality in every sense including equality in roles, in giving and receiving, integration of male and female yin/yang polarities within self and with the committed partners.

The Dark Moon Lilith in the 6th House Leo conjunct the Leo Venus which is the North Node ruler, indicates that the distortion of the natural sexual nature because of patriarchal conditioning has occurred through sexual experiences defined by vicarious and subservient roles, and sexual superiority/inferiority occurred within ‘relationships’, through the types of experiences that have already been talked about in the prior stage of this thread, including sexual abuse, exploitation, in different forms  (this is re-stated by the south node of Venus being in the 8th House Libra, and Venus in the 6th House). The Black Moon Lilith being in the 2nd House Aries, indicates that the recovery and healing of the original sexual natures needs to occur though the inner relationship to self, in order for the Soul to redefine itself and discover and embrace its sexual nature and needs, which would allow for the Soul to attract other types of partners which are capable of embracing the Soul’s desire nature and natural sexual orientations. Mars/Venus phase being in a Crescent phase square, and Mars-South Node ruler- forming a Disseminating square to Pluto 6th House Virgo, reflect that the Soul has tried to conform to consensus definitions and yet needs to embrace its inherent nature and needs and sense of identity and sexual identity in relationships, remaining apart from all types of intimate relationships which are not able to relate on these terms, instead of relating intimately through consensus patriarchal roles or relationship types in which the sexual nature of the Soul is concealed and humiliated.

Excellent EA work Gonzalo. Bravo !

God Bless, Rad





Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Rad on Feb 21, 2012, 01:49 PM
Hi Linda,

Your EA analysis of Jackson's sexual dynamics is extremely excellent work, and demonstrates exactly how EA is meant to be understood and applies.

Here is what stood out for me. Please note the places I answered the questions you had:

Puer aeternus is Latin for eternal boy, used in mythology to designate a child-god who is forever young; psychologically it refers to an older man whose emotional life has remained at an adolescent level. The puer typically leads a provisional life, due to the fear of being caught in a situation from which it might not be possible to escape. He covets independence and freedom, chafes at boundaries and limits, and tends to find any restriction intolerable. – Wikipedia

Is it possible that, sexually, MJ thought of himself as a pubescent boy hence his sexual and emotional development becoming frozen during those formative years?  MJ’s transits at age 11 reveal a Mars Return, Prog Moon Leo 5th, T-Neptune opp Mars, Prog Asc 0 deg Aries, T-Chiron conj Eros, T-Saturn opp Adonis, and T-Neptune squ Dionysus.  The inability to grow beyond this point would have lead to an asexual orientation.  MJ maintained that his preference for the company of children was an innocent expression of affection.  The mass media saw this as a dangerous obsession and speculated about sexual addiction to young boys.  After the lawsuit, MJ continued with this controversial behaviour.  With Venus being such a prominent archetype, his NN of Venus Leo 5th is a reasonable explanation for his liking for children.  He endeavoured to heal his patriarchal wounds (NN of Venus conj NNs of Vesta-Saturn) and his skipped steps (Vesta Cancer 5th ruled by Moon Pisces 1st):  the unresolved issues of insecurity, regression into boyhood, and the malformation of his self-image.  By pulling his energies back from others, working in solitude, and trusting his instincts (2nd) he had been able to resolve the skipped steps by supplying his inner needs thus bringing about self-renewal of the inner child.  He extended his inner healing to a spiritual commitment to heal children (NNs of Jupiter-Pluto-Saturn-Vesta-Venus 5th).  With Moon Pisces ruling his 5th house, the patriarchal mass media really could not fathom MJ’s pure intentions (or naiveté). 

 The transition from self-stimulation to true intimacy with others was a stressful process for MJ since all aspects to his Mars are squares and inconjuncts denoting crisis and stress, the only exception being Mars Quintile Asc which describes a quality of genius in fluidity of thought and physical movement.  Further, Mars formed a t-square with Chiron and Uranus-Venus-Pallas-Mercury, all in fixed signs.  In order to fulfil evolutionary intentions, his Soul focused on essential relationships from the past such as those with siblings.  The 3rd house ruled by Venus (conj Uranus) and the 4th house ruled by Mercury indicated that healing was necessary in family relationships. 

His Soul created all of these dynamics because he was in a transitional phase in preparation for entering the social world as an equal (Pluto Virgo 6th).  His sexual/love nature came under the influence of this transitional Virgo archetype.  His overly egocentric self-focus and self-isolation was being channeled into human relationships (North Node Libra).  As part of the grooming process, many aspects of his love/sexual nature needed to be brought to culmination, so that the new evolutionary desires could be set into motion (North Node conj NN of Chiron ruled by Venus conj NN of Neptune).  The transition from the South Node to the North Node describes a concentration on self but with a necessity to learn co-operation with others.  Not being able to express stereotypical sexuality, he instead transmuted to a higher expression of Neptunian love by generously giving of himself and thus gaining the vicarious love he dreamed of by fulfilling his mission to the world.  Therefore, his main love interests would have been the public itself (Moon squ Saturn), his children, all children, scattered with karmic relationships.

