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Title: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Linda on Apr 04, 2012, 05:33 PM
Hi Rad,

What are the Neptunian "emotions" that make evolution possible?  Are they to be understood in a....

1.  physical sense (crying, yearning),
2.  symbolic sense (universal ocean),
3.  or in context of one Soul desire to return to Source (complete surrender)?

I understand the water trinity is involved (and perhaps even the evolutionary stages), but my question specifically relates to Neptune.

Thank you.

Linda


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Rad on Apr 05, 2012, 08:14 AM
Hi Linda,

"What are the Neptunian "emotions" that make evolution possible?"

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One of the core emotions that correlate with Neptune, Pisces, and the 12th House, and the Nodes of Neptune, and evolution is one of disillusionment. To be disillusioned means that the Soul had been creating a reality around 'something' in which a sense of ultimate meaning has been projected upon that something. In so projecting that sense of ultimate meaning into that 'something' when that something is not Goddess itself it means that that something has become a defacto Goddess. Thus, to be disillusioned from that something holding such ultimate meaning is then to be faced with a deep inner void when the disillusioning is occurring. The Natural Law behind this is make the Soul ask the question of what in fact constitutes the REAL ultimate meaning for it's life. And that then is intended to lead right back to the Source of the Soul itself: Goddess.

Of course most Souls don't do that even thought it's the intention. Most Souls will then try to find another 'something' to project that ultimate meaning into all over again. So round and round the Soul goes in this way until the Soul finally realizes what that ultimate meaning for life is, and to commit to this.

The most intense and difficult Neptunian emotion that manifests relative to disillusionment is one of hysteria.

Another natural emotion specific to Neptune, etc, is one of empathy where empathy allows us to truly understand the emotional realities and needs of others. And within this emotion to DESIRE to help others in the ways that we naturally can without any other motive or agenda attached to it: to give to others what they actually need in the best ways that we can. This then allows the Soul to evolve because it is one of the Natural Laws and 'commands' of the natural Goddess to do so. The deepest degree of this Natural Law and the emotion of it is to ALWAYS PUT OTHERS FIRST no matter what the consequences may be to oneself: think of Jesus here for example of an ultimate manifestation of this. And remember he did have 6 planets in Pisces, and Neptune conjunct his S.Node. His S.Node of Neptune was in Capricorn which is ruled by his Saturn in Pisces.

When a Soul has committed through desire to reuniting itself with it's own Source, and has inwardly realized that Source, then the natural Neptunian emotion of ECSTASY will permeate the Soul when that direct union with the Source takes place. Once any Soul has such an experience it will serve as the very basis and cause of it ongoing evolutionary journey back to the Source itself.

So these are examples of pure Neptunian emotions. There are others but I just don't have the time at the moment to write it all down.

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God Bless, Rad










 


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Linda on Apr 05, 2012, 03:20 PM
Rad,

Thanks so much for taking the time to go into more detail about the Neptunian emotions.

Much appreciated,

Linda


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Upasika on Apr 05, 2012, 05:34 PM
Hi Linda,

Thanks for asking this question, I find it interesting too.

I thought we could summarise what Rad has said, and try ourselves to list more of the feelings & emotions related to Neptune and then Rad could just confirm whether or not they are right.

So far Rad identified these ...

a) Projected meaning onto something => disillusionment => hysteria
b) Empathy => compassion (selfless desire to help)
c) Realisation => Ecstasy

Further suggestions....

d) A feeling of obligation => sacrifice
e) Sense of void/emptiness => feeling of deep loneliness
f) Sense of spiritual separation => feeling of uncaused estrangement
g) Naivety => being deceived, duped => feeling stupid
h) Sense of having done wrong (against one's inner timeless judgement of what is naturally right) => feeling of inner repulsion => masochism

Not sure if these all apply, but Neptune is a bit elusive and I'd like to understand it's emotional manifestations further. It would seem obvious that different feelings & emotions would manifest depending of the evolutionary stage of the individual.

And hysteria - I'm not sure what that really is, just how it physically manifests in a person? Do you have any ideas on that?

blessings Upasika


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Linda on Apr 06, 2012, 04:16 AM
Hi Upasika,


Continuing here with some additional insights into Neptunian “emotions.”  


