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« Reply #360 on: Nov 13, 2017, 02:20 PM »

Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node Venus in the 8th house

Relative to Pluto conjunct SN in 6th house Libra, the ruler Venus in the 8th house individuals have typical psychological and analytical approach towards their life/environment/inner relationship with themselves, and relationships with others which reflect their inner relationships. They ask why of any of their experiences, or how things/people are, because souls desires to know the bottom line of every experiences, how things/people/this world function, so they can come up with solutions to any crisis, and adjustment to transform and improve any situation, this ability is essential to their security. South Node’s ruler is Venus in the 8th house, they have been focused on soul’s metamorphosis and transformation, in the past, because of the inner feeling of lack (6h house), they have projected needs (Libra) in relationships, they felt they need something (either skills/power/resources…) outside themselves, to further transform, in the past, they have formed intimate relationships to people or knowledge that represent what they need, and experienced empowerment from these relationships, but at certain stage of their growth, they became dependent on security/power generated from relationships, thus fixed in relationships when relationships naturally came to end, the resistance of change thus create crisis, could manifest as betrayal/abandonment/violation from others, or even death from others, in other words, the rug was pulled out from under, these incident would create intense emotional reaction and psychology of powerlessness within Venus 8th house individuals, they would go to deeply analysis and understand the why of these experiences. In the resisting/relive condition, they might find themselves still trapped in pattern of power struggle/crisis after crisis in intimate relationships, they may realize all partners they are attracted to, have similar underline nature, even from outside they are very different (Libra), after trying all kinds of relationships, and end up with similar crisis pattern, it’s a process of exhausting their own projection, separating desires, they will finally come to conclusion, that change needs to come from within, inner relationship with themselves. Positively expressed, these individuals are natural psychologist and counselor, they can listen objectively yet deeply penetrate through surface of other’s inner reality, they can tap into other’s unconscious desire that create problematic circumstances, so they are able to provide guidance from that source to help others to transform/transmute. When they are being service providing healing for others in this way, they will also attract people, during their interaction, expose/mirror their own hidden dynamics or limitations, they may suddenly understand why of their own certain experiences from helping others. In this way, in relationships, both sides are objectively reflecting each other’s inner relationships/dynamics, both sides need to find power within themselves to transmute any limitation, thus break the pattern of counselor/counselee, victim/rescuer, manipulate/being manipulated, power/powerless, the imbalance foundation of relationships, both sides are equally empowered to find security/resources within themselves, commit deeply yet emotionally self-sufficient, they can actualize the most potential of soul growth in these kind of relationships, they will also learn the lesson of ending, letting go in a peaceful way. They need to understand the essence of repeat relationship patterns, why they feel powerful, and why powerless, why they feel betrayed/violated, and why of intense emotional reaction, so they are aware what kind of needs they projected into relationships caused certain crisis, the understanding of all the whys, provide inner security, because they are in control of their experiences, and that leads to sense of inner power will not be taken away from others, then stable psychological states (embrace Venus polarity point 2nd house). The other expression of this signature is they will typically have unfinished karmic relationship from past life, they will meet these karmic partners, relive certain dynamics from past relationships, positively, they will understand karma’s function, and make necessary adjustment, resolve these karmic relationships and move forward.

Consensus:

Because of the way these individuals relate to themselves, they are natural psychologist, they automatically scan themselves, others, environment, they can get right into the point, what other’s lack (need), what’s the underline problem, and how to improve/transmute. 8th house is Scorpio archetype, it’s about choice, choose to act out separating desires or desires to go back to source. Because these souls have unconscious memories of being betrayed, powerless, manipulated, violated… also memories of miss using power, it’s a choice of how to interpret and react to these emotions. In the first case, if they internalized experiences of being abused, may create psychology of self-doubt that there must be something wrong with me, especially according to mainstream value, and comparison to how other people form relationships or other people’s value/standards, and the need to atone for their flaws/mistakes, to meet other’s standards, this kind of inner relationship with self, keep them trapped in state of victimization and repeating losing power pattern. If they react the unfair experiences with 8th house rage, they might go to the other extreme, psychologically manipulate others from their weak point, control under disguise of “service”, or form relationships to powerful and resourceful people, compulsively pursue power, to ensure that they will never be vulnerable again, in this case, they will go through cycles of power struggle, power/powerless, and still nothing can fill inner void. In positive way, they may experience powerful transformation through relationships, and exam objectively the essence of these experiences, their needs/desires, develop ability of self-healing. They may also have talent of managing resources, become very successful business men, and share resources (SN Libra, Venus in 8th house) to empower others through work function.

