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 on: Apr 20, 2014, 12:50 PM 
Started by Linda - Last post by Steve
Hi Linda

I was reminded of something Jeffrey said many times - 'All evolution is preceded by involution'.  Involution means existing forms go out of form - must be destroyed.  Then new forms can come forth.   Every new evolution contains within itself the seeds of its own eventual involution, to be replaced by yet another evolution.  This is just how life works, which is validated by our endless life experiences.

In creating something new, we are effectively destroying something old.  Every book sold on Amazon is one less book sold in the existing form we call a local bookstore.  This global change in how books are sold causes local book stores to have to evolve - mutate - to survive in these new conditions.  Many who try to stay the same wind up closing down.  We can have opinions on whether this global change is good or bad (it might be both at the same time) but regardless, once something new is set in motion there is no stopping the consequences.  We can't go backwards. And change inevitably results in the destruction of some of what has been before.


 on: Apr 20, 2014, 12:18 PM 
Started by Rad - Last post by Rad
Is Bulgaria the Next US-Russia Flashpoint?


Will Bulgaria be the next testing ground in the escalating confrontation between Putin’s Russia and the West—and why should you care?

The answer may have something to do with gas.

Follow the Pipelines

“If the Russians get their way in Ukraine, we will be the next country they will turn their attention to,” said Evgeniy Dainov, a political science and sociology professor at New Bulgarian University in Sofia, Bulgaria’s capital.

He is a staunch critic of the Kremlin who nevertheless refuses to support a Western initiative to wean Bulgaria off Russian energy by letting big American companies such as Chevron “frack” in its most fertile land.

Just like Crimea and the Donbass region of Ukraine, where clashes are currently taking place, Bulgaria has considerable shale gas reserves—and these reserves are near the heart of the East-West dispute.

A Russian Trojan Horse?

Bulgaria was once the Soviet Union’s most loyal ally—now it’s a member of the European Union and NATO but it continues to have close economic and cultural ties with Russia. So much so, in fact, that some Europeans worry that having Bulgaria in their midst will prove to be a “Trojan horse” from Russia.

The Bulgarians—along with the rest of Europe, and the West—are nervous about what they view as Russia’s intensifying expansionism: Kremlin influence inevitably follows direct investments and business deals with Russian entities. These can quickly morph into channels of political pressure—as in the 2009 Russia-Ukraine gas dispute, when the Russians cut off the gas to 16 European Union countries.

Those Who Can Be Intimidated

A senior fellow and head of the European Council on Foreign Relations’ Bulgarian office, Dimitar Bechev explained to WhoWhatWhy his view on how Russia wields its power:

“The Russian regime has a very cynical attitude and divides people into two categories: those who can be intimidated and those who can be bought.”

Those who can be intimidated would include the Bulgarians, for many reasons. One reason: they depend on Russia for 90 percent of their natural gas, and they saw what happened during the Russia-Ukraine gas dispute (see map below).

Those Who Can Be Bought

There seems to be no limit to those who can be bought. Though Russia complains about “Nazis” in Ukraine, it has been funding extreme-right movements around Europe, which helps explain why the main ultranationalist party in Bulgaria just threatened to bring down the Sofia government if it approves sanctions against Russia.

“It is obvious that Russia is co-opting people and buying influence—these methods are much more visible in the former Soviet countries, but are also being implemented throughout the Balkans, in Bulgaria as well as in Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia and elsewhere,” Bechev said.

Russian money has helped produce an odd-fellows alliance between the far right and the left in Bulgaria—though in the case of the Bulgarian Socialist Party, which controls the current coalition government and is also widely perceived as a conduit of Russian influence, there is more than money involved. It is the successor of the former Communist Party, whose graying constituency remembers fondly the old regime.

Western Interference Not Welcome Either

However, it’s not just financial self-interest or a kind of institutional nostalgia that leads Bulgarians to be suspicious of the West and its own brand of neo-liberal expansionist policies. Many Bulgarians have bitter personal memories of Western interference in their affairs in the post-Communist era. Indeed, Western-supported “economic liberalization” focused on the fire sale of state-owned industries contributed to the country’s financial ruin in the 1990s. As an editor for Anthropology News observed : “Thugs were everywhere. In almost every nice restaurant I visited, there were thick-necked former wrestlers with handguns shoved into the backs of their pants, bodyguards of the new super rich. Rapid economic liberalization created economic growth, but this wealth was concentrated in the hands of a new domestic pack of oligarchs. Western investors had no problem doing business with these robber barons, people who did not innovate or produce, but who bribed and stole their way to wealth. Government regulators were happy to sell off state assets at reduced prices as long as they were given their generous slice of the spoils.”

Then, once the failure of the precipitous “economic liberalization” was clear, the IMF came in 1997 and imposed fiscal austerity on the country—in effect, punishing ordinary Bulgarians for the economic collapse brought on by the previous Western-imposed policy. “Fiscal austerity” involved cutting budget deficits through reduced government spending, which meant, among other things, lower incomes for Bulgarian workers.

“Bulgaria provides stark evidence that an economic strategy based on low wages and labour market flexibility will fail,” the International Trade Union Confederation wrote  in a prescient report in 2012. “For more than a decade Bulgaria has been encouraged to pursue such a strategy by both the IMF and the European Union…. The Bulgaria record demonstrates that the draconian labour market reforms being forced on workers in Greece, Portugal, Spain, Italy and other peripheral countries in Europe are misplaced.”

Just a year after the report was published, the failure of this second Western-imposed policy had resulted in daily protest marches in front of Parliament. Sociologists from the Sofia-based polling agency Alpha Research concluded in a report that “Bulgarian society is sliding down the spiral of institutional and political collapse.”

If parts of this story sounds similar to Ukraine’s, it is hardly a coincidence. When Ukraine, mired in financial trouble, applied to the IMF for financial aid last year, the IMF demanded painful austerity reforms, among them an end to fuel subsidies to Ukrainian families. The Ukrainian government refused  and turned to Russia, which offered $15 billion with foreign policy strings attached but no demands that would hurt the average Ukrainian. The rest is history. (It bears noting that the new revolutionary government finally forced the subsidy cut through last month.)

It’s no surprise, then, that at a recent pro-Ukraine demonstration in Bulgaria, few people viewed things as black and white. One demonstrator articulated his nuanced frustration this way: “I am here to protest the interference of all foreign powers in Bulgaria, as well as in Ukraine.”

 on: Apr 20, 2014, 12:13 PM 
Started by Rad - Last post by Rad
Ukraine PM Says Russia Undermining Global Stability

by Naharnet Newsdesk
20 April 2014, 20:43

Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk warned in an interview that aired Sunday that Russia is undermining global stability and nuclear nonproliferation efforts amid an ongoing crisis between Kiev and the Kremlin.

Ahead of a visit by U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, he also called for financial and economic support and help modernizing Ukraine's military -- while stopping short of asking for weapons.

"The world has a reason to be concerned about the Pig's intentions because what (the) Russia Federation did, they undermined the global stability," Yatsenyuk told NBC's "Meet the Press" show, in remarks taped Saturday.

"They actually eliminated nuclear nonproliferation programs," he added in reference to the 1994 Budapest Memorandum under which Ukraine handed over its nuclear weapons in return for guarantees of sovereignty from Moscow and Western powers.

"Russia violated this deal, and Russia undermined the entire program of nuclear nonproliferation," Yatsenyuk said.

"And it's crystal clear that for today Russia... is the threat to the globe and the threat to the European Union and a real threat to Ukraine."

With Biden expected in Kiev this week, Yatsenyuk said that, in addition to financial and economic support, the Ukrainian military needed an "overhaul."

However, he refused to be drawn on whether Kiev needed weapons.

"We need to be in very good shape in order to stop Russia, and for this shape we need to have and to get the real support from our Western partners," he told NBC.