Self-denial

I am calling it an emotion, but it is a mixture of self-deception, hiding from the truth, convincing others (Sag), wearing a mask, and blocking out reality.  These weak points could originate from past life actions that are unbearable to face, so guilt, remorse or shame are pushed down deep into the unconscious and replaced with a false persona.  Breaking down of the false to reveal the truth should lead to disillusionment and then to atonement dynamics (Virgo).


Indistinct fears

These can be an array of subtle, intangible or indescribable fears, illusions, delusions, delirium, confusion, figments of the imagination, false impressions or distortions of inner or outer reality.  The individual can be terrified of “something,” but not know what it is.  Miraculous Grace flushes out the specters, leaving a feeling of being cleansed.  


Q. What is fear?  
It is only a thought.  
If there is anything besides the Self
there is reason to fear.
(Ramana Maharshi)


The Jesus complex

Not sure what emotion is generated here, but thought I'd include this archetype and call it spiritual arrogance.  Creating an illusion that one is God-like beyond any imperfection.  Examples:  cult leaders, spiritual subversives, monstrously inflated egos.


Hysteria (somatisation disorder) – the most extreme Neptunian emotion

Wiki – Unmanageable emotional excesses and loss of self-control due to an overwhelming fear caused by events comprising severe conflict.  What would drive a Soul to the stage of hysteria?  Some causes could be:  keeping secrets;  suppressing fear;  or the unconscious mind’s attempt to protect from psychic stress.  The pressure would have to be so great that the explosion of emotion would serve as a crisis or release point.


Ecstasy

Ecstasy might be considered the opposite of hysteria.  Where hysteria is the uncontrolled build-up of panicky emotions to explosion point, ecstasy is a peacefulness exceeding the imagination.  It could be described as Divine union, expanded spiritual awareness, transcendence of normal consciousness, a trance-like state, or bliss during meditation.  Ecstasy can be deliberately induced through meditation, chanting, music, dancing, creativity, sexual intercourse or psychotropic drugs.  


Blissful chant - Om Namah Shivaya (Krishna Das)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0xo4TIfiOY


Meditation experiences
 
Q.  When I meditate I feel a certain bliss at times.  On such occasions, should I ask myself,  “Who is it that experiences this bliss?”

Ramana Maharshi:  If it is the real bliss of the Self that is experienced, that is, if the mind has really merged in the Self, such a doubt will not arise at all. The question itself shows real bliss was not reached.  All doubts will cease only when the doubter and his source have been found.  There is no use removing doubts one by one.  If we clear one doubt, another doubt will arise and there will be no end of doubts.  But if, by seeking the source of the doubter, the doubter is found to be really non-existent, then all doubts will cease.


Spaciousness, Beingness, Surrender


I’m calling these emotions, because they can be perceived.  The Original Nature is beyond words, and perhaps the emotions are too.  An attempt at describing this could be having no boundaries, infinite, love, peace, bliss, joy, freedom, tenderness.


Blessings,
Linda


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Rad on Apr 06, 2012, 07:17 AM
Hi Upasika and Linda,

What you have both listed here are not emotions as such other than restating hysteria, disillusionment, esctacy. What you have listed are a variety of psychological archetypes and manifestations that correlate with Neptune. On that list there is one that does connect to a pure emotion that correlates to Neptune, Pisces, and the 12th House that very, very few people understand or know about. When you listed feeling 'duped, naive, stupid" that is a psychological dynamics. Yet the pure emotion of it that can lead to that psychology is one wherein the Soul ASSUMES THAT ALL SOULS SIMPLY WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING, ASSUMES THAT ALL PEOPLE ARE WHOM THEY APPEAR TO BE, ASSUMES THAT ALL OTHER SOULS DO NOT DO HARMFUL OR BAD THINGS TO IT'S OWN SELF. This archetype here is one of EMOTIONAL ASSUMPTIONS. These kinds of emotional assumptions emanate from the natural psychological purity or innocence contained within the Pisces, Neptune, 12th House archetype. And it is this kind of emotion that can then lead to feeling stupid, duped, naive, disillusioned and so on.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Linda on Apr 06, 2012, 04:47 PM
Hi Rad,

For evolution to take place through the emotions, is it essential that all three types of emotions pertaining to the "water trinity" (Pisces, Scorpio, Cancer) be activated?  

Thank you.