PLUTO
Sexual encounters, experiences, and partners

The EA bottom line dynamics for MJ’s sexuality signature describes imbalance but also fruition in relationship dynamics (SNs of Venus-Mars conj North Node Libra 8th, ruler Venus Leo 6th bals Pluto, Mars ruled by Venus).  In terms of masochism, there had been a need for crisis associated with powerlessness and humiliation, and in terms of sadism, a need for crisis associated with the misuse of power and domination (Mars 3rd inconj North Node and SN of Mars, SN of Mars sext Venus).   The crises that MJ had undergone were all necessary in order to induce the evolutionary lesson of humility, allowing him to grow into a spiritual being through a process of inner metamorphosis. Fulfilling the role of service to others would transform the egocentric, selfish, deluded patterns from the past. 

PPP

Needless to say, MJ had leaned heavily toward left-brain processes.  The intention of the PPP was to develop the right brain intuitive function.  It was imperative that he learn to go deeper into the meaning of universal laws which lay beneath all the information that he had collected (Mars Taurus 3rd).  The PPP demanded a quietening of the mind and the development of intuition in order to bring understanding of underlying truths, so that he could come to a holistic view of himself and life rather than the endless collection of facts which tended to bring confusion, not clarity.  For this reason he needed to align with a philosophical, spiritual or metaphysical system that he could connect with.  The ruler of his PPP, Neptune Scorpio 8th, meant evolution through the emotional body.  The deep inner aloneness that MJ felt reflected an unresolved spiritual need (Pisces polarity).  He needed to align with a spiritual system defined through the principles of compassion, love, gentleness, kindness.  This would bring a deep self-acceptance that would attract positive changes and bring solutions to his life. 

South Node

In order to induce the evolutionary lesson of humility, service and self-improvement, in past lives Michael had closeted and insulated himself from the outside world.  His Soul desires were internalized and geared toward self-protection and self-sustainment due to the pressure to survive.  He had lived an internal sadomasochistic psychology with inner messages of intense self-criticism.  The inner urge for survival over many lifetimes resulted in becoming fixed and trapped into life circumstances that were geared for endurance at the expense of other aspects of his nature.  His frustrated physical needs were sublimated into the spiritual aspirations of his PPP thus becoming a group-of-one (widely conj Chiron). 

MJ’s Soul desired absolute creative self-actualization through conscious narcissism because he was fully aware of his creative gift (Venus Leo 6th).  Since his Venus conjuncts Mercury it was important that he be acknowledged as special by others through supportive communication (Mercury), and that he support others in the same way.  Not receiving a positive response would cause feelings of unworthiness and manifest intense emotional withdrawal or emotional dramas of a melodramatic nature.  Making others feel good and special came through in his performances and contributed to his success.  In his personal relationships his need to be considered special and loved at all times was never quite satisfied as he created repeated crisis that generated self-humiliation.  MJ related inwardly to himself in self-analytical and critical ways.  He desired to align with his actual inner reality as opposed to egocentric illusions or delusions.  These desires generated an inner emptiness, an existential void, of being very small and alone.  In contrast with the god-like status of Venus in Leo, forever comparing himself to impossibly high standards of belief, he never felt good enough or perfect enough.  Through real humility he was able to deflect any excessive personal acclaim.  The pathology of masochism created diverse forms of crisis, always leading to analysis and then to self-knowledge.  It meant being attracted to abusive people and submerging his needs to them reflecting an inner feeling of guilt, emotional wounding, and being undeserving to receive or be acknowledged.  Deep inner abuse would result in self-undermining activities that would bring humiliation and defeat.  To keep the deep inner abyss of aloneness and suffering at bay he would keep busy in the workaholic syndrome, keeping his left-brain constantly engaged.

Venus square Mars

Who was MJ in terms of his sexual nature?  His conscious desire nature (Mars, ruler of South Node) together with the inner and outer disposition of his love nature (Venus, ruler of his North Node) meant a crisis in action with choices to be made (Venus 1st qtr squ Mars).  He was questioning exactly what form he would take and how to build upon the foundation that he had already built.  His Soul had evolved into fundamental courage to stand apart from everyone else and to wilfully assert his own values.  However, in this phase there had been an inherent crisis of a fear of forming relationships with others in general.  This sheds light on the mystery of MJ’s sexuality.  Whenever he formed a relationship, he felt a loss of individuality.  Engagement with others was punctuated by fearful disengagement.  With each new relationship came expansion but also a need for isolation.  With the SNs of Venus-Mars conj the North Node, had he perhaps experienced too many indiscriminate sexual contacts in the past that had been based purely on using others as a sex object, or allowing others to use him in this way?

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Yes

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 After purely physical sex had taken place, had he avoided further involvement due to inherent fears of loss, betrayal or abandonment?

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Yes

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Chiron Aquarius 12th correlates to memory imprints around experiences of delusion, illusion, fears, phobias, trauma, leading to massive crisis (ruler Uranus Leo 6th).  These experiences revolved around duplicity in relationships (Mars t-squ Chiron and Venus) and point specifically to the wound of sexualizing a relationship with a sibling.  This relationship had generated secrecy, lies and crippling guilt.  Could it be that the suppressed guilt and denial from that past life relationship needed to be released, healed and culminated? 

