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« Reply #30 on: Feb 06, 2010, 04:54 PM »

Hi Rad,
I do have a couple of questions/comments/points of clarification.  Again, I put my thinking in green.
Ellen

Hi Ellen,

Very few folks realize that the Soul itself contains within itself it's own 'self image' or ego. And how that inner self image or ego is then reflected through the subjective egocentric structures that it creates it each life for it's evolution to proceed. But as it does so (ie, creates subjective egocentric structures in each life)there will be a progressive shift  within it's consciousness, the center or gravity, gravity of course is Saturn, Capricorn, and the 10th House which is the natural polarity of Cancer, Moon, and the 4th, wherein that center of gravity will shift from the subjective ego and a 'separate identity' from the Source, to the Soul itself wherein it will them remember it's own origins: God/ess. When this begins to happen then the inner experience of of the Souls individuality, it's own ego, is perceived and experienced  as but an extension of that Source or God. (So this - the Soul's connection to Source and the Soul's progressive evolution towards REMEMBERING this connection - is why the TRUE [10th house] life purpose is progressively in service to the Source and can only really be realized once this remembering - this gravitational shift - has occurred?)As this occurs then the inner perception of what is called the Third eye, the inner eye, is directly perceived and experienced. This, in fact, is actually hard wired into the brain: it is part of it's structure of consciousness in human form. As as the perception occur the Soul , by birthright, REMEMBERS how to merge with that inner eye. As Jesus said when 'one's eyes are single, one's whole body is full of light'. The dual eyes reflect the natural law of duality, cause and affect. When one eye become single, the inner eye that is fused with, penetrated, moved THROUGH then one's whole being, or body, is full of Light. And that is the light of all the Natural Laws that the Source has set in motion at the moment of Creation. And these inner perceptions, gained in the natural way, finally lead the Soul to be able to directly inwardly experience, to know, to perceive, the interface between the MANIFESTED AND THE UN-MANIFESTED.  And it is this interface that correlates to TIME AND TIMELESSNESS Capricorn/10th house phenomenon). In essence, the perception and direct experience OF CREATION ITSELF (so Time and Timelessness has everything to do with the direct experience of Creation itself....?). This is the birth right of all Souls. And this is what the natural evolution of the Soul is about, in the end, as symbolized the natural trinity of Pisces, Neptune, the 12th House, the 8th House, Pluto, Scorpio, and Cