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 on: Today at 07:55 PM 
Started by ari moshe - Last post by Wei
Hi Ari, thanks for clarifying the difference between how souls seek the truth/explain the truth in spiritual state, i was confused about it.
Love
Wei

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 on: Today at 11:20 AM 
Started by ari moshe - Last post by ari moshe
Hi Wei,

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SN in 3rd house Libra

SN in 3rd house Libra soul has been collecting lots of information through various relationships in past lives. 3rd house is a yang mutable archetype, correlate to left brain, they are very intelligent soul with broadly knowledge, restless, need to observe/explain details/theory/facts in logical /rational/scientific way, not necessarily understand deep meaning behind facts. They need to collect as much information as they can to communicate/form relationship with others. In this way they feel safe and comfortable. They are natural talker who can hear/nurture what others really need/want to hear, they can be great writer/news journalist/debaters. They identify with linear/rational/empirical intellectual constructions, need to compare every aspect/everyone’s point of view about certain issue. Add libra archetype, they may form relationship with every kind of people, compare everyone’s intellectual construction, try to have their own stable way to interprete everything. The way they see themselves is shaped by information they absorbed, and feedback from others, everytime they are settled with one conclusion of who they are, they will absorb new contrary information, this could lead to split/various personality or feeling of "there is no ego, i am the information i collect".

Their relationship is usually based on intelligence/knowledge they resonate with. It's possible they are attracted to intelligent partner, absorb all thoughts/point of view of the partner, collect information they feel (projection) the other need them to, so they can catch up in conversation, the partner could be seen as know everything (which 3rd/libra SN soul feel they need to know), thus create extreme dependency in relationship, SN 3rd libra soul needs to be nurtured by other's knowledge/advice, they store all kinds of information to please/gain favor of partner, they may talk about stuff without understanding the deep meaning, just quote. The other case could be opposite, they may be the smart one, nurture others with their knowledge/tips, make others dependent on them, they may try to rationalize emotion in relationship, they may know all kinds of theory and give others advices all the time, but not really identify with those tips, they may not listen to the real needs of others at all.

All well said. Another aspect to it would be their ability to use words and communicate in a helpful way. Libra being the psychology of listening where the 3rd house is actual hearing. They may be very skilled at using words and speaking to various people in ways that they can hear. This is the signature of a soul who may be truly gifted at writing, offering helpful feedback etc.

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NN in 9th house Aries

Soul with 3rd house libra SN can be very defensive about their point of view, but they will relate to people with different thought, confront others who are used to right brain/intuitive thinking who has strong self-awareness and very convincing about their beliefs, SN 3rd libra soul will be questioned about their intellectual construction, social butterfly/smooth talker/superficial chit-chat just won’t work, they will be forced to dig deeper into meaning of those facts they have been collecting. By compare different point of view, they will realize “smart” is relevant, truth can be beyond science, they will have more open mind about this world we live in, learn to connect to their intuition, balance left/right brain energy, have a whole picture instead of collecting details.

They will also realize that there is limitation when we observe things in human body, we can only collect so much information, the way to find truth is to turn inside. The soul need to learn to align with their own truth without other’s advice or approving, put energy into what's important for them, what nurtures/connects to them, cut off superficial relationship, and to break the pattern in relationship such as: which aspect of me do you prefer" "what do you want me to say" "how do you want me to react".

When their relationship get extreme(they may lose their identity in too many relationships, they may get bored when no one can satisfy their needs to grow), they will have crisis/sudden separation/lost which force them to retreat from relationship, to be alone, allow them to explore new experiences, pursue their desire, be free/true to themselves, to find who they are, what they need, how to nurture their emotional body, then stop the endless facts collecting to please/impress others, just be who they are in a natural way. Also they will learn how to listen/communicate with others in a balanced relationship, learn when to/not to talk/give advice, have meaningful conversation. They can be great teacher who can touch the essence of what they teach, teach others how to be natural/balanced in relationship. They can also be truth fighter, pioneer figure, encourage other people to do the same.

Consensus state

In consensus state, SN 3rd libra soul will collect information reflect the trend of mainstream, they will watch news, follow what's popular, adopt authority or professional's view as their own, share with others. They need to grow with collecting more knowledge which helps them to be successful in society. They will develop communicative skill, maintain as many relationship as they can as resources if it’s defined as successful by their culture/society. They can be reporter/journalist serves the government(such as propaganda department), they may follow/spread fashion trends without their own style, follow popular topic/celebrities, don't think in their own, or very gossip people tweet/retweet all the time. They can be relationship counselor who quotes from expert/authority, give advices without listening to others.
When they exhausted by all the information/theory/facts which has nothing to do with themselves, get lost in all shallow relationship, they will forced to retreat to themselves, to calm their mind, realize everyone's reality is different, they need to learn what's relevant to their own truth. There is no need to be seen as smart/communicative by everyone, then only form meaningful balanced relationship. They may adopt some philosophy/belief system/religion reflects their ego structure, learn to be brave to spread their own opinion, teach others to be themselves, to think by their own, have a new self-image.

