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Title: Astrology 101 questions (as taught within EA)
Post by: Henrik on Oct 01, 2012, 06:06 AM
Hi everyone.

I wanted to ask if we could have a thread for EA beginners, like myself, where we could ask questions that are not specifically a part of the “core EA principles”, but that never-the-less may be taught within EA? That said, I encourage everyone to check out Ari’s “EA handout” with the core principles as a PDF-file. You find it under the “Study Materials” --> “Materials”. A perfect thing to have handy on the desktop.

The reason I did not ask the questions below on the new practice thread is that I do not want to “clutter” it with a variety of questions that may not be relevant to that thread.
Here’s an example of such a question that I’m hoping someone can answer.

Does one qualify what degree a planet is in? For example Moon in Pisces, 0 degrees.
If yes, how? Do we, for example, view this in a way where this person “feels” unaccustomed to the energy of the sign…sort of like it is new because of the 0 degrees?
Do we in any way assume anything about the past, solely on the basis of a planet being in a certain degree in a sign? Or even simply a planet being in a sign?

In the Moon Workshop, JWG says that: “Commonly, the Capricorn Moon person has, from a prior life point of view, come through families which have been very large families…” Unfortunately, I couldn’t make out if he was referring to a case they were talking about earlier in this workshop or if he was making a general statement about the Moon being in Capricorn. So, I’m wondering if we can say certain things about a person’s past, solely on the basis of a planet (in this case Moon) in a sign…and also if the degree (by and of itself without the help of all the other factors in the chart)?

All the best,
Henrik



Title: Re: Astrology 101 questions (as taught within EA)
Post by: Rad on Oct 01, 2012, 07:10 AM
Hi everyone.

I wanted to ask if we could have a thread for EA beginners, like myself, where we could ask questions that are not specifically a part of the “core EA principles”, but that never-the-less may be taught within EA? That said, I encourage everyone to check out Ari’s “EA handout” with the core principles as a PDF-file. You find it under the “Study Materials” --> “Materials”. A perfect thing to have handy on the desktop.

The reason I did not ask the questions below on the new practice thread is that I do not want to “clutter” it with a variety of questions that may not be relevant to that thread.
Here’s an example of such a question that I’m hoping someone can answer.

Does one qualify what degree a planet is in? For example Moon in Pisces, 0 degrees.
If yes, how? Do we, for example, view this in a way where this person “feels” unaccustomed to the energy of the sign…sort of like it is new because of the 0 degrees?
Do we in any way assume anything about the past, solely on the basis of a planet being in a certain degree in a sign? Or even simply a planet being in a sign?

In the Moon Workshop, JWG says that: “Commonly, the Capricorn Moon person has, from a prior life point of view, come through families which have been very large families…” Unfortunately, I couldn’t make out if he was referring to a case they were talking about earlier in this workshop or if he was making a general statement about the Moon being in Capricorn. So, I’m wondering if we can say certain things about a person’s past, solely on the basis of a planet (in this case Moon) in a sign…and also if the degree (by and of itself without the help of all the other factors in the chart)?

All the best,
Henrik


Hi Henrik,

To understand any one symbol in a birth chart one must understand the totality of that birth chart in order to understand the individual context that then allows for an understanding of any one symbol within it. One can not make generalized statements about any one symbol that applies to all. The individual context is essential to understanding anything, and that starts with the EA paradigm itself, the evolutionary condition of the Soul, and the sociocultural place of birth.

Within any sign there of course are thirty degrees. When a symbol is at the zero degrees or within a degree or two of that, generally this correlates to a new evolutionary cycle of development relative to that symbol. Yet one must understand the entire EA paradigm, the whole chart, to know WHY that symbol is in a new evolutionary development. So too with a symbol at the end of that 30 degrees. This of course correlates to dynamics that are culminating. But, again, the need to know the entire EA paradigm and the rest of the chart is essential to know WHY that is.

Within this to know why and what specifically is new or culminating is to know the entire EA context of any given Soul.