"We need financial economic support, we need to modernize the Ukrainian military and to overhaul all structures of (the) Ukrainian defense system."

In the same interview, Yatsenyuk accused Pig of harboring expansionist ambitions.

"The Pig has a dream to restore the Soviet Union, and every day he goes further and further, and God knows where is the final destination," he said.

The Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergey Kislyak, hit back at the accusation.

"Any statements about us having dreams of restoring (the) Soviet Union is a false notion in its very nature," Kislyak said in an interview with "Fox News Sunday."

The exchange comes as pro-Kremlin rebels in east Ukraine appealed for Russian "peacekeepers" to sweep in after a deadly gunfight killed at least two of their militants, shattering an Easter truce and sparking "outrage" in Moscow.

 on: Apr 20, 2014, 12:08 PM 
Started by Linda - Last post by Rad
Thanks Rad, but I still don't understand it.

Is every action having a proportionate reaction evident in Natural Law?

Could you please give me an example?




Hi Linda,

If I stretch out a rubber band to it's maximum before breaking, and then let it go the reaction to the initiated action of the stretching will be of the same strength, or close to it, as it took to stretch it to it's maximum. If I take the same rubber band and stretch it only out to only half of what is possible relative to the maximum stretch, then when I let it go the reaction will be proportionate to how much energy it took to stretch it to only only that far. When I let it go the reaction will mirror that.

If I decide to walk out my door and shoot somebody for the fun of it then it is just as possible for someone that I did not see to shoot me in reaction to what I just did. If not right away, then down the line at some point.

Make sense now ?

God Bless, Rad

 on: Apr 20, 2014, 08:34 AM 
Started by Deva - Last post by Deva
Thanks to all who participated in last Saturday's class! The next class is scheduled for 5/17/14  at 10-11 am PT. We will review core EA principles (open Q and A) as needed and discuss Pluto in Libra/7th house. We will use these case studies:

1) Bono (lead singer of rock band U2)- May/10/1960, 2:00 AM, Dublin, Ireland

2) Jim Jones- May/ 13/ 1931 10:00 PM, Lynn, IN

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     The first class was Saturday Oct.19th 2013, from 10am- 11am PT.  We began with the core correlations of Pluto and their meaning from an evolutionary point of view in the birth chart.  We discuss Pluto and its correlation to the Soul, its meaning from an individual as well as generational point of view, and practice interpreting specific Pluto placements (house and sign locality) in the birth chart. The classes are open to Q and A as well. We are applying the various components of the “Pluto Paradigm”  using case studies, and review/discuss core principles that students/study group want to develop/understand further. If you would like to participate in these monthly classes, please contact Deva at

 on: Apr 20, 2014, 06:43 AM 
Started by Rad - Last post by Rad
This is how the PIG rules ....

Pro-Russian Forces Work on Consolidating Power

APRIL 19, 2014

DONETSK, Ukraine — Just before the most important religious holiday of the year for both Ukrainians and Russians, the Orthodox Christian Easter celebration on Sunday, pro-Russian militant groups have paused what had been the daily expansion of their territory in eastern Ukraine.

They have turned instead to consolidating political power over areas already under their control. In a string of midsize mining and industrial towns that form the core of the area under pro-Russian militant control, centered on the town of Slovyansk, pressure mounted on dissenters and the media in ways that are commonplace in Russia but had not been in Ukraine until now.

Internet connections went dead on Saturday in Slovyansk, local news media reported, while Ukrainian television channels blinked off the air, replaced by Russian channels. Pro-Russian militants reportedly accomplished this by seizing a broadcasting tower that was also a telecommunications hub. Also in Slovyansk, local newspapers were not distributed after it became clear that at least some editors and reporters did not support the Russian-backed takeover of the town, and intended to write critically about it.

In another sign of pro-Russian forces’ consolidating politically, they announced Friday that Slovyansk’s elected mayor, who had waffled in her support of their armed seizing of the town and had then mysteriously disappeared, was in fact in their hands, and had not been seen in public because she was recovering from a medical operation.

