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« on: Jan 23, 2017, 08:49 AM »

Hi all, I would like to start a new thread. The new thread is a practice thread which focuses on applying the Pluto paradigm. We will go step by step through the Pluto paradigm. I would also like to practice applying the same natal signature in different evolutionary conditions. Please let me know who is interested in participating and we will go from there.

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« Reply #1 on: Jan 23, 2017, 09:03 AM »

Hi Deva and Everyone,

I would like to follow along on this thread and will try to contribute to the best of my abilities.

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« Reply #2 on: Jan 23, 2017, 09:12 AM »

I'd like to follow along as well, and plan on contributing!

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« Reply #3 on: Jan 23, 2017, 01:07 PM »

Hi Deva, please count me in on the practice thread.  Thanks. DDD
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 23, 2017, 02:18 PM »

Hi Deva,

i would be very pleased to participate, thank you!

All the best,
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 24, 2017, 01:36 PM »

Hi Deva,

I will be following.

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« Reply #6 on: Jan 24, 2017, 01:42 PM »

Hi Deva

I'm time-pressed all the time, but sometimes get a little space so I'll be reading along, however I'll also try and participate occasionally if I can.

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« Reply #7 on: Jan 24, 2017, 03:17 PM »

Hi Deva

I want to participate, thanks for the opportunity

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« Reply #8 on: Jan 25, 2017, 10:02 AM »

Great- I am excited about starting the practice thread! I will post on Monday, Jan.30th with a review of Pluto and it's polarity point. There will be specific examples of how to interpret Pluto and it's polarity point within the natal chart.  My suggestion is to review the chapter Pluto through the house and signs in the Pluto vol.1 book authored by my father JWG as we will be practicing applying The EA paradigm starting with Pluto in a specific house/sign.

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« Reply #9 on: Jan 30, 2017, 09:17 AM »