Every sign has a natural trinity within it i.e. Aries has Aries, Leo, and Sagittarius. All signs have they natural trinities wherein the first ten degrees is specific to the natural planetary ruler of that sign, the next ten degrees correlates with the natural planetary ruler of the sign that is now combined with the planetary ruler of the sign of the next ten degrees, and the last ten degrees correlates to the natural planetary ruler of the sign now combined with the natural planetary ruler of the sign of that last ten degrees.

In essence, there is a natural evolution with the signs, and any given  symbol can of course be anywhere within a sign and it's degrees. To know why any given symbol is whatever sign and degree is to know the entire EA signature of any given Soul's individual evolutionary context.

Within the context of EA anyone is free to ask whatever questions they have.

Soon I will be starting a new thread that focuses on what JWG called the Planetary Method Of Chart Interpretation. This method is a very methodical method that starts with the EA paradigm first, then methodically goes through the placement of each planet, by house, sign, degree, that correlates the EA intention of a Soul relative to the EA paradigm itself that includes the specific evolutionary condition of the Soul, and the sociocultural place of birth, and why.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: Astrology 101 questions (as taught within EA)
Post by: Henrik on Oct 01, 2012, 09:26 AM
Thank you Rad.

To see if I understand,within 10-19 degrees of Sagitarius, there is an element of the Leo archetype, combined with Sagitarius? So any fire sign, would have the same progression Aries (0-9),Leo (10-19),Sagitarius (20-29) that is combined with what ever sign we are looking at?

Looking forward to the new thread.

All the best,
Henrik


Title: Re: Astrology 101 questions (as taught within EA)
Post by: Rad on Oct 01, 2012, 11:31 AM
Thank you Rad.

To see if I understand,within 10-19 degrees of Sagitarius, there is an element of the Leo archetype, combined with Sagitarius? So any fire sign, would have the same progression Aries (0-9),Leo (10-19),Sagitarius (20-29) that is combined with what ever sign we are looking at?

Looking forward to the new thread.

All the best,
Henrik


Hi Henrik,

In the Sagittarius example the first ten degrees are Sagittarius with it's natural ruler Jupiter. The second ten degrees, 11 to the end of 19 would be Aries which of course is ruled by Mars, and the last ten would be Leo with the Sun. This then reflects the natural progression of the trinity of signs within any given sign.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: Astrology 101 questions (as taught within EA)
Post by: Wendy on Oct 01, 2012, 11:45 AM
Within the context of EA anyone is free to ask whatever questions they have.

Soon I will be starting a new thread that focuses on what JWG called the Planetary Method Of Chart Interpretation. This method is a very methodical method that starts with the EA paradigm first, then methodically goes through the placement of each planet, by house, sign, degree, that correlates the EA intention of a Soul relative to the EA paradigm itself that includes the specific evolutionary condition of the Soul, and the sociocultural place of birth, and why.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

I am happy to read this.  I would like to participate in this new thread and I have a question about a chart, and wasn't sure where to post it.  I will ask it here, and let me know if I should move it.  Thanks.

The question is SN Libra in the 12th, Pluto Virgo rx in the 11th and NN in 6th conjunct Saturn Venus, with Mars in Taurus in the 7th trines Pluto.  Because the ruler of SN is conjunct NN and expressed via Mars in the 7th, I am confused when I look at the chart.

When I look at NN and see Saturn--NN-Venus, relative to SN Libra--this tells me the context of the soul's expression of Venus in previous lives, right?  Venus is in semi-square to Mars.  I believe what trips me up is SN scenario is now conjunct NN--that means soul has bypassed addressing this issue...similar to skipped step?

I know we have addressed this numerous times on the forum, and I apologize for asking again.  Maybe I can type up the basic nodal scenarios and we could post it here on the forum for easy reference?

Nice to be here with all of you again.

God'dess Bless,

Wendy


Title: Re: Astrology 101 questions (as taught within EA)
Post by: Wendy on Oct 01, 2012, 11:46 AM
Thank you Rad.

To see if I understand,within 10-19 degrees of Sagitarius, there is an element of the Leo archetype, combined with Sagitarius? So any fire sign, would have the same progression Aries (0-9),Leo (10-19),Sagitarius (20-29) that is combined with what ever sign we are looking at?