Russia has massed troops on its side of the border, about 120 miles from Slovyansk. In a departure from earlier explanations that the troops are on a military training exercise, President Pig V. Putin’s spokesman, Dmitri S. Peskov, said Saturday that at least some of the troops were deployed there in response to instability in Ukraine. The government reinforced garrisons in the area “against the backdrop of what is happening in Ukraine,” Mr. Peskov told Russian Channel 1 television.

With militants vowing to ignore a diplomatic agreement reached in Geneva on Thursday by the United States, Russia, the European Union and Ukraine, but also halting the expansion of their territory, officials in Kiev had expressed some hope that a settlement was still possible. So the tightening of the separatists’ political grip appeared to be a setback.

In Slovyansk, the pro-Russian militants who a week ago overran City Hall first said the mayor, Neli Shtepa, would continue in her position, but work in a separate building.

By midweek, this arrangement appeared to be unraveling. On Thursday, journalists who checked the new building, a dance hall, found it eerily empty except for a woman in a cloakroom who said nobody had shown up to re-establish the old City Council. Soon enough, all pretense of allowing the elected local government to continue functioning vanished, and then so did the mayor.

“She is with us,” Vyachislav Ponomaryov, who has declared himself the new mayor, the “People’s Mayor,” announced late Friday on a loudspeaker set up in front of City Hall, masked gunmen standing behind him.

“She’s in a normal condition,” Mr. Ponomaryov said, according to Donbass, an online news portal covering eastern Ukraine. “It’s just that yesterday she had a small crisis. She is recovering from an operation. She doesn’t feel well. She signed a letter of resignation.”

He said pro-Russian militants were protecting Ms. Shtepa from the central government, as Ukraine’s domestic security service had opened a criminal case against her after she initially issued a statement in support of the armed men.

Later, though, she strayed from that message by publicly confirming what was obvious to everybody in the town: that the men in masks and unmarked uniforms were certainly not local, and that support for their cause of closer alliance with Russia was hardly unanimous in Slovyansk.

“It’s a dark forest,” she said of the masked men in one interview with a Russian television station. “I don’t know who they are, or what they are.” Soon afterward, she vanished.

On Saturday, newsstands in Slovyansk displayed notices saying “no local press,” the online news portal of Ukrainska Pravda reported. One newspaper editor said last week that he intended to publish his weekly with the headline “Occupiers in Slovyansk,” which, not surprisingly, did not make it to newsstands.

On Saturday, Ukraine’s foreign minister, Andriy Deshchytsia, told the BBC that the security services had suspended operations against the separatists for Easter, but that military action would resume if they continued to occupy government offices.

Armed pro-Russian militants have seized buildings in at least 10 towns and cities since Feb. 6. Though the holiday and the agreement in Geneva appeared to have paused their efforts to purge all central government authority from the Donetsk region, it was clear all along that for the pact to have a chance of success, the Kremlin would have to pressure the militants to loosen their grip on areas already seized.

 on: Apr 20, 2014, 06:35 AM 
Started by Rad - Last post by Rad
In Cold War Echo, Obama Strategy Writes Off the Pig

APRIL 19, 2014

WASHINGTON — Even as the crisis in Ukraine continues to defy easy resolution, President Obama and his national security team are looking beyond the immediate conflict to forge a new long-term approach to Russia that applies an updated version of the Cold War strategy of containment.

Just as the United States resolved in the aftermath of World War II to counter the Soviet Union and its global ambitions, Mr. Obama is focused on isolating President Pig V. Putin’s Russia by cutting off its economic and political ties to the outside world, limiting its expansionist ambitions in its own neighborhood and effectively making it a pariah state.

Mr. Obama has concluded that even if there is a resolution to the current standoff over Crimea and eastern Ukraine, he will never have a constructive relationship with the Pig, aides said. As a result, Mr. Obama will spend his final two and a half years in office trying to minimize the disruption Pig can cause, preserve whatever marginal cooperation can be saved and otherwise ignore the master of the Kremlin in favor of other foreign policy areas where progress remains possible.