 We will begin by applying the EA paradigm step by step as developed by my father JWG in the book Pluto vol 1. The Evolutionary Journey of the Soul. My suggestion is to review the chapter Pluto through the house and signs as to reference the material that we will apply in this practice thread.
      The first step of the EA paradigm is Pluto by house and sign locality in the natal chart. Pluto, from an astrological point of view, correlates to the Soul. The Soul contains within it two co-equal yet antithetical desires: one to return to Source and one to separate from Source. Evolution occurs through the progressive exhaustion of all separating desires. This occurs over a great period of time through successive incantations on Earth. it is important to note that the Soul is typically unconscious in the vast majority of people. We become aware of the unconscious desires within the Soul over a period of evolutionary time. It is exactly the interaction of the two desires within the Soul that determines what we feel we need and the choices we then make at any moment in time. The core point within this is that desire is the determinant of evolution.
     In order to understand the nature of the current moment in time and present life circumstances we must first understand the nature of the past and why that past has been experienced from an evolutionary point of view. The Soul creates the specific life circumstances that are necessary to facilitate it’s ongoing evolution. Pluto symbolizes the “why” of past, and is thus the starting point of interpreting the birth chart using the EA paradigm.
     Pluto correlates to the desires of the evolutionary past, and a natural point of gravitation in the current life. In other words, it symbolizes where the Soul has left off prior to the current life and will naturally pick up in current life. Pluto symbolizes the deepest sense of unconscious emotional security that any of us can have. Why is this? For most of us, security is linked with the past, and the known and familiar ways of being. Emotional security is based on the need to be self-constant, which again, is rooted in the past. Pluto represents pre-existing patterns of habitual behavior that are associated with the past and constitute emotional security. These patterns can become obsessions and compulsions, and reflect areas of limitation and stagnation in the context of further evolution.
      Pluto’s polarity point (opposite house and sign) symbolizes the current evolutionary intentions and desires. The polarity point reflects the opposite psychology and orientation of the evolutionary past as indicated by Pluto’s natal position. It is through embracing the necessary evolutionary change’s reflected by Pluto’s polarity point that limitations, stagnation, and blocks towards further evolution are transmuted. The natal position of Pluto is then automatically re-expressed at a higher level. In other words, through cooperation with the current evolutionary intentions for the life (Pluto’s polarity point) the natal position of Pluto then manifests at it’s maximum level of expression.
     Let’s apply these core principles of Pluto and it’s polarity point through a simple example. We’ll start with analyzing Pluto in a specific house. Let’s put Pluto in the 10th house. The core evolutionary desires of the past are to understand the impact of cultural conditioning. The 10th house/Saturn/Capricorn archetype correlates to societal norms, rules, customs, etc. Examples of conditioning factors are gender, cultural/ religious conditioning, and economic status.
     Any culture or society has prevailing norms, customs, taboos, etc that the Soul to which the Soul is then expected to conform. These norms then serve to ‘condition” the Soul. The 10th house/Capricorn/Saturn archetype correlates to the structure of consciousness. The socially accepted behavior within any mainstream society then creates man made rights and wrongs. These man made rights and wrongs then become internalized, and become the basis for projected judgment. The core point within this is that these man made rights and wrongs do not reflect what is intrinsically right and wrong as reflected by natural law. The example JWG often used to illustrate this point is putting a baby on the freeway. We all agree that this is naturally wrong, and we do not religion to tell us that this true.
     Another core correlation of Pluto in the 10th house is to a accentuated sense of guilt. There are two types of guilt: one is learned guilt, and the second is natural guilt. Learned guilt is guilt that is internalized via man made laws and norms. This guilt should be purged from the Soul as it does not serve to help the Soul to continue to evolve. Natural guilt is guilt that is linked with behavior that is intrinsically wrong and violates natural law. Natural guilt is a natural teacher for us all in the sense that we can learn not to repeat the behavior that is the source if the natural guilt.
     For example, misuse of one’s social position or authority is one potential source of natural guilt linked with Pluto in the 10th house. In addition, another source of natural guilt is that of judgment. A core evolutionary lesson of Pluto in the 10th house to to learn that whatever standard of conduct that is considered “correct” and has thus become the basis for judgments is subjective. It is not uncommon that Pluto in the 10th house individual’s have become heavily judgmental of themselves and others. Again, the core point within this is the standard of conduct that is used to make these judgment.
     Pluto in the 10th house reflects the past evolutionary intention to establish it’s own personal voice of authority within society. The specific career or societal role can become a vehicle through which the Soul’s expresses it’s voice of authority within society. In order to do so, the Soul must adhere to the socially established means such as acquiring the necessary credentials, etc. The Soul must also become self-determined in order to actualize these capacities.
     In addition, Pluto in the 10th house reflects past evolutionary lessons of emotional maturity and responsibility. The Soul has been learning to accept the responsibility in it’s own actions, and in so doing emotionally mature. Emotional repression and/or suppression has often occurred in the evolutionary past. It is not uncommon that the Soul picks circumstances in which their parents imposed strict and rigid standards of conduct. In essence, they are expected to be “miniature adults” and potentially become de-facto parents. This evolutionary lesson may also occur through intense confrontations with others in which they must accept the responsibility in their own actions instead of blaming society or others in positions of authority in a general sense. Examples of such justification are “the ends justifies the means,” or blaming a corrupt system.

     If there are any questions about the core points discussed so far please ask now so we are the same page! Otherwise, please review Pluto in the 10th house in the chapter Pluto through the house/signs in the book Pluto vol. 1 book. Please review the whole section which includes the 4th house polarity point. The next step is to then write in your own words the core evolutionary intentions/desires of the evolutionary past symbolized by Pluto in the 10th house in the natal chart. After we review Pluto in the 10th house and are on the same page, we will review the 4th house polarity point.