Individuated state

In this state, gemini/libra archetype manifest in a uranian way, they will form relationships with like-minded people. Their knowledge system reflects their evolutionary state and their desire to evolve, they will think in their own, beyond mainstream popular trends, they need to express themselves in a unique way. They are aware of other culture, fellow what's going on in the world, form relationship with people from other culture, travel/study in foreigner country. Through these new experiences they can develop their new self-image, improve their knowledge system, break free from limitation of their own culture/old thinking pattern, identify themselves more as a world citizen. In a higher state, they can be scientist who help society to evolve, change the way consensus people think. They can produce great TV program/news to tell the truth in a rebel way, built media empire, fight for the truth, create things such as Google/Facebook/ twitter, connect the world together, help others to band with like-minded soul, feel comfortable/safe to express their special identity.

Spiritual state

Spiritual state soul may identify themselves with all kinds of spiritual information, involve with too many different practice without develop one deeply, project GOD on so many spiritual mentor, learn from them, relate to them, so they can have GOD within/be GOD. By jumping from one spiritual/cosmology system to another, their mental structure just get more unstable. (I have a question, in spiritual state, do they still intend to explain the nature of Creation logically?)


Jumping from one spiritual cosmology to another would be more like Gemini in the 9th.
Using logical constructs as a primary way to understand creation is relevant to the individuated stages: the intelligence being the bottom line.

Remember, we are describing the nature of the self image, so this is the filter through which the soul will emotionally relate to and integrate its human experience. In the spiritual state, no matter where the south node is, the soul will be seeking direct experience of God beyond just the mind.

Regarding things like how the soul might explain the nature of creation, it depends on the dynamics of the chart. For example I have a lot of Sag/Gemini synthesized in my chart, so in part its relevant for me to be logical when explaining the truth. The key however is that I don't try to use logic to reach the truth. That again would be more individuated stage.

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In other cases, they can be spiritual teacher who is defensive labout their spiritual system, debate with people from other systems.

With NN in 9th aries, they need to realize there are many ways leads to truth, they should align with spiritual/cosmology system which is intuitively right for them, they can even integrate information they have learned, develop a new/unique system for themselves to know the truth. In this way they can be a real master, share his experiences, teach others/write spiritual/philosophy books reflects natural law, help others to find their way to truth.
 
Thanks for this thread, i really enjoy learning from everyone!

Thank you for your post Wei! Everything you wrote expresses an accurate and clear understanding of the nature of the nodal axis.
With love,
Ari Moshe

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 on: Today at 06:33 AM 
Started by Rad - Last post by Rad
Hi Ari,

Thanks for taking the time to do this. I am having real problems in my internet connection: the famous intermittent connection thing. I have to get this resolved before I can respond to anything right now.

God Bless, Rad

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 on: Today at 05:24 AM 
Started by cat777 - Last post by Rad
HI Kristin, Linda, cat, and Skywalker,

I feel you have come to the end of this incredible adventure together in our Neptune thread. We will be closing out this thread in one weeks time. All of this material, and more, is going into a book on Neptune. All of you who have participated will receive a free copy of that book when it comes out. If you have any other questions please ask them of me within a week's time.

God Bless, AND THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR ASTOUNDING CONTRIBUTION TO EA.

Rad


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 on: Apr 17, 2014, 10:05 PM 
Started by Rad - Last post by ari moshe
Hi Rad, here I analyze some of the core elements of Neptune regarding the overall nature of the consciousness of the Soul of Darwin and why that consciousness. This is not exhaustive, nor did I touch upon all of the principals you stated, just a few of them. I got a lot out of this and look forward to reading some other of the posts here. Thank you for this opportunity Rad. God bless.

Analysis of Darwin’s Neptune
Darwin had Neptune in Sag in the 12th house, culminating the 12th house close to the AC. Saturn is in a balsamic conjunction with Neptune. Saturn in Sag in the 12th which rules the 2nd house. In the second house is the Moon in Capricorn which is in a tight semisquare with Neptune – completely culminating the new phase. Neptune itself rules Pisces which is packed and intercepted within the 3rd house. Neptune’s ruler, Jupiter is in Pisces in mutual reception with Neptune. They are in a first quarter phase with one another.

Pluto is in Pisces in the 3rd, again ruled by Neptune and squaring Neptune and Saturn – disseminating square. Mercury is conjunct Pluto and squares Neptune Saturn as well – first quarter square.

The south node of Neptune is conjunct Chiron in Aquarius in the 2nd house and is square to the nodes of the Moon – crescent phase square to the north node in Scorpio in the 11th, disseminating phase square to the south node in Taurus in the 5th. The ruler of the south node of Neptune is Uranus in Scorpio which leads back to Pluto which itself leads back to the Neptune/Jupiter mutual reception.

The north node of Neptune is in Leo in the 8th, also squaring the lunar nodes. The ruler of the north node of Neptune is the Sun in Aquarius in the 2nd house. The ruler of that being Uranus which then leads to the same final rulership as with the south node.