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Yes

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 This could account for MJ’s apparent lack of relationships due to self-punishment and atonement dynamics.

He had also relied heavily upon the emotional support of dermatology nurse Debbie Rowe who he married and two years later divorced.  MJ received full custody of their two children (SN of Ceres Scorpio 9th, SN of Ceres ruled by Pluto, NN of Ceres Cancer 4th).  Irrespective of whether these were his biological children, the NN of Pluto Cancer 5th meant having to work upon issues in relation to his children who were his children in a past life (SN of Vesta Sag 9th, Vesta Cancer 5th, NN of Vesta Cancer 5th).  His Vesta skipped steps (Vesta squ Nodes, SN of Vesta Sag 9th conj MC, NN of Vesta conj NN of Saturn Cancer 5th) revolving around charges of child abuse would need to be recovered through the SN Aries 2nd.  Having been molded into a child star, MJ’s identity was cemented into that of an adolescent boy.  There came a period of time (around the court cases) when he was no longer idolized (SN of Vesta conj Saturn).  He needed to start acting as a mature adult (NN of Saturn Cancer 5th) to handle the charges laid against him so that the childish behaviours could be reversed.

MJ needed to complete key relationships from the past that had been sexualized and where an exchange of karma had taken place.  Many of these relationships had been initiated in order to fill the void of utter aloneness, or to fulfill the needs of a partner without honouring his own needs.  With Moon Pisces ruled by Neptune conj North Node, and Venus in Leo, the compassionate, poetic and romantic side of MJ’s Soul attracted one-sided relationships.  Because he had lost sight of his own needs, instinctively people had projected their needs and expectations onto him thus creating sadomasochistic conditions of imbalance and inequality.  He became overwhelmed and confused, and anger was projected onto others.  Therefore the evolutionary lesson in the current life was to learn to honour his instinctive nature, and the need to be absolutely alone, or to interrelate with others, as the need may be, without guilt or apology. 

Conclusion

Being an androgynous soul, he played around with gender roles because he could not see the barriers (Moon Pisces 1st).  With Moon inconj Venus-Uranus, Moon opp Ceres-Cupido, and Moon squ Saturn-Lucifer he had suffered from a persecution complex (originating in childhood from an abusive father).  This would have attracted relationships based on inequality and sadomasochism.  Becoming famous, wealthy and powerful could have caused him to over-estimate his importance thus generating delusions of grandeur due to excessive pride (Leo).  This would have lead to a need for the partner to prop up his ego or act as alter ego.  Moon opp Cupido 7th correlates to the main barrier that MJ erected between himself and prospective love interests due to his feelings of vulnerability.  He was essentially unobtainable as a partner because of being so wrapped up in a narcissistic contemplation of himself.  He was elusive, ethereal and inaccessible:  that was a way of keeping prospective love interests at bay, or controlling them (North Node Libra 8th conj Neptune). 

Simply exceptional EA work Linda. Bravo !

God Bless, Rad












Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Rad on Feb 21, 2012, 01:51 PM
Hi Kristin, Linda, Gonzalo, Cat, and Mirta,

Please read through everyone's analysis to gain to total and accurate understanding of the sexual dynamics for Michael Jackson. If you have any questions of me please ask.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: jasonholley on Feb 21, 2012, 03:14 PM
Hi Rad and all,

As mentioned I did not complete a comprehensive analysis but I did work on this earlier and thought I would at least share what I did get done, focused on the 1st/Aries/Mars dimension of the analysis.

God bless,
Jason

Instinctual Nature: 1st House, Aries, Mars

Parental imprinting has heavily conditioned the Soul’s instinctual desire nature, through judgment and criticism of the father who has held extremely strong and self-centered ideals (Saturn in Sagittarius/9th square to Ascendant), and a kind of fusion relative to the mother (Moon conjunct Ascendant, both in Pisces), but that fusion having been broken at a very early age by the intrusion of the father (Saturn square Moon).  This has set up a very difficult relationship between the animus and anima in this Soul, in which the internalized feminine and the internalized masculine are in great tension.  The result being that the Soul would become much more identified with the feminine anima and its experience of that energy as boundless, uncontained, free, and seemingly innocent (Ascendant conjunct Moon in 1st, both in Pisces).

One of the Soul’s strongest instinctual drives has thus been to return to the womb-like state of attunement that is remembered from that very early time, to be in a state of union and complete potentiality, versus to have to manifest in form in the world.  This state is non-verbal (but definitely musical! Pisces), and in this state there would be no responsibility, no need for any kind of self-definition, no limitations or structures  . . . escape.  It is easy to see how this strong drive for a kind of pre-conscious existence manifested in Michael’s life, with his addictions to sedatives, pain killers, and ultimately anesthesia itself – sleep.  An escape from the bullying by the father (Saturn square Moon/AC) and the public (Saturn conjunct MC). 