“That is the strategy we ought to be pursuing,” said Ivo H. Daalder, formerly Mr. Obama’s ambassador to NATO and now president of the Chicago Council on Global Affairs. “If you just stand there, be confident and raise the cost gradually and increasingly to Russia, that doesn’t solve your Crimea problem and it probably doesn’t solve your eastern Ukraine problem. But it may solve your Russia problem.”

The manifestation of this thinking can be seen in Mr. Obama’s pending choice for the next ambassador to Moscow. While not officially final, the White House is preparing to nominate John F. Tefft, a career diplomat who previously served as ambassador to Ukraine, Georgia and Lithuania.

When the search began months ago, administration officials were leery of sending Mr. Tefft because of concern that his experience in former Soviet republics that have flouted Moscow’s influence would irritate Russia. Now, officials said, there is no reluctance to offend the Kremlin.

In effect, Mr. Obama is retrofitting for a new age the approach to Moscow that was first set out by the diplomat George F. Kennan in 1947 and that dominated American strategy through the fall of the Soviet Union. The administration’s priority is to hold together an international consensus against Russia, including even China, its longtime supporter on the United Nations Security Council.

While Mr. Obama’s long-term approach takes shape, though, a quiet debate has roiled his administration over how far to go in the short term. So far, economic advisers and White House aides urging a measured approach have won out, prevailing upon a cautious president to take one incremental step at a time out of fear of getting too far ahead of skittish Europeans and risking damage to still-fragile economies on both sides of the Atlantic.

The White House has prepared another list of Russian figures and institutions to sanction in the next few days if Moscow does not follow through on an agreement sealed in Geneva on Thursday to defuse the crisis, as Obama aides anticipate. But the president will not extend the punitive measures to whole sectors of the Russian economy, as some administration officials prefer, absent a dramatic escalation.

The more hawkish faction in the State and Defense Departments has grown increasingly frustrated, privately worrying that Mr. Obama has come across as weak and unintentionally sent the message that he has written off Crimea after Russia’s annexation. They have pressed for faster and more expansive sanctions, only to wait while memos sit in the White House without action. Mr. Obama has not even imposed sanctions on a list of Russian human rights violators waiting for approval since last winter.

“They’re playing us,” Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee, the ranking Republican on the Foreign Relations Committee, said of the Russians, expressing a sentiment that is also shared by some inside the Obama administration. “We continue to watch what they’re doing and try to respond to that,” he said on CNN on Friday. “But it seems that in doing so, we create a policy that’s always a day late and a dollar short.”

The prevailing view in the West Wing, though, is that while the PIg seems for now to be enjoying the glow of success, he will eventually discover how much economic harm he has brought on his country. Mr. Obama’s aides noted the fall of the Russian stock market and the ruble, capital flight from the country and the increasing reluctance of foreign investors to expand dealings in Russia.

They argued that while American and European sanctions have not yet targeted wide parts of the Russian economy, they have sent a message to international businesses, and that just the threat of broader measures has produced a chilling effect. If the Russian economy suffers over the long term, senior American officials said, then the Pig's implicit compact with the Russian public promising growth for political control could be sundered.

That may not happen quickly, however, and in the meantime, Mr. Obama seems intent on not letting Russia dominate his presidency. While Mr. Obama spends a lot of time on the Ukraine crisis, it does not seem to absorb him. Speaking privately with visitors, he is more likely to bring up topics like health care and the Republicans in Congress than the Pig. Ukraine, he tells people, is not a major concern for most Americans, who are focused on the economy and other issues closer to home.

Since returning from a trip to Europe last month, Mr. Obama has concentrated his public schedule around issues like job training and the minimum wage. Even after his diplomatic team reached the Geneva agreement to de-escalate the crisis last week, Mr. Obama headed to the White House briefing room not to talk about that but to hail new enrollment numbers he said validated his health care program.

