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Title: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Feb 27, 2014, 12:33 PM
Hello community! We are starting up another beginners practice thread.
This practice thread is intended as a support for those who are wishing to practice the very basic EA interpretive paradigm.

Anyone who would like to practice, whether you are an absolute beginner, or a bit more experienced is joyfully welcome to join in. We'll be focusing on the very core EA interpretive paradigm, working for now with the symbols of: Pluto, Pluto polarity point, south node, ruler of the south node, north node, ruler of the north node. We will each go at our own pace and take on the astrological symbols that we are each ready for.

You may wish to inwardly meditate upon and review the meaning of the above astrological symbols. This message board, The Pluto book, several of the EA books in general, and your own soul are great places to source.

I offer my gratitude to Rad and Steve and all those who I may not be aware of who are maintaining and supporting this message board for the benefit of all who come here to learn, practice and grow. Thank you for this opportunity.

For those who are interested in participating in this thread, let me know! I'll post the first practice chart on Sunday along with a review of the core teachings.
In service,
Ari Moshe

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I would like to thank Ari for being willing to take the time and effort it takes to lead another thread for beginner's to our Evolutionary Astrology. This is another chance for all who are beginning to practice EA to do just that by way of this thread. You are in good hands with Ari.

God Bless, Rad


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: rita on Feb 27, 2014, 12:40 PM
Hi Ari,  I would like to participate, and thank you for this thread.
peace,


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ginogropp1 on Feb 27, 2014, 01:28 PM
Halo Ari, yes I would very much like to join in this thread , i only came to EA a month or so ago so I am raw and new Gino


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: frost7967 on Feb 27, 2014, 11:45 PM
Hello Ari,
Yes, I'm relatively new to EA and very interested; thanks!



Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Wei on Feb 28, 2014, 02:33 AM
Hello Ari!
I wanna join in,thank you for this thread!


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Daniel on Feb 28, 2014, 07:22 AM
Hi Ari,

Thanks for starting this thread.  I am going to join in.

Namaste,

Daniel


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: fruitbat on Mar 02, 2014, 07:16 AM
Hi Ari,
   I'm a beginner who would like to participate in this practice.
   Thank You for starting this thread.
                                     Blessings all. 


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: michael barr on Mar 02, 2014, 01:17 PM
Hi Ari, Hi Everyone,

Excited to be committing to my first message board beginners thread !

salud,
Michael B


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Emily on Mar 02, 2014, 04:24 PM
I would also like to participate.  Thank you for this opportunity!

-Emily


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 03, 2014, 04:19 AM
Hello dear Rita, Gino, Frost, Wei, Daniel, Fruitbat, Michael, Emily and anyone else who wishes to join.
I'm so excited to be here with you! Thank you all so much for joining and creating this space. Thank you for allowing me this opportunity.

We are going to begin this thread first by examining the core principals of evolution. We will do this before addressing any astrological symbolism. I was going to start off with Pluto, however I realized that this is a better place to start. This will support us all to really get grounded with this work.

I invite everyone to sit with this material and examine it in your own way. Please ask any questions here that will support you in your own growth with this work. It’s absolutely beautiful to allow ourselves to be exactly where we are at.

At this point there is no assignment - we will just focus on the core teachings and address whatever we need to until it is time to move on. After this step we'll address Pluto just by itself, then the Pluto polarity point, then the lunar nodes... and eventually we'll start putting these symbols together with actual charts.

I want to point everyone to the teachings of evolution and the evolutionary stages of the soul that are written about here on the message board: http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/school/essence-of-ea/evolution

For those of you who have the ebook glossary that Linda put together (available here: http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/school/glossary), you may wish to check out the topics: "soul" "ego" "evolution" "stages of evolution". Of course these same topics can also be searched for on the message board itself. I'll post some more teachings on evolution and the soul in my own words later today.

With Love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ginogropp1 on Mar 03, 2014, 06:44 AM
The First thing i would like to ask is about the souls journey ! Is it true that the soul chooses  the chart that it is born into. which embodies many factors. Personal unconscious  Uranus,  Collective and spiritual forces  Neptune , the ego Moon,  would it be true to say that the soul chooses the stresses and strains , and the painful and joyful experiences the personality has to go through in a certain life. So is much of  (or all ) the sufferings a person has to go through in a certain life which are shown in the birth chart. are these an absolute necessary part of the souls development. even the resistance to change the inertia  that many have suffer. which causes so much apparent waste of life energy and time, is this to part and parcel of the souls choice ? And if so where does freewill come into all this ? It seems to me as we come into a certain life we are programmed to have a certain set of experiences either because of karma or evolutionary necessity and their is little if anything we can do to change this. But of course it can not be set in concrete. So agian where does free will come into the equation ?


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 03, 2014, 06:54 PM
Hi Gino,
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The First thing i would like to ask is about the souls journey ! Is it true that the soul chooses  the chart that it is born into. which embodies many factors. Personal unconscious  Uranus,  Collective and spiritual forces  Neptune , the ego Moon, would it be true to say that the soul chooses the stresses and strains , and the painful and joyful experiences the personality has to go through in a certain life. So is much of  (or all ) the sufferings a person has to go through in a certain life which are shown in the birth chart. are these an absolute necessary part of the souls development. even the resistance to change the inertia  that many have suffer. which causes so much apparent waste of life energy and time, is this to part and parcel of the souls choice ? And if so where does freewill come into all this ? It seems to me as we come into a certain life we are programmed to have a certain set of experiences either because of karma or evolutionary necessity and their is little if anything we can do to change this. But of course it can not be set in concrete. So again where does free will come into the equation ?

What we have true control over are the choices that we make - that is about it. Our choices are always a reflection of what we desire. The total circumstantial reality that is present right now is exactly what has come to be. Whatever the karmic or evolutionary reasons for that may be, we can accept that IT IS. I can't change the body I'm in. However I can make choices relative to the body that I have. I can't change the relationships in my life - what they have come to be in this present moment, however I can make choices relative to them.

We all have the capacity to make choices - nothing outside of ourselves is making us do anything. And yet for most souls it's not always easy to know this.

Take the example of an individual heavily addicted to heroin. There is free will there, and yet the capacity to actualize that free will may be significantly atrophied. This soul may choose to attract various cataclysmic evolutionary experiences in order to affect the necessary self reflection that would then open the door for this soul to begin making new healthy choices. For example it's partner may die of an overdose. That experience has the potential to reflect back to the soul it's own inner reality; its own choices and how it has created the life it is living right now. From this point of suffering the soul may wake up one day and say, "Enough! I'm ready to change." The desire to change has to become strong enough for change to happen. And yet deep and total change may take some time still - it all depends on the intensity of that soul's desire. Thoughts and choices in any direction condition more of the same. Desire is the bottom line.

Free will is innate, but it needs to be practiced and cultivated. Most souls, to some extent, feel victimized by their life and do not fully claim their capacity for choice making. Our circumstantial reality is always in harmony with our karmic and evolutionary needs. It will always show up as exactly what it needs to be in each moment. I can't change the existing conditions, however I can make choices right now relative to the existing conditions.

Regarding suffering, a lifetime of suffering does not equal wasted time. No time is ever truly wasted. From God's perspective there is unfathomable patience and space for all things. Life has been created that way.

Consider the example of a soul who lived several lifetimes manipulating and controlling other people. They may come into a life in which they are abused and taken advantage of. They may suffer their entire life. When we see the progression of the soul's evolutionary journey from life to life, it is clear that the suffering was not wasted time at all. It's what the soul has attracted to itself to affect the necessary shift in self awareness. The soul might be learning compassion and humility. Every moment of human incarnation is precious. Everything is relevant and purposeful - but we don't always recognize that.

The more a soul becomes conscious of itself as a soul, the stronger the capacity to make choices from a state of soul awareness. Soul awareness is awareness of one's eternal nature, one's unity with Source. A soul that is aware of itself as a soul will develop the habit of making choices that are a vibrational match to who it truly is. It will orient towards love, wholeness, inner peace, ease, grace, forgiveness. When things are complicated, the soul will choose to connect with God, the Source within, first and will practice making choices from that place of connection.

The natal chart reflects the karmic and evolutionary dynamics of the past that have lead to the creation of the current life. The past that has lead to this present moment is unalterable. The choices made in this present moment is the only thing that we have control over.

A few questions were weaved together in your post and I think I addressed all of them. Let me know if this answered your question Gino.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Wei on Mar 03, 2014, 09:02 PM
Hello Ari,once a soul has evolved to be aware of soul or GOD consciously,it won't be confused or lose the consciousness in next lifetimes,is it right?If it's right,does the soul born to be aware of it,or they will realise it at certain age?Thank you!


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 04, 2014, 01:43 AM
Hi Wei,

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Hello Ari,once a soul has evolved to be aware of soul or GOD consciously,it won't be confused or lose the consciousness in next lifetimes,is it right?If it's right,does the soul born to be aware of it,or they will realise it at certain age?Thank you!

Intuitively to me, once total God realization happens it cannot be lost. God realization isn't something that can be found one day and lost the other. It's actually the exact opposite. Evolution is the exhaustion of all desire until the only desire remaining is the desire to re-unite with Source. In the highest stage of evolution all desires have been exhausted; nothing remains to cloud the soul's eternal oneness with God. The only thing left is God.

It's been taught here that prior to 3rd stage spiritual it is still very possible to become deluded and confused as a result of the various separating desires within the soul. The soul is still susceptible to great distractions and temptations prior to third stage spiritual.

We did once discuss the situation where in some cases, for whatever divine purpose, a God realized soul will be blocked from their own evolutionary stage until a certain fated point in their life when they remember. Lahiri Mahasaya was an example of that. Here's a quote from Rad regarding that:

 
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In the case of Masters like Mahasaya this phenomena is very different than other Souls that do the blocking of their 'inherent natures', and the consciousness therein. In the case of Mahasaya one of the specific purposes of his life was to use himself as an example of the path of the 'householder' in spiritual life, that it is entirely possible to have full God realization in that context as opposed to monastic living. Thus he was born as a Libra. And that dictated that he live enough years to get married, have children, etc in order to have a householder's life. So the 'blocking' was not being caused from within his own Soul: it was caused because of his mission as directed by God itself.
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php?topic=46.msg373#msg373 (http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php?topic=46.msg373#msg373)

With love,
Ari  Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ginogropp1 on Mar 04, 2014, 01:52 AM
Thank you Ari , yes you have answered most of my questions and i will peruse your answers very carefully , one question that does come up immediately thou , is the freedom of choice  that  a particular person has, is this an evolving factor as well. For instance surely the soul in the dimly evolved state , who is perhaps having one of its first human incarnations has less choice and so less freewill available then say someone in a spiritual or even individuating state . And can the measure  of this ability to manifest free will and choice be read and seen by factors in the birth chart or is it like judging a persons evolutionary stage something that can only be best seen when the person is in front of you . And can not be seen by just looking at the chart ? I was also wondering, if their is one factor that can accelerate the souls evolutionary journey more then any other , what would this factor be ? And just one last question. In the glossy , Steve wrote  " We find ourselfs operating from the M.O the same self reality self identity we left with, perhaps in old age in the last go round, in other words, we start exactly where we left off, literally "  This would seem to imply that their is no evolution for the soul in the period between life,s .? This goes against much of the extensive study and reading i have done on the subject , and on the testimonies of several evolved spiritual teachers that i have read .  Who say that an important part of the souls evolution can take place in the period in between incarnations on the earth plane. And that for most souls  an extensive and profound LIFE REVIEW ! takes place after death, and that this in itself exccelerates the evolution of the soul and its level of awareness ? 


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ginogropp1 on Mar 04, 2014, 02:11 AM
 Hi Wei , i have read that Very high beings who are on the verge of God realization often come into this life in a shielded sate often unaware of their high evolutionary state . And then at some point in  their life's their realization is uncovered by a life incident or another individual. The great Avatar Meher Baba was awakened by the kiss of a perfect master Hasrat Babajan at the age of 16, prior to this is was unaware of his divinity and to himself and others appeared as an ordinary boy .


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 04, 2014, 03:10 AM
Hi everyone, here is a basic review of some of the core teachings on the soul and evolution.

Evolution
The evolution of the soul is rooted entirely in the principal of desire. Desire is the core determinant of all of our evolution. Our choices reflect our desires. Thus our own evolution is ultimately marked by way of the choices that we make.

Desire can be directed towards literally anything within manifest creation: we can desire as much as exists – which is infinite.

However nothing which is desired can provide ultimate satisfaction. Literally everything within manifest creation is ephemeral. Evolution is about gradually exhausting all desires for that which is ephemeral until the only desire remaining is the desire for God/Source.

Ego and soul
Ego implies self image, self identity. It describes who we know ourselves to be, and thus the emotional filter through which we integrate and personalize all experiences.

For as long as a soul is incarnated, the ego and the soul cannot be separated from one another. The ego is ALWAYS a reflection of the inner desire nature of the soul. Understanding this is a core principal in EA work.

To exemplify this, consider a soul transitioning into the second stage of the consensus state. Of course this soul would create a specific personality structure that would reflect its desires. There will be a conscious ego personality that may say something like “You gotta work hard to get ahead.” Or they might feel embarrassed by their first stage consensus parents etc. All this expresses the nature of their ego which itself is a reflection of the desire vibration within the soul.

To consider another example. Jesus, who was third stage spiritual, was known to refer to himself as “Son of God”. That right there describes a soul that is consciously aware of itself as a soul. That was his self image, his ego.

The emotional body is the final step in integrating our experiences. Thus as we evolve from one stage to the next, the thing that shifts is our self image. The inner vibration of the soul always expresses through the human ego.

Asking “Why”
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Wherever the CONDITIONS exit, at any moment in time, that facilitate the evolution of the Soul is where it will be born.

Rad once said that in regards to a question of whether evolution can take place on other planets.
Like a magnet, the soul is drawn into the exact conditions that are a completely unfathomably perfect context for exactly what the soul needs for its own ongoing evolution.
 
In evolutionary astrology one of the main questions that we focus upon is the question “why”. If we accept that desire determines the total reality a soul comes into, then we can always ask the question “Why THIS particular reality for THIS particular soul? What kinds of desires have lead to the creation of THIS life?”

The answer to “why?” is always going to point back to the soul, however no context can mean the same thing to any two souls. We have to play "astrological detective" in order to determine the inner soul nature that has lead to the specific circumstances of the incarnation.

Every condition, be it a "challenging one" or an "easy one" serves the purpose of the soul's evolution.


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 04, 2014, 01:38 PM
Hi Gino,

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Thank you Ari , yes you have answered most of my questions and i will peruse your answers very carefully , one question that does come up immediately thou , is the freedom of choice  that  a particular person has, is this an evolving factor as well. For instance surely the soul in the dimly evolved state , who is perhaps having one of its first human incarnations has less choice and so less freewill available then say someone in a spiritual or even individuating state .


Choice always reflects desire. I'm not sure about thinking of it in terms of "less freewill" or "more freewill." All souls have free will - it's a matter of how it is used and the extent to which it is consciously realized. For example a soul whose consciousness is defined predominately by time and space factors (ie by what it learned in church, by who is is "supposed" to be as deemed by society etc), will only have the capacity to make choices from a relatively narrow scope of possibilities. And of course the natural evolutionary journey of the soul, which is guided by desire, does ultimately lead the way to perceiving and attracting more choice options that the soul may not have resonated with in the past.

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And can the measure  of this ability to manifest free will and choice be read and seen by factors in the birth chart or is it like judging a persons evolutionary stage something that can only be best seen when the person is in front of you . And can not be seen by just looking at the chart ?

Not in the natal chart.

 
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I was also wondering, if their is one factor that can accelerate the souls evolutionary journey more then any other , what would this factor be ?

Desire.

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And just one last question. In the glossy , Steve wrote  " We find ourselfs operating from the M.O the same self reality self identity we left with, perhaps in old age in the last go round, in other words, we start exactly where we left off, literally "  This would seem to imply that their is no evolution for the soul in the period between life,s .? This goes against much of the extensive study and reading i have done on the subject , and on the testimonies of several evolved spiritual teachers that i have read .  Who say that an important part of the souls evolution can take place in the period in between incarnations on the earth plane. And that for most souls  an extensive and profound LIFE REVIEW ! takes place after death, and that this in itself exccelerates the evolution of the soul and its level of awareness ?

I can't answer this. If you'd like of course you can ask about this in a different thread.

With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Simon on Mar 04, 2014, 05:05 PM
Hi Ari -
Just came across the thread now.
Can I please jump in and learn along?
Blessing
Simon


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Wei on Mar 04, 2014, 07:58 PM
Thank you Ari and ginogropp1!
Also i wonder if souls can only be attracted(adore) to higher evolutionary state soul,because they feel lack of some quality/talanet/awareness those higher state soul possess which refelect their own desire?Can soul consciously know that they haven't been evolved to that state?
I find myself very confusing.....hope this question make sense.


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: fruitbat on Mar 05, 2014, 09:13 AM
Hi Ari and everyone,
    I'm very grateful for the time and energy you've put into creating this thread and space for learning, communicating, and sharing . I'd like to ask if each individual soul is always in one clear  cut , well defined evolutionary state or are there transitional stages? Are there seeds of the individual and spiritual states implicitly in the consensus state? And are there any remnants(foundations perhaps?) of the previous two states in the spiritual state? I am asking this because in examining my own soul, which granted can be hard to do with any objective perspective, I feel like I have  some qualities or desires from all three states.
                                      With gratitude,
                                                      Mike


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 05, 2014, 11:58 AM
Hi Simon! Absolutely. Anyone can at any time, I just ask that they let me know.


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 05, 2014, 12:06 PM
Hi Wei,

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Thank you Ari and ginogropp1!
Also I wonder if souls can only be attracted(adore) to higher evolutionary state soul,because they feel lack of some quality/talanet/awareness those higher state soul possess which refelect their own desire?Can soul consciously know that they haven't been evolved to that state?
I find myself very confusing.....hope this question make sense.

Sure, any soul can be attracted to any soul at any evolutionary state for the reasons of being drawn to something that the soul wishes to osmose within their own self. Yes the soul can consciously know they haven't evolved to that state.

With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 05, 2014, 11:20 PM
Hi Mike,

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Hi Ari and everyone,
    I'm very grateful for the time and energy you've put into creating this thread and space for learning, communicating, and sharing . I'd like to ask if each individual soul is always in one clear  cut , well defined evolutionary state or are there transitional stages?

Each evolutionary state is a paradigm into itself; it has it's own worldview and represents a phase of spiritual development. Each stage has a beginning middle and end and then there are the transitions between all the stages.

The analogy of the catepillar's journey from caterpillar to chrysalis to butterfly greatly exemplifies this. There are more than just 3 stages. Each of the 3 stages has within it 3 sub stages. And even that can be divided into more sets of three. For example: There is the beginning phase of a caterpillars life, the middle phase, the final phase and then its transition into the chrysalis. Then there is the beginning phase in the crysallus, the middle phase, the last phase and then it's transition out of the chrysalis into butterfly etc...

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Are there seeds of the individual and spiritual states implicitly in the consensus state?

In the sense that all soul's have within them the natural and ultimate destiny to return Source. The caterpillar contains the potential of butterfly within its very nature.

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And are there any remnants(foundations perhaps?) of the previous two states in the spiritual state? I am asking this because in examining my own soul, which granted can be hard to do with any objective perspective, I feel like I have  some qualities or desires from all three states.

As a soul evolves its self identify becomes increasingly less defined by factors of time and space - and more defined by that which is beyond time and space: the soul itself. The soul can appreciate and understand the world view of the evolutionary states it has evolved beyond and can integrate within them but will not be identified with them as what defines who they are. For example a spiritual state soul may find themselves acting as a politician. The inner orientation to that work however might be very different than a consensus soul acting as a politician.

According to each soul's own personal evolutionary and karmic reasons, a soul may choose to engage in something or in a culture that does not reflect its own evolutionary stage. We'd always have to ask "why?" How does this serve the evolutionary needs of this soul? What's the inherent purpose and potential within this?

Lastly, all soul's are "impelled" by 2 antithetical desires: the desire to return to Source and the desire to separate from Source. Any soul at nearly any evolutionary stage can be drawn towards all kinds of desires and can experience many of the same emotions.

Let me know if this answered your question Mike.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ginogropp1 on Mar 06, 2014, 01:17 AM
Dear Ari, following your answer to Mike, this brought up a question for me . If advanced spiritual sate people can be functioning in lower states , such as that of a stage 3 consensus politician , this must make it impossible or at least very difficult to judge people in the public domain as far as their true stage of evolution is ?  The life   that they are apparently living may be one that those not reflect their true stage of evolution. Also the complexity of the states of spiritual evolution and  their different layers you say is much more complex then i realized is their anywhere i can read up on this? , could you point me in the right direction, perhaps in the glossary   Would Appreciate clarification with love Gino.


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: fruitbat on Mar 06, 2014, 05:28 AM
Dear Ari,
          Thank you for answering my questions and yes, your answer has helped me in understanding
           the evolutionary states. The caterpillar/butterfly analogy was particularly helpful. I'm still
           working on wrapping my head around it all-and trying not to overly complicate it at the 
           same time.
                                                   Blessings,
                                                           Mike         


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 07, 2014, 12:09 AM
Hi Gino,

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Dear Ari, following your answer to Mike, this brought up a question for me . If advanced spiritual sate people can be functioning in lower states , such as that of a stage 3 consensus politician , this must make it impossible or at least very difficult to judge people in the public domain as far as their true stage of evolution is ?  The life  that they are apparently living may be one that those not reflect their true stage of evolution.

First, to clarify: the ONLY thing that determines a soul's evolutionary stage is the nature of their desires. There's no such thing as a job or profession or role being inherently linked to one stage or another. An advanced spiritual stage soul will not function in lower states since the states are not defined by external factors. If a spiritual state soul is involved in politics and is working in a predominately consensus environment (made up mostly of soul's who are at a consensus level of evolution), they will still be a spiritual state soul working in politics.

Second, yes we cannot judge anyone by their appearances alone. This is why in EA we ask the question "why" relative to the choices a person is making so as to determine the underlying soul motivation behind the choices. Yes it is very possible for a soul in one stage to be living a life that does not seem to reflect its actual stage of evolution. There are many reasons why such a thing may happen.

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Also the complexity of the states of spiritual evolution and  their different layers you say is much more complex then i realized is their anywhere i can read up on this? , could you point me in the right direction, perhaps in the glossary   Would Appreciate clarification with love Gino.

One suggestion is to think about how for anyone there is a natural process that occurs whenever the individual is going through a period of inner change. First there is a particular self image and world view. This self image reflects the individual's inner psychological soul reality. Then there is a transitional time when that self image starts to break down. At this time the old is starting to fall away and the existing self image gets deconstructed; desires that were previously unconscious and a core motivator for the human ego are now getting exhausted. This might be cataclysmic or a more gentle process. Then, AFTER the period of deconstruction, a new self conception begins to emerge. At that point, all kinds of new desires, potentials and realizations become available which then sets the stage for a new journey of soul evolution: new desires, new self image, new sense of purpose.

Each cycle of soul expansion and growth will maximize at some point. It will reach a natural limit and at some point the soul will begin to go within again to break down the existing identity.

This is how the soul's evolutionary journey takes place. We can divide each of the three subdivisions that occur in each of the evolutionary stages (i.e. first stage individuated, second stage individuated etc) into further substages because each subdivision has a beginning, middle and end. And then there is the transitional phase between all the subdivisions. These are natural cycles of compression and expansion that occur EVERYWHERE in nature as well as within our own consciousness.

Jeff Green has described this as the natural cycle of involution and evolution. Growth and expansion followed by a going within, releasing, deconstructing, followed by a new growth and expansion etc...

In terms of more reading material on this, you may want to look up "involusion" in the glossary or the mb to read more about that principal as I know it's been discussed here before. You may also wish to re-read the EA article on "the essence of ea" http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/school/essence-of-ea/evolution (http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/school/essence-of-ea/evolution) as there is a lot of depth and core truths in that article.

Otherwise, allow yourself some more time to be with/ reflect upon this and if you have any further questions, please feel free to ask.

With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Katherine on Mar 10, 2014, 03:41 AM
Hi Ari,
I just saw this thread. You're on fire! Thanks for creating (yet) another opportunity to learn. 
Can I participate?

God bless,
Katherine


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 10, 2014, 10:40 AM
Hi Katherine, of course!

Everyone, we are now going to move on to examine Pluto in depth. The first thing we'll do is review the core EA teachings on Pluto: what it symbolizes and the 4 ways the soul affects its evolutionary intentions as symbolized by natal Pluto. You can review this in the Pluto book as well as through Deva's article here: http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/school/articles/4-ways (http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/school/articles/4-ways)
I'll post more on this tomorrow as well.

With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 12, 2014, 01:37 AM
Hi everyone,

Here are some perspectives on Pluto. Desire is the root cause behind the total reality of the lives that we are living. If we play astrological detective, or just soul detective, everything can be traced back to desire.

Take Jo for example:
In the current life Jo spent the first part of his life seeking freedom from the perceived constraints of the physical world, gravitating to ashrams and spiritual retreat centers. Though each time he would enter into another spiritual community, he would find that it was just another dogma, another system outside of himself. He is exhausting that desire; it is no longer relevant to his evolution.

In previous lives Jo has desired to be free from possessions, the bounds of family or anything that would "weigh" him down. As a result he oriented towards spiritual beliefs that served the kind of life he wanted to live. Like all choices, his choices initiated a journey of action and reaction which progressively lead to more and more self awareness...

Which lead him to the current life. At some point in this life Jo realized that perpetuating the desire to retreat from the world to pursue his spirituality would become an impediment to his own evolution.

In this life Jo may initially try to re-create the past, and yet over time he lets go of that. At some point Jo begins to consciously realize new desires, such as the desire to live the spiritual life of a householder: to integrate his mundane life with his spirituality. This then sets him on a completely new evolutionary cycle.

I share this to exemplify the natural process of evolution. Desire sets the stage for the entirety of the life that we come into. When we understand the inner desires of the soul, we can understand the kind of life and choices that are being made.

Evolutionary necessity
We come into this life to evolve. And we are completely held by God in this process - we have free will.  However evolutionary necessity is a simple and natural principal that implies in part that everything is impermanent. Change HAS to happen. Thus it is possible to co-operate with the force of Evolution, or to resist it.

Resistance can happen at any stage in the journey, whether it is time to let go of something or time to embrace something new. To go back to the caterpillar butterfly metaphor. Imagine a Caterpillar that is resisting it's natural inner destiny to create the chrysalis? "I'm afraid of dying, I don't want to let go. I need these leaves. If I go inside I won't have anything to eat etc..." This resistance is rooted in what? Need to maintain security which itself implies attachment to what is known, safe and familiar.

All forms have limitation, and thus whatever we desire - while we might get it, it cannot be sustained forever. If we do not let go, if we do not cooperate with the natural law of evolution, then evolutionary necessity forces us to let go, whether or not we feel ready for it. This is what Jeff Green describes as cataclysmic evolution. There are 2 kinds of cataclysmic evolution:

1. An experience or period of time wherein events occur that are psychologically cataclysmic to the soul. The soul may or may not understand the "why" behind these events. In other words, relative to the psychology of resistance, a soul may or may not be able to integrate what had occurred and make the necessary changes. One of the roles of an EA astrologer is to provide soul perspective to a soul that is going through cataclysmic changes: to help them understand the possibility for growth that these changes are inviting. Sometimes we naturally need to allow for a period of time of inner letting go and releasing before new choices can be made. This again reflects the natural law of involution which always proceeds evolution.

2. A process wherein an inner psychological dynamic begins to gnaw from within to the point where this inner dynamic becomes all consuming to the soul's awareness. As that happens energy and attention becomes incredibly focused to the point that it becomes increasingly difficult to be available for anything else in life. This can be experienced as a deep inner stagnation based on the inability to make a change, or the persistence of a certain addiction, dynamic, relationship pattern and the lack of awareness as to "why" it is happening, and "how" to get out of it. Eventually the inner vibration of emotional stagnation and non growth gets strong enough that it propels the soul to make a change. Jeff Green describes this as the eruption of a volcano that's been brewing for a while.

Then there are non cataclysmic forms of Evolution. These are more gentle and uniform. There are two kinds:
1. Sometimes there is an evolutionary calling to make a choice, to go out and do something bold, communicate something, apply for a new job, ask someone out. These can all be desires that support evolution: the soul becoming that which it was previously not. Sometimes we naturally arrive at a point where we are finally able to make a change. "That's it, I'm building a chrysalis, no more dallying around. Nothing else is important to me. I'm ready to let go." or "Ok, I'm going to push against these walls with my wings. I don't know what's out there, but the only thing I want to do at this point is move forward." It's the ability to make some sort of choice that is relevant to the soul's evolution at that time. This choice then opens the door to many new possibilities and potentials.

4. Slow and progressive evolution. We all osmose what we choose to expose ourselves to. Be it a teacher, a field of study, a style of music, a particular actor whose movies we are obsessed with etc. There doesn't need to be any strong and intense craving or aversions going on - simply all that we are drawn to we are drawn to because it symbolizes something that we feel we do not have. Eventually we do osmose that which is "outside" and become one with it. Gradually a process of evolution occurs.

Force and manipulation
One of the main principals of evolution is knowing when to let go. We cannot successfully manipulate to get what we want all the time. However we can try, and to do so it becomes necessary to use MORE force in order to actualize our desires. When evolutionary necessity does not support the perpetuation of whatever desires we are pursuing, then usually life experiences will become more cataclysmic. Generally the evolutionary purpose behind cataclysm is to enforce a period of internalization during which we cease the excessive attempt to control and maintain what cannot be controlled and maintained. The internalization has the potential to lead to deeper reflection: "Why did this happen? What can I do about this now? Why am I here etc?" However it is very possible for a soul to in fact feel victimized and resentful when life gets challenging.

Victimization can lead to the psychology of revenge and further self interest as the soul decides to do whatever it can do to get what it wants. If the desire is strong enough, then the soul can in fact muster up the energy to the point of attraction to get what it wants - but ONLY TO A POINT. Again all things end and all things in creation have a natural limitation. For a soul to perpetually resist the strong pull of evolution it requires that they perpetually develop the psychology of victimization and resentment relative to that which it cannot control (I.E. God). Our choices create a grove in the record, and thus choices made towards separation require GREATER cataclysmic events to shake the soul out of it's pattern of resistance. If these cataclysmic events are perpetually resisted it implies the perpetual use of more force etc...
Force and manipulation can become chronic psychological state at a certain point.

Natal Pluto
The natal position of Pluto represents the kinds of desires the soul has had in the past that has lead to this life. Inherent in Pluto, by house sign and aspects, is a long and deep process of generating and exhausting desires. Cycle after cycle...

Here are some things that Pluto symbolizes:
Pluto can symbolize where a soul IS empowered from within: where a soul has already developed or is developing a strong ability to take responsibility for their own inner dynamics and thus the capacity for empowered choice making. It represents where a soul may have an ability to help/empower other souls to understand and cooperate with their own evolutionary dynamics. Pluto can represent the psychology of cooperation which allows a soul to fully embrace and move towards what is necessary for their own evolution, and to fully let go and walk away from what is no longer relevant to their evolution.

Pluto will also represent the deepest resistance to evolution rooted in attachment to what is safe known and familiar.

Lastly, remember there are essentially two kinds of desires: desires that support evolution, desires that do not. Desires are navigated and actualized through choice making. That is the practical essence of what Pluto is all about.

Please feel free to ask question or share anything that you feel will be helpful for you in integrating the EA teachings on Pluto more fully. After this we'll review the Pluto polarity point!

With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Upasika on Mar 12, 2014, 03:53 AM
Hi Ari,

Been reading the thread and just thought I'd say I like your explanations a lot - simple, easy to read, yet thorough in their own way. Ideal I imagine for the purpose of this thread.

blessings Upasika



Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 15, 2014, 11:54 AM
Hi everyone,
This Monday I'll post some teachings and references to the Pluto polarity point. We will also begin our first practice assignment at that time working with Pluto and the polarity point.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Simon on Mar 15, 2014, 04:02 PM
Hi Ari.

Thanks for the post in the pluto material.

Thanks for putting the time in.
Looking forward to our first assignment.

Blessing simon


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 17, 2014, 10:30 PM
Hello Rita, Gino, Frost, Wei, Daniel, Mike, Michael, Emily, Simon and Katherine!

We will now address the Pluto polarity point and begin our first practice.

Pluto in part symbolizes the soul's deepest resistance to change. The Pluto polarity point to Pluto symbolizes the greatest threat relative to what the soul is most holding on to. It thus also symbolizes the focal point through which evolution can occur.

To offer a simple astrological example:
Pluto in the 7th might mean a soul is addicted to always gaining the approval of others. Core desires linked to approval of others. The polarity point in the 1st house would then symbolize the evolutionary necessity to learn how to act for oneself regardless of what other people think.

Another example with the same signature:
Pluto in the 7th can also mean that a soul has learned to manipulate others (such as always playing the role of a counselor in relationship) so that they can feel needed and wanted. They may attract many souls into their life who desperately "want" or "need" something from them. Being able to provide for these souls fulfills the desire of the 7th house Pluto soul to be wanted. The polarity point in the 1st would then symbolize learning to listen to one's instincts and gut - which might mean learning to say "no". And yet saying no is only possible if the soul's desire to evolve is greater than the desire to be needed.

The polarity point can feel like driving a car into a brick wall. It can feel like the antithesis of what feels most safe and secure. And yet relative to the desire to evolve, it is the very thing that will provide a deeper and more fulfilling security.

What I invite everyone to do now is to reflect upon any Pluto position that you'd like. This can even be your own. If you'd like you can apply Pluto to an evolutionary stage (or explore several evolutionary stages). In your own way, address the following questions:

On a purely archetypal level (since we do not have context yet) what kind of desires has lead this soul into the current life?
What is the soul's greatest resistance to change?
What does the polarity point symbolize? How can focusing on the polarity point support the soul's evolutionary intentions relative to natal Pluto.

Remember, wherever we find Pluto is where the soul is ultimately learning that the greatest security is in THE SOUL itself. The evolutionary journey of the soul is about gradually exhausting all desires for that which is temporary and gradually strengthening the desire for that which is absolute.

Please feel free to ask any questions about the Pluto polarity point as well as this first practice.

If at any point you do not intend to participate just let me know. We will stay here till next Monday - or beyond if we need that.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Daniel on Mar 18, 2014, 06:24 AM
Hi Ari,

That is an interesting perspective.  I had not considered the PPP in this context, but I think that I am understanding what you are saying.  Let me take a stab at this...if the Pluto position is where we are instinctively drawn to (attracted) for security, then the polarity point would be the point of "repulsion"?  Let's take a 12th House Pluto in Leo--1st stage Spiritual.  This soul has been learning to transcend it's self-important focus, recognize and express its innate creativity, and perhaps experiencing crises (6th H PP) as a result of the resistance to change that  dissolve (12th H) those desires that are maintaining the illusion of separation?  Would the resolution in the PPP be to learn to proactively ground (6th H) the spiritual realizations in daily practice and lifestyle? To share the creativity with others (Aquarius PP) and use the Pluto energies to move from self-centered to community-centered. Am I on the right track here?

Blessings,

Daniel


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 18, 2014, 02:10 PM
Hi Daniel,

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...if the Pluto position is where we are instinctively drawn to (attracted) for security, then the polarity point would be the point of "repulsion"?

The specific function of instincts correlates to Mars.
Repulsion is linked to the natal position of Pluto itself and by association it can also be linked to the polarity point to Pluto. For example Pluto in Leo in the 12th can be repulsed by the very idea of "surrender". It may feel like that means letting go and letting everyone else shine while they get ignored. Thus the soul may feel repulsed by being a part of the group and serving the needs of the community (6th house Aquarius polarity).

Attraction and repulsion, or craving and aversion are the two sides of desire.

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Let's take a 12th House Pluto in Leo--1st stage Spiritual.  This soul has been learning to transcend it's self-important focus, recognize and express its innate creativity, and perhaps experiencing crises (6th H PP) as a result of the resistance to change that  dissolve (12th H) those desires that are maintaining the illusion of separation?


Sure, and the crisis could serve the purpose of making the soul aware of it's illusions that have created the crisis in the first place. Thus the crisis can ultimately serve as an evolutionary catalyst.

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Would the resolution in the PPP be to learn to proactively ground (6th H) the spiritual realizations in daily practice and lifestyle? To share the creativity with others (Aquarius PP) and use the Pluto energies to move from self-centered to community-centered. Am I on the right track here?

Yes all of that is true. I'll add that the polarity point, as a constant focal point for evolution symbolizes that truth that all fame, glory, self importance, creative gifts etc are impermanent, have no meaning by themselves if not used for the common good and benefit of others. Thus it consistently re-focuses any delusion or grandeur (or hiding on the other extreme) towards "how can I ACT and develop myself as an instrument of the divine to serve the good of the whole?"

With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: frost7967 on Mar 18, 2014, 06:28 PM
Focusing on the house that Pluto occupies. Pluto’s sign would add a generational overlay (traits/tendencies common to everyone in a certain age range).

Pluto is 1st house: In recent lives, the soul has been working to answer issues of self-definition (“Who am I?”) and has been learning how to courageously act for itself regardless of what others think; the soul has needed a lot of freedom in order to explore; such exploration was necessary for it to gain the experiences and insights that ultimately help answer “Who am I?”  In this life, if the person/soul stays in their comfort zone, s/he may continue to be the “overly” independent, seemingly selfish and narcissistic, lone ranger, possibly with some fear of partnering closely with others (as partnership involves the need to consider another’s views/feelings, and thus is seen as a threat to freedom).  However, evolutionary growth requires entering into such partnerships of “You and Me” (rather than just “me”), ie the 7th House (Libra) polarity point.  Evolution entails learning to listen to others (not just to the self) and learning how to give and receive (interact with the other) in balance.  If the soul successfully integrates its Pluto polarity point, it will integrate the (already learned) self-determinism, courage and visceral awareness of self-as-a-singularity (all part of the Aries archetype) with a deep-seated appreciation of the need (and even beauty) of reciprocity and sharing, and a more effortless ability to balance the needs of self with the needs of the other.  This soul would neither fall prey to the selfishness of an excessive 1st house emphasis, nor to the “I-don’t-know-who-I-am-without-the-other” co-dependency of an excess 7th house emphasis. S/he would simultaneously be able to see the self as a singularity and as a part of an I-Thou union.

Evolutionary stages and 1st H Pluto (with some successful moving to 7th H polarity): In consensus person, might see a person who in early life is a “confirmed bachelor” who “explores the field” sexually, resents (and even gets angry at) anyone who seems to put limits on his free time; in work, might not seem like a “team player” and might sometimes seem to have an excessive “what’s I it for me?” orientation.  Later in life, this person might seem to “mellow out” – becoming more receptive to others’ opinions, more willing to “give up” some of his freedom to help another, even someone who marries late in life and learns a lot about “give and take” from the partner. 
      In Individuated,  might initially see a very self-motivated, “don’t share anything with any competitors” creative “genius” who courageously challenges intellectual/social boundaries and paradigms; later, this person might evolve towards working with equally gifted partners.  This evolution into partnership allows him to now benefit from all that another’s input can offer – useful criticisms that help refine/improve work and radically different insights from previously unconsidered perspectives (which can conceivably lift a creative work to a whole new level).  Rewarding 7th house partnerships for 3rd stage Individuated might resemble those of Watson/Crick, Gilbert & Sullivan, Steve Jobs and Wozniak. This same soul might open into more sharing in intimate relationships as well, with 7th house partnerships here igniting growth in many areas. 
      In Spiritual, the desire to move out of separation towards greater and greater unity with Source energies might itself provide motivation to pull the soul away from the comfortable 1st house Pluto point, where the excess focus on “me, Who am I?” implies separation between “me” and everything that’s “not me”, and thus starts to feel limited and constricting.  If the soul has ever empathically merged with and felt another’s emotions, if he’s ever been “caught up” in a crowd activity (his small-I identity dissolving into and transforming into the larger “I” of the crowd), if he’s ever felt his essence expanded and transformed by something he’s read or experienced….. then he’ll start to get different answers to the ist House question of “Who am I?”  “I am……all these little, personalizing, easily itemized, mortal attributes that I’ve previously identified”, but that is only a limited, limiting view of self.  “I am also……this crowd when I merge with its essence, when I absorb its being into mine and allow what was previously labeled as mine to be absorbed into it”; I am it and it is me.  “I am you” when you and I allow such intimate, soul-to-soul communication; my self is enlarged and permanently enriched when I allow such connection.  The self feels expanded forever, enriched in all ways (intellectual, emotional, etc) when it releases its fierce need for independence and dares to let in, trust, another’s energies; the soul feels less alone, less separated, happier and more fulfilled, thus motivated to continue partnering with others.  Ideally, partnerships will be with others at a similar evolutionary stage: We read about partners who go together on spiritual pilgrimages, who work together in opening a retreat, who support each other in developing/refining certain healing modalities, etc.   

This is way longer than I expected, so I'll close now.  Cheerio!   ;)


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: rita on Mar 19, 2014, 01:58 PM

Hi Ari, and all others on this thread,

Pluto in the first house.

 First house is cardinal, angular, yang, it is a new cycle that is beginning.It is energy going outwards, instinctual and without any forethought. The Pluto first house is in a new path of discovery of self, coming out of the twelfth house. These Souls come into life with a feeling they have a special destiny to fulfill. Because it is the first house it is instinctual so they don´t really know what their mission is. They just know they have a special destiny.
Life is very much focussed on self , the I and Me, this energy is  similar to a two year old in which he is discovering his individual self and how to assert his desires to his parents and others.
Anger and impatience at any thing /anyone that blocks the first house Pluto from going towards its instinctual mission / desire of the moment of continually finding something new about itself, because these actions are without forethought the consequences then come later with the action / reaction due to the confrontations they will have with others, forcing the Soul to isolate and withdraw  so as to evaluate who it is in relation to others.

Pluto´s natural instinct is to resist change, and first house Pluto is instinctual impulses that will lead the soul to new experiences, causing tremendous feelings of inner anger and frustration which can be projected onto others as they are seen as the cause of these blocks / feelings.
 There is zero tolerance for any limitation that curbs its freedom so first house Pluto´s can have many spontaneous relationships that do not require much commitment on their behalf. The Me first can be seen as a narcissistic trait of the Pluto first house as the individual has difficulty in eyeing the other as an equal.
  Anger or impatience starts to grow from inside like a volcano, at the attempt to limit them can trigger a first house Pluto to confrontations.The Soul is discovering it self through confrontation and opposition through the relationships it forms with others.
These individuals can have very heated arguments, but rarely hold a grudge for long.
Pluto first house Soul will  have many sexual attractions and others will also be attracted to them for their sexual and physical vibration that comes from the Soul itself. This vibration gives the individual the feeling that he/she would learn something about themselves from the relationship they have with the other.
Eventually as its evolution proceeds, the First house Pluto will desire to have intimate and stable relationships on an equal basis.

PPP 7th House:
This is where first house Pluto meets the other and will learn how to be in a relationship on equal giving and receiving. These individuals will eventually reach a point of stagnation in their evolution if they do not cross over to the polarity point. The individual will look for a partner, friend when its own cycles or identity crisis deepen as they have lost perspective of who they are, through a relationship they will find out who they are by comparison / contrast to the other. This will help the individual answer his / hers subjective questions about it self.
The PPP will also teach the first house Pluto to listen to what the other wants or is saying and be less self focussed on what the individual wants. When it will give to another it will no longer be something that the individual decided to give, but something the other really wanted / needed. Also by having relationships we learn to balance our own needs to the partners needs as the individual discovers who he / she is.
The intention is to open up to the other in the relationship and have deep personal growth and awareness about one self and the other, many times our projections onto the other are subconscious therefore as we learn to, it can be a great source of self discovery, we all grow and evolve through the many and varied relationships we forming our lives.

A consensus First house Pluto would be quite narcissistic putting its desires above the others, would have difficult relationships due to its attitude of me, me first.
Possibly i would say power would be important such as the Bmw and branded clothes.It would like to draw attention to itself and possibly be quite intolerant towards  what he felt to be weakness of character. It would express its will easily and powerfully to assert its desires.
An individuated first house Pluto would  have an instinctive awareness to move away from the box and look for the answers him/herself is looking for, also it would seek people / groups with whom it would compare his/hers ideas to theirs  and again learn something new about him/ her self. It would  look for its identity and special destiny either through alloneness or through the interaction with small groups.
A spiritual first House Pluto it would have an instinctive alliance with source, as it is in the first house and it is inciting a new cycle it would not have the same instinct to give and help the other. It would possibly integrate it self with some yoga or spiritual group so as to follow its path of return to the source
peace rita



Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 19, 2014, 10:20 PM
Hi Frost, thank you for your first post here!

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Focusing on the house that Pluto occupies. Pluto’s sign would add a generational overlay (traits/tendencies common to everyone in a certain age range).

The sign is absolutely active on a personal level as well.

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Pluto is 1st house: In recent lives, the soul has been working to answer issues of self-definition (“Who am I?”) and has been learning how to courageously act for itself regardless of what others think; the soul has needed a lot of freedom in order to explore; such exploration was necessary for it to gain the experiences and insights that ultimately help answer “Who am I?”  In this life, if the person/soul stays in their comfort zone, s/he may continue to be the “overly” independent, seemingly selfish and narcissistic, lone ranger, possibly with some fear of partnering closely with others (as partnership involves the need to consider another’s views/feelings, and thus is seen as a threat to freedom).  However, evolutionary growth requires entering into such partnerships of “You and Me” (rather than just “me”), ie the 7th House (Libra) polarity point.  Evolution entails learning to listen to others (not just to the self) and learning how to give and receive (interact with the other) in balance.  If the soul successfully integrates its Pluto polarity point, it will integrate the (already learned) self-determinism, courage and visceral awareness of self-as-a-singularity (all part of the Aries archetype) with a deep-seated appreciation of the need (and even beauty) of reciprocity and sharing, and a more effortless ability to balance the needs of self with the needs of the other.  This soul would neither fall prey to the selfishness of an excessive 1st house emphasis, nor to the “I-don’t-know-who-I-am-without-the-other” co-dependency of an excess 7th house emphasis. S/he would simultaneously be able to see the self as a singularity and as a part of an I-Thou union.

Excellent.

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Evolutionary stages and 1st H Pluto (with some successful moving to 7th H polarity): In consensus person, might see a person who in early life is a “confirmed bachelor” who “explores the field” sexually, resents (and even gets angry at) anyone who seems to put limits on his free time; in work, might not seem like a “team player” and might sometimes seem to have an excessive “what’s I it for me?” orientation.  Later in life, this person might seem to “mellow out” – becoming more receptive to others’ opinions, more willing to “give up” some of his freedom to help another, even someone who marries late in life and learns a lot about “give and take” from the partner.


This is a very specific possibility. It is in fact possible, though it does not expresses what we can defacto expect of a 1st house Pluto soul in the consensus stages of evolution. For example many consensus stage souls (and really any stage) with first house Pluto will be very oriented towards marriage and will not get angry at limitations on their own freedom. In fact, Pluto in the 1st house can often imply that a soul is learning to make empowered choices for their own self.

   
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  In Individuated,  might initially see a very self-motivated, “don’t share anything with any competitors” creative “genius” who courageously challenges intellectual/social boundaries and paradigms; later, this person might evolve towards working with equally gifted partners.  This evolution into partnership allows him to now benefit from all that another’s input can offer – useful criticisms that help refine/improve work and radically different insights from previously unconsidered perspectives (which can conceivably lift a creative work to a whole new level).  Rewarding 7th house partnerships for 3rd stage Individuated might resemble those of Watson/Crick, Gilbert & Sullivan, Steve Jobs and Wozniak. This same soul might open into more sharing in intimate relationships as well, with 7th house partnerships here igniting growth in many areas.

All true as possibilities and again not what we can expect as a rule for all 1st house Pluto souls.
 
   
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  In Spiritual, the desire to move out of separation towards greater and greater unity with Source energies might itself provide motivation to pull the soul away from the comfortable 1st house Pluto point, where the excess focus on “me, Who am I?” implies separation between “me” and everything that’s “not me”, and thus starts to feel limited and constricting.  If the soul has ever empathically merged with and felt another’s emotions, if he’s ever been “caught up” in a crowd activity (his small-I identity dissolving into and transforming into the larger “I” of the crowd), if he’s ever felt his essence expanded and transformed by something he’s read or experienced….. then he’ll start to get different answers to the ist House question of “Who am I?”  “I am……all these little, personalizing, easily itemized, mortal attributes that I’ve previously identified”, but that is only a limited, limiting view of self.  “I am also……this crowd when I merge with its essence, when I absorb its being into mine and allow what was previously labeled as mine to be absorbed into it”; I am it and it is me.  “I am you” when you and I allow such intimate, soul-to-soul communication; my self is enlarged and permanently enriched when I allow such connection.  The self feels expanded forever, enriched in all ways (intellectual, emotional, etc) when it releases its fierce need for independence and dares to let in, trust, another’s energies; the soul feels less alone, less separated, happier and more fulfilled, thus motivated to continue partnering with others.  Ideally, partnerships will be with others at a similar evolutionary stage:

Not necessarily "ideally". The ideal relationships for any soul are the ones that are relevant to it's evolutionary needs at that time. That can take so many forms.

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We read about partners who go together on spiritual pilgrimages, who work together in opening a retreat, who support each other in developing/refining certain healing modalities, etc.   

All true in terms of some of the many possibilities that this signature can express. I'm called to clarify one thing in case this isn't understood already: The polarity point in the 7th house doesn't defacto mean this soul needs to be in partnership with someone else. It means that relationships in general, being in balance with others is the point of focus for this soul's evolution. Sometimes relationship teaches the first house Pluto how to say "no!"

With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 19, 2014, 10:39 PM
Hello Rita! So great to be with you again. Thank you for your first post.

Pluto in the first house.

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First house is cardinal, angular, yang, it is a new cycle that is beginning.It is energy going outwards, instinctual and without any forethought. The Pluto first house is in a new path of discovery of self, coming out of the twelfth house. These Souls come into life with a feeling they have a special destiny to fulfill. Because it is the first house it is instinctual so they don´t really know what their mission is. They just know they have a special destiny.

Life is very much focussed on self , the I and Me, this energy is  similar to a two year old in which he is discovering his individual self and how to assert his desires to his parents and others.
Anger and impatience at any thing /anyone that blocks the first house Pluto from going towards its instinctual mission / desire of the moment of continually finding something new about itself, because these actions are without forethought the consequences then come later with the action / reaction due to the confrontations they will have with others, forcing the Soul to isolate and withdraw  so as to evaluate who it is in relation to others.

Pluto´s natural instinct is to resist change, and first house Pluto is instinctual impulses that will lead the soul to new experiences, causing tremendous feelings of inner anger and frustration which can be projected onto others as they are seen as the cause of these blocks / feelings.
 There is zero tolerance for any limitation that curbs its freedom so first house Pluto´s can have many spontaneous relationships that do not require much commitment on their behalf. The Me first can be seen as a narcissistic trait of the Pluto first house as the individual has difficulty in eyeing the other as an equal.
  Anger or impatience starts to grow from inside like a volcano, at the attempt to limit them can trigger a first house Pluto to confrontations.The Soul is discovering it self through confrontation and opposition through the relationships it forms with others.

All this is true as some of the possible expressions of a Pluto in the 1st house soul.

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These individuals can have very heated arguments, but rarely hold a grudge for long.

Pluto in any house can definitely hold a grudge for long.

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Pluto first house Soul will  have many sexual attractions and others will also be attracted to them for their sexual and physical vibration that comes from the Soul itself. This vibration gives the individual the feeling that he/she would learn something about themselves from the relationship they have with the other.

Eventually as its evolution proceeds, the First house Pluto will desire to have intimate and stable relationships on an equal basis.

Not necessarily stable. Stability is Taurus and by association the earth archetypes in general. The evolutionary need for learning equality and balance does not inherently imply a stable relationship.

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PPP 7th House:
This is where first house Pluto meets the other and will learn how to be in a relationship on equal giving and receiving. These individuals will eventually reach a point of stagnation in their evolution if they do not cross over to the polarity point. The individual will look for a partner, friend when its own cycles or identity crisis deepen as they have lost perspective of who they are, through a relationship they will find out who they are by comparison / contrast to the other. This will help the individual answer his / hers subjective questions about it self.

The PPP will also teach the first house Pluto to listen to what the other wants or is saying and be less self focussed on what the individual wants. When it will give to another it will no longer be something that the individual decided to give, but something the other really wanted / needed. Also by having relationships we learn to balance our own needs to the partners needs as the individual discovers who he / she is.
The intention is to open up to the other in the relationship and have deep personal growth and awareness about one self and the other, many times our projections onto the other are subconscious therefore as we learn to, it can be a great source of self discovery, we all grow and evolve through the many and varied relationships we forming our lives.

Excellent. All really well expressed.

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A consensus First house Pluto would be quite narcissistic putting its desires above the others, would have difficult relationships due to its attitude of me, me first.
Possibly i would say power would be important such as the Bmw and branded clothes.It would like to draw attention to itself and possibly be quite intolerant towards  what he felt to be weakness of character. It would express its will easily and powerfully to assert its desires.

An individuated first house Pluto would  have an instinctive awareness to move away from the box and look for the answers him/herself is looking for, also it would seek people / groups with whom it would compare his/hers ideas to theirs  and again learn something new about him/ her self. It would  look for its identity and special destiny either through alloneness or through the interaction with small groups.

A spiritual first House Pluto it would have an instinctive alliance with source, as it is in the first house and it is inciting a new cycle it would not have the same instinct to give and help the other. It would possibly integrate it self with some yoga or spiritual group so as to follow its path of return to the source

All of your examples express accurate possibilities - though just possibilities. Check out my responses to Frost above.

With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Wei on Mar 20, 2014, 03:34 AM
Pluto in 9th house
9th house pluto souls are true detectives for the meaning of life. The fundamental desire is to find purpose/interpretation of the world, to have direct experience of connection with universe/the whole consciousness/GOD, they have been developing intuition for many lives, searching deeply through religion/philosophy/belief in a metaphysical way. They may even possess sort of mystic skills which could been used to heal or manipulate other souls(could be natrual healer/prophet/guru, or false spritural leader who gain power for themselves).

9th house is a fire/yang archtype, the soul feel they have special destiny, they need freedom to explore different belief systems, they tend to find the truth out of selves, get empowered by spritural knowledge/direct experiences. They can be attracted to others with the knowledge they feel lack of, draw to teacher type relationship, Or they will be the teacher. Either way their belief is fixed. When they confront other people's belief which seems as true as theirs, it's gonna create crisis, they may be trapped in existential void by refusing to evolve, also they can be open minded, learn each truth is relatively true.