There is then also a basic confusion relative to the pursuit of the Soul’s instinctual desires.  Because of the tendency of the instinctual nature to identify with pure potentiality, there is an ability, at a very basic level, to identify with any and all ways of being in the world – really the Soul can imagine itself in any form, and in some ways it is learning through its pursuit of basic instincts that it truly can become anything that it imagines (AC in Pisces).  Its imaginings are literally endless, and they relate not only to transient instinctual desires but also to entire identity structures that it can imagine for itself (Moon conjunct AC).  And so, when the Soul experiences an activation of instinctual impulses, these go in many different directions and create a confusion – as if anytime that it just lets itself do whatever comes naturally, way too much comes naturally, and very little actually makes it into incarnation and form.  There is thus an amorphous quality to the Soul’s own “becoming” nature – it is always becoming and never quite reaching.  And in this lifetime, this very watery, confused impulsive process has actually been taken on as an identity in itself (Moon).   This is very much the instinct of Peter Pan – who Michael was so identified with – whose defining characteristic was that he would not grow up, thus anything was possible.   

It also has to be said that the Soul is also carrying a state of primitive rage because of the fact that growing up does have to happen, and it cannot remain in the womb-like state (interaction of 1st house and Pisces) or return to innocence – there is no going back – yet also it is unclear and confused how to be in this world.  There is an intense frustration at the disruption of the peacefulness and blissful non-separation-awareness and the expectation of individuation for which the Soul feels unprepared.  This rage is something like the first scream of the infant arriving into the world (1st house Aries energy), completely in a state of distress at having been removed from the bliss of undifferentiated union (Pisces). 

These aspects of the instinctual nature – its confusion, its identification with potentiality, its endless imaginings of itself, its desire for the womb and its primitive rage relative to this – is played out in the Soul’s sexual relationships (1st ruler Neptune in 8th/Scorpio).  It is related to lifetimes discussed in earlier messages in which the Soul essentially listened to and embodied/performed the fantasies and projections of the other, but now in this lifetime the Soul’s own fantasies are the ones it is driven to carry out – hence what we have heard from Michael’s known sexual partners including his wives, who report his many dress-up games, as he imagined himself in many different roles.   His undifferentiated instinctual orientations would have translated into sexual experiences that were essentially “polymorphously perverse” – a term for undifferentiated libinal urges that go in all kinds of different directions without a specific sexual template, and can include all sorts of bestiality, incest, really anything whatsoever.  In addition, the self-centered rage meant that he would absolutely demand to be allowed to act out these many – in some sense infantile, undifferentiated – fantasies and urges, and we know this to be the case from the report of his wives and other lovers.   At the same time, there was an “unformed” quality to these experiences, as described by these people, that is again very Piscean/Neptunian – a kind of archaic, preconscious quality, like ancient statues in which the details of forms were not included – things were more in their ideal forms per Platonic descriptions, their most simple energetic forms without distinctions.

At the same time, alongside the impulse to dissolve certain kinds of boundaries are also impulses to establish them.  The Soul has had an intense need to get away from others in order to establish itself on its own terms and to derive its energy and thrust in the world from the inside.  The drive is towards self-definition, defining one’s own boundaries, and separation or isolation from others in order to survive (Aries on 2nd cusp and Mars in Taurus).  In many ways there is an emphasis on what we could call “turf” and psychic property: this is my space, my energy, mine.  Sexually this translates to self-satisfaction, strong masturbatory drives, and urge to drive deep into the inside and root into whatever will create a stable boundary.  The instinctual nature is thus very self-centered and in many ways can be selfish.  It is highly survival-oriented, and feels the need to hoard its own energy and protect and preserve itself at all costs.  There is a drive towards self-sufficiency which often results in relative isolation.  This self-based survival orientation relates to the Soul’s history with persecution for differentness and being called monstrous, ugly, and so on as discussed in the earlier analysis of the karmic axis of the chart (Lilith and the SN in Aries, opposite Jupiter/Neptune).   In part this autoeroticism and self-focus is the Soul’s instinctual way of taking action to heal itself from substantial trauma in its past that is carried unconsciously (Mars in 1st Quarter square to Chiron in 12th/Aquarius, that Chiron opposite Uranus). 

Looking more at the “why” of these instinctual drives in this lifetime, in past lives, we can see that the instinctual nature was caught up with what others wanted, and was totally involved in merger and too much boundary crossing, becoming the projections and fulfilling the fantasies of the sexual partners as described in my earlier post – there was a strong urge to do this and the Soul was totally involved in it (Mars SN in Libra/8th).  The Soul was driven to enact extreme scenarios of violation and abandonment, traumatic experiences in which these experiences were eroticized in some way.  It would do this by appearing to “serve” the (mostly) men that it was with – and to be the star of show in which it was degraded (Venus, ruler of Mars NN, in 6th/Leo). The instinct was always to be in connection and relationship, to merge through marriage and other ways in order to be connected with others who had resources and power, and there was thus a very fractured sexual boundary system in the Soul, with an extreme readiness to connect with others.  This connection was particularly through cords connecting the sacral chakras of the Soul and those it bonded with (SN Mars conjunct Jupiter and Neptune, both rulers of the 2nd chakra, and square Vesta, goddess asteroid associated with 2nd chakra).  This meant that the Soul became a revolving door sexual stop for many other Souls.    Across multiple experiences of this in multiple lifetimes, the Soul came to a point of overload with the amount of sexual cording, and also with the amount of karma it was taking in through the intake of sexual fluids from such a large number of partners.  This explains the instincts in this lifetime to return to the womb and bliss out in an undifferentiated way, to try to escape all of what it is carrying, all of which at some level it remembers in the unconscious, thus also the desires to act these things out, again, the polymorphous unboundedness (AC in Pisces) – which itself can now be more deeply understood as the desire to release and transcend much of the karma picked up through past acting out of the instinctual nature.  As well, this history helps to explain the Soul’s instinct in this lifetime to self-contain, to build up its own energy, to create boundaries, to rely only on itself for instinctual satisfaction (Mars in Taurus, Aries on 2nd cusp), in essence to stop “giving it away” as it did in the past (Mars SN in 8th/Libra).  The Soul in this lifetime is seeking release and trying in some sense to “recharge”.