It’s great to finally be working on Neptune with this chart because in many ways his Neptune does represent a bottom line in that it is the final ruler, along with Jupiter, of so many planets and houses in the chart.

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“Consciousness always exists relative to the nature of any form it exists within”
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This relates to the entire conditioning of the soul: including the totality of all that has conditioned the structural reality of its incarnation, and how the collective consciousness and history of the entire species as well shapes the overall consciousness of the soul. Darwin’s very consciousness was structured in such a way that it sought an underlying philosophical, comsmological perspective that weaves together and integrates an understanding of the totality of the human species itself to explain how the total affects of the past have conditioned all the forms of the present moment.

This soul has become depressed upon itself to reflect upon how the existing form came to be. This soul was not just taking the existing form for granted: the balsamic phase with Neptune and Saturn, Neptune culminating in the 12th, and the strong aspects to the Pisces planets. This lifetime symbolized a profound culmination and point of reflection for this soul. This soul was reflecting upon the total history (Saturn) of the entire species and how that history has created the existing forms. The reason for this was based on a deep emotional need to find cosmological consistency, something that he could believe in and thus provide meaning and context to the totality of his life as well as the totality of life itself.

Within the consciousness of Darwin himself is a long standing history of traveling, seeking, investigating, exploring and finding things out for himself. Yet that movement has a foundation on some very deep past unresolved traumas. A part of that links to a past of being part of groups of people that lived together and gathered together in tribes in order to survive: Sn of Neptune in Aquarius in the 2nd. He has a soul memory of such experiences. There was great wounding relative to two dynamics: One, the lack of community support: that in some way there was the dynamic of “each one for them self”, a lacking of cooperation and sharing (square to the nodes, Taurus/Scorpio axis) within the communities/tribes he has been a part of. This also relates to where various people, upon being born with particular genetics/physical conditions, would be designated to a particular lot in life and role within the community – sometimes being disregarded entirely. Two, and this feels like a core and fundamental dynamics, where tribes of people, various groups, would compete with other tribes for resources including invasions and desecration of land/posessions. With Chiron on the sn of Neptune with the sn of Chiron itself in Aries in the 4th squaring the Moon this soul has been left alone – abandoned and wounded at a core level. Venus in Aries ruling Taurus on the 6th further adds to the past of being alone and feeling inadequate to survive and make it on his own, not having what he needed, and needing to learn to fend for himself against all kinds of adversity and challenges.

One of the main affects this had on the overall consciousness of the soul is that he would eventually begin to picture the ultimate meaning and purpose of life to be random and meaningless. Eventually, he began to picture reality as being a wide open vast space mandated by total chaos. There would also have been lifetimes in which this soul felt utterly abandoned by God (linked to the affects of the Christianity conditioned lifetimes).

This has also affected the soul’s consciousness to the point of experiencing the physical survival elements of life in purely objective, scientific terms: stripped of any love. He eventually dissociated from the sensual and loving relationship to his physical biological reality in order to survive – which itself is linked to a deep loss of innocence due to the dire conditions of survival reality. The current life Moon semi square to Neptune further emphasizes the need for this soul to go inside, get safe, be healed and nourished so that he wasn't just operating on purely mental/objective terms; that he is actually in his body taking care of basic needs. The Moon in so many ways points to how this soul in the life of Darwin was really seeking to ground out and create inner emotional stability after having experienced so much trauma. The semi square being about slowing down and building a life for emotional support and embodiment further emphasizing how much that has lacked in the past.
 
The implication of this soul having been part of tribes that have traveled/ moved around for the sake of survival is found in Neptune in Sag in the 12th, relative to its south node in Aquarius in the 2nd and its ruler being in Scorpio in the 11th. The underlying cosmology of these tribes was linked to nature itself and navigating with the forces of nature (such as the stars). However with Saturn there with Neptune, and its own sn in Cap in the 2nd, it’s clear that progressively these “natural” cosmologies were replaced by man made versions of God that emphasized absolute moral judgments and thus lead to a great repression of all kinds of natural biological human urges. These cosmologies completely separated humans for their personal and direct relationship with nature.

Thus survival, and the fulfillment of basic human needs and urges, became restricted according to patriarchal judgments and constructs of “what is right”. Relative to Neptune, this soul has needed to place ultimate meaning of a cosmology that would justify such judgement. In other words he needed to completely identify with a religious construct relative to the extent that he carried guilt about his own basic biological needs.

This created a series of lifetimes where this soul would have, again, been a part of various groups of people that deemed themselves to be “saved” because of the nature of their beliefs (group survival dynamics). This became a religious justification for why some people are well to do, and other people are struggling: because of some sort of invisible God that is rewarding those who deserve it and punishing those who don’t. Thus the idea of privilege and status equaling survival and comfort. Again, it brings us back to the sn of Neptune in the 2nd house: issues of survival and ultimate meaning.