The natural law is the most important archtype of 9th house, essentially these souls have great knowledge to teach other people how to live their own truth. They also have a lot of  karma or trauma experienses with natrual law. They could have been lived aligning with natrual law, but get misinterpreted by others; In other case they could have distorted natrual law, such as a false spiritual leader who mind washing/manipulating other souls to benifit themselves.

9th house rules right brain, these souls are used to intuitive thinking, they have been lived in different cultures in many lives. In this incarnation, they can feel intense alienation, as well as limit while communicating with others who are used to logical thinking. They can be depended on those who share same belief, then experiense betrayal/disillusionment, or simply think that no one understands them, then have delusion that every mind is separated. They may be angery towards those whose belief is different or doesn't have belief at all. When they are exhausted by looking out for truth/power(seperated desire), they'll ask why deeply, start to find spritural power within, realise that everyone's truth is relatively true, there is limitation for each soul to see the whole truth when we are rooted in ego, and all "seperated consciousness" are part of the Whole, each holds part of truth evolving together.

PPP is in 3rd house,the soul can be attracted to a language/way of expressing they resonate with, learn and create their own way to express their idea, learn to translate their mind into a language that others understand. Writing/painting/playing instrument/singing can be a great way to share their knowledge(even truth direct from GOD). Or simplely sharing their minds with people who resonate, can help them release from restless mind. Living their own truth,making fun of absurdity in life, also can be beautiful example for other souls.

Excuse my writing, hope it's understandable, i'm learning EA as well as language.....


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Linda on Mar 20, 2014, 07:55 PM
Ari ~ your beginners are so AWESOME!!  :D


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 20, 2014, 10:57 PM
Hi Wei, thanks for posting. I'll be able to sit with it and respond tomorrow.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: fruitbat on Mar 21, 2014, 05:07 AM
hi Ari and everyone,
     
 
    Pluto in the 8th This placement of Pluto is very intense as the 8th house itself corresponds with some deeply Plutonian themes-death, transformation, power, etc. Traditional Astrology considers this to be the house that Pluto is the strongest in because of its correspondance with the sign of Scorpio, which is ruled by Pluto. Pluto in the 8th brings to my mind the image of a crucible- for the evolutionary pressure here seems to be particularly  intense. With Pluto in this house, the soul has desired to merge with sources of power outside of itself in order to bring about transformation of its own limitations. The soul will have had experiences of both power and powerlessness, which will in effect teach the soul about its  own limitations. It could be said even that Pluto in the 8th is an archetype which represents  the very need for evolution or growth itself. Here, the soul will resist the limitations that it comes up against as it struggles to grow past its limits. This resistance will probably bring about a series of crises or confrontations. One danger with this placement is that the soul will manipulate others for its own purposes. The reason for this being that the soul is so intent on transforming its limitations that the ends in this case may appear to justify the means and the soul may attempt to "use" others as" tools" to bring about its own evolution-consciously or unconsciously.

In the Consensus Stage -Some likely scenarios are that the soul will simply attempt to merge with another being totally on the level of a relationship or on the level of basic physical resources -alternately experiencing the power and powerlessness of total  dependency on another or of another person being dependent upon itself.  Perhaps  the soul will attach itself to the symbol of money itself or wealth or status or career or sex . Other possibilities are that the soul will identify itself with a consensus political idealogy or a consensus state organized religion.

In the Individuated Stage- A few possibilities here are that the soul will attempt to merge with an idea which exist beyond itself but is a bit challenging to the status quo: nihilism, psychology, astrology, the counter culture etc. All sources of power which appear to be beyond the self which the soul can attach itself to, attempt to merge with and transform itself beyond its previous limits.

Finally In the Spiritual Stage The true source of power will gradually and ultimately be  realized by the soul  as a truer and purer understanding of god/goddess/divinity itself. The soul will then realize that its only true power is in humbly letting go of separating desires in favor of returning back to its true source.

The 2nd House Polarity Point symbolizes that in order to grow one must become self reliant and  learn to own the inner stability, resources, sense of values and healthy sense of groundedness in the face of one's own limitations. In effect , the soul must  gradually learn to become one of its own most valuable resources rather than constantly giving power away to sources outside of itself. Heading toward the polarity point in the 2nd house will help the soul to realize that its greatest power lies in its own self reliance and in knowing its own limitations in a very  healthily grounded way. Also in learning to live by its own natural values the soul will learn stability in the face of crisis/confrontation.  Herein lies true power.     

 I've enjoyed reading everyone's sharings here. Thank you for this opportunity to learn.
                                             be well
                                                           Mike


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: fruitbat on Mar 21, 2014, 07:03 AM
As I was walking my dog on this beautiful early spring morning another layer of Pluto in the 8th hit me and this is that the soul has been desiring to experience true intimacy with another being, energetic archetype or the divine itself. Until the soul reaches toward the 2nd house polarity point of stability in one's own resources and values plus true self reliance, true intimacy is not possible as  all forms of intimacy will entail varying degrees of vampirism.
                                love
                                    Mike


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 21, 2014, 06:21 PM
Hi Wei, thank you for your post,

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Pluto in 9th house
9th house pluto souls are true detectives for the meaning of life. The fundamental desire is to find purpose/interpretation of the world, to have direct experience of connection with universe/the whole consciousness/GOD, they have been developing intuition for many lives, searching deeply through religion/philosophy/belief in a metaphysical way. They may even possess sort of mystic skills which could been used to heal or manipulate other souls(could be natrual healer/prophet/guru, or false spritural leader who gain power for themselves).

9th house is a fire/yang archetype, the soul feel they have special destiny, they need freedom to explore different belief systems, they tend to find the truth out of selves, get empowered by spritural knowledge/direct experiences. They can be attracted to others with the knowledge they feel lack of, draw to teacher type relationship, Or they will be the teacher. Either way their belief is fixed. When they confront other people's belief which seems as true as theirs, it's gonna create crisis, they may be trapped in existential void by refusing to evolve, also they can be open minded, learn each truth is relatively true.

The natural law is the most important archtype of 9th house, essentially these souls have great knowledge to teach other people how to live their own truth. They also have a lot of  karma or trauma experienses with natrual law. They could have been lived aligning with natrual law, but get misinterpreted by others; In other case they could have distorted natrual law, such as a false spiritual leader who mind washing/manipulating other souls to benifit themselves.

Excellent all well said. I'm not sure myself if brain washing as a specific archetype can be correlated to the 9th house. It does definitely correspond to the 11th house/Aquarius. Perhaps Rad or anyone else can comment on that. Though I recognize that you were touching upon the idea of convincing or converting others to whatever the soul wants to convince or convert others to relative to their own personal motives. Within this is of course the psychology of lying like the "sales person" who can convince and sell you anything.

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9th house rules right brain, these souls are used to intuitive thinking, they have been lived in different cultures in many lives.

Not necessarily - especially in consensus stages of evolution. One possibility is that the soul has been immersed in the same kind of culture over and over again relative to their desire to hold on to that way of looking at things: Security linked with the known. This would at some point reach an evolutionary limitation at which point would create the necessity to become exposed, somehow or another, to other ways.

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In this incarnation, they can feel intense alienation, as well as limit while communicating with others who are used to logical thinking. They can be depended on those who share same belief, then experiense betrayal/disillusionment, or simply think that no one understands them, then have delusion that every mind is separated. They may be angery towards those whose belief is different or doesn't have belief at all. When they are exhausted by looking out for truth/power(seperated desire), they'll ask why deeply, start to find spritural power within, realise that everyone's truth is relatively true, there is limitation for each soul to see the whole truth when we are rooted in ego, and all "seperated consciousness" are part of the Whole, each holds part of truth evolving together.

PPP is in 3rd house,the soul can be attracted to a language/way of expressing they resonate with, learn and create their own way to express their idea, learn to translate their mind into a language that others understand. Writing/painting/playing instrument/singing can be a great way to share their knowledge(even truth direct from GOD). Or simplely sharing their minds with people who resonate, can help them release from restless mind. Living their own truth,making fun of absurdity in life, also can be beautiful example for other souls.

All of your examples express accurate possibilities of how this signature can manifest. You also touched upon the core essence of the archetype in a way that is applicable to many possibilities.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 21, 2014, 06:32 PM
Hi Mike, thank you for your post.

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hi Ari and everyone,    
 
    Pluto in the 8th This placement of Pluto is very intense as the 8th house itself corresponds with some deeply Plutonian themes-death, transformation, power, etc. Traditional Astrology considers this to be the house that Pluto is the strongest in because of its correspondance with the sign of Scorpio, which is ruled by Pluto. Pluto in the 8th brings to my mind the image of a crucible- for the evolutionary pressure here seems to be particularly  intense. With Pluto in this house, the soul has desired to merge with sources of power outside of itself in order to bring about transformation of its own limitations. The soul will have had experiences of both power and powerlessness, which will in effect teach the soul about its  own limitations. It could be said even that Pluto in the 8th is an archetype which represents  the very need for evolution or growth itself. Here, the soul will resist the limitations that it comes up against as it struggles to grow past its limits. This resistance will probably bring about a series of crises or confrontations. One danger with this placement is that the soul will manipulate others for its own purposes. The reason for this being that the soul is so intent on transforming its limitations that the ends in this case may appear to justify the means and the soul may attempt to "use" others as" tools" to bring about its own evolution-consciously or unconsciously.

Really well said.

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In the Consensus Stage -Some likely scenarios are that the soul will simply attempt to merge with another being totally on the level of a relationship or on the level of basic physical resources -alternately experiencing the power and powerlessness of total  dependency on another or of another person being dependent upon itself.  Perhaps  the soul will attach itself to the symbol of money itself or wealth or status or career or sex . Other possibilities are that the soul will identify itself with a consensus political idealogy or a consensus state organized religion.

In the Individuated Stage- A few possibilities here are that the soul will attempt to merge with an idea which exist beyond itself but is a bit challenging to the status quo: nihilism, psychology, astrology, the counter culture etc. All sources of power which appear to be beyond the self which the soul can attach itself to, attempt to merge with and transform itself beyond its previous limits.

Finally In the Spiritual Stage The true source of power will gradually and ultimately be  realized by the soul  as a truer and purer understanding of god/goddess/divinity itself. The soul will then realize that its only true power is in humbly letting go of separating desires in favor of returning back to its true source.

The 2nd House Polarity Point symbolizes that in order to grow one must become self reliant and  learn to own the inner stability, resources, sense of values and healthy sense of groundedness in the face of one's own limitations. In effect , the soul must  gradually learn to become one of its own most valuable resources rather than constantly giving power away to sources outside of itself.

Heading toward the polarity point in the 2nd house will help the soul to realize that its greatest power lies in its own self reliance and in knowing its own limitations in a very  healthily grounded way. Also in learning to live by its own natural values the soul will learn stability in the face of crisis/confrontation.  Herein lies true power.      

 I've enjoyed reading everyone's sharings here. Thank you for this opportunity to learn.
                                           
All well said Mike. The description of Pluto in the 8th via the various evolutionary stages express accurate possibilities and you also touched upon the core essence of this archetype that can be applied to various possibilities.
Your second post:

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As I was walking my dog on this beautiful early spring morning another layer of Pluto in the 8th hit me and this is that the soul has been desiring to experience true intimacy with another being, energetic archetype or the divine itself. Until the soul reaches toward the 2nd house polarity point of stability in one's own resources and values plus true self reliance, true intimacy is not possible as  all forms of intimacy will entail varying degrees of vampirism.

Also note that often an 8th house Pluto soul will attract to itself relationships with other souls with whom soul-self reliance can be developed while in relationship - if the desire for that is strong enough. Thus two souls who together can develop deeper soul intimacy and allow for the relationship to shift from one that is about re-living karmic patterns to one that is about soul evolution. The foundation for that would be for each soul to practice knowing that all is within. If this understanding is held while in relationship, then great growth is possible without the need for manipulation.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 21, 2014, 06:58 PM
Hello everyone! Thank you to Frost, Rita, Wei and Mike for your posts. Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to work with you in this way.

Just want to let everyone know that at this time I am experimenting with not doing too much computer work on the weekends. So as a general rhythm, on Saturday's I wont be posting or reading. Sundays more likely.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Wei on Mar 21, 2014, 08:05 PM
Hi Ari,thank you for replying my post,i have some questions about what you said below
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I'm not sure myself if brain washing as a specific archetype can be correlated to the 9th house. It does definitely correspond to the 11th house/Aquarius. Perhaps Rad or anyone else can comment on that. Though I recognize that you were touching upon the idea of convincing or converting others to whatever the soul wants to convince or convert others to relative to their own personal motives. Within this is of course the psychology of lying like the "sales person" who can convince and sell you anything.

Yes when i used the word"brain washing" i meant people who always want to convince others, and this may lead to another stage, like build a social system based on what they believe, and try to control what other people believe, it's capricorn archtype? Also i am very confused about what's different between value system(taurus archtype) and belief system(sagittarius)...?
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Not necessarily - especially in consensus stages of evolution. One possibility is that the soul has been immersed in the same kind of culture over and over again relative to their desire to hold on to that way of looking at things: Security linked with the known. This would at some point reach an evolutionary limitation at which point would create the necessity to become exposed, somehow or another, to other ways.

Imigrant can be in all evolutionary stage right? I wonder if someone fit in better in another culture, can they still be in consensus stages? Because their basic desire is still to fit in, be successful in the social system.

Thanks Ari and everyone for this thread, i learn so much by reading through it. Enjoy weekends!


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Simon on Mar 22, 2014, 03:03 PM
Hi Ari

Will be posting my work tomorrow.



Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: frost7967 on Mar 22, 2014, 09:04 PM
Pluto in 5th House:
This (5th house) corresponds to the fixed fire Leo archetype; the fire of inspiration is shaped through determination into a creative product. This person has spent recent lives focusing on creative self-actualization.  They may come into this life with creative talents, the confidence to express these publically, and thus an innate magnetism/charisma. However, they may feel that their creativity comes exclusively from Self -  rather than being influenced by (partially borne of) inputs from others or coming as a gift from cosmic energies (muses, the divine, etc.); likewise, they may develop a God complex, seem very arrogant, and expect constant acknowledgment of their god-like creative abilities from others.  Some may indeed have been idolized in past lives for their creative abilities and may unconsciously expect such admiration to automatically continue in this life; their default orientation is to see themselves as the central, light and life-giving sun, around which all others revolve and on whom all others depend for a radiant life. Consciously or unconsciously, they may use various tactics to emotionally manipulate others into giving them the craved admiration/approval/applause (for example, “the drama queen”, the “diva”, the person who’s generous in order to be applauded for his giving nature); if others ignore this behavior, the person may go to greater and greater extremes to “get noticed”.

The extreme emphasis on self ultimately puts a limit on how creative one can be. The well-springs of creativity stagnate and dry up if they are not fed from without, if one accepts only inputs from the self (denigrating, ignoring, chasing away inputs form other sources). In addition, creations that are overly self-focused may fail to be appreciated by society as they (being so self-oriented) may seem lacking in relevance to others. When creativity seems blocked, “burnt out”, lost or unappreciated, the person is forced to re-consider his grandiose “specialness” (How can he be uniquely brilliant, if his creativity has dropped to that of a mere “ordinary” person?).  Direct feedback from other people (in response to his bids for admiration/notice) also challenge his grandiosity and force him to look beyond self to others.

The 11th house PPP encourages development of objectivity (counterpoint to the subjectivity of the 5th house’s self-focus) and the awareness/appreciation for social groups/others (versus extreme focus on self).  With such a shift in focus, creativity (previously limited by self-focus) truly blossoms.  The creations are now tied to society’s needs, not just to the limited visions of the self – and thus can become broadly used and appreciated, even seen as works of genius.  In addition, no longer imprisoned by his own god-complex, the person is now open to input form others; he can participate in create collaboration where many talented, skillful individuals pool their abilities/energies to produce a creation greater than that which any single person could produce.  Eventually, a degree of humility may emerge: The individual may see that, rather than being an isolated creator, he uses, re-arranges, is fed by, what many others have produced; his creativity is interconnected with the creativity of many others, and he is indebted to them for what he has actualized.  Ultimately, rather than proudly seeing himself as The Creator, he may see his creative ideas as coming from sources beyond the self and even beyond his society: He is absorbing ideas/knowing from the field of creative possibilities, breathing in (like prana) from the intelligence of Universal Mind; if he’s sufficiently receptive, if he allows himself to assimilate what’s been given, and if he’s sufficiently prepared to understand what he’s breathed in, then he may feel gifted with the opportunity to offer others a meaningful creation.

Thanks for reading..... ::)


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ginogropp1 on Mar 23, 2014, 02:57 AM
First of all I would like to apologize  for not posting anything for a while . I have been participating by reading all the posts but i am going through so many personal changes i have been unable to post.  This is a rudimentary but important question that comes up for me. It is about the important subject of polarity s . How do the polarities work ?  they are so fundamental to EA .  For instance the polarities of Pluto and of the Nodes. They are in one sense opposites . but in an other the opposites ends of the same pole ?  Although in the beginning they may work in antagonistic ways . they have to ideally eventually work together in unison. it seems eventually their needs to take place an alchemical union of some sort an integration . I am still unclear about this . because we all know that ex stream opposites are on a deep level the same . I studied Indian astrology for many years so may I quote an Indian Vedic astrologer here ." the north node and south node are the path of the conscious self and since the self is constantly evolving towards greater consciousness, the NN and SN mark different ends of this path , they operate differently , even though they are ultimately the same, just as two ends of a stick are essentially the same . SN is a very introverted force, and involves completions . Those things that SN is influencing are being completed and resolved in this life time. the NN on the other hand , propels us into new things, so it appears to be doing the opposite of the SN. In fact , it propels us into the new in order to create balance where there is imbalance, for a long as there is imbalance there can be no completion or growth. Though operating differently, the NN and the SN are actually working together." Now how much this correlates with EA I would like to know. I would imagine the same is true for Pluto and its polarity point , and all polarities in the chart. And of course to understand polarities properly we must also bring in the idea of TRINITY.  Because ultimate it is the trinity that brings culmination.   I am at the very beginning of struggling with theses fundamental EA ideas or laws. To truly understand the basic dynamics of how this system works is of utmost importance to me . Many more questions spring from the ones i have just aired such as understanding the Trinity's of a planet and its NN and its SN points and how they work as a trinity , But enough for now . I would be very interested on peoples ideas about the above with Love and Light Gino


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Simon on Mar 23, 2014, 06:14 AM
Pluto:
The symbol Pluto though EA linked with the archetype of desire. The nature of desire is linked with 2 dynamics. Compulsion and Repulsion. To separate from source and to return to source.
Pluto also is linked with the unconscious emotional security patters of the soul. This is part of the experience in which we we find security in the past. The natural reaction of the soul is to then move towards the natal position. In there lies the empowerment due to feeling secure in the known. The polarity point reflecting the evolutionary intent.

'' As per Ari teaching - Natal Pluto
The natal position of Pluto represents the kinds of desires the soul has had in the past that has lead to this life. Inherent in Pluto, by house sign and aspects, is a long and deep process of generating and exhausting desires. Cycle after cycle...''

11th House.

The archetype of the 11th house / Uranus / Aquarius functions in these ways.

Following the natural evolution of the zodiac- the process of Capricorn The crystallization of energy / conscious form.
And as being a function of the earth triad.

Uranus / Aquarius / 11th is to be the action of detaching from the molded structure. This leads to liberation. The breaking free from the Capricorn process. This is to allow for evolution to continue. To not get stuck withing systems that eventually will be out dated.

The process of Aquarius / 11th / Uranus
One the more personal level the symbols represent the reflection of groups communities and individual unconscious. The polarity of Aquarius is Leo. The intention is for the creative self-expression to be reflected through the Aquarius polarity(groups) allow for the identification of the self to be defined by the groups and associations it is then part of.

The Aquarius 11th Uranus archetype also correlate to the extended family dynamic, this being connection to the 4th house / Cancer archetype within the zodiac.
The extended family reflecting the groups in which the soul is apart of. Dreams aspirations are all apart of the archetype as Uranus 11th Aquarius reflects the blueprints of the future. Trauma is also reflected in this archetype.

Pluto 11th house or Aquarius.

Souls that are coming into this incarnation have previously being living lives in which 3 main dynamics have been taking place.

Relative to the Capricorn archetype - being under conditions in which suppression are main dynamics, slave ect. This then leads the soul to a point in which the nature of liberation from suppression is taking place. The archetype of finding one's own individuality is now starting to take place.
A great reference to this would be a soul moving out of 3rd stage consensus into first stage individuated. The process of moving through the stage can cause trauma dynamics relative to the judgments of Capricorn consensus state.
The other experience is that the soul has been living lives in which it has been leading group dynamics - and causing the souls to be suppressing their individuality. This can also lead souls into attracting to it karma in which it now has to face rejection dynamics from the group.

Another dynamic within the Pluto 11th house or Aquarius archetype is to find there own sense of individuality within the group and to not let the soul become apart of the groups identity. This will be enforced by the soul in some way. There will be something different within the souls conscious that will create this expression being different.


The soul can find security with the group identity. Still staying in the realms of Capricorn. This will lead the soul into not being able to reflect its true identity thus causing distortion. Suppressed emotions. Again the Capricorn function.

Another process is where the soul finds its sense of identity being different from the groups identity and then still sacrificing itself.
This process is to make the soul aware that the act of liberation. To be able to then through the act of liberation find the sense of who I am, by experiencing different groups. To stay within a group when the dynamics change. In other words not hold on.

Another way in which the dynamics can play out is when a soul chooses to have complete objectivity and find itself being unable to integrate within group dynamics. This leads to a series of dynamics in which the soul then is unwilling to sacrifice its own sense of self. This can also lead the soul into not being able to understand more of itself because it cannot have the reflection of the group and what it represents. Never having the opportunity to creatively express itself.


So for souls that are coming into this incarnations group dynamics will be the lessons in which it draws upon itself. Liberation from pre-existing patterns of behavior. To establish a new a fresh sense of creative self-expression through the Polarity Point LEO.


The Polarity point of Pluto  
In this life time is too consciously integrate the creative self in to the group dynamics. To experience and express a unique sense of self. The Soul through this archetype will learn to through this dynamic to find its own sense of creative expression. To not allow for outdated patterns of expression to be defined as its own sense of identity. To honor its unique individuality in all situations so it can gradually find group and community dynamics that allow for the soul to be able to integrate. This as explained above is a important aspect because as through the reflections of the group the soul can be find it's own expression.

Thank you again for this opportunity to learn.


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Emily on Mar 23, 2014, 07:50 AM
Hi,

I'd also chosen Pluto in the 11th. :)

Thank you for this opportunity to practice!

-Emily

Pluto in the 11th house/Aquarius

With Pluto in the 11th house the soul has been desiring to decondition from all that has come before – from conditioning acquired in prior lives and in the current life from family and society. The soul is desiring to detach and view itself objectively.  The desire is to let go of all that isn’t the essential nature of the soul – to be a unique, individual expression of source in a world of other individuals.  The soul has joined with others who match its own vibration in groups of like-minded people or been a group of one as it further individuates and the vibration of the group no longer matches its own.  It has been rebelling against groups that it feels different from, or from groups that reject the soul as different.  The bottom line desire is to gain deep self-knowledge in a detached manner.  The soul has been attracted to groups of like-minded individuals, may have been isolated from groups/tribes at some point, and may have caused trauma for other groups of people.  Because of the desire to decondition and individuate (in a consensus, individuated, or spiritual sense) the soul feels very different from others.

The soul’s greatest resistance to change is its fear of being different and possibly ostracised (or the fear of losing individuality)? The soul is desiring to break free from whatever has conditioned itself in the past – it has been allowing itself to be under the control of beliefs, ideas, values that are not its own.  There is fear of letting go of the perceived security it finds in being accepted by a group or blindly following the lifestyles of others.  The dual desires are; the desire to peel back the layers of conditioning which are preventing the soul from experiencing and expressing itself as it is, and the desire to perpetuate the past.  Pluto in the 11th has gone and continues to go through cycles of throwing off identities that do not reflect its true nature.  When the pressure within the soul is strong enough, it will break away from limiting conditions of the past.  There is the potential that it will go very far – exiling itself from society, not wanting to be a part of it at all – feeling its individuality is totally threatened by others.  Depending on the level of resistance to objectively viewing itself and letting go of conditioning, the soul may experience traumatic events – being isolated from society, losing the support of friends or extended family, losing the means to support its current lifestyle(?), or experience a deep inner loss of meaning in the life it has been living to this point(more Pisces?).  The intention is to force self examination and to identify with oneself on a deeper level, beyond Capricorn reality.   In some cases of resistance and fear the soul will cling to some outmoded idea.

Polarity Point 5th House
The soul as a unique expression of oneness can shine through with Pluto in the 11th by embracing the 5th house polarity point.  By fully embracing its uniqueness and its gifts and the uniqueness and gifts of others, it can then be helpful to society.  Though there may have been a lot of isolation in the past and the soul may gravitate towards separating from society - the intention is to be seen.  Because these souls are deconditioning/deconditioned they can be innovative and revolutionary.  The soul will identify itself with all of humanity and offer something through itself that is relevant to the needs of others, not just its own self.  By seeing who it is when it isn’t playing a conditioned/socially assigned role, the soul frees itself to open to more of reality - and it can create a new role for itself in society that reflects its true nature and allows its gifts to come through.  Consistent effort is required to root the brilliance of the 11th house within society.  The soul still needs to work with time and space (earth).

Consensus State:
This is confusing to me because Aquarius symbolizes breaking away from the consensus and in the consensus state the desire is to be fully part of the consensus – it is taking on more and more conditioning in order to get ahead.  So I suppose here the fear of being different would be extreme.  The soul would view being different as a threat to its social acceptance and ability to get ahead.  A consensus state soul will adopt the conditioning of its family and culture.

Individuated State:  
This is very much the process of an 11th house soul.  As the soul progressively exhausted the desire to get ahead in the consensus state, it learned how the system worked, worked it and now is manifesting different desires.  The soul is desiring to know itself as separate from what society tells it it is.  An 11th house individuated soul will be exploring the ‘counter-culture’ and alternative lifestyles.  They will be forming bonds with others who feel alienated from society, will explore completely rejecting integrating into society in any way (out of fear of losing their individuality) and then come to bring the gifts they have uncovered in themselves to humanity, maintaining their individuality.

Spiritual State:  
A spiritual state soul with Pluto in the 11th could be deconditioning from ways of spiritualizing that are not of an individual nature.  There will be an attraction to spiritually oriented communities and also the need to find one's own path.  As the soul progressively desires to directly connect with and return to Source, it will be letting go of all external identifications.  The soul will begin to vibrate more consciously in tune with source.


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 23, 2014, 01:10 PM
Hi Wei,

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Hi Ari,thank you for replying my post,i have some questions about what you said below

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I'm not sure myself if brain washing as a specific archetype can be correlated to the 9th house. It does definitely correspond to the 11th house/Aquarius. Perhaps Rad or anyone else can comment on that. Though I recognize that you were touching upon the idea of convincing or converting others to whatever the soul wants to convince or convert others to relative to their own personal motives. Within this is of course the psychology of lying like the "sales person" who can convince and sell you anything.

Yes when i used the word"brain washing" i meant people who always want to convince others, and this may lead to another stage, like build a social system based on what they believe, and try to control what other people believe, it's capricorn archtype? Also i am very confused about what's different between value system(taurus archtype) and belief system(sagittarius)...?

That's right, if a social system is built then Capricorn/10th house/Saturn would have to be involved in some way. Though "control" can happen through the 9th house alone. Control/manipulation through lying for example.

Regarding value systems: values relate to the archetype of "needs". To survive and to sustain the life that is relevant for each soul, all souls have basic needs. Depending on the unique evolutionary requirements and karmic conditions of each soul, each soul will develop a value system that reflects their core needs. It's necessary to know oneself, to inwardly acknowledge one's own needs and have some level of self esteem in order to meet one's needs. The Taurus archetype is the polarity to Scorpio: the soul. So Taurus is all about the indwelling of the soul through the physical experience: sustaining the life of the incarnation.

Belief system specifically correlates to one's cosmology and understanding of the whole; how the soul understands itself in relationship to the totality of existence.


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Not necessarily - especially in consensus stages of evolution. One possibility is that the soul has been immersed in the same kind of culture over and over again relative to their desire to hold on to that way of looking at things: Security linked with the known. This would at some point reach an evolutionary limitation at which point would create the necessity to become exposed, somehow or another, to other ways.

Imigrant can be in all evolutionary stage right? I wonder if someone fit in better in another culture, can they still be in consensus stages? Because their basic desire is still to fit in, be successful in the social system.

Yes to all. As always we'd have to look at the inner soul reality behind the circumstances to understand what the evolutionary purpose/meaning is behind it.

Thanks Ari and everyone for this thread, i learn so much by reading through it. Enjoy weekends!

With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 23, 2014, 01:27 PM
Hi Frost,

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Pluto in 5th House:
This (5th house) corresponds to the fixed fire Leo archetype; the fire of inspiration is shaped through determination into a creative product. This person has spent recent lives focusing on creative self-actualization.  They may come into this life with creative talents, the confidence to express these publically, and thus an innate magnetism/charisma. However, they may feel that their creativity comes exclusively from Self -  rather than being influenced by (partially borne of) inputs from others or coming as a gift from cosmic energies (muses, the divine, etc.); likewise, they may develop a God complex, seem very arrogant, and expect constant acknowledgment of their god-like creative abilities from others. 

Some may indeed have been idolized in past lives for their creative abilities and may unconsciously expect such admiration to automatically continue in this life; their default orientation is to see themselves as the central, light and life-giving sun, around which all others revolve and on whom all others depend for a radiant life. Consciously or unconsciously, they may use various tactics to emotionally manipulate others into giving them the craved admiration/approval/applause (for example, “the drama queen”, the “diva”, the person who’s generous in order to be applauded for his giving nature); if others ignore this behavior, the person may go to greater and greater extremes to “get noticed”.

Excellent. All true possible expressions of this archetype. I want to offer the other extreme two: A soul playing some sort of victim which then draws attention to itself. What this soul may be good at doing is "playing" in order to get whatever they are needing from the external.

Another expression of this would be a soul who might be shy to a core. Afraid full expressing and sharing their inner creative essence.

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The extreme emphasis on self ultimately puts a limit on how creative one can be. The well-springs of creativity stagnate and dry up if they are not fed from without, if one accepts only inputs from the self (denigrating, ignoring, chasing away inputs form other sources). In addition, creations that are overly self-focused may fail to be appreciated by society as they (being so self-oriented) may seem lacking in relevance to others. When creativity seems blocked, “burnt out”, lost or unappreciated, the person is forced to re-consider his grandiose “specialness” (How can he be uniquely brilliant, if his creativity has dropped to that of a mere “ordinary” person?).  Direct feedback from other people (in response to his bids for admiration/notice) also challenge his grandiosity and force him to look beyond self to others.

Really well expressed

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The 11th house PPP encourages development of objectivity (counterpoint to the subjectivity of the 5th house’s self-focus) and the awareness/appreciation for social groups/others (versus extreme focus on self).  With such a shift in focus, creativity (previously limited by self-focus) truly blossoms.  The creations are now tied to society’s needs, not just to the limited visions of the self – and thus can become broadly used and appreciated, even seen as works of genius.  In addition, no longer imprisoned by his own god-complex, the person is now open to input form others; he can participate in create collaboration where many talented, skillful individuals pool their abilities/energies to produce a creation greater than that which any single person could produce.  Eventually, a degree of humility may emerge: The individual may see that, rather than being an isolated creator, he uses, re-arranges, is fed by, what many others have produced; his creativity is interconnected with the creativity of many others, and he is indebted to them for what he has actualized.  Ultimately, rather than proudly seeing himself as The Creator, he may see his creative ideas as coming from sources beyond the self and even beyond his society: He is absorbing ideas/knowing from the field of creative possibilities, breathing in (like prana) from the intelligence of Universal Mind; if he’s sufficiently receptive, if he allows himself to assimilate what’s been given, and if he’s sufficiently prepared to understand what he’s breathed in, then he may feel gifted with the opportunity to offer others a meaningful creation.

Everything you have written expresses accurate possibilities for this signature. You also touched upon the essence of Pluto in the 5th which can be applied to many circumstances.

One perspective not addressed: the polarity point in the 11th can also relate to the soul choosing to express themselves even if they stand out; even if they are different. The lesson of releasing the soul potential even if it means "being a group of one", even if that means they may not be understood or appreciated. This can be very threatening to the security needs of the soul to be liked and adored - which is why the 5th house Pluto soul may not feel empowered to express their creative potential in the first place. A deep permeating shyness is also common with Pluto in the 5th house.

With love
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 23, 2014, 02:22 PM
Hi Gino,

I have been appreciating your questions and genuine participation very much. Thank you so much for all that you are contributing to the group.

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First of all I would like to apologize  for not posting anything for a while . I have been participating by reading all the posts but i am going through so many personal changes i have been unable to post. This is a rudimentary but important question that comes up for me. It is about the important subject of polarity s . How do the polarities work ?  they are so fundamental to EA .  For instance the polarities of Pluto and of the Nodes. They are in one sense opposites . but in an other the opposites ends of the same pole ?

Although in the beginning they may work in antagonistic ways . they have to ideally eventually work together in unison. it seems eventually their needs to take place an alchemical union of some sort an integration . I am still unclear about this . because we all know that ex stream opposites are on a deep level the same . I studied Indian astrology for many years so may I quote an Indian Vedic astrologer here ." the north node and south node are the path of the conscious self and since the self is constantly evolving towards greater consciousness, the NN and SN mark different ends of this path , they operate differently , even though they are ultimately the same, just as two ends of a stick are essentially the same . SN is a very introverted force, and involves completions . Those things that SN is influencing are being completed and resolved in this life time. the NN on the other hand , propels us into new things, so it appears to be doing the opposite of the SN. In fact , it propels us into the new in order to create balance where there is imbalance, for a long as there is imbalance there can be no completion or growth. Though operating differently, the NN and the SN are actually working together."

Now how much this correlates with EA I would like to know.

Soon we will review the EA teachings on the lunar nodes. At that point, once I post the material, we can address any remaining questions that you might have.

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I would imagine the same is true for Pluto and its polarity point , and all polarities in the chart. And of course to understand polarities properly we must also bring in the idea of TRINITY.  Because ultimate it is the trinity that brings culmination.   I am at the very beginning of struggling with theses fundamental EA ideas or laws. To truly understand the basic dynamics of how this system works is of utmost importance to me . Many more questions spring from the ones i have just aired such as understanding the Trinity's of a planet and its NN and its SN points and how they work as a trinity , But enough for now . I would be very interested on peoples ideas about the above with Love and Light Gino

I'm going to hold the conversation on trinity and the lunar nodes for a bit later when we begin address the lunar nodes.

From the point of view of God, there is no such thing as polarity. This is no "other" as everything in a part of the oneness. The archetype of polarity is specific to the nature of karma: cause and effect / action and reaction, which is itself born from the dual desires within the soul: the desire to separate or return to Source. The dual desires within the soul do not express two desires for two equally objective realities. One desire, the desire to return to source is the desire for WHAT IS TRUE while the desire to separate from source is the desire for what is not true. Meaning separation from God CANNOT actually happen - it's impossible to successfully "separate" from God. The dual desires within the soul express the desire for what IS eternal and the desire for what IS NOT eternal.

Thus the very desire nature within all of us sets the stage to seek that which is "outside" of ourselves which of course provides temporary fulfillment until we realize there is no longer any need or use for what we previously wanted. Then we want something else.

This creates a perpetual psychology of "wanted and unwanted" with periods of rest from all of that (such as deep deep sleep when there is no longer any efforting or resisting or as Rad often speaks about the state of breathlessness where the inhale and exhale shallow and stop completely). As long as the soul is on this evolutionary journey, there is the perception of duality which can always be traced back to unresolved desire.

So to me, that's a starting point for understanding the nature of polarity in general. Where it comes from from the point of view of the soul.

It's natural to feel that "once I ____ then Ill be content." We can fill in the blank with "figure out the answer to this issue." or "find my life partner" etc. And of course it's never true in an ultimate sense.

If I desire to have a lot of possessions (2nd house point of desire) then letting go of what I have or merging my resources with another person may be a deep threat to my deepest security needs (8th house polarity point of desire). The resistance to the polarity point is born from my attachments to survival. Thus there is born the psychology of wanted and unwanted. So if I am attached to my own need for security and self reliance I might look at 8th house dynamics (marriage for example) as something unwanted, I may even detest it. Integrating the 8th house polarity point (which symbolizes the principle that all things change) triggers evolution as it forces me to find self reliance in the soul, not in the external dependency on "things".

Whenever anyone begins to look inside, towards the eternal for security the dualities of the world start to all away. This is because the perception of duality itself in the first place was born from unresolved desire.

Pluto polarity point triggers resolution for all karmic dynamics in the chart. This is because all karma is born from desire in the first place. Understanding that idea to me is a sort of EA bottom line.

To offer another kind of response to your question that may offer some perspective: consider planetary oppositions. When two planets are opposite one another it expresses a very dynamic tension within the soul wherein the soul has not yet learned how to integrate perceived opposites. Within the soul's consciousness is a split between two extremes, and thus choices and experiential realities that will reflect that. Integrating any opposition is about refining one's consciousness to the point that only integration is possible as opposed to fluctuating extremes.

Let me know if this addressed your question Gino and of course feel free to ask more about any of this.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Katherine on Mar 23, 2014, 09:28 PM
Hi Ari,
I am working on my piece and will be posting on Monday by noon PT.

God bless,
Katherine


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Wei on Mar 24, 2014, 03:40 AM
Thanks Ari, now i have more clear idea about 9th house archtype!
Also i love what you said in reply to Frost about pluto in 5th, give me a new idea about this placement.It's great to learn more everyday.


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Katherine on Mar 24, 2014, 12:43 PM
Pluto 1st house

Pluto symbolically represents the Soul itself and its process over many lifetimes as it seeks to return to Source by exhausting any and all separating desires experienced on the physical plane.  The prior life evolutionary desires and karmic history set up the present life personality structure, essentially picking up where it left off.  The referencing of what has come before (the past) leads to the compulsions to maintain a sense of security through self-consistency. This creates an internal conflict within the Soul as it oscillates (via free will) between resisting or cooperating with its growth and evolution.
The desires emanating from a Soul become conscious within an individual through the interface of Mars. The continuous state of becoming is experienced subjectively through Mars/ Aries/ ASC/ 1st  with a need for absolute freedom to act upon those core desires.  The crisis of birth  (and the original anxiety of separation) is reflected in the natural inconjunct from the 8th to the 1st creating the subconscious fear of entrapment. In all people this intrinsic stress to consciousness generates a psychology of anxiety around becoming overly committed or entrapped within circumstances that limit the essential need to become.
While Pluto in any of the cardinal houses signifies a new Soul cycle, Pluto in the 1st house really punctuates the absolute importance of freedom and independence that are required in order to actualize a special destiny waiting to be discovered.  This is a Soul that has operated instinctually from impulses that are felt intensely on a gut level, as opposed to conceptually formulated cues. First-hand experience is the operative vehicle of awareness.  The need to fulfill any desire or experience deemed necessary for the Soul’s development is paramount. The immediacy of potential experience and the need to act on it at any time keeps this signature aloof.  Allegiance is to the self is of prime importance, which points to the reputation for narcissism or self-centeredness.  The characteristics associated with this signature archetypically are: intense, magnetic, defiant, courageous, a penetrating gaze and physical strength.
Yet, Pluto’s need for consistency, perspective, and the why of any desire or action sets up a cyclical implosion of identity.  Eventually, stagnation, limitation, and restriction are eliminated by initiating new experiences and action relevant to where the individual is in process.  A frustration or anger can be projected upon those seen as a barrier to the individual’s freedom.  The Soul will reach a limitation in its growth of existing in a vacuum of personal reference and isolation from others.  
The Pluto Polarity Point (PPP) of the 7th house is where the Soul can receive perspective to the questions of “who am I” “what am I” and will attract others who can assist them in their evolutionary requirements.  There will be an instinctive attraction or repulsion toward certain individuals. This attraction may physical or sexual in nature, although not necessarily acted upon.  The dynamic of repulsion can arise when those they feel deeply attracted to threaten on some level the existing nature of their reality.  Total rejection, wholehearted pursuit, or a combination of attraction and repulsion are all possibilities.
Within relationship the theme of dominance emerges where one can dominate, be dominated, or operate on the basis of equality.  Equality is the lesson here of respect for another’s needs, and unique evolutionary requirements.  This balancing of their own needs and the open recognition and acknowledgment of the legitimate needs of others hones the ability to listen, and ultimately give that the other needs without losing themselves in the process.
Pluto in the 1st can become a courageous example to others to become aware of the nature of their desires and express their individual nature and how to determine which of those desires should and should not be actualized.


God Bless,
Katherine

P.S. I intend to post more regarding the shifting dynamics through the evolutionary states.


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 24, 2014, 06:23 PM
Hi Simon, Emily and Katherine,
Thank you for your posts! I look so forward to reading them I will continue my responses tomorrow later afternoon and Wed afternoon.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ginogropp1 on Mar 24, 2014, 09:58 PM
Dear Ari ,thank you for your answer, and i wait with baited breath to go into the answers and themes about polarities points  in a chart and to see how they work together.their does seem to me two distinct themes alive in each chart or alive in each soul. First their is the whole evolutionary journey ,where the soul is in a process of growing, and this is linear , and to understand this is of course is  of the highest importance, but then their is this other reality which stems from the fact that on some deep level the soul is at heart already   that which it seeks to be. where and how and to what extent this shows in a chart i am not sure? but this is just as important a reality for each soul to become aware of ,  that on some deep level, evolution is a kind of illusion on a deep level itself, Am I speaking EA blasphemy here , i hope not .Be cause it is my powerful contention that for each soul on a deep soul level their is a place of no problem, a place of stillness beyond evolution, and that their is a place where the soul has NO problems at all, This and the process of linear evolution are in reality not mutually exclusive. but can sit together  but are just different aspects of reality. Their is a danger when only describing the evolutionary dimension of the soul,to to see the whole process of life as a series of problems to overcome . the whole process of growth implies there is already something wrong to be overcome something missing. Which on one level is of course true . But their is this very real dimension of reality that tells us all that their is with in each of us a silence a stillness place where their is absolutely nothing at all to be gained . I think we have all felt that place and that very very important reality. AND IT HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH EVOLUTION. thanks.as ever in this early process of learning it is essential o question the very fundamentals of a particular doctrine,this of course then brings about many further questions , for instance the nature of God itself.Is God Imperfect as seems to be the contention of EA, And is in the process of perfecting him?her self in each individuals process of evolution and the evolution of the creation itself . or is God perfect, For ever Perfect ,and is this whole apparent process of becoming just a leela a play . perhaps both are true . We are moving into the realm of paradox ,where are little minds flounder . But theses are not i believe purely academic, mind issues . but in the end the conclusions we come to about theses are fundamental truths will  form the way we are as astrologers and how we give chart readings ,with love Gino


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 25, 2014, 04:28 PM
Hi Simon, thank you for your post!

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Pluto:
The symbol Pluto though EA linked with the archetype of desire. The nature of desire is linked with 2 dynamics. Compulsion and Repulsion. To separate from source and to return to source.
Pluto also is linked with the unconscious emotional security patters of the soul. This is part of the experience in which we we find security in the past. The natural reaction of the soul is to then move towards the natal position. In there lies the empowerment due to feeling secure in the known. The polarity point reflecting the evolutionary intent.

'' As per Ari teaching - Natal Pluto
The natal position of Pluto represents the kinds of desires the soul has had in the past that has lead to this life. Inherent in Pluto, by house sign and aspects, is a long and deep process of generating and exhausting desires. Cycle after cycle...''

11th House.

The archetype of the 11th house / Uranus / Aquarius functions in these ways.

Following the natural evolution of the zodiac- the process of Capricorn The crystallization of energy / conscious form.
And as being a function of the earth triad.

If you mean Aquarius, then it is a part of the air triad

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Uranus / Aquarius / 11th is to be the action of detaching from the molded structure. This leads to liberation. The breaking free from the Capricorn process. This is to allow for evolution to continue. To not get stuck withing systems that eventually will be out dated.

The process of Aquarius / 11th / Uranus
One the more personal level the symbols represent the reflection of groups communities and individual unconscious. The polarity of Aquarius is Leo. The intention is for the creative self-expression to be reflected through the Aquarius polarity(groups) allow for the identification of the self to be defined by the groups and associations it is then part of.

Not defined by groups. Defined would bring in a Saturn element to it.

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The Aquarius 11th Uranus archetype also correlate to the extended family dynamic, this being connection to the 4th house / Cancer archetype within the zodiac.

The extended family reflecting the groups in which the soul is apart of. Dreams aspirations are all apart of the archetype as Uranus 11th Aquarius reflects the blueprints of the future. Trauma is also reflected in this archetype.

I'm not sure about dreams per se. Dreams are Pisces. Since the 11th house symbolizes the "blueprint" of the soul in its most individuated form, it implies a unique individuated potential that reflects the unique intelligence of Creator. Nothing and no one is like it - in the same way that a seed contains the blueprint for the tree it will become.

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Pluto 11th house or Aquarius.

Souls that are coming into this incarnation have previously being living lives in which 3 main dynamics have been taking place.

Relative to the Capricorn archetype - being under conditions in which suppression are main dynamics, slave ect. This then leads the soul to a point in which the nature of liberation from suppression is taking place. The archetype of finding one's own individuality is now starting to take place.

A great reference to this would be a soul moving out of 3rd stage consensus into first stage individuated. The process of moving through the stage can cause trauma dynamics relative to the judgments of Capricorn consensus state.

Great, and this can happen by way of not fitting into the same groups or circles of friends. The main fear here would be one of "being different". This is where the 5th house polarity point comes in: to express one's creative uniqueness. Otherwise the soul might either dissociate so that they can "fit in" or isolate.

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The other experience is that the soul has been living lives in which it has been leading group dynamics - and causing the souls to be suppressing their individuality. This can also lead souls into attracting to it karma in which it now has to face rejection dynamics from the group.

Another dynamic within the Pluto 11th house or Aquarius archetype is to find there own sense of individuality within the group and to not let the soul become apart of the groups identity. This will be enforced by the soul in some way. There will be something different within the souls conscious that will create this expression being different.

The soul can find security with the group identity. Still staying in the realms of Capricorn. This will lead the soul into not being able to reflect its true identity thus causing distortion. Suppressed emotions. Again the Capricorn function.

Another process is where the soul finds its sense of identity being different from the groups identity and then still sacrificing itself.
This process is to make the soul aware that the act of liberation. To be able to then through the act of liberation find the sense of who I am, by experiencing different groups. To stay within a group when the dynamics change. In other words not hold on.

Another way in which the dynamics can play out is when a soul chooses to have complete objectivity and find itself being unable to integrate within group dynamics. This leads to a series of dynamics in which the soul then is unwilling to sacrifice its own sense of self. This can also lead the soul into not being able to understand more of itself because it cannot have the reflection of the group and what it represents. Never having the opportunity to creatively express itself.


So for souls that are coming into this incarnations group dynamics will be the lessons in which it draws upon itself. Liberation from pre-existing patterns of behavior. To establish a new a fresh sense of creative self-expression through the Polarity Point LEO.


The Polarity point of Pluto
In this life time is too consciously integrate the creative self in to the group dynamics. To experience and express a unique sense of self. The Soul through this archetype will learn to through this dynamic to find its own sense of creative expression. To not allow for outdated patterns of expression to be defined as its own sense of identity. To honor its unique individuality in all situations so it can gradually find group and community dynamics that allow for the soul to be able to integrate. This as explained above is a important aspect because as through the reflections of the group the soul can be find it's own expression.

Thank you again for this opportunity to learn.

Everything you wrote expresses possibilities for how this signature can express and you also touched upon the essence of the 11th house.
With love
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 25, 2014, 06:04 PM
Hi Emily, thank you for your post!

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Pluto in the 11th house/Aquarius

With Pluto in the 11th house the soul has been desiring to decondition from all that has come before – from conditioning acquired in prior lives and in the current life from family and society. The soul is desiring to detach and view itself objectively.  The desire is to let go of all that isn’t the essential nature of the soul – to be a unique, individual expression of source in a world of other individuals.  The soul has joined with others who match its own vibration in groups of like-minded people or been a group of one as it further individuates and the vibration of the group no longer matches its own.  It has been rebelling against groups that it feels different from, or from groups that reject the soul as different.  The bottom line desire is to gain deep self-knowledge in a detached manner.  The soul has been attracted to groups of like-minded individuals, may have been isolated from groups/tribes at some point, and may have caused trauma for other groups of people.  Because of the desire to decondition and individuate (in a consensus, individuated, or spiritual sense) the soul feels very different from others.

Excellent. And the soul can also feel intensely LIKE others. IE being completely identified with a group: merging with the group as a symbol of power it wants to osmose and become.

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The soul’s greatest resistance to change is its fear of being different and possibly ostracised (or the fear of losing individuality)?

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The soul is desiring to break free from whatever has conditioned itself in the past – it has been allowing itself to be under the control of beliefs, ideas, values that are not its own.  There is fear of letting go of the perceived security it finds in being accepted by a group or blindly following the lifestyles of others.  The dual desires are; the desire to peel back the layers of conditioning which are preventing the soul from experiencing and expressing itself as it is, and the desire to perpetuate the past.  Pluto in the 11th has gone and continues to go through cycles of throwing off identities that do not reflect its true nature.  When the pressure within the soul is strong enough, it will break away from limiting conditions of the past.  There is the potential that it will go very far – exiling itself from society, not wanting to be a part of it at all – feeling its individuality is totally threatened by others.  Depending on the level of resistance to objectively viewing itself and letting go of conditioning, the soul may experience traumatic events – being isolated from society, losing the support of friends or extended family, losing the means to support its current lifestyle(?),

If by "means" you mean to imply personal finances/resources then the Taurus archetype would have to be involved in some way. If "means" implies what you stated above as well as group resources/funds, then yes.

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or experience a deep inner loss of meaning in the life it has been living to this point(more Pisces?).


Yes that phrase feels more Pisces to me.

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The intention is to force self examination and to identify with oneself on a deeper level, beyond Capricorn reality.   In some cases of resistance and fear the soul will cling to some outmoded idea.

Polarity Point 5th House
The soul as a unique expression of oneness can shine through with Pluto in the 11th by embracing the 5th house polarity point.  By fully embracing its uniqueness and its gifts and the uniqueness and gifts of others, it can then be helpful to society.  Though there may have been a lot of isolation in the past and the soul may gravitate towards separating from society - the intention is to be seen.  Because these souls are deconditioning/deconditioned they can be innovative and revolutionary.  The soul will identify itself with all of humanity and offer something through itself that is relevant to the needs of others, not just its own self.  By seeing who it is when it isn’t playing a conditioned/socially assigned role, the soul frees itself to open to more of reality - and it can create a new role for itself in society that reflects its true nature and allows its gifts to come through.  Consistent effort is required to root the brilliance of the 11th house within society.  The soul still needs to work with time and space (earth).

"Roles" and "consistent effort to root brilliance within society" are not inherent to the 11th house archetype and its polarity point. It's more about just being oneself, no roles per se. Example: if the whole group eats with forks and the 11th house Pluto has the sudden idea to eat with their hands, then if the the soul eats with their hands they are expressing a unique creative expression which has the potential to inspire and enliven other people.

It's probable that some people may be triggered by that, while some may start adopting the same behavior. This can then create from within the group a subculture of people who eat with their hands. And yet how many of the souls in this subculture are living according to their own innate freedom? It's easy for anyone in any group to lose touch with their own individuality. When the desire to return to Source is strongest, then the innate individuality of the soul will begin to shine and express through the individual no matter what that looks like.

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Consensus State:
This is confusing to me because Aquarius symbolizes breaking away from the consensus and in the consensus state the desire is to be fully part of the consensus – it is taking on more and more conditioning in order to get ahead.  So I suppose here the fear of being different would be extreme.  The soul would view being different as a threat to its social acceptance and ability to get ahead.  A consensus state soul will adopt the conditioning of its family and culture.

The individuation process occurs at every level of consciousness. For example when a soul is transitioning into 2nd stage consensus it will begin to recognize various groups of people within society that seems to represent something it is not. It will become progressively focused on that until it can in some way merge with that which it perceives. The soul might also find it necessary to "shed" or dissociate from groups and friends it previously associated with so that it can further in society in the ways it is desiring to.

Or in the 3rd individuated we have all kinds of subgroups occurring within the consensus culture like groups such as the tea party. To me the movie "pleasantville" is a great way to understand in part how the Aquarius archetype through the consensus state. At first everyone in pleasantville was the same as everyone else. Then some people began changing. At some point in that movie those who were not "changing" formed a group of their own which was essentially "the non changing group" and so on...

Another example: most western religions. Judaism for example never had "reform or orthodox" sects. Orthodoxy was only created as a result of a group of people choosing to reform.

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Individuated State:  
This is very much the process of an 11th house soul.  As the soul progressively exhausted the desire to get ahead in the consensus state, it learned how the system worked, worked it and now is manifesting different desires.  The soul is desiring to know itself as separate from what society tells it it is.  An 11th house individuated soul will be exploring the ‘counter-culture’ and alternative lifestyles.  They will be forming bonds with others who feel alienated from society, will explore completely rejecting integrating into society in any way (out of fear of losing their individuality) and then come to bring the gifts they have uncovered in themselves to humanity, maintaining their individuality.

Spiritual State:  
A spiritual state soul with Pluto in the 11th could be deconditioning from ways of spiritualizing that are not of an individual nature.  There will be an attraction to spiritually oriented communities and also the need to find one's own path.  As the soul progressively desires to directly connect with and return to Source, it will be letting go of all external identifications.  The soul will begin to vibrate more consciously in tune with source.

All well said. You expressed many possibilities for this signature and also touched upon the universal essence of this archetype.
With love
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 25, 2014, 08:23 PM
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Hi Katherine, thank you for your post!

Pluto 1st house

Pluto symbolically represents the Soul itself and its process over many lifetimes as it seeks to return to Source by exhausting any and all separating desires experienced on the physical plane.  The prior life evolutionary desires and karmic history set up the present life personality structure, essentially picking up where it left off.  The referencing of what has come before (the past) leads to the compulsions to maintain a sense of security through self-consistency. This creates an internal conflict within the Soul as it oscillates (via free will) between resisting or cooperating with its growth and evolution.
 