Looking to the future the instinctual nature is evolving towards a focus on developing a secure home base, an ego identity, from which the Soul can make forays into the world and start to begin to rename and reassign labels to reality (Mars NN in Gemini/4th).  The Soul after recharging and releasing more in near future lifetimes will begin to feel a kind of emotional security which will enable it to feel “safe enough” to become curious and interested in the world and others around it to start asking questions and being in circulation once more, but in a very different way, without the power dynamics that have characterized involvements before – in a sense the instinct will be “lightened up”, able to explore in an open and less intense way.  And it will do this through aligning itself and its creative force with the ideal of service and submission to a higher power than itself (Mercury, Mars NN ruler, in 6th/Leo), very congruent with the Soul’s evolutionary condition and its continuing into the 1st stage spiritual.

Finally, I want to offer a perspective relative to Michael’s affinity with pubescent boys.  To me, this affinity is strongly correlated in the first place to the Moon in Pisces on the ascendant, ruling the 5th and trine to Vesta in Cancer in the 5th – which show both Michael’s own identification with potentiality – after all in a sense pubescent children are in exactly the ripest state of pure potentiality and “Peter Pan”-ness, things being ready to go in just about any direction and beginning to go some direction following the first Saturn opposition at 14 – and so he identified with these children as “one of them”; as well as also feeling a kind of male mothering and protective energy towards them at the same time through a powerful attunement and tracking with their own developmental process.   Michael’s ruler of the 5th being in the 1st conjunct the Ascendant, and that being the Moon itself, shows a strong instinctual drive to be constantly “becoming a kid” – and of course again the Saturn square to the Moon showing how the father, and later the public (Saturn conjunct MC), judged, hated, and worked against this instinct in him.  To me, then, his affinity for children can be best classified as an instinctual drive, not a sexual orientation or value/need, and actually shows the usefulness of distinguishing signatures associated with Venus/2nd/Taurus vs. Mars/1st/Aries; it was a deep basic drive that he felt to connect with these children, that was not about fulfilling an unmet sexual need.


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: cat777 on Feb 21, 2012, 04:36 PM
Hi Rad and Everyone,

Mirta pointed out that MJ had a skipped step in gender assignment with the resolution Node being in Aries - a masculine sign.

"Although with SN of Mars and Venus in Libra the Soul has desired inwardly unite the inner male and female through sexual role equality, there is a skipped step in gender assignment whose resolution node is in Aries, a masculine and phallic sign.The ongoing integration between feminine and masculine aspects can be seen in Mars Venus Crescent Phase, an inner empowerment for the Soul as it forms a new way of relating to itself, and thus to other people; and in the asteroid Psyche"

I'm not quite sure what my question is exactly but let me give it a shot.  The soul desires to unite the inner male and inner female - I assume in a balanced way, the goal to become Androgynous.  Being that the resolution node is in a masculine sign, then he needs to become more masculine to achieve this balance?

That isn't my question however.  My question is more in regard to androgeny.  It would seem that uniting the anima and animus, in spiritual terms, would be a desire to become more whole and reflect the true state of the soul, which is the same as the true state of God, neither male nor female but equally both.  This would be symbolic of becoming whole by eliminating all opposites:  male/female; good/bad/dark/light so on and so forth.  Of course the anima/animus is just one of many dualities within our natures.  In this particular case, striving to become androgynous, once achieved, by any soul, does the soul continue on through the rest of its evolution in an androgynous state generally (though I am sure some would not as its likely easy to come across some situation that creates a separating desire that entails reverting back to another orientation).  So I guess I am asking, in regard to sexual orientation is androgeny the goal, or am I making a huge assumption which I think may be based on Jungian/Gnostic concepts that have colored by beliefs?


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Rad on Feb 22, 2012, 08:35 AM
Hi Cat,

Hi Rad and Everyone,

Mirta pointed out that MJ had a skipped step in gender assignment with the resolution Node being in Aries - a masculine sign.