As we know, this soul has cyclically been incredibly overwhelmed and distressed by the plethora of questions that would go unanswered. Also, as has been discussed with Saturn, the hypocrisy and moral inconsistencies of the various religious leaders and teachers he was exposed to ultimately lead to a disillusionment.

This disillusionment, relative to the total conditioning of the soul then placed his own personal survival at a very delicate state: how will he survive when there is nothing to believe in?

He has struggled with his own needs for a long time it seems – to survive in a world that, as described above, has no inherent meaning. To cease identification with the church's doctrine places him in a state of groundlessness in terms of where to place his faith. And its clear that there have been past life dynamics of total chaos, living according to no law other than his own - Saturn balsamic to Neptune in Sag in 12th. Creating his own ego-centric reality where the world essentially served him according to whatever his needs were.

Self interest and selfishness, as well as creating trauma for others by way of his self interest was a way of personally working out the loss of meaning in life. Underneath the anarchy was a deep anger and rage at there being no God, nothing to believe in, no one out there to "protect and take care of me". It's a build up of all the trauma and effort this soul has endured to find some sort of meaning as a way of surviving and making his way in the world. Having witnessed and been affected by such evil among many groups of people and such religious corruption has at some point lead to a state of deep anger to the point of giving up on "morality".

Relative to he core egocentric structure of this soul, this has expressed through the psychology of a little boy who is just angry to be out there all alone: Venus in Aries on the IC ruling the sn. It's the Mars in Libra and its square to the Moon as we have discussed that has implied a gravity within his soul to in fact learn cooperation and sharing where he has otherwise gotten "stuck" and in trouble for disregarding "the law". The inner challenge is that while "getting along" nicely in the world was something that he has had to learn - it has also required such a deep repression of all that anger and rage.

His past behaviors of course created great guilt within this soul. The nature of this guilt fundamentally roots in a violation of natural law – which is actually based on the principals of inclusivity, not self interest. The life of Darwin was a healing of that to some extent in which he was able to offer a contribution to society in a way that supported him (livelihood, fame) yet simultaneously served to bring healing and comfort to many many souls in that it offered a cosmological context that held more objective clarity than the blind Christian beliefs of the time. Thus what he offered was a form of forgiveness that stripped away any God-in-sky judgement from reality.

Another dynamic I want to speak to here is one of utter aloneness: Neptune with Saturn in the 12th relative to the sn of Neptune 2nd, with Chiron squaring the nodal axis. This soul has become philosophically/spiritually stubborn and fixed to determine for himself the TRUE nature of things for the sake of his OWN survival. Without a cosmology to back him up, he would be privy to the beliefs of the collective. It is the momentum of the collective beliefs of his time that has propelled this soul to determine the truth out for himself. Otherwise he would be either “lost” or “saved” according to factors beyond his control. Thus his own “survival” mechanism has literally been to utterly detach himself from any perspective, point of view – all the Pisces in the 3rd squaring Neptune – and draw conclusions from his own direct experience.

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“However the collective and individual consciousness of the soul defines the source of creation is exactly how the source will be experienced.”

First, the nature of that principle is just amazing to contemplate. Darwin’s theory of natural selection implies that over time, through a process of natural selection within any species, a species will evolve more and more with the dominant qualities of the traits that are favorable. Within that this also implies that as a species evolves, it will become more and more specialized for a particular ecological niche http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_niche (preponderance of specific traits as a result of natural selection) which itself can eventually result in the emergence of a new species. This places the notion of “creation” as a process that is shaped entirely by preferences within any species which, by way of the preferences, will dictate the direction and course of any species' evolution. In natural selection there is no intentional choice or ability to direct evolution (as opposed to artificial selection: when humans intentionally breed certain traits in species) but rather only a natural process of any biological species seeking optimal conditions for survival.

This directly points to a relationship with “god” or “source of creation” that is entirely oriented towards the collective intention within all species to survive. It is stripped of love and there is no notion of divine providence, of principals of cause and effect that operate on more subtler planes. This soul would perceive, Pluto Pisces 3rd, reality as having no inherent meaning other than natural biological processes that dictate all of reality. The ultimate meaning and source of creation itself would be the biological impulse to orient towards better life conditions and the evolutionary process that results because of such impulses.

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“How the awareness of the Whole by any one Soul can correlate to how that one Soul gives itself to the needs of that Whole in order for that Whole to be served and sustained because of that giving.”


As stated, Darwin was supplying a collective need for greater meaning and understanding. At a time when there was a prevalent dogma and, within the consensus, scientific views that tended to always in some way harmonize with the biblical views, Darwin saw himself as on a special mission to, in a sense, save those who are needing to see the truth. He wouldn't have thought of it as “saving” though he would have pictured himself to have a special role to play. His own sn in Taurus in the 5th and the south node of Neptune in Aquarius in the 2nd relative to natal Neptune points to this soul’s natural ability and sense of “purpose” to actualize a creative purpose for the masses, all by himself. He would have been devoted to this work – not just for his own personal survival and success (though that was a very real reality for him) but also, deep within because of a true compassion for other humans and a desire to alleviate their own suffering. This is an inherent truth within this soul – as he has faced such immense suffering due to the extremes of religious belief and group traumas. On a purely emotional level, perhaps a level he would not have been able to reconcile with, he would have a feeling of having served a higher purpose that he was destined to serve.