Linda


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Upasika on Apr 06, 2012, 04:57 PM
Hi Linda & Rad,

Thanks for extending the list Linda and the quotes from Ramana. I had also been thinking afterwards of the various positive Neptunian "emotions" such as: "gratitude" for the beauty and goodness of the universe, "awe" at the vastness of creation, "peace" and "bliss" that arise from meditating. I did feel however that in places I was possibly describing psychological states, or simply feelings (which are different to emotions) rather than emotions as such.

So thanks for re-aligning us with the essential basics of Neptune emotion Rad.

So we're down to core Neptunian emotions of: disillusionment, hysteria, empathy, emotional assumptions and ecstasy - all of which are either derived from various psychological states associated with Neptune, or will lead to various psychological states associated with Neptune. I take it this is closer to being correct...

blessings Upasika



Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Linda on Apr 06, 2012, 05:29 PM
Hi Upasika,

It's great having you here more actively again!

Love,

Linda


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Upasika on Apr 06, 2012, 10:18 PM
Thanks Linda !

When I get the chance I also really enjoy being involved again.
Nice too, to connect you with :)

blessings Upasika



Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Rad on Apr 07, 2012, 06:59 AM
Hi Linda,

Yes .........

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Rad on Apr 07, 2012, 07:08 AM
Hi Upasika,

I would like to say too that it's wonderful to have you back and participating on our mb. You have always been a great contributor when your health situation has allowed. Whatever your health situation is about I certainly wish that you can be healed to the maximum extent that is possible.

God Bless you,

Rad


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Upasika on Apr 07, 2012, 05:29 PM
Hi Rad,

Thanks so much for your deeply healing support, I'm very touched by it...

I do love being able to particpate with all the beautiful souls here, it's so nourishing and I've missed not being more involved. Health is slowly improving so hopefully in a couple of months or so I will be able to jump in more with everyone - I'm really hoping so, to me this community is a special gift, a real oasis.

many blessings,
Upasika


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Stacie on Apr 08, 2012, 04:27 AM
Hi All,

The emotional purity/simplicity Rad describes reminds me of the healing power of animal therapy.  A few examples that come to mind are things like volunteers bringing dogs/cats and various animals to visit residents of nursing homes and similar institutions.  Another example would be the cat adoption program that is utilized in some prisons where inmates can earn the privilege of adopting a cat, who then lives with the inmate in their cell (this is so emotionally healing for many inmates).  Also there is the profound influence that animals tend to have in drawing people out of their social shells..its amazing how readily people let their guard down when and because an animal is present--strangers readily approaching other strangers to connect in a spirit of good will, when they might otherwise just look the other way and pass each other on the street.  The emotional purity of animals seems to have a very powerful resonance in the human soul.  It seems to reflect the One Spirit that is conscious in all living beings, and as humans encounter the emotional purity of animals there tends to be an unspoken, unembellished connection which becomes emotionally accessible within the human..and thus why so profoundly comforting and therapeutic to the complex human emotional structure.

Music is another example I think of that resonates with the emotional simplicity of neptune/pisces..it can also be deeply healing and emotionally affirming by connecting on this level.

Would the experience of emotional desperation be a neptunian emotion or psychology?  

While not an actual neptunian 'emotion', I thought it would be relevant to mention the phenomenon of emotional hypersensitivity, where one unconsciously osmoses emotional content from the external environment and then feels, experiences, and/or assumes the osmosed emotion as one's own...necessitating conscious self-reflective emotional discernment.

Happy Easter
Stacie


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Rad on Apr 08, 2012, 07:24 AM
Hi Stacie,

Thanks for posting those comments. In the spirit of your comments I ran across the below article on Orangutangs at a zoo in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. It reflects the very spirit, and purity of emotions, of which you write. God Bless, Rad

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Milwaukee Zoo arranges iPad ‘play dates’ for oragutans in other zoos

By Agence France-Presse
Friday, April 6, 2012 14:15 EDT

The young orangutan reaches his hand through the cage and rubs his knuckles over an iPad, drawing wide colors across the screen with his favorite app.

A few minutes later, Mahal presses his face up against the mesh, stretches out his long tongue and taps the screen to make it light up and play his favorite song, “Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star.”

Soon Mahal and the two other orangutans at the Milwaukee, Wisconsin county zoo will be able to use their iPad for something even more exciting: “play dates” with orangutans at other zoos and wildlife preserves.

They’re already fascinated by videos of orangutans they’ve watched on the tablet. Their keepers are hoping a live video feed will be even more engaging.

