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Julia8
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« on: Jun 14, 2019, 12:58 AM »

Hello everyone,

My question is certainly a typical beginners question, so I apologize in advance if this question has already been much discussed here on this forum.

I got in touch with Jeff Green's EA methodology only about 1/2 month ago, but I was so fascinated with his approach from the very first moment, that I immediately did my best to get the book "Pluto: The Evolutionary Journey of the Soul, Volume 1". I also have been watching some videos from the youtube channel EA Zoom Meetings. The content is really very, very good, both this forum and the videos.

However, I have some doubts when analyzing what my nodes can tell me about my own evolutionary journey.

I realized that although I have some aspects to my NN, I do not have any aspect to my SN, for example, only aspects to the ruler.

About my NN Virgo, there is a conjunction to Lilith (tight orbs, 1.04) and another one to my Sun, although it is very wide (8.01 orb). However, the Virgo ruler, Mercury, forms more aspects. Squares Pluto, in tight orbs (1.53 orb), quincunx Uranus (0.30 orb), sextile Chiron (3.00 orb) and conjuncts Sun in large orbs (7.06 orb).

SN Pisces has no aspects, there is only Saturn in the same house (in another sign, without making aconjunction). However the ruler of SN, Neptune, that is in Capricorn, is squaring into tight orbs Chiron (2.01 orb) and Ascendant (3.95 orb), and into wide orbs Venus (6.23 orb) and Saturn (8.15 orb). Neptune is also conjunct in very wide orbs Uranus (7.08 orb).


Then I ask, would all of these Neptune squares mean aspects of my evolution that I have not focused on in the past, skipping steps, the traditional description of planets squaring Lunar Nodes? Or, since all the squares specifically relate to my South Node, the aspects not completed in just the ones related to the archetype of this Neptune?

I thought about asking this question because I have been seeing a lot being commented on the squares and oppositions to the Nodes, but not when the squares have relation to just one of the nodes specifically. That confuses me a little bit...

Printscreen of the part that shows aspects to Nodes empty: https://ibb.co/0KpXkk9


...And another question, again about the Lunar Nodes. With the Placidus system, my North Node is located in house 12, and consequently the South Node in house 6. However, using the Porphyry system of houses (from what I've noticed, this system is used in EA), my North Node is located in house 11. I'm also sharing a print screen showing the location of the nodes using the two systems of houses here: https://ibb.co/x72Tbdd. Since in the Porphyry method the NN is inside house 11 by a difference of 1 orb (house 12 starts at 20.56 and the NN is at 19.42), is it possible that my evolutionary path relates to both the archetype of house 11 and 12?

Ps.: I tried using the tool to post images, after reading the post of this forum on how to add images, but after saving my post I realized that for some reason the images did not appear. So I edited the comment and put the links.

Hope you all have a good day.

Júlia.

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« Reply #1 on: Jun 14, 2019, 05:44 AM »

Hi Júlia,

First, welcome to our mb. Second, we have a policy on our mb that is stated on the main page where it says 'if this is your first visit'. Clicking on reveals:

3) Policy on personal chart interpretation and analysis:
The message board is here to teach the principles of EA through example.   What is posted here is meant to be of general interest to all of our readers.   Individual analysis of your chart from a personal point of view is of interest mainly to you and not to most other readers.  Thus posting personal charts and asking for analysis or feedback on your chart is not appropriate here.  Asking questions about or posting your chart as an example of EA principles that will be of interest to many readers is acceptable.  
   At times there can be a fine line between what is of personal interest and what is of general interest.  Our moderators reserve the right to remove or to request that you remove any material posted they feel is personal chart interpretation.
  We have a number of qualified Evolutionary Astrologers associated with our school and this message board.  A more appropriate place for personal chart interpretation questions is a private reading with one of them.

For now the only time 'skipped steps' exist is when a planet(s) square the Lunar Nodal Axis. The S.Node by house, sign, aspects to it,and the location of it's planetary ruler by house, sign, and aspects to it correlate to the specific prior life dynamics that the Soul has been working with, and why, that are being brought forwards into the current life  in order to evolve them: the N.Node and it's planetary ruler by house, sign and aspects. Of course this is in relation to the core EA paradigm: the Pluto paradigm.

God Bless, Rad
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« Reply #2 on: Jun 14, 2019, 12:07 PM »

What is posted here is meant to be of general interest to all of our readers.   Individual analysis of your chart from a personal point of view is of interest mainly to you and not to most other readers.  Thus posting personal charts and asking for analysis or feedback on your chart is not appropriate here.  Asking questions about or posting your chart as an example of EA principles that will be of interest to many readers is acceptable.

Thanks for remembering me of this information, Rad. I really understand how annoying it is when users simply ignore rules.

My intention was not to receive an astral chart analysis. My intention was to know if aspects to the regent of the nodes are equal to aspects to the nodes and just that (question that you have already answered).

I decided to put alll of those aspects only because I thought it would help to understand the situation better, since beginners usually make mistakes with the simplest things. But perhaps it has, in fact, been very extensive. I should have just written: "aspects to the regent of the nodes are equal to aspects to the nodes?" and "what to do when points change place in the porphyry system?" I will get right to the point in my next questions.

Thanks,

Júlia
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« Reply #3 on: Jun 22, 2019, 03:30 PM »

Hi Julia, noticed you had a couple technical questions here that were missed.

Regarding difference in house system, in porphyry as you shared the nodes are at the end of their houses. That in of itself is it's own archetype: a culminative one. I wouldn't read it as ocntinaing both the 11th/5th and 12th/6th. Beyond that we each have to find out for ourselves through our own direct expeirence over time which house system feels most right for us.

Regarding aspects to the rulers of the nodes: it is not the same as aspects to the nodes. But of course it is connected. For example. If someone has their Moon squaring the nodes this to a skipped step relating to all things Moon (a need to reintegrate emotional dyanmics/nurturing/ego development in a way indiated by the archetypes involved). On the other hand if the Moon is the ruler of one of the nodes and planets are aspecting the Moon then for sure this tells us about the Moon/nodal dynamic, provides us information/context for the self construct and some of the karmic story behind it, but it's simply not the same as a skipped step which has it's own specific meaning. If the Moon is squaring the nodes, then any aspects to the Moon will provide foruther context for undrestanding the nature of the Moon function and thus by association further context for understand what this skipped step is about.

Also want to clarify, any planet that aspects one node will always aspect the other node with the exception of the qunitle and septile aspects. Sometimes the programs that list the aspects don't cover everything (not all progrmas will list aspects to the south node for example which might be the case in your example). So I always encourage actually looking at them and tracking them yourself, without any list.
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« Reply #4 on: Jul 11, 2019, 11:22 PM »

Ari Moshe,

I think it clarified a bit my doubts about the difference between planets squaring lunar nodes x planets squaring regents of the lunar nodes. Thanks!

I also want to say that I found it very important what you have mentioned about looking at the aspects ourselves because some websites do not include all of them. It was my case. I followed your tip and I just realized that the free website I used did not include some aspects, like, for example, some important trines to one of my nodes and a planet in a tight semisquare to one node and sesquiquadrate to another.

About my 12th/6th, 11th/5th dilemma, I think I still do not quite understand which one fits me. I've always identified myself more with the definition of the lunar nodes at 12th/6th, but I think I still need to study more to affirm anything.

So, again. Ari, Rad, thanks for now.  Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: Jul 12, 2019, 07:43 AM »

Hi Julia,

One thing to remember is that the 11th House, Aquarius, and Uranus correlate with things like astrology.

God Bless, Rad
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