The desires emanating from a Soul become conscious within an individual through the interface of Mars. The continuous state of becoming is experienced subjectively through Mars/ Aries/ ASC/ 1st  with a need for absolute freedom to act upon those core desires.  The crisis of birth  (and the original anxiety of separation) is reflected in the natural inconjunct from the 8th to the 1st creating the subconscious fear of entrapment. In all people this intrinsic stress to consciousness generates a psychology of anxiety around becoming overly committed or entrapped within circumstances that limit the essential need to become.

While Pluto in any of the cardinal houses signifies a new Soul cycle, Pluto in the 1st house really punctuates the absolute importance of freedom and independence that are required in order to actualize a special destiny waiting to be discovered.  This is a Soul that has operated instinctually from impulses that are felt intensely on a gut level, as opposed to conceptually formulated cues. First-hand experience is the operative vehicle of awareness.  The need to fulfill any desire or experience deemed necessary for the Soul’s development is paramount. The immediacy of potential experience and the need to act on it at any time keeps this signature aloof.  Allegiance is to the self is of prime importance, which points to the reputation for narcissism or self-centeredness.  The characteristics associated with this signature archetypically are: intense, magnetic, defiant, courageous, a penetrating gaze and physical strength.

Yet, Pluto’s need for consistency, perspective, and the why of any desire or action sets up a cyclical implosion of identity.  Eventually, stagnation, limitation, and restriction are eliminated by initiating new experiences and action relevant to where the individual is in process.  A frustration or anger can be projected upon those seen as a barrier to the individual’s freedom.  The Soul will reach a limitation in its growth of existing in a vacuum of personal reference and isolation from others. 

The Pluto Polarity Point (PPP) of the 7th house is where the Soul can receive perspective to the questions of “who am I” “what am I” and will attract others who can assist them in their evolutionary requirements.  There will be an instinctive attraction or repulsion toward certain individuals. This attraction may physical or sexual in nature, although not necessarily acted upon.  The dynamic of repulsion can arise when those they feel deeply attracted to threaten on some level the existing nature of their reality.  Total rejection, wholehearted pursuit, or a combination of attraction and repulsion are all possibilities.

Within relationship the theme of dominance emerges where one can dominate, be dominated, or operate on the basis of equality.  Equality is the lesson here of respect for another’s needs, and unique evolutionary requirements.  This balancing of their own needs and the open recognition and acknowledgment of the legitimate needs of others hones the ability to listen, and ultimately give that the other needs without losing themselves in the process.
Pluto in the 1st can become a courageous example to others to become aware of the nature of their desires and express their individual nature and how to determine which of those desires should and should not be actualized.


God Bless,
Katherine

Everything you have written is an accurate and well expressed description of the essence of Pluto in the 1st.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 25, 2014, 11:18 PM
Hello dear Gino,

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Dear Ari ,thank you for your answer, and i wait with baited breath to go into the answers and themes about polarities points  in a chart and to see how they work together.their does seem to me two distinct themes alive in each chart or alive in each soul. First their is the whole evolutionary journey ,where the soul is in a process of growing, and this is linear , and to understand this is of course is  of the highest importance, but then their is this other reality which stems from the fact that on some deep level the soul is at heart already   that which it seeks to be.

This is true. Source isn't actually "somewhere to get to".

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where and how and to what extent this shows in a chart i am not sure?

The archetype of "truth" itself is Neptune, Pisces, 12th house. Whereas the desire nature of the soul which also correlates to choice and the archetype of "Free will" is Pluto, Scorpio, 8th house.

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but this is just as important a reality for each soul to become aware of ,  that on some deep level, evolution is a kind of illusion on a deep level itself, Am I speaking EA blasphemy here , i hope not .Be cause it is my powerful contention that for each soul on a deep soul level their is a place of no problem, a place of stillness beyond evolution, and that their is a place where the soul has NO problems at all, This and the process of linear evolution are in reality not mutually exclusive. but can sit together  but are just different aspects of reality.

The perception of "problems" is just a perception and is entirely relative to a soul's unique karmic and evolutionary dynamics.

Evolution is by no means linear. To return to the caterpillar chrysalis butterfly analogy: it's not a 1 step 2 step 3 step kind of process (like playing a video game. You "beat" one level then go on to the next). It's phases of newness, growth, culmination, transition etc. same with the soul on it's evolutionary journey. We all go through phases where we develop, play out and culminate some sort of identity. Evolution occurs through the emotional body and the emotional body is by no means linear!

It's a longstanding patriarchal projection on God, spirituality and humans that there is "somewhere to go" and that most of us are "far away" from this place. Many souls have come to believe that there is a split between spirit and flesh, emotions and Self realization; that they are antithetical to one another. So much of what is natural has been repressed and judged on the basis that it is a distraction from God, from the Truth.

A natural way for understanding the evolution of the soul is just the same as we might understand the nurturing of a child into adulthood. We want to support thee child to be exactly where they are and to only take the next step from where they are. The child isn't thinking about it in terms of "ok! I passed the teddy bear stage! One day I'll start my own business then I'll be fulfilled." The child's probably more concerned with Leggos. It's a continual process of becoming, all life experience and the child is completely present for each part of it.

God meets us completely at every stage of our soul growth. We are held and loved and supported to be exactly where we are. It's only our own self created judgement and hierarchies which impedes on the natural blossoming of our own soul growth. From the point of view of God, Love, which is the only real point of view, there is no judgement and there is no problem.

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Their is a danger when only describing the evolutionary dimension of the soul,to to see the whole process of life as a series of problems to overcome .
the whole process of growth implies there is already something wrong to be overcome something missing. Which on one level is of course true . But their is this very real dimension of reality that tells us all that their is with in each of us a silence a stillness place where their is absolutely nothing at all to be gained . I think we have all felt that place and that very very important reality. AND IT HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH EVOLUTION. thanks.

Growth doesn't mean there is something wrong to be overcome at all.

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as ever in this early process of learning it is essential o question the very fundamentals of a particular doctrine,

It is very good to question the fundamentals of a doctrine. I'm called to gently remind you to be mindful of your inner motivations and intentions when doing so.

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this of course then brings about many further questions , for instance the nature of God itself.Is God Imperfect as seems to be the contention of EA, And is in the process of perfecting him?her self in each individuals process of evolution and the evolution of the creation itself . or is God perfect, For ever Perfect ,and is this whole apparent process of becoming just a leela a play . perhaps both are true .

My view on that is different than what Rad has taught here. If you'd like to inquire further into that you can ask on another thread.

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We are moving into the realm of paradox ,where are little minds flounder . But theses are not i believe purely academic, mind issues . but in the end the conclusions we come to about theses are fundamental truths will  form the way we are as astrologers and how we give chart readings ,with love Gino

What's most important for you to concern yourself with are the choices you make on your own soul path Gino.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ginogropp1 on Mar 26, 2014, 01:06 PM
Dear Ari, as everything you very much for your answers ,as ever a lot to ponder and to understand , One point though, I was a little surprised  at your response to my question about the fact that in the beginning it helps to question the fundamentals of doctrine , Surly it is an essential part of the learning process to question. Not in some negative sense , but in the spirit of genuine enquirer . Did i detect a mild warning here ! to be mindful of my inner motivations . I just wonder what you are alluding to , ? what possible inner motivations may i have that have any negative connertations  . I am only seeking the truth , I can not then accept anything simply as gospal. And have to question all . But often by taking the position of devils advocate ,one stimulates the real truth .  Of course this is a thread that is about EA, and takes EA as a truth , yet to learn we must be free to question ?


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 27, 2014, 08:04 AM
Hi Gino,
I acknowledge that it was not necessary for me to say that, and it was not intended a warning. You are so welcome and invited to ask questions here in exactly the way that works for you to do so. Your participation here has been a really beneficial contribution to the community.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 27, 2014, 08:10 AM
Hello everyone!
Thank you all so much for all of your participation in this thread. If you haven't already, let me know if you still intend to post on this segment.
With love
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ginogropp1 on Mar 27, 2014, 12:36 PM
Hallo Ari, thank you for clarifying my query about my motivations  as far as questioning basics are concerned.Are you thinking of closing the this thread, your last post asking if people are going to make more posts ? I for one thought we were just beginning , having covered to some extent Pluto in given houses . I thought we were going to move into exploring polarity points and the  how the trilogy's flower and manifest in the chart . You did also suggest that if i wished to know the difference between yourself and Rad as far as your ideas of Gods working in the chart I should start a new thread . i certainly want to understand and be able to evaluate all the different nuances  that different people hold . Do I need to start a new thread to do so !?? many thanks Love and Light Gino


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 27, 2014, 07:58 PM
Hi Gino,

I'm not closing the thread. I only asked in case there are others who still intend to post before moving to the next phase.

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You did also suggest that if i wished to know the difference between yourself and Rad as far as your ideas of Gods working in the chart I should start a new thread.

The specific question I suggested you start a new thread about is this question:

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Is God Imperfect as seems to be the contention of EA, And is in the process of perfecting him?her self in each individuals process of evolution and the evolution of the creation itself . or is God perfect, For ever Perfect ,and is this whole apparent process of becoming just a leela a play . perhaps both are true .


It's not something I can speak to as I don't share that view of God being imperfect. Therefore if you'd like to learn more about what has been taught in EA about God and imperfection, then you go ahead and start a thread for that. You can also find several quotes regarding that in the EA glossary and search function here.

 
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i certainly want to understand and be able to evaluate all the different nuances  that different people hold . Do I need to start a new thread to do so !??

I really understand the desire to want to understand and evaluate all the different nuances that different people hold. However please understand that this message board is not intended for that approach. This message board is specifically just for learning and practicing the paradigm of EA as taught by Jeff Green.

Since you are asking a question I cannot answer, to learn more ask in a different thread and someone else will respond.

Also, I have the intuition to share this with you. In case you haven't read this yet check this link out as it clarifies the specific parameters of this message board:
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php?topic=105.0 (http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php?topic=105.0)
I share this only so that you can know exactly what the parameters/intentions of this message board are in case you have not yet seen that page.

With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ginogropp1 on Mar 27, 2014, 08:45 PM
Thank you again for the clarification and the rule boundary's as as the MB are concerned ,i have no intention of causing disruption,
and will explore wolfs basic ideas as far as EA and Gods position in it are concerned. i will serch out the glossary and then if necessary start a thread. I have not been firing on all cylinders and working as in intensely as i would wish ,as i have been in the middle if disruptive building work in my home which will come to an end shortly, Again ari thank you with your patience with me i am just ine of theses persons that do not like to leave any stone unturned and have an insatiable appetite ( compulsion ) to understand ALL, must be my 9th house Pluto with several planets in the 8th House  with Love Gino


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: fruitbat on Mar 30, 2014, 08:14 PM
Hi Ari,
 thank you for your response to my post on Pluto in the eighth house. I really appreciate
your thoughtful qualification of a higher vibration possibility to the addendum I made to my
original post. I just wanted to let you know that I will be on an astrological retreat until Friday and I won't have internet access as I do not have a laptop at this point. I will jump back into the thread as soon as I am able when I get back.
                   Thanks again for your efforts in this thread 
                                               be well
                                                           Mike


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Mar 30, 2014, 11:06 PM
Mike, you are so welcome. Enjoy the retreat!

Everyone, I am needing to fully focus on my personal life this week. Next week, or later this week we will begin the next segment: the lunar nodes! I'm really excited for that. Thank you everyone for being a part of this journey with me.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 07, 2014, 09:14 PM
Hello everyone! We are now ready to begin exploring the lunar nodes.

Ego and the Moon
I want to start first by talking about the nature of the ego as well as the general meaning of the astrological Moon. The Moon itself correlates to our ego. Our self image/ self identity describes our ego. Who we think we are; our identity directly determines what we will and will not take in in each moment of our lives. Jeff Green has described the Moon as how the soul will embrace change on a moment to moment basis. The word vibration “embrace” is absolutely a great word to use for the Moon. Embrace means we are accepting, allowing to be ok, recognizing as safe. Implicit in that statement as well is that there will always be threshold to every ego structure that cannot be surpassed. In other words the ego simply WON’T take in what the soul is not ready to take in.

And yet the ego itself does change. If we all think of who we were (our self image, who we thought of ourselves to be) 10 years ago – is it not different than who we think ourselves to be today? Our self image 10 years ago served as the filter through which we related to ALL of our experiences. It was the rose colored glasses through which we saw our entire reality.

In EA, the question that we will ask is always “why” would any particular soul have a particular ego construct at any point in time. The way to approach the answer to that question is to understand that our ego, our self identity, ALWAYS points to a deeper behind the scenes reality: the soul. Your self image 10 years ago was absolutely relevant and useful for your evolutionary needs at that time. As you evolved (exhausting old desires and generating new ones) your self-image naturally changed. The ego follows the soul like a dog follows the alpha.

At every level of evolution there will be an ego construct that will reflect the soul’s level of evolution. The soul is not free from an ego while in human incarnation. In the latter stages of evolution the ego will simply reflect a soul that is simultaneously aware of its unique individuality and its oneness with Source - in other words, a soul that is conscious of itself as being a soul.

The nodes
Every planet (including the Moon) has a south node and a north node. The south nodes and north nodes of all the planets reflect the principle that this life is but one chapter in a long series of incarnations. Where we are now implies a context that has lead to this present moment. The position of the planets in the natal chart symbolize the functions that are operative in the current life: the present moment. However each of these planetary functions are CONDITIONED by the past – their own south nodes.

In general, via the desire to evolve, the soul can make choices in the present moment that reflect its evolutionary potential and intentions. When that happens the natal planet takes on an expression that is increasingly conditioned by its north node. The natal planet is always the present moment function. The present moment will either be a re-live/recreation of the known the past, or reflect the soul's desire to evolve.

The lunar nodes
The Moon represents the ego of the current life – and thus will represent how the soul was nurtured (or not nurtured), emotional memories from the current life that has shaped the soul’s identity, how the soul will adopt to circumstances in a way is safe for where its at at the time. Yet this current life Moon, ego structure is not coming out of no where. Each soul has had MANY ego structures before. The current life ego (Moon placement) can only be accurately understood in the context of it’s south node.

The south node of the Moon symbolizes the kinds of identities the soul has created in the past. If the Moon represents the archetype of "mother" then then south node represents the totality of what has nurtured and held the soul in it's prior lives. It's the "home" that it grew up in.

The south node of the Moon represents the emotional memories and self-identification from prior lives that the soul will come into this life with. It is the most intimate and ingrained symbol of identity in the natal chart.

The “why” behind the south node is again easy to grasp by way of understanding that the ego always reflects the soul. The south node of the Moon reflects the kinds of desires that the soul has had in the prior life that has lead to the creation of the current life (Pluto). In other words, Pluto is the "why" behind the south node.

The north node of the Moon symbolizes a way of embracing change and a new self identity that allows for soul growth. Developing the north node of the Moon activates the Pluto polarity point: evolution.

Here are some further thoughts on the lunar south node:
The south node doesn't inherently imply regressive or progressive qualities. Some ego’s are really nice, some egos are really mean. There are lots of different ego’s out there. The main thing to understand again is that there is always a soul reason for why any soul will manifest any particular ego structure at any point in time.

To provide a very simplified example: If a soul has the sn in Sagittarius it may mean that the soul has lived past lives leading up to this one of constant seeking. It may have sought out teachers, traveled all over the place, become very identified with various beliefs and ideas. It may have developed a very restless attitude towards life; always thinking of and searching for the meaning of things and never satisfied with where it is. The soul may suffer from the “grass is always greener” syndrome which keeps it mentally and physically moving around all the time to “find” that higher truth/business sale/spiritual experience etc. The soul also may have really learned a lot along the journey and amassed a deep inner wisdom as well. It may have a strong intuition and be natural at teaching.

In the current life, the soul will have the emotional memory of what it has been and thus carry forth all the personality qualities that it has developed in the past that match the soul's inner reality.

The south node can imply aspects of the identity that are both fruitive and useful (such as being a skilled teacher) as well as karmic dynamics that need to be re-lived in order to be resolved (such as believing oneself to already “know” everything which will set up various circumstances in the soul's life in order to learn that there is a lot that it doesn't know).

A fruitive condition will represent areas of personal development that the soul brings into this life that can be used in a way that is relevant and supportive to the soul’s current life evolutionary intentions. A re-live condition represents unresolved karmic dynamics from the past that need to be re-lived in order to be resolved.

In rare cases we will find a lunar south node that purely expresses only a fruitive condition or only a re-live condition. In most cases it’s a combination of both. It is not possible to determine the condition of the south node unless you actually observe the individual. The natal chart by itself is an empty map: it does not imply any specific possibility or reality. Only once we apply the soul context to the natal chart does the chart come alive.

Further thoughts on the lunar north node:
The north node represents the evolutionary direction and potential of the soul in the current life. Embracing it is a matter of choice. Choice reflects desire. The north node symbolizes the identity that becomes a new filter for integrating and perceiving reality for the soul. To embrace the north node implies that the soul is willing to let go of its resistance to change. The north node activates evolution.

One thing I want to clarify that is commonly misunderstood about the nodes: the south node isn’t something that the soul sheds or gets rid of. The person with the sn in Sag who is a skilled teacher will not lose their skills as a teacher. By way of the embracing the north node, the south node defacto takes on a more healthy and balanced expression. For example by embracing and appreciating the Gemini principle of many perspectives and many points of views, the soul with the south node in Sag heals and brings into balance any latent self righteousness and thus can be an even more accessible and compassionate teacher (sag).

When we develop our north node identity, 2 things happen simultaneously. This is a beautiful principle within creation: We fulfill our soul's personal destiny/ evolutionary potential (north node, Pluto polarity point) and at the same time we resolve and transmute our past karma (south node/ Pluto as re-shaped by way of embracing the north node/ Pluto polarity point).

So to start, we are going to focus for now only on the lunar nodes. What I'd like everyone to do is to pick any nodal polarity (i.e. Aries Libra, Sag Gemini etc) and examine the polarity in the context of the south and north node. Consider the following questions:

What kind of identity has this soul developed in the past that it is bringing right into this life (sn)? What are some possibilities for how this identity may express? What is the intended/potential identity development of the soul as a reflection of the soul's desire to evolve (nn)? How does developing the north node identity correct/heal unresolved karma within the south node?

You can do this by just sign (or house) or mix and match your own sign/house combo. If you so desire, you can also work with these polarities in both directions (I.E Aries sn - Libra nn, then Libra sn - Aries nn). You are welcome to apply evolutionary stages in whatever way you want to as well.

Eventually, we will add Pluto and the polarity point to our practices so that we can determine the underlying "why" behind the ego. At some point we will also add the Moon so that we can develop a more full understanding of the relationship between the soul and the ego.

I highly recommend reviewing the message board/ the EA glossary for teachings on the lunar nodes and the ego. Here are some really good quotes from Rad and Steve that express the essence of the lunar nodes.

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The South Node correlates to our past life habitual emotional patterns, created relative to the Soul’s desire nature, brought into the present life. These reflect our past choices. Because of habit, fear, resistance, etc. we tend to repeat and repeat the same old choices. (Rad)

A frequent astrological misconception to clear up is we are not trying to leave the South Node behind and move exclusively to the North Node. There is no way to completely leave the South Node behind – it is too much a part of who I am, who I have been for a really long time. It is the South Node of the MOON, and the Moon represents my sense of self-image. What we are trying to do is not leave the South Node behind, but evolve how I perceive and live out the South Node. I take what is learned at the North Node back to the South Node, learning to do the South Node IN NEW WAYS. (Steve)

The North Node is as far away (180 degrees) from the South Node (the past, the known) as it can possibly be. In other words, evolving requires making choices that embrace stepping into an unknown, the exact opposite of what is known. What is known is what causes us to feel safe, secure, etc. even if what is known is dysfunctional. In stepping into an unknown, unconscious fears and insecurities arise, relative to past forgotten memories, which explains why moving into the unknown is so difficult at times for
most of us. (Steve)

The North Node operates initially by the Soul creating a desire(s) that correlates with its ongoing evolutionary intentions as symbolized by the North Node itself. By acting on such desires the North Node then becomes actualized. (Rad)


The Nodal Axis, as well as the entire chart, correlate with dynamics, from life to life, that the Soul is evolving through relative to its core evolutionary intentions: dynamics that are necessary in order for that evolution to proceed. The Nodal Axis of course correlates with the types of egocentric structures that the Soul needs in order to accomplish its ongoing evolutionary intentions. When the Nodal Axis is symbolized by 29 or 0 degrees it does correlate to dynamics, the types of egocentric structures necessary for the Soul, that are either culminating, or just beginning. This does not mean that, for example, if the Nodes are at say 0 Virgo and Pisces that in the next life they will then still be in those signs. There are a variety of dynamics that correlate and contribute to the ongoing evolutionary needs of the Soul. Thus, for example, in the next life relative to those symbols in the current life, it would be entirely possible for the Nodal Axis to be in the 6th and 12th houses, but in totally different signs. It is possible to have the Nodal Axis in not only entirely different signs, but also houses. So we could have the ruler of one of the Nodes then in the 6th house, and the other in the 12th. And so on and so on. The combinations and possibilities are many. (Rad)

As always, please feel free to ask questions about any of this. I look very forward to this next phase of our journey together!
With love


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Emily on Apr 08, 2014, 12:17 PM
Hi Ari Moshe,

Thanks for your feedback on the last section and for this assignment!

In the quote from Rad that you posted - it's said that the nodes at 29 and 0 degrees of a sign reflect a culmination or a beginning of a cycle.  I've also heard that because the nodes mostly move retrograde, for them, 0 degrees of a sign is a culmination and 29 degrees is a new cycle.  I'm conscious lately of being taught different things in life and just letting them both be - but still have the desire to ask the question - which is it?

Thanks and love,
Emily


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 08, 2014, 04:56 PM
Hi Emily,

Here's a thread that addresses this topic:

http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php?topic=314.msg4841#msg4841 (http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php?topic=314.msg4841#msg4841)

To summarize the EA teaching on this: Whether 29 degrees is the beginning or ending of a sign depends entirely on the nature of the point or planet that we are addressing. Every planet in the sky moves direct as its mean motion - 0 degrees being the entry point into every sign. Thus 0 would imply the beginning of a cycle and 29 would imply the culmination of one.

However when it comes to the lunar nodes, since their mean motion is retrograde, whenever they start a sign they always enter from 29 degrees. So in this case 29 degrees would mean a new cycle and 0 would mean culmination.

I should add that I am still observing and correlating through my own experiences - I don't yet understand this totally from within (i.e. beyond just a logical explanation).

With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ginogropp1 on Apr 09, 2014, 05:52 AM
Dear Ari I would just like you to clarify the difference between Pluto and its polarity point and the north and south node , I know that Pluto and the South node have similar modalities . And also Plutos polarity point and the North node also have different modalities , could you in a few sentences explain the differences. how they function differently and the different things they represent . I know this is very basic stuff but would appreciate some basic clarification with love and thanks Gino


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: rita on Apr 09, 2014, 08:46 AM
Hi Ari and group,
I will only be able to post at the end of next week as my life is quite complicated at this point, i hope it is ok and that my delay does not delay the others in this thread. If you feel you cannot wait please continue and i will post as i can.
Thank you for youre understanding
love and peace
rita


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Simon on Apr 10, 2014, 01:46 AM
Hi Ari, firstly thanks for the feedback on my previous assginment.

Will be doing my research on next segment.


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Wei on Apr 10, 2014, 05:45 AM
Hi Ari, I don't truly understand NN and PPP, if we evolve to ppp, the NN will unfold, why don't we just develop PPP...? I wonder if it is because PPP can't be reached in one life time, it's a very long journey to get there, and the NN is what we can reach in this life time through moon, our ego? And by working NN (every lifetime) would help our soul to learn PPP lesson? When we embrace NN, we can nurture our emotional body, heal the past emotional wound? But PPP is about we evolve through soul's desire?

Another question...When nodes are direct in a chart, do we consider 0 degree beginning or ending?


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 10, 2014, 01:45 PM
Hi Gino,

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Dear Ari I would just like you to clarify the difference between Pluto and its polarity point and the north and south node , I know that Pluto and the South node have similar modalities . And also Plutos polarity point and the North node also have different modalities , could you in a few sentences explain the differences. how they function differently and the different things they represent . I know this is very basic stuff but would appreciate some basic clarification with love and thanks Gino

Sure. First I want to clarify that we'll be reviewing the teachings on Pluto and the nodes in a future step. I only brought it up now to provide some basic EA context for the lunar nodes, which is what we are exploring now.

The key is to understand that the identity always exists for a reason. Pluto symbolizes resistance to change, to evolution. It's only through the polarity point of Pluto that the soul overcomes resistance and cooperates with with the force of evolution.

When we are in a state of resistance we will hold on to the same old familiar story that serves that resistance. That story is the story we tell ourselves about who we are (our ego, self identity), and thus about what life is in general. Our self identity creates an emotional filter that will serve to keep us exactly where we are. We will continue to generate the same responses and choices

That's the south node (known self identity) relative to Pluto which symbolizes the reasons and purpose for why the soul will continue to perpetuate that self identity. Note that the south node Pluto relationship doesn't only mean non growth. It can also imply where the soul is already empowered and capable of supporting others. The point however is it symbolizes the past, the known - and the soul is not meant to stay just there.

When we are desiring to evolve, to change, we will choose to think of ourselves differently. We will create a new story; a new filter through which we will take in our reality. This is a new egocentric structure, a new self identity which of course leads to new actions, new choices.

That is the north node relative to the Pluto polarity point: An ego structure that allows for evolution beyond the fixations of security implied by the position of natal Pluto.

With love
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 10, 2014, 02:47 PM
Hi Wei,
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Hi Ari, I don't truly understand NN and PPP, if we evolve to ppp, the NN will unfold, why don't we just develop PPP...?

Other way around. If we develop the NN, the ppp is defacto activated. We CAN just develop the PPP. And the way that happens is through the human life that we are living. As long as we are incarnated into human form, we cannot take the identity out of the picture. The identity moves along with the soul.

 
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I wonder if it is because PPP can't be reached in one life time, it's a very long journey to get there, and the NN is what we can reach in this life time through moon, our ego? And by working NN (every lifetime) would help our soul to learn PPP lesson? When we embrace NN, we can nurture our emotional body, heal the past emotional wound? But PPP is about we evolve through soul's desire?

We will address all of this more thoroughly soon. The Pluto polarity point isn't something that is "reached" in a final kind of way. The reason for this is we are talking about the nature of desire. The Pluto polarity point represents evolution itself. And evolution implies that there is an existing condition that at some point will end.It's a continual process of becoming.

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Another question...When nodes are direct in a chart, do we consider 0 degree beginning or ending?

0 is the ending with the nodes. Check out Emily's post above.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Emily on Apr 12, 2014, 05:01 PM
Hello,

Thank you for the response to my question on the nodes.

Here's an attempt at SN Capricorn, NN Cancer and SN Cancer, NN Capricorn.

Thanks again so much for this opportunity to practice!

Blessings,
Emily


South Node in Capricorn or the 10th House:

A soul with the South Node in Capricorn has previously been identifying itself with its role in society.  The soul has perhaps been over identified with its career or public life.   The soul could have had a position of power and authority over others.  Or the soul could have been dominated by the authority of another or others.  The prior life identity may be very crystalized in the consciousness of the individual - not that it wouldn't be in other placements, but with capricorn symbolizing the structure of consciousness, the identity has become rigid and maybe overly defined.  The definition could be a situation where the identity has been formed based on the values, norms of the consensus.  The soul may have been working with an identity - creating the kind of life that looks like everyone else's - including the kind of work, the lifestyle, etc.  The soul may be carrying shame about who it is - it could have received judgements and there could have been a repression of the true identity.  Or the soul could have also been very judgmental of others.  The soul could also have been very strongly rooted in an inner sense of authority - being who it is without needing to conform to the consensus.  This placement may be very different for a man or a woman and an exploration of traditional or non-traditional gender roles may have been something the soul was working with and continues to be working with.  This is a placement of the identity being very conditioned by the patriarchy? (not that all other positions don't have patriarchal distortions) With the nodes in Capricorn/Cancer a recent gender switch for the soul is a possibility.   Souls with a South Node in Capricorn or the 10th will feel focused and driven in some way to 'succeed'.  What they are basing that success on will be different based on the different evolutionary states and cultural conditioning.  The soul has either put forth the appropriate effort to make itself useful to society or it hasn't.  The soul may have developed talent as a leader.  Or the soul may have neglected its responsibilities.  The soul may also have been identifying with itself with a defeatist attitude.  The soul can be very identified with structures of the past.   There is karma around how the soul was identified with itself and how it operated in society.  The soul may choose to come into a family where it is forced to grow up at a young age or have strong karma with the father or main provider.

Consensus State:

The roles the soul has been identified with will have been very traditional in nature.  The soul would have been very identified with trying to conform to the consensus and to further its ambitions in society.  It may have been striving to attain more material wealth, social status and power, and have used any means necessary to get there.  There may have been depression when its ventures were blocked or failed.  This could symbolize the soul being very identified with a position of power within society.  In the later stages of the consensus state, with some sort of position in politics or business, or some other sort of leader.  The ultimate authority is seen as coming from outside of the individual.

Individuated State:

The soul has begun to desire to shed layers of conditioning.  The soul may have become deeply reflective as it begins to connect with a sense of inner authority that may be at odds with how the consensus says it should be living.  There may be periods of depression when the gap between how the soul has been living and how it inwardly feels becomes very great.  In the second stage the soul can experience not being able to integrate its identity into society - there is a complete rebellion against society.  The soul will begin and eventually will actualize a role in society that is in tune with its uniqueness and the gifts it has to bring to help move society forward.  The soul could have already learned how to do this and have had a very important role in society.  Success may be based on being able to create structures in one's life that reflect the inner essence of who the soul feels itself to be.

Spiritual State:

In this state the identity may have been linked to doing work in the world on behalf of the creator.  It may have been linked to feeling a great responsibility to do the 'right' thing (at any evolutionary stage).  The soul may have been overly identified with a specific spiritual teaching or institution - that was perhaps limiting the evolution of the soul.  The soul may be in the spiritual state but be identified with a consensus religion in a spiritual way.  The soul will feel that God is the ultimate authority and defer to source when needing direction, finding the answers within itself in that way.  The soul has perhaps identified itself with creating structures related to its spirituality and being of service (healing).  In the first stage the soul may not have felt good enough to bring its talents out into the world and may not have developed them sufficiently - or may have developed them but not allowed them to be put to use.  In the second stage this seems like someone who could definitely have been over identified with a role as a spiritual leader or guru of some kind.


North Node in Cancer or the 4th House

Where the identity has become overly conditioned and rigid, the North Node in Cancer is about coming home to oneself.  The soul can evolve by shifting the identity to the inner emotional realm vs. being so focused on its public role.  All of the responsibility and leadership one has potentially already developed can be brought forward but in a way that is more emotionally intelligent.  Any way the identity has limited the processing of emotions needs to be opened up.  This includes touch and nurturing.  Where the soul has perhaps suppressed or shut out certain feelings, the soul now needs to learn how to soften and allow its emotional body to flow.  The soul may need to focus more actively on family life - the identity shifting to being a nurturer (a nurturing provider).  The soul also needs to learn how take care of itself - nurturing itself as well as others on an emotional level.  The soul is learning to take responsibility for its emotions. Where in the past emotions may have seemed scary or too messy or chaotic to deal with they will need to be accessed for evolution to occur.  The soul is not meant to revert its identity to being like a child, but certain aspects that have perhaps become too rigid or serious need to be softened and the person needs to open up their self-image to be more human.  Where the soul may have become bitter or jaded it can grow by seeing things as a child would see them, being in the moment and rediscovering a sense of wonder.  Bringing the SN with it, the soul will create the structures in its life that support emotional grounding and wellbeing.  The soul can evolve by acknowledging its basic emotional needs and learning to meet them for itself, as well as opening up to others and allowing itself to be vulnerable.  The soul will begin to identify strength with vulnerability.

Consensus State:

Basic emotional needs will be met in a consensus way?  Consensus family structures, gender assignments etc.  The soul will need to internalize a sense of security and authority(SN).

Individuated State:

The soul can evolve by embracing an identity that is true to who it is on an individuated level.  Breaking free from definitions related to the soul's role in society, the soul will be opening up to how it is different from everyone else.  It will be seeking emotional security even as the identity is shifting to one that may be very different from those around it and thus trigger a feeling of insecurity.  The intention is to find emotional security within - to be oneself and love oneself.

Spiritual State:

In this state the soul will be progressively broadening its identity beyond itself, the ego humbling itself and moving closer and closer to re-merging with source.  Opening up to feelings is essential to evolution, and in this state maybe the soul moves from a more ascetic form of spirituality to one of devotion (not that that is the only path).  The soul has perhaps become too identified with its public role or trying to control its life and needs to come back to itself as a child of God – equal and vulnerable as everyone else on the path. Perhaps someone moving towards a path as a householder. Finding security through connecting to source within.  And learning to see emotions as part of the totality of creation?


South Node in Cancer or the 4th House

With this placement of the south node the soul has perhaps not been receiving emotional nurturing from the environment - as a child and later in life.  The soul may choose parents who can’t meet its emotional needs or who treat it like a child for too long and neglect helping the child mature.  Or the parents may be able to mirror the child very well and support the internalization of the parental role.  If unmet needs of the child are not learned to be met by the individual,  they will be carried into adulthood and projected onto partners, friends, one's own children, etc.  The soul may be used to co-dependent type relationships.  The soul will be a natural nurturer, having been identified with this in the past life.  Family may be very important to the soul and there may be strong karmic ties with the mother, or main nurturer, in particular.  The soul can still be working on anchoring emotional security within itself, learning how to take care of itself.  Or the soul may be good at this, having been thrown back on itself often in the past and learned to internalize a sense of emotional security.  There may be strong emotional imprints from the past - from the childhood in this life, or from the childhood in another life - that the soul is still working to integrate.  In some way the focus on the past life ego is emphasized as the 4th house partly represents the current life identity.  The soul has perhaps been over identified with its emotions and needs to to step back and learn how to navigate the emotional waters without getting swept away in them.  The soul may be fearful of growing up or leaving home - identifying very strongly with home and family - finding safety there and not wanting to leave - perhaps due to loss of family in a past life.  Or the soul may not feel that it has a secure home base in this life.

North Node in Capricorn or the 10th House

This symbolizes the need to mature in some way.  The identity needs to shift towards one of self-responsibility and accountability.  The soul needs to build a strong foundation for itself, within and without.  Within, a strong emotional foundation is needed - some structure to contain the emotional body - healthy boundaries and space to hold one's own vulnerability - not to repress it but some sort of form that allows the identity to be more contained and workable.  The potential oversensitivity of the south node placement can benefit from some solid structures in the life.  Definition can lend a sense of security to the soul - without it needing to be excessively rigid definition.  Without, solid foundations can be in the form of actual structures (home etc.) and in the lifestyle that support the soul's comfort and ability to grow. The role the soul plays in society can help pull the person out of themselves, out of the inner emotional focus.  The soul can do work in the world that involves nurturing others and be very good at that.  They can support emotional self sufficiency in others.  The soul can learn to identify as their own parent - taking care of their own inner child, meeting their own needs.  The soul can learn to see its childhood as necessary for learning the lessons it needed to learn.  Somehow the way the soul has been identifying with itself in the past will be restructured.


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: rita on Apr 13, 2014, 11:43 AM

 Hi Ari and group,


What kind of identity has this soul developed in the past that it is bringing right into this life SN?

The South node correlates to all the prior egocentric structure of the soul with its mode of operation for actualizing Pluto´s desires in the past, and where the soul is emotionally  secure and feels self identification in this lifetime.
Although we have the tendency to project forward the past into the present to remain secure, it takes an effort to go into the unknown to step out into actual insecurity as we are trying to break away from the past and its familiarity as an evolutionary process.

The identity of the soul with the South node in the first house in Leo, has brought forward is that the soul has a special destiny to fulfill, that involves some form of self creative actualization and nothing or anybody can get in its way.
Being in Leo this soul, could feel as a special destiny to be extremely creative but have no idea of what it came here to create as it is in the first house, starting a new cycle.
Another variant could be that this individual came into this life with a deep love and desire to have children (Leo) and live for their offspring, making them an extention of themselves.
This soul would have the ability to start new things totally independent from others. It would seek to find answers to its deepest questions by interiorizing its emotions and seeking the answers from within.
The need for freedom and independence would trigger a deep fear of a committed long lasting relationship, as the individual is primarily trying to discover itself as an individual.
Being in Leo through out its life it could have had hypnotic sexual attractions with no forethought (first house) of the consequences of these actions.Getting involved / or seeking relationships with somebody that was not really available for a lasting relationship so that the individual did not feel trapped into the relationship walking away at any time that things got too grounded.
Possibly this individual is needing quite a lot of praise and admiration(Leo) from others and constant attention to feel secure with itself. The first imprint of its fulfilled needs as a child if not fulfilled by the parents and immediate family would leave a deep imprint of neediness / insecurity as an adult in the individual.
 But also the opposite could be true of not needing the attention any more upon itself.
It could need to be recognized for its bravery and capacity to lead in what ever venture it decides to do, liking competition, it will push itself to their limits as it is so important to win and to be recognized as the star.
Failure and shame would be a very difficult pain to bare. Limitations are perceived with anger that in extreme cases could trigger violence / intolerance in the individual,  This because they need to get on with it or go into a new project, impatience builds up  and weakness in the other is not tolerated, provoking confrontations of some kind with others.

First house SN in Leo will like competition, and will work hard to be the best and once it has reached the best it will move on to some new thing again.There is a deep need to satisfy itself through being full of itself.  Creativity and role playing will expand its world view of who it wants to be.This individual could easily be a born actor or have  played different roles in his prior and actual life time so as to understand  and discover its self identity.
This individual could have deep unconscious memories of having been in a position of power in prior lives, and this attitude of superiority / being waited upon would be for this individual a natural way of being in life, shocking others who might not understand it and falsely interpreting it as something that is not, giving way to confrontations, that will make the individual go into itself and examine itself towards the others behavior or expectations that others may have of them.
The individuals can be very generous towards others, showering them with gifts that they have  personally chosen, the individual likes to be liked and to be the sunshine of others.
Possibly as a child and along its life this individual would take risks believing that it is super human and nothing could go wrong or gamble in bets with friends because of its need to exhibit itself as the best. Following its desire  for recognition or being noticed as special in some way, this individual could spontaneously engage in fights of honor over some sexual attraction with no tomorrow, finding itself in a situation with no way out, only  to understand the consequences of its desire once it is too late to stop the out come. 
 SN in Leo first house there is a tendency for this individual to be full of self and focus its life on its self( first house / Leo), before others, these individuals have a tendency to be loners so as to be free to follow its desire at any time.
 
This individual in the consensus stage of evolution with south node Leo in the first house, would be focussing on having some form of  personal power or fame to feel secure of its role in society. Putting self first desiring to out shine all others,  using its narcissistic desires for fear of loosing its shine and glory to another. Having little awareness of the needs or desires of others, and always seeking the recognition of its presence by exhibiting its solar inner child in a dramatic fashion, basically all is focused through the self lens.
In the consensus state the individual could have the tendency to have co-dependent relationships, because it would be better to have somebody than to be alone and then suddenly finding the whole thing too oppressive but will remain in the relationship for fear of loosing its status, position. It is also important to remember that where the individual is born and what are the societies conditions will alter its desires and needs.There could be a great doses of narcissistic tendency with little instinct to give and help the other if it does not give it something back.

Individuated Soul would try to break away from any pattern of behavior that would restrict it to discover its creative self realization in a not so self focused way, although it may find a certain resistance ( cardinal / fixed energy) realizing that others also exist and are just as important as itself. Understanding  that others, that share similar ideas with some different points of views causing heated confrontations the individual realizes that their points of view are just as valid as its own, these confrontations show the individual how it is limited to its own narrow beliefs or outlook in life in general. This causes the individual to retreat into itself and  after some thought it could integrate and adopt as its own these new points of views. It would need to break away from any thing  that it felt was impeaching its souls discovery, be this society, family or job.
The individual is acknowledging that it is different to be in a group of one, and the alienation it feels towards the society, family and most in general is because it never wants to be integrated again into the consensus world..
The pull to discover out more of itself  is so intense that it will take it towards adventures so as try and find new ways of being in the world as the old no longer seems to resonate to what it now desires, and this desire is stronger than the familiar pattern that it was rooted in.
Once the soul has learnt to feel well with itself and has de-conditioned itself it now knows who it is and who it is not and what it cannot be.
The individual  will liberate itself from the emotional trauma by objectifying and thus becoming detached with the possibility of internalizing the event and working with it for what it really is and move on, understanding that  the trauma was an evolutionary necessity that its soul desired to experience so as to know itself better and in new ways and bring back into the society what it has to give of innovative without fearing to be absorbed in the consensus reality.


 In a spiritual stage the soul would desire to know God / Goddess, the Source, through some form of service towards the other, feeling small as it starts to understand how small it really is in comparison to the universe. It could work relentlessly at training some form of physical exercise where it could integrate its life purpose.  Like Yoga, meditation or some martial art would by itself help this individuals have the discipline to continually focus its desire to rid itself of any separating desires  other that to return to the source.
The danger would be that it could feel that it has known God/Goddess and that it now has special powers over others, that these powers come from itself  creative realization(SN Leo first), when speaking to others spreading its message, it will speak as if the power that it thinks it has is from its own merit, giving it personal power and a sense of purpose. Sooner or later there are going to be confrontations with others who will point out its flaws and his soul will have to recognize by the humiliation  and downfall it will endure,  and that these separating desires have to be purged out so as to continue its evolutionary intent which is to work its return towards God/Goddess, the source.
This soul could also present itself as very shy and not desiring at all to be in the lime light, being happy as a second hand player, being alone with self would feel quite comfortable to go in its quest to unite itself to the source by letting go of its separating desires one by one. This could be because its soul has been deeply hurt and traumatized in the past, making it believe that it is safer to be alone.

What is the intended/potential identity development of the soul as a reflection of the souls desire to evolve?

The polarity point  NN being in the 7th house Aquarius, this would show us that this individual is discovering his own identity in relationships through comparison and contrast away from the consensus societal ways. It will seek relationships who can broaden its view of itself in relation to its fear of loss of freedom. As these individuals seek new relationships when their evolution stagnates they will seek people who can help them understand who they are and how others relate to each other, it will not tolerate any person telling them how they have to be as it is leaving behind all the shackles from the past .  It would seek partners who need freedom and are independent thinkers helping it to understand that its fear to commit is just a fear and can be over come. Possibly this individual would like to live in some community for a while away from society.
For evolution to proceed the individual will seek as many different people as it can so as to learn to objectify life situations and itself. This is very important as has been so self focussed in the past and now its evolutionary intent is learning to recognize the other person as an equal to itself. It is learning that there is no need to project its fears onto others, by learning to listen and accept the differences and uniqueness within others. It will also learn to share its creativity without out the fear of loss of position. It will welcome others who are just as creative as itself and acknowledge that others have a right to shine also It will also give to others what they need and not what they do not need or want.
Being in Aquarius it would show us that this person has suffered trauma through others and may now prefer to be alone then to be hurt again. What is the point, sort of attitude. This could show us that there was trauma  to the mental body becoming disconnected in another life, this situation has been brought forward from the past and it is still holding unto it, because its consciousness of time space reality is not there. This will only add to the difficulty this individual has with any conformity. Freedom to be with as many people as it can will be a priority it may adopt the new cultural identities of the people it relates to, new foods, new ways of dressing, new readings that will broaden its views and help it know who it is. Friends, family will be surprised and can see the individual as a chameleon with little or no personality its own, but that would not be the case, as the individual is just trying on suits, to see which fits best its personality of the moment.
This individual would feel the need to be different, there could be a misguided rebellion as it is trying to find its authority within relationships, others and within its society, desiring its uniqueness  to be fully acknowledged by others.
This individual could be extremely innovative,  this creates in the individual fear of the consensus  thinking for being  so different from others, it could have a very personal way of dressing, it would admire eccentricity and individualism  in friends, art, small groups and would probably seek different people to bond with or simply feel comfortable as a group of one. This individual could also be balancing his feminine and masculine side as it engages in different relationships.
 It is the need to complete itself through relationships learning about ones identity through comparison and contrast, the secret is to create a balance between the need to complete self through comparison and contrast the need to combine the polarity to create a balance  of the two  so as to create a new identity in which mutual respect, balance and equality is the norm.

The evolutionary intent for this individual is to find the balance, freedom and equality in the relationships it forms,  to integrate its SN in the present moment and the need to be free and independent to pursue its desire and its self creative potential and at the same time, by doing this it integrates the NNode evolutionary intent  for this life which is to decondition and rebel from any traditional or conform to any consensus values, by being its own individual unique self.

The intent to heal Karma relationships would be to stop having co-dependent relationships with others in which the person is not really itself and is no longer confused of who it is in relationship to others. 7th house correlates to all sort of imbalances and extreme behavior in relationships that could have flip-flopped in the past not knowing who it was any more as it adopted others points of views as its own, and possibly projected those needs outside of itself for validation to give it a sense of who it is, possibly creating all the distortions of the extremities.



Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: fruitbat on Apr 14, 2014, 05:18 AM
Hi Ari and everyone,


 South Node in Virgo House 8
This soul has developed an identity with the pattern of being of practical service and working in the physical world,  of practicing humility, of  desiring to be worthy and seeking purification or self improvement, of  being self critical and worrying ( potentially feeling  guilt or potential of masochism ), of having discriminatory mental processes, of honing a form of craftsmanship, of organizing details and handling the "fine print" , and of being health conscious. With these Virgoan qualities placed in the eighth house, there is the sense that these are all  qualities which exist outside the self and that this soul must pursue or merge with these same qualities in order to evolve or transcend its current limitations. Feelings of  power and powerlessness will probably be attached to some of the aforementioned themes.  There is the potential for a psychological intensification of these patterns with the house placement. Looking at this South Node placement archetypally, the image of a soul improving itself through some sort of purgatorial process is an image that comes to me. Here are some specific potential expressions for this identity:
-A person who works very hard in order to heal or stave off a sense of guilt.
-A person who seeks power through some form of occult servitude.
-A person who seeks to be pure through celibacy.
-A person who is a sexual slave or servant.
-A person who seeks some form of salvation (underlying this is really a sense of power) through humility or service.
-A person who accepts a menial life of servitude due to not feeling worthy of more.
- A person who works out incessantly or obsesses over their diet in order to have control over the body.
-A person who becomes powerful due to perfecting a craft or skill.
-A person with an eating disorder.
-A person who greatly fears death and worries about death often.
-A person born into a low caste in a socially stratified society who cleans up after others.
- A person who worries about other peoples resources more than his/her own.
- A hospice volunteer.
- A person who feels guilty for other people's issues.
These are just a few specific examples to illustrate some of the multivalent possibilities for the South Node in Virgo in the eighth house placement.
Consensus  A soul in this state would tend to accept consensus ideals around self improvement and would focus on socially accepted forms of work, service and health issues. Honing a craft or skill which is in some way useful to the society at large, acceptance of being a member of "the lower rung" in a class conscious society, etc.
Individuated    A soul in the individuated state would be more and more focused on self improvement or on honing a craft not in relation to any societal convention or need. Here perhaps a soul would be focused on self improvement through learning the craft of being an astrologer, practicing the physical art of yoga, sexual practices, etc.
Spiritual    Here the soul would begin to focus on true humility, spiritual service, and of purifying all separating desires (sexual and otherwise) from the self.

North Node in Pisces House 2  The intended/ potential development for this soul as a reflection of the desire to evolve is to learn spiritual (Pisces) self reliance (House2) which may involve such themes as letting go(Pisces) of the need to be  always practical(Virgo), of  reliance(House 2) on non physical resources(Pisces), of learning the value in dreaming/visioning and of giving things over to God/dess. Ultimately, the goal here is to be in touch with one's inherent value/worth as a child of God/dess and to extend universal compassion(Pisces) to one's own inherent self worth(house2)-a treasure chest of sensitivity and compassion  within. Giving all efforts over to the divine-perhaps heading to the mountaintop and away from the marketplace.
The North Node in this case helps to correct or heal the unresolved karma around the issue that a soul can potentially obtain power infinitely and evolve itself infinitely through desiring to improve itself or purify itself by attaching to ideals or power sources outside of itself. At some point the soul will have to "let go and let God/dess"-here is a  true spiritual treasure. 

Thank you for this learning opportunity. Be well everyone.


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 14, 2014, 06:14 PM
Hi Emily,

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South Node in Capricorn or the 10th House:

A soul with the South Node in Capricorn has previously been identifying itself with its role in society.  The soul has perhaps been over identified with its career or public life.   The soul could have had a position of power and authority over others.  Or the soul could have been dominated by the authority of another or others.  The prior life identity may be very crystalized in the consciousness of the individual - not that it wouldn't be in other placements, but with capricorn symbolizing the structure of consciousness, the identity has become rigid and maybe overly defined.  The definition could be a situation where the identity has been formed based on the values, norms of the consensus.  The soul may have been working with an identity - creating the kind of life that looks like everyone else's - including the kind of work, the lifestyle, etc.  The soul may be carrying shame about who it is - it could have received judgements and there could have been a repression of the true identity.  Or the soul could have also been very judgmental of others.  The soul could also have been very strongly rooted in an inner sense of authority - being who it is without needing to conform to the consensus.  This placement may be very different for a man or a woman and an exploration of traditional or non-traditional gender roles may have been something the soul was working with and continues to be working with.  This is a placement of the identity being very conditioned by the patriarchy?

In my observation, Capricorn/saturn/10th house almost always has the implication of that in any chart. What's really interesting is, because we are all IN IT and conditioned by patriarchy in nearly every aspect of our lives, it can be very hard to even notice and acknowledge the reality of our conditioning in many respects. That's one of the challenges of the Capricorn archetype. Like how elderly people are

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(not that all other positions don't have patriarchal distortions) With the nodes in Capricorn/Cancer a recent gender switch for the soul is a possibility.   Souls with a South Node in Capricorn or the 10th will feel focused and driven in some way to 'succeed'.  What they are basing that success on will be different based on the different evolutionary states and cultural conditioning.  The soul has either put forth the appropriate effort to make itself useful to society or it hasn't.  The soul may have developed talent as a leader.  Or the soul may have neglected its responsibilities.  The soul may also have been identifying with itself with a defeatist attitude.  The soul can be very identified with structures of the past.   There is karma around how the soul was identified with itself and how it operated in society.  The soul may choose to come into a family where it is forced to grow up at a young age or have strong karma with the father or main provider.

Excellent considerations of this archetype!

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Consensus State:

The roles the soul has been identified with will have been very traditional in nature.  The soul would have been very identified with trying to conform to the consensus and to further its ambitions in society.  It may have been striving to attain more material wealth, social status and power, and have used any means necessary to get there.  There may have been depression when its ventures were blocked or failed.  This could symbolize the soul being very identified with a position of power within society.  In the later stages of the consensus state, with some sort of position in politics or business, or some other sort of leader.  The ultimate authority is seen as coming from outside of the individual.

Individuated State:

The soul has begun to desire to shed layers of conditioning.  The soul may have become deeply reflective as it begins to connect with a sense of inner authority that may be at odds with how the consensus says it should be living.  There may be periods of depression when the gap between how the soul has been living and how it inwardly feels becomes very great.  In the second stage the soul can experience not being able to integrate its identity into society - there is a complete rebellion against society.  The soul will begin and eventually will actualize a role in society that is in tune with its uniqueness and the gifts it has to bring to help move society forward.  The soul could have already learned how to do this and have had a very important role in society.  Success may be based on being able to create structures in one's life that reflect the inner essence of who the soul feels itself to be.

Spiritual State:

In this state the identity may have been linked to doing work in the world on behalf of the creator.  It may have been linked to feeling a great responsibility to do the 'right' thing (at any evolutionary stage).  The soul may have been overly identified with a specific spiritual teaching or institution - that was perhaps limiting the evolution of the soul.  The soul may be in the spiritual state but be identified with a consensus religion in a spiritual way.  The soul will feel that God is the ultimate authority and defer to source when needing direction, finding the answers within itself in that way.  The soul has perhaps identified itself with creating structures related to its spirituality and being of service (healing).  In the first stage the soul may not have felt good enough to bring its talents out into the world and may not have developed them sufficiently - or may have developed them but not allowed them to be put to use.  In the second stage this seems like someone who could definitely have been over identified with a role as a spiritual leader or guru of some kind.

North Node in Cancer or the 4th House

Where the identity has become overly conditioned and rigid, the North Node in Cancer is about coming home to oneself.  The soul can evolve by shifting the identity to the inner emotional realm vs. being so focused on its public role.  All of the responsibility and leadership one has potentially already developed can be brought forward but in a way that is more emotionally intelligent.  Any way the identity has limited the processing of emotions needs to be opened up.  This includes touch and nurturing.  Where the soul has perhaps suppressed or shut out certain feelings, the soul now needs to learn how to soften and allow its emotional body to flow.  The soul may need to focus more actively on family life - the identity shifting to being a nurturer (a nurturing provider).  The soul also needs to learn how take care of itself - nurturing itself as well as others on an emotional level.  The soul is learning to take responsibility for its emotions. Where in the past emotions may have seemed scary or too messy or chaotic to deal with they will need to be accessed for evolution to occur.  The soul is not meant to revert its identity to being like a child, but certain aspects that have perhaps become too rigid or serious need to be softened and the person needs to open up their self-image to be more human.  Where the soul may have become bitter or jaded it can grow by seeing things as a child would see them, being in the moment and rediscovering a sense of wonder. 

Bringing the SN with it, the soul will create the structures in its life that support emotional grounding and wellbeing.  The soul can evolve by acknowledging its basic emotional needs and learning to meet them for itself, as well as opening up to others and allowing itself to be vulnerable.  The soul will begin to identify strength with vulnerability.

All beautifully expressed.

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Consensus State:

Basic emotional needs will be met in a consensus way?  Consensus family structures, gender assignments etc.  The soul will need to internalize a sense of security and authority(SN).

Since it is about evolution, the self image will have to change to accommodate for that which the soul otherwise was not able to take in. This may be about relaxing judgement and putting care and nurturing first. Or it may mean life circumstances will at some point invite more vulnerability and emotional intimacy.