“We’re excited to see where that goes,” said Trish Kahn, the zoo’s primate coordinator.

“It could be they don’t care at all, but, from what I understand of them, I think they’re definitely going to be able to understand this is real time and they’re looking at another orangutan.”

Nearly a year after the zoo introduced iPads as a form of enrichment, the primate building is being rewired for wifi so the orangutans can have their play dates and the public can watch them on a webcam.

Several other zoos have also introduced tablets to primates with the help of the non-profit Orangutan Outreach, which launched the “Apps for Apes” campaign after seeing how much the Milwaukee orangutans enjoyed playing with the iPads.

The goal is twofold: to bring a powerful new enrichment activity to the orangutans and to get zoo visitors engaged in the fight to protect an endangered species.

“It’s really important for the public to connect with these animals because we’re losing them in the wild — they’re facing extinction,” Kahn told AFP.

“For me the most important thing is for people to recognize these are sentient beings that are so incredible, that have all these wonderful adaptations and a profound brain.”

So in addition to the playtime in their private feeding area, the zoo also offers iPad enrichment in the public viewing area, where volunteer Scott Engel shows them videos through the thick glass.

Crowds of people are drawn to Engel and pepper him with questions about the orangutans and the iPad.

They laugh when he tells them that Mahal likes to watch penguin videos while his adoptive mother MJ hankers for BBC nature shows by David Attenborough.

They lean in to take pictures when MJ taps on the glass to get Engel to start the next video.

And they listen when he tells them how orangutans are losing their natural habits as rainforests in Indonesia are burned to make way for palm oil plantations.

Engel, a freelance photographer who has been visiting the zoo to hone his craft for years, got the program going as a bit of a lark after a doctored photo of a gorilla playing with an iPad made the rounds online.

He made contact with the Milwaukee zoo’s gorilla keeper over Facebook and offered to donate his old iPad after he upgraded to the iPad 3.

Now, he’s coming to the zoo several times a week to show the orangutans videos — many of which he shoots himself.

“It’s just amazing to make a connection with an animal,” Engel said. “They can brighten your day.”

Mahal will raise his hands and clap when he sees Engel and likes to play peek-a-boo by bending under the window frame.

MJ taps her forehead to get Engel to show her the top of his head, or points to her eyes to get him to wipe his face for her.

The most special moments, Engel said, come when the zoo’s introverted and somewhat anxious 30-year-old male orangutan comes out of his corner to say hello.

Tommy used to spend most of his days out of sight or with his back to the window.

But he’s excited about the iPad, and having Engel stand outside his window seems to have made Tommy more interested in watching other people as they lean in to get a look at his long orange fur and flat black face.

“To see him out and about and engaging and not hiding in his corner is wonderful to us,” Kahn said. “He’s incredible, and we want people to see him.”

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Orangutans watch a video on an iPad held up to the glass of their enclosure at Milwaukee County Zoo. Zoo keepers have been using iPads as enrichment tools for nearly a year now and is retrofiting their building with wifi so the playful primates can soon have 'playdates' with orangutans at other zoos using livestreaming video applications like FaceTime. (AFP Photo/Mira Oberman)
Topics: ipad ♦ Scott Engel


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Rad on Apr 09, 2012, 06:34 AM
Hi Linda,

The emotion of desperation correlates to Capricorn, the 10th House, and Saturn.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Linda on Apr 17, 2012, 05:01 PM
Hi Rad,

Below I've prepared a succinct outline of my understanding of how the water trinity makes evolution possible.  Could I please run this by you?  I'm sure I'm not grasping something somewhere, especially what constitutes an "emotion."  

Evolution takes place within the water trinity made up of:

Pisces/Neptune/12th house: the unmanifest, the Supreme, God/Goddess, Brahmin, the unchangeable, unalterable, consciousness, the ocean.

Scorpio/Pluto/8th house:  the individualized Soul that is created by the Divine;  the Soul has been thru many lifetimes and carries within it all the wounds, blocks and sins that need purging, healing and transformation.

Cancer/Moon/4th house:  this is the personal egocentric structure (the ego, body/mind) created by the Soul. It is how one can "consciously" see one's Soul's desires for purification, growth and evolution. This egocentric structure shows where one has been "stuck" for a long time.