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« Reply #10 on: Jan 30, 2017, 01:50 PM »

Hi Everyone,

Pluto in the 1oth House:

Unconscious security and desires emanating from the Soul would revolve around the need to identify the self through a social position in society. There would be strong desires in the past life and coming into the current life with linking ones identity to its career function and position in society. There could be deep feelings connected to social structures and laws defining the culture one is born into as well as strong identification with Family structures as dictated by society or the current Family structures one was born into. The person may overly identify with the society of birth or feel aligned with it or the parental conditioning adopting these as their own source of internal security. Pluto stands for the past that is carrying over into the current life and with this positon of Pluto in the 10th the person may have become crystalized into the surrounding traditions they found themselves born into. They may come into this life desiring to align with those social structures and therefore boost their identity in some way as there may be a deep need to feel powerful and respected. Possible  feelings of powerlessness may be experienced or felt and are linked to deep inner security needs revolving around parental functions past and present involving one or both the parents. Due to the polarity between the 10th and 4th houses revolving around responsibility and security the families of birth will be an important platform for a Soul with a 10th house Pluto and how they actually handle their responsibilities in life will revolve around much of this. A Soul with this positon will feel very defined by "responsibility" "tradition" with a deep sense of moral values but understanding those things with in society  is where  a 10th house Pluto can become tricky as the lessons revolving around "judgement" will be inevitable. When to judge who to judge, why you are judging because of this strong sense of Moral conduct and Judgement that is inherent to there core personality. These desires will be in the end to teach them about themselves and their own conduct based on society, family conditioning and patriarchal conditioning. They may have strong desires to get ahead in some way with there security linked with this identity but learning ways to link themselves to society in a way that they are not brought down is the key. Their desires  to get ahead so to speak may leave there emotional relationships with in the family lacking and possibly avoided or ignored there emotional relationships and internal emotional life. Security being defined as who they are seen as in there social and work functions instead. 

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« Reply #11 on: Jan 31, 2017, 10:11 AM »

Hi, Heather. Thanks for contributing to the practice thread! What we wrote is all within the possible expression of Pluto in the 10th house. Good job! I would like to add that an over identification with the career and social position is s potential source of natural guilt which leads to reflection. Reflection correlates to the 10th house archetype and is necessary because reflection can, in a positive expression, lead to the awareness of the unconscious dynamics described above. A a result, positive change and evolution can occur.

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« Reply #12 on: Jan 31, 2017, 11:54 AM »

Hi Deva and Everyone,

So the reflection inherent to the archetype of Capricorn Saturn and the 10th house is to throw the Soul back on itself for contemplating there inner emotional world which would happen the more they are identified with an external position in society or getting ahead in some way with social status?
Would this also include any person living too externally in anyway not just in regards to social status or career but when one in general is not exploring their inner emotional world the Capricorn and 10th house function will induce nessasary situations where the emotional life has to be evaluated? 

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« Reply #13 on: Jan 31, 2017, 12:26 PM »

From my understanding, reflection occurs in order to induce the awareness of why current life situations are being experienced. In other words, reflection is natural to consciousness. Yes, it does throw the Soul inward. Whenever existing dynamics have become crystallized and outdated a necessary reflection then occurs within the Soul. Positively, such reflection can then lead to, or induce, the awareness of the structural dynamics within the Soul which have become outdated and sre preventing further growth. Your example of neglecting existing family responsibilities due to an over identification with a social position or career is an example of a dynamic within the Soul that could potentially lead to confrontations. These confrontations would serve to induce the necessary reflection after the fact. In the end, such reflection guides the Soul to accept the responsibility for It's own actions.  Pluto in the 10th house reflects that this process is intensified within the Soul and has come under the evolutionary impulse of Pluto.