"Although with SN of Mars and Venus in Libra the Soul has desired inwardly unite the inner male and female through sexual role equality, there is a skipped step in gender assignment whose resolution node is in Aries, a masculine and phallic sign.The ongoing integration between feminine and masculine aspects can be seen in Mars Venus Crescent Phase, an inner empowerment for the Soul as it forms a new way of relating to itself, and thus to other people; and in the asteroid Psyche"

I'm not quite sure what my question is exactly but let me give it a shot.  The soul desires to unite the inner male and inner female - I assume in a balanced way, the goal to become Androgynous.  Being that the resolution node is in a masculine sign, then he needs to become more masculine to achieve this balance?

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Relative to the context of Jackson's Soul this would mean becoming an 'adult' male, a mature male in which the inner feminine is united with.

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That isn't my question however.  My question is more in regard to androgeny.  It would seem that uniting the anima and animus, in spiritual terms, would be a desire to become more whole and reflect the true state of the soul, which is the same as the true state of God, neither male nor female but equally both.  This would be symbolic of becoming whole by eliminating all opposites:  male/female; good/bad/dark/light so on and so forth.  Of course the anima/animus is just one of many dualities within our natures.  In this particular case, striving to become androgynous, once achieved, by any soul, does the soul continue on through the rest of its evolution in an androgynous state generally (though I am sure some would not as its likely easy to come across some situation that creates a separating desire that entails reverting back to another orientation).  So I guess I am asking, in regard to sexual orientation is androgeny the goal, or am I making a huge assumption which I think may be based on Jungian/Gnostic concepts that have colored by beliefs?

Removing or eliminating opposites simply is not possible within the inherent structure of the manifested Creation which has been set in motion relative to the Natural Laws of duality. The 'goal' for any Soul is simply to reunite it's consciousness with the consciousness of That which created all Souls, and Creation itself. All Souls are naturally male and female, thus naturally androgynous. Thus as any Soul begins the process of actively through desire to reunite it's consciousness with the consciousness of the Creator will naturally arrive at a state of consciousness within itself in which that natural androgyny is realized. It's not a 'goal' in and of itself: it just naturally occurs.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Rad on Feb 22, 2012, 09:33 AM
Hi Jason,

Thanks for taking the time to do an EA analysis of Jackson's sexual dynamics to the extent that you did. Everything that you have said is totally accurate and I would encourage all here to read it carefully. Your summary of his relationship to young boys is exactly right: "Finally, I want to offer a perspective relative to Michael’s affinity with pubescent boys.  To me, this affinity is strongly correlated in the first place to the Moon in Pisces on the ascendant, ruling the 5th and trine to Vesta in Cancer in the 5th – which show both Michael’s own identification with potentiality – after all in a sense pubescent children are in exactly the ripest state of pure potentiality and “Peter Pan”-ness, things being ready to go in just about any direction and beginning to go some direction following the first Saturn opposition at 14 – and so he identified with these children as “one of them”; as well as also feeling a kind of male mothering and protective energy towards them at the same time through a powerful attunement and tracking with their own developmental process.   Michael’s ruler of the 5th being in the 1st conjunct the Ascendant, and that being the Moon itself, shows a strong instinctual drive to be constantly “becoming a kid” – and of course again the Saturn square to the Moon showing how the father, and later the public (Saturn conjunct MC), judged, hated, and worked against this instinct in him.  To me, then, his affinity for children can be best classified as an instinctual drive, not a sexual orientation or value/need, and actually shows the usefulness of distinguishing signatures associated with Venus/2nd/Taurus vs. Mars/1st/Aries; it was a deep basic drive that he felt to connect with these children, that was not about fulfilling an unmet sexual need."

Excellent EA work Jason. Bravo !

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Kristin on Feb 23, 2012, 01:27 PM
Hi Rad and all,

Thank you for the feedback Rad..and for taking the time to read, comment and teach here on this board on the ongoing threads..it is truly invaluable..

and thanks to Cat, Linda, Mirta, Gonzalo and Jason for sharing your observations..I do know firsthand how much time and heart effort these posts take and I continue to learn so much from you all.

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WOW to learn of a confirmation to the past life as Farinelli is riveting for me because of following the inner hunches and seeing the correlations and then now to see the charts in synastry as you have posted... ea is incredible..thank you

Amazing that Farinelli's Saturn is on MJ's South Node in Aries in the second, his Mars also in Taurus but conjunct the Saturn on Mj's South Node, reflecting the castration theme. Also in the life of Farinelli his brother staged a fall off of a horse to justify the need for castration since it was not legal in that time. Farnielli's has a South Node in Sagittarius conjunct MJ's Saturn, the ruler Jupiter (horse) is in Gemini(sibling) in MJ's 3rd house, sibling again. The 3rd house also connecting to the voice, a staged accident by the brother to save the voice.

Also the ruler of their mutual Mars in Virgo is Venus, Farinell's Venus is in MJ's 12th in Pisces, on the Asc and Mj's Moon, Venus being Music..pure and heavenly sound, their music a gift from God, and both being musical icons in their time.

In addition, Farinelli's Pluto lands in MJ's 6th, opposes MJ's Chiron, and is conjunct his Venus/Uranus and square MJ's Mars restating the whole trauma of past life castration. The ruler of Farinelli's North Node in Gemini is Mercury in Aquarius conjunct MJ's Chiron in the 12th which squares Mars and so on.