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Individuated State:

The soul can evolve by embracing an identity that is true to who it is on an individuated level.  Breaking free from definitions related to the soul's role in society, the soul will be opening up to how it is different from everyone else.  It will be seeking emotional security even as the identity is shifting to one that may be very different from those around it and thus trigger a feeling of insecurity.  The intention is to find emotional security within - to be oneself and love oneself.

Spiritual State:

In this state the soul will be progressively broadening its identity beyond itself, the ego humbling itself and moving closer and closer to re-merging with source.  Opening up to feelings is essential to evolution, and in this state maybe the soul moves from a more ascetic form of spirituality to one of devotion (not that that is the only path).  The soul has perhaps become too identified with its public role or trying to control its life and needs to come back to itself as a child of God – equal and vulnerable as everyone else on the path. Perhaps someone moving towards a path as a householder. Finding security through connecting to source within.  And learning to see emotions as part of the totality of creation?

Yes all of that is a possibility.

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South Node in Cancer or the 4th House

With this placement of the south node the soul has perhaps not been receiving emotional nurturing from the environment - as a child and later in life.  The soul may choose parents who can’t meet its emotional needs or who treat it like a child for too long and neglect helping the child mature.  Or the parents may be able to mirror the child very well and support the internalization of the parental role.  If unmet needs of the child are not learned to be met by the individual,  they will be carried into adulthood and projected onto partners, friends, one's own children, etc.  The soul may be used to co-dependent type relationships.  The soul will be a natural nurturer, having been identified with this in the past life.  Family may be very important to the soul and there may be strong karmic ties with the mother, or main nurturer, in particular.  The soul can still be working on anchoring emotional security within itself, learning how to take care of itself.  Or the soul may be good at this, having been thrown back on itself often in the past and learned to internalize a sense of emotional security.  There may be strong emotional imprints from the past - from the childhood in this life, or from the childhood in another life - that the soul is still working to integrate.  In some way the focus on the past life ego is emphasized as the 4th house partly represents the current life identity.  The soul has perhaps been over identified with its emotions and needs to to step back and learn how to navigate the emotional waters without getting swept away in them.  The soul may be fearful of growing up or leaving home - identifying very strongly with home and family - finding safety there and not wanting to leave - perhaps due to loss of family in a past life.  Or the soul may not feel that it has a secure home base in this life.

All well expressed. Another fruitive expression of this would be a soul that is capable of adopting well to various circumstances, has healthy boundaries, knows how to receive and give touch and has the inner maturity and wisdom to abide in the present moment emotional reality and integrate whatever the emotions are saying while not identifying with the emotions them self.

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North Node in Capricorn or the 10th House

This symbolizes the need to mature in some way.  The identity needs to shift towards one of self-responsibility and accountability.  The soul needs to build a strong foundation for itself, within and without.  Within, a strong emotional foundation is needed - some structure to contain the emotional body - healthy boundaries and space to hold one's own vulnerability - not to repress it but some sort of form that allows the identity to be more contained and workable.  The potential oversensitivity of the south node placement can benefit from some solid structures in the life.  Definition can lend a sense of security to the soul - without it needing to be excessively rigid definition.  Without, solid foundations can be in the form of actual structures (home etc.) and in the lifestyle that support the soul's comfort and ability to grow. The role the soul plays in society can help pull the person out of themselves, out of the inner emotional focus.  The soul can do work in the world that involves nurturing others and be very good at that.  They can support emotional self sufficiency in others.  The soul can learn to identify as their own parent - taking care of their own inner child, meeting their own needs.  The soul can learn to see its childhood as necessary for learning the lessons it needed to learn.  Somehow the way the soul has been identifying with itself in the past will be restructured.

Another important consideration is time. It takes time, application and patience to re-condition one's behaviors and choices in accordance to what the soul wishes to build for itself.

Thank you for your post Emily. Everything you wrote expresses very clearly the nature of these archetypes linked with the nodes.
With love
Ari moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 14, 2014, 06:17 PM
Hi Rita and Mike. Thank you for your posts! I'll be sitting with your posts, as well as anyone else who may post, tomorrow and Wed.
With love
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Simon on Apr 15, 2014, 09:52 AM
Hi Ari - been so busy at the moment with stuff , that I have not had a chance to do my post. It's okay if I get it to you but Wednesday.

Blessing Simon

Sorry for the delay group.



Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Katherine on Apr 16, 2014, 04:23 AM
Hi Ari,
I'll be posting soon- no latter than Friday.
(Please don't wait on my behalf.)

Thank you.

God bless,
Katherine


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 16, 2014, 02:20 PM
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Hi Rita,

What kind of identity has this soul developed in the past that it is bringing right into this life SN?

The South node correlates to all the prior egocentric structure of the soul with its mode of operation for actualizing Pluto´s desires in the past, and where the soul is emotionally  secure and feels self identification in this lifetime.
Although we have the tendency to project forward the past into the present to remain secure, it takes an effort to go into the unknown to step out into actual insecurity as we are trying to break away from the past and its familiarity as an evolutionary process.

The identity of the soul with the South node in the first house in Leo, has brought forward is that the soul has a special destiny to fulfill, that involves some form of self creative actualization and nothing or anybody can get in its way.

Being in Leo this soul, could feel as a special destiny to be extremely creative but have no idea of what it came here to create as it is in the first house, starting a new cycle.
Another variant could be that this individual came into this life with a deep love and desire to have children (Leo) and live for their offspring, making them an extention of themselves.

This soul would have the ability to start new things totally independent from others. It would seek to find answers to its deepest questions by interiorizing its emotions and seeking the answers from within.
The need for freedom and independence would trigger a deep fear of a committed long lasting relationship, as the individual is primarily trying to discover itself as an individual.

Being in Leo through out its life it could have had hypnotic sexual attractions with no forethought (first house) of the consequences of these actions.Getting involved / or seeking relationships with somebody that was not really available for a lasting relationship so that the individual did not feel trapped into the relationship walking away at any time that things got too grounded.

All excellent and really well said. One correction: Leo in the 1st isn't inherently afraid of things getting too grounded. Grounding isn't relevant to this archetype. It's the need for freedom for the soul to actualize its own creative impulses however it needs to and the strong self orientation that may keep the soul from really integrating balanced relationships with others on equal terms. "Walking away" would perhaps be more relevant if Sagittarius was involved.

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Possibly this individual is needing quite a lot of praise and admiration(Leo) from others and constant attention to feel secure with itself. The first imprint of its fulfilled needs as a child if not fulfilled by the parents and immediate family would leave a deep imprint of neediness / insecurity as an adult in the individual.

 But also the opposite could be true of not needing the attention any more upon itself.
It could need to be recognized for its bravery and capacity to lead in what ever venture it decides to do, liking competition, it will push itself to their limits as it is so important to win and to be recognized as the star.

Well said

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Failure and shame would be a very difficult pain to bare. Limitations are perceived with anger that in extreme cases could trigger violence / intolerance in the individual,  This because they need to get on with it or go into a new project, impatience builds up  and weakness in the other is not tolerated, provoking confrontations of some kind with others.

Failure and shame as an archetype is not specific to Leo in the 1st. That is more Capricorn/10th house/Saturn.

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First house SN in Leo will like competition, and will work hard to be the best and once it has reached the best it will move on to some new thing again.There is a deep need to satisfy itself through being full of itself.  Creativity and role playing will expand its world view of who it wants to be.This individual could easily be a born actor or have  played different roles in his prior and actual life time so as to understand  and discover its self identity.
This individual could have deep unconscious memories of having been in a position of power in prior lives, and this attitude of superiority / being waited upon would be for this individual a natural way of being in life, shocking others who might not understand it and falsely interpreting it as something that is not, giving way to confrontations, that will make the individual go into itself and examine itself towards the others behavior or expectations that others may have of them.

The individuals can be very generous towards others, showering them with gifts that they have  personally chosen, the individual likes to be liked and to be the sunshine of others.
Possibly as a child and along its life this individual would take risks believing that it is super human and nothing could go wrong or gamble in bets with friends because of its need to exhibit itself as the best. Following its desire  for recognition or being noticed as special in some way, this individual could spontaneously engage in fights of honor over some sexual attraction with no tomorrow, finding itself in a situation with no way out, only  to understand the consequences of its desire once it is too late to stop the out come.
 
 SN in Leo first house there is a tendency for this individual to be full of self and focus its life on its self( first house / Leo), before others, these individuals have a tendency to be loners so as to be free to follow its desire at any time.
 
This individual in the consensus stage of evolution with south node Leo in the first house, would be focussing on having some form of  personal power or fame to feel secure of its role in society. Putting self first desiring to out shine all others,  using its narcissistic desires for fear of loosing its shine and glory to another. Having little awareness of the needs or desires of others, and always seeking the recognition of its presence by exhibiting its solar inner child in a dramatic fashion, basically all is focused through the self lens.

This expresses some possibilities of how this signature can manifest. This soul can also exhibit great generosity, leader for children, inspiring in their creativity or abilities, exciting and inspiring to be around. The soul's creative expression and ambition will be limited to the confines of what is already mandated and accepted by society. It may align with various mainstream sports, athletics, acting, music, competitive fields of any kind through which it can fully focus its desires towards creative self actualization.

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In the consensus state the individual could have the tendency to have co-dependent relationships, because it would be better to have somebody than to be alone and then suddenly finding the whole thing too oppressive but will remain in the relationship for fear of loosing its status, position. It is also important to remember that where the individual is born and what are the societies conditions will alter its desires and needs.There could be a great doses of narcissistic tendency with little instinct to give and help the other if it does not give it something back.

Co-dependency is not implied in this signature. Also status and position is Capricorn/10th house Saturn, not Leo or Aries.

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Individuated Soul would try to break away from any pattern of behavior that would restrict it to discover its creative self realization in a not so self focused way, although it may find a certain resistance ( cardinal / fixed energy) realizing that others also exist and are just as important as itself. Understanding  that others, that share similar ideas with some different points of views causing heated confrontations the individual realizes that their points of view are just as valid as its own, these confrontations show the individual how it is limited to its own narrow beliefs or outlook in life in general. This causes the individual to retreat into itself and  after some thought it could integrate and adopt as its own these new points of views. It would need to break away from any thing  that it felt was impeaching its souls discovery, be this society, family or job.

The individual is acknowledging that it is different to be in a group of one, and the alienation it feels towards the society, family and most in general is because it never wants to be integrated again into the consensus world..

The pull to discover out more of itself  is so intense that it will take it towards adventures so as try and find new ways of being in the world as the old no longer seems to resonate to what it now desires, and this desire is stronger than the familiar pattern that it was rooted in.
Once the soul has learnt to feel well with itself and has de-conditioned itself it now knows who it is and who it is not and what it cannot be.

The individual  will liberate itself from the emotional trauma by objectifying and thus becoming detached with the possibility of internalizing the event and working with it for what it really is and move on, understanding that  the trauma was an evolutionary necessity that its soul desired to experience so as to know itself better and in new ways and bring back into the society what it has to give of innovative without fearing to be absorbed in the consensus reality.

All this is possible. To clarify: as the soul progresses through the individuated stages it's center of gravity will progressively shift to its own inherent uniqueness and individuality. As that happens the soul will find ways of creatively self actualizing in whatever way is necessary for its own evolutionary needs: the need to become their own person.

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In a spiritual stage the soul would desire to know God / Goddess, the Source, through some form of service towards the other, feeling small as it starts to understand how small it really is in comparison to the universe. It could work relentlessly at training some form of physical exercise where it could integrate its life purpose.  Like Yoga, meditation or some martial art would by itself help this individuals have the discipline to continually focus its desire to rid itself of any separating desires  other that to return to the source.

The danger would be that it could feel that it has known God/Goddess and that it now has special powers over others, that these powers come from itself  creative realization(SN Leo first), when speaking to others spreading its message, it will speak as if the power that it thinks it has is from its own merit, giving it personal power and a sense of purpose. Sooner or later there are going to be confrontations with others who will point out its flaws and his soul will have to recognize by the humiliation  and downfall it will endure,  and that these separating desires have to be purged out so as to continue its evolutionary intent which is to work its return towards God/Goddess, the source.

This soul could also present itself as very shy and not desiring at all to be in the lime light, being happy as a second hand player, being alone with self would feel quite comfortable to go in its quest to unite itself to the source by letting go of its separating desires one by one. This could be because its soul has been deeply hurt and traumatized in the past, making it believe that it is safer to be alone.

All this is possible. The core of his sn is very much about expressing and acting in the world. So this soul, if it has a soul history within the spiritual stages, will have some sort of past where they were actively expressing, creating, leading and initiating their own projects for the sake of serving creation itself. Their own self actualization would serve a higher purpose. The narcissism and self focus can still very much be there. Right on with the shyness as a possibility as well though we'd have to see other signatures to back that up (such as the ruler of the sn in the 12th, Pisces or in aspect to Neptune).

What is the intended/potential identity development of the soul as a reflection of the souls desire to evolve?

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The polarity point  NN being in the 7th house Aquarius, this would show us that this individual is discovering his own identity in relationships through comparison and contrast away from the consensus societal ways.

"away from consensus societal ways" would only apply to souls in the individuated stages. It's more about learning about detachment in relationship, learning how to listen objectively and not react or do as they please according to their own self oriented filter.

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It will seek relationships who can broaden its view of itself in relation to its fear of loss of freedom. As these individuals seek new relationships when their evolution stagnates they will seek people who can help them understand who they are and how others relate to each other, it will not tolerate any person telling them how they have to be as it is leaving behind all the shackles from the past .


Yes, though it specifically IS learning tolerance. The soul will be learning how to listen objectively without always making it personal in some way. Opening to listen to the feedback of other people as well. The soul is learning how to share, to be with others and not take all the attention. To be an equal among many and encourage other people's own uniqueness.

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It would seek partners who need freedom and are independent thinkers helping it to understand that its fear to commit is just a fear and can be over come. Possibly this individual would like to live in some community for a while away from society.

Not necessarily. Living in community away from society is a very specific circumstance and is not implied in this north node by itself. Also, the 7th house isn't about commitment. The 8th house and Pluto is. So there will be resistance to evolution (Pluto) relative to wherever the soul is holding onto its needed freedom (1st house sn). For example Pluto may be in the 6th house and the soul may fear really devoting itself to offer its skills to the world. It might think that other people do it better and may feel jealous of other people's creativity. For evolution to occur, the soul would need to commit itself to a form of service that will allow it to share its creativity with the world. This would imply letting go of the self critisism (6th house Pluto) by way of learning how to be around other people in a detached way (7th house Aquarius: not making it about "me" all the time). This can also mean listening to other people's feedback and letting it be supportive instead of triggering immediate doubt and insecurity which then leads to stagnation and non movement.

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For evolution to proceed the individual will seek as many different people as it can so as to learn to objectify life situations and itself. This is very important as has been so self focussed in the past and now its evolutionary intent is learning to recognize the other person as an equal to itself. It is learning that there is no need to project its fears onto others, by learning to listen and accept the differences and uniqueness within others. It will also learn to share its creativity without out the fear of loss of position. It will welcome others who are just as creative as itself and acknowledge that others have a right to shine also It will also give to others what they need and not what they do not need or want.

Excellent. And again "position" is a Capricorn thing.

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Being in Aquarius it would show us that this person has suffered trauma through others and may now prefer to be alone then to be hurt again. What is the point, sort of attitude. This could show us that there was trauma  to the mental body becoming disconnected in another life, this situation has been brought forward from the past and it is still holding unto it, because its consciousness of time space reality is not there. This will only add to the difficulty this individual has with any conformity.


This is only a possibility if there are signatures that would imply unresolved karma with the north node, such as a planet squaring the north node.

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Freedom to be with as many people as it can will be a priority it may adopt the new cultural identities of the people it relates to, new foods, new ways of dressing, new readings that will broaden its views and help it know who it is. Friends, family will be surprised and can see the individual as a chameleon with little or no personality its own, but that would not be the case, as the individual is just trying on suits, to see which fits best its personality of the moment.
This individual would feel the need to be different, there could be a misguided rebellion as it is trying to find its authority within relationships, others and within its society, desiring its uniqueness  to be fully acknowledged by others.

Freedom to be with as many people as it can is not necessarily implied. Nor is new foods, new ways of dressing etc. And authority = Cap

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This individual could be extremely innovative,  this creates in the individual fear of the consensus  thinking for being  so different from others, it could have a very personal way of dressing, it would admire eccentricity and individualism  in friends, art, small groups and would probably seek different people to bond with or simply feel comfortable as a group of one. This individual could also be balancing his feminine and masculine side as it engages in different relationships.
 It is the need to complete itself through relationships learning about ones identity through comparison and contrast, the secret is to create a balance between the need to complete self through comparison and contrast the need to combine the polarity to create a balance  of the two  so as to create a new identity in which mutual respect, balance and equality is the norm.

The evolutionary intent for this individual is to find the balance, freedom and equality in the relationships it forms,  to integrate its SN in the present moment and the need to be free and independent to pursue its desire and its self creative potential and at the same time, by doing this it integrates the NNode evolutionary intent  for this life which is to decondition and rebel from any traditional or conform to any consensus values, by being its own individual unique self.

The intent to heal Karma relationships would be to stop having co-dependent relationships with others in which the person is not really itself and is no longer confused of who it is in relationship to others.

This is not necessarily relevant to this signature again unless there are specific implications in the chart that the soul is working on unresolved north node karma. What the soul may work through are narsisisstic orientations to relationship in which there is no real listening or intimacy but rather just feeding of the need to be seen and appreciated (1st house Leo) without really becoming known. This soul may also reach a point where they realize that no one really knows who they are - thus leading to more genuine and authentic sharing/listening with others as an equal.

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7th house correlates to all sort of imbalances and extreme behavior in relationships that could have flip-flopped in the past not knowing who it was any more as it adopted others points of views as its own, and possibly projected those needs outside of itself for validation to give it a sense of who it is, possibly creating all the distortions of the extremities.

Thank you for your post Rita! your explanation of the south node in Leo in the 1st was really well spoken and exemplifies a clear understanding of the various dimensions of how the sn can manifest. What you wrote about the north node implies some possible misunderstandings about the north node. Please feel free to ask any questions about anything of this.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 16, 2014, 03:02 PM
Hi Mike,

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South Node in Virgo House 8
This soul has developed an identity with the pattern of being of practical service and working in the physical world,  of practicing humility, of  desiring to be worthy and seeking purification or self improvement, of  being self critical and worrying ( potentially feeling  guilt or potential of masochism ), of having discriminatory mental processes, of honing a form of craftsmanship, of organizing details and handling the "fine print" , and of being health conscious. With these Virgoan qualities placed in the eighth house, there is the sense that these are all  qualities which exist outside the self and that this soul must pursue or merge with these same qualities in order to evolve or transcend its current limitations. Feelings of  power and powerlessness will probably be attached to some of the aforementioned themes.  There is the potential for a psychological intensification of these patterns with the house placement. Looking at this South Node placement archetypally, the image of a soul improving itself through some sort of purgatorial process is an image that comes to me. Here are some specific potential expressions for this identity:

-A person who works very hard in order to heal or stave off a sense of guilt.
-A person who seeks power through some form of occult servitude.
-A person who seeks to be pure through celibacy.
-A person who is a sexual slave or servant.
-A person who seeks some form of salvation (underlying this is really a sense of power) through humility or service.
-A person who accepts a menial life of servitude due to not feeling worthy of more.
- A person who works out incessantly or obsesses over their diet in order to have control over the body.
-A person who becomes powerful due to perfecting a craft or skill.
-A person with an eating disorder.
-A person who greatly fears death and worries about death often.
-A person born into a low caste in a socially stratified society who cleans up after others.
- A person who worries about other peoples resources more than his/her own.
- A hospice volunteer.
- A person who feels guilty for other people's issues.
These are just a few specific examples to illustrate some of the multivalent possibilities for the South Node in Virgo in the eighth house placement.

This is excellent Mike! This expresses a clear and accurate understanding of the nature of the sn. I'm reminded of Patricia Walsh's book: Understanding Karmic Complexes as your words touch upon the multifaceted array of manifestations any identity can take on as symbolized by just one south node placement. I highly recommend that book to anyone studying EA.

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Consensus  A soul in this state would tend to accept consensus ideals around self improvement and would focus on socially accepted forms of work, service and health issues. Honing a craft or skill which is in some way useful to the society at large, acceptance of being a member of "the lower rung" in a class conscious society, etc.

Yes. However if this soul was third stage consensus it would likely imply a soul that was in the "higher rung" of society and might symbolize the psychology of superiority. Virgo can really go both ways: inferiority and superiority.

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Individuated    A soul in the individuated state would be more and more focused on self improvement or on honing a craft not in relation to any societal convention or need. Here perhaps a soul would be focused on self improvement through learning the craft of being an astrologer, practicing the physical art of yoga, sexual practices, etc.

Spiritual    Here the soul would begin to focus on true humility, spiritual service, and of purifying all separating desires (sexual and otherwise) from the self.

North Node in Pisces House 2  The intended/ potential development for this soul as a reflection of the desire to evolve is to learn spiritual (Pisces) self reliance (House2) which may involve such themes as letting go(Pisces) of the need to be  always practical(Virgo), of  reliance(House 2) on non physical resources(Pisces), of learning the value in dreaming/visioning and of giving things over to God/dess. Ultimately, the goal here is to be in touch with one's inherent value/worth as a child of God/dess and to extend universal compassion(Pisces) to one's own inherent self worth(house2)-a treasure chest of sensitivity and compassion  within. Giving all efforts over to the divine-perhaps heading to the mountaintop and away from the marketplace.

The North Node in this case helps to correct or heal the unresolved karma around the issue that a soul can potentially obtain power infinitely and evolve itself infinitely through desiring to improve itself or purify itself by attaching to ideals or power sources outside of itself. At some point the soul will have to "let go and let God/dess"-here is a  true spiritual treasure.

All that is true, and I feel you have the essence of it, though you seem to be bending mostly towards the spiritual stage in your description.

Nn in Pisces in the 2nd could also mean adopting to scarcity and poverty; learning how to live off of whatever is available instead of all that the soul has otherwise tried to control. Forgiveness, simplification and surrender is the core of it.
Thanks for your post Mike.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: rita on Apr 16, 2014, 11:14 PM
Hi Ari,
 Thank you for your corrections and input.
Thank you for this wonderful opportunity.
Peace and love
rita


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Wei on Apr 17, 2014, 03:29 AM
SN in 3rd house Libra

SN in 3rd house Libra soul has been collecting lots of information through various relationships in past lives. 3rd house is a yang mutable archetype, correlate to left brain, they are very intelligent soul with broadly knowledge, restless, need to observe/explain details/theory/facts in logical /rational/scientific way, not necessarily understand deep meaning behind facts. They need to collect as much information as they can to communicate/form relationship with others. In this way they feel safe and comfortable. They are natural talker who can hear/nurture what others really need/want to hear, they can be great writer/news journalist/debaters. They identify with linear/rational/empirical intellectual constructions, need to compare every aspect/everyone’s point of view about certain issue. Add libra archetype, they may form relationship with every kind of people, compare everyone’s intellectual construction, try to have their own stable way to interprete everything. The way they see themselves is shaped by information they absorbed, and feedback from others, everytime they are settled with one conclusion of who they are, they will absorb new contrary information, this could lead to split/various personality or feeling of "there is no ego, i am the information i collect". Their relationship is usually based on intelligence/knowledge they resonate with. It's possible they are attracted to intelligent partner, absorb all thoughts/point of view of the partner, collect information they feel (projection) the other need them to, so they can catch up in conversation, the partner could be seen as know everything (which 3rd/libra SN soul feel they need to know), thus create extreme dependency in relationship, SN 3rd libra soul needs to be nurtured by other's knowledge/advice, they store all kinds of information to please/gain favor of partner, they may talk about stuff without understanding the deep meaning, just quote. The other case could be opposite, they may be the smart one, nurture others with their knowledge/tips, make others dependent on them, they may try to rationalize emotion in relationship, they may know all kinds of theory and give others advices all the time, but not really identify with those tips, they may not listen to the real needs of others at all.

NN in 9th house Aries

Soul with 3rd house libra SN can be very defensive about their point of view, but they will relate to people with different thought, confront others who are used to right brain/intuitive thinking who has strong self-awareness and very convincing about their beliefs, SN 3rd libra soul will be questioned about their intellectual construction, social butterfly/smooth talker/superficial chit-chat just won’t work, they will be forced to dig deeper into meaning of those facts they have been collecting. By compare different point of view, they will realize “smart” is relevant, truth can be beyond science, they will have more open mind about this world we live in, learn to connect to their intuition, balance left/right brain energy, have a whole picture instead of collecting details. They will also realize that there is limitation when we observe things in human body, we can only collect so much information, the way to find truth is to turn inside. The soul need to learn to align with their own truth without other’s advice or approving, put energy into what's important for them, what nurtures/connects to them, cut off superficial relationship, and to break the pattern in relationship such as: which aspect of me do you prefer" "what do you want me to say" "how do you want me to react". When their relationship get extreme(they may lose their identity in too many relationships, they may get bored when no one can satisfy their needs to grow), they will have crisis/sudden separation/lost which force them to retreat from relationship, to be alone, allow them to explore new experiences, pursue their desire, be free/true to themselves, to find who they are, what they need, how to nurture their emotional body, then stop the endless facts collecting to please/impress others, just be who they are in a natural way. Also they will learn how to listen/communicate with others in a balanced relationship, learn when to/not to talk/give advice, have meaningful conversation. They can be great teacher who can touch the essence of what they teach, teach others how to be natural/balanced in relationship. They can also be truth fighter, pioneer figure, encourage other people to do the same.

Consensus state

In consensus state, SN 3rd libra soul will collect information reflect the trend of mainstream, they will watch news, follow what's popular, adopt authority or professional's view as their own, share with others. They need to grow with collecting more knowledge which helps them to be successful in society. They will develop communicative skill, maintain as many relationship as they can as resources if it’s defined as successful by their culture/society. They can be reporter/journalist serves the government(such as propaganda department), they may follow/spread fashion trends without their own style, follow popular topic/celebrities, don't think in their own, or very gossip people tweet/retweet all the time. They can be relationship counselor who quotes from expert/authority, give advices without listening to others.
When they exhausted by all the information/theory/facts which has nothing to do with themselves, get lost in all shallow relationship, they will forced to retreat to themselves, to calm their mind, realize everyone's reality is different, they need to learn what's relevant to their own truth. There is no need to be seen as smart/communicative by everyone, then only form meaningful balanced relationship. They may adopt some philosophy/belief system/religion reflects their ego structure, learn to be brave to spread their own opinion, teach others to be themselves, to think by their own, have a new self-image.

Individuated state

In this state, gemini/libra archetype manifest in a uranian way, they will form relationships with like-minded people. Their knowledge system reflects their evolutionary state and their desire to evolve, they will think in their own, beyond mainstream popular trends, they need to express themselves in a unique way. They are aware of other culture, fellow what's going on in the world, form relationship with people from other culture, travel/study in foreigner country. Through these new experiences they can develop their new self-image, improve their knowledge system, break free from limitation of their own culture/old thinking pattern, identify themselves more as a world citizen. In a higher state, they can be scientist who help society to evolve, change the way consensus people think. They can produce great TV program/news to tell the truth in a rebel way, built media empire, fight for the truth, create things such as Google/Facebook/ twitter, connect the world together, help others to band with like-minded soul, feel comfortable/safe to express their special identity.

Spiritual state

Spiritual state soul may identify themselves with all kinds of spiritual information, involve with too many different practice without develop one deeply, project GOD on so many spiritual mentor, learn from them, relate to them, so they can have GOD within/be GOD. By jumping from one spiritual/cosmology system to another, their mental structure just get more unstable. (I have a question, in spiritual state, do they still intend to explain the nature of Creation logically?) In other cases, they can be spiritual teacher who is defensive about their spiritual system, debate with people from other systems.
With NN in 9th aries, they need to realize there are many ways leads to truth, they should align with spiritual/cosmology system which is intuitively right for them, they can even integrate information they have learned, develop a new/unique system for themselves to know the truth. In this way they can be a real master, share his experiences, teach others/write spiritual/philosophy books reflects natural law, help others to find their way to truth.
 
Thanks for this thread, i really enjoy learning from everyone!


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: fruitbat on Apr 17, 2014, 06:49 AM
Dear Ari,
   Thanks so much for your response to my post. I really appreciate your wise additions and gentle
   corrections. I'll be looking for a reasonably priced copy of Patricia Walsh's book.
 Dear fellow students,
  I am enjoying reading your posts on the nodal axis.
                                                         Love,
                                                               Mike   


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 18, 2014, 11:20 AM
Hi Wei,

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SN in 3rd house Libra

SN in 3rd house Libra soul has been collecting lots of information through various relationships in past lives. 3rd house is a yang mutable archetype, correlate to left brain, they are very intelligent soul with broadly knowledge, restless, need to observe/explain details/theory/facts in logical /rational/scientific way, not necessarily understand deep meaning behind facts. They need to collect as much information as they can to communicate/form relationship with others. In this way they feel safe and comfortable. They are natural talker who can hear/nurture what others really need/want to hear, they can be great writer/news journalist/debaters. They identify with linear/rational/empirical intellectual constructions, need to compare every aspect/everyone’s point of view about certain issue. Add libra archetype, they may form relationship with every kind of people, compare everyone’s intellectual construction, try to have their own stable way to interprete everything. The way they see themselves is shaped by information they absorbed, and feedback from others, everytime they are settled with one conclusion of who they are, they will absorb new contrary information, this could lead to split/various personality or feeling of "there is no ego, i am the information i collect".

Their relationship is usually based on intelligence/knowledge they resonate with. It's possible they are attracted to intelligent partner, absorb all thoughts/point of view of the partner, collect information they feel (projection) the other need them to, so they can catch up in conversation, the partner could be seen as know everything (which 3rd/libra SN soul feel they need to know), thus create extreme dependency in relationship, SN 3rd libra soul needs to be nurtured by other's knowledge/advice, they store all kinds of information to please/gain favor of partner, they may talk about stuff without understanding the deep meaning, just quote. The other case could be opposite, they may be the smart one, nurture others with their knowledge/tips, make others dependent on them, they may try to rationalize emotion in relationship, they may know all kinds of theory and give others advices all the time, but not really identify with those tips, they may not listen to the real needs of others at all.

All well said. Another aspect to it would be their ability to use words and communicate in a helpful way. Libra being the psychology of listening where the 3rd house is actual hearing. They may be very skilled at using words and speaking to various people in ways that they can hear. This is the signature of a soul who may be truly gifted at writing, offering helpful feedback etc.

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NN in 9th house Aries

Soul with 3rd house libra SN can be very defensive about their point of view, but they will relate to people with different thought, confront others who are used to right brain/intuitive thinking who has strong self-awareness and very convincing about their beliefs, SN 3rd libra soul will be questioned about their intellectual construction, social butterfly/smooth talker/superficial chit-chat just won’t work, they will be forced to dig deeper into meaning of those facts they have been collecting. By compare different point of view, they will realize “smart” is relevant, truth can be beyond science, they will have more open mind about this world we live in, learn to connect to their intuition, balance left/right brain energy, have a whole picture instead of collecting details.

They will also realize that there is limitation when we observe things in human body, we can only collect so much information, the way to find truth is to turn inside. The soul need to learn to align with their own truth without other’s advice or approving, put energy into what's important for them, what nurtures/connects to them, cut off superficial relationship, and to break the pattern in relationship such as: which aspect of me do you prefer" "what do you want me to say" "how do you want me to react".

When their relationship get extreme(they may lose their identity in too many relationships, they may get bored when no one can satisfy their needs to grow), they will have crisis/sudden separation/lost which force them to retreat from relationship, to be alone, allow them to explore new experiences, pursue their desire, be free/true to themselves, to find who they are, what they need, how to nurture their emotional body, then stop the endless facts collecting to please/impress others, just be who they are in a natural way. Also they will learn how to listen/communicate with others in a balanced relationship, learn when to/not to talk/give advice, have meaningful conversation. They can be great teacher who can touch the essence of what they teach, teach others how to be natural/balanced in relationship. They can also be truth fighter, pioneer figure, encourage other people to do the same.

Consensus state

In consensus state, SN 3rd libra soul will collect information reflect the trend of mainstream, they will watch news, follow what's popular, adopt authority or professional's view as their own, share with others. They need to grow with collecting more knowledge which helps them to be successful in society. They will develop communicative skill, maintain as many relationship as they can as resources if it’s defined as successful by their culture/society. They can be reporter/journalist serves the government(such as propaganda department), they may follow/spread fashion trends without their own style, follow popular topic/celebrities, don't think in their own, or very gossip people tweet/retweet all the time. They can be relationship counselor who quotes from expert/authority, give advices without listening to others.
When they exhausted by all the information/theory/facts which has nothing to do with themselves, get lost in all shallow relationship, they will forced to retreat to themselves, to calm their mind, realize everyone's reality is different, they need to learn what's relevant to their own truth. There is no need to be seen as smart/communicative by everyone, then only form meaningful balanced relationship. They may adopt some philosophy/belief system/religion reflects their ego structure, learn to be brave to spread their own opinion, teach others to be themselves, to think by their own, have a new self-image.

Individuated state

In this state, gemini/libra archetype manifest in a uranian way, they will form relationships with like-minded people. Their knowledge system reflects their evolutionary state and their desire to evolve, they will think in their own, beyond mainstream popular trends, they need to express themselves in a unique way. They are aware of other culture, fellow what's going on in the world, form relationship with people from other culture, travel/study in foreigner country. Through these new experiences they can develop their new self-image, improve their knowledge system, break free from limitation of their own culture/old thinking pattern, identify themselves more as a world citizen. In a higher state, they can be scientist who help society to evolve, change the way consensus people think. They can produce great TV program/news to tell the truth in a rebel way, built media empire, fight for the truth, create things such as Google/Facebook/ twitter, connect the world together, help others to band with like-minded soul, feel comfortable/safe to express their special identity.

Spiritual state

Spiritual state soul may identify themselves with all kinds of spiritual information, involve with too many different practice without develop one deeply, project GOD on so many spiritual mentor, learn from them, relate to them, so they can have GOD within/be GOD. By jumping from one spiritual/cosmology system to another, their mental structure just get more unstable. (I have a question, in spiritual state, do they still intend to explain the nature of Creation logically?)


Jumping from one spiritual cosmology to another would be more like Gemini in the 9th.
Using logical constructs as a primary way to understand creation is relevant to the individuated stages: the intelligence being the bottom line.

Remember, we are describing the nature of the self image, so this is the filter through which the soul will emotionally relate to and integrate its human experience. In the spiritual state, no matter where the south node is, the soul will be seeking direct experience of God beyond just the mind.

Regarding things like how the soul might explain the nature of creation, it depends on the dynamics of the chart. For example I have a lot of Sag/Gemini synthesized in my chart, so in part its relevant for me to be logical when explaining the truth. The key however is that I don't try to use logic to reach the truth. That again would be more individuated stage.

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In other cases, they can be spiritual teacher who is defensive labout their spiritual system, debate with people from other systems.

With NN in 9th aries, they need to realize there are many ways leads to truth, they should align with spiritual/cosmology system which is intuitively right for them, they can even integrate information they have learned, develop a new/unique system for themselves to know the truth. In this way they can be a real master, share his experiences, teach others/write spiritual/philosophy books reflects natural law, help others to find their way to truth.
 
Thanks for this thread, i really enjoy learning from everyone!

Thank you for your post Wei! Everything you wrote expresses an accurate and clear understanding of the nature of the nodal axis.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Wei on Apr 18, 2014, 07:55 PM
Hi Ari, thanks for clarifying the difference between how souls seek the truth/explain the truth in spiritual state, i was confused about it.
Love
Wei


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Katherine on Apr 19, 2014, 05:34 AM

SN in Aries/ the 1st

The Soul has begun a new cycle of evolutionary growth by desiring an ego structure that will accelerate evolution on a conscious and subjective level.  The subjective awareness, the “I”, is the identity—it is completely self-referential and unqualified.  On instinct, the personality will (by whatever means necessary) initiate experiences that assert their independence and sovereignty.  These expressions of willpower are the manifestations of the core desire nature: to be free.  To be free from any existing limitations perceived internally or externally.  This creates the scale from impatience to the total intolerance of anything or anyone that fetters the interests of the Soul via the personality.  The intrinsic stressors are reflected in the natural squares to Aries and the 1st house. Because of the archetypal impetus of self-discovery there is a conflict in establishing security through familiarity (Cancer in the 4th).  The only constant is change and to SN Aries/1st that change is always subjective and imperative. However, this can create present-life restriction during childhood, within the family, where individual self-expression may be stifled or resources are fixed and cannot accommodate all wants and wishes.  The square to Capricorn and the 10th is triggered by external conditioning through culture and society, the model and structures of the family, or other collective group in a position of power and authority leveraging from the expectations of the consensus.
At the most vibrationally dense level, the South Node in Aries can clench so tightly to the agenda of survival that the external world becomes ‘black and white,’ and the gut (with the adrenals and solar plexus chakra) clamor on a moment-to-moment basis making decisions on a binary level: free - not free, safe - not safe.  With such a focus on self-preservation, environmental and other external factors (including people) simply enable or disable the individual’s latitude.  This can develop into narcissism, paranoia, and/ or psychopathy where others (by the projection of distorted perceptions) are depersonalized i.e. divested of human characteristics.  When another stands in opposition, in reality or again cast in opposition, anger and rage can spurn competition and incite violence.  The act of violence is especially devastating to the Soul due to the degree of identification the SN Aries has with their position and how onboard, so to speak, their body can become (Mars ruling the primary brain, adrenals, muscles, blood). This can be the fuel for super-human strength that can escalate into sexual violence, fighting, or war and through muscle memory the body can become essentially addicted to its own adrenaline, its own psychosomatic experience of involution.
A more common experience would be a sense of specialness, or exposed identity.  This could have also been imposed initially (e.g. ‘the chosen one’) but eventually, an  identification with initiating an exceptional endeavor, or special destiny emerges.  While everything might feel ‘Right’, important, and congruent with the conscious desires, living as a vector ultimately stagnates as the separating desires of the SN Aries/ 1st are exhausted.  Identity in isolation becomes a self-containing role, becoming its own block. The Soul recognizes that the frontier is now relating to others via the polarity point: North Node in Libra and the 7th house.  The real beauty here is that it is still true to the deepest desires of the Soul to create new experiences that break through existing limitations!

NN in Libra/ 7th

Shifting the emphasis to the NN not only becomes a task of learning to be receptive to input and feedback, but really recognizing of the inherent equality of all Souls.  It requires an acknowledgement of the relativity and validity of each person’s desires and needs.  The resistance to meeting others halfway is a reverberation of the past from fears of having to cater (Cancer/4th) and kowtow (Capricorn/10th). Understanding that the fear of loosing one’s individuality and autonomy in acquiescence or commitment (inconjunct to Scorpio/8th) is a fear and not an inevitability, can only come through first-hand experience. Working through the fear in a way that is constructive and healthy means taking the courage to engage in direct confrontation into situations where mediation and diplomacy are needed, where fairness and balance are required for the betterment of all.  It means applying all the focus and ambition and challenging oneself to be open: to being seen, to listening to partners, and shifting into a more objective awareness. It means forfeiting the need to control and learning flexibility within relationship. This works towards an ego that feels more secure within itself. And ultimately, it is those who have clear ego-strength that do not seek co-dependence or emotional validation and can hold themselves as equals.

Progressive opening of the heart chakra...

Consensus State- SN in Aries/1st uses it's energy on the level of survival: steering clear of those who would create dependencies, acquiring money and resources, competing for the positions of the most power and freedom, sex as the focus of relationships. NN in Libra/7th (would take the edge off, but not by much.) Granting a moment of hearing the other side, perhaps tithing, or donation of time to a church or civil cause.

Individuated State-  SN in Aries/1st might put up a fight and/ or withdraw in childhood/ early family life. Possibly run away. Spend a concerted about of time tinkering and learning the skills required to actualize an independent adult life. NN in Libra/7th could attract like-minded thinking/feeling individuals who contribute their own expertise into the 'salon'. Fight for social justice and equality.

Spiritual State: Sn in Aries/1st could be an intense focus on a practice of their own design i.e. without affiliation. Hermit in the sense of seclusion. Healer who works spontaneously. NN in Libra/7th could focus on making themselves available to all kinds of people and speaking in a way that is accessible and useful to all, emphasizing compassion and simple acts of kindness.  (Dalai Lama XIV, NN in Capricorn in the 7th)

Thanks Ari!
God Bless,
Katherine


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Emily on Apr 19, 2014, 12:50 PM
Thank you for your responses to my post Ari Moshe - And thank you everyone for the learning experience.

Namaste,
Emily


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 21, 2014, 03:13 PM
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Hi Katherine,

SN in Aries/ the 1st

The Soul has begun a new cycle of evolutionary growth by desiring an ego structure that will accelerate evolution on a conscious and subjective level.  The subjective awareness, the “I”, is the identity—it is completely self-referential and unqualified.  On instinct, the personality will (by whatever means necessary) initiate experiences that assert their independence and sovereignty.  These expressions of willpower are the manifestations of the core desire nature: to be free.  To be free from any existing limitations perceived internally or externally.  This creates the scale from impatience to the total intolerance of anything or anyone that fetters the interests of the Soul via the personality.  The intrinsic stressors are reflected in the natural squares to Aries and the 1st house. Because of the archetypal impetus of self-discovery there is a conflict in establishing security through familiarity (Cancer in the 4th).  The only constant is change and to SN Aries/1st that change is always subjective and imperative. However, this can create present-life restriction during childhood, within the family, where individual self-expression may be stifled or resources are fixed and cannot accommodate all wants and wishes.  The square to Capricorn and the 10th is triggered by external conditioning through culture and society, the model and structures of the family, or other collective group in a position of power and authority leveraging from the expectations of the consensus.

At the most vibrationally dense level, the South Node in Aries can clench so tightly to the agenda of survival that the external world becomes ‘black and white,’ and the gut (with the adrenals and solar plexus chakra) clamor on a moment-to-moment basis making decisions on a binary level: free - not free, safe - not safe.

So well said.

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With such a focus on self-preservation, environmental and other external factors (including people) simply enable or disable the individual’s latitude.  This can develop into narcissism, paranoia, and/ or psychopathy where others (by the projection of distorted perceptions) are depersonalized i.e. divested of human characteristics.


Paranoia is not specific to Aries just by itself. Paranoia as well as the depersonalization/objectification of other humans would be Aquarius/Uranus/11th house.

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When another stands in opposition, in reality or again cast in opposition, anger and rage can spurn competition and incite violence.  The act of violence is especially devastating to the Soul due to the degree of identification the SN Aries has with their position and how onboard, so to speak, their body can become (Mars ruling the primary brain, adrenals, muscles, blood). This can be the fuel for super-human strength that can escalate into sexual violence, fighting, or war and through muscle memory the body can become essentially addicted to its own adrenaline, its own psychosomatic experience of involution.

What do you mean by "psychosomatic experience of involution"? I don't understand the intent of the use of involution in this context.

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A more common experience would be a sense of specialness, or exposed identity.  This could have also been imposed initially (e.g. ‘the chosen one’) but eventually, an  identification with initiating an exceptional endeavor, or special destiny emerges.  While everything might feel ‘Right’, important, and congruent with the conscious desires, living as a vector ultimately stagnates as the separating desires of the SN Aries/ 1st are exhausted.  Identity in isolation becomes a self-containing role, becoming its own block. The Soul recognizes that the frontier is now relating to others via the polarity point: North Node in Libra and the 7th house.  The real beauty here is that it is still true to the deepest desires of the Soul to create new experiences that break through existing limitations!

Wow great insight!

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NN in Libra/ 7th

Shifting the emphasis to the NN not only becomes a task of learning to be receptive to input and feedback, but really recognizing of the inherent equality of all Souls.  It requires an acknowledgement of the relativity and validity of each person’s desires and needs.  The resistance to meeting others halfway is a reverberation of the past from fears of having to cater (Cancer/4th) and kowtow (Capricorn/10th). Understanding that the fear of loosing one’s individuality and autonomy in acquiescence or commitment (inconjunct to Scorpio/8th) is a fear and not an inevitability, can only come through first-hand experience. Working through the fear in a way that is constructive and healthy means taking the courage to engage in direct confrontation into situations where mediation and diplomacy are needed, where fairness and balance are required for the betterment of all.  It means applying all the focus and ambition and challenging oneself to be open: to being seen, to listening to partners, and shifting into a more objective awareness. It means forfeiting the need to control and learning flexibility within relationship. This works towards an ego that feels more secure within itself. And ultimately, it is those who have clear ego-strength that do not seek co-dependence or emotional validation and can hold themselves as equals.

Beautifully said, and that is how the nn heals any sn karma: there is no longer a need to react or defend.

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Progressive opening of the heart chakra...

Consensus State- SN in Aries/1st uses it's energy on the level of survival: steering clear of those who would create dependencies, acquiring money and resources, competing for the positions of the most power and freedom, sex as the focus of relationships. NN in Libra/7th (would take the edge off, but not by much.) Granting a moment of hearing the other side, perhaps tithing, or donation of time to a church or civil cause.


It can also imply learning listen to other people's advice. For example a soul in 1st consensus will learn how to listen to others instead of just doing whatever they want to do. As the soul moves through 2nd consensus they will learn more about cooperation and listening skills for otherwise they will never get ahead in the world. In third consensus it might be learning to be fair to other people. Instead of controlling and always being the leader, to also allow other people to lead - to listen and appreciate other people's points of views.

Also, and this is true for any evolutionary stage, the soul may find themselves in a relationship of some sort where the needs of their partner requires that they listen more and learn how to give according to what is needed. There might be a history of violence, in which case the soul will be learning to listen (according to consensus models of how to listen and deal with anger) instead of react.

Donation of time to a church is not inherently linked to Libra.

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Individuated State-  SN in Aries/1st might put up a fight and/ or withdraw in childhood/ early family life. Possibly run away. Spend a concerted about of time tinkering and learning the skills required to actualize an independent adult life. NN in Libra/7th could attract like-minded thinking/feeling individuals who contribute their own expertise into the 'salon'. Fight for social justice and equality.

Also the soul might be learning not to be reactive and defensive. 3rd stage individuated for example would learn that more can be accomplished through true listening; hearing all sides. Egalitarian values will be developed. The soul may also be drawn towards models like non violent communication and such.

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Spiritual State: Sn in Aries/1st could be an intense focus on a practice of their own design i.e. without affiliation. Hermit in the sense of seclusion. Healer who works spontaneously. NN in Libra/7th could focus on making themselves available to all kinds of people and speaking in a way that is accessible and useful to all, emphasizing compassion and simple acts of kindness.  (Dalai Lama XIV, NN in Capricorn in the 7th)

And also creating/cultivating equal relationships. If this is a teacher, then the intent might be to cultivate an image of themselves as equal to others instead of always being the "leader". The soul also may realize their own needs for a more personally fulfilling, balanced expression of relationship as well.

Thank you for your post Katherine! Your explanation of the sn and nn expresses a clear understanding of what they represent and the various ways in which they can express.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Katherine on Apr 23, 2014, 03:37 AM
Hi Ari,
Thanks so much for your feedback.

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Paranoia is not specific to Aries just by itself. Paranoia as well as the depersonalization/objectification of other humans would be Aquarius/Uranus/11th house.

I am familiar with this correlation to Aquarius and I wasn't sure what word would best suit the feeling I was trying to describe and didn't want to just say intense fear because I felt that was too generic--it suggests so many types of experiences. I was double-dutching it because I wanted a word with the patina of isolation and gut awareness. In retrospect, paranoia is more heady and sketched out. Anxiety, panic, or alarm would have been more appropriate.

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What do you mean by "psychosomatic experience of involution"? I don't understand the intent of the use of involution in this context.

I will check my understanding of involution. Then get back to you on this.

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Wow great insight!

Not sure which part you were referring to but, I really wanted to get a sense of this signature. Drop in and feel the dynamic. And when I saw (at least to my capacity as a beginner) the SN-NN shift from Aries to Libra and the everything changed / nothing really changed  I was floored. It's a saturation threshold! When we em-body the lessons of the SN they become the tools and gifts that enable the NN to be actualized. (It's an exact opposition.)

And thank you for the examples within each evolutionary state, for taking the time. That was really helpful.

Much love, Ari.
God Bless,
Katherine


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 23, 2014, 10:34 AM
Hi Katherine, the line that was a great insight for me was:

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The Soul recognizes that the frontier is now relating to others via the polarity point: North Node in Libra and the 7th house.  The real beauty here is that it is still true to the deepest desires of the Soul to create new experiences that break through existing limitations!

By embracing the polarity NOTHING true or necessary is actually lost, rather it only enhances the soul's capacity for growth in all areas of its life. Only from the point of view of resistance does the polarity seem to be threatening. We can apply that line of thinking to every sn/nn polarity.


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 23, 2014, 10:37 AM
Hi everyone!
Next week we will begin with applying the EA paradigm: Pluto, Pluto polarity point and the lunar nodes.
For those who still intend to post on the lunar nodes practice - feel free to post whenever even if its after we move on to the next step. Just let me know if you still intend to post.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Wei on Apr 25, 2014, 04:29 AM
Hi Ari, Would you please explain in what case NN is part of past life experiences except planet/planets square nodes? Maybe NN ruler conjunct SN, pluto aspect NN, or NN in scorpio/8th house?
Thanks!


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 27, 2014, 12:51 PM
Hi Wei,

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Would you please explain in what case NN is part of past life experiences except planet/planets square nodes? Maybe NN ruler conjunct SN, pluto aspect NN, or NN in scorpio/8th house?

The nn has been developed/experienced prior to this life whenever any planet forms any aspect to it.
Beyond that, I'm not sure what else. With the nn ruler conjunct the sn, past dynamics need to be re-lived and done in a way that promotes evolution this time around.

Rad or anyone else, are there any other configurations in which the nn has been developed prior to the current life?

With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Apr 28, 2014, 06:52 PM
Hi everyone!

For our next step we will apply Pluto in the context of the south node in order to understand the underlying desires of the soul that have created it's past lives, and the specific kind of identity structure the soul has created as a vehicle for it's desires.

Pluto is always the "why" behind the south node because every identity has a REASON for the identity. Thus when we look at the south node we are going to give context to it by tuning into the underlying evolutionary purpose/necessity inherent in the position of natal Pluto itself.

You may wish to research all the plethora of material and examples on the mb and glossary on Pluto and the south node.

What I invite everyone to do is to pick any south node placement (by house, sign, or house and sign) and any Pluto placement (by house, sign, or house and sign) and to consider the following focus questions:

What are the underlying desires of the soul and what kind of human identity has the soul created in the past in order to pursue those desires? What kind of unique soul-evolutionary context is implied with this particular south node/Pluto combination? How has the soul chosen to respond to evolutionary necessity? What are the strengths the soul may have developed? What are the limitations?

Fun option for doing this practice: take the Pluto position you chose for your Pluto practice and the south node position you chose for your south node practice and put those together!

Here are some teachings on Pluto and the south node from JWG's talk about the planetary method of chart interpretation that Rad posted in the JWG planetary method of chart interpretation thread. In this talk I feel he addresses the core relationship between the soul and the ego in a very clear way.

With love,
Ari Moshe

http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php?topic=832.msg16808#msg16808 (http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php?topic=832.msg16808#msg16808)


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A Planetary Method of Chart Analysis
Jeffrey Wolf Green
Astro2000, Denver, CO 2000
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      What I’d like to do is try to make this as experiential for you this morning as possible, and the way I would like to do that is for all of you to keep your own particular birth chart in your head now as we go through this specific method so you can apply it immediately to your own case.

      This particular method is very sequential; it is very Virgo like, ABC in nature, leading to a very deductive and Virgo-like analysis. In total, you will then find that once you employ this particular methodology--ABC--this will lead to a Pisces kind of awareness, meaning inductive, wherein you can see the whole first and then immediately grasp all the parts.  So it is like going from Virgo to Pisces. Now as we go through this system, when you have questions, please ask me when you have the question, because the intention is to keep this as clear as possible as we are moving through it.

      So the very first way we want to start the system is, of course, with Pluto. This is number one on your list; meaning as we go through this it is going to be like an outline. So we want to start with Pluto. We can ask a Pluto question: Why? And what we have here from a Plutonian point of view, of course, is the direct connection to the Soul, the Soul itself. Now, of course, if we understand this, the Soul is going to create the overall personality structure in any given life that is uniquely orientated to phenomenal reality in such a way that that unique orientation experiences the phenomenal reality in a way that is consistent with the evolutionary intentions and karmic requirement that the Soul has in any given life.

      So we want to locate the natal position of Pluto first by house and sign. What is this going to be demonstrating? We have to remember that the nature of the Soul linked with time and space reality is simultaneously linked with the principle that we call evolution. Evolution is a dynamic in time and space reality that is beyond debate. The simplest way to know evolution: Is it not true that everybody on this planet, everyone in this room, inwardly always has an inner feeling of being in a continuous state of becoming? Who does not have such a feeling? So you can see right away just through normal life experience that this is a principle, a truth if you will, that applies to all people everywhere as long as we are living in time-space reality.

      Now, if we linked evolution to the principle of the Soul, we ask a logical question: What is, in fact, the inner mechanism or dynamic within the Soul that causes evolution? The answer is straightforward, simple, and basic as most natural truths are. The answer is, in fact, the very same answer that came out of the enlightenment of the famous Buddha under the famous Bodhi tree, when he pondered the nature of sorrow and pain, misery and the like. What was actually promoted in Buddhism terms as Nirvana was based on the awareness within him called desire.

      In each Soul there are two competing and antithetical desires that create evolution. One desire is a separating desire, meaning to separate away from what we can call God. And these sorts of desires are many, myriad, manifesting in typical ways as the desire for the new lover, the new possession, the new career ambition, whatever.  All Souls have these desires, and simultaneous with the desire and coequal to it is the desire to return to that which has created the Soul in the first place.  So, in effect, the essence of the evolution of the Soul is simply based on the progressive elimination (Pluto) of all separating desires to the exclusion of only one desire which can remain, which is to unite with the source of the Soul itself.

      This is a very simple natural truth that operates independent of what we call astrology and can be validated by every single one of us in this room. In fact, it can be validated by everybody on earth.  The simplest way to know it, again: Is not true that we can have whatever separating desire, oh we want this new thing over here, this, that or whatever, and we may have the ability to obtain that which we are desiring, and, of course, we have a momentary sense of satisfaction when we get it. But once we get it, what soon replaces the sense of satisfaction is, in effect, the sense of dissatisfaction, the sense of something more. It is exactly the sense of dissatisfaction that is mirroring and echoing this ultimate desire to return and to reunite with the source of all things. Who of you has not known this to be your own experience? You see, it is universal.