Individuated State:

In this state, individuals may have formed relationships, or trying to fulfill certain desires which considered taboo by mainstream, in the process of soul’s individuation, they may be persecuted/judged/betrayed because of these taboo, these traumas may lead to lost or even death in the past, thus they may have attraction/repulsion towards their own desires within intimate relationships. With Pluto/SN conjunct in 6th house Libra, ruler in 8th house can also mean develop discrimination of who to form relationship, who to trust, who to share secret with, in other words, to understand the other person’s motivation, objective reality, desires and so on. They will also meet karmic partner from past lives, sort of “correct” these karmic relationships, they will typically attracted to partners, they have mutual desire to break free anything mainstream, to individualize through intimate relationships, also share either traumas together or similar dynamics, positively expressed, they can share resources to help each other transmute any limitation, 2 souls merge with each other and transform through the relationship, they may also explore together into taboos, sex rituals and so on, because 8th house Scorpio archetype need direct experiences/proof, then these powerful experiences can be internalized, they can use this self-empower experiences, skills, mystical power to help others to transmute their limitation, and individuation. Express negatively, they can misuse power, experience extreme darkness/distortion from relationships, exchange roles of perpetrator/victim, trapped in karmic cycle, until they are willing to exhaust old dynamics that limit their growth.


Spiritual State:

In this state, souls form an intimate relationship with cosmos, source itself, they are willing to dig deeper into darkness, to understand totality of existence, they will approach psychology from Soul’s point of view, and depth, they also understand karma from natural law point of view, for example, they can be teachers/healers help others to work with karma, or they may use sexual power in a positive way, teach/help others to merge and transform in relationships, such as tantric technic. In this state, they also look at birth/death from larger perspective, birth/death itself is separate and go back to source, because the connection with source, there is really nothing lost, nothing dying, only regeneration, with Pluto/SN in 6th house Libra, they may also being service as assistant, help other souls going through death process, they can be shamanic healers guiding other soul’s going back to source, they can teach others in victimization to find power within, dissolve man-made guilt, work on natural guilt in a way aligned with natural law. If negatively expressed, they may feel lacking, never prepared for their right work, being service, they may be spiritual masochism, believe they need to suffer in process of spiritualization.

Thanks Deva and everyone!

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« Reply #361 on: Nov 13, 2017, 03:56 PM »

Thank you, Deva!
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« Reply #362 on: Nov 14, 2017, 09:15 AM »

Hi Wei,

Excellent application of EA! What you have written accurately reflects the core evolutionary intentions of Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, and Venus in the 8th house. Yes, knowledge of the occult or and/or "taboo" areas can lead to personal metamorphosis. You make a good point that the Soul must re-empower itself in order to affect positive change rather than expecting this to come through a relationship. Great job!

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« Reply #363 on: Nov 14, 2017, 09:19 AM »

Hi All,

The next step in the practice thread is to add the sign to the planetary ruler of the South Node. In our example chart the planetary ruler of the South Node is Venus in the 8th house. The sign conditions the expression of the house. Venus is in Sagittarius in the 8th house. How does the sign of Sagittarius condition the expression of Venus in the 8th house? Sagittarius correlates with alignment with both personal truth and Natural Law, and elimination of delusive beliefs. Natural Law is based upon actual knowledge rather then belief. The core point within this is that as we align with Natural Laws delusive beliefs are purged from the Soul. There is a need for freedom and independence in order to discover personal truth. In the context of Venus in the 8th house, alignment with Natural Laws, discovery of personal truth, and elimination of delusive beliefs is a vehicle for growth beyond pre-existing limitations to occur. Additionally, development of psychological knowledge and self-empowerment is linked with timeless, natural principles. There is a desire, need, to know the ‘why’ of anything including the psychological dynamics of itself, and of others.