It is all there..

Thanks again..
With gratitude,
Kristin


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Gray on Feb 25, 2012, 07:02 PM
Hi Rad, Kristin, and all,

I am really fascinated by Kristin's post on Michael Jackson's past life and how you confirmed it, Rad.  I can follow Kristin's analysis of the significant aspects in her last post, but I am wondering in this type of thing are there ever especially significant aspects that lead one to conclude with more certainty that two figures from history share the same soul development?  Or is it not really possible to do so, because you are looking at the chart from such a holistic perspective?  I had never heard of Farinelli before, but it is really interesting to think about the connections between their biographies! Thank you for all of your work, Gray


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Rad on Feb 26, 2012, 08:57 AM
Hi Rad, Kristin, and all,

I am really fascinated by Kristin's post on Michael Jackson's past life and how you confirmed it, Rad.  I can follow Kristin's analysis of the significant aspects in her last post, but I am wondering in this type of thing are there ever especially significant aspects that lead one to conclude with more certainty that two figures from history share the same soul development?  Or is it not really possible to do so, because you are looking at the chart from such a holistic perspective?  I had never heard of Farinelli before, but it is really interesting to think about the connections between their biographies! Thank you for all of your work, Gray

Hi Gray,

Without actually knowing who a given Soul has been in another life, the actual knowing that is beyond astrology of any kind, no amount of astrological investigation can, of itself, confirm that  a given Soul was this or that person in another life. When one does know relative to other means or capacities that a given Soul was 'so and so' from another life then the connections between them relative to EA became pretty obvious as in the situation with Jackson and Farinelli.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: BrendaP on Feb 26, 2012, 09:33 AM
I tried to post, and it did not go through, may have been posting at the same time as Rad.

I started work on Michael Jackson, and then did not have the time to develop it. What originally popped into my head-  related to his Vesta in Cancer square the nodes, and Pluto in Virgo (Afghanistan/Middle East in in the mutable Geodetic zone) was that in prior lifetimes could he have been a Bacha Bazi boy? Here is the link from this forum:

http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php?action=search2

From Wikipedia, bacha bazi means "boy play." These boys were often sold by their families for the family survival (South Node Aries conjunct Lilith, House 2.) The boys are dressed up as women, with dancing veils ( MJ and his children often photographed in masks), the boys are very abused, used up and left to die or killed once they are of no further use , massive boundary violations related to sexuality(NNode H 8, Jupiter/Neptune). Of course Vesta in Cancer related to the gender switching related to sexuality.

I heard Jason (on Kristin's show) say the Cardinal axis was related to Shame, this would be the shame as the source of his inner need for atonement (pluto in Virgo.). I think he tried to rescue other children from this fate, but that too, becomes distored and misunderstood.

Some of the boys--those  that were very desirable and talented could achieve a level of status and power--this could be the source of Michael developing his talent out of absolute survival necessity, also a means to wealth and power.

I also wonder if he had  possible past lives as a Kabuki dancer and/or Geisha? --Venus/Uranus in Leo, Geodetic zone of Japan. This could also further support the extreme stylization of his face beyond just bad plastic surgery.

Anyway, thanks, and I have really enjoyed reading what everyone has written, and how amazing and wonderfully it has all been presented.

God Bless


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Kristin on Feb 26, 2012, 11:19 AM
Hi Gray,

I just wanted to share here, as I do not have the capacities to know if someone was a certain person in a past life, I can only witness/observe at this point similar EA themes that carry through yet the most synchronistic things tend to occur around the time I am working on posts. I was watching the beginning of a movie of the life of Farinelli, I did not know who he was either before I had seen this but literally on the day I was working on this post this came to my attention, and all of a sudden it hit me that there were some fascinating similarities. It happened just like that. I was not going to even bring it up, thought it might be a long shot..and then I found this image of MJ that stopped me in my tracks (mostly because of the attire being straight out of that time)..also because Michael's high pitched voice was so well preserved, it was that fact that caused me to research this a bit further. I was aware of the castrations in that time to preserve the soprano voice in a boy because of being raised by a classical musical father but did not know of Farinelli per se until the exact day of working on this post..clearly higher guides nudging me along..Bless them..and thank you so much Rad for your lens and input.

Peace,
Kristin

Farinelli
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/CarloBroschi.JPG/250px-CarloBroschi.JPG)



My apologies for how big this pic is..not sure how to reduce it..
(http://i2.listal.com/image/714170/936full-michael-jackson.jpg)





Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: jasonholley on Feb 26, 2012, 11:55 AM
Hi Brenda,

Thanks for sharing this, that is a very intriguing possibility and I will look forward to Rad’s input about it.  It makes a lot of sense to me and it certainly seems congruent with the archetypal dynamics we’ve discussed with MJ’s chart.