Looking forward to the new thread.

All the best,
Henrik


Hi Henrik,

In the Sagittarius example the first ten degrees are Sagittarius with it's natural ruler Jupiter. The second ten degrees, 11 to the end of 19 would be Aries which of course is ruled by Mars, and the last ten would be Leo with the Sun. This then reflects the natural progression of the trinity of signs within any given sign.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Henrik and Rad,

So if the degrees were in the sign of Leo at 17, the first 1-10 would be Leo, the second 11-20 Sagittarius and the third 21-30 Aries--like a rotation?

Wendy


Title: Re: Astrology 101 questions (as taught within EA)
Post by: Henrik on Oct 01, 2012, 11:54 AM
Thanks again Rad.

(This reply has been modified by me).
Thank you for the clarification. Interestingly, this was my first "gut" thought, but I later let my left brain get the best of me...

With the risk of asking another stupid question :)
Since you mention the planetary rulers, do you mean that wherever we find them...what sign and house there in and whatever aspekts they are making would combine with let's Sag 15 degrees (as an example)?

Are you referring to when we find any planet in let's say 15 degrees Sag...that we would then combine the archetypal meaning of that planet and the archtypal meaning of Sagitariius with that of the planetary ruler of Aries (Mars) and to look at where it is in the chart and what aspects it's making?

If I'm off track, can you give an example of how to use this?

Maybee I'm just not getting it at all...

Thanks for your patience...

All the best,
Henrik


Title: Re: Astrology 101 questions (as taught within EA)
Post by: Karola on Oct 01, 2012, 03:37 PM


Hi Henrik,

To understand any one symbol in a birth chart one must understand the totality of that birth chart in order to understand the individual context that then allows for an understanding of any one symbol within it. One can not make generalized statements about any one symbol that applies to all. The individual context is essential to understanding anything, and that starts with the EA paradigm itself, the evolutionary condition of the Soul, and the sociocultural place of birth.

Within any sign there of course are thirty degrees. When a symbol is at the zero degrees or within a degree or two of that, generally this correlates to a new evolutionary cycle of development relative to that symbol. Yet one must understand the entire EA paradigm, the whole chart, to know WHY that symbol is in a new evolutionary development. So too with a symbol at the end of that 30 degrees. This of course correlates to dynamics that are culminating. But, again, the need to know the entire EA paradigm and the rest of the chart is essential to know WHY that is.

Within this to know why and what specifically is new or culminating is to know the entire EA context of any given Soul.

Every sign has a natural trinity within it i.e. Aries has Aries, Leo, and Sagittarius. All signs have they natural trinities wherein the first ten degrees is specific to the natural planetary ruler of that sign, the next ten degrees correlates with the natural planetary ruler of the sign that is now combined with the planetary ruler of the sign of the next ten degrees, and the last ten degrees correlates to the natural planetary ruler of the sign now combined with the natural planetary ruler of the sign of that last ten degrees.

In essence, there is a natural evolution with the signs, and any given  symbol can of course be anywhere within a sign and it's degrees. To know why any given symbol is whatever sign and degree is to know the entire EA signature of any given Soul's individual evolutionary context.

Within the context of EA anyone is free to ask whatever questions they have.

Soon I will be starting a new thread that focuses on what JWG called the Planetary Method Of Chart Interpretation. This method is a very methodical method that starts with the EA paradigm first, then methodically goes through the placement of each planet, by house, sign, degree, that correlates the EA intention of a Soul relative to the EA paradigm itself that includes the specific evolutionary condition of the Soul, and the sociocultural place of birth, and why.

God Bless, Rad
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Hi Rad,

how is it in the case of the Nodes? Because the Nodes move clockwise, 29° of a sign would then actually be the first degree of that sign. Is this right?

Are the rulers of the trinity (0-9, 10-19, 20-29) within a sign are the same as in the case of planets?


God Bless, Karola


Title: Re: Astrology 101 questions (as taught within EA)
Post by: Rad on Oct 02, 2012, 06:58 AM
Within the context of EA anyone is free to ask whatever questions they have.