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« Reply #14 on: Feb 01, 2017, 09:40 AM »

Pluto in the 10th House/Capricorn.   
Like all Cardinal archetypes, Pluto in the 10th House or Capricorn signifies that a soul has entered a new evolutionary cycle in the recent past.  It is a continuation of the socialization of a soul relative to the nation, tribe or family in which they are born.  In connection with the other two Earth archetypes of Taurus and Virgo, evolutionary necessity requires that each and every soul with this placement learns to identify and establish their role and work function as a mature adult within the context of the nation/society they are born into.  Every person has a part to play in society, and the identification of what it is they can contribute regarding career or work will require setting goals and having the self-determination to pursue those goals.  Since this evolutionary cycle is fairly new, not all people with a 10th House Pluto/Capricorn will have fully integrated and realized this lesson, and so will continue to work on these issues in the current life.  Part of these lessons will be learning how, from society's point of view, to integrate and use their skills and gifts by following rules set down by the society.  As an example, a person might have learned everything there is to know about the laws of a particular country, but they cannot just set up shop and start giving out legal advice, they have to actually get a law degree at an accredited university before doing this.

Every society, country, tribe or collective of people living together has rules and regulations that govern how that group of people will live and interact with each other and with other groups of people/nations.  This is necessary in order to guarantee the consistent and predictable ways of conducting the practical, everyday functions of life within a nation.  If we did not have rules, we would have chaos, and organized function would break down.  Thanks to agreed-upon rules of conduct, well-functioning societies and civilizations have been built.  It is also thanks to the very same thing that societies and civilizations have collapsed because those very same rules became rigid and crystallized in the face of evolutionary forces.  All structures within society will become outmoded and outlive their usefulness at some point, and if they cannot make adjustments to accommodate new ways working, they will collapse. 

People with Pluto in the 10th House/Capricorn are often able to understand how societal rules work and be able to use and integrate that knowledge for the betterment of a society.  Sometimes a person with that knowledge will use the insight for the betterment of themselves and manipulate people and situations to benefit themselves, ultimately resulting in the subconscious guilt that inhabits the souls of many people with Pluto 10th/Capricorn.  (At this moment on earth Pluto is moving through Capricorn, and we in the United States are witnessing abuses of power in our administration unlike anything we have ever seen before.  All kinds of underhanded means and justifications are being used in order to fulfill the ambitions of the man in the white house with help from his henchmen and corporate overlords, playing upon people's fears and ginning up nationalistic tendencies in those whose sense of identity is defined by the color of their skin and national borders).  It can also indicate that a soul who has so thoroughly identified themselves with the power and status of a prominent career may have done just about anything to hold onto that career since their very sense of identity is so closely woven into it.  This could include using deceptive means, rationalizations and justifications of actions taken to ensure their hold on power is guaranteed.   If a soul has, in fact, abused power or social position in prior lives, they may well have had those positions forcibly removed in order to ensure the ongoing evolutionary intentions (as indicated by the opposite house/sign).  This kind of removal could also happen in the current life if necessary lessons have not been thoroughly learned and applied in a prior life.  Relative to loss of career and/or social status through power abuse in a prior life, the soul will come into this life with feelings of guilt that they cannot identify the origin of.  These feelings of guilt will be directly related to those abuses of power.  The guilty feelings and the need for atonement within the soul can lead to being born into family circumstances that reinforce those feelings, the intention of which (among others) will be to induce a state of reflection (Capricorn) wherein the soul can get to the bottom of why their life is the way it is, why they feel the way they do and how their own actions have created their life situation.   Learning to take responsibility for their own actions is a primary lesson within Capricorn/10th House.  Until the Pluto 10th House/Capricorn lessons are thoroughly learned, the person may be unable to identify what it is they are on earth to do regarding career.  Or maybe no matter how much they try, and despite having all the right skills and talents, all meaningful career doors remain closed.  Again, through reflection, the understanding of why it is happening can result, and the necessary adjustments leading to personal growth in the right direction can lead to those doors finally opening.  Sometimes the person will have to wait for the second Saturn return to discover their true career path or place in society.  In some cases, it doesn't happen at all for karmic reasons.  If a person cannot find out what their true path is as regards their role in society, they can become depressed and a sense of futility can permeate their consciousness as they wonder about the very point of being on earth if they don't know why they are here.  Depression and a sense of futility can become so severe that they don't know which direction to go in next.