I wanted to contextualize my comment on shame and the cardinal signs that you mentioned since that could be hard to understand if someone hasn't heard that show.  To be specific I was referring to Capricorn/Saturn/10th house – which is focused on social identity such that planets involved with this archetype have experienced an internalization of societal and cultural conditioning which results in the experience of shame whenever the individual thinks, feels, or behaves outside of the proscriptions of that conditioning.  In terms of the cardinal cross, what I was getting at is that because of the squares and oppositions of the other cardinal signs to Capricorn, often there is an immediate shame experience, or backlash, when people attempt to act upon their instinctual (Aries), emotional (Cancer), and relational (Libra) drives.  This can come from the outside of course, in terms of being “shamed” by others, but it can also be an internal dynamic.  Even people without planets in Capricorn are subject to this dynamic, in part because of course we all have Saturn and Capricorn somewhere, but also because everyone on the planet today has the South Nodes of both Pluto and Saturn (and Jupiter in many cases) right around the middle or later end of Capricorn, so we are all carrying internally a lot of residual rules and protocols of patriarchy that tend to produce the shame response whenever we “disobey” them.  So to me, any planets in mid-to-late cardinal signs, when they initiate and act which is what cardinal energies naturally do, will be subject to a potential internalized “backlash” of feeling bad or inappropriate somehow.  

Back to MJ I think you are onto something relative to the shame game with his Vesta in Cancer, because it is a great example of this dynamic with its near-exact opposition to the South Nodes of Pluto and Saturn – showing that as patriarchal norms ascended, this aspect of this Soul was judged and punished (also Capricorn) for its natural sexual mentoring – and also showing, in evolutionary terms, that this caused a skipped step (Vesta square lunar nodes) for the Soul and that now it is needing to “throw off” (opposition to those SNs) the old conditioning.  And also the inconjunct of his Vesta with his Saturn in Sagittarius conjunct the midheaven to me is a classic shame signature and to be more specific an archetype of humiliation, because it involves an interaction between 10th/Capricorn/Saturn and 5th/Leo/Sun archetypes.  The 5th house Vesta has a natural drive to project itself into the world, to seek love and validation; but then, bam, that Saturn comes down on it, through the inconjunct, and basically says you are evil (Saturn in Sag/9th – morality cops), and exist only to be used (Saturn/Cap word).  [Not to mention if we add in the other leg of the yod, the Chiron in Aquarius/12th sextile Saturn and inconjunct Vesta, showing how projections of sick deviance went hand-in-glove with the moral posturing to humiliate Jackson.]  In this context it would be easy to see MJ's Soul as having been a bachcha bazi – type figure: a sexualized child (Vesta 5th) enslaved to a leader mover/shaker (Saturn conjunct MC), such a lifetime being an outpicturing and playing out of the shame the Soul took on relative to the Vesta function during patriarchal experiences.

God bless,
Jason

p.s. -- Kristin that is an awesome pic and I am GLAD it is so large -- really makes an impact! xoxo


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Rad on Feb 26, 2012, 02:48 PM
I tried to post, and it did not go through, may have been posting at the same time as Rad.

I started work on Michael Jackson, and then did not have the time to develop it. What originally popped into my head-  related to his Vesta in Cancer square the nodes, and Pluto in Virgo (Afghanistan/Middle East in in the mutable Geodetic zone) was that in prior lifetimes could he have been a Bacha Bazi boy? Here is the link from this forum:

http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php?action=search2

From Wikipedia, bacha bazi means "boy play." These boys were often sold by their families for the family survival (South Node Aries conjunct Lilith, House 2.) The boys are dressed up as women, with dancing veils ( MJ and his children often photographed in masks), the boys are very abused, used up and left to die or killed once they are of no further use , massive boundary violations related to sexuality(NNode H 8, Jupiter/Neptune). Of course Vesta in Cancer related to the gender switching related to sexuality.

I heard Jason (on Kristin's show) say the Cardinal axis was related to Shame, this would be the shame as the source of his inner need for atonement (pluto in Virgo.). I think he tried to rescue other children from this fate, but that too, becomes distored and misunderstood.

Some of the boys--those  that were very desirable and talented could achieve a level of status and power--this could be the source of Michael developing his talent out of absolute survival necessity, also a means to wealth and power.

I also wonder if he had  possible past lives as a Kabuki dancer and/or Geisha? --Venus/Uranus in Leo, Geodetic zone of Japan. This could also further support the extreme stylization of his face beyond just bad plastic surgery.

Anyway, thanks, and I have really enjoyed reading what everyone has written, and how amazing and wonderfully it has all been presented.

God Bless

Hi Brenda,

No, none of those sorts of prior lives apply to Jackson.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: BrendaP on Feb 26, 2012, 07:20 PM
Rad, thank you very much for your feedback and correction.

Jason, thank you for reviewing your teachings on shame, and bringing them into this specific example.

God Bless


Title: Re: UNDERSTANDING SEXUALITY THROUGH THE EA PARADIGM
Post by: Gray on Feb 27, 2012, 12:19 AM
Hi Rad and Kristin,

Thank you for writing back about my question, your answers make perfect sense for me. Kristin, I also have experienced some interesting synchronicities regarding subjects I was working on from this message board, though none quite as extraordinary as yours.  A fun one during our time working on John Lennon was randomnly meeting a Brit in Washington who had regularly seen Lennon and The Beatles play in their early days at the Cavern. peace, Gray