       So the evolution of the Soul is simply based on the progressive elimination of all separating desires. The duality of these antithetical desires is intrinsic within the Soul and is what the psychologists call the basis of free choice.

      Now, when we look at the nature of the natal position of Pluto, we are looking at two simultaneous phenomena, which is why we are starting with this number A on our Virgo list.  Number one, it will describe very succinctly the types of desires that the soul has had prior to the current life, relative to its evolutionary necessities, its evolutionary intentions.  That does not mean, by the way, that that is going to correlate or reflect all the prior lives that the Soul has had. The point is that the soul in any given life will only draw upon specific prior life times that have a direct connection to or bearing on the current life evolutionary intentions. The Sanskrit archetype for that is called Prarabdha Karma.

      So, what the natal position of Pluto is demonstrating is the specific prior lifetimes and orientations that have direct bearing on the current lifetime. A simple example: What if we are dealing with a ninth house Pluto individual?  We can make a very simple Piscean/ Virgo deduction that this would have been a Soul who, prior to the current life, one way or another, was desiring to understand its individual connection to the cosmological reality we call the universe, meaning natural desires to understand philosophy and cosmology and metaphysics, religion (even if that's atheism), anything that is a form of philosophy connected to the cosmos. Are we clear? Good.

      And now what would that mean coming into the current life? And this is one of the secrets about Pluto that most people don't realize, i.e. when you read it in your happy books that it somehow connects to compulsion, obsession, defensiveness, resistance to change and all these things, and these things are accurate, but they never tell you why, and it is because at this point Pluto is going to correlate with the deepest sources of your unconscious sense of security. Keeping in mind that security is a function of self-consistency. Self-consistency is a function of the past, meaning what has come before. Again, how many of you would totally and wholly embrace the experience of absolute insecurity? No takers? Hmm? Ever wonder why we have compulsion, obsession? That's what psychologists call repetitive compulsion. 

      So by looking at the natal position of Pluto (house and sign), beyond the metaphysical point of view, you are describing in anybody’s life the sources that correlate with the deepest sense of unconscious security in the person. And in coming into the current life, the person instinctually gravitates to those sources in order to maintain a sense of self-consistency equaling security. Now clearly, if the soul stayed right there, there would, in fact, be no evolution. So this becomes a first point to examine. The next point is to determine how it is that soul is going to grow or evolve in the current life. And the answer very happily is that the next step (evolution) is determined--because we have to remember that we are living in a universe, time/space, that of itself is defined by the law of polarity--by the opposite house and sign of the natal position of Pluto.

      So, following our example of the ninth house, it is, of course, naturally in opposition to the third house. Now, one of the natural problems in the ninth house/Sagittarius/Jupiter archetype is that it correlates, in essence, with the nature of phenomenal reality in total. And it is the ninth house in any chart--Jupiter/Sagittarius, archetypically natural law-- that creates the awareness in the human organism, in each person, that we are in fact connected to something much larger than just the earth itself. It creates the awareness that we are connected to a solar system, universes, and galaxies. And this sort of natural awareness gives rise to the philosophical questions that all human beings ask: What does it all mean? How are we connected to this thing?

      One of the problems of the ninth house is that it will typically orientate to a portion of the overall truth, and then consider that particular portion to be the total truth, which is why we call it the Billy Graham Archetype, meaning the need to convince and convert other people to your particular point of view. Why? In order to feel secure. This is why in this case we are going to have a have a third house polarity.

       Most of us have already realized in our happy books that Gemini correlates with diversity, yes?  Most of us realized,--particularly for those that find yourself to be Gemini--that Gemini is a happy little sign because you put it in a bookstore, for example, and it is going to go around and do what? It is going to read two pages of this and one page of that, and maybe one right over here, but it is thinking that it is reading everything. And this means that it is trying to understand as much as possible relative to the whole phenomenon called creation. So when you have this polarity point to the ninth house Pluto, you can see the obvious evolutionary intention. The intention of the Soul is to evolve beyond the particular portion—part--of the truth that it has already realized. You understand the point? 

      So the Soul is like a computer, and it has its own program and in a typically Plutonian fashion, then, the Soul will actually literally program necessary philosophical confrontations (Pluto), meaning it will attract to itself other individuals that are more philosophically or cosmologically evolved than itself. These people will have the effect of penetrating (Pluto) to the weak link in this person’s existing philosophical structure. And by identifying the weak link, well, guess what? That whole structure collapses. And this is induces the Gemini evolutionary intention. Understand the point? I mean we could go on and on, but we only have an hour and a half. So, on our Virgo list we start with Pluto, natal position, polarity point. Any questions on this aspect of it? So, we are clear on this particular point?

      Next step--number B on your Virgo list. We want to, of course, examine the nature of the south node of the moon. Now, why do we want to examine this point? The reason is that the south node of the moon will specifically correlate to the types of egocentric structures that the soul has necessarily created in order to consciously actualize the evolutionary desires or intentions, which have, in fact, preceded the current life.

      That is to say that the moon, the south node of the moon specifically, correlates to what we call the ego. Now take this very seriously because, of course, I realize in astrology land that astrologers can assign the idea or the archetype of the ego to whatever planetary symbolism.  Over the last 10-20 years it has been given to Saturn, Sun or whatever. But in reality in the astrology we do, the ego is specific to the moon. The way you can prove this through natural law is very straightforward. As an example we can understand that the ego is that which correlates with what we can psychologically call a self-image.

      Now, for example, if we make an ego connection to the Sun and we look into the nature of our solar system, of course, the Sun appears to be relatively fixed, does it not? Now, do you feel throughout your life that your own inner self-image has been fixed and constant?  When we compare this to examining the moon and its various phases, you can see the direct link to your own self-image and its evolution. Understand the point?

      So, in effect, the Soul must create a necessary ego to create a self-image of the soul itself. So the south node is the conscious component that the soul generates or creates to actualize the desires that are intrinsic to the soul itself. As a simple example, let’s still use our Ninth House Pluto as our example, remembering that the ninth house Pluto is how I want to understand myself in the cosmos, etc. Now when we put the south Node in the seventh house, what are we looking at? We Are looking at a soul who prior to the current life, over a series of recent prior life times, has created egocentric structures that have been actualized through a seventh house archetype. What does it mean?  It's going to mean that the soul has created a series of prior life egos that have been structured in such a way as to initiate a diversity of relationships, (seventh house), who looked like what? Ninth house teacher types. And by initiating this kind of relationships with teacher types, it has been collecting for itself, or attracting to itself, the kind of information that it has desired relative to the ninth house Pluto. You see the link?

      Now, to show you why cookbook astrology is B.S.--I mean wrong--compare this to a ninth house Pluto but put the south node in the first house. You are going to still have the same complex of desires, but what types of personality structure, or egocentric structure has the Soul used that is very different from the seventh house? In the first case you have dependency on an external teacher, but when you put the south node in the first house, in essence, what you now have is a soul who has the same desire structure, but now with this south node in the first house you have an individual who has learned to ask and answer its own questions. You see why cookbook astrology is so wrong?

So in either case you still have a pre-existing orientation to reality. When that ninth house Pluto, south node in the seventh person comes into life she/he will gravitate, as they have prior to the current life, in exactly that way. This is why there is going to be a thing called the north node.  You see the point?  So in this ninth house Pluto/seventh house south node, we have a polarity point in the third house, and we have a north node in the first. So in essence, the north node in this case, the conscious actualization, makes that third house polarity occur, understand my point? 
 
      What that would actually mean in this life as the person begin to emotionally mature (moon) in the current life, is that it progressively would begin to rebel against external teachers, their message and their voices. Because the intention (north node/first house) is that the person is meant to learn to ask and answer its own questions. This is going to create necessary intellectual, philosophical confrontation with external teacher types. You see? 

      In the second case, the person has been living in happy splendor, all within themselves in a form of narcissism (south node/first house).  You see my point? So now why are we seeing the north node in the seventh house? They must learn to open up and share themselves with other people and in so doing, in opening up to other people, they are going to attract (third house polarity), you see how it works. You apply this to all charts. You start just this way, A, B on your happy list. Questions? So we have got this down now?


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: rita on May 04, 2014, 08:21 AM
Hi Ari and group,
I posted previously but somehow the work disappeared so now i try again;



Leo Pluto first house conjunct SN in Leo balsamic:

The natal position of Pluto is demonstrating the specific prior lifetimes and orientations that have direct bearing on the current lifetime.
First house is ruled by Mars, yang /cardinal, and a new evolutionary cycle has begun, and for that reason it is the drive the Soul uses to carry out its desires that are very instinctive, by this i mean no forethought or premeditation would occur as it is instinctual. Because is coming from the 12th house , yin energy going inwards, it could feel anger, anxiety of the separation from the womb, as it desires to break free to discover who it really is, threatening its security.
The Soul is always in a state of becoming and this is why it needs all the freedom to act upon its desires and creative self actualization.
Anger could also build up if this individual sees its freedom curtailed somehow. Yet there are conflicting desires within the Soul as Pluto seeks security, stability and to remain as is, and the Souls desire is to evolve and go beyond what it already is. This causes the Soul to periodically find itself with an identity crisis, anger and frustration could be released by projecting onto others that have nothing to do with anything.
 
Leo first house Pluto will like to be in command to shine and feel important in relation to others. It will feel very uncomfortable with competition as it fears the loss of its position by somebody else better than itself. Because it is so impulsive it will take decisions that have not been thought out and will be surprised when it does not turn the way it was expected. Facing defeat is quite tragic for this Soul and it will fight to the end.
Pluto in the first house leo /SN in Leo feels it has a special destiny to fulfill and it has to creatively actualize itself. It tends to be doubly narcissistic ( first house Leo) in its desires, and will blindly follow what it feels is important for it desires to know itself through action that will cause a reaction. It will put itself before others.
Children could be for this Soul the creative self actualization that it came to do as part of the continuation of prior life work and its evolutionary intent, in which it makes it its job to raise and dedicate itself to its children. For some Souls this would mean that the parent would try to  influence its offspring to be what it could not be, putting a lot of expectations on the offspring. For another Soul it would be to the contrary and  allow the child to be itself and incentive its independence and creative abilities, feeling proud when it saw in its offspring the potential to be creative, different and successful.
There could also be the case in which the Soul would feel threatened by the child, lets say for its beauty, intelligence making the parent insecure of itself in relation to others.
Power is important as it will make the Soul  feel full of itself. Extravagance and generosity of some sort is often a gesture for this individual as a symbol of love and the need to be loved.  Giving to the other what it likes and not necessarily what the other would have desired.
The tendency with Pluto first house in Leo is to be naturally dramatic, drama is very much part of this Soul as a form of exaggerated reactions to anything. Not realizing that others see it as a drama queen or as an exhibitionist.
 This Soul could have hypnotic sexual attractions that have nothing in common with the person, choosing partners that have the same desire for independence and non long term commitment to a relationship as itself. This way it knows that it will be free to pursue another desire and creatively actualize itself when the prior relationship has reached a non evolutionary stage.

This could show us that this Soul would be in a total re-live situation with the SN conjunct Pluto first house in Leo, and is here to re-do many accumulated unresolved issues of prior lives, being in Leo it could be through children that this individual would somehow learn to give to others what they need because it has learned to listen (7th house pp) to the needs of others. It would learn to manage its needs for freedom and commitment through the responsibility that children are in its life. Maybe this individual could find within itself the commitment responsibility and service that parenting requires, teaching the individual to love them unconditionally and freely, thus defusing any fear loss of its freedom. Yet the idea or dedication of the same commitment towards a long term relationship would be almost impossible to envisage.

The other possibility could be that this Soul has in prior lives totally actualized its prior intention  of becoming a great athlete / singer/dancer and in this life time due its prior life efforts is meant to bring forward this gift so that it can share it with the world. This by itself will inspire many youngsters who will want to become like the famous athlete / singer/dancer. It will make this individual very happy as others will love it, and look up at it as a especial  superstar all empowered.
This aspect gives the individual a sense of specialness which it desires to share with others that when shared with others will have a metamorphosis effect as the individual will live the joy, pride of others and will evolve beyond what it already was.
This in turn is called a fruition life, meaning that the evolutionary intention / desire has been pure and this life will be rewarded.

The most common is fruition and re-live, a combination of both. An example could be that this individual brings forward a gift its creative self actualization, that it is supposed to share with the world but as it becomes successful, powerful, it looses sight of reality and believes that it is the  creator of its gift or success is all due to its own merit, the god syndrome forgetting divine grace. This eventually causes its down fall so as to oblige the individual to  retreat into itself and humble itself so as to change its perspective and reality, becoming aware of how small and powerless it is in relation to the vastness of the universe


The Polarity point of SN and Pluto 7th house in Aquarius:
This  shows us that this individual is periodically oriented to have many relationships with different types of people. It is its desire to embrace diversity and fulfill its hopes and ideals through relationships, this diversity will help it understand more about itself and its needs, as well as the  others needs. These people would be people who would think like itself or people disassociated from society in some way, having different points of view of what relationships ought to be. Maybe this individual would not want to have a traditional marriage as it would perceive it as bondage imposed by society and would seek open relationships that are equally free. Slowly through evolutionary necessity it will learn that to be in a relationship is nice and does not curtail necessarily its freedom, if both sides balance out the needs of the other. It would have to listen to the other so as to understand what is important for them and learn to give to others what they need and not what the individual thinks they need. To give when it is right to give, and be ok when it decides to say no, without having the fear of not being liked anymore.
Likely the relationships could be with individuals of prior lives ( SN balsamic to Pluto applying ), as they appeared at a time that the individual most needed them to help solve situations that the individual alone could not do, and once that help was done, the relationship lost its meaning and the individual would rebel / provoke arguments at the situation and possibly project the frustration on to the partner giving it a reason to move on, towards a new relationship or towards being alone.
There would be very intense almost hypnotic sexual attractions that lasted for short periods, leaving / or being left would cause trauma to the soul and it would have a traumatic effect on the soul so as to question its beliefs or standing in life.
This individual would periodically gravitate to its SN and retreat into solitude when it felt that it had lost its identity to another. It will then deeply ponder the nature of things and Natural laws and see where it fits in relationship to its very own beliefs, and understand why it feels so disconnected to its society.
Because the 7th house is in Aquarius possibly the people that it would encounter would be different from society normalcy, each community different from the other and the individual would move in and adopt for itself for a while the beliefs, habits of these new people.
It may also be attracted to small rebel groups or secret societies, all these new experiences will help  broaden its views and understand by objectifying itself, the choices that it made along its life that caused trauma, as a necessity that its Soul had chosen to experience.Leaving behind any possibility of self blame/ blame others for the hardship/ trauma in its life. It could at times have been ostracized for its stubborn ideas / ideologies by others, forcing it to be in a group of one.
This Souls  evolutionary intention is to be in a relationship that is based on equality, in freedom and independence principles. In giving and receiving equally to one another, and stop to put itself before others, considering others as important as itself


In the consensus stages this individual would be very much about things, material things that show his place in society. It would want cars, big showy homes, flash its wealth about as a power tool. Fame, status and power would be an objective this soul would work hard to achieve. Maybe using to its advantage relationships formed to climb to the top faster.

In the individuated stages, this soul would start to break away from all those material bondages, that previously seemed to be so important that at the end of the day did not bring to this individual the satisfaction / security / love, it previously believed it would, neither did it sustain its friendships in time of rebellion against the system, family and societal values. Its friends may have seemed sincere at the time but looking back at the situation, the individual realizes that somebody did to itself the same it previously had done to others in order to advance its objectives.
The individual would attract relationships that would help it realize that the ideal relationship does not exist, that everybody has its own ideologies and that diversity is best for evolution to proceed. Disappointments as it realizes that it is only temporarily happy with another human being, and what it thought to be the perfect relationship did not turn out that way, this in turn helped the individual to look inwards and start asking more questions  ousted of itself.

In the spiritual stages, going back to the example of the parent that totally dedicates its existence towards raising a family. This individual would totally respect the individuality of each offspring, loving, supporting and being there for them no matter what. This would show us that the Leo Pluto first house has understood that through service towards others it becomes humbled and understands how small it really is, deflating its narcissistic tendencies in relation to all else.
 It would also join different groups where it would  give its help / ashrams so as to learn, through continuos effort new ways, techniques to expand its awareness and help it connect itself to the totality, and once it knows well the techniques it will move onto another and another until nirvana is reached.


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on May 06, 2014, 12:06 PM
Hi Rita,

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Leo Pluto first house conjunct SN in Leo balsamic:

The natal position of Pluto is demonstrating the specific prior lifetimes and orientations that have direct bearing on the current lifetime.
First house is ruled by Mars, yang /cardinal, and a new evolutionary cycle has begun, and for that reason it is the drive the Soul uses to carry out its desires that are very instinctive, by this i mean no forethought or premeditation would occur as it is instinctual. Because is coming from the 12th house , yin energy going inwards, it could feel anger, anxiety of the separation from the womb, as it desires to break free to discover who it really is, threatening its security.
 
The Soul is always in a state of becoming and this is why it needs all the freedom to act upon its desires and creative self actualization.

Anger could also build up if this individual sees its freedom curtailed somehow. Yet there are conflicting desires within the Soul as Pluto seeks security, stability and to remain as is, and the Souls desire is to evolve and go beyond what it already is. This causes the Soul to periodically find itself with an identity crisis, anger and frustration could be released by projecting onto others that have nothing to do with anything.
 
Leo first house Pluto will like to be in command to shine and feel important in relation to others. It will feel very uncomfortable with competition as it fears the loss of its position by somebody else better than itself.

With this signature, the soul can also be obsessed with competition; compulsively lead to create them when there is none.

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Because it is so impulsive it will take decisions that have not been thought out and will be surprised when it does not turn the way it was expected. Facing defeat is quite tragic for this Soul and it will fight to the end.

Pluto in the first house leo /SN in Leo feels it has a special destiny to fulfill and it has to creatively actualize itself. It tends to be doubly narcissistic ( first house Leo) in its desires, and will blindly follow what it feels is important for it desires to know itself through action that will cause a reaction. It will put itself before others.

Children could be for this Soul the creative self actualization that it came to do as part of the continuation of prior life work and its evolutionary intent, in which it makes it its job to raise and dedicate itself to its children. For some Souls this would mean that the parent would try to  influence its offspring to be what it could not be, putting a lot of expectations on the offspring. For another Soul it would be to the contrary and  allow the child to be itself and incentive its independence and creative abilities, feeling proud when it saw in its offspring the potential to be creative, different and successful.


There could also be the case in which the Soul would feel threatened by the child, lets say for its beauty, intelligence making the parent insecure of itself in relation to others.

Excellent, all really well said.

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Power is important as it will make the Soul  feel full of itself. Extravagance and generosity of some sort is often a gesture for this individual as a symbol of love and the need to be loved.  Giving to the other what it likes and not necessarily what the other would have desired.
The tendency with Pluto first house in Leo is to be naturally dramatic, drama is very much part of this Soul as a form of exaggerated reactions to anything. Not realizing that others see it as a drama queen or as an exhibitionist.

 This Soul could have hypnotic sexual attractions that have nothing in common with the person, choosing partners that have the same desire for independence and non long term commitment to a relationship as itself. This way it knows that it will be free to pursue another desire and creatively actualize itself when the prior relationship has reached a non evolutionary stage.

This could show us that this Soul would be in a total re-live situation with the SN conjunct Pluto first house in Leo, and is here to re-do many accumulated unresolved issues of prior lives, being in Leo it could be through children that this individual would somehow learn to give to others what they need because it has learned to listen (7th house pp) to the needs of others. It would learn to manage its needs for freedom and commitment through the responsibility that children are in its life. Maybe this individual could find within itself the commitment responsibility and service that parenting requires, teaching the individual to love them unconditionally and freely, thus defusing any fear loss of its freedom. Yet the idea or dedication of the same commitment towards a long term relationship would be almost impossible to envisage.

Everything you wrote is really right on, however with this signature there is not necessarily a defacto resistance to a long term commitment with another. While resistance is definitely a possibility, this soul can definitely be in a long term committed relationship and still be entirely narcissistically oriented and demonstrate a total disinterest in learning how to give and listen according to the needs of the other.

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The other possibility could be that this Soul has in prior lives totally actualized its prior intention  of becoming a great athlete / singer/dancer and in this life time due its prior life efforts is meant to bring forward this gift so that it can share it with the world. This by itself will inspire many youngsters who will want to become like the famous athlete / singer/dancer. It will make this individual very happy as others will love it, and look up at it as a especial  superstar all empowered.

This aspect gives the individual a sense of specialness which it desires to share with others that when shared with others will have a metamorphosis effect as the individual will live the joy, pride of others and will evolve beyond what it already was.

This in turn is called a fruition life, meaning that the evolutionary intention / desire has been pure and this life will be rewarded.

One way to understand fruition is not one of "reward" but rather that the soul comes into this life with a specific purpose that fulfill - this purpose being something that has already been actualized prior to this life. There will come a point for a soul with a fruitive sn condition where they too will fulfill their evolutionary purpose relative to the sn. Fruitive sn is a specific kind of karma, and that karma, for as long as it is operative, requires the soul to do what it has come here to do.

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The most common is fruition and re-live, a combination of both. An example could be that this individual brings forward a gift its creative self actualization, that it is supposed to share with the world but as it becomes successful, powerful, it looses sight of reality and believes that it is the  creator of its gift or success is all due to its own merit, the god syndrome forgetting divine grace. This eventually causes its down fall so as to oblige the individual to  retreat into itself and humble itself so as to change its perspective and reality, becoming aware of how small and powerless it is in relation to the vastness of the universe

This would be more applicable to the spiritual state and/or if that sn was in the 12th house. If the soul gets "carried away" in its own glory and sense of purpose one example of what can happen is it will find itself deeply alone (1st house).

We're not yet addressing the north node or the polarity point in this practice, however since you addressed it I will very gladly offer my feedback:

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The Polarity point of SN and Pluto 7th house in Aquarius:
This  shows us that this individual is periodically oriented to have many relationships with different types of people. It is its desire to embrace diversity and fulfill its hopes and ideals through relationships, this diversity will help it understand more about itself and its needs, as well as the  others needs. These people would be people who would think like itself or people disassociated from society in some way, having different points of view of what relationships ought to be. Maybe this individual would not want to have a traditional marriage as it would perceive it as bondage imposed by society and would seek open relationships that are equally free.

That is all a possibility, however just to clarify: Marriage is an 8th house thing. 7th house just has to do with relationships.

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Slowly through evolutionary necessity it will learn that to be in a relationship is nice and does not curtail necessarily its freedom, if both sides balance out the needs of the other. It would have to listen to the other so as to understand what is important for them and learn to give to others what they need and not what the individual thinks they need. To give when it is right to give, and be ok when it decides to say no, without having the fear of not being liked anymore.

Excellent. And again, the nn and ppp in the 7th doesn't mean this soul would not have been in relationships - it means they are LEARNING how to be in balanced relationship. It's quite possible they have been in relationships their entire life. For example imagine we have the sn in Leo in the 1st with it's ruler, the Sun in Libra in the 3rd. This soul will have been in many kinds of relationships and will also be very interested in listening and learning from others. However in this case the nn would emphasize that this soul is learning to listen objectively, without the need to please others and communicate in ways that would make them liked and adored (3rd house libra relative to sn in Leo in the 1st).

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Likely the relationships could be with individuals of prior lives ( SN balsamic to Pluto applying ), as they appeared at a time that the individual most needed them to help solve situations that the individual alone could not do, and once that help was done, the relationship lost its meaning and the individual would rebel / provoke arguments at the situation and possibly project the frustration on to the partner giving it a reason to move on, towards a new relationship or towards being alone.

There would be very intense almost hypnotic sexual attractions that lasted for short periods, leaving / or being left would cause trauma to the soul and it would have a traumatic effect on the soul so as to question its beliefs or standing in life.

This individual would periodically gravitate to its SN and retreat into solitude when it felt that it had lost its identity to another.
It will then deeply ponder the nature of things and Natural laws and see where it fits in relationship to its very own beliefs, and understand why it feels so disconnected to its society.

Because the 7th house is in Aquarius possibly the people that it would encounter would be different from society normalcy, each community different from the other and the individual would move in and adopt for itself for a while the beliefs, habits of these new people.

It may also be attracted to small rebel groups or secret societies, all these new experiences will help  broaden its views and understand by objectifying itself, the choices that it made along its life that caused trauma, as a necessity that its Soul had chosen to experience.Leaving behind any possibility of self blame/ blame others for the hardship/ trauma in its life. It could at times have been ostracized for its stubborn ideas / ideologies by others, forcing it to be in a group of one.

Everything you have written regarding trauma is a possibility - however that is descriptive of resolving Aquarius 7th house karma and thus would be more relevant if the chart indicated unresolved karma relative to the north node. And definitely yes to learning to be a group of one. This soul is learning to just be who they are and to support the same for others, so they can be accepted and love for the human being that they are.

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This Souls  evolutionary intention is to be in a relationship that is based on equality, in freedom and independence principles. In giving and receiving equally to one another, and stop to put itself before others, considering others as important as itself

In the consensus stages this individual would be very much about things, material things that show his place in society. It would want cars, big showy homes, flash its wealth about as a power tool. Fame, status and power would be an objective this soul would work hard to achieve. Maybe using to its advantage relationships formed to climb to the top faster.

The connection to "things" is not necessarily true for this signature. That would be more relevant if the sn was in the 2nd house.

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In the individuated stages, this soul would start to break away from all those material bondages, that previously seemed to be so important that at the end of the day did not bring to this individual the satisfaction / security / love, it previously believed it would, neither did it sustain its friendships in time of rebellion against the system, family and societal values. Its friends may have seemed sincere at the time but looking back at the situation, the individual realizes that somebody did to itself the same it previously had done to others in order to advance its objectives.

The individual would attract relationships that would help it realize that the ideal relationship does not exist, that everybody has its own ideologies and that diversity is best for evolution to proceed.

Disappointments as it realizes that it is only temporarily happy with another human being, and what it thought to be the perfect relationship did not turn out that way, this in turn helped the individual to look inwards and start asking more questions  ousted of itself.

This is not totally descriptive of the sn in Leo in the 1st. A lot of what you wrote seems to put the sn in Aquarius in the 7th.

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In the spiritual stages, going back to the example of the parent that totally dedicates its existence towards raising a family. This individual would totally respect the individuality of each offspring, loving, supporting and being there for them no matter what. This would show us that the Leo Pluto first house has understood that through service towards others it becomes humbled and understands how small it really is, deflating its narcissistic tendencies in relation to all else.

There can definitely be strong narcisissm well into the spiritual state. There can also be strong dedication towards children and respect towards the individuality of each offspring in the consensus stages as well.

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It would also join different groups where it would  give its help / ashrams so as to learn, through continuos effort new ways, techniques to expand its awareness and help it connect itself to the totality, and once it knows well the techniques it will move onto another and another until nirvana is reached.

That is not relevant to this signature. Ashrams and techniques are more Sag/Pisces/Virgo.

You did an excellent job at describing the nature of the south node and Pluto in Leo in the 1st. Your analysis exemplifies a very clear and accurate understanding of the relationship between the soul and the ego. You also accurately expressed some of the various fruitive/relive possibilities for this signature. Your growth with this work is really palpable Rita. Thank you for your contribution.

When we go to the north node we can address that more then. One place that needs some work is your application to the sn to the various evolutionary stages. Of course please feel free to ask any questions.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Emily on May 06, 2014, 07:14 PM
Hi -

Here's an attempt at:

Pluto in Libra in the 8th House

South Node in Capricorn in the 10th House

Much Love,
Emily


With Pluto in Libra in the 8th house the underlying desires of the soul are linked to metamorphosizing limitations that are preventing the soul from experiencing balance in relationships. The soul has been exhausting desires related to relationships that are based on need and use, versus growth, mutual self-reliance and mutual independence.  The soul has been exploring uniting with symbols of power, specifically through the initiation of many different relationships, in order to take that power into itself and thus grow beyond its previous limitations. This has led to all kinds of imbalanced power dynamics within relationships, where the soul has been too dependent on another, or mistreated another to get what it felt it needed, and potentially has also experienced other people using the soul or being too dependent on it. In Libra, there is the strong possibility of having clung to a false sense of security and power within a relationship by having a partner be dependent on the soul. The soul has also experienced deep connection with others that allowed for a metamorphosis of both people. There has been the desire for deep, intimate connection, and the desire to learn about oneself through relationship. The soul has perhaps accumulated much karma with partners  – some having to do with early endings that were not mutually agreed upon, and also karma of a positive nature – loving soul connections where both people helped each other learn and grow in a non-dependent way.

The identity the soul created in the past to actualize those desires is represented by the SN in Capricorn in the 10th House. The soul has been desiring to metamorphosize limitations in how it relates to others with respect to issues of authority, control, social position, and familial or societal conditioning. The desires of penetrating to the core of another have been pursued in the person’s professional life. It has somehow been associated with the person’s role in society. The identity of the soul was perhaps wrapped up with a social role associated with (or as an authority on) relationships, or Pluto type things – the soul, sex, ritual, some taboo subject or some position of power over others. The person has perhaps become intimate with people it worked with (or worked with a partner it was already in relationship with).  The soul can be working out karma with partners from past lives through its work – in a non-intimate way.

The soul may have held power over many people in a very stratified society. And could have inherited this power from the family. The soul may have experienced shame as it lost its power due to being overly identified with its social role. There is the potential for the soul to have used its social role to manipulate others and have its needs met, misusing its power. There could have been an identity of entitlement with respect to having others meet the soul’s needs.

The soul may also have been in a position to help others empower themselves, being able to listen to others and help them in some way. They could have worked as a counselor.  The soul has been desiring to take responsibility for itself in relationship, to maintain its own inner authority even while opening up to another person, to maintain the boundaries of its personality and not lose itself or be overpowered by another person. Perhaps this was a soul worker, one with integrity and clear boundaries.

The soul could have been engaged in very conditioned, restrictive relationships, based on societal or familial expectations.  The soul could have experienced intense judgments of its relationships if they differed from the consensus. And the soul could have repressed certain relationship desires because of the fear of losing status or power. Growth may have been limited because of the fear of letting go of an existing relationship that may have been connected to the person’s public persona. This could have led to such relationships ending anyway. The soul could also have formed relationships in order to further its career/social status goals, or had others forming relationships with the soul for this purpose for themselves. Or the soul could have helped others develop themselves professionally in a healthy way.

The soul has perhaps responded to evolutionary necessity in a very mature way - realizing that power comes from within, that relationships take time and effort and also being open to change. The soul may already be rooted in its own power and be able to engage in relationships in a mutually independent way.The soul could be very skilled at engaging in relationships in a balanced way, having learned from the past. The soul could also have responded with varying degrees of repression and resistance to making needed changes in its public and personal life, holding on to the past out of fear.

Consensus State:
The soul could have been desiring to further itself in society, to merge with people more powerful or socially advanced than itself to gain more status, wealth etc. Relationships may have been based on how the partner could further the career or social position of the soul. Or the soul could potentially have been in a position of great social power, and used it for good, merging its resources with others and helping those less fortunate in some way.

Individuated State:
The soul would have been desiring to break free from the limitations of past patterns of relating, engaging in relationships that reflect values which challenge the consensus.  Using relationship and intimacy as a way to breakdown conditioning. Learning how to be true to themselves in their public lives and relationships. In the first stage there could be hiding with respect to how the person structures their relationships, but as they progress through the individuated state, they can become someone who helps the rest of humanity evolve the nature and structure of relationships – de-conditioning from patriarchal relationship constructs.

Spiritual State:
The soul has been seeking to further itself spiritually through relationships. There has been perhaps excessive dependence on others to connect the soul with source vs. seeking the connection within. The soul is desiring to metamorphosize limitations within that are preventing a connection to the divine through its work in the world & in intimate relationships. The soul's work in the world could be related to helping others metamorphosize these limitations within themselves, helping others connect to the divinity within. In a distortion, the soul could have attempted to limit or control others in relationship using various distorted spiritual teachings.


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: rita on May 07, 2014, 12:20 AM
Hi Ari,
Thank you for your feed back, it is getting easier!
I will try and expand on the NN during this week end.
peace and love,
rita


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: fruitbat on May 07, 2014, 07:44 AM
Hi Ari,
  I'm a bit overwhelmed by responsibilities this week-I likely won't be able to post until Monday.                Love,  Mike

                                           


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Wei on May 07, 2014, 09:15 PM
Hi Ari, i will post on monday.

Wei


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: rita on May 08, 2014, 10:22 AM
Hi Ari,
Tried to go deeper on the  ppoint, thank you again for your commitment, patience, kindness and great teaching.
love and peace
rita

North Node aquarius 7th house /Pluto polarity point 7th house Aquarius.

This is where the individual will find the other, and at the same time this is where the individual has been listening and learning about the others needs. Breaking away from the subjective self to discover there is a world beyond itself.
The individual will seek relationships with people who can help it continue its liberation from the conditioning consensus, societal and family conditioning of how to be in relationships. It would unconsciously compare others to itself, until it has learned to respect others desires  as equally important as its own.
It would feel different  from societal, family values in many ways, it could be afraid of being different for fear  of being alienated by the society, family born into, or it could on the contrary have a cause, causing great rebellion/ individuation in the individual against the values of its community / family, causing it to feel very often a group of one within a crowd.
 
Family could project guilt on the individual for not conforming to their dictates causing trauma on the self, this individual could have been different from the start, and family values and societal values would have become a stumbling block in its evolutionary intent as every time it tried to show its uniqueness it would have been deflated / alienated / lost hope by the system, family, friends only making it angrier and more determined to breakaway and be itself.
 
It could enjoy to live in a different type of house than its peers, dress in a very individualistic way, through which it could apply its creative self actualization into the originality of the decoration / utility of its home, and of its own looks. Others, like itself, who live in communes and have different outlooks of what life should be like, may have something the individual does not yet know and is willing to share it.  It will feel instantly  attracted to the new innovative and like minded people, where exchanges/ confrontations would occur so as to help the individual understand where its beliefs, values, ideals stand in the world. Another possibility would be that it believes that its beliefs are right and the others are wrong and will remain fixed in its truth, making its partner, friends, feel alienated, or detaching itself all together from the other.
With Aquarius as the pp. this individual will feel attracted to people or groups that look towards the future, and may end up for a while in a type of kibbutz commune which offers new ahead of times technology, or that itself invented something out of nothing. Not really out of nothing but out of an idea which would be eco friendly and would benefit society as a whole.
With Leo first house and Aquarius as pp there could be some form of elitism or at the very least the need to be the best at what they do

There could be also a certain refusal to change once it believes it has found the thing that works for itself, and yet sooner or later for evolution to proceed the individual will be confronted by others with different ideas, that will show it that its ideas are limited / outdated, forcing the individual to retreat onto itself and wonder/ponder and change.
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But no matter what, this individual will seek relationships with peoples of all types, regardless of the critics of others as it is its evolutionary intent is to liberate itself and discover for itself what best it resonates with and how the other reacts in relation to itself.
As the individual further learns to integrate its SN first house (self love) about the other it will no longer fear the loss of freedom if it commits to a long term relationship as it has understood that freedom can be achieved without the needs for extreme behavior, that promises are to be kept and the choices one makes have consequences on the other.


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on May 08, 2014, 01:47 PM
Hi Emily,

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Pluto in Libra in the 8th House

South Node in Capricorn in the 10th House

Much Love,
Emily


With Pluto in Libra in the 8th house the underlying desires of the soul are linked to metamorphosizing limitations that are preventing the soul from experiencing balance in relationships. The soul has been exhausting desires related to relationships that are based on need and use, versus growth, mutual self-reliance and mutual independence.  The soul has been exploring uniting with symbols of power, specifically through the initiation of many different relationships, in order to take that power into itself and thus grow beyond its previous limitations. This has led to all kinds of imbalanced power dynamics within relationships, where the soul has been too dependent on another, or mistreated another to get what it felt it needed, and potentially has also experienced other people using the soul or being too dependent on it. In Libra, there is the strong possibility of having clung to a false sense of security and power within a relationship by having a partner be dependent on the soul. The soul has also experienced deep connection with others that allowed for a metamorphosis of both people. There has been the desire for deep, intimate connection, and the desire to learn about oneself through relationship. The soul has perhaps accumulated much karma with partners  – some having to do with early endings that were not mutually agreed upon, and also karma of a positive nature – loving soul connections where both people helped each other learn and grow in a non-dependent way.

The identity the soul created in the past to actualize those desires is represented by the SN in Capricorn in the 10th House. The soul has been desiring to metamorphosize limitations in how it relates to others with respect to issues of authority, control, social position, and familial or societal conditioning. The desires of penetrating to the core of another have been pursued in the person’s professional life. It has somehow been associated with the person’s role in society. The identity of the soul was perhaps wrapped up with a social role associated with (or as an authority on) relationships, or Pluto type things – the soul, sex, ritual, some taboo subject or some position of power over others. The person has perhaps become intimate with people it worked with (or worked with a partner it was already in relationship with).  The soul can be working out karma with partners from past lives through its work – in a non-intimate way.

The soul may have held power over many people in a very stratified society. And could have inherited this power from the family. The soul may have experienced shame as it lost its power due to being overly identified with its social role. There is the potential for the soul to have used its social role to manipulate others and have its needs met, misusing its power. There could have been an identity of entitlement with respect to having others meet the soul’s needs. 

The soul may also have been in a position to help others empower themselves, being able to listen to others and help them in some way. They could have worked as a counselor.  The soul has been desiring to take responsibility for itself in relationship, to maintain its own inner authority even while opening up to another person, to maintain the boundaries of its personality and not lose itself or be overpowered by another person. Perhaps this was a soul worker, one with integrity and clear boundaries.

The soul could have been engaged in very conditioned, restrictive relationships, based on societal or familial expectations.  The soul could have experienced intense judgments of its relationships if they differed from the consensus. And the soul could have repressed certain relationship desires because of the fear of losing status or power. Growth may have been limited because of the fear of letting go of an existing relationship that may have been connected to the person’s public persona. This could have led to such relationships ending anyway. The soul could also have formed relationships in order to further its career/social status goals, or had others forming relationships with the soul for this purpose for themselves. Or the soul could have helped others develop themselves professionally in a healthy way.

The soul has perhaps responded to evolutionary necessity in a very mature way - realizing that power comes from within, that relationships take time and effort and also being open to change. The soul may already be rooted in its own power and be able to engage in relationships in a mutually independent way.The soul could be very skilled at engaging in relationships in a balanced way, having learned from the past. The soul could also have responded with varying degrees of repression and resistance to making needed changes in its public and personal life, holding on to the past out of fear.

Excellent Emily, all really well said.

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Consensus State:
The soul could have been desiring to further itself in society, to merge with people more powerful or socially advanced than itself to gain more status, wealth etc. Relationships may have been based on how the partner could further the career or social position of the soul. Or the soul could potentially have been in a position of great social power, and used it for good, merging its resources with others and helping those less fortunate in some way.

Yes and this can also be the signature of a psychologist/counselor who gives to others according to the prevailing psychological orientations of the consensus stages. And a core karmic dynamic here would be "hearing" the other and determining the cause for the other person's reality according to the existing social psychological constructs all rooted in the soul's underlying desire to fit into the status quo.

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Individuated State:
The soul would have been desiring to break free from the limitations of past patterns of relating, engaging in relationships that reflect values which challenge the consensus.  Using relationship and intimacy as a way to breakdown conditioning. Learning how to be true to themselves in their public lives and relationships. In the first stage there could be hiding with respect to how the person structures their relationships, but as they progress through the individuated state, they can become someone who helps the rest of humanity evolve the nature and structure of relationships – de-conditioning from patriarchal relationship constructs.

Not necessarily hiding. Hiding as an archetype is specific to Pisces. However what I think your tuning into is the psychology of differentness and alienation rooted in a fear of being judged which then leads to the feeling of "not belonging" and thus not experiencing true intimacy with others. This weighs on the soul deeply because it's existing desires have been about maintaining the security of the past: to fit in and be accepted. In relationship there can be a pattern of putting on false personas (libra) by way of accommodating to what the soul projects other people want to see on the basis that the soul does not feel secure in just being who it is and thus totally "loosing its soul to other people"; not having any ground in itself. The soul can feel that its constantly trying to meet other people's projected needs/expectations all because of an underlying fear in rejection and judgement which roots back to this soul's evolutionary intention to determine what is "right and wrong" from within.

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Spiritual State:
The soul has been seeking to further itself spiritually through relationships. There has been perhaps excessive dependence on others to connect the soul with source vs. seeking the connection within. The soul is desiring to metamorphosize limitations within that are preventing a connection to the divine through its work in the world & in intimate relationships. The soul's work in the world could be related to helping others metamorphosize these limitations within themselves, helping others connect to the divinity within. In a distortion, the soul could have attempted to limit or control others in relationship using various distorted spiritual teachings.

Thank you for your post Emily. Your post expresses a very clear understanding of the relationship between Pluto and the sn as well as the various ways in which it can express.

One aspect that wasn't touched upon too much is the psychology of resentment and revenge. If the soul is constantly accommodating to other people on the basis of IT'S OWN need to be accepted, this could then lead to a build up of repressed emotion and resentment directed towards OTHER people on the basis that the soul pictures itself as constantly doing the "right thing" and giving of itself according to what it projects other people want of them. Thus there can be a deep distrust of other people and even the need to "get back" at others.

There can be issues around ethics: violating other people's boundaries, sexually/psychologically using other people by playing a "role" that will make other feel listened to.

This soul can also be immensely controlling and manipulative to others on the basis of needing to control other people's lives. This can be in a work context, in a family context or any relationship context where this soul is the "boss" of the other who is in a position of total dependence upon the soul. This soul would be responsible in some way for the "life and death" of the person(s) they are in relationship with. Depending on the distortions within the soul, this can lead to very intense manipulation, judgment, restriction/rules and control all rooted in this soul's core desire to maintain their own power and authority THROUGH relationship with other people.

With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Emily on May 09, 2014, 08:26 AM
Hi Ari Moshe,

Thank you so much for your comments.

Does the "intention to determine what is 'right and wrong' from within" come from capricorn? or is that part of the process of individuation?

-Emily




Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on May 09, 2014, 11:13 AM
Hi Rita,

I think you may have missed what I wrote above. We aren't on the nn and polarity point yet. That will be our next step. However since you put the time and energy into this I will gladly respond.

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Hi Ari,
Tried to go deeper on the  ppoint, thank you again for your commitment, patience, kindness and great teaching.
love and peace
rita

North Node aquarius 7th house /Pluto polarity point 7th house Aquarius.

This is where the individual will find the other, and at the same time this is where the individual has been listening and learning about the others needs. Breaking away from the subjective self to discover there is a world beyond itself.
The individual will seek relationships with people who can help it continue its liberation from the conditioning consensus, societal and family conditioning of how to be in relationships. It would unconsciously compare others to itself, until it has learned to respect others desires  as equally important as its own.

It would feel different  from societal, family values in many ways, it could be afraid of being different for fear  of being alienated by the society, family born into, or it could on the contrary have a cause, causing great rebellion/ individuation in the individual against the values of its community / family, causing it to feel very often a group of one within a crowd.

Again all of that would be relevant is the sn was in Aquarius in the 7th or if there was karmic stuff brought into this life time with the nn. This soul's core karmic orientation is Leo in the 1st. That has nothing to do with rebelling againt anything.
 
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Family could project guilt on the individual for not conforming to their dictates causing trauma on the self, this individual could have been different from the start, and family values and societal values would have become a stumbling block in its evolutionary intent as every time it tried to show its uniqueness it would have been deflated / alienated / lost hope by the system, family, friends only making it angrier and more determined to breakaway and be itself.

Same as above, and also family is not an implicit correlation with this signature
 
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It could enjoy to live in a different type of house than its peers, dress in a very individualistic way, through which it could apply its creative self actualization into the originality of the decoration / utility of its home, and of its own looks. Others, like itself, who live in communes and have different outlooks of what life should be like, may have something the individual does not yet know and is willing to share it.  It will feel instantly  attracted to the new innovative and like minded people, where exchanges/ confrontations would occur so as to help the individual understand where its beliefs, values, ideals stand in the world. Another possibility would be that it believes that its beliefs are right and the others are wrong and will remain fixed in its truth, making its partner, friends, feel alienated, or detaching itself all together from the other.

Beliefs and remaining fixed in its truth is more relevant to Sag. if This soul has Sag in the 1st house, then their challenge would be opening up to the point of views of others.

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With Aquarius as the pp. this individual will feel attracted to people or groups that look towards the future, and may end up for a while in a type of kibbutz commune which offers new ahead of times technology, or that itself invented something out of nothing. Not really out of nothing but out of an idea which would be eco friendly and would benefit society as a whole.
With Leo first house and Aquarius as pp there could be some form of elitism or at the very least the need to be the best at what they do

Yes this is possible. The core of the polarity point in Aquarius is the evolutionary intention, necessity to learn detachment.

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There could be also a certain refusal to change once it believes it has found the thing that works for itself, and yet sooner or later for evolution to proceed the individual will be confronted by others with different ideas, that will show it that its ideas are limited / outdated, forcing the individual to retreat onto itself and wonder/ponder and change.

Again "ideas" would be more relevant to the Sag/Gemini axis. In this case the soul would be facing the evolutionary need over and over again to learn to be an equal. This soul may find itself in relationships with others where at some point it feels like it is not being seen or appreciated (Leo). This can create a cycle of competition and manipulation which then results in creating further disconnection between self and others. This will happen until the soul realizes that they are reacting (1st house) to other people through the filter of their own egocentric self orientation. Thus the soul will gradually learn to listen objectively and not personalize anything.

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But no matter what, this individual will seek relationships with peoples of all types, regardless of the critics of others as it is its evolutionary intent is to liberate itself and discover for itself what best it resonates with and how the other reacts in relation to itself.
As the individual further learns to integrate its SN first house (self love) about the other it will no longer fear the loss of freedom if it commits to a long term relationship as it has understood that freedom can be achieved without the needs for extreme behavior, that promises are to be kept and the choices one makes have consequences on the other.
The core of what you wrote is accurate. Two corrections: 2nd house = self love. And also long term commitment isn't necessarily defacto a point of resistance for this signature. It could be, but not necessarily so.

Thank you for your efforts Rita. We can work more on the nn and polarity point in whatever way you want to soon when we move on to the next step in our practice.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on May 09, 2014, 11:17 AM
Hi Emily,

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Does the "intention to determine what is 'right and wrong' from within" come from capricorn? or is that part of the process of individuation?

Capricorn, and then since we're looking at the individuated stage, "looking within to determine right and wrong" in this context would mean retreating from social constructs and judgments of right and wrong and deciding for oneself.


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: rita on May 09, 2014, 01:26 PM
Hi Ari,
Thank you for your time and effort again.Sorry but somehow i do not seem to get the NN and i seem to weave them together. When we will continue with the NN i will try and understand it better by continuing to practice
Love and peace
rita


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Wei on May 12, 2014, 02:31 AM
Hi Ari, so sorry i need more time to finish this assignment, i will post as soon as i can, don't wait for me. Had hard time to focus last week...

Thanks for your patience.
Wei


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: fruitbat on May 12, 2014, 07:43 AM
Pluto in Virgo House 8
South Node in Virgo House 8
  The underlying desires of this soul as indicated by the natal placement of Pluto in the eighth house in the sign of Virgo are to undergo transformations of  previous limitations (in effect a sort of death/rebirth process) involving themes of purity, worthiness, humilty,  practicality, service, of learning mental and moral discrimination, of learning to be practical use to the community or world at large, of learning a skill or craft to offer , and of self refinement on all levels including health. In this particular case with Pluto being located in its "natural house", there  is an added intensity around these past evolutionary intents. There seems to be a particularly purgatorial feeling when blending this sign and house placement together.  There have likely been experiences of power and powerlessness of varying levels of intensity and the above Virgoan qualities have likely been attempted to be manifested through other people's values or through symbols of power beyond the self-in effect through sources viewed as being outside of the self with an attempt to merge the self with those qualities in order to evolve or transform. There is likely some level of psychological  guilt or self criticism at work with this Pluto placement in order to spur growth beyond the prevous limitations.


The types of human identities created in the past as indicated by the South Node in the eighth house in Virgo  in order to pursue those soul level desires are individuals whose lives involve those same themes of humilty, practicality, worthiness, discrimination, service, practicality, self criticism, gulit, craftmandship, and self refinement and of experiences of power or loss of power and of transforming past previous limitations or intense evolutionary development. Some very specific examples among the multivalent possibilities for individual identities manifested with this South Node placement include:
A person who works very hard in order to heal or stave off a sense of guilt.
-A person who seeks power through some form of occult servitude.
-A person who seeks to be pure through celibacy.
-A person who is a sexual slave or servant.
-A person who seeks some form of salvation (underlying this is really a sense of power) through humility or service.
-A person who accepts a menial life of servitude due to not feeling worthy of more.
- A person who works out incessantly or obsesses over their diet in order to have control over the body.
-A person who becomes powerful due to perfecting a craft or skill.
-A person with an eating disorder.
-A person who greatly fears death and worries about death often.
-A person born into a low caste in a socially stratified society who cleans up after others.
- A person who worries about other peoples resources more than his/her own.
- A hospice volunteer.
- A person who feels guilty for other people's issues.
Consensus A soul in this state would tend to accept consensus ideals around self improvement and would focus on socially accepted forms of work, service and health issues. Honing a craft or skill which is in some way useful to the society at large, acceptance of being a member of "the lower rung" in a class conscious society, etc.
Individuated A soul in the individuated state would be more and more focused on self improvement or on honing a craft not in relation to any societal convention or need. Here perhaps a soul would be focused on self improvement through learning the craft of being an astrologer, practicing the physical art of yoga, sexual practices, etc.
Spiritual Here the soul would begin to focus on true humility, spiritual service, and of purifying all separating desires (sexual and otherwise) from the self.


As Pluto and the South Node are located in the same sign and house there seems to be a "heavy curriculum" that has been chosen by this soul around Virgoan and eighth house themes.The soul has chosen to respond to evolutionary necesssity by incarnating with the South Node and Pluto being placed in the same sign and house-in effect the identities created in the past (South Node) have placed an extra emphasis on the underlying soul level desires (Pluto) by being in an identical house and sign. This indicates that the soul is continually reworking and reincarnating with these desires or intents in order to relive them until they are brought to fruition.(As I typed the last sentense, I realized how essentially Virgoan this process sounds.)

The strengths that this soul may have developed include knowledge of its own limitations, true humility , strong dedication to the process of refinement, and the willing to undergo necessary changes in order have something to offer his/her community or the world at large as well as the chance to intensely evolve in a particularly Virgoan way.


The limitations are that the soul may become so focused on one particular evolutionary desire that it is unable to "see the forest for the trees" (again so Virgo)and that the possiblity for resistance is very strong.
 
Note-I had some technical difficulties this morning as I wrote this and ended up having to redo this exercise as my computer failed to save my previous efforts. I was very frustrated as I am overwhelmed with busyness/responsiblity today. This led to an epiphanous moment in which I was wondering if our souls ever feel this way as they are reliving or refining a praticular theme. The Universe is such a great teacher.  ;)
                                                             In gratitude and love,
                                                                          Mike   


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on May 12, 2014, 04:43 PM
Hi Mike,

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Pluto in Virgo House 8
South Node in Virgo House 8

  The underlying desires of this soul as indicated by the natal placement of Pluto in the eighth house in the sign of Virgo are to undergo transformations of  previous limitations (in effect a sort of death/rebirth process) involving themes of purity, worthiness, humilty,  practicality, service, of learning mental and moral discrimination, of learning to be practical use to the community or world at large, of learning a skill or craft to offer , and of self refinement on all levels including health. In this particular case with Pluto being located in its "natural house", there  is an added intensity around these past evolutionary intents. There seems to be a particularly purgatorial feeling when blending this sign and house placement together.  There have likely been experiences of power and powerlessness of varying levels of intensity and the above Virgoan qualities have likely been attempted to be manifested through other people's values or through symbols of power beyond the self-in effect through sources viewed as being outside of the self with an attempt to merge the self with those qualities in order to evolve or transform. There is likely some level of psychological  guilt or self criticism at work with this Pluto placement in order to spur growth beyond the prevous limitations.


The types of human identities created in the past as indicated by the South Node in the eighth house in Virgo  in order to pursue those soul level desires are individuals whose lives involve those same themes of humilty, practicality, worthiness, discrimination, service, practicality, self criticism, gulit, craftmandship, and self refinement and of experiences of power or loss of power and of transforming past previous limitations or intense evolutionary development. Some very specific examples among the multivalent possibilities for individual identities manifested with this South Node placement include:
A person who works very hard in order to heal or stave off a sense of guilt.
-A person who seeks power through some form of occult servitude.
-A person who seeks to be pure through celibacy.
-A person who is a sexual slave or servant.
-A person who seeks some form of salvation (underlying this is really a sense of power) through humility or service.
-A person who accepts a menial life of servitude due to not feeling worthy of more.
- A person who works out incessantly or obsesses over their diet in order to have control over the body.
-A person who becomes powerful due to perfecting a craft or skill.
-A person with an eating disorder.
-A person who greatly fears death and worries about death often.
-A person born into a low caste in a socially stratified society who cleans up after others.
- A person who worries about other peoples resources more than his/her own.
- A hospice volunteer.
- A person who feels guilty for other people's issues.

Excellent Mike! All really well said.

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Consensus A soul in this state would tend to accept consensus ideals around self improvement and would focus on socially accepted forms of work, service and health issues. Honing a craft or skill which is in some way useful to the society at large, acceptance of being a member of "the lower rung" in a class conscious society, etc.

Yes this is possible, and of course, and especially in the latter stages of the consensus state this could be a soul that has amassed wealth and power through control.

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Individuated A soul in the individuated state would be more and more focused on self improvement or on honing a craft not in relation to any societal convention or need. Here perhaps a soul would be focused on self improvement through learning the craft of being an astrologer, practicing the physical art of yoga, sexual practices, etc.

Spiritual Here the soul would begin to focus on true humility, spiritual service, and of purifying all separating desires (sexual and otherwise) from the self.