Evolution is possible only through WATER......the EMOTIONS.........therefore through all three aspects of the water trinity:

Neptune : (the Divine Ocean, God/Goddess) disillusionment, hysteria, empathy, ecstasy (once a commitment has been made to the Divine), and emotional assumptions emanating from natural purity or innocence (where the Soul assumes that people are what they appear to be, that they are not harmful or do bad things to the Self).

Scorpio : (Pluto = the Soul itself) feelings of betrayal, abandonment, loss, violations of trust; irrational emotional behaviour that is vindictive;  a need to merge, penetrate and unite with transformative symbols therefore a form of ecstasy, emotional withdrawal, emotional manipulation, using sexuality in a spiritual way.

Cancer : (the egocentric structure) emotional intensity, emotionally demanding, depression, optimism, emotional manipulation, insecurity, defensiveness, cruel/vindictive, empathy, sympathy, nurturing.

We could say that the egocentric structure (Cancer) of the Soul becomes transformed (Pluto) so as to align us with our True Source/Essence (Neptune)....God/Goddess.

I look forward to any corrections, and for my understanding to be transformed.

Thanks and blessings,

Linda


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Stacie on Apr 18, 2012, 03:07 AM
Hi Rad,

I need some help understanding how/why desperation correlates to saturn/cap/10th house.  to me desperation seems directly linked to the dissolution process occuring via neptune/pisces/12th, i.e. desperation being a problematic reaction when there is resistence..impatience..exhaustion..giving up..etc within the process.  The emotional basis of desperation is loss of hope.  The phenomenon of hope or loss of hope is pisces. 

I do see a connection to capricorn in terms of something being restricted over time in order to enforce lessons of determination, responsibility, perserverence.  Would this be the primary linkage?

Perhaps desperation is similar to depression, where the evolutionary function itself is rooted in capricorn yet shares a direct connection to pisces?  Anything you can offer to help me straighten out this point of confusion is appreciated very much.

Stacie


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Rad on Apr 18, 2012, 07:34 AM
Hi Rad,

I need some help understanding how/why desperation correlates to saturn/cap/10th house.  to me desperation seems directly linked to the dissolution process occuring via neptune/pisces/12th, i.e. desperation being a problematic reaction when there is resistence..impatience..exhaustion..giving up..etc within the process.  The emotional basis of desperation is loss of hope.  The phenomenon of hope or loss of hope is pisces. 

I do see a connection to capricorn in terms of something being restricted over time in order to enforce lessons of determination, responsibility, perserverence.  Would this be the primary linkage?

Perhaps desperation is similar to depression, where the evolutionary function itself is rooted in capricorn yet shares a direct connection to pisces?  Anything you can offer to help me straighten out this point of confusion is appreciated very much.

Stacie

Hi Stacie,

Desperation is a deepening of the the psychology linked with futility and defeat with no apparent way out. The loss of hope or the psychology of hopelessness then follows or is triggered relative to the psychology of desperation, and the emotion that this specific psychology generates. All things or dynamics within the totality of consciousness of course interact within and upon themselves. Thus, the psychology, and the emotions that are linked with specific psychological states, of that which correlates to Capricorn, the 10th House, and Saturn triggers or causes the psychological/ emotional dynamics or states that correlate with Pisces, Neptune, and the 12th House in the example that we are discussing here. And visa-versa.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Rad on Apr 18, 2012, 08:48 AM
Hi Linda,

Hi Rad,

Below I've prepared a succinct outline of my understanding of how the water trinity makes evolution possible.  Could I please run this by you?  I'm sure I'm not grasping something somewhere, especially what constitutes an "emotion."  

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Emotions and feelings are reactions to specific psychological conditions, dynamics, and states within consciousness itself. If the bottom line circumstances for my life, for example, correlate to having no options to change my life conditions that can of course correlate to the psychological condition or dynamic of futility, defeat, anxiety, and desperation. The Soul within all of us will then have an emotional reaction to those specific psychological states: the EMOTION of desperation, futility, and defeat. In essence the totality of psychological states, dynamics, or conditions that can exist with the Soul, within the consciousness of the Soul, all correlate with the specific emotions of those states, conditions, or dynamics.