The north node of Neptune being in Leo in the 8th house which by rulership takes us back to the 2nd and then back to the 11th house. This growth for this soul has been and is to "get out of the well" which would perpetuate a very narrow and purely mental scope of life experience. Neptune in Sag in the 12th relative to Leo in the 8th and trining one another is about commitment to share with the world a personal creative actualization which then takes him beyond the narrow scope his own karmic pattern of feeling alienated and not fitting in anywhere. With the ruler, the Sun, being int he 2nd house - it implies a re-creation of his orientation to survival: to share and create something inspiring for the world.

This ultimately adds the dimension of Love. For he loved his work and he found genuine joy and the emotional of connectiveness in pondering and writing about the nature of reality. It's these emotions of joy and connectiveness that are the seeds for this soul's blossoming spirituality which will ultimately re-shape his notion and understanding of survival and evolution itself.

With love
Ari Moshe

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 on: Apr 17, 2014, 06:09 PM 
Started by Linda - Last post by Linda
Hi Rad and members,


A friend recently sent me this quote, and asked, "Is this the Universal Laws (Natural Laws) you speak of Linda?"


Quote from the book, Femininity Lost and Regained, by Robert A. Johnson:


"As westerners, we have yet to learn that every action sets off a counter action at the opposite end of the scale.....A high cultural achievement will engender a corresponding darkness. A creation sets in motion a corresponding destruction. The cultural or creative act can be maintained if it's corresponding opposite is honoured and given equal consciousness. WE ARE SO ABYSMALLY UNAWARE OF THIS LAW THAT WE HAVE NO ADEQUATE LANGUAGE FOR IT.  How can you say that you must destroy as much as you create without sounding as if you were denying the whole cultural process? To create without paying tribute to destruction is as impossible as attempting to breathe in without breathing out...."



Below was my response to her:


My understanding is this:

As a Soul, we have two desires. One is a "separating" desire, away from Source. The other is a "returning" desire, returning to Source. A separating desire can be for a new car, job, lover, project, ANYTHING AT ALL.  This kind of desire generates karma because of the "DESIRE" nature itself. Once a desire has been EXHAUSTED, the Soul then has a "returning" desire, to return to Source, that is, peace replaces that desire.

A realized Spiritual Master, in the 3rd stage Spiritual, has only one desire: to serve Source, and has exhausted countless desires along the Soul's evolutionary journey.  These Souls are rare.

So, to let something "go" or die, to exhaust a desire, to let go to destruction is actually a good thing.

If you look at an example in Nature - and this is what Natural Law is all about - we get a tree growing from a seed - which then grows into a tree - grows buds - bares young fruit - then the fruit matures - and if not eaten, falls down to the ground - where it merges with the soil to become compost. This is the Natural Law of life and decay.

This Natural Law can be interpreted in terms of Universal Law too, by way of the Source of all things creating a universe, and then that universe being destroyed and ceasing to exist. This is called the natural
retraction principle of the Manifested Creation.

DEATH is a Scorpio archetype.  Our culture does not have a great understanding of death, since most Souls are not evolved to the level where they understand reincarnation, or have memories of past lives, or even resurrection into another body. These things are set out in the book of Sri Yukteswar, who was a galactic astrologer, and the guru of Yogananda ("Autobiography of a Yoga"), called "THE HOLY SCIENCE."

Here's a quote from the EA Glossary:

" An excellent book is 'On Death and Dying' by Elisabeth Kubler-Ross. Of course Yogananda also explained in many of his teachings the actual transition from physical death of the body of the astral realm of the Soul. In his autobiography there is a chapter on the ‘resurrection’ of his own guru, Yukteswar, which could not be more graphic in actual detail. I also remember a chapter in Yukteswar’s book, 'The Holy Science,' where he describes step by step the transition of the Soul from physical death to the astral plane. "


Don't forget that philosophers can say such and such, but the test of their hypothesis is, "IS IT EVIDENT IN NATURE?" in Natural Law? People will say all sorts of things, and devise all sorts of spiritual ideas, and believe just about anything.

I will post this question to the EA message board, and get back to you.

So, of course, death is very NATURAL. Just about everything that was ever created will have a natural ending. Similarly, every desire that a Soul has, will naturally become EXHAUSTED some time in the future, or in future lives.


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Rad, can you please address the Natural Law of Life and Death, and the natural retraction principle of the Manifested Creation, in terms of EA understanding.

Exactly what does this mean, "Every action sets off a counter action at the opposite end of the scale" ?

Thanks so much!

Love,

Linda

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 on: Apr 17, 2014, 12:43 PM 
Started by Steve - Last post by Rad
Lavrov Announces Deal to 'De-Escalate Tensions' in Ukraine

by Naharnet Newsdesk
17 April 2014, 19:51

Russia, Ukraine, the U.S. and EU reached a surprise deal Thursday on de-escalating the worsening Ukrainian crisis, in a ray of hope for the former Soviet republic that has plunged into chaos.