Soon I will be starting a new thread that focuses on what JWG called the Planetary Method Of Chart Interpretation. This method is a very methodical method that starts with the EA paradigm first, then methodically goes through the placement of each planet, by house, sign, degree, that correlates the EA intention of a Soul relative to the EA paradigm itself that includes the specific evolutionary condition of the Soul, and the sociocultural place of birth, and why.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Rad,

I am happy to read this.  I would like to participate in this new thread and I have a question about a chart, and wasn't sure where to post it.  I will ask it here, and let me know if I should move it.  Thanks.

The question is SN Libra in the 12th, Pluto Virgo rx in the 11th and NN in 6th conjunct Saturn Venus, with Mars in Taurus in the 7th trines Pluto.  Because the ruler of SN is conjunct NN and expressed via Mars in the 7th, I am confused when I look at the chart.

When I look at NN and see Saturn--NN-Venus, relative to SN Libra--this tells me the context of the soul's expression of Venus in previous lives, right?  

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Yes

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Venus is in semi-square to Mars.  I believe what trips me up is SN scenario is now conjunct NN--that means soul has bypassed addressing this issue...similar to skipped step?

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No. This means that such a Soul has already evolving the S.Node issues through the N.Node previous to the current life, and is MEANT to continue in that ongoing evolution.

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I know we have addressed this numerous times on the forum, and I apologize for asking again.  Maybe I can type up the basic nodal scenarios and we could post it here on the forum for easy reference?

***************

Very soon we will be making available to our message board members, and to the general public, a tremendous work that Linda has done wherein she has compiled the entire message board and broken it down into specific subjects in which all the thread related to that subject is put together in one place. Thus, all the various threads that are linked with the Nodes is put together into one cohesive whole. This was a tireless work by Linda that she took upon herself to do simply as a service to EA in general, and our message board specifically.

***************

Nice to have you back Wendy.

God Bless, Rad



Title: Re: Astrology 101 questions (as taught within EA)
Post by: Rad on Oct 02, 2012, 07:02 AM
Thank you Rad.

To see if I understand,within 10-19 degrees of Sagitarius, there is an element of the Leo archetype, combined with Sagitarius? So any fire sign, would have the same progression Aries (0-9),Leo (10-19),Sagitarius (20-29) that is combined with what ever sign we are looking at?

Looking forward to the new thread.

All the best,
Henrik


Hi Henrik,

In the Sagittarius example the first ten degrees are Sagittarius with it's natural ruler Jupiter. The second ten degrees, 11 to the end of 19 would be Aries which of course is ruled by Mars, and the last ten would be Leo with the Sun. This then reflects the natural progression of the trinity of signs within any given sign.

God Bless, Rad

Hi Henrik and Rad,

So if the degrees were in the sign of Leo at 17, the first 1-10 would be Leo, the second 11-20 Sagittarius and the third 21-30 Aries--like a rotation?

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No, just a natural progression based on the natural trinity within any given sign where the natural progression starts with the Sign itself, and it's natural planetary ruler.

*************

God Bless, Rad




Title: Re: Astrology 101 questions (as taught within EA)
Post by: Rad on Oct 02, 2012, 07:15 AM
Thanks again Rad.

(This reply has been modified by me).
Thank you for the clarification. Interestingly, this was my first "gut" thought, but I later let my left brain get the best of me...

With the risk of asking another stupid question :)
Since you mention the planetary rulers, do you mean that wherever we find them...what sign and house there in and whatever aspekts they are making would combine with let's Sag 15 degrees (as an example)?

**************

No. These are simply natural archetypes reflected and symbolized by the natural trinity within any given sign. So, for example, if a Soul has a planet at 15 degrees of Sagittarius that will manifest, archetypically, as a combination of Sagittarius and Jupiter combined with Aries and Mars where the lead point is Sagittarius and Jupiter itself in which Aries and Mars are now adding to it.