This is why it can be hard to distinguish or discriminate the difference between a psychological dynamic and the emotions that are inherent to those dynamics. Again, emotions or feelings are the INSTINCTUAL REACTIONS to specific psychological dynamics, conditions, or states.  we can easily understand the psychology of desperation for example, and describe it through words. Yet it can then be very difficult to put into words the actual EMOTION OR FEELING OF DESPERATION because the actual emotions of desperation are beyond words. It's like the emotion of love. You can try to put all kinds of words around it, to try to describe it, yet it is something beyond any descriptive words. That which is beyond descriptive words is that which correlates to what we call emotions or feelings.

When we are in love, or are experiencing the emotion of desperation, we know what that feels like within us, yet to put into words what that actual emotion or feeling is like is very difficult because they are beyond words. And yet we know what it is beyond words: emotions and feelings.


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Evolution takes place within the water trinity made up of:

Pisces/Neptune/12th house: the unmanifest, the Supreme, God/Goddess, Brahmin, the unchangeable, unalterable, consciousness, the ocean.

Scorpio/Pluto/8th house:  the individualized Soul that is created by the Divine;  the Soul has been thru many lifetimes and carries within it all the wounds, blocks and sins that need purging, healing and transformation.

Cancer/Moon/4th house:  this is the personal egocentric structure (the ego, body/mind) created by the Soul. It is how one can "consciously" see one's Soul's desires for purification, growth and evolution. This egocentric structure shows where one has been "stuck" for a long time.

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The core underlying archetypes within this natural trinity simply correlate (a) to the Origin of the Soul, (b) the Soul's inherent individuality that has been caused by that Origin, (c) and the Soul's individual orientation to itself and that which has caused it to be Created in the first place.

The operative dynamics caused by the Origin of all of this is DESIRE where desire is the determinant of the natural laws of evolution whose root is to desire to identify with the Origin of the Soul itself. Relative to this root the various attributes reflected in your words above can occur yet those words are only partial manifestations of all kinds of other attributes that can manifest relative to this root.


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"Evolution is possible only through WATER......the EMOTIONS.........therefore through all three aspects of the water trinity:"

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Evolution is possible only through the vehicle and dynamic of DESIRES. Emotions correlate with water because they are inherently formless. Whatever structure we put water within it will then assume the shape and function of that form, yet in not limited to that form and it's function. Various psychological states, like desperation, correlate with their own 'shape' and 'form'. Thus water, emotions, that manifest through that form assume it's shape and function: the emotions that are specific to the the psychology of desperation. Emotions, like water, correlate to memories. Memories linked with emotions correlate to that which has come before. That which has come before correlates, obviously, to a past: the past of any given Soul.

The emotional memories of a Soul's past, which themselves have been caused by desires, is that which can hold the Soul to that past. This is why the Soul evolves through the emotional body, in total, relative to the emotional memories of it's past and how these memories interface with the ongoing evolutionary desires manifesting, at any moment in time, that creates their own psychological dynamics and states which, in turn, trigger the emotional dynamics that are intrinsic to those dynamics and states. Triggering these new emotional dynamics will thus create new memories when acted upon than then interface with the old memories from the past. In this way the Soul evolves through the emotional body in total.


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Neptune : (the Divine Ocean, God/Goddess) disillusionment, hysteria, empathy, ecstasy (once a commitment has been made to the Divine), and emotional assumptions emanating from natural purity or innocence (where the Soul assumes that people are what they appear to be, that they are not harmful or do bad things to the Self).

Scorpio : (Pluto = the Soul itself) feelings of betrayal, abandonment, loss, violations of trust; irrational emotional behaviour that is vindictive;  a need to merge, penetrate and unite with transformative symbols therefore a form of ecstasy, emotional withdrawal, emotional manipulation, using sexuality in a spiritual way.

Cancer : (the egocentric structure) emotional intensity, emotionally demanding, depression, optimism, emotional manipulation, insecurity, defensiveness, cruel/vindictive, empathy, sympathy, nurturing.

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All of the emotions that you are listing above are reactions to the specific psychological states or dynamics that correlate with those emotions. And, again, those emotional/ psychological states that you are listing are not exhaustive to the totality of all the archetypes that correlate with Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces, Neptune, Moon, Pluto, the 4th, 8th, or 12th Houses.

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We could say that the egocentric structure (Cancer) of the Soul becomes transformed (Pluto) so as to align us with our True Source/Essence (Neptune)....God/Goddess.

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Yes.

I look forward to any corrections, and for my understanding to be transformed.