The agreement reached in Geneva comes as a strong contrast to earlier hawkish comments made by Russian leader Vladimir Putin, who left the door open for intervention in Ukraine.

A ban by Kiev on all Russian males aged 16 to 60 from entering Ukrainian territory had also ratcheted up the tensions, with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov calling the measure "disgusting".

But after half a day of talks, the four parties agreed on steps to "restore security for all citizens", including a call to disband armed groups that have taken over buildings in Ukraine "illegally".

While not spelt out in the agreement, these groups could refer to pro-Kremlin separatists who have seized control of government buildings and taken over parts of Ukraine's southeast, destabilizing the country.

"All illegal armed groups must be disarmed, illegally seized buildings returned to their rightful owners," Lavrov said as he briefed reporters about the deal reached with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, Ukraine's Andriy Deshchytsya and EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton.

Washington and Kiev have accused Russia of supporting the militants who have occupied buildings such as police stations and government bases, but Moscow has always categorically denied this.

Lavrov also said Russia had "no desire" to send troops into Ukraine, toning down earlier comments by Putin.

Warning that Ukraine was plunging into the "abyss" just hours after three separatists were killed in a gunbattle with troops in eastern Ukraine, Putin had stressed he hoped not to have to use his "right" to send Russian troops into its western neighbor.

"I very much hope that I am not obliged to use this right and that through political and diplomatic means we can solve all the acute problems in Ukraine," he said in his annual televised phone-in with the nation, in a signal the option was on the table.

The upper house of parliament on March 1 authorized the Russian leader to send troops into Ukraine after pro-Kremlin president Viktor Yanukovych was ousted, and Moscow later went on to annex Ukraine's Russian-speaking Crimean peninsula.

Russia has now massed tens of thousands of troops at the border and has warned Kiev's untested new leaders -- whom it does not recognize as legitimate -- not to unleash force in Ukraine.

Accordingly, Kerry warned Russia that if there was no progress on de-escalating the crisis in Ukraine, "there will be additional sanctions, additional costs."

The United States and European Union have already imposed punitive sanctions on key Russian and Ukrainian political and business officials, including members of Putin's inner circle.

And the European Parliament on Thursday said the European Union should act "against Russian firms and their subsidiaries, especially in the energy sector, and Russia's EU assets".

So far, though, any further sanctions appear to have been put on hold.

Russia's annexation of the Crimea peninsula last month escalated a crisis that has shaped up to be the worst East-West standoff since the Cold War.

On Thursday, Kerry said the West is "not giving up" on peninsula, "but we did not come (to Geneva) to talk about Crimea."

Each side came to the Geneva talks armed with a very specific set of demands, and the West and Kiev had aimed to persuade Moscow to demobilize the militias.

Ukraine's Security Service said it was detaining 10 "Russian spies" arrested over the past six weeks on suspected missions to stir up unrest in the country, further implying Russia's role in the destabilization of the country.

But Russia has blamed Kiev's interim leaders -- installed by Ukraine's parliament in February after the overthrow of Yanukovych following months of protests -- for pushing the country dangerously close to a civil war.

The agreement also called on all sides to refrain from violence, intimidation and provocation, as well as to reject extremism in all shapes.

Kerry told reporters that notices were sent to Jews in a Ukrainian city believed to be in the east, asking them to identify themselves as Jews -- a move he condemned as "grotesque".

"In the year 2014, after all of the miles traveled and all of the journey of history, this is not just intolerable, it's grotesque. It is beyond unacceptable," he said.


Separately, the European Union announced Thursday it had agreed to hold talks with Russia on its gas supplies to Europe through Ukraine, warning Moscow its reliability as an energy source was at stake.

The announcement came even as Putin ramped up pressure on Ukraine by setting a one-month deadline for Kiev to settle its debt for gas imports from Russia.

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 on: Apr 17, 2014, 12:41 PM 
Started by Rad - Last post by Rad
Lavrov Announces Deal to 'De-Escalate Tensions' in Ukraine

by Naharnet Newsdesk
17 April 2014, 19:51

Russia, Ukraine, the U.S. and EU reached a surprise deal Thursday on de-escalating the worsening Ukrainian crisis, in a ray of hope for the former Soviet republic that has plunged into chaos.

The agreement reached in Geneva comes as a strong contrast to earlier hawkish comments made by Russian leader Vladimir Putin, who left the door open for intervention in Ukraine.

A ban by Kiev on all Russian males aged 16 to 60 from entering Ukrainian territory had also ratcheted up the tensions, with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov calling the measure "disgusting".

But after half a day of talks, the four parties agreed on steps to "restore security for all citizens", including a call to disband armed groups that have taken over buildings in Ukraine "illegally".

While not spelt out in the agreement, these groups could refer to pro-Kremlin separatists who have seized control of government buildings and taken over parts of Ukraine's southeast, destabilizing the country.