Committed relationship as a spiritual path may be a part of that as well.
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As Pluto and the South Node are located in the same sign and house there seems to be a "heavy curriculum" that has been chosen by this soul around Virgoan and eighth house themes.The soul has chosen to respond to evolutionary necesssity by incarnating with the South Node and Pluto being placed in the same sign and house-in effect the identities created in the past (South Node) have placed an extra emphasis on the underlying soul level desires (Pluto) by being in an identical house and sign. This indicates that the soul is continually reworking and reincarnating with these desires or intents in order to relive them until they are brought to fruition.(As I typed the last sentense, I realized how essentially Virgoan this process sounds.)

Haha, yes it might feel that way to that soul. And that can create a total stasis/overwhelm within the soul which can lead to doing nothing at all.

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The strengths that this soul may have developed include knowledge of its own limitations, true humility , strong dedication to the process of refinement, and the willing to undergo necessary changes in order have something to offer his/her community or the world at large as well as the chance to intensely evolve in a particularly Virgoan way.

Yes, and they really may come into this life with a gift: Pluto on the sn. This might have anything to do with tools for empowerment/psychological skills, the ability to work with sexuality in a way that promotes healing/empowerment (sex worker in the individuates states for example).

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The limitations are that the soul may become so focused on one particular evolutionary desire that it is unable to "see the forest for the trees" (again so Virgo)and that the possiblity for resistance is very strong.

Note-I had some technical difficulties this morning as I wrote this and ended up having to redo this exercise as my computer failed to save my previous efforts. I was very frustrated as I am overwhelmed with busyness/responsiblity today. This led to an epiphanous moment in which I was wondering if our souls ever feel this way as they are reliving or refining a praticular theme. The Universe is such a great teacher.  Wink
                                                             In gratitude and love,
                                                                          Mike    

Thank you for your post Mike. Everything you wrote is very accurate and expresses and clear understanding of how Pluto and the south node operate together. You also exemplified the various karmic dynamics that Pluto conj the SN can symbolize.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: fruitbat on May 12, 2014, 07:50 PM
 Thank you Ari for reading and responding to my post and thank you to all those who posted as well.
                                                          Mike


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Katherine on May 13, 2014, 06:56 AM
Hi Ari,
I am still working on my assignment.

God bless,
Katherine


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Wei on May 17, 2014, 03:04 AM
Hi Ari, i am trying to understand pluto/sn correlation as well as how to explain conflict symbol, i feel i don't fully understand them, i want to add evolutionary states after your replying, here is my try. Thanks as always!

Pluto in 2nd house Libra SN in 4th house capricorn

Evolution for Pluto 2nd house Libra soul is generally slow and resisting, the inconjunct symbol between venus's inner/outer side can be experienced as conflict/alternate situation of self reliance/being fixed and dependent on others, how they relate to self is project/being projected in relationship with others. There is desire to withdraw and internalize relationship, relate to oneself in a balanced way, they have been learning how to be independent in equal relationship, develope their heart chakra, provide their talent/resources with others in partnership. They have been exhausting desires for external resources. Femininity is highly valued, when distorted, can be used to manipulate others or materialize female.

In fruition condition, the soul is aware of self value, can hear/compare others needs/different values, being comfortable in all kinds of relationships without losing oneself. They'll attract others who recognize/support their inner value, to gain more resources/fortune through interacting with others. They learnt that resources sustain life/security is simply within, can support others to find their inner resources as well. Bands formed by artists could be a good example.

In reliving/karmic condition, soul could have been living totally alone in many lives on survival level, withdrawn, avoid relationship at all, shut down to survive relationship wounds; they may relate only on physical/sexual level, relate to others for socializing reasons, for fertility and posterity; they may repeat unequal relationship pattern which involves finacial problem. The soul can also have many lives in poverty, thus has deep fear of losing possessions, being greedy/over emphasis on external material (only form relationship with rich people; manipulate other's resources, pure resources exchange even with one's body); they may be lazy, only do enough, never fully develop their potential until life is under threaten.

No matter in what case, souls with this pluto placement have internal fixed identity, needs to move slowly, they work hard to figure a way to relax in the comfortble fancy eternity, they need to figure out why it's necessary to accept different value, to change. When they resist to evolve, deep loss is likely to happen, when their cope mechanism doesn't work anymore, they'll have to change for survival, once they make effort to embrace change, they will experience transforming evolution.


To actualize soul's desire on conscious level in previous lives, the pluto desires have been manifested/exhausted within family/society, their self-image have been shaped by different culture/country/man-made rules, they have been learning how to integrate their emotional needs within society, provide their value/resources for others. The soul created many identities to develop internal sense of security as well as find their position in society. Family issue, karmic relationship with parents, gender switch has been highlighted in pastlife experiences. Their emotional needs may be neglected/distorted/suppressed in family, leads to displaced emotional/projected needs in adult relationship, they can be numbed in relationship, shut down emotion to survive. Their ego may never fully developed for childhood wounds. They may have incarnated in different society/family where their gender (or inner gender) has been judged/conditioned, depression of current gender, distorted anima/animus, they can also be leaders demanding gender equality, develop new gender role/social structure. Pressure of integrating ego with the role they play in family/career. They may carry deep guilt caused nagative self-image, feel worthless, being over identified with material possessions/social position. They are learning to take responsibility for their emotion, nurture the inner child in the way they need. In relationship they project displaced emotional needs on others, need to be taken care of as well as feeling responsible for others emotionally and financially. Their relationship is heavily conditioned/restricted by how the family/society defines relationship. There could be emotional control within family cause crisis in relationship. They may also have unbalanced relationships in career, need other's approval, to be accepted/recognized by society standards/authority, compare/compete with other's resources. Also the soul could have lives in solitude to maintain their ego structure, to relate to self in a peaceful way. Suicide correlates with this arthetype as well. All these external resources are prevent them from knowing their inner value.

Wei

Love


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on May 19, 2014, 01:43 PM
Hi Wei,

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Hi Ari, i am trying to understand pluto/sn correlation as well as how to explain conflict symbol, i feel i don't fully understand them, i want to add evolutionary states after your replying, here is my try. Thanks as always!

Pluto in 2nd house Libra SN in 4th house capricorn

Evolution for Pluto 2nd house Libra soul is generally slow and resisting, the inconjunct symbol between venus's inner/outer side can be experienced as conflict/alternate situation of self reliance/being fixed and dependent on others, how they relate to self is project/being projected in relationship with others. There is desire to withdraw and internalize relationship, relate to oneself in a balanced way, they have been learning how to be independent in equal relationship, develope their heart chakra, provide their talent/resources with others in partnership. They have been exhausting desires for external resources. Femininity is highly valued, when distorted, can be used to manipulate others or materialize female.

With a 2nd house Libra Pluto alone, femininity itself would not be highly valued. Rather, beauty, being attractive to others would be. Attractiveness links to the biological impulse within the 2nd house to procreate. Self esteem here may be linked to being attractive.

In fruition condition, the soul is aware of self value, can hear/compare others needs/different values, being comfortable in all kinds of relationships without losing oneself. They'll attract others who recognize/support their inner value, to gain more resources/fortune through interacting with others. They learnt that resources sustain life/security is simply within, can support others to find their inner resources as well. Bands formed by artists could be a good example.

The idea of "fruitive or relive" applies to the sn, which then of course reflects back to Pluto. What you wrote above sounds more resonant with the sn in Libra in the 2nd.
However Pluto can and often does symbolize where the soul comes into this life already empowered: where they are able to look within and find power within; the capacity to cooperate with evolutionary necessity.

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In reliving/karmic condition, soul could have been living totally alone in many lives on survival level, withdrawn, avoid relationship at all, shut down to survive relationship wounds; they may relate only on physical/sexual level, relate to others for socializing reasons, for fertility and posterity; they may repeat unequal relationship pattern which involves finacial problem. The soul can also have many lives in poverty, thus has deep fear of losing possessions, being greedy/over emphasis on external material (only form relationship with rich people; manipulate other's resources, pure resources exchange even with one's body); they may be lazy, only do enough, never fully develop their potential until life is under threaten.

No matter in what case, souls with this pluto placement have internal fixed identity, needs to move slowly, they work hard to figure a way to relax in the comfortble fancy eternity, they need to figure out why it's necessary to accept different value, to change. When they resist to evolve, deep loss is likely to happen, when their cope mechanism doesn't work anymore, they'll have to change for survival, once they make effort to embrace change, they will experience transforming evolution.

Everything you wrote is generally true for a Pluto in the 2nd in Libra. However when speaking of the identity, we look towards the sn which describes how the soul has related to the evolutionary intent in the past. The sn describes what kind of life was actually created. Without the human identity there is no context for the soul's evolutionary journey (through the human incarnation at least).

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To actualize soul's desire on conscious level in previous lives, the pluto desires have been manifested/exhausted within family/society, their self-image have been shaped by different culture/country/man-made rules, they have been learning how to integrate their emotional needs within society, provide their value/resources for others. The soul created many identities to develop internal sense of security as well as find their position in society. Family issue, karmic relationship with parents, gender switch has been highlighted in pastlife experiences. Their emotional needs may be neglected/distorted/suppressed in family, leads to displaced emotional/projected needs in adult relationship, they can be numbed in relationship, shut down emotion to survive. Their ego may never fully developed for childhood wounds. They may have incarnated in different society/family where their gender (or inner gender) has been judged/conditioned, depression of current gender, distorted anima/animus, they can also be leaders demanding gender equality, develop new gender role/social structure. Pressure of integrating ego with the role they play in family/career. They may carry deep guilt caused nagative self-image, feel worthless, being over identified with material possessions/social position. They are learning to take responsibility for their emotion, nurture the inner child in the way they need. In relationship they project displaced emotional needs on others, need to be taken care of as well as feeling responsible for others emotionally and financially. Their relationship is heavily conditioned/restricted by how the family/society defines relationship. There could be emotional control within family cause crisis in relationship. They may also have unbalanced relationships in career, need other's approval, to be accepted/recognized by society standards/authority, compare/compete with other's resources.

Also the soul could have lives in solitude to maintain their ego structure, to relate to self in a peaceful way. Suicide correlates with this arthetype as well. All these external resources are prevent them from knowing their inner value.

What you described is accurate for the sn in the 4th in Cap, however there wasn't much of a connection to Pluto: the WHY behind that south node. Also the correlation with suicide is not implicit within this signature alone.

To connect the sn to Pluto, think about the kinds of compulsions that Pluto in the 2nd house would have with that kind of identity structure. Would the soul be likely to embrace change easily? Is it possible this soul may get stuck/overly used to (2nd house) a family life where their role is essentially fixed? The soul might be in a domestic situation where they aren't feeling great intimacy and connection, but feel secure because they are "safe" where they are as everything they "need" is available so long as the existing status quo remains the same. They may be very agreeable and conform to whoever they are supposed to be, or on the other end expect to behave a certain way as well. Underlying it all is the core compulsion, separating desire within this soul to self preserve; to survive. The compulsion to survive would manifest through the Cap 4th house identity: all the things you described above.

Thank you for your efforts Wei! Of course feel free to write more or ask more about any of this.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Wei on May 21, 2014, 05:03 AM
Hi Ari, thanks so much for your replying, i wrote this assignment with confusing....thanks for clarifying it, i understand them but still feel very hard to write/explain it by myself!

When i use words"fruitive" i meant what have the soul already learnt, enpowered within, "relive":what they haven't exhausted, project the needs on others/look outward for power. I don't really understand what is the difference? Because of SN conjunct Pluto in my chart, i always feel restricted to fully understand different relationship between Pluto/SN.

With pluto in 2nd house libra, the ego will be very fixed and slow to embrace change, they may create same relationship pattern (which reflects their cold/restricted domestic situation) over and over in adult relationships even without much connection, i wonder are they gonna feel ready/safe to change before individuated state? In consensus state, they may still learn to survive, they will just accept family/society rules, because it's relatively comfortable and safe, provides basic needs for them? They will risk more to rebel against those rules when they entered individuated state, because they will start to do their own thinking about self-value, and feel more comfortable to live by their own rules(even still very fixed)?


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on May 21, 2014, 06:39 PM
Hi Wei, just wanted to let you know I'll be able to respond to your post either tomorrow afternoon my time, or Friday morning.
With love,
am


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on May 22, 2014, 06:43 PM
Hi Wei,

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When i use words"fruitive" i meant what have the soul already learnt, enpowered within, "relive":what they haven't exhausted, project the needs on others/look outward for power. I don't really understand what is the difference? Because of SN conjunct Pluto in my chart, i always feel restricted to fully understand different relationship between Pluto/SN.

I understand. It's not inherently "wrong" to use those words, however as I tune into it, they do not resonate with the core of what Pluto is about.

This is a really good thing to differentiate. It's the very nature of the soul that when one layer is worked through, there is still more to go. Pluto by house sign and aspect holds the inherent implication for most souls that the soul HAS already been evolving; that the soul has made choices in the past in alignment with evolutionary necessity. The exception to this would be souls that have NOT been evolving; souls that have been on a downward evolutionary path of compulsive separating desires and are stuck in that.

However for most souls, over a series of many lives there has been a slow and progressive evolutionary development: generating new desires, exhausting old desires ....

Pluto is a statement of evolutionary intent. It's been going on for a while and will likely continue for some time as well. The south node is the identity that has carried the evolutionary intent. It's the human experience through which the soul evolves. the idea of "relive" and "fruitive" are only played out through the sn because it's the human identity that plays everything out.

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With pluto in 2nd house libra, the ego will be very fixed and slow to embrace change, they may create same relationship pattern (which reflects their cold/restricted domestic situation) over and over in adult relationships even without much connection,

What you wrote is true except Pluto in libra 2nd house doesn't describe the ego.

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i wonder are they gonna feel ready/safe to change before individuated state? In consensus state, they may still learn to survive, they will just accept family/society rules, because it's relatively comfortable and safe, provides basic needs for them? They will risk more to rebel against those rules when they entered individuated state, because they will start to do their own thinking about self-value, and feel more comfortable to live by their own rules(even still very fixed)?

Within the consensus state change can certainly happen. The soul can learn self reliance, security from within, to give of itself in more intimate ways, learn how to set healthy boundaries without it being about the need to do the "right thing" to please others. This can happen by way of the soul being a parent and learning to relate to their family on emotional terms, not just in terms of "rules" and "structure" or compulsively needing "doing the right thing to please others". This will then lead the soul to breaking the shell of self preservation and self protection (2nd house Pluto) by giving more of themselves emotionally.

With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Wei on May 23, 2014, 07:53 PM
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What you wrote is true except Pluto in libra 2nd house doesn't describe the ego.

oh, i will try to be more accurate, i meant identity which created by pluto in libra 2nd house soul will be very fixed and slow to embrace change in their life...

Thanks Ari, i read through your replying several time, it's very clear, i will try to practice more to really tune into it.


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on May 28, 2014, 05:35 PM
Hi everyone! We will move on to our next step, the Pluto polarity point, next week.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Katherine on Jun 02, 2014, 04:12 AM
Pluto & SN in the 1st H
So, generally, what could be said of encountering Pluto in the same house as the SN is that the Soul has constructed in the past egoic structures that similarly personify it’s deepest desires i.e. there is at least a resonance between the conscious and unconscious desires, a resonance of how they are acted out.  While the person may not necessarily have a clear awareness that their conscious desires are congruent with their Soul’s desires, there may be an obtuse but strong sense of knowing what is most important to them.  (This would have been a mechanism for evolutionary acceleration.) Ok, so assuming the doubling up of Pluto and the SN of the moon is a fast track for growth in areas of desire awareness, gassing it so to speak, placement in the 1st house could indicate an amplified instinctual process, a quickening of getting down to and attaining those bottom-line desires.  This intended growth could have been resisted, embraced, or a combination thereof.  So, getting into the Why, Pluto and the SN in the 1st could have been a necessary program to remediate dependencies on various externalities, or abdication of power. Pluto may have been functioning for a long time from the perspective of tapping into its instinctual desires however, being convinced of another's agenda (Sag) becoming overly concerned with material preservation (Taurus) at the cost of one’s innate priorities may have invoked a need to focus on the actual acting out of the subjective desires. Or, to put it another way: to do the right thing and for the right reason, with respect to personal integrity.  Which, merrily, gets into the variables of the signature: lunar nodal axis station, either ‘body’ aspecting the Ascendant and/ or, forming a conjunction to each other.  Any combination of these scenarios would magnify the force of the 1st house signature.  In the instance of Pluto conjunct the SN in the 1st, a resistance to acting out evolutionary requirements would prompt re-live scenarios where there are lessons requiring absolute resolution of being  true to oneself. The outer form changes but, the test is always is this what I want? Is this my desire? It’s like innate applied kinesiology: muscle testing 101, basically. On the fruition side, there is a need to disseminate the resources accumulated over time through personal experience. There could be layers of karma around having taken things by force, interrupting, causing crisis to, or otherwise superseding the needs of others. This necessary check might mean various ways of leading by example, e.g. being transparent about how one can assert one’s power and take hold of the things they need.
If neither are in aspect i.e. the Pluto polarity point and north node are in effect, this would place more of an emphasis on stretching beyond the known and into further practice of individuating, through the lens of Libra. The proverbial oxygen mask being secured over one’s own face and then being able to turn to other passengers.

Living on the road my friend
Was gonna keep you free and clean
Now you wear your skin like iron
Your breath’s as hard as kerosene

“Poncho and Lefty”
Townes Van Zandt

Consensus: At this stage, the person may insist that they are a power of one- not seeing all the ways the prevailing culture, politics, economics, etc. mold their thinking. Choices might be really focused on the external and material methods of autonomy: ‘live free or die’ style, possibly extremist/ survivalist. 2nd: Libertarian, “user pays” tonality, 3rd: Fascists, me and mine…now yours is mine.
Individuated: extremely iconoclastic, punk DIY ethos, experimenting with the most radical anti-establishment ways and lifestyles, 2nd: philosophy of solipsism, total distancing from the collective, 3rd: maybe not hands on but possibly tolerant of media coverage via interviews, etc, on how and why they maintain their life independent from the status quo, emerging consciousness that they can provide a new template of how to live fully.
Spirituated: perhaps a minimalist/zen style life where there is a conscious awareness of what they consume, why do they need that, what are their truest desires, a tempering of excess to directly access their passion for Source 2nd: detour through the ego to access source, messages like 'I have an instinctual awareness ("hits") of what you/others need to actualize your spirituality, and you need personal access to me to know how to do this, only if I get what I want from you, i.e. direct access in exact ways I want and when I want.' 3rd: the internal fire burns clean and strong, total focus on directly experiencing God/des, all that is unneeded is burned away. This heart flame is arresting/ undeniable to those who witness it. The lighthouse home.



Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Katherine on Jun 02, 2014, 10:58 AM
Hi Ari,
I thought of a 'fun option' or nuance for your facilitation of this thread and your growth in teaching, as I recall your saying how much teaching serves your own knowledge and evolutionary growth. And that is: when you see holes in what we post, maybe framing a question back for us to think about and arrive at for ourselves? Not implying tons of back and forth--that could go on forever. And I don't mean cryptic riddles, that's frustrating. But...food for thought? If and when it could be helpful.
This is totally an idea and not to be taken as criticism of something that is 'missing' here. To be clear, I love your feedback style, it is as generous as it is fitting. Because sometimes one just needs to be told 'it's like this.' Done.
I just know that you really sit with the particulars and it has very much served your understanding of EA. There's something. What is your process when you are stuck? When you can't get a sense of a dynamic, and also when you can't see how something might play out?

Thank you Ari! This thread is a boon.
God bless,
Katherine


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jun 02, 2014, 02:42 PM
Hi Katherine,

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Pluto & SN in the 1st H
So, generally, what could be said of encountering Pluto in the same house as the SN is that the Soul has constructed in the past egoic structures that similarly personify it’s deepest desires i.e. there is at least a resonance between the conscious and unconscious desires, a resonance of how they are acted out. 

While the person may not necessarily have a clear awareness that their conscious desires are congruent with their Soul’s desires, there may be an obtuse but strong sense of knowing what is most important to them.  (This would have been a mechanism for evolutionary acceleration.) Ok, so assuming the doubling up of Pluto and the SN of the moon is a fast track for growth in areas of desire awareness, gassing it so to speak, placement in the 1st house could indicate an amplified instinctual process, a quickening of getting down to and attaining those bottom-line desires.  This intended growth could have been resisted, embraced, or a combination thereof. 

So, getting into the Why, Pluto and the SN in the 1st could have been a necessary program to remediate dependencies on various externalities, or abdication of power. Pluto may have been functioning for a long time from the perspective of tapping into its instinctual desires however, being convinced of another's agenda (Sag) becoming overly concerned with material preservation (Taurus) at the cost of one’s innate priorities may have invoked a need to focus on the actual acting out of the subjective desires. Or, to put it another way: to do the right thing and for the right reason, with respect to personal integrity.  Which, merrily, gets into the variables of the signature: lunar nodal axis station, either ‘body’ aspecting the Ascendant and/ or, forming a conjunction to each other.  Any combination of these scenarios would magnify the force of the 1st house signature. 

In the instance of Pluto conjunct the SN in the 1st, a resistance to acting out evolutionary requirements would prompt re-live scenarios where there are lessons requiring absolute resolution of being  true to oneself. The outer form changes but, the test is always is this what I want? Is this my desire? It’s like innate applied kinesiology: muscle testing 101, basically. On the fruition side, there is a need to disseminate the resources accumulated over time through personal experience. There could be layers of karma around having taken things by force, interrupting, causing crisis to, or otherwise superseding the needs of others. This necessary check might mean various ways of leading by example, e.g. being transparent about how one can assert one’s power and take hold of the things they need.

Excellent.

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If neither are in aspect i.e. the Pluto polarity point and north node are in effect,

The polarity point and north node would be in effect either no matter what.

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this would place more of an emphasis on stretching beyond the known and into further practice of individuating, through the lens of Libra. The proverbial oxygen mask being secured over one’s own face and then being able to turn to other passengers.

Katherine, this is so well said. Everything you wrote is accurate to these signatures. Here's a question for you if you are called to go further in this way: since Pluto conjunct the sn will either imply total resistance to evolutionary necessity or total cooperation (or something in between) what are some real life contexts that Pluto on the sn in the 1st may represent? Do you know of any charts with this signature that either represents a nearly total relive (reflecting total resistance) or a nearly total fruitive condition? One that comes to mind off hand is the Dalai Lama.
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Living on the road my friend
Was gonna keep you free and clean
Now you wear your skin like iron
Your breath’s as hard as kerosene
“Poncho and Lefty”
Townes Van Zandt

Consensus: At this stage, the person may insist that they are a power of one- not seeing all the ways the prevailing culture, politics, economics, etc. mold their thinking. Choices might be really focused on the external and material methods of autonomy: ‘live free or die’ style, possibly extremist/ survivalist. 2nd: Libertarian, “user pays” tonality, 3rd: Fascists, me and mine…now yours is mine.

Individuated: extremely iconoclastic, punk DIY ethos, experimenting with the most radical anti-establishment ways and lifestyles, 2nd: philosophy of solipsism, total distancing from the collective, 3rd: maybe not hands on but possibly tolerant of media coverage via interviews, etc, on how and why they maintain their life independent from the status quo, emerging consciousness that they can provide a new template of how to live fully.

Spirituated: perhaps a minimalist/zen style life where there is a conscious awareness of what they consume, why do they need that, what are their truest desires, a tempering of excess to directly access their passion for Source 2nd: detour through the ego to access source, messages like 'I have an instinctual awareness ("hits") of what you/others need to actualize your spirituality, and you need personal access to me to know how to do this, only if I get what I want from you, i.e. direct access in exact ways I want and when I want.' 3rd: the internal fire burns clean and strong, total focus on directly experiencing God/des, all that is unneeded is burned away. This heart flame is arresting/ undeniable to those who witness it. The lighthouse home.

In your words, especially in describing the spiritual state there is a slight bent towards the 2nd house: survival, consumption, the archetype of "need", zen style life. You expressed the 3rd stage very well.

One thing that you didn't touch upon too much is the archetype of freedom. There core desire of the soul is the NEED for freedom. Freedom to actualize one's own desires and not be limited by anyone or anything. This of course creates its own self limitation and entrapment - which is the nature of all separating desires.

What would a relive condition feel like in any evolutionary stage (feel free to pick one), when there is a deep compulsion for freedom? Even for a soul where it's not a total relive situation - what is at the heart of the soul's desire nature that brings it into the current life? Feel free to engage this question if/however you want to.

With love
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jun 02, 2014, 03:06 PM
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Hi Ari,
I thought of a 'fun option' or nuance for your facilitation of this thread and your growth in teaching, as I recall your saying how much teaching serves your own knowledge and evolutionary growth. And that is: when you see holes in what we post, maybe framing a question back for us to think about and arrive at for ourselves? Not implying tons of back and forth--that could go on forever. And I don't mean cryptic riddles, that's frustrating. But...food for thought? If and when it could be helpful.

This is totally an idea and not to be taken as criticism of something that is 'missing' here. To be clear, I love your feedback style, it is as generous as it is fitting. Because sometimes one just needs to be told 'it's like this.' Done.

katherine, that is such wonderful advice. I have applied it above. Thank you so much for your courage, honesty and compassion. This is exactly what I needed to hear as per my own soul growth.

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I just know that you really sit with the particulars and it has very much served your understanding of EA. There's something. What is your process when you are stuck? When you can't get a sense of a dynamic, and also when you can't see how something might play out?

If it's for a reading that I'm going to give to someone I'm learning to just let go of needing to figure it out; to drop the entire idea that the value of my service to another is because I can interpret their chart well. I do the best I can with as much preparation/meditation I put into the chart and my ongoing practice is to remember to only speak what I truly know, not what I wish I knew or believe that I have the potential to know.

I also remind myself that its my genuine love for the individual, attention, true listening and intention to be a vehicle for God that is the true service. Whenever I let go, I almost always end up "figuring out" what I couldn't previously understand anyway.

My biggest advice to everyone here, and all students I work with is to read charts for real live people and to make that the primary source of learning. And to always be content with what you can do; trusting that through consistent exposure, especially if love is present, learning just happens by itself.

With love,
Ari moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jun 02, 2014, 05:57 PM
Hello Mike, Wei, Rita, Emily, Katherine and anyone else who wishes to join,

We now move on to our next step: the north node and the Pluto polarity point!

The self image, the ego is always changing. Who I have known myself to be 10 years ago is not who I know myself to be now. The self image that we have always reflects the inner reality of the soul.

If my south node is in Sag and I am totally identified with the role of "teacher", I think I have all the answers and tend to speak "above" most people - that reflects an underlying soul reality. Why would I have such an ego structure? We look to Pluto to understand the "why" behind the south node.

Lets create a specific example. If my Pluto is in Scorpio in the 5th house and I have the sn of the Moon in Sag in the 8th, I may have an underlying desire to be seen and recognized and will engage my Sag sn as a vehicle to get that. I may create intense arguments /philosophical discusses in order to prove my point. I may compulsively need others to follow me and treat me/perceive me as a powerful teacher etc.

The north node would of course imply mental self reliance and stability wherein I am not needing to link my power to the external sources, but rather can just be content with my own thoughts without the need to prove myself or get something from others.

Those same signatures can also symbolize a soul that constantly gives its power away to other teacher type people so as to osmose with their power. This might cyclically create a situation wherein the soul feels abused, taken advantage of, misunderstood, and on a fundamental level not seen and recognized for who they really are. In this case the north node in gemini in the 2nd would be about going inside and thinking independent of any teacher or dogma.

In the examples above, the polarity point in the 11th would symbolize being oneself, learning detachment, witnessing as an observer. If one is steeped in the addictive world of Pluto in the 5th house as expressed through the sn in Sag in the 8th it might be impossible to be truly "detached". However this is where choice comes in. We can perpetuate old patterns of resistance, or choose to evolve. The choice to evolve, as a general EA rule, reflects in the north node which activates the Pluto polarity point.

The north node will always activate the pluto polarity point. The Pluto polarity point is the evolutionary intention of the current life.

So the north node in Gemini in the 2nd activates the Pluto polarity point in Taurus in the 11th house. Through mental self reliance the soul can just be who they are: they can stand alone in community and be content with who they are. This defacto resolves any unresolved karma with the south node as well. Then the soul can be a teacher, or be with teachers and not experience all the above mentioned power struggles because it is not needing to be seen and recognized (Pluto in the 5th). This then leads to a embodying a power that is from the soul itself. Activating the polarity point in the 11th allows the soul to just shine and express their purpose without the need to manipulate or control.

The Polarity point is something that can be focused on for the entire life. We don't "achieve" the polarity point because the soul is always working through layer after layer of desire. This is true until there are no longer any separating desires to exhaust.

So what I'd like everyone to do now is to work with any chart signature you'd like, it can be the same one's you've worked with before, and to to examine the evolutionary intention of the current life through the symbols of the north node and the Pluto polarity point.

And again, here is the excerpt from Green's talk on the planetary method of chart interpretation:

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What I’d like to do is try to make this as experiential for you this morning as possible, and the way I would like to do that is for all of you to keep your own particular birth chart in your head now as we go through this specific method so you can apply it immediately to your own case.

      This particular method is very sequential; it is very Virgo like, ABC in nature, leading to a very deductive and Virgo-like analysis. In total, you will then find that once you employ this particular methodology--ABC--this will lead to a Pisces kind of awareness, meaning inductive, wherein you can see the whole first and then immediately grasp all the parts.  So it is like going from Virgo to Pisces. Now as we go through this system, when you have questions, please ask me when you have the question, because the intention is to keep this as clear as possible as we are moving through it.

      So the very first way we want to start the system is, of course, with Pluto. This is number one on your list; meaning as we go through this it is going to be like an outline. So we want to start with Pluto. We can ask a Pluto question: Why? And what we have here from a Plutonian point of view, of course, is the direct connection to the Soul, the Soul itself. Now, of course, if we understand this, the Soul is going to create the overall personality structure in any given life that is uniquely orientated to phenomenal reality in such a way that that unique orientation experiences the phenomenal reality in a way that is consistent with the evolutionary intentions and karmic requirement that the Soul has in any given life.

      So we want to locate the natal position of Pluto first by house and sign. What is this going to be demonstrating? We have to remember that the nature of the Soul linked with time and space reality is simultaneously linked with the principle that we call evolution. Evolution is a dynamic in time and space reality that is beyond debate. The simplest way to know evolution: Is it not true that everybody on this planet, everyone in this room, inwardly always has an inner feeling of being in a continuous state of becoming? Who does not have such a feeling? So you can see right away just through normal life experience that this is a principle, a truth if you will, that applies to all people everywhere as long as we are living in time-space reality.

      Now, if we linked evolution to the principle of the Soul, we ask a logical question: What is, in fact, the inner mechanism or dynamic within the Soul that causes evolution? The answer is straightforward, simple, and basic as most natural truths are. The answer is, in fact, the very same answer that came out of the enlightenment of the famous Buddha under the famous Bodhi tree, when he pondered the nature of sorrow and pain, misery and the like. What was actually promoted in Buddhism terms as Nirvana was based on the awareness within him called desire.

      In each Soul there are two competing and antithetical desires that create evolution. One desire is a separating desire, meaning to separate away from what we can call God. And these sorts of desires are many, myriad, manifesting in typical ways as the desire for the new lover, the new possession, the new career ambition, whatever.  All Souls have these desires, and simultaneous with the desire and coequal to it is the desire to return to that which has created the Soul in the first place.  So, in effect, the essence of the evolution of the Soul is simply based on the progressive elimination (Pluto) of all separating desires to the exclusion of only one desire which can remain, which is to unite with the source of the Soul itself.

      This is a very simple natural truth that operates independent of what we call astrology and can be validated by every single one of us in this room. In fact, it can be validated by everybody on earth.  The simplest way to know it, again: Is not true that we can have whatever separating desire, oh we want this new thing over here, this, that or whatever, and we may have the ability to obtain that which we are desiring, and, of course, we have a momentary sense of satisfaction when we get it. But once we get it, what soon replaces the sense of satisfaction is, in effect, the sense of dissatisfaction, the sense of something more. It is exactly the sense of dissatisfaction that is mirroring and echoing this ultimate desire to return and to reunite with the source of all things. Who of you has not known this to be your own experience? You see, it is universal.

       So the evolution of the Soul is simply based on the progressive elimination of all separating desires. The duality of these antithetical desires is intrinsic within the Soul and is what the psychologists call the basis of free choice.

      Now, when we look at the nature of the natal position of Pluto, we are looking at two simultaneous phenomena, which is why we are starting with this number A on our Virgo list.  Number one, it will describe very succinctly the types of desires that the soul has had prior to the current life, relative to its evolutionary necessities, its evolutionary intentions.  That does not mean, by the way, that that is going to correlate or reflect all the prior lives that the Soul has had. The point is that the soul in any given life will only draw upon specific prior life times that have a direct connection to or bearing on the current life evolutionary intentions. The Sanskrit archetype for that is called Prarabdha Karma.

      So, what the natal position of Pluto is demonstrating is the specific prior lifetimes and orientations that have direct bearing on the current lifetime. A simple example: What if we are dealing with a ninth house Pluto individual?  We can make a very simple Piscean/ Virgo deduction that this would have been a Soul who, prior to the current life, one way or another, was desiring to understand its individual connection to the cosmological reality we call the universe, meaning natural desires to understand philosophy and cosmology and metaphysics, religion (even if that's atheism), anything that is a form of philosophy connected to the cosmos. Are we clear? Good.

      And now what would that mean coming into the current life? And this is one of the secrets about Pluto that most people don't realize, i.e. when you read it in your happy books that it somehow connects to compulsion, obsession, defensiveness, resistance to change and all these things, and these things are accurate, but they never tell you why, and it is because at this point Pluto is going to correlate with the deepest sources of your unconscious sense of security. Keeping in mind that security is a function of self-consistency. Self-consistency is a function of the past, meaning what has come before. Again, how many of you would totally and wholly embrace the experience of absolute insecurity? No takers? Hmm? Ever wonder why we have compulsion, obsession? That's what psychologists call repetitive compulsion. 

      So by looking at the natal position of Pluto (house and sign), beyond the metaphysical point of view, you are describing in anybody’s life the sources that correlate with the deepest sense of unconscious security in the person. And in coming into the current life, the person instinctually gravitates to those sources in order to maintain a sense of self-consistency equaling security. Now clearly, if the soul stayed right there, there would, in fact, be no evolution. So this becomes a first point to examine. The next point is to determine how it is that soul is going to grow or evolve in the current life. And the answer very happily is that the next step (evolution) is determined--because we have to remember that we are living in a universe, time/space, that of itself is defined by the law of polarity--by the opposite house and sign of the natal position of Pluto.

      So, following our example of the ninth house, it is, of course, naturally in opposition to the third house. Now, one of the natural problems in the ninth house/Sagittarius/Jupiter archetype is that it correlates, in essence, with the nature of phenomenal reality in total. And it is the ninth house in any chart--Jupiter/Sagittarius, archetypically natural law-- that creates the awareness in the human organism, in each person, that we are in fact connected to something much larger than just the earth itself. It creates the awareness that we are connected to a solar system, universes, and galaxies. And this sort of natural awareness gives rise to the philosophical questions that all human beings ask: What does it all mean? How are we connected to this thing?

      One of the problems of the ninth house is that it will typically orientate to a portion of the overall truth, and then consider that particular portion to be the total truth, which is why we call it the Billy Graham Archetype, meaning the need to convince and convert other people to your particular point of view. Why? In order to feel secure. This is why in this case we are going to have a have a third house polarity.

       Most of us have already realized in our happy books that Gemini correlates with diversity, yes?  Most of us realized,--particularly for those that find yourself to be Gemini--that Gemini is a happy little sign because you put it in a bookstore, for example, and it is going to go around and do what? It is going to read two pages of this and one page of that, and maybe one right over here, but it is thinking that it is reading everything. And this means that it is trying to understand as much as possible relative to the whole phenomenon called creation. So when you have this polarity point to the ninth house Pluto, you can see the obvious evolutionary intention. The intention of the Soul is to evolve beyond the particular portion—part--of the truth that it has already realized. You understand the point? 

      So the Soul is like a computer, and it has its own program and in a typically Plutonian fashion, then, the Soul will actually literally program necessary philosophical confrontations (Pluto), meaning it will attract to itself other individuals that are more philosophically or cosmologically evolved than itself. These people will have the effect of penetrating (Pluto) to the weak link in this person’s existing philosophical structure. And by identifying the weak link, well, guess what? That whole structure collapses. And this is induces the Gemini evolutionary intention. Understand the point? I mean we could go on and on, but we only have an hour and a half. So, on our Virgo list we start with Pluto, natal position, polarity point. Any questions on this aspect of it? So, we are clear on this particular point?

      Next step--number B on your Virgo list. We want to, of course, examine the nature of the south node of the moon. Now, why do we want to examine this point? The reason is that the south node of the moon will specifically correlate to the types of egocentric structures that the soul has necessarily created in order to consciously actualize the evolutionary desires or intentions, which have, in fact, preceded the current life.

      That is to say that the moon, the south node of the moon specifically, correlates to what we call the ego. Now take this very seriously because, of course, I realize in astrology land that astrologers can assign the idea or the archetype of the ego to whatever planetary symbolism.  Over the last 10-20 years it has been given to Saturn, Sun or whatever. But in reality in the astrology we do, the ego is specific to the moon. The way you can prove this through natural law is very straightforward. As an example we can understand that the ego is that which correlates with what we can psychologically call a self-image.

      Now, for example, if we make an ego connection to the Sun and we look into the nature of our solar system, of course, the Sun appears to be relatively fixed, does it not? Now, do you feel throughout your life that your own inner self-image has been fixed and constant?  When we compare this to examining the moon and its various phases, you can see the direct link to your own self-image and its evolution. Understand the point?

      So, in effect, the Soul must create a necessary ego to create a self-image of the soul itself. So the south node is the conscious component that the soul generates or creates to actualize the desires that are intrinsic to the soul itself. As a simple example, let’s still use our Ninth House Pluto as our example, remembering that the ninth house Pluto is how I want to understand myself in the cosmos, etc. Now when we put the south Node in the seventh house, what are we looking at? We Are looking at a soul who prior to the current life, over a series of recent prior life times, has created egocentric structures that have been actualized through a seventh house archetype. What does it mean?  It's going to mean that the soul has created a series of prior life egos that have been structured in such a way as to initiate a diversity of relationships, (seventh house), who looked like what? Ninth house teacher types. And by initiating this kind of relationships with teacher types, it has been collecting for itself, or attracting to itself, the kind of information that it has desired relative to the ninth house Pluto. You see the link?

      Now, to show you why cookbook astrology is B.S.--I mean wrong--compare this to a ninth house Pluto but put the south node in the first house. You are going to still have the same complex of desires, but what types of personality structure, or egocentric structure has the Soul used that is very different from the seventh house? In the first case you have dependency on an external teacher, but when you put the south node in the first house, in essence, what you now have is a soul who has the same desire structure, but now with this south node in the first house you have an individual who has learned to ask and answer its own questions. You see why cookbook astrology is so wrong?

So in either case you still have a pre-existing orientation to reality. When that ninth house Pluto, south node in the seventh person comes into life she/he will gravitate, as they have prior to the current life, in exactly that way. This is why there is going to be a thing called the north node.  You see the point?  So in this ninth house Pluto/seventh house south node, we have a polarity point in the third house, and we have a north node in the first. So in essence, the north node in this case, the conscious actualization, makes that third house polarity occur, understand my point? 
 
      What that would actually mean in this life as the person begin to emotionally mature (moon) in the current life, is that it progressively would begin to rebel against external teachers, their message and their voices. Because the intention (north node/first house) is that the person is meant to learn to ask and answer its own questions. This is going to create necessary intellectual, philosophical confrontation with external teacher types. You see? 

      In the second case, the person has been living in happy splendor, all within themselves in a form of narcissism (south node/first house).  You see my point? So now why are we seeing the north node in the seventh house? They must learn to open up and share themselves with other people and in so doing, in opening up to other people, they are going to attract (third house polarity), you see how it works. You apply this to all charts. You start just this way, A, B on your happy list. Questions? So we have got this down now?

      The next step in our happy methodology is then to go to the Sun, by the house and sign of the Sun and the aspects it is making. Why? Because the Sun is going to correlate specifically to how we are integrating and giving purpose and meaning to our current life experience. So in essence we are describing an evolutionary transition in our A B list, an evolutionary transition from past to the current life.  The Sun is now going to show you how that is integrated and given purpose and meaning in the context of the current life. How the Sun in Sagittarius integrates life experience, gives purpose and meaning, is going to be very different from how a Virgo Sun integrates life experience and gives purpose and meaning, you understand my point? 

      So once you get used to these methods you ultimately get to play the role of an evolutionary detective, why this Sun sign? You understand my point? So that is why our next step is to move right to the Sun.  And again I want you to be able to apply this experientially to your own chart, so try to work with that as we move through it so you can see the reality of what we are talking about. So just take a moment right now and think about your own natal Pluto, polarity point, north and south node and your Sun sign. Take a moment, don't ask a question, just take a moment!

Now, how many are completely stumped? Maybe in a moment it will become more clear for you.

Audience: How about if your Pluto is right on the cusp?

Jeffrey: On the cusp?

Audience: Yeah.

Jeffrey: What you have when Pluto is on the cusp is the archetype of initiation, but if you have it just before the cusp of moving into the next house, you have the archetype evolutionarily of culmination--an entire series of prior lives all culminating in the context of the current life.
Audience: But you would still interpret it in terms of the house that it is in?

Jeffrey: Yeah. And see then what you have is as it progressively culminates—when Pluto is evolving into the next house—you still determine the polarity point, which allows for that evolutionary shift. This can by the way, psychologically create frustration, because the Soul already can feel where it is trying to go, but it also has to culminate, so it has this push-- pull, yeah.

Audience: What if Pluto is conjunct the nodes—actually, let’s take the north node.

Jeffrey: That's a very unique evolutionary signature.  When you find Pluto conjunct the north node it means in all cases, that that soul has been working in that area of evolutionary development prior to the current life and is meant to completely focus on that area in the context of the current life.  There is no polarity.

Audience: If Pluto and the north node are in the same house but not conjunct, is that the same meaning or not?

Jeffrey: First, you want to determine if the node is balsamic or new phase relative to Pluto, which creates its own archetypical meaning.  And then there used to be an old phrase in astrology (I am going to date myself now) but it used to be called in mundo, meaning conjunct by sign. But unless you have technically an absolute conjunction, then you have a different kind of meaning depending on the phasal relationship between Pluto and the node itself.


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: rita on Jun 04, 2014, 12:53 PM
,Hi Ari and group


  Pluto´s polarity / NN seventh house in Aquarius

For evolution to proceed this individual will find it self periodically with an identity crisis which becomes deeper as the individual refuses to take action towards its evolutionary intent by remaining isolated from relationships for fear of loss of freedom that all relationships curtail.
These crisis occur periodically creating a loss of perspective and anger, as the individual confronts itself with the incapacity to answer its own questions about "who it is and what it is" in relationship to others.
 
This non growth will over power the individual and will push it out of its loner habit comfort zone into a new relationship, as the evolutionary intent is to evolve and go beyond what it already is, as the individual realizes that it needs others to achieve this goal. So the individual will be instinctually attracted to others that have the same unconscious Soul vibrational resonance, who it believes that by inter-relating with them will help it answer who it is and what it is in relationship to others.
 
This individual could have a deep attraction and desire finding itself in a sexual relationship in which the partner is the individuated factor,giving the individual new perspectives and points of view. The relationship will continue until it feels that it has osmosed for itself the different / original and individualistic beliefs, habits, which had originally attracted it to that partner. The same way this individual is instinctively / sexually attracted to another, or it may also be instinctually repelled by the other, or it could be repelled /attracted by the same person.
This happens as the individual may feel threatened by the beliefs of the other and the impact it has on the reality that it lives by. This causes the individual to feel alienated from its peers, family and friends as it adopts for itself these new beliefs.
The individual could show off its creative ability to its partner and the partner could help the individual share and objectify its creativity, so as to link its special purpose to the well being of society, this way teaching the individual to be less subjective. The individual can become very angry if the others do not acknowledge its specialness, or the specialness the individual  believes it deserves, this will happen to force the individual to objectify and be less self focussed.
This individual would seek relationships with others who have more power than itself as it views power as an important factor for success and glory.
It could be attracted very instinctively to another and it will wonder and desire to know and understand what is it that attracted it so strongly to that other.
Some attractions will be sexual others not so, all relationships will be of different duration as its main purpose is to discover who it is or what it is in relation to others. It can draw onto itself partners that have a shocking effect on the individuals beliefs as they resonate so differently to its own or, it could also be that the advice the other gives the individual is so distinct from their own views causing in the individual a shock and trauma effect.
All these are necessary for the individual to be less self centered and realize that there is a world beyond itself.
It could seek relationships with people who can raise it to some power beyond what it already is or the partner could be some trampoline for the individual to achieve its recognition/power that it believes it deserves. The means that the individual used to get what it wanted may not always be the right ones, giving the excuse that others do it so it is ok to do it also.
 
There is another possibility with this placement, which is that the individual will follow some of its attractions totally open heartedly when it feels the others intentions are pure/good. Other times it could either reject / accept the information that another gives it, depending of the others motives, which means that if the individual felt the others motives where sincere and pure then it would consider them. If the motives where not felt as sincere or pure then the individual would reject them totally.
As a result of the many confrontations this individual will have with its partners, when it does not feel that its needs are being met or because its partners does not feel that their needs are met, there is a lack of equality and balance in the relationship. As these confrontations reoccur the individual learns equality of giving , of listening and to give to the other before it gives to itself. This makes the individual aware of the changes in the others likes and dislikes and it also understands its own /  the others intentions and motivations.
This individual could be hypnotically attracted to an anarchist in the street that resonates with some of  the individuals own beliefs helping the person to loose its fear of judgement by society or family, helping it to individuate and break free from consensus society values .
 As a result of the individual becoming less self centered, it gives the individual all the freedom to explore and understand itself through the interrelationship it has with others as itself would give the same freedom to its partner and the relationship could be balanced out. Having time for oneself and equal time for others that is Pluto´s bottom line which is to learn to be in a relationship on equal basis for everything.

 Consensus
This individual would probably seek and project onto the partners its desire to discover itself through the relationship  it forms because the Leo archetype tends to be very self focussed and narcissistic, especially in the consensus stages. This individual with some money could be an elitist or would choose partners with a certain status, showy cars and would have a traditional home, meaning it would feel well integrated within the system with all its flaws. It would probably be attracted to things that are flashy that draw attention upon itself. It would look for partners that would have fixed opinions about society, go to mass and  value others for what they have. Possibly these people would use all types of means to get what they desire or aspire. These people can be very rooted to their own ways. Not liking and fighting away any body  who tries to question their beliefs or traditions. There is a tendency to believe that material goods and all separating desires can bring them fame, success and happiness.

Individuated
This individual would probably seek partners who can help it jump further out of the box, having itself already started to see that relationships do not have to be what consensus dictates. In this stage the individual will be more focussed in learning with the other on a more balanced and equal way. Questioning itself it realizes that it needs anthers of like mind to have some answers to the many new questions that need to be answered. New relationships formed will we useful for the individual as it learns to listen to what are the needs of the others through listening to the other. The individual will learn more about itself through compare and contrast with others. The beginning of some sort of understanding that one is not the creator of our special gift begins to form in the individual, this said , the individual starts to understand how vast and infinite the universe is and how small it self is.The individual has already realized that material goods, power and money do not bring happiness and is much more interested to put a back pack on its back and take off into the world with no tomorrow, discovering itself through listening to others ideas and beliefs as they come along its way.

Spiritual
 In the beginning stage the individual has understood by the call it feels coming from its Soul that it has to be at the service of a higher cause. As a result, this humbles its Soul and the importance it gave itself is lost through giving of itself to others instead of wanting all the focus for itself. Eventually it understands that its talents or self creativity are all gifts from God/ Source, and that it has to share the knowledge with  humanity for the better of others and serving a greater cause.  
The success, recognition by society, power and achievements have a totally different meaning for the individual, shying away from any glorification for its own talents for his centre is no longer outside of itself and is now turned towards the returning desire of the Soul to go home.

Thank you for the opportunity
rita

 















Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jun 06, 2014, 02:09 PM
Hi Rita, thank you for your post! Just wanted to let you know I'll be responding to your post either later today or tomorrow.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jun 07, 2014, 07:51 PM
Hi Rita,

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Pluto´s polarity / NN seventh house in Aquarius

For evolution to proceed this individual will find it self periodically with an identity crisis which becomes deeper as the individual refuses to take action towards its evolutionary intent by remaining isolated from relationships for fear of loss of freedom that all relationships curtail.
These crisis occur periodically creating a loss of perspective and anger, as the individual confronts itself with the incapacity to answer its own questions about "who it is and what it is" in relationship to others.
 
This non growth will over power the individual and will push it out of its loner habit comfort zone into a new relationship, as the evolutionary intent is to evolve and go beyond what it already is, as the individual realizes that it needs others to achieve this goal. So the individual will be instinctually attracted to others that have the same unconscious Soul vibrational resonance, who it believes that by inter-relating with them will help it answer who it is and what it is in relationship to others.

This is so beautifully articulated.
 
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This individual could have a deep attraction and desire finding itself in a sexual relationship in which the partner is the individuated factor,giving the individual new perspectives and points of view. The relationship will continue until it feels that it has osmosed for itself the different / original and individualistic beliefs, habits, which had originally attracted it to that partner. The same way this individual is instinctively / sexually attracted to another, or it may also be instinctually repelled by the other, or it could be repelled /attracted by the same person.

To make sure you are tuning into the bottom line of this signature I have a focusing question to ask you: What is the core reason why this soul with the sn and Pluto in Leo in the 1st would experience instinctual repulsion or attraction to another? What would this soul learn from the north node and polarity point?
 
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This happens as the individual may feel threatened by the beliefs of the other and the impact it has on the reality that it lives by. This causes the individual to feel alienated from its peers, family and friends as it adopts for itself these new beliefs.

"Beliefs" is not relevant to this archetype. Where do you get the idea of alienation from peers, family and friends? I'm not saying that is not a possibility - though family of course is 4th house.

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The individual could show off its creative ability to its partner and the partner could help the individual share and objectify its creativity, so as to link its special purpose to the well being of society, this way teaching the individual to be less subjective. The individual can become very angry if the others do not acknowledge its specialness, or the specialness the individual  believes it deserves, this will happen to force the individual to objectify and be less self focussed.

Excellent.

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This individual would seek relationships with others who have more power than itself as it views power as an important factor for success and glory.


Again, what astrological signatures do you base that on?

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It could be attracted very instinctively to another and it will wonder and desire to know and understand what is it that attracted it so strongly to that other.

What is that based on?
 
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Some attractions will be sexual others not so, all relationships will be of different duration as its main purpose is to discover who it is or what it is in relation to others. It can draw onto itself partners that have a shocking effect on the individuals beliefs as they resonate so differently to its own or, it could also be that the advice the other gives the individual is so distinct from their own views causing in the individual a shock and trauma effect.
All these are necessary for the individual to be less self centered and realize that there is a world beyond itself.

It could seek relationships with people who can raise it to some power beyond what it already is or the partner could be some trampoline for the individual to achieve its recognition/power that it believes it deserves. The means that the individual used to get what it wanted may not always be the right ones, giving the excuse that others do it so it is ok to do it also.

What is the astrological basis for all of that?
 
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There is another possibility with this placement, which is that the individual will follow some of its attractions totally open heartedly when it feels the others intentions are pure/good. Other times it could either reject / accept the information that another gives it, depending of the others motives, which means that if the individual felt the others motives where sincere and pure then it would consider them. If the motives where not felt as sincere or pure then the individual would reject them totally.


What is your basis for this line of thinking?

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As a result of the many confrontations this individual will have with its partners, when it does not feel that its needs are being met or because its partners does not feel that their needs are met, there is a lack of equality and balance in the relationship. As these confrontations reoccur the individual learns equality of giving , of listening and to give to the other before it gives to itself. This makes the individual aware of the changes in the others likes and dislikes and it also understands its own /  the others intentions and motivations.
This individual could be hypnotically attracted to an anarchist in the street that resonates with some of  the individuals own beliefs helping the person to loose its fear of judgement by society or family, helping it to individuate and break free from consensus society values .

That is possible and also depends entirely on EA state of course. Judgement would be specific to the Capricorn archetype. Alienation from family is not necessarily implied in these signatures. Again, what is the astrological basis for your interpretation?

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As a result of the individual becoming less self centered, it gives the individual all the freedom to explore and understand itself through the interrelationship it has with others as itself would give the same freedom to its partner and the relationship could be balanced out. Having time for oneself and equal time for others that is Pluto´s bottom line which is to learn to be in a relationship on equal basis for everything.

The bottom line is not having time for oneself and equal time for others. With the polarity point and the nn in Aquarius in the 7th the bottom line is to learn sharing, inclusion, listening, and what is good for the group first and above personal egocentric impulses. How does doing so create soul evolution relative to the existing resistance (sn, Pluto) within the soul?

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Consensus
This individual would probably seek and project onto the partners its desire to discover itself through the relationship  it forms because the Leo archetype tends to be very self focussed and narcissistic, especially in the consensus stages.

Not necessarily more so in the consensus state!

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This individual with some money could be an elitist or would choose partners with a certain status, showy cars and would have a traditional home, meaning it would feel well integrated within the system with all its flaws. It would probably be attracted to things that are flashy that draw attention upon itself. It would look for partners that would have fixed opinions about society, go to mass and  value others for what they have. Possibly these people would use all types of means to get what they desire or aspire. These people can be very rooted to their own ways. Not liking and fighting away any body  who tries to question their beliefs or traditions. There is a tendency to believe that material goods and all separating desires can bring them fame, success and happiness.

Material goods are not relevant to this signature. What you wrote did not emphasize the evolutionary direction of the soul through the polarity point and north node in Aquarius in the 7th. What is the bottom line evolutionary intent for this soul?

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Individuated
This individual would probably seek partners who can help it jump further out of the box, having itself already started to see that relationships do not have to be what consensus dictates. In this stage the individual will be more focussed in learning with the other on a more balanced and equal way. Questioning itself it realizes that it needs anthers of like mind to have some answers to the many new questions that need to be answered. New relationships formed will we useful for the individual as it learns to listen to what are the needs of the others through listening to the other. The individual will learn more about itself through compare and contrast with others. The beginning of some sort of understanding that one is not the creator of our special gift begins to form in the individual, this said , the individual starts to understand how vast and infinite the universe is and how small it self is.The individual has already realized that material goods, power and money do not bring happiness and is much more interested to put a back pack on its back and take off into the world with no tomorrow, discovering itself through listening to others ideas and beliefs as they come along its way.