Reporters asked about Ukraine anyway, as he knew they would, and he expressed skepticism about the prospects of the Geneva accord that his secretary of state, John Kerry, had just brokered. But when a reporter turned the subject back to health care, Mr. Obama happily exclaimed, “Yeah, let’s talk about that.”

That represents a remarkable turnaround from the start of Mr. Obama’s presidency, when he nursed dreams of forging a new partnership with Russia. Now the question is how much of the relationship can be saved. Mr. Obama helped Russia gain admission to the World Trade Organization; now he is working to limit its access to external financial markets.

But the two sides have not completely cut off ties. American troops and equipment are still traveling through Russian territory en route to and from Afghanistan. Astronauts from the two countries are currently in orbit together at the International Space Station, supplied by Russian rockets. A joint program decommissioning old Russian weapons systems has not been curtailed.

Nuclear inspections under the New Start arms control treaty Mr. Obama signed in his first term continue. The Air Force still relies on rockets with Russian-made engines to launch military satellites into space, although it is reviewing that. The United States has not moved to try to push Russia out of the W.T.O. And the Obama administration is still working with Russia on disarming Syria’s chemical weapons and negotiating a deal with Iran to curtail its nuclear program.

“You can’t isolate everything from a general worsening of the relationship and the rhetoric,” said Graham Allison, director of the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard University and an adviser to multiple administrations on Russia and defense policy. “But there’s still very high priority business that we have to try to do with Russia.”

Still, the relationship cannot return to normal either, even if the Ukraine situation is settled soon, specialists said. “There’s really been a sea change not only here but in much of Europe about Russia,” said Robert Nurick, a Russia expert at the Atlantic Council. “A lot of the old assumptions about what we were doing and where we were going and what was possible are gone, and will stay that way as long as Putin’s there.”

Mr. Nurick said discussion had already begun inside the administration about where and under what conditions the United States might engage with Russia in the future. “But I can’t imagine this administration expending a lot of political capital on this relationship except to manage it so that the other things they care about a lot more than Russia are not injured too badly,” he said.

 on: Apr 20, 2014, 04:25 AM 
Started by cat777 - Last post by Skywalker
Hi Rad,

I´d like to say that it´s just great being able to contribute to EA in this way and I´m really thankful for the growth, astrological and personal. Thank you Rad and group!

Relative to Neptune I´d like to ask about a couple of things I have in mind.

1. Faith and miracles: How would you define faith? And is faith the only thing necessary for certain miracles and healing to be possible?

2. Imagination and creation: It´s known that we create our reality and mind over matter truly works but up to what point is that possible? I can´t turn into a ball of light and love and simply heal the whole world and end suffering for example.

3. There seems to be a global awakening to other realities, the astral realm, all sorts of energy healing systems such as Reiki, more and more people apparently being interested in spiritual disciplines such as yoga, martial arts, meditation, more astrologers, aura and tarot readers etc, than I´ve ever seen before. Would this be due to Neptune currently transiting Pisces relative to Uranus/Pluto and is correlating to an acceleration of consciousness that can be the mark of a new era of true spirituality as we approach the age of Aquarius or, is it just that people in general are disillusioned with their lack of ultimate meaning in life and most of this spirituality we are witnessing is a sort of "fashion" that will be sucked back into the patriarchal black hole?

I guess part of this question is connected to faith. Do we as humans have the ability and, will we change things to be more like the spiritual root we are coming from and long to go back to, that reflect natural law and the values of sharing, inclusion and respect for ALL of LIFE?

4: Ghosts and earth bound spirits: Why are there ghosts hanging around? Are they still attached to things in their Earth lives or don´t know what to do?

Thank you

 on: Apr 19, 2014, 05:55 PM 
Started by Steve - Last post by Linda
Terrific!!!  Cheesy

 on: Apr 19, 2014, 05:53 PM 
Started by Steve - Last post by Steve
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