***************

Are you referring to when we find any planet in let's say 15 degrees Sag...that we would then combine the archetypal meaning of that planet and the archtypal meaning of Sagitariius with that of the planetary ruler of Aries (Mars) and to look at where it is in the chart and what aspects it's making?

************

Thus, far I have simply been talking about the natural trinity that exists with any given sign as archetypes. See my previous answer about this. In the example you are citing here one does not then look to where the natal Mars is.

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If I'm off track, can you give an example of how to use this?

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If a person has say Venus at 15 Sagittarius then that Venus is not only being conditioned by the archetypes of Sagittarius and Jupiter, but also the archetypes of Aries and Mars where Sagittarius and Jupiter are the baseline, the lead archetypes, in which the Aries and Mars are added onto.

*************************

God Bless, Rad



Title: Re: Astrology 101 questions (as taught within EA)
Post by: Rad on Oct 02, 2012, 07:20 AM
Hi Karola,

"how is it in the case of the Nodes? Because the Nodes move clockwise, 29° of a sign would then actually be the first degree of that sign. Is this right?"

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No. The natural trinity, the natural progression of the three signs within a sign, stays the same no matter what.

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Are the rulers of the trinity (0-9, 10-19, 20-29) within a sign are the same as in the case of planets?

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Yes.

**************

God Bless, Rad




Title: Re: Astrology 101 questions (as taught within EA)
Post by: Wendy on Oct 02, 2012, 08:30 AM

Very soon we will be making available to our message board members, and to the general public, a tremendous work that Linda has done wherein she has compiled the entire message board and broken it down into specific subjects in which all the thread related to that subject is put together in one place. Thus, all the various threads that are linked with the Nodes is put together into one cohesive whole. This was a tireless work by Linda that she took upon herself to do simply as a service to EA in general, and our message board specifically.

***************

Nice to have you back Wendy.

God Bless, Rad


Thanks Rad.


Title: Re: Astrology 101 questions (as taught within EA)
Post by: cat777 on Oct 02, 2012, 05:08 PM
Hi Rad & All,

I'm grappling with the decile - waxing and waning.  What archetype(s) does it correspond with?

 Glad to hear that Linda's Glossary is on its way!  She has been working so hard on that so long!  Alot of dedication to something that will be a huge resource to us all! 

Thanks,

cat


Title: Re: Astrology 101 questions (as taught within EA)
Post by: Rad on Oct 03, 2012, 06:34 AM
Hi Rad & All,

I'm grappling with the decile - waxing and waning.  What archetype(s) does it correspond with?

 Glad to hear that Linda's Glossary is on its way!  She has been working so hard on that so long!  Alot of dedication to something that will be a huge resource to us all! 

Thanks,

cat

Hi Cat,

I personally have never heard of this aspect. I know JWG didn't use it in his EA either. Maybe others know.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: Astrology 101 questions (as taught within EA)
Post by: Henrik on Oct 03, 2012, 08:35 AM
Thanks again Rad.

(This reply has been modified by me).
Thank you for the clarification. Interestingly, this was my first "gut" thought, but I later let my left brain get the best of me...

With the risk of asking another stupid question :)
Since you mention the planetary rulers, do you mean that wherever we find them...what sign and house there in and whatever aspekts they are making would combine with let's Sag 15 degrees (as an example)?

**************

No. These are simply natural archetypes reflected and symbolized by the natural trinity within any given sign. So, for example, if a Soul has a planet at 15 degrees of Sagittarius that will manifest, archetypically, as a combination of Sagittarius and Jupiter combined with Aries and Mars where the lead point is Sagittarius and Jupiter itself in which Aries and Mars are now adding to it.

***************

Are you referring to when we find any planet in let's say 15 degrees Sag...that we would then combine the archetypal meaning of that planet and the archtypal meaning of Sagitariius with that of the planetary ruler of Aries (Mars) and to look at where it is in the chart and what aspects it's making?

************

Thus, far I have simply been talking about the natural trinity that exists with any given sign as archetypes. See my previous answer about this. In the example you are citing here one does not then look to where the natal Mars is.

***************

If I'm off track, can you give an example of how to use this?