What you wrote does encompass the essence of this signature within the individuated stages especially in regards to listening to others, however material goods and money is not inherently connected to these signatures.

If you'd like, take the following example and explain the evolutionary intent: A soul in the middle of the 2nd individuated with the sn and Pluto in Leo in the 1st. This soul may be very creative and talented in many ways. This soul, being well established in the 2nd individuated, will have a sense of community that is very much outside the "norms" of society. With the north node and Pluto in Aquarius in the 7th what is the evolutionary intent for this soul?

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Spiritual
 In the beginning stage the individual has understood by the call it feels coming from its Soul that it has to be at the service of a higher cause. As a result, this humbles its Soul and the importance it gave itself is lost through giving of itself to others instead of wanting all the focus for itself. Eventually it understands that its talents or self creativity are all gifts from God/ Source, and that it has to share the knowledge with  humanity for the better of others and serving a greater cause. 
The success, recognition by society, power and achievements have a totally different meaning for the individual, shying away from any glorification for its own talents for his centre is no longer outside of itself and is now turned towards the returning desire of the Soul to go home.

All that can be accurate however again you didn't say much about the evolutionary intent relative to the nn and the polarity point. If you'd like, here is another case study: A soul with these signatures in the middle of second stage spiritual. What is the evolutionary intent? Whats the core challenge for this soul at this stage?

Thank you for your incredible dedication and efforts Rita. Please feel free to respond to my questions/promptings only to the extent that it feels helpful for you to do so.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Katherine on Jun 08, 2014, 01:26 AM
Hi Katherine,

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Pluto & SN in the 1st H
So, generally, what could be said of encountering Pluto in the same house as the SN is that the Soul has constructed in the past egoic structures that similarly personify it’s deepest desires i.e. there is at least a resonance between the conscious and unconscious desires, a resonance of how they are acted out.  

While the person may not necessarily have a clear awareness that their conscious desires are congruent with their Soul’s desires, there may be an obtuse but strong sense of knowing what is most important to them.  (This would have been a mechanism for evolutionary acceleration.) Ok, so assuming the doubling up of Pluto and the SN of the moon is a fast track for growth in areas of desire awareness, gassing it so to speak, placement in the 1st house could indicate an amplified instinctual process, a quickening of getting down to and attaining those bottom-line desires.  This intended growth could have been resisted, embraced, or a combination thereof.  

So, getting into the Why, Pluto and the SN in the 1st could have been a necessary program to remediate dependencies on various externalities, or abdication of power. Pluto may have been functioning for a long time from the perspective of tapping into its instinctual desires however, being convinced of another's agenda (Sag) becoming overly concerned with material preservation (Taurus) at the cost of one’s innate priorities may have invoked a need to focus on the actual acting out of the subjective desires. Or, to put it another way: to do the right thing and for the right reason, with respect to personal integrity.  Which, merrily, gets into the variables of the signature: lunar nodal axis station, either ‘body’ aspecting the Ascendant and/ or, forming a conjunction to each other.  Any combination of these scenarios would magnify the force of the 1st house signature.  

In the instance of Pluto conjunct the SN in the 1st, a resistance to acting out evolutionary requirements would prompt re-live scenarios where there are lessons requiring absolute resolution of being  true to oneself. The outer form changes but, the test is always is this what I want? Is this my desire? It’s like innate applied kinesiology: muscle testing 101, basically. On the fruition side, there is a need to disseminate the resources accumulated over time through personal experience. There could be layers of karma around having taken things by force, interrupting, causing crisis to, or otherwise superseding the needs of others. This necessary check might mean various ways of leading by example, e.g. being transparent about how one can assert one’s power and take hold of the things they need.

Excellent.

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If neither are in aspect i.e. the Pluto polarity point and north node are in effect,

The polarity point and north node would be in effect either no matter what.

For some reason I thought that the Soul is really wrapping up the dynamics of the SN/Pluto conjunction so it's really not flowing in the NN/PPP direction, until the second Saturn Return. (The water is on from the spigot, but not from the nozzle which creates a back pressure and the slowest drip, then whooosh! ...?)

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this would place more of an emphasis on stretching beyond the known and into further practice of individuating, through the lens of Libra. The proverbial oxygen mask being secured over one’s own face and then being able to turn to other passengers.

Katherine, this is so well said. Everything you wrote is accurate to these signatures. Here's a question for you if you are called to go further in this way: since Pluto conjunct the sn will either imply total resistance to evolutionary necessity or total cooperation (or something in between) what are some real life contexts that Pluto on the sn in the 1st may represent? Do you know of any charts with this signature that either represents a nearly total relive (reflecting total resistance) or a nearly total fruitive condition? One that comes to mind off hand is the Dalai Lama.
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Hmm, thank you for asking! I don't know. I'm really bad with celebrity examples. I did mention the Dalai Lama in my second post and you are mentioning him now so, I'll check out his chart more. When I was doing this assignment and racking my brain for examples of 1st h Pluto. I had an intuition to find Black Panther members... Sure enough, Bobby Seale and Eldridge Cleaver do. I almost wrote about Eldridge because of Pluto 1st conjunct the Ascendent conjunct SN in the 12th though. But still, he's a classic example of relive/fruition (SN Cancer 12th) as he was in and out of jail most of his life. Soul on Ice was written in prison.

Living on the road my friend
Was gonna keep you free and clean
Now you wear your skin like iron
Your breath’s as hard as kerosene
“Poncho and Lefty”
Townes Van Zandt

Consensus: At this stage, the person may insist that they are a power of one- not seeing all the ways the prevailing culture, politics, economics, etc. mold their thinking. Choices might be really focused on the external and material methods of autonomy: ‘live free or die’ style, possibly extremist/ survivalist. 2nd: Libertarian, “user pays” tonality, 3rd: Fascists, me and mine…now yours is mine.

Individuated: extremely iconoclastic, punk DIY ethos, experimenting with the most radical anti-establishment ways and lifestyles, 2nd: philosophy of solipsism, total distancing from the collective, 3rd: maybe not hands on but possibly tolerant of media coverage via interviews, etc, on how and why they maintain their life independent from the status quo, emerging consciousness that they can provide a new template of how to live fully.

Spirituated: perhaps a minimalist/zen style life where there is a conscious awareness of what they consume, why do they need that, what are their truest desires, a tempering of excess to directly access their passion for Source 2nd: detour through the ego to access source, messages like 'I have an instinctual awareness ("hits") of what you/others need to actualize your spirituality, and you need personal access to me to know how to do this, only if I get what I want from you, i.e. direct access in exact ways I want and when I want.' 3rd: the internal fire burns clean and strong, total focus on directly experiencing God/des, all that is unneeded is burned away. This heart flame is arresting/ undeniable to those who witness it. The lighthouse home.

In your words, especially in describing the spiritual state there is a slight bent towards the 2nd house: survival, consumption, the archetype of "need", zen style life. You expressed the 3rd stage very well.

Agreed...of the monastic vows of simplicity I could have steered toward e.g. celibacy and using that energy toward direct engagement of Self and Source.

One thing that you didn't touch upon too much is the archetype of freedom. There core desire of the soul is the NEED for freedom. Freedom to actualize one's own desires and not be limited by anyone or anything. This of course creates its own self limitation and entrapment - which is the nature of all separating desires.

Yeah, about that... when I started this entry I was really putting pressure on myself not to repeat what I wrote from the first two posts. (Sometimes on the message board it feels like 'nobody here but us chickens' and other times it's like the whole world reads it.) I wrote it more as the third installment and because I rang the freedom bell pretty hard previously I just...anyway.  And it's good that you brought this up because when I reread my post the next day I found it incomplete. I really just need to do each assignment for me, to round out my own understanding. Note to self.

What would a relive condition feel like in any evolutionary stage (feel free to pick one), when there is a deep compulsion for freedom? Even for a soul where it's not a total relive situation - what is at the heart of the soul's desire nature that brings it into the current life? Feel free to engage this question if/however you want to.

I imagine that it would feel really limiting and that would be really frustrating. A compulsion toward repitition and then having a no, not again reaction at the consequences. I'll need to think about this more.

With love
Ari Moshe

Thank you, Ari!
God bless,
Katherine


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Katherine on Jun 08, 2014, 03:59 AM
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Hi Ari,
I thought of a 'fun option' or nuance for your facilitation of this thread and your growth in teaching, as I recall your saying how much teaching serves your own knowledge and evolutionary growth. And that is: when you see holes in what we post, maybe framing a question back for us to think about and arrive at for ourselves? Not implying tons of back and forth--that could go on forever. And I don't mean cryptic riddles, that's frustrating. But...food for thought? If and when it could be helpful.

This is totally an idea and not to be taken as criticism of something that is 'missing' here. To be clear, I love your feedback style, it is as generous as it is fitting. Because sometimes one just needs to be told 'it's like this.' Done.

katherine, that is such wonderful advice. I have applied it above. Thank you so much for your courage, honesty and compassion. This is exactly what I needed to hear as per my own soul growth.

Awesome. And thank you...Namaste

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I just know that you really sit with the particulars and it has very much served your understanding of EA. There's something. What is your process when you are stuck? When you can't get a sense of a dynamic, and also when you can't see how something might play out?

If it's for a reading that I'm going to give to someone I'm learning to just let go of needing to figure it out; to drop the entire idea that the value of my service to another is because I can interpret their chart well. I do the best I can with as much preparation/meditation I put into the chart and my ongoing practice is to remember to only speak what I truly know, not what I wish I knew or believe that I have the potential to know.

I also remind myself that its my genuine love for the individual, attention, true listening and intention to be a vehicle for God that is the true service. Whenever I let go, I almost always end up "figuring out" what I couldn't previously understand anyway.

My biggest advice to everyone here, and all students I work with is to read charts for real live people and to make that the primary source of learning. And to always be content with what you can do; trusting that through consistent exposure, especially if love is present, learning just happens by itself.

Speaking with integrity, being present, trusting in the process, and being content with the session is all great advice. This is perfect. Thank you for sharing, Ari!
"My biggest advice to everyone here, and all students I work with is to read charts for real live people and to make that the primary source of learning." This is a big one for me as I tend to stay the 'professional student' and never ever feel ready. Right now, with EA, I have people lined up, wanting the work, trying to throw money at me (full scale--I have no idea why) and it's... terrifying. I know I need more courage to practice--this helps.

With love,
Ari moshe

Thank you for being so open and supportive.
God bless,
Katherine


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: rita on Jun 08, 2014, 10:52 AM


Hi Ari and group,




What is the core reason why this soul with the sn and Pluto in Leo in the 1st would experience instinctual repulsion or attraction to another? What would this soul learn from the north node and polarity point?

One reason i dare venture think that repulsion could be felt with this configuration considering the first house, Aries would be that the individual is in a new cycle and all is new, being doubly narcissistic in nature. It would feel subconsciously very insecure, lack of confidence and would doubt itself when confronted by others on how they project their desires on to the others.
The evolutionary intent would be to embrace others by becoming more objective and listening to the other, taking their desires/needs into equal consideration.
By embracing the polarity point 7th house, it would accept its attraction to different types of people in which the individual could uniquely express its creativity and loose the subconscious fear of loosing its power to the other.It would also learn to share, and put the groups interests above its own, learning to be less subjective by applying equality / objectivity.


If you'd like, take the following example and explain the evolutionary intent: A soul in the middle of the 2nd individuated with the sn and Pluto in Leo in the 1st. This soul may be very creative and talented in many ways. This soul, being well established in the 2nd individuated, will have a sense of community that is very much outside the "norms" of society. With the north node and PPP in Aquarius in the 7th what is the evolutionary intent for this soul?

This individual could try and create a very different/avant guard type of community in which all consensus values or philosophies that have come before would be totally discarded. Meaning it would seek people with innovative/creative ideas who are like minded and together could be able to construct its desired world.

At this stage the individual is in a state of total rebellion against the status quo. With this stage the individual will feel an existential void, seeking others who feel just the same and together they can share this existential void. This void is there until the individual understands and looses its deep fear of being swallowed by consensus society again. The individual fears loosing all its hard earned individuality if it integrates itself back into society with its new visions and ideas. Once the individual totally understands that the fear it feels is only fear it will re-integrate itself within the society and bring to the society its ideas.

The rebellion is such that there could be a repulsion towards anybody´s expectations that the individual would do anything external to itself , meaning that the individual would totally reject any outside pressure to be something else than it is.

Thank you, thank you Ari,
All the other quotes that you question about their relevance, have indeed no relevance at all, i greatly appreciate your kind teaching and can only thank you again.

 Namaste
rita









 


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jun 09, 2014, 10:09 PM
Hi Katherine and Rita, just wanted to touch base - I'll be responding to your posts tomorrow later in the day.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: rita on Jun 10, 2014, 02:00 PM
Hi Ari,
Reading over the corrections i can answer all of them if that is your wish, also, i  realized i did the wrong stage all together, please accept my apologies and during the week i will do second stage spiritual as you suggested.
thank you again for your wonderful dedication and care
namaste
rita


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jun 10, 2014, 04:50 PM
Hi Katherine,

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If neither are in aspect i.e. the Pluto polarity point and north node are in effect,

The polarity point and north node would be in effect either no matter what.

For some reason I thought that the Soul is really wrapping up the dynamics of the SN/Pluto conjunction so it's really not flowing in the NN/PPP direction, until the second Saturn Return. (The water is on from the spigot, but not from the nozzle which creates a back pressure and the slowest drip, then whooosh! ...?)

Oh I missed what you said about aspects. Yes, that is consistent with Green's teaching: if there are no aspects to the north node then the soul can only move on to the north node by the 2nd Saturn return. I should note I don't know this totally through direct experience myself at this point.

With love
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jun 10, 2014, 05:09 PM
Hi Rita,

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What is the core reason why this soul with the sn and Pluto in Leo in the 1st would experience instinctual repulsion or attraction to another? What would this soul learn from the north node and polarity point?

One reason i dare venture think that repulsion could be felt with this configuration considering the first house, Aries would be that the individual is in a new cycle and all is new, being doubly narcissistic in nature. It would feel subconsciously very insecure, lack of confidence and would doubt itself when confronted by others on how they project their desires on to the others.

The psychology of attraction and repulsion stem from desire. The underlying desire within this soul would be for the freedom to actualize their own creative impulses. If they feel impeded or blocked by another (such as not being seen, appreciated, i their creative freedom is being blocked, or if they perceive competition) they they might feel repulsed by the other. If however another person would serve the furthering of the soul's desires (placing the soul in the position of the "leader", admiring the soul, or somehow creating an avenue for the soul to play out their instinctual desires through the other person) then there might be an attraction. The point within all of this is that the soul's relationship with others is oriented entirely around the personal self - not a true meeting of others.

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The evolutionary intent would be to embrace others by becoming more objective and listening to the other, taking their desires/needs into equal consideration.

By embracing the polarity point 7th house, it would accept its attraction to different types of people in which the individual could uniquely express its creativity and loose the subconscious fear of loosing its power to the other.It would also learn to share, and put the groups interests above its own, learning to be less subjective by applying equality / objectivity.

Excellent all true.

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If you'd like, take the following example and explain the evolutionary intent: A soul in the middle of the 2nd individuated with the sn and Pluto in Leo in the 1st. This soul may be very creative and talented in many ways. This soul, being well established in the 2nd individuated, will have a sense of community that is very much outside the "norms" of society. With the north node and PPP in Aquarius in the 7th what is the evolutionary intent for this soul?

This individual could try and create a very different/avant guard type of community in which all consensus values or philosophies that have come before would be totally discarded. Meaning it would seek people with innovative/creative ideas who are like minded and together could be able to construct its desired world.

At this stage the individual is in a state of total rebellion against the status quo. With this stage the individual will feel an existential void, seeking others who feel just the same and together they can share this existential void. This void is there until the individual understands and looses its deep fear of being swallowed by consensus society again. The individual fears loosing all its hard earned individuality if it integrates itself back into society with its new visions and ideas. Once the individual totally understands that the fear it feels is only fear it will re-integrate itself within the society and bring to the society its ideas.

The rebellion is such that there could be a repulsion towards anybody´s expectations that the individual would do anything external to itself , meaning that the individual would totally reject any outside pressure to be something else than it is.

What you described is accurate for 2nd stage individuated in general - for nearly any chart, however there wasn't much application to this particular chart. (And you did the correct stage too. After I suggested a practice with 2nd individuated, I also suggested one with 2nd spiritual in the next paragraph).

If you'd like, explain the evolutionary intent if this soul was in 2nd individuated (and/or 2nd spiritual). I'm happy to provide more guidance for that too if you'd like.

With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: fruitbat on Jun 11, 2014, 04:15 AM
Hi Ari and everyone,
   Just wanted to let you know I'll be replying by the end of the week- busy-ness abounds here this Gemini season.
                             Blessings to all,
                                            Mike


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: fruitbat on Jun 12, 2014, 05:21 AM
Pluto Polarity Point  House 2 Pisces
The evolutionary intent of the current life as symbolized in the birth chart by the Pluto Polarity Point is to become self reliant, to experience  having one's own values and resources, to create stability and peace in one's own life, to simplify one's life, to have faith and acceptance in what is rather than being in constant crisis/worry/ or a "something's wrong" mode, to learn to see the big picture rather than fussing over the details, and potential surrender to the universal Divine.
As the individual moves away from the potential resistance created from having his/her emotional security tied up with past evolutionary intentions as represented by Pluto in the Eighth House in Virgo, he/she will eventually make the choice to learn, grow, and evolve. This choice to evolve is represented by the North Node in the birth chart. The image is of taking the "high road" in this lifetime -thus opening up new possibilities/potential for the soul as opposing to staying resistant and being stuck in a  pattern or rut.


North Node House 2 Pisces
As the North Node  is in the same house and sign as the Pluto Polarity Point, any choices the individual makes to evolve toward becoming self reliant, toward creating self worth without relying on other people's values, toward simplification of life, toward seeing the big picture, toward creating stability and peace and surrendering to what is will lead toward amplified  manifestation of the current lifetime's evolutionary intent. This, in  a sense, beautifully crystallizes the simplification theme of the house and sign placement of the Polarity Point and the North Node. On the other hand, with Pluto and the South Node being located in the same house and sign the possibility of very strong resistance exists.   


Consensus       In the Consensus State, this soul would likely be focused on financial self reliance perhaps amassing resources of his/her own. This personwould likely grow though learning to value him/her self in relationship and through simple grounded acceptance of one's place in life/society.
Individuated  In the Individuated State, the soul will probably be focused on growth through self reliance and of creating strong and independent  values regardless of other people's values or mainstream ideas-basically maintaining independent stabilty and groundedness/inner peace irregardless of mainstream society.
Spiritual In the Spiritual State, the focus will become more and more about simplification,  simpification, simpification,   of humble acceptance of one's place in the big picture and faith as opposed to worry/doubt/guilt, of having one's own stable spiritual values,  and of gradually exhausting all separative desires and surrendering to the universal Divine. 


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jun 13, 2014, 02:54 PM
Hi Mike,

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Pluto Polarity Point  House 2 Pisces
The evolutionary intent of the current life as symbolized in the birth chart by the Pluto Polarity Point is to become self reliant, to experience  having one's own values and resources, to create stability and peace in one's own life, to simplify one's life, to have faith and acceptance in what is rather than being in constant crisis/worry/ or a "something's wrong" mode, to learn to see the big picture rather than fussing over the details, and potential surrender to the universal Divine.

Excellent, beautifully said.

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As the individual moves away from the potential resistance created from having his/her emotional security tied up with past evolutionary intentions as represented by Pluto in the Eighth House in Virgo, he/she will eventually make the choice to learn, grow, and evolve. This choice to evolve is represented by the North Node in the birth chart. The image is of taking the "high road" in this lifetime -thus opening up new possibilities/potential for the soul as opposing to staying resistant and being stuck in a  pattern or rut.


North Node House 2 Pisces
As the North Node  is in the same house and sign as the Pluto Polarity Point, any choices the individual makes to evolve toward becoming self reliant, toward creating self worth without relying on other people's values, toward simplification of life, toward seeing the big picture, toward creating stability and peace and surrendering to what is will lead toward amplified  manifestation of the current lifetime's evolutionary intent. This, in  a sense, beautifully crystallizes the simplification theme of the house and sign placement of the Polarity Point and the North Node. On the other hand, with Pluto and the South Node being located in the same house and sign the possibility of very strong resistance exists.   


Consensus       In the Consensus State, this soul would likely be focused on financial self reliance perhaps amassing resources of his/her own. This personwould likely grow though learning to value him/her self in relationship and through simple grounded acceptance of one's place in life/society.

Individuated  In the Individuated State, the soul will probably be focused on growth through self reliance and of creating strong and independent  values regardless of other people's values or mainstream ideas-basically maintaining independent stabilty and groundedness/inner peace irregardless of mainstream society.

Spiritual In the Spiritual State, the focus will become more and more about simplification,  simpification, simpification,   of humble acceptance of one's place in the big picture and faith as opposed to worry/doubt/guilt, of having one's own stable spiritual values,  and of gradually exhausting all separative desires and surrendering to the universal Divine.

Excellent Mike, all true and well said. You have a very articulate understanding of the core EA interpretive method.

The full scope of Pisces was not totally exemplified in your analysis of the evolutionary stages - in particular consensus and individuated. The essence of Pisces is surrender to Truth - and in that surrender a soul become a co-creative instrument with/of the divine. Of course the soul wont necessarily think of this process as surrender or in relationship to the divine. If you'd like, you are invited to examine this more fully here: what might it look like/ whats the intention with Pisces in the 2nd house in the various evolutionary stages? And it if feels helpful for you to do so, you can also pick a specific sub stage and flesh it out with more detail.
With love
Ari MOshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Wei on Jun 14, 2014, 03:44 AM
PPP in 8th house Aries

PPP in 8th house Aries would symbolize confronting limitations in intimate relationship, learn to share/trust/commit on soul level in independent relationship; Soul may learn to be in a partnership which each person have freedom and passion to persuit what they want in their own way, toghther fully develop their potential, let new experiences in. Deep metamorphosis experiences may happen through lose/betrayal/abandonment when souls are over fixed/refusing to evolve, intention is to break free from old relationship pattern, soul may forced to open up by a intense lover through power struggle, they'll learn to open up to other's value/motivation/feeling/desire, connect with others mentally, learn to be in a commitment relationship without losing oneself. Soul may also learn to merge with others deeply through karmic exchange in sex, be influenced on a unconscious level, may accelerate transformation (uncover a deeper emotional level).

Soul is likely to develop new psychology about human's value/self's value/openion about relationship, also regain power within themselves, share/transform their inner resources, encourage others to do the same, gain courage to embrace changes more instinctively, life would be more like adventure when they're older. Live life beyound basic needs/material comfort.

Soul would feel pull of desires to transform, continually need to break free from limitation, it's like butterfly, they will go through power/powerless, dead/reborn, constantly overcome feeling of insecure/fear, to open up to mysterious unconsious world, realise there are something more than physical world, be attracted to new experiences/to learn about deeper layer of oneself in every phase of their life.

NN in 10th house cancer relative to PPP

Soul may learn to be emotionally mature in career, take responsibility to fully develop their potential, they may have a job environment like family, which they need to take care of everyone's emotion, certain family pattern would repeat/project on business partner or co-workers. They will learn to go out to world with their inner security, to establish something, be master/successful in a career which they can feel emotionally fulfilled. When the self-confidence is built up, soul could be pioneer figure and have more courage to share/transform their inner resources/transformed value to benefit/nurture the whole society.

By growing up into adult life, soul need to balance their male/female energy, accept/give recognition to their inner gender, and nurture themselves in a way they need. In taking responsibility for cold/neglect/difficult emotional experiences in childhood, taking care of their emotional needs, complete/fully develop their inner identity, they will learn to connect to oneself deeply, form relationship/familial relationship reflect their emotionally reality, thus liberate from fixed relationship pattern/childhood displaced emotional needs, break free from a role defined by society/family. They will also develop capability to nurture others in intimate relationship, encourage others to find their inner resources, or raise their own kids, nurture them in a way they really need.

Saturn return would be significant transit for souls with NN in 10th, could bring chance to break free from childhood pattern, such as marriage, kids, relocation, career turning points.

I get stuck at evolutionary stage right now, i will think about it and post more next week.

Thank you so much for this oppotunity, i feel intense conflict between desires to evolve and repulse while i'm trying to write, which's exactly my own pluto/nodes lesson.


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: fruitbat on Jun 14, 2014, 09:25 PM
Thank you for your feedback Ari-
  I will certainly take your invitation to flesh out my descriptions of Pisces through the evolutionary stages. It will be a while before I get to it though as I'm heading to a music and arts festival at which I'll be gifting some evolutionary astrology readings. I so very much appreciate this opportunity to study with you.
                      Love and blessings and gratitude,
                                      Mike 


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jun 16, 2014, 11:20 AM
Hi Wei,

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PPP in 8th house Aries would symbolize confronting limitations in intimate relationship, learn to share/trust/commit on soul level in independent relationship; Soul may learn to be in a partnership which each person have freedom and passion to persuit what they want in their own way, toghther fully develop their potential, let new experiences in. Deep metamorphosis experiences may happen through lose/betrayal/abandonment when souls are over fixed/refusing to evolve, intention is to break free from old relationship pattern, soul may forced to open up by a intense lover through power struggle, they'll learn to open up to other's value/motivation/feeling/desire, connect with others mentally, learn to be in a commitment relationship without losing oneself.


This is true except for connecting with others mentally.

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Soul may also learn to merge with others deeply through karmic exchange in sex, be influenced on a unconscious level, may accelerate transformation (uncover a deeper emotional level).

Soul is likely to develop new psychology about human's value/self's value/openion about relationship, also regain power within themselves, share/transform their inner resources, encourage others to do the same, gain courage to embrace changes more instinctively, life would be more like adventure when they're older. Live life beyound basic needs/material comfort.

Soul would feel pull of desires to transform, continually need to break free from limitation, it's like butterfly, they will go through power/powerless, dead/reborn, constantly overcome feeling of insecure/fear, to open up to mysterious unconsious world, realise there are something more than physical world, be attracted to new experiences/to learn about deeper layer of oneself in every phase of their life.

What you wrote is accurate in terms of the nature of Aries in the 8th. I feel you can offer a bit more in terms of the polarity point. The polarity point is the evolutionary intention. If you were to summarize the evolutionary intention with the polarity point in Aries in the 8th what is the essence that you would come to? What you can think of are just a very small set of words that depics the essence of this evolutionary intention, almost like a mantra.

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NN in 10th house cancer relative to PPP

Soul may learn to be emotionally mature in career, take responsibility to fully develop their potential, they may have a job environment like family, which they need to take care of everyone's emotion, certain family pattern would repeat/project on business partner or co-workers. They will learn to go out to world with their inner security, to establish something, be master/successful in a career which they can feel emotionally fulfilled. When the self-confidence is built up, soul could be pioneer figure and have more courage to share/transform their inner resources/transformed value to benefit/nurture the whole society.

By growing up into adult life, soul need to balance their male/female energy, accept/give recognition to their inner gender, and nurture themselves in a way they need. In taking responsibility for cold/neglect/difficult emotional experiences in childhood, taking care of their emotional needs, complete/fully develop their inner identity, they will learn to connect to oneself deeply, form relationship/familial relationship reflect their emotionally reality, thus liberate from fixed relationship pattern/childhood displaced emotional needs, break free from a role defined by society/family. They will also develop capability to nurture others in intimate relationship, encourage others to find their inner resources, or raise their own kids, nurture them in a way they really need.

Saturn return would be significant transit for souls with NN in 10th, could bring chance to break free from childhood pattern, such as marriage, kids, relocation, career turning points.

I get stuck at evolutionary stage right now, i will think about it and post more next week.

Thank you so much for this oppotunity, i feel intense conflict between desires to evolve and repulse while i'm trying to write, which's exactly my own pluto/nodes lesson.

Excellent work Wei. Everything you wrote is accurate. What I'm called to do is offer a couple focus questions for you to arrive at the essence for fully. Of course only if you feel this is supportive for you:

What would be the most challenging threat to the soul's deepest security in embracing the north node in the 10th (in other words, how does that threaten the security needs of natal Pluto)?
What is the soul letting go of in embracing the north node? (Again, look back at natal Pluto).

With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Wei on Jun 17, 2014, 01:38 AM
Thank you Ari! i will think about these questions and post later.
Love
Wei


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Emily on Jun 17, 2014, 02:43 PM
Hello,

Here's an attempt at NN Libra 11th and PPP Pisces 4th. The evolutionary states were tricky for me.

Thanks for your time, Ari Moshe, and the chance to practice!

-Emily


North Node Libra 11th House

With this placement, the soul is working on entering into relationships in a balanced way. Through detachment and observation the soul can see where it has perhaps been operating in a narcissistic manner, not respecting others needs or talents. The soul is learning to listen objectively to others; to learn to give to another what they actually need, and learning when not to give as well. They are learning to respond vs. react, by hearing what another is actually saying vs. hearing through their own, perhaps defensive, filter. Relative to Pluto in Virgo in the 10th house, the soul is learning how to link its previously developed talents to a socially relevant need, to be of service to others/the community. They are moving to a place of seeing the equality of all people, and their talents. That no one is more special than anyone else, including themselves. There could be feelings of being isolated from the community or receiving judgments, or placing judgments on others. The soul is learning to objectify the nature of these judgments and learning that their subjective reality is not the only reality. They will be able to objectively view their own conditioning, and own past behavior from a broader perspective. There is the potential to liberate from past conditioning, to enter into relationships as an equal, taking full responsibility for themselves, shifting blame and victimhood into self-knowledge and self-empowerment. There is a balance that can be achieved from the past experiences of both superiority and inferiority. The soul can also learn about itself from objective, non-judgmental comparison and contrast with others. Groups of like-mind may play a big role in helping this person evolve, or they may find themselves standing as a group of one, encouraging others to be individuals as well. The soul may join with others who share its ideals and share similar talents, forming a family (4th/10th) consisting of friends of like-mind. Gender switch is indicated here as well, and there can be perhaps be a shift to more of an equalization of the masculine and feminine energies within the soul.

Pluto Polarity Point Pisces 4th House

By embracing the north node, the soul will begin to open the places within its consciousness that have become overly rigid, judgmental, critical, authoritarian or otherwise unsupportive and in denial of unconditional love. The Virgo/Pisces axis may be expressed as a deeply conditioned identification with Judeo/Christian beliefs, which leave the soul with an underlying feeling of not being whole. Any shame or guilt the soul is holding onto (natural or conditioned) can begin to be softened and surrendered. Compassion towards oneself will lead to immense healing for the soul, as it metamorphosizes the soul's relationship with itself and with others. The soul will be invited to focus on family or closer emotional bonds with friends, shifting the identity away from the career as the main focus of the life. The work function may be seen as a vehicle for being of service to the whole on behalf of the creator in the spiritual state. The identity may be broadened to include more of a unity consciousness than one of negative comparison or competition.  The soul can open up to its own and other's vulnerability and sensitivity. Forgiveness is also indicated, of oneself, and others that the soul may feel victimized by.

Consensus:
The soul may gain a more objective perspective of its past via some form of traditional counselling. The potential religious/familial conditioning may not be acknowledged...? Or the soul may rebel against one group and form bonds with another that is more reflective of who it is.

Individuated:
The soul may take its need for freedom and self-actualization out into the world in a way that is very progressive, forming bonds with other progressive people. The soul may do a lot of work with regard to shedding old patterns and layers of conditioning. Alienation from family or from others in general could be a more likely theme in this evolutionary state, as the soul separates itself from its past/others in order to learn who it is beyond all of that.

Spiritual:
The soul will be bringing its talents to humanity in service to God. The talent will be seen as emanating from the soul. Growth will be seen as an opportunity to align the ego more closely with the soul. Any feedback from others that serves to gently humble the ego will be seen as helpful in this way. The soul may find a spiritually oriented community that feels like family.



Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: rita on Jun 18, 2014, 07:04 AM

Hi Ari and group

Second stage individuated
Pluto PP/ NN in Aquarius 7th house.

This individual is at the peek of its rebellion against the system, against its family values and will not conform to anything it does not relate to. The individual will follow one desire after another in its quest to know itself through comparison and contrast. It will periodically retreat upon itself so as to integrate all the new experiences it has lived through the last conflict / relationship with the other. In the relationship it will tend to focus primary on itself first, not taking into account the others needs, and not understanding when the other walks away from the relationship, accusing it of narcissism and being self centered.
This individual through contrast/compare and conflict with others will eventually understand the importance of listening to what the other is saying and the other will, through conflict, induce the individual to reflect upon its self centered attitudes. This will help the individual through the trauma it causes it, helping it  understand that it needs to be less subjective and become more objective about all its desires. Understanding that the others desires are as important as its own. It has through the shock and trauma caused by its me, me, me attitudes,  the desire to learn to be more objective as it realizes it will never know who it is / what it is, by remaining isolated.
The individual would educate and pass on to its children values totally out of the box, influencing its off spring to think independently from consensus values. These values would be in alignment to its own values and principles, maybe not accepting other values than its own. Anger, impatience and conflict would occur in the individual if the offspring / or others question its values, maybe threatening the individuals way of who it is / what it is and its deeper security.
The individual could be attracted by the way of life of a certain community and move in with them, rapidly trying to impose its ideas and making it all about itself.
 Once the individual understands and stops making it all about itself, becoming less subjective / self focussed and makes all its effort for the whole group / partner or others it will see that others will automatically come as others and not possible threats. It will  be able to integrate the SN  / NN PPP, as it realizes that its most unconscient fear of loss of freedom ( SN first )  if it commits to a long term relationship will no longer exist as it has understood, that to be as an equal in a team / relationship /friendship is more rewarding to have somebody to share with than for itself alone. It will realize by giving instead of wanting for itself that others come, want to be with the individual empowering it.
The individual will fulfill its evolutionary intent  what ever stage in its evolution it is in when it puts the others before itself and realize that its needs will be met, simply because it could objectify itself and put the others before itself.
To serve others before it serves itself.


Second stage spiritual NN/PPP in Aquarius.

At this stage the individual would already have experienced  / lived through some very revealing inner cosmic or universal experiences within its consciousness, making it believe that these inner cosmic experiences make it special, as it has this gift. The individual may be a spiritual leader and expect its disciples to bow at  the individual when saluting it. It may believe that it is more spiritual than it actually is, this said the individual could form some type of community under the false pretext that the individual is a messenger from God. Divinely enlightened by the little windows it has already perceived through its cosmic /universal inner experiences it has had. Big disillusionment will happen during its life when others show it that the power it believes to have is so relative so as to realize that it is only a messenger of God.
The individual could find itself in competition with its children´s spirituality. Advising them not to follow the other Guru but to come to him. This shows us that there is still the need to purge from its soul these subjective desires and work towards focussing its desires towards the path to return home.
The individual could leave its partner, in the pursuit of its spirituality, instead of giving the partner the choice to accompany it or not, putting its desire before others.
Follow a guru for a while, feel totally enlightened because a new veil may have been lifted in the individual consciousness. This gives the individual the desire to break away from that spiritual teacher, to go else where and apply on others the divine knowledge it thinks it has, as the individual believes that it has a spiritual special mission to fulfill on behalf of others.


Thank you Ari for your dedication and care,
namaste,
rita





 







Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jun 20, 2014, 12:50 PM
Hi everyone, thank you all so much for your work. Just want to touch base, my body has needed rest this past week. I have not created the space to sit with the recent posts. I intend to be respond to all of your posts later this day and this weekend.
With much love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jun 21, 2014, 07:20 PM
Hi Emily,

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North Node Libra 11th House

With this placement, the soul is working on entering into relationships in a balanced way. Through detachment and observation the soul can see where it has perhaps been operating in a narcissistic manner, not respecting others needs or talents. The soul is learning to listen objectively to others; to learn to give to another what they actually need, and learning when not to give as well. They are learning to respond vs. react, by hearing what another is actually saying vs. hearing through their own, perhaps defensive, filter. Relative to Pluto in Virgo in the 10th house, the soul is learning how to link its previously developed talents to a socially relevant need, to be of service to others/the community. They are moving to a place of seeing the equality of all people, and their talents. That no one is more special than anyone else, including themselves.

This is all so well said and very insightful as a synthesis of these signatures.

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There could be feelings of being isolated from the community or receiving judgments, or placing judgments on others. The soul is learning to objectify the nature of these judgments and learning that their subjective reality is not the only reality. They will be able to objectively view their own conditioning, and own past behavior from a broader perspective. There is the potential to liberate from past conditioning, to enter into relationships as an equal, taking full responsibility for themselves, shifting blame and victimhood into self-knowledge and self-empowerment. There is a balance that can be achieved from the past experiences of both superiority and inferiority. The soul can also learn about itself from objective, non-judgmental comparison and contrast with others. Groups of like-mind may play a big role in helping this person evolve, or they may find themselves standing as a group of one, encouraging others to be individuals as well. The soul may join with others who share its ideals and share similar talents, forming a family (4th/10th) consisting of friends of like-mind. Gender switch is indicated here as well, and there can be perhaps be a shift to more of an equalization of the masculine and feminine energies within the soul.

Pluto in the 10th implies only the possibility of gender switch, it doesn't mean it has actually happened.

Pluto Polarity Point Pisces 4th House

By embracing the north node, the soul will begin to open the places within its consciousness that have become overly rigid, judgmental, critical, authoritarian or otherwise unsupportive and in denial of unconditional love. The Virgo/Pisces axis may be expressed as a deeply conditioned identification with Judeo/Christian beliefs, which leave the soul with an underlying feeling of not being whole. Any shame or guilt the soul is holding onto (natural or conditioned) can begin to be softened and surrendered. Compassion towards oneself will lead to immense healing for the soul, as it metamorphosizes the soul's relationship with itself and with others. The soul will be invited to focus on family or closer emotional bonds with friends, shifting the identity away from the career as the main focus of the life. The work function may be seen as a vehicle for being of service to the whole on behalf of the creator in the spiritual state. The identity may be broadened to include more of a unity consciousness than one of negative comparison or competition.  The soul can open up to its own and other's vulnerability and sensitivity. Forgiveness is also indicated, of oneself, and others that the soul may feel victimized by.

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Consensus:
The soul may gain a more objective perspective of its past via some form of traditional counselling. The potential religious/familial conditioning may not be acknowledged...? Or the soul may rebel against one group and form bonds with another that is more reflective of who it is.

This isn't necessarily about not acknowledging the religious/familiar conditioning. The main evolutionary lesson for this soul is to know their place in the world through the cooperation and connection with others of like mind; through relationship. And applying that in the consensus state means it will happen on that level. This soul will be learning about how to use their power in a way that is compassionate and supportive to others. They may come across lessons around communication, listening and gentleness. Where are some places/ what are some ways in which that might be learned?

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Individuated:
The soul may take its need for freedom and self-actualization out into the world in a way that is very progressive, forming bonds with other progressive people. The soul may do a lot of work with regard to shedding old patterns and layers of conditioning. Alienation from family or from others in general could be a more likely theme in this evolutionary state, as the soul separates itself from its past/others in order to learn who it is beyond all of that.

This is true. If you'd like, what would the nn and polarity point point to for a soul in second stage individuated?

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Spiritual:
The soul will be bringing its talents to humanity in service to God. The talent will be seen as emanating from the soul. Growth will be seen as an opportunity to align the ego more closely with the soul. Any feedback from others that serves to gently humble the ego will be seen as helpful in this way. The soul may find a spiritually oriented community that feels like family.

Again this is true. To flesh this out more, what might this look like for a soul in 2nd stage spiritual?

Emily, your understanding of Pluto polarity point and the nn is very clear. I feel you understand the core of this paradigm. Feel free to engage my questions as you feel is helpful for you.

Some more q's you may wish to explore:
In general, what does the archetypal gibbous phase between Pluto and the sn implies with this signature? What kind of parenting may they have experienced (specifically from father). What kind of karma might this soul have regarding past lives of having been a parent. How might this soul being a parent be a catalyst for evolution?

With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jun 21, 2014, 07:43 PM
Hi Rita,

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Hi Ari and group

Second stage individuated
Pluto PP/ NN in Aquarius 7th house.

This individual is at the peek of its rebellion against the system, against its family values and will not conform to anything it does not relate to. The individual will follow one desire after another in its quest to know itself through comparison and contrast. It will periodically retreat upon itself so as to integrate all the new experiences it has lived through the last conflict / relationship with the other. In the relationship it will tend to focus primary on itself first, not taking into account the others needs, and not understanding when the other walks away from the relationship, accusing it of narcissism and being self centered.

Excellent.

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This individual through contrast/compare and conflict with others will eventually understand the importance of listening to what the other is saying and the other will, through conflict, induce the individual to reflect upon its self centered attitudes. This will help the individual through the trauma it causes it, helping it  understand that it needs to be less subjective and become more objective about all its desires. Understanding that the others desires are as important as its own. It has through the shock and trauma caused by its me, me, me attitudes,  the desire to learn to be more objective as it realizes it will never know who it is / what it is, by remaining isolated.

The individual would educate and pass on to its children values totally out of the box, influencing its off spring to think independently from consensus values. These values would be in alignment to its own values and principles, maybe not accepting other values than its own. Anger, impatience and conflict would occur in the individual if the offspring / or others question its values, maybe threatening the individuals way of who it is / what it is and its deeper security.

It's not about values - accepting them or questioning them. Leo in the 1st house is about an underlying self orientation. And so the main issue here would be not listening to or appreciating the actual individuality of the children.

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The individual could be attracted by the way of life of a certain community and move in with them, rapidly trying to impose its ideas and making it all about itself.

Yes, however not it's "ideas". There can be a strong sense of purpose and activism that is inherently tied in with the need to be special, to be first, to be the leader. Thus the soul might have difficulty actually harmonizing with the group.

Also want to clarify regarding Aquarius, it's not about "moving in" with a community. Community just happens through resonance - and a soul can find itself in many different kinds of "circles" at the same time - many of them overlapping. Also, community can and does form through all kinds of contexts. For example: all of us here are a part of a community, and yet we mostly only interact through the internet.

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Once the individual understands and stops making it all about itself, becoming less subjective / self focussed and makes all its effort for the whole group / partner or others it will see that others will automatically come as others and not possible threats.

Great point. The perception (Pluto) of threat (1st house) can be strong with this signature - especially in the paranoid 2nd stage individuated.

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It will  be able to integrate the SN  / NN PPP, as it realizes that its most unconscient fear of loss of freedom ( SN first )  if it commits to a long term relationship will no longer exist as it has understood, that to be as an equal in a team / relationship /friendship is more rewarding to have somebody to share with than for itself alone. It will realize by giving instead of wanting for itself that others come, want to be with the individual empowering it.

The individual will fulfill its evolutionary intent  what ever stage in its evolution it is in when it puts the others before itself and realize that its needs will be met, simply because it could objectify itself and put the others before itself.
To serve others before it serves itself.

That last part was right on.

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Second stage spiritual NN/PPP in Aquarius.

At this stage the individual would already have experienced  / lived through some very revealing inner cosmic or universal experiences within its consciousness, making it believe that these inner cosmic experiences make it special, as it has this gift. The individual may be a spiritual leader and expect its disciples to bow at  the individual when saluting it. It may believe that it is more spiritual than it actually is, this said the individual could form some type of community under the false pretext that the individual is a messenger from God. Divinely enlightened by the little windows it has already perceived through its cosmic /universal inner experiences it has had. Big disillusionment will happen during its life when others show it that the power it believes to have is so relative so as to realize that it is only a messenger of God.

The individual could find itself in competition with its children´s spirituality. Advising them not to follow the other Guru but to come to him. This shows us that there is still the need to purge from its soul these subjective desires and work towards focussing its desires towards the path to return home.
The individual could leave its partner, in the pursuit of its spirituality, instead of giving the partner the choice to accompany it or not, putting its desire before others.

"Pursuit of spirituality" has more of a Sag resonance.

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Follow a guru for a while, feel totally enlightened because a new veil may have been lifted in the individual consciousness. This gives the individual the desire to break away from that spiritual teacher, to go else where and apply on others the divine knowledge it thinks it has, as the individual believes that it has a spiritual special mission to fulfill on behalf of others.

All that is true as a possible expression of this signature. The soul can also be incredibly open hearted and generous in its giving - however the giving will not reflect what other soul's need, but rather what the soul projects onto others according to its own self interest. Thus the soul will be learning to truly listen to others as equals.

Excellent work Rita, I feel you got the core of these two signatures.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jun 21, 2014, 07:55 PM
Hi Mike, Wei, Rita, Emily and Katherine,
Thank you all so much for your efforts and contribution. And thank you for your patience with me. I am so grateful for this opportunity to share this space with you. Thank you for allowing for me this opportunity for my own soul growth.

I'm going to wait a bit for anyone else who intends to post to do so. Later next week we will begin by adding the rulers of the nodes! If anyone has any creative suggestions for how to go about doing that please feel free to offer them here.
With love
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Katherine on Jun 23, 2014, 04:00 AM
Hi Ari,
Likewise. I am not content with what I have for this installment.
Working on it... I'll post whatever I can patch up by week's end.

Thank you and,
God bless,
Katherine


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Emily on Jun 24, 2014, 03:25 PM
Hi Ari Moshe,

Thank you for your response and for the follow up questions. They are very helpful and I appreciate the opportunity to go deeper into these signatures. I just typed up a response to all of your questions and lost the whole thing. I'm not sure I have time to do this all over again before we move on, but I may.

Namaste,
Emily


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Emily on Jun 27, 2014, 08:47 AM
Hi Emily,

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North Node Libra 11th House

With this placement, the soul is working on entering into relationships in a balanced way. Through detachment and observation the soul can see where it has perhaps been operating in a narcissistic manner, not respecting others needs or talents. The soul is learning to listen objectively to others; to learn to give to another what they actually need, and learning when not to give as well. They are learning to respond vs. react, by hearing what another is actually saying vs. hearing through their own, perhaps defensive, filter. Relative to Pluto in Virgo in the 10th house, the soul is learning how to link its previously developed talents to a socially relevant need, to be of service to others/the community. They are moving to a place of seeing the equality of all people, and their talents. That no one is more special than anyone else, including themselves.

This is all so well said and very insightful as a synthesis of these signatures.

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There could be feelings of being isolated from the community or receiving judgments, or placing judgments on others. The soul is learning to objectify the nature of these judgments and learning that their subjective reality is not the only reality. They will be able to objectively view their own conditioning, and own past behavior from a broader perspective. There is the potential to liberate from past conditioning, to enter into relationships as an equal, taking full responsibility for themselves, shifting blame and victimhood into self-knowledge and self-empowerment. There is a balance that can be achieved from the past experiences of both superiority and inferiority. The soul can also learn about itself from objective, non-judgmental comparison and contrast with others. Groups of like-mind may play a big role in helping this person evolve, or they may find themselves standing as a group of one, encouraging others to be individuals as well. The soul may join with others who share its ideals and share similar talents, forming a family (4th/10th) consisting of friends of like-mind. Gender switch is indicated here as well, and there can be perhaps be a shift to more of an equalization of the masculine and feminine energies within the soul.

Pluto in the 10th implies only the possibility of gender switch, it doesn't mean it has actually happened.

Pluto Polarity Point Pisces 4th House

By embracing the north node, the soul will begin to open the places within its consciousness that have become overly rigid, judgmental, critical, authoritarian or otherwise unsupportive and in denial of unconditional love. The Virgo/Pisces axis may be expressed as a deeply conditioned identification with Judeo/Christian beliefs, which leave the soul with an underlying feeling of not being whole. Any shame or guilt the soul is holding onto (natural or conditioned) can begin to be softened and surrendered. Compassion towards oneself will lead to immense healing for the soul, as it metamorphosizes the soul's relationship with itself and with others. The soul will be invited to focus on family or closer emotional bonds with friends, shifting the identity away from the career as the main focus of the life. The work function may be seen as a vehicle for being of service to the whole on behalf of the creator in the spiritual state. The identity may be broadened to include more of a unity consciousness than one of negative comparison or competition.  The soul can open up to its own and other's vulnerability and sensitivity. Forgiveness is also indicated, of oneself, and others that the soul may feel victimized by.

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Consensus:
The soul may gain a more objective perspective of its past via some form of traditional counselling. The potential religious/familial conditioning may not be acknowledged...? Or the soul may rebel against one group and form bonds with another that is more reflective of who it is.

This isn't necessarily about not acknowledging the religious/familiar conditioning. The main evolutionary lesson for this soul is to know their place in the world through the cooperation and connection with others of like mind; through relationship. And applying that in the consensus state means it will happen on that level. This soul will be learning about how to use their power in a way that is compassionate and supportive to others. They may come across lessons around communication, listening and gentleness. Where are some places/ what are some ways in which that might be learned?

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Individuated:
The soul may take its need for freedom and self-actualization out into the world in a way that is very progressive, forming bonds with other progressive people. The soul may do a lot of work with regard to shedding old patterns and layers of conditioning. Alienation from family or from others in general could be a more likely theme in this evolutionary state, as the soul separates itself from its past/others in order to learn who it is beyond all of that.

This is true. If you'd like, what would the nn and polarity point point to for a soul in second stage individuated?

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Spiritual:
The soul will be bringing its talents to humanity in service to God. The talent will be seen as emanating from the soul. Growth will be seen as an opportunity to align the ego more closely with the soul. Any feedback from others that serves to gently humble the ego will be seen as helpful in this way. The soul may find a spiritually oriented community that feels like family.

Again this is true. To flesh this out more, what might this look like for a soul in 2nd stage spiritual?

Emily, your understanding of Pluto polarity point and the nn is very clear. I feel you understand the core of this paradigm. Feel free to engage my questions as you feel is helpful for you.

Some more q's you may wish to explore:
In general, what does the archetypal gibbous phase between Pluto and the sn implies with this signature? What kind of parenting may they have experienced (specifically from father). What kind of karma might this soul have regarding past lives of having been a parent. How might this soul being a parent be a catalyst for evolution?

With love,
Ari Moshe


Hi,

I'm not sure how to insert text and use the quote function here, so please forgive this format. Here are my responses to the questions posed above. Again thank you for these prompts to explore more deeply.

Namaste,
Emily


Some places and ways the soul might learn about communication, listening and gentleness could be in a work setting, as a manger for example, instead of being authoritarian, the soul may find that people are more cooperative with a softer tone and more active listening. As a parent the soul would encounter the need to listen to children and their needs, and to be gentle with them. This could also be learned with friends, people being alienated by a more aggressive way of communicating, and in more intimate connections where softness is encouraged. It could also even be learned with a pet, where it is learned that gentleness receives a more desirable response.

In the second stage individuated the soul will be wanting to hold on very tightly to the individuality it has gained. There may be difficulty integrating the talents and gifts the soul has to offer into society. The soul may be a group of one at this stage, taking a big step back from others to decondition further from consensus/family values, beliefs and traditions. This is a soul that may find itself on the fringes of society, alone or with others of like-mind. The soul may be very judgmental of those living in consensus society, of government etc. There could also be a radicalization taking place around relationships. The soul could be opening up to a radical kind of self-compassion and compassion for others, in stark contrast to the competitive element of patriarchal living. There could be healing around a strong sense of victimization, blaming others for feelings of alienation. This could also be a talented artist.

In the second stage spiritual the soul may be overly attached to its role as some sort of spiritual leader. There could be a dependency on receiving validation from others/followers. The soul will be learning to relate to others in a more equal way. And learn to give from a place of pure compassion and love, without seeking something for itself in the giving. There is the potential to encounter lessons of humility, potentially through its role in society. The soul will be learning to listen through its service to others, through relationship and through family. There could be a progressive withdrawal from the public eye, or at least an internal detachment from the social role, surrendering more of the ego to will of God.

The SN and Pluto Gibbous phase indicates that the soul has been through/is going through a process of spiritualizing and humbling the ego. With Pluto in Virgo in the 10th and the SN in Aries in the 5th House, does this imply that the soul is humbling based on those SN actions? Or does the humbling implied by Pluto 6th come prior to those times? The gibbous phase is Virgo-like in nature, so the soul would have been receiving feedback that allowed it re-adjust its mode of relating and of actualizing its purpose in a way that serves others, that is not overly self-oriented. The soul is wanting to purge itself of a narcissistic self-image. There will be guilt linked to prior life behavior and this will need to be looked at in order to move forward. The soul has also been learning to look more deeply at itself as a response to going through crisis and being left with a desire to understand why such crises took place.

This soul’s father could have been very critical, judgmental, have held high standards, or been absent. There could have been abuse. There could have also been strong religious conditioning coming from the father figure. There could have been a lack of validation or love from the father, or the father expecting the child to follow closely in his own footsteps.

The karma the soul might have regarding being a parent could be similar, having been neglectful of the responsibilities of raising children, having been very strict or critical. There could have been power struggles of some sort with the children, feeling threatened by their uniqueness and specialness. There could have been abandonment, or separation based on feeling that the soul’s freedom was restricted by the children.

Being a parent might be a catalyst for evolution for this soul by giving them an opportunity to focus on something other than their work. Children would invite more emotional involvement, nurturing and compassion. Having children would be a way to channel their co-creativeness and special destiny in a way that serves others in a loving way. Children would ask the soul to practice patience, and detached compassion – feeling for their children but being separate from them. They would also learn to listen to the child to give them what they need.




Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Katherine on Jun 30, 2014, 05:44 AM
PPP & NN Libra/7th
The Soul has chosen to evolve and shift consciously from the perspective of an exclusively singular orientation toward an orientation that considers others.  
The frontier of relationship (or just relatedness) has the allure of the new, the vibration of potential energy. So, there is the access point of evolution: pushing the leading-edge of becoming both consciously and unconsciously through connection with other individuals.  However, propulsion into the unknown interrupts the momentum of self-consistency and ultimately threatens the Soul’s deepest sense of security.
The beginning stages of this shift will not immediately end up in the outer reaches of the Libra archetype of boundaryless-ness, co-dependent, enmeshed confusion, etc. Initially, the extremes function from the well practiced energy of Aries. The tendencies are to cyclically retreat or dominate.  Self-preservation has been firmly enforced during lives where the individual’s essential need for freedom was triggered/ jeopardized via e.g. entrapment- inconjunct to Scorpio/8th, oppression- Capricorn/10th, and repression- from Cancer/4th.  As the Soul begins to open toward others, this can feel like a sudden attraction, repulsion, or combination of.  (Awareness flashes through the primary brain and gut level.)  Commonly, this will switch, or flip-flop. Open up to someone (1, and 1, now 2) invites comparison. Once comparison is made the individual will never be the same, they have been impacted. New awareness may feel like an invasion of thought, as choice is mandatory: continue as before, or change. The thoughts (and source/persons) could be rejected or embraced on the basis the individual finds it/them freeing. Regardless or the particular choice, other perspectives of being compel the Soul to assess their own desires.
Sexual union contrasts the polarity of solitude. The physical and energetic bodies sharing intimate space provides an intensity of contact that does not inherently require much intellectual thought, verbal communication, or the attendant issues of conjuring the right words, filtering feelings/ emotions, and navigating societal norms of what is/is not appropriate to share.  Sex can become an outlet for physical and psycho-spiritual stress as the individual acclimates to other ways of relating.
Stepping in further toward the other, the individual recognizes that everyone has their own matrix of needs, their own hinterland between the known/security and the unknown/insecurity, whether or not there is any resonance. There could be a zeal (fire element of enthusiasm and passion) to share oneself escalating into imposing their way simply because another is open to it and allowing the space (air). The extreme is domination, setting off cycles of power struggles.  First-hand experience utilizing focus and presence aids in the capacity to listen. The practice of listening contributes to patience and evaluation.  
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still working.