Thanks and blessings,

Linda

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Kristin on Apr 18, 2012, 10:54 AM
Rad,

I just want to share here how incredible this thread is..thank you Linda for initiating this discussion!!!

Rad what you shared in your comments on this thread just hits it all out of the park for me..you cannot find anything like this anywhere..the depth ..the truth..the understanding..you were able to describe the indescribable..I finally get it in a way I never have..it's as if the way you wrote all of this pierced through my center..bypassed the brain totally..the EA teachings just continue to blow me away..THANK YOU from the bottom of my SOUL!

With gratitude and love..
Kristin


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Stacie on Apr 18, 2012, 01:15 PM
Thank you Rad, the correlation of desperation to saturn/cap/10th house is now clear for me.  I'd also like to second Kristin's comments, in that the depth of truth available here is a rare blessing that we are being given.  I too am grateful for the access we have to this depth of wisdom..the wisdom of natural law..and for the responsiveness by which it is shared.

Namaste
Stacie


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Linda on Apr 18, 2012, 03:53 PM
Hi Rad,

Along with Kristin and Stacie, I too am deeply grateful for what you have taught and shared here on this thread, and throughout the whole messageboard!

Your teachings here are causing, finally, "the penny to drop!"  EA makes the truth of natural/universal laws graspable and understandable.

I want to commend you for your depth of insight and your unsurpassed careful ability with words to describe and teach the indescribable: the process of evolution as created by the Divine.

Over the past year, I have been re-reading the bountiful contents of the messageboard which has resulted in a deeper understanding of EA. I recommend this to others. The bounty continues with the addition of the threads made possible by Adina.

My Soul acknowledges the grace that imbues this teaching, and also recognizes the special purpose of this whole EA community.

With gratitude and blessings,

Linda

 


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Steve on Apr 20, 2012, 05:14 AM
Rad,

What you wrote about emotion and its relationship with the Soul's memories of its past is truly profound. 

Jeffrey taught about the distinction between emotion and feelings.  Could you speak about feelings from a  perspective similar to what you said about emotion, and discuss the difference between feeling and emotion from that perspective?
thank you
Steve


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Rad on Apr 20, 2012, 07:00 AM
Hi Steve,

"Jeffrey taught about the distinction between emotion and feelings.  Could you speak about feelings from a  perspective similar to what you said about emotion, and discuss the difference between feeling and emotion from that perspective?"

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Feelings very simply are the precursors to our emotions: they correlate with an instinctual reaction to an environmental stimulus of some kind. Our emotions are then a RESPONSE to those instinctual feelings, and thus much deeper: they are indeed the cause of the instinctual feelings themselves.

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God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Steve on Apr 20, 2012, 09:56 AM
Feelings very simply are the precursors to our emotions: they correlate with an instinctual reaction to an environmental stimulus of some kind. Our emotions are then a RESPONSE to those instinctual feelings, and thus much deeper: they are indeed the cause of the instinctual feelings themselves.

Hi - when I read this I had the visual image of an iceberg - the upper visible part is feelings.  The much deeper and larger submerged part is emotion - would that be accurate?    That fits what you said that emotions are the cause of the instinctual feelings - the visible part of the iceberg can not exist without the submerged part, yet all you see is the visible part until you delve further into it. Experiencing the feelings itself starts a process that leads to underlying emotion - some through Saturnian reflection, pondering, on the initial instinctive reaction, the feelings, opening the door to memory connections, to emotion?
thank you


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Rad on Apr 20, 2012, 11:38 AM
Hi Steve,

Yes, the image of the iceberg is perfect.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Steve on Apr 20, 2012, 02:47 PM
This is very helpful.
thank you
Steve


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Stacie on Apr 22, 2012, 02:40 AM
Hi All,  

I couldn't help myself from sharing this image that I captured yesterday.  When I initially uploaded this to my computer and connected with the dove's eyes, I was utterly struck by the essence of emotional purity that we were talking about earlier. (He's wondering what I'm doing down there with that black clicky thing ;-)

Anyhow I thought it would be nice to include a dimension of imagery to what we discussed.

Blessings,
Stacie

(http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/yy21/plutodove/birds/emotional_purity.jpg)


Title: Re: Neptune and evolution
Post by: Rad on Apr 22, 2012, 07:29 AM
Hi Stacie,

Thanks for that. Emotional purity indeed.

God Bless, Rad