****************

If a person has say Venus at 15 Sagittarius then that Venus is not only being conditioned by the archetypes of Sagittarius and Jupiter, but also the archetypes of Aries and Mars where Sagittarius and Jupiter are the baseline, the lead archetypes, in which the Aries and Mars are added onto.

*************************

God Bless, Rad


Hi Rad and everyone,

Thank you for your answer and your patience Rad. Now I am clear on the progression. My five planets in the 3rd in Libra (incl. Mercury and Jupiter) are on a fact-gathering-ordering-searching-for-growth expedition and I keep telling them to look at the 9th house Aries polarity point (Aries on the 9th cusp), which even though it doesn’t have any planets in it is how I “found” EA :)  . I do have a question at the bottom of this post  in regards to your last answer.

This paragraph is how I have understood things in general:
The natural zodiac is the totality of consciousness in human form. An individual’s horoscope, in terms of where the signs fall in the natural zodiac, correlates to the individual orientation to consciousness.
Then, I thought that the planets (even though they share the archetype of the sign they rule) only hold meaning (by emphasis) in terms of where they are found?

My question is (which pertains to your general example with Venus in Sag): If we are to look at both Sagittarius and Jupiter, what is the difference between them, aside from what I wrote above? For example, I thought that Jupiter and Sagittarius share the same archetype and that the only difference is in how we apply them?

All the best,
Henrik

Added modification:
Right after I posted, this came into mind: Do you mean that each planetary ruler has a function? And, so, even though they share the same archetype, the planetary ruler do indeed add a component because it has a certain function?  Maybe I’m just rambling…if so, very sorry.


Title: Re: Astrology 101 questions (as taught within EA)
Post by: Rad on Oct 03, 2012, 09:15 AM
Hi Henrik,

This paragraph is how I have understood things in general:
The natural zodiac is the totality of consciousness in human form. An individual’s horoscope, in terms of where the signs fall in the natural zodiac, correlates to the individual orientation to consciousness.
Then, I thought that the planets (even though they share the archetype of the sign they rule) only hold meaning (by emphasis) in terms of where they are found?

My question is (which pertains to your general example with Venus in Sag): If we are to look at both Sagittarius and Jupiter, what is the difference between them, aside from what I wrote above? For example, I thought that Jupiter and Sagittarius share the same archetype and that the only difference is in how we apply them?

All the best,
Henrik

Added modification:
Right after I posted, this came into mind: Do you mean that each planetary ruler has a function? And, so, even though they share the same archetype, the planetary ruler do indeed add a component because it has a certain function?  Maybe I’m just rambling…if so, very sorry.

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No need to be sorry, you are asking the questions that you have in order to be clear. We all do that, so need to be sorry for that.

 The signs on the houses do indeed correlate with how any given Soul's consciousness in orientated to phenomenal reality. So, for example, the 11th House correlates to specific archetypes within human consciousness, and any sign on that house then correlates to the archetypes, defined by that sign, of how any given Soul's consciousness is orientated to that 11th House. In essence, they are conditioning that 11th House for the evolutionary purposes of that Soul.

 The specific location of the planet that rules that sign, in this example Sagittarius which is ruled by Jupiter of course, then further conditions that orientation by it own house and sign placement. This in turn can be further conditioned by any aspects that it is making to other planets. The way JWG used to explain this is that the specific location of the planets within the birth chart correlate with the psychology within the consciousness of the individual Soul.

 Let me know if this is clear enough. If not, please ask more.