"All illegal armed groups must be disarmed, illegally seized buildings returned to their rightful owners," Lavrov said as he briefed reporters about the deal reached with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, Ukraine's Andriy Deshchytsya and EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton.

Washington and Kiev have accused Russia of supporting the militants who have occupied buildings such as police stations and government bases, but Moscow has always categorically denied this.

Lavrov also said Russia had "no desire" to send troops into Ukraine, toning down earlier comments by Pig Putin.

Warning that Ukraine was plunging into the "abyss" just hours after three separatists were killed in a gunbattle with troops in eastern Ukraine, Putin had stressed he hoped not to have to use his "right" to send Russian troops into its western neighbor.

"I very much hope that I am not obliged to use this right and that through political and diplomatic means we can solve all the acute problems in Ukraine," he said in his annual televised phone-in with the nation, in a signal the option was on the table.

The upper house of parliament on March 1 authorized the Russian leader to send troops into Ukraine after pro-Kremlin president Viktor Yanukovych was ousted, and Moscow later went on to annex Ukraine's Russian-speaking Crimean peninsula.

Russia has now massed tens of thousands of troops at the border and has warned Kiev's untested new leaders -- whom it does not recognize as legitimate -- not to unleash force in Ukraine.

Accordingly, Kerry warned Russia that if there was no progress on de-escalating the crisis in Ukraine, "there will be additional sanctions, additional costs."

The United States and European Union have already imposed punitive sanctions on key Russian and Ukrainian political and business officials, including members of Putin's inner circle.

And the European Parliament on Thursday said the European Union should act "against Russian firms and their subsidiaries, especially in the energy sector, and Russia's EU assets".

So far, though, any further sanctions appear to have been put on hold.

Russia's annexation of the Crimea peninsula last month escalated a crisis that has shaped up to be the worst East-West standoff since the Cold War.

On Thursday, Kerry said the West is "not giving up" on peninsula, "but we did not come (to Geneva) to talk about Crimea."

Each side came to the Geneva talks armed with a very specific set of demands, and the West and Kiev had aimed to persuade Moscow to demobilize the militias.

Ukraine's Security Service said it was detaining 10 "Russian spies" arrested over the past six weeks on suspected missions to stir up unrest in the country, further implying Russia's role in the destabilization of the country.

But Russia has blamed Kiev's interim leaders -- installed by Ukraine's parliament in February after the overthrow of Yanukovych following months of protests -- for pushing the country dangerously close to a civil war.

The agreement also called on all sides to refrain from violence, intimidation and provocation, as well as to reject extremism in all shapes.

Kerry told reporters that notices were sent to Jews in a Ukrainian city believed to be in the east, asking them to identify themselves as Jews -- a move he condemned as "grotesque".

"In the year 2014, after all of the miles traveled and all of the journey of history, this is not just intolerable, it's grotesque. It is beyond unacceptable," he said.


Separately, the European Union announced Thursday it had agreed to hold talks with Russia on its gas supplies to Europe through Ukraine, warning Moscow its reliability as an energy source was at stake.

The announcement came even as Putin ramped up pressure on Ukraine by setting a one-month deadline for Kiev to settle its debt for gas imports from Russia.

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 on: Apr 17, 2014, 10:39 AM 
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                    Pluto transiting the 1st house and/or Mars[/b][/b]:

    Before discussing the specific evolutionary intentions of Pluto transiting the 1st house  or forming an aspect to Mars through transit we must review Aries/1st house/Mars archetype. We must also review the connection between the two planets Pluto and Mars.
     The Aries/1st house/Mars archetype correlates with a brand new cycle of evolutionary becoming. As such, the need for freedom and independence in order to discover what the new cycle is about is emphasized in this archetype. Another core correlation is self-discovery through the initiation of any actions that are deemed necessary by the individual to initiate. In other words, the need for freedom and independence is linked with the need for self-discovery and the initiation of a new evolutionary cycle (with what is to come, or in the state of continual becoming). The ability to ask and answer ones own questions from within is reflected in this archetype.
    Another important correlation is to fear. Fear can have many different sources and applications. A core point within this is that fear can be linked with the restriction of personal freedom and the necessary process of self-discovery. In addition, anger can manifest when this critical process is restricted. It is also important to note that  anger can be inappropriately applied/projected onto others or life circumstances that appear to be the cause of such restrictions. It should be clear that anger can also have many different causes and is reflected in this archetype. (The natal house/sign position of Mars indicates the specific nature of fear).  Anger can be used in a constructive or destructive manner in regards to creating positive change by becoming free from inner limitations/dynamics that are causing limitations towards further growth.  In other words,  anger can be used positively to accelerate growth beyond unnecessary personal limitations.
     It maybe helpful to review the connection between Mars and Pluto in order to develop a more comprehensive understanding of this transit. Mars is the lower octave of Pluto. A lower octave is a denser expression of a higher vibration. Mars is often called the conscious expression of Pluto because the unconscious desires contained within the Soul (Pluto) are transmitted to Mars. In this way, we can become aware in a conscious way of the nature of our desires. Mars correlates with a continual state of action, or momentum in the context of the evolutionary/karmic dynamics within the natal chart 
        The evolutionary intention/meaning, in a broad sense, of  when Pluto transits the first house and/or Mars is the initiation of new actions and life direction in regards to emerging impulses and desires. The intention is to then follow and act upon these emerging  impulses in order for a new evolutionary path/cycle to unfold. It can also correlate to a time frame in which is becomes necessary to act upon a core desire in a new, or reformulated manner. The core point within this is that a reformulation and re-expression of the desire nature is symbolized by Pluto/Mars/1st house transits.
       As such, an increasing need for freedom in order to discover what the emerging new evolutionary cycle, or what is next so speak, is commonly experienced when Mars transits the 1st house or Mars. A new aspect of the identity is also emerging, or being born into consciousness. This occurs through through the metamorphosis of limited or outdated aspect of the identity. In addition, if there as been a restriction or  restraint of the expression and formation of the individual's identity then a tremendous amount of evolutionary pressure to be free form such limitations and to act upon, or peruse, the new desires that serve to signal a new life direction that will allow the necessary metamorphosis and evolutionary cycle to unfold. It is not uncommon at this time to have unresolved anger surface both  from within the individual and from others with whom the individual has been involved. As mentioned before anger can be triggered when there is a perceived restriction of personal freedom. It can also be linked with the Soul's increasing need to “get on with it” so to speak, and to discover what the emerging new cycle is about. The key to resolving such anger in a positive way is to encourage the need for independent exploration, and to be free from unnecessary personal limitations that are thwarting the new evolutionary cycle from taking hold.