Typically, the Soul will create intense internal and external confrontations in order to expose any areas of dishonesty and manipulation within relationships. For example, the individual may tell the partner, and others in general, what they want to hear to fulfill ulterior motives and agendas of all sorts. In other words, the individual can appear very sincere and helpful, yet it only to sustain co-dependent relationships and have his or her own needs meet. Of course, the partner could also placate in this very same way. In this situation, both partners will deny the actual dynamics, or reality, of the relationship. This may manifest as avoidance of each other, or excessive external activity within the relationship.

In addition, the belief system may be used to rationalize negative patterns that are inhibiting further growth (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, Venus in Sagittarius in the 8th house). In the worst cases, this can manifest as a Soul who believes their own lies to the extent that the lie becomes the truth, compulsive or pathological lying. Another important dynamic is one of interpretation. Specifically, experiences of rejection and abandonment within relationships must be interpreted relative to understanding the why, the root cause, for the experience. If the individual focuses on “bigger picture,” or what can be gained through difficult experiences, it becomes a mean for further evolution as well. 

In a positive expression, the Soul will purge limited and delusive beliefs in such a way that an expansion within consciousness occurs. The Jupiter/9th house/Sagittarius archetype correlates with expansion. For example, beliefs that are rooted in victimization, sadomasochism, and superiority/inferiority will be jettisoned as the individual embraces Natural Laws that are based on actual knowledge verses delusive beliefs. In this situation, the Soul will self-empower through these principles, and encourage others to do the same. The “bottom line” of relationships formed will be based upon personal honesty, co-equality, and mutual self-empowerment (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, Venus in Sagittarius in the 8th house).

Consensus State: In the Consensus State, this will manifest as discovery of personal truth and expansion relative to the belief system within the mainstream. The development of psychological knowledge is based upon the beliefs within the mainstream. Growth and expansion takes place as the Soul progresses within the social strata. For instance, a credential in higher education is a vehicle through which advancement within society occurs. In so doing, the necessary psychological knowledge of how the system works is gained. In this evolutionary state, the Soul will interpret others based upon the prevailing mainstream belief system, and socially accepted psychological notions. In a positive expression, the Soul will use the knowledge of how society is structured and a credential in a mainstream field to help others advance. Conversely, the individual may use the social power that they have gained in a manipulative and dishonest manner. For instance, a position in public service may be used for self-advancement (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, Venus in Sagittarius in the 8th house).

Individuated State: In the individuated State, this will manifest as discovery of personal truth independent from the beliefs within the mainstream. Liberation from the beliefs within the mainstream becomes a vehicle through which alignment with Natural Laws and elimination of delusive beliefs takes place. The Soul will require freedom and independence to define its truth outside the influence of the mainstream. In so doing, expansion beyond limitations of the past occurs (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, Venus in Sagittarius in the 8th house).
In a positive expression, the dynamic of compensation within relationships will be purged from the Soul. The individual will be honest about their need to individuate within relationships, and attract others of like mind. As such, mutual self-empowerment can take place as both partners embrace liberation. In a negative expression, the Soul will reject the need for individuation, and recycle the relationship dynamics of the past previously described. In so doing, a situation of non-growth occurs.   

Spiritual State: In this Spiritual State, this will manifest as truth as defined through Natural Laws as reflected in the manifested Creation. The Soul will expand through cultivating a relationship with the Source. Actual knowledge which is based upon Universal, Timeless principles will replace delusive beliefs. Psychological development is founded in these same principles. In essence, fusion with Nature and the Natural Laws therein may become a means for spiritualization to take place (Pluto in Libra in the 6th house conjunct the South Node, Venus in Sagittarius in the 8th house). In this way, limitations of the past are purged. In a positive expression, the Soul will become a natural teacher relative to the knowledge of Timeless, Universal laws, and encourage others to spiritualize through direct experience of God/dess. In a negative expression, the individual will recycle delusive beliefs in the context of the patriarchal notions of Source and spirituality.

Please write out in your own words an analysis adding the sign of Sagittarius to the planetary ruler of the South Node, Venus in 8th house. My suggestion is to review the section Pluto in Sagittarius/9th house in the Pluto vol.1 book.

Namaste,

Deva
 
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« Reply #364 on: Nov 14, 2017, 11:25 AM »

Thanks Deva!
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