 God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: Astrology 101 questions (as taught within EA)
Post by: cat777 on Oct 03, 2012, 03:30 PM
Hi Rad & All,

Going back to my question about the decile:

"I'm grappling with the decile - waxing and waning.  What archetype(s) does it correspond with? "

yes, I have never seen it mentioned in any of JWG's book and a search on this board only brought it up in a long lists of aspects.  I did find this which relates it to the Quintile. This brings to mind Leo archetype - creativity.  But I am wondering in relation to the phases, what archetype modifies this.  Here is what I found:

"The Decile, or Semi-quintile, is a 36 degree aspect showing a partly developed creative uniqueness, a minor gift, or some other manifestation of specialized creativity. It either secures a unique tendency, or is the final flowering of a gift already realized. The Biquintile, as the name implies, is a 144 degree aspect showing a unique interactive situation, where one gift interacts with another gift, creatively and/or regeneratively. It is an interactive unique form of self-expression that often involves other people and their unique gifts, whether they align harmoniously with yours or not.  Last but not least, we now take a look at the least-understood aspect in the series, the Tredecile.  This is a highly specialized aspect of 108 degrees, which besides being a mythological "Sacred number" symbolizing Divine Mother Energy, is also the complementary angle to the Quintile. Thus the Tredecile indicates a very special type of unique energy that complements whatever uniqueness, gifts, or specialized quintessence are occurring at the moment in a situation. I have seen this aspect operate in several fashions, and all seem to involve a circumstance presenting itself that perfectly fits a unique gift or need, or a gift or unique quality that fits the need of a pre-existing circumstance. The Tredecile is complementary, interactive, and specialized, the "quintessence" of a thing perfectly complementing the "quintessence" of a circumstance. When active, it seems to bring forth unique qualities in situations that involve interaction to bring forth awareness, completion, polarization, or re-polarization. The points opposite the planets in Tredecile are often associated with how the energies manifest, some need being fulfilled, some promise brought to expression, or some specialized gift or talent completed.
I have given it the keyword "SERENDIPITY." I believe this is the best descriptor for how the Tredecile works its magic. "

If anyone wants to give it a shot, please feel free.

cat


Title: Re: Astrology 101 questions (as taught within EA)
Post by: Henrik on Oct 04, 2012, 06:00 AM
Hi Henrik,

No need to be sorry, you are asking the questions that you have in order to be clear. We all do that, so need to be sorry for that.

 The signs on the houses do indeed correlate with how any given Soul's consciousness in orientated to phenomenal reality. So, for example, the 11th House correlates to specific archetypes within human consciousness, and any sign on that house then correlates to the archetypes, defined by that sign, of how any given Soul's consciousness is orientated to that 11th House. In essence, they are conditioning that 11th House for the evolutionary purposes of that Soul.

 The specific location of the planet that rules that sign, in this example Sagittarius which is ruled by Jupiter of course, then further conditions that orientation by it own house and sign placement. This in turn can be further conditioned by any aspects that it is making to other planets. The way JWG used to explain this is that the specific location of the planets within the birth chart correlate with the psychology within the consciousness of the individual Soul.

 Let me know if this is clear enough. If not, please ask more.

 God Bless, Rad
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Hi Rad,

Thank you for you answer and kindness. My 10th house Saturn inconjunct my Uranus/Mercury in the 3rd in Libra alwas expects the worst when I communicate in public. The way you stated it is how I have understood it.

What I was not sure about was how to apply Aries and Mars in the Ven 15 deg Sag. example. I think I get the Aries part, but should I also look at Mars, it's location in the chart etc or just Mars as having a function, related to the Aries archetype, but not where it is found in the chart?

All the best,
Henrik


Title: Re: Astrology 101 questions (as taught within EA)
Post by: Rad on Oct 04, 2012, 07:33 AM
Hi Henrik,

"What I was not sure about was how to apply Aries and Mars in the Ven 15 deg Sag. example. I think I get the Aries part, but should I also look at Mars, it's location in the chart etc or just Mars as having a function, related to the Aries archetype, but not where it is found in the chart? "

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No. The Aries/Mars archetypes within that 15 degree Venus in Sagittarius example simply means, again, that it's an archetype within the Sagittarius archetype. Mars and Aries, archetypically, are the same. So, no, you don't want to link this with the actual placement of Mars but you do want to add the Aries/Mars archetype to the Jupiter/ Sagittarius archetype in terms of understanding Venus at 15 Sagittarius in that example.

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God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: Astrology 101 questions (as taught within EA)
Post by: Henrik on Oct 04, 2012, 09:25 AM
Hi Rad.

Got it. Thank you...

All the best,
Henrik