  Please feel free to post any questions/comments about what I have written.

Namaste
Deva

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EU Could Boost Sanctions on Russia if No Progress in Geneva

by Naharnet Newsdesk
17 April 2014, 14:39

French President Francois Hollande warned Thursday that EU sanctions on Russia could be strengthened if there is no progress at talks in Geneva on the Ukraine crisis.

"We could raise the level of sanctions if no solution emerges (in Geneva), but that is not our desire," Hollande said at a joint press conference with Czech Prime Minister Bohuslav Sobotka.

He said the way out of the crisis was to "respect the political agenda" set in Ukraine, including for the presidential election on May 25.

"This election must also be able to take place across the country and under conditions of transparency and total freedom," Hollande said.

Hollande said a strengthening of sanctions could be decided during a European summit in Brussels next week.

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EU Agrees to Talks with Russia on Ukraine Gas Supply

by Naharnet Newsdesk
17 April 2014, 15:37

The European Union said it had agreed Thursday to hold talks with Russia on its gas supplies to Europe through Ukraine, warning Moscow its reliability as an energy source was at stake.

The EU "agrees on your proposal for consultations with the Russian Federation and Ukraine with regard to security of gas supply and transit," European Commission head Jose Manuel Barroso said in reply to an April 10 letter from President Vladimir Putin.

In his letter, sent to 18 EU member states, Putin had warned that Moscow would no longer tolerate late payment for gas supplies to Kiev and threatened to cut off deliveries completely if nothing was done.

That set alarm bells ringing in the EU, which depends on Russia for about 30 percent of its gas supplies, with a large amount of that transiting via Ukraine.

Barroso told Putin Thursday, on behalf of all 28 EU members, that the bloc and Russia were Ukraine's main trading partners and as such, both had an interest in ensuring its "long-term political and economic stability."

"Therefore it is our common interest to quickly engage in talks which will include Ukraine."

Barroso said Putin's threat to cut supplies to Ukraine was a "cause of serious concern" as it threatened the gas flow into the EU and other partner countries.

Such supplies, he noted, were covered by contracts between European companies and Russian gas giant Gazprom.

Accordingly, it "continues to be Gazprom's responsibility to ensure the deliveries of the required volumes as agreed in the supply contracts," he said.

The EU expected "commercial operators on all sides to continue respecting their contractual obligations and commitments," he said.

On that basis, the "contractual reliability of the Russian Federation as a supplier of gas is at stake in this matter," Barroso said.

"Remaining a reliable supplier would appear to be clearly in the interest of the Russian Federation," he said, referring to "international gas market developments."

While the EU is heavily dependent on Russian gas supplies, Moscow too relies greatly on the EU market for its energy and raw material exports.

A sharp slowdown in the Russian economy has made those markets even more important.

Earlier Thursday, Putin said he would demand pre-payments from Ukraine for gas supplies in one month if Kiev does not pay its debts.

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Ukraine Bans Entry for All Russian Males Aged 16-60

by Naharnet Newsdesk
17 April 2014, 17:09

Ukraine has banned entry to its territory for all Russian males aged between 16-60, the Russian flagship carrier Aeroflot said Thursday in a warning to passengers.

"In line with an official order received by the company, all Russian male citizens aged from 16-60 will be refused entry into Ukraine," Aeroflot said, adding that exceptions would only be made in extreme cases.

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