Difficult family circumstances that Pluto 10th/Capricorn people can be born into include material poverty where they may not receive the nurturing they need from parent(s) because the parent(s) are always working just to make ends meet, or maybe one or both parents has a demanding career which takes up most of their time.  Sometimes, a parent may not feel very loving towards the child and deprive the child of touch and eye contact, and surround themselves with a frosty energy field in order to discourage the child from touching them or to silently let the child know they have displeased them by not living up to their standard of conduct (whatever that may be).  In all of this, the child will be forced in upon themselves in order to find inner security, and thereby minimizing external dependency.  Of course, any child who does not receive the love they need from a parent runs the risk of remaining a child inside and at some point in the future be forced to mature (Capricorn) through confrontation with others if they project these needs outwards.  In other cases, a child might be required, through necessity, to become the adult in the family if one or both parents are not there, maybe taking care of other siblings.  In yet other cases, the parent(s) may be very supportive of the needs of the child and offer loving guidance in the career goals and desires of the child.  The circumstances will be different in each case, but the underlying lessons will be the same - to learn inner security.  Difficulties and the necessary evolutionary or karmic lessons within family circumstances can also come through the Pluto 10th/Capricorn's own children.  Maybe the person has been so wrapped up in their career they have not really given time to getting to know their own children, or maybe they have difficult children, or children who seem to be more wise than they are.  Reflection on any difficult family dynamics can point to why these situations are happening so that considered and responsible action can be taken to remedy them.

Regarding the rules of society, countries, or groups of people living together, those rules are based on belief systems, usually in the form of man-made religions.  These man-made religions have all kinds of rules of their own and have a reward and punishment ethos through which they decide who is good and who is bad depending on their particular standard of conduct.  This kind of judgement becomes part of the consciousness of the individual, and guilt is the result of a person not living up to the requirements and expectations of the religious rules (usually made by men).  This kind of guilt is different than natural guilt where the person's own conscience gives guidance on what is right and what is wrong.  Natural guilt stays in the soul so that the same mistakes will not be made again.  Man-made guilt should be purged if possible since it bears little, if any, relation to truth and the way natural law works.

Pluto in the 10th House or Capricorn usually indicates that a soul has switched genders in the most recent prior lives, having reached an evolutionary limit in the gender they were inhabiting immediately prior to the current life.  Depending on how new this gender-switch is, the soul may experience some difficulties adjusting to the emotional dynamics of the opposite sex.  For others, gender identity becomes a major issue in their lives and can create difficulties for the soul if they are born into a patriarchal society where gender roles are rigid, and the person, from their own point of view, does not fit into any particular category.  These circumstances could potentially lead to a person withdrawing from life as they try to understand why this is happening and how they can fit into society in a truthful and meaningful way.

People with Pluto 10th/Capricorn have an innate sense of timing and the natural cycles of life.  This includes the sense of mortality and the realization that they only have so much time in which to accomplish their goals.  This realization can provide positive motivation to take action and do what they need to do. 

Some people with Pluto 10th/Capricorn are fascinated with the structures found in nature.  They might be interested in rock and mineral formations, crystal structures, and be interested in primal patterns such as the spirals found everywhere in nature, and especially the beauty and efficiency of those structures, gaining insight from the form and function of these timeless shapes.

In all cases of Pluto 10th/Capricorn, the intent is to remove all outer sources of dependency.  Its OK to want a meaningful career and the recognition that goes with it, but this must come from a place of security.  If that social position is removed, they will be just fine.  As the soul evolves, they will have an increased desire to align their egocentric identity with the Divine and move into a career that expresses the Will of the Divine, where their natural leadership ability can make a real difference in a world where blind ambition and corporate power has become more important than all else.  DDD
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