Thank you, Ari.
God bless,
Katherine


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jun 30, 2014, 06:53 PM
Hi Emily and Katherine. Thank you for your posts. Just want to touch base - I'll be responding to your posts tomorrow.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jun 30, 2014, 11:57 PM
Hi Emily,

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Some places and ways the soul might learn about communication, listening and gentleness could be in a work setting, as a manger for example, instead of being authoritarian, the soul may find that people are more cooperative with a softer tone and more active listening. As a parent the soul would encounter the need to listen to children and their needs, and to be gentle with them. This could also be learned with friends, people being alienated by a more aggressive way of communicating, and in more intimate connections where softness is encouraged. It could also even be learned with a pet, where it is learned that gentleness receives a more desirable response.

In the second stage individuated the soul will be wanting to hold on very tightly to the individuality it has gained. There may be difficulty integrating the talents and gifts the soul has to offer into society. The soul may be a group of one at this stage, taking a big step back from others to decondition further from consensus/family values, beliefs and traditions. This is a soul that may find itself on the fringes of society, alone or with others of like-mind. The soul may be very judgmental of those living in consensus society, of government etc. There could also be a radicalization taking place around relationships. The soul could be opening up to a radical kind of self-compassion and compassion for others, in stark contrast to the competitive element of patriarchal living. There could be healing around a strong sense of victimization, blaming others for feelings of alienation. This could also be a talented artist.

Excellent, all true. To point out the nn and polarity point connection a bit more more fully I want to add that the polarity point of Pisces in the 4th might be activated here by way of the soul finding itself in community: learning to share/give on equal terms and to take care of and care for one another as opposed to what can otherwise be a very self isolating, competitive way of living as well as a tendency to feel victimized/burned down/oppressed/blocked.

In this stage the soul will be learning to focus on the needs of the group, not just its own self and its own self importance. Evolution would proceed as the soul learns the skills of cooperation and listening. That would eventually take the soul to the 3rd stage in which it can actually contribute its full individuality to society.

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In the second stage spiritual the soul may be overly attached to its role as some sort of spiritual leader. There could be a dependency on receiving validation from others/followers. The soul will be learning to relate to others in a more equal way. And learn to give from a place of pure compassion and love, without seeking something for itself in the giving. There is the potential to encounter lessons of humility, potentially through its role in society. The soul will be learning to listen through its service to others, through relationship and through family. There could be a progressive withdrawal from the public eye, or at least an internal detachment from the social role, surrendering more of the ego to will of God.

Since the sn is in Aries in the 5th there would not be a dependency on receiving validation from others/followers. Rather this soul will just know itself as a defacto leader type person and will magnetize/attract others who are drawn to follow this soul. Everything else you wrote is accurate.

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The SN and Pluto Gibbous phase indicates that the soul has been through/is going through a process of spiritualizing and humbling the ego. With Pluto in Virgo in the 10th and the SN in Aries in the 5th House, does this imply that the soul is humbling based on those SN actions? Or does the humbling implied by Pluto 6th come prior to those times?

The gibbous phase is Virgo-like in nature, so the soul would have been receiving feedback that allowed it re-adjust its mode of relating and of actualizing its purpose in a way that serves others, that is not overly self-oriented. The soul is wanting to purge itself of a narcissistic self-image. There will be guilt linked to prior life behavior and this will need to be looked at in order to move forward. The soul has also been learning to look more deeply at itself as a response to going through crisis and being left with a desire to understand why such crises took place.

Excellent, the last paragraph was right on. The gibbous phase will imply that the soul is learning to create self reflection. Virgo in the chart often correlates to where the soul is learning lessons in self accuracy and humility. Thus it is often the case that there was a lack of that in prior lives. Virgo in the 10th through the filter of Aries in the 5th may imply a soul that thought everything that it did was right and deemed itself appropriate to have total control. This of course may have lead (or will lead) to a crisis which then would create a sense of guilt, and possibly self doubt. The self doubt would be totally debilating because of the strong instinctual urges - thus this soul might often experience a strong impulse to act and do but also be held back by a deep uncertainty of itself.

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This soul’s father could have been very critical, judgmental, have held high standards, or been absent. There could have been abuse. There could have also been strong religious conditioning coming from the father figure. There could have been a lack of validation or love from the father, or the father expecting the child to follow closely in his own footsteps.

Great, I see those possibilities too. Also unreasonable expectations to be something great/important. The soul might feel a core impossibility of being the great leader/successful whatever that its father is "training" it to be - thus creating a sense of inferiority/inadequacy.

The karma the soul might have regarding being a parent could be similar, having been neglectful of the responsibilities of raising children, having been very strict or critical. There could have been power struggles of some sort with the children, feeling threatened by their uniqueness and specialness. There could have been abandonment, or separation based on feeling that the soul’s freedom was restricted by the children.

Being a parent might be a catalyst for evolution for this soul by giving them an opportunity to focus on something other than their work. Children would invite more emotional involvement, nurturing and compassion. Having children would be a way to channel their co-creativeness and special destiny in a way that serves others in a loving way. Children would ask the soul to practice patience, and detached compassion – feeling for their children but being separate from them. They would also learn to listen to the child to give them what they need.

Excellent Emily, I feel you understand the essence of this EA signature very well. Thank you for your work.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jul 01, 2014, 01:33 AM
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PPP & NN Libra/7th
The Soul has chosen to evolve and shift consciously from the perspective of an exclusively singular orientation toward an orientation that considers others. The frontier of relationship (or just relatedness) has the allure of the new, the vibration of potential energy. So, there is the access point of evolution: pushing the leading-edge of becoming both consciously and unconsciously through connection with other individuals. However, propulsion into the unknown interrupts the momentum of self-consistency and ultimately threatens the Soul’s deepest sense of security.

Every sentence feels like a very well crafted, distilled articulation of the essence of this soul's inner experience of evolution.

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The beginning stages of this shift will not immediately end up in the outer reaches of the Libra archetype of boundaryless-ness, co-dependent, enmeshed confusion, etc.

"Boundaryless-ness" as an archetype is Pisces (and water in general) whereas "boundary" is Capricorn (and earth in general).

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Initially, the extremes function from the well practiced energy of Aries. The tendencies are to cyclically retreat or dominate.  Self-preservation has been firmly enforced during lives where the individual’s essential need for freedom was triggered/ jeopardized via e.g. entrapment- inconjunct to Scorpio/8th, oppression- Capricorn/10th, and repression- from Cancer/4th.


That's accurate except Cancer doesn't by itself represent repression, that too is Capricorn.

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As the Soul begins to open toward others, this can feel like a sudden attraction, repulsion, or combination of.  (Awareness flashes through the primary brain and gut level.)  Commonly, this will switch, or flip-flop. Open up to someone (1, and 1, now 2) invites comparison. Once comparison is made the individual will never be the same, they have been impacted. New awareness may feel like an invasion of thought, as choice is mandatory: continue as before, or change. The thoughts (and source/persons) could be rejected or embraced on the basis the individual finds it/them freeing. Regardless or the particular choice, other perspectives of being compel the Soul to assess their own desires.

Sexual union contrasts the polarity of solitude. The physical and energetic bodies sharing intimate space provides an intensity of contact that does not inherently require much intellectual thought, verbal communication, or the attendant issues of conjuring the right words, filtering feelings/ emotions, and navigating societal norms of what is/is not appropriate to share.  Sex can become an outlet for physical and psycho-spiritual stress as the individual acclimates to other ways of relating.

Navigating social norms of what is/is not appropriate to share is Capricorn. Sex as an outlet for physical and psycho spiritual stress also feels more earth sign related.

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Stepping in further toward the other, the individual recognizes that everyone has their own matrix of needs, their own hinterland between the known/security and the unknown/insecurity, whether or not there is any resonance. There could be a zeal (fire element of enthusiasm and passion) to share oneself escalating into imposing their way simply because another is open to it and allowing the space (air). The extreme is domination, setting off cycles of power struggles.  First-hand experience utilizing focus and presence aids in the capacity to listen. The practice of listening contributes to patience and evaluation. 
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still working.

What else might the nn/ppp in the 7th house soul be learning through sexual intimacy?

Excellent Katherine. I really appreciate the quality of presence and attention you are offering to this signature and how that expresses through your writing. Of course you are welcome to continue to deepen this however you wish.

With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Katherine on Jul 01, 2014, 04:24 AM
Hi Ari,

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The beginning stages of this shift will not immediately end up in the outer reaches of the Libra archetype of boundaryless-ness, co-dependent, enmeshed confusion, etc.

"Boundaryless-ness" as an archetype is Pisces (and water in general) whereas "boundary" is Capricorn (and earth in general).

"Boundaryless-ness" is a Patricia Walsh term associated with Libra.
I hear you, and I recall the Pisces correlation that is true to EA. To me, what this word means, in this context, is less of a dissolving of self but an evaporation. Becoming SO involved with someone else (their ideas) and getting sucked into the mirroring...the projections. Because it's air, in its extreme it is so un-grounded that it disassociates and floats off. (I know disassociation has the connection to Aquarius via trauma and that floating feels more like Pisces...but the direction is up and out. Not drift and sink.) Bottom line: the energy is not maintained in a healthy way within the self.
Thank you for challenging me to be more clear! I hope I am making sense now?

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Initially, the extremes function from the well practiced energy of Aries. The tendencies are to cyclically retreat or dominate.  Self-preservation has been firmly enforced during lives where the individual’s essential need for freedom was triggered/ jeopardized via e.g. entrapment- inconjunct to Scorpio/8th, oppression- Capricorn/10th, and repression- from Cancer/4th.


That's accurate except Cancer doesn't by itself represent repression, that too is Capricorn.

I struggled with choosing the word 'repression' actually. Also, I did not cite my references to the Cardinal cross as much as I should have here, though it was all over my chicken scratch notes...
Here, I was trying to lean into the YIN qualities of the Cap - Cancer axis relative to the emotional body. I'm trying to get to the layering of these energies. Cancer comes before Capricorn in the zodiac and so very much defines the polarity of Capricorn. If we do not feel, if we do not recognize our vulnerability, and cultivate an inner sense of emotional security how can we stand tall and strong out in the world. The patterns of inner distortion magnify into the structure that informs the way we do everything else... maybe it's more of an emptiness. Or the retreating could be from others neediness. Hmmm.

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As the Soul begins to open toward others, this can feel like a sudden attraction, repulsion, or combination of.  (Awareness flashes through the primary brain and gut level.)  Commonly, this will switch, or flip-flop. Open up to someone (1, and 1, now 2) invites comparison. Once comparison is made the individual will never be the same, they have been impacted. New awareness may feel like an invasion of thought, as choice is mandatory: continue as before, or change. The thoughts (and source/persons) could be rejected or embraced on the basis the individual finds it/them freeing. Regardless or the particular choice, other perspectives of being compel the Soul to assess their own desires.

Sexual union contrasts the polarity of solitude. The physical and energetic bodies sharing intimate space provides an intensity of contact that does not inherently require much intellectual thought, verbal communication, or the attendant issues of conjuring the right words, filtering feelings/ emotions, and navigating societal norms of what is/is not appropriate to share.  Sex can become an outlet for physical and psycho-spiritual stress as the individual acclimates to other ways of relating.

Navigating social norms of what is/is not appropriate to share is Capricorn. Sex as an outlet for physical and psycho spiritual stress also feels more earth sign related.

Ok, yes. Once again, I wasn't clear about where/how I got that --> square to Cap. Because I think they would feel pressure, they would feel awkward because it's new, because they are starting to compare. And they would see the limitation in their capacity to filter what goes out, to know the rules. Stress and agitation, pent up energy--could be earth too. I could see that. Clearly, I did not explain well enough the bottom line I was getting about the sense of urgency to connect and the frustration of not knowing how to do that. And so, keeping contact relatively simple and direct...I'll need to think about this more.

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Stepping in further toward the other, the individual recognizes that everyone has their own matrix of needs, their own hinterland between the known/security and the unknown/insecurity, whether or not there is any resonance. There could be a zeal (fire element of enthusiasm and passion) to share oneself escalating into imposing their way simply because another is open to it and allowing the space (air). The extreme is domination, setting off cycles of power struggles.  First-hand experience utilizing focus and presence aids in the capacity to listen. The practice of listening contributes to patience and evaluation. 
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still working.


What else might the nn/ppp in the 7th house soul be learning through sexual intimacy?

To be continued...

Excellent Katherine. I really appreciate the quality of presence and attention you are offering to this signature and how that expresses through your writing. Of course you are welcome to continue to deepen this however you wish.
With love,
Ari Moshe

Thank you, Ari! You caught all the places it was sticky for me to explain.
I want to post tomorrow my ideas about NN-PPP in the 7th/ Libra for the various evolutionary states.

God bless,
Katherine


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jul 05, 2014, 07:19 PM
Hi everyone, I'm going away for a few days. on Tuesday we'll start with the next step.
With love,
am


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jul 10, 2014, 01:04 AM
Hi everyone, now we will add the nodal rulers.

For this assignment you may work with any chart: either continue to place the signatures wherever you wish, or use a real chart. If you make up your own chart what is necessary at this point is for you to place specific degrees for the placements of the symbols you are using. This will be important for our next practice when we start working with aspects. If you use a real chart its best to use the chart of someone well known - especially if they are dead.

With the chart of your choosing tune in to the Pluto and polarity point to determine the core evolutionary intention of this life time and where they are coming from on a soul level. Give that Pluto and the polarity point human context by adding the south and north nodes to describe the way the soul has and can facilitate their own evolution. Give that further context by adding the rulers of both nodes.

The ruler of the south node conditions the south node identity, it qualifies the south node identity with a real life context. The ruler of the south node along with the south node, all relative to Pluto - all by house sign and aspects - describe the core evolutionary past of the soul: where the soul is coming from: the kinds of desires the soul has had in the past that have created in total the past lives of the soul, and what that has looked like in the past.

The ruler of the north node describes how the soul will be evolving in this life; it is the way to the north node. The ruler of the north node along with the north node both by house sign and aspects all relative to the Pluto polarity point describe the core evolutionary intention of the soul: how the soul will evolve by way of choice making, which itself is linked to the desire to evolve, to know God. These signatures also describe what that evolution looks like - where the soul is actually going on the identity level as a reflection of its evolution.

When we look at the trinity of the sn, its ruler and Pluto as well as the trinity of the nn, its ruler and the polarity point whats most important is that we FEEL and tune into the core evolutionary theme. The actual story line and details are less important than grasping the essence. And so with this practice I invite everyone to allow this to be an opportunity for direct experience; for inwardly experiencing the truth that these signatures reflect.

Give yourself the time and space to sense the actual soul reality that these symbols, in totality point to, and then to describe that reality. It's not necessary to write everything out in a step by step manner (ie Pluto first, then sn and then the ruler of the south node) because in reality, it's all one - these symbols are in direct relationship with one another. However you choose to do this, remember to justify the astrological reasons for whatever it is that you write.

Note, I don't expect anyone to work with aspects at this point. It's of course important to understand that aspects and phases are a core part of chart interpretation. However putting aspects aside, it is still possible to glean so much core information from just the core EA symbols by themselves. In our next step we will work with aspects involving the core ea symbols.

Thank you all so much for allowing me to hold this space with you. With respect for all of you and for the sake of being in integrity with my word I want to acknowledge that I said I will post on Tuesday and that I'm now doing so on Thursday morning.

Please let me know who intends to continue on to this next step.

With love, in service
Ari Moshe




Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Emily on Jul 14, 2014, 03:17 PM
Hi Ari Moshe,

I plan to continue on to the next step.  Thank you so much for your responses to the last part and for this next opportunity.

-Emily


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Katherine on Jul 15, 2014, 07:22 PM
Hi Ari,
Will message you privately regarding my absence due to family emergency.

Thank you as always,
God bless,
Katherine


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Wei on Jul 19, 2014, 01:03 AM
Hi Ari, i will continue on to the next step. Thank you so much for your teaching.

Wei


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Emily on Jul 20, 2014, 01:03 PM
Hello,

Here's my attempt at integrating the rulers of the nodes. Thank you so much for your time, and the opportunity to practice here.

Blessings,
Emily

Pluto retrograde Gemini 3rd
SN Pisces 12th
Neptune retrograde Taurus 3rd (conjunct Pluto)
Neptune/Pluto square the nodes

PPP Sagittarius 9th
NN Virgo 6th
Mercury Virgo 7th

This is the chart of Dr. Edward Bach, 1886-1936. (I hope the birth time I found is correct) I think this soul is in the 1st stage spiritual. From Wikipedia, "he was a British physician, homeopath, bacteriologist and spiritual writer, best known for developing a range of remedies call the Bach flower remedies, a form of alternative medicine, inspired by classical homeopathic traditions."

From 'The Bach Flower Remedies', "Dr. Bach also departs from homeopathy in believing that by correcting harmful mental attitudes you can stop the disease from becoming physical or, more probably, you can treat the disease when it is at an energy level rather than grossly pathological. Even when it is grossly pathological you can assist, because you can greatly alleviate the mental component which may be causative or reactive to the physical problem."

From 'Heal Thyself' by Dr. Bach: "Suffering is a corrective to point out a lesson which by other means we have failed to grasp", "There is one great root cause of all disease, namely self-love, so there is one great certain method of relief of all suffering, the conversion of self-love into devotion to others.", "It is when our personalities are led astray from the path laid down by the Soul...that a conflict arises. This conflict is the root cause of disease and unhappiness."

This soul has been exhausting desires linked to curiosity and the gathering of lots of data. In this case the information that has been gathered is related to the body/health/spirituality (Neptune/Pluto trine Mercury in Virgo, Neptune in Taurus in the 3rd, the soul was a doctor in this life and perhaps past lives as well.)

There has been an intensified focus on learning, naming things and creating mental constructs to which there is a strong emotional attachment. Emotional security could be linked to 'knowing'. The soul has been focused on left-brain processes, asking why and investigating the world through reason. The soul has been identifying knowledge with power. There is possibility the soul has been collecting information indiscriminately and is overwhelmed. The soul would have had a penetrating mind, always asking why and looking for the weakest link in an argument. There could have been confrontations when the worldview became too limiting. There could be a need to draw the energy inward, there having been the tendency to absorb a lot of information from the environment without proper discrimination. And yet with the skipped steps applying to the south node in Pisces, maybe the soul is needing to be more open? Or to learn to let all of the information it gathers wash through it, knowing it is not the source of the information and thus not attaching to it?

The soul may have been bumping up against the natural limit of the mind, and perhaps resisted letting go of trying to rationalize or understand everything (Pluto/Neptune 3rd sq. the nodes). The Pluto skipped step also points to there having perhaps been intense resistance to surrendering - what I'm not entirely sure - control, power, soul to spirit? There may have been lifetimes of being immersed in Judeo/Christian belief systems. (Pisces/Virgo Nodes)

A dissolving of old mental constructs has already begun to take place and perhaps there's also been a resisting of this process. The soul is desiring to accept the limits of the mind, and to integrate the facts it has gathered into a larger whole. The soul is desiring to choose one system with which to organize all of the data it has accumulated and to let go of that which is contradictory and only serves to confuse. The soul desires to use the knowledge it has accumulated in service to others as a healer; of the body, mind and spirit.

The soul is on a path of integrating and applying the information it has gathered to real life situations as a healer. (PPP Sagittarius, NN Virgo). Dr. Bach put the information he gathered (Gemini) to use (Taurus) as a healer (Pisces/Virgo). He integrated his spiritual perspective into his healing practice. The evolution/growth for the soul in this life included breaking away from the traditional/materialistic medicine and developing his own unique healing technique. (NN Virgo, Taurus skipped step, Pluto/Neptune retrograde trine Mercury/Sun/Uranus).

The flower remedies use the subtle energy (SN Pisces, Neptune skipped step) of flowers (Sag PPP, Neptune in Taurus?) to address mental (Gemini) and emotional (Pluto, Gemini on the 4th, Chiron in the 4th) health. For him the root cause of physical disease is the mental/emotional/spiritual state.(Pluto Gemini 3rd, and Pisces)

Whereas in the past the soul may have been very dependent on collecting data from outside of himself, part of the intended movement for the soul is to strengthen the intuition (PPP Sagittarius) and form a direct inner connection to source and directly experience nature. (Neptune 3rd Taurus, square the nodes, PPP Sagittarius) Desiring to develop more self-trust and trust in God is perhaps also indicated.(Pluto placement/aspects) In developing the flower essences, he would tune in and listen to his own emotional experience while he was sitting outside with the plants. He then used his own direct experience and intuition to discern the uses of the flowers.

The flower remedies and their method of preparation/use is very simple in my opinion (Taurus, Pisces), yet addresses the complex range of human emotions. There is a compassion for humanity and the earth. (Neptune in Taurus trine Sun/Uranus Libra 7th) He ended up working in a realm that is outside the bounds of allopathic medicine, and his work continues to be used long after his death. Apparently Dr. Bach "encouraged others to keep his remedies 'free from science, free from theories'". He shared the information he collected from his own experience with others (via many case histories) for the benefit/betterment of all through his practice and writing.(Mercury Virgo 7th) He would have been a natural compassionate counselor, inquisitive and intuitive.

The soul is in the process of spiritualizing and purifying the desire nature and specifically this is related to the gathering and use of information. Which information to collect and why. Wanting the information to serve in some way. The soul would perhaps have been very attuned to the use of its words, the effect they have on others and if they are helpful or harmful. This soul could also have been very sensitive to the words of others. And had perhaps experienced much loss due to a conflict of opinions or beliefs. There is a metamorphosis of the mental faculties taking place.


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jul 22, 2014, 12:14 PM
Hi Emily, thank you for your work.
What an interesting chart you chose! I'm excited to learn more about this soul. Before I respond, will you post the birth data and source where you got the data from?


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Emily on Jul 22, 2014, 02:51 PM
Hi Ari Moshe,

The birth data is:

September 24, 1886
5:20 pm
(Moseley)Birmingham, UK - I just used Birmingham, UK

I found the time here: http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Edward_Bach

Blessings,
Emily



Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: rita on Jul 23, 2014, 10:51 AM

Hi Ari and group,
Thank you for the opportunity and i am sorry to have taken so long to complete this work.


SN /Pluto First house in Leo, ruler Sun in Gemini in the 11th house:

Because the SN is in Leo ( SUN), this signature shows that this could be a re-live life situation, and as it is in Leo it would be the individuals need to reject to any voice that tells it what to be,  who it is  and how to act. By rebelling, it has left behind all the past in this and other life times, and has wanted to do it its own way.  Because it is in Leo, it could have to do with children,  by creatively actualizing itself through re doing the same in this life time in a different way, that is by allowing its children´s ideas, values and  personalities to be expressed at its fullest and not want to be the main focus or the captain of the ship at all times.
Let us suppose this is a re-live situation and this individual has come into this life with the need to creatively actualize itself through having children. These children would be raised in a very open and free manner totally different from the individuals upbringing, in a way defying the family traditions and by the choices the individual makes bringing trauma to the family.
Being in Gemini it would show us that for this individual to get its idea across is important. It wants to validate its ideas by communicating its views of life to others and the exchange of ideas with the others is how the individual gets to know what it really resonates to.

This individual periodically will free it self of any shackle that it feels it is impeding its continual self discovery by being show totally detached to any societal values, by feeling totally alienated to most people and seek small groups so as to feel it belongs some where or simply isolating itself from society for periods of time, until it feels compelled for evolution to continue, to venture again into a new adventure in search of it self.
The individual may be attracted to some way of life and will become part of it also not to feel the deep inner feeling of being so different it has.
The Sun in Gemini in the 11th house, indicates that this individual will come into this life totally detached its ideas about itself,  one way or another. It will have confrontations with many people who do not share its points of views or the way it lives its life in order to reinforce the individuals desire to do it own way away from any consensus values. It will also realize that the news it brings are only news and are very subjective to the individuals interests in life, and may not interest others.
Gemini Sun 11th house this individual may have a very practical outgoing nature, bonding easily with like minded groups until different points of views
It will always be getting information that it happily shares with who ever is willing to hear, seeking some form of approval for its ideas, decisions or where it stands in relation to the world. This individual could have always felt very alienated towards its siblings and family,  school may also have been lonely, because it felt so different from those around.
Friends/ siblings /immediate family could feel threatened by the individuals ideas, desires as these desires where perceived by others as crazy/ too forward/ not done….
The need for approval / acceptance or simply being acknowledged, by those the individual cares about gives the Leo SN the security it unconsciously gravitates to for  its security, although deep, deep in its unconscious it knows, it never really feels understood or accepted.

The intent with the North node in Aquarius in the 7th house in relation to Pluto/ South node first house in Leo, and the Sun in the 11 house in Gemini, would imply that the individual has been answering its own questions  surrounding what is life about and where the individual stands in relation to others. The individual would continue what it was already doing which was, to learn through the relationships it forms in its life to listen to the other and to objectify itself and take into consideration the needs of the others. It would also by understanding and listening to the others know when to give and when not to give.
It would also learn objectivity as far as freedom and relationships, realizing that it could have both things, by having a balanced approach to the two things.

namaste
rita


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jul 24, 2014, 02:16 PM
Hi Emily and Rita and everyone else,
I need to offer my full focus to some other things in my life that require more immediate attention. I'll be back here after by Monday. Emily, I'm very excited to learn more about Bach and to examine his chart here with you. Rita thank you for your post. I truly look forward to sitting with your work.
With much love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jul 28, 2014, 11:13 AM
Hi Emily,

For anyone who is following - here is a three part youtube video series on Edward Bach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qawj-0Uotw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qawj-0Uotw)

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Pluto retrograde Gemini 3rd
SN Pisces 12th
Neptune retrograde Taurus 3rd (conjunct Pluto)
Neptune/Pluto square the nodes

PPP Sagittarius 9th
NN Virgo 6th
Mercury Virgo 7th

This is the chart of Dr. Edward Bach, 1886-1936. (I hope the birth time I found is correct) I think this soul is in the 1st stage spiritual. From Wikipedia, "he was a British physician, homeopath, bacteriologist and spiritual writer, best known for developing a range of remedies call the Bach flower remedies, a form of alternative medicine, inspired by classical homeopathic traditions."

From 'The Bach Flower Remedies', "Dr. Bach also departs from homeopathy in believing that by correcting harmful mental attitudes you can stop the disease from becoming physical or, more probably, you can treat the disease when it is at an energy level rather than grossly pathological. Even when it is grossly pathological you can assist, because you can greatly alleviate the mental component which may be causative or reactive to the physical problem."

From 'Heal Thyself' by Dr. Bach: "Suffering is a corrective to point out a lesson which by other means we have failed to grasp", "There is one great root cause of all disease, namely self-love, so there is one great certain method of relief of all suffering, the conversion of self-love into devotion to others.", "It is when our personalities are led astray from the path laid down by the Soul...that a conflict arises. This conflict is the root cause of disease and unhappiness."

This soul has been exhausting desires linked to curiosity and the gathering of lots of data. In this case the information that has been gathered is related to the body/health/spirituality (Neptune/Pluto trine Mercury in Virgo, Neptune in Taurus in the 3rd, the soul was a doctor in this life and perhaps past lives as well.)

There has been an intensified focus on learning, naming things and creating mental constructs to which there is a strong emotional attachment. Emotional security could be linked to 'knowing'. The soul has been focused on left-brain processes, asking why and investigating the world through reason. The soul has been identifying knowledge with power. There is possibility the soul has been collecting information indiscriminately and is overwhelmed. The soul would have had a penetrating mind, always asking why and looking for the weakest link in an argument. There could have been confrontations when the worldview became too limiting. There could be a need to draw the energy inward, there having been the tendency to absorb a lot of information from the environment without proper discrimination. And yet with the skipped steps applying to the south node in Pisces, maybe the soul is needing to be more open? Or to learn to let all of the information it gathers wash through it, knowing it is not the source of the information and thus not attaching to it?

Yes to both questions.

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The soul may have been bumping up against the natural limit of the mind, and perhaps resisted letting go of trying to rationalize or understand everything (Pluto/Neptune 3rd sq. the nodes). The Pluto skipped step also points to there having perhaps been intense resistance to surrendering - what I'm not entirely sure - control, power, soul to spirit? There may have been lifetimes of being immersed in Judeo/Christian belief systems. (Pisces/Virgo Nodes)

Yes on the resistance to surrendering. And definitely strong pl exposure to the western mode of thinking of God/Truth to which he gave total and complete meaning to, only to the point where he found himself completely distanced from the direct, pure connection to Source. Why do you think he resisted surrender? Why did he come into this current life initially immersed in the western model of thinking?

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A dissolving of old mental constructs has already begun to take place and perhaps there's also been a resisting of this process. The soul is desiring to accept the limits of the mind, and to integrate the facts it has gathered into a larger whole. The soul is desiring to choose one system with which to organize all of the data it has accumulated and to let go of that which is contradictory and only serves to confuse. The soul desires to use the knowledge it has accumulated in service to others as a healer; of the body, mind and spirit.

Excellent. The core of this is knowledge that connects to the purity and simplicity of life, not knowledge that creates false security by way of sound logical conclusions.

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The soul is on a path of integrating and applying the information it has gathered to real life situations as a healer. (PPP Sagittarius, NN Virgo). Dr. Bach put the information he gathered (Gemini) to use (Taurus) as a healer (Pisces/Virgo). He integrated his spiritual perspective into his healing practice. The evolution/growth for the soul in this life included breaking away from the traditional/materialistic medicine and developing his own unique healing technique. (NN Virgo, Taurus skipped step, Pluto/Neptune retrograde trine Mercury/Sun/Uranus).

The flower remedies use the subtle energy (SN Pisces, Neptune skipped step) of flowers (Sag PPP, Neptune in Taurus?)

I'm not completely sure what flowers would correlate to.

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to address mental (Gemini) and emotional (Pluto, Gemini on the 4th, Chiron in the 4th) health. For him the root cause of physical disease is the mental/emotional/spiritual state.(Pluto Gemini 3rd, and Pisces)

Whereas in the past the soul may have been very dependent on collecting data from outside of himself, part of the intended movement for the soul is to strengthen the intuition (PPP Sagittarius) and form a direct inner connection to source and directly experience nature. (Neptune 3rd Taurus, square the nodes, PPP Sagittarius) Desiring to develop more self-trust and trust in God is perhaps also indicated.(Pluto placement/aspects) In developing the flower essences, he would tune in and listen to his own emotional experience while he was sitting outside with the plants. He then used his own direct experience and intuition to discern the uses of the flowers.

Excellent. And that's a great expression of how he partly resolved the skipped steps.

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The flower remedies and their method of preparation/use is very simple in my opinion (Taurus, Pisces), yet addresses the complex range of human emotions. There is a compassion for humanity and the earth. (Neptune in Taurus trine Sun/Uranus Libra 7th) He ended up working in a realm that is outside the bounds of allopathic medicine, and his work continues to be used long after his death. Apparently Dr. Bach "encouraged others to keep his remedies 'free from science, free from theories'". He shared the information he collected from his own experience with others (via many case histories) for the benefit/betterment of all through his practice and writing.(Mercury Virgo 7th) He would have been a natural compassionate counselor, inquisitive and intuitive.

The soul is in the process of spiritualizing and purifying the desire nature and specifically this is related to the gathering and use of information. Which information to collect and why. Wanting the information to serve in some way. The soul would perhaps have been very attuned to the use of its words, the effect they have on others and if they are helpful or harmful. This soul could also have been very sensitive to the words of others. And had perhaps experienced much loss due to a conflict of opinions or beliefs. There is a metamorphosis of the mental faculties taking place.

Excellent. The discernment and ultimate narrowing in on what kind of information he is seeking, how he is seeking it, and was was a big part of his soul work. I read that he would place his hands over the various flowers and pay attention to his own inner sensations. That is an expression of the 3rd house: he was collecting  data through the senses and then cataloging it. What was needed was an underlying inner emptiness, trust and surrender so as to allow a primarily inductive experience of knowledge (Pisces) as opposed to a deductive one that would be obtained through more intense mental focusing (Virgo).

Great work Emily - you understand and clearly expressed the core ea dynamics of this soul. Here is one more question if you are called to go into it: The ruler of the nn was not addressed too much. What does that speak to here?

I really enjoyed learning about this soul, I got a lot out of that. Thank you for your work and for this exposure.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Jul 28, 2014, 11:45 AM
Hi Rita,

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Hi Ari and group,
Thank you for the opportunity and i am sorry to have taken so long to complete this work.

SN /Pluto First house in Leo, ruler Sun in Gemini in the 11th house:

Because the SN is in Leo ( SUN), this signature shows that this could be a re-live life situation, and as it is in Leo it would be the individuals need to reject to any voice that tells it what to be,  who it is  and how to act. By rebelling, it has left behind all the past in this and other life times, and has wanted to do it its own way.  Because it is in Leo, it could have to do with children,  by creatively actualizing itself through re doing the same in this life time in a different way, that is by allowing its children´s ideas, values and  personalities to be expressed at its fullest and not want to be the main focus or the captain of the ship at all times.

Let us suppose this is a re-live situation and this individual has come into this life with the need to creatively actualize itself through having children. These children would be raised in a very open and free manner totally different from the individuals upbringing, in a way defying the family traditions and by the choices the individual makes bringing trauma to the family.

Defying family traditions is not implicit in these signatures. For that we need need to check in with the Saturn/10th house/Capricorn dynamics in the chart.

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Being in Gemini it would show us that for this individual to get its idea across is important. It wants to validate its ideas by communicating its views of life to others and the exchange of ideas with the others is how the individual gets to know what it really resonates to.

This individual periodically will free it self of any shackle that it feels it is impeding its continual self discovery by being show totally detached to any societal values, by feeling totally alienated to most people and seek small groups so as to feel it belongs some where or simply isolating itself from society for periods of time, until it feels compelled for evolution to continue, to venture again into a new adventure in search of it self.

The individual may be attracted to some way of life and will become part of it also not to feel the deep inner feeling of being so different it has.

All this is possible, especially if we're looking at a soul in the individuated stages.

The Sun in Gemini in the 11th house, indicates that this individual will come into this life totally detached its ideas about itself,  one way or another. It will have confrontations with many people who do not share its points of views or the way it lives its life in order to reinforce the individuals desire to do it own way away from any consensus values. It will also realize that the news it brings are only news and are very subjective to the individuals interests in life, and may not interest others.[/quote]

This can be true. The core of this is freedom of thought, freedom of the mind: the creative purpose of the soul to liberate and detach from any kind of thinking that limits clear logical constructs. So to see things scientifically and develop a greater capacity for clear observation. With that Sun ruling the sn this soul will naturally know itself as having a specific and unique purpose to actualize in this world linked to the intellectual faculties.

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Gemini Sun 11th house this individual may have a very practical outgoing nature, bonding easily with like minded groups until different points of views
It will always be getting information that it happily shares with who ever is willing to hear, seeking some form of approval for its ideas, decisions or where it stands in relation to the world. This individual could have always felt very alienated towards its siblings and family,  school may also have been lonely, because it felt so different from those around. Friends/ siblings /immediate family could feel threatened by the individuals ideas, desires as these desires where perceived by others as crazy/ too forward/ not done….

All that is possible. The last two sentences are an excellent point. This signature can reflect a creative genius who spends a lot time alone doing their own thing, totally engrossed in their own mental fascinations. In this sense there may also be challenges with knowing how to socialize with others since this soul is totally fixated on their own individuality, they may not easily give attention to anything that they are not impassioned about.

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The need for approval / acceptance or simply being acknowledged, by those the individual cares about gives the Leo SN the security it unconsciously gravitates to for  its security, although deep, deep in its unconscious it knows, it never really feels understood or accepted.

The intent with the North node in Aquarius in the 7th house in relation to Pluto/ South node first house in Leo, and the Sun in the 11 house in Gemini, would imply that the individual has been answering its own questions  surrounding what is life about and where the individual stands in relation to others.

This nn is not about answering one's own questions.

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The individual would continue what it was already doing which was, to learn through the relationships it forms in its life to listen to the other and to objectify itself and take into consideration the needs of the others. It would also by understanding and listening to the others know when to give and when not to give.
It would also learn objectivity as far as freedom and relationships, realizing that it could have both things, by having a balanced approach to the two things.

Great work Rita. You described these ea signatures accurately, with the exception of my corrections. Here are a couple focus questions for you if you'd like:

Since the ruler of the sn is in the 11th house clearly the "Aquarius" archetype is not new to this soul. What then is the soul learning through the north node in the 7th in Aquarius?

What would this sn Pluto in leo in the first with the Sun in Gemini in the 11th look like in a fruitive karmic condition?
Thank you for your work Rita!

With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Emily on Aug 03, 2014, 07:56 PM
Hi Ari Moshe,

Thank you for your response and questions. I am grateful for the opportunity to learn.

-Emily


Why has this soul resisted surrender?

I'm having a hard time with this question but have these ideas:
 
Perhaps the resistance to surrendering has come from the fear of breaking away from the community that the soul has been a part of. The soul has been receiving positive feedback from others and perhaps resisted letting go of that - being dependent on that for a sense of self-worth to a certain degree. Also there could have been a strong feeling of security in being part of a community with others who shared the same beliefs. The soul has felt safe with the limited vision its had. Yet the soul also has a strong desire to know the truth. The soul has maybe been in a position of power in the community and was very attached to that identity.

The resistance could also have been coming from fear of death/the void/letting go of the known/being consumed by larger forces. There could have been a resistance to letting go of what previously held meaning, and yet meaning was naturally lost anyway, forcing the soul to look deeper within itself. It has maybe been easy for the soul to hide and just go along with others. There's perhaps been guilt or fear around breaking away, of letting go, of disrupting the status quo. Fear of losing the mind. Fear of confrontation. Fear of isolation. He was also perhaps dissociated from his natural desires.


Why did he come into this current life initially immersed in the western model of thinking?

Perhaps to re-live dynamics that he was desiring to liberate from. He perhaps still had lessons around self-worth regarding following his intuition, and doing no harm. He was very driven to go his own way and to speak his truth, break away from the established medical community, and be a group of one - or two or three as the case may be.


Ruler of the North Node, Mercury Virgo 7th house:

In this case the ruler of NN reflects that this soul is fulfilling its destiny through its service to others. The soul is learning about the relativity of truth - of what constitutes ultimate truth vs. subjective reality. The soul is a natural healer, counselor, writer, and very astute in his observations of people. His work involved discerning personality patterns. He analyzed, categorized and diagnosed. It also seems he was a workaholic and lost himself in the care of others. He took care of others to the detriment of his own health, which led to a personal health crisis. He went through a phase of being a more traditional western doctor and it seems may have experiencing a crisis of sorts around not wanting to participate in that system, to finding a more gentle way to treat his patients, which then led to a crisis/conflict between himself and the medical community. And yet, he was able to do his work in relative peace and helped many people.


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Aug 05, 2014, 12:43 PM
Hi Emily,

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Why has this soul resisted surrender?

I'm having a hard time with this question but have these ideas:
 
Perhaps the resistance to surrendering has come from the fear of breaking away from the community that the soul has been a part of. The soul has been receiving positive feedback from others and perhaps resisted letting go of that - being dependent on that for a sense of self-worth to a certain degree. Also there could have been a strong feeling of security in being part of a community with others who shared the same beliefs. The soul has felt safe with the limited vision its had. Yet the soul also has a strong desire to know the truth. The soul has maybe been in a position of power in the community and was very attached to that identity.

The resistance could also have been coming from fear of death/the void/letting go of the known/being consumed by larger forces. There could have been a resistance to letting go of what previously held meaning, and yet meaning was naturally lost anyway, forcing the soul to look deeper within itself. It has maybe been easy for the soul to hide and just go along with others. There's perhaps been guilt or fear around breaking away, of letting go, of disrupting the status quo. Fear of losing the mind. Fear of confrontation. Fear of isolation. He was also perhaps dissociated from his natural desires.

What you wrote is accurate. To me the essense of his fear of surrender is the need for control: nn in Virgo in the 6th. In prior lives he has been overly identified with the  mental faculties: classifying and labeling EVERYTHING to the point that the mind, even if it be full of medical knowledge, became an obstruction to true healing. The paradox of that seemed to reach a critical point in the life of Bach.

In your answer above you emphasize the theme of liberation/disrupting the status quo, breaking away from what others think/the positive feedback of others etc - which are all Uranian themes. That is all true. This soul had a new phase Sun Uranus conjunction in Libra in the 7th (with Jupiter there as well, ruling the 10th house) - which both rule the 6th and 12th houses.

This leads me to another question, if you so desire. Why did this soul chose a Leo Moon?

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Why did he come into this current life initially immersed in the western model of thinking?

Perhaps to re-live dynamics that he was desiring to liberate from. He perhaps still had lessons around self-worth regarding following his intuition, and doing no harm. He was very driven to go his own way and to speak his truth, break away from the established medical community, and be a group of one - or two or three as the case may be.

Yes. To me it was about coming into a context that would allow him to exhaust the remaining desires which would then set the stage for the work he did in that lifetime.

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Ruler of the North Node, Mercury Virgo 7th house:

In this case the ruler of NN reflects that this soul is fulfilling its destiny through its service to others. The soul is learning about the relativity of truth - of what constitutes ultimate truth vs. subjective reality. The soul is a natural healer, counselor, writer, and very astute in his observations of people. His work involved discerning personality patterns. He analyzed, categorized and diagnosed.

It also seems he was a workaholic and lost himself in the care of others. He took care of others to the detriment of his own health, which led to a personal health crisis. He went through a phase of being a more traditional western doctor and it seems may have experiencing a crisis of sorts around not wanting to participate in that system, to finding a more gentle way to treat his patients, which then led to a crisis/conflict between himself and the medical community. And yet, he was able to do his work in relative peace and helped many people.

Excellent. And the observing/diagnosing others is emphasized with that Mercury conjunct the Sun/Uranus Jupiter conjunction in Libra in the 7th.

You understand all this very well Emily. Thank you for your contribution and for taking the time to do this.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: rita on Aug 06, 2014, 10:34 AM

Hi Ari and group,
In reply to your questions,

NN in the 7th house in Aquarius ruler of the South Node 11th house in Gemini:

With this signature the individual has already some familiarity with the Archetype of Aquarius, it has been de-conditioning from all that prevented it in the past from discovering who it is.
The relationships it has formed and will continue to form in this life time will help it fulfill the NN intent in the 7th house. This will be done through the interchange of ideas with others who will also be of like mind, helping the individual feel it belongs somewhere. These relationships will help the individual learn to listen to the needs of others, instead of continually put itself in the front line, the other partner will some how through shock or some traumatic action show it that it is not thinking of the other, but itself first.   
This life time  the main focus will be on the relationships it creates with others and through them it will learn that it has to have balance and treat the other as an equal. When the individual will forget to take into consideration the other, confrontations and shocks will occur. The other may walk out tired of always being second best, this loss, would make the individual retreat unto itself. It would heal the wounds by returning and isolating itself in the unconscious familiarity and security of the first house South Node and ask itself why is this happening?
The creative purpose with the Sun 11th house in Gemini shows us that this individual needs to validate its ideas or what it has picked up as information in the news, and pass it on to the next person it finds it would be of interest to. As it passes on this new info it will create a reaction upon the others, that will make it realize that what it knows is shallow and not always what it seems. This creates the individual to question why others are reacting the way they do.
The individual through the relationships it forms, it learns through comparing and contrast who it is and where it stands in relation to all others. It will seek people of like minded ideas who will help it liberate itself from any conditioning that it may still hold on to, so as to continue its evolution. All this is done through the shocks it receives from the relationships it forms, reminding it to think, listen and take into account the others needs before its own. These shocks will take the individual to its old contort zone, into isolation from others so as to go within, understand so as to shed what it no longer needs. In this specific chart the ruler of the 11th house is in the 12th house in Cancer, showing us that the shocks would primarily come from the family. The family`s values, ideas and how it should or not be, came into shock with the individuals ideas, ways and detached nature of the individual since day one.
The individual will fulfill its evolutionary intent  what ever stage in its evolution it is in when it puts the others before itself and realize that its needs will be met, simply because it could objectify itself and put the others before itself.

Thank you Ari for your dedication and sorry it took so long,

Namaste
rita



Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: Emily on Aug 07, 2014, 07:45 AM
Hi Ari Moshe,

Thank you so much for your feedback and for asking this question, I was wanting a better understanding of the Moon in this chart.

Blessings,
Emily

Why did this soul choose a Leo Moon?

The Leo Moon shows that in the life of Dr. Bach the soul knew its life purpose and was focused on fulfilling it. The soul was perhaps 1) working on gaining self-confidence in order to become full of itself in a way that propelled it to do its own special work in life, and/or 2) the soul was also working on humbling itself with regard to actualizing its purpose. (Leo Moon in the 6th, ruling Saturn in the 5th, all the Virgo)

There was a transformation of the form the life purpose was taking. The soul was a gifted and generous healer (Leo 6th), but the structure of the healing practice shifted into a new form as previously held core beliefs/societal conditioning were being outgrown and a spiritualizing was underway. (Saturn/Moon new phase, Mars (9th)/Moon disseminating square, Pluto/Mars gibbous, Virgo/Pisces Nodes)

The soul needed to be pretty full of its sense of special destiny and driven to fulfill it in order to break away from the life previously lived, facing the confrontation with the medical community and voluntarily letting go of the medical license, being that disenchanted with western medicine.

The soul in that life felt a strong desire to withdraw from the social/urban life in order to go deeper within and connect with nature and spirit. The soul also had an intense need to provide a meaningful service to society. (Moon Leo 6th semi-square Sun Libra 7th)


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Aug 07, 2014, 10:38 AM
Hi Rita, your post regarding the question: "Since the ruler of the sn is in the 11th house clearly the "Aquarius" archetype is not new to this soul. What then is the soul learning through the north node in the 7th in Aquarius?"

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NN in the 7th house in Aquarius ruler of the South Node 11th house in Gemini:

With this signature the individual has already some familiarity with the Archetype of Aquarius, it has been de-conditioning from all that prevented it in the past from discovering who it is.

Specifically Gemini, so the theme has been about freedom from opinions and ideas taken to be fact.
 
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The relationships it has formed and will continue to form in this life time will help it fulfill the NN intent in the 7th house. This will be done through the interchange of ideas with others who will also be of like mind, helping the individual feel it belongs somewhere. These relationships will help the individual learn to listen to the needs of others, instead of continually put itself in the front line, the other partner will some how through shock or some traumatic action show it that it is not thinking of the other, but itself first.
   
This life time  the main focus will be on the relationships it creates with others and through them it will learn that it has to have balance and treat the other as an equal. When the individual will forget to take into consideration the other, confrontations and shocks will occur. The other may walk out tired of always being second best, this loss, would make the individual retreat unto itself. It would heal the wounds by returning and isolating itself in the unconscious familiarity and security of the first house South Node and ask itself why is this happening?

The creative purpose with the Sun 11th house in Gemini shows us that this individual needs to validate its ideas or what it has picked up as information in the news, and pass it on to the next person it finds it would be of interest to. As it passes on this new info it will create a reaction upon the others, that will make it realize that what it knows is shallow and not always what it seems. This creates the individual to question why others are reacting the way they do.

That might be one expression of the Sun in Gemini in the 11th. A core creative purpose for this soul is, and has been (ruler of sn) to see things as they are, and put pieces of information together to form a holistic understanding of an entire organism. Thus they have been learning to observe a field of data and see how all the pieces fit together into a whole. This can be writing, working with media, scientific facts, astrology etc. What we know is that the mind is highly developed and there is a great openness and lots of energy for thinking and creating.

The challenges with that is being bombarded in the thoughts with all kinds of information, data, facts, things to consider that it becomes like an overloaded computer with too much data to sort out. So this soul is truly learning how to become an observer of their own thoughts. Relative to the sn in the 1st, this soul can constantly be high strung with consistent thinking and adopting to different groups of people based on their need to know how to interact with all kinds of people, be sociable, be a part of the community so that they can be appreciated/ special (1st house leo). This can be a soul that observes how other humans interact, and like an alien from another planet trying on human clothing, will adopt to that behavior.

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The individual through the relationships it forms, it learns through comparing and contrast who it is and where it stands in relation to all others. It will seek people of like minded ideas who will help it liberate itself from any conditioning that it may still hold on to, so as to continue its evolution. All this is done through the shocks it receives from the relationships it forms, reminding it to think, listen and take into account the others needs before its own. These shocks will take the individual to its old contort zone, into isolation from others so as to go within, understand so as to shed what it no longer needs.

In this specific chart the ruler of the 11th house is in the 12th house in Cancer, showing us that the shocks would primarily come from the family.
The family`s values, ideas and how it should or not be, came into shock with the individuals ideas, ways and detached nature of the individual since day one.

Is this a real chart? If you sense this is ethical and healthy, I invite you to share a little bio of this soul and your estimation of their evolutionary stage. This is for the purposes of determining know what these astrological symbols actually refer to. You may also add the ruler of the nn if you'd like.

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The individual will fulfill its evolutionary intent  what ever stage in its evolution it is in when it puts the others before itself and realize that its needs will be met, simply because it could objectify itself and put the others before itself.

Everything you wrote is accurate. I want to add some more insight to this. With the Sun in the 11th in Gemini ruling the sn, there already is a very intelligent and mental orientation to life. However that orientation has been about their own self creative purpose: it has not inherently been about building relationship (nn in 7th). In the 11th house there certainly is community, groups of people, friends etc - however with it leading to the sn the question comes up: is there true friendship?

I have a friend with a similar signature. His sn is in Leo in the 1st and his Sun is in Libra in the 3rd. He's a very loving and friendly soul - and also an amazing musician. Very good ear. He doesn't come across as narcisistic, however he consistently faces a wall in relationships wherein his partners don't feel the connection and eventually break the relationship, often suddenly (Aquarius in the 7th). He's a Libra, so he's all about giving and sharing right? With the Sun in the 3rd house he's also able to adopt well and socialize with all kinds of people. Since the sn is in Leo in the 1st, the giving and sharing has to some extent been about the need to be seen, to be loved, to be adored. He's also got a Pluto in the 5th which as a bottom line is the need to be seen.

To fully embrace the nn in Aquarius in the 7th he would have to let go of attachment to being loved, adored, appreciated as that keeps him from truly opening his heart and sharing WHO he really is with others. He gives a lot (Libra Sun) and is friendly with lots of people, however the nn implies the evolutionary lesson to truly be himself, not manipulate with duplicit relationship skills so that he can be liked. Thus he is also learning how to truly listen and hear other people without it having to do with himself. It's impossible to truly hear another if there are personal unresolved desires seeping its way into the relationship.

So it can be a similar dynamic here with the chart you are working with. This soul with the Sun in Gemini in the 11th might be very friendly and sociable but ruling the sn in Leo in the 1st and Pluto being there as well, we have to wonder if there is real connection and sharing going on - or it the mental adaptability and sociability is just serving their own needs to be loved, adored etc. So that's where the nn expresses the Aquarius archetype in a new way for this soul. It's about really learning to be in relationship as oneself, and thus detached enough from personal need which enables the soul to truly listen to other people.

Please feel free to share more or ask more about any of this if you'd like.
Thank you for your beautiful continued work and contribution Rita.
With love,
Ari Moshe


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: rita on Aug 08, 2014, 06:38 AM
Hi Ari,
Thank you for the corrections and yes, the chart exists. It is my chart that i took as an example for the work. I would not use someone else´s chart, so the ethics question would never be a problem.
Thank you again for your kind words
namaste
rita


Title: Re: New EA beginners practice thread
Post by: ari moshe on Aug 08, 2014, 11:23 AM
Hi Emily,

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Why did this soul choose a Leo Moon?

The Leo Moon shows that in the life of Dr. Bach the soul knew its life purpose and was focused on fulfilling it. The soul was perhaps 1) working on gaining self-confidence in order to become full of itself in a way that propelled it to do its own special work in life, and/or 2) the soul was also working on humbling itself with regard to actualizing its purpose. (Leo Moon in the 6th, ruling Saturn in the 5th, all the Virgo)

There was a transformation of the form the life purpose was taking. The soul was a gifted and generous healer (Leo 6th), but the structure of the healing practice shifted into a new form as previously held core beliefs/societal conditioning were being outgrown and a spiritualizing was underway. (Saturn/Moon new phase, Mars (9th)/Moon disseminating square, Pluto/Mars gibbous, Virgo/Pisces Nodes)

The soul needed to be pretty full of its sense of special destiny and driven to fulfill it in order to break away from the life previously lived, facing the confrontation with the medical community and voluntarily letting go of the medical license, being that disenchanted with western medicine.

The soul in that life felt a strong desire to withdraw from the social/urban life in order to go deeper within and connect with nature and spirit. The soul also had an intense need to provide a meaningful service to society. (Moon Leo 6th semi-square Sun Libra 7th)

Thanks for that analysis. Everything you wrote makes sense to me. He definitely needed to develop lot of trust in himself in order to take the bold steps that he took.

Some more observations about the Moon: The Moon, as well as the 6th house, is ruled by the Sun which is a part of that stellium with Merucry Uranus and Jupiter in the 7th: liberation from other people's projections, beliefs, ideas, points of views etc. A part of life's purpose (Sun) was focused around listening to others from a higher, more intelligent and holistic view point, and freeing himself from the need to be accepted and understood by others.

The Moon reflects how the soul pictures himself from within: his own self image. In this case Leo in the 6th implies a strong sense of purpose and need to develop his work according to calling of his purpose. This ego structure was the needed self orientation that really allowed him to follow the path of his destiny; to confidently move forward step by step with self respect and dignity no matter what other people thought about it.

With love,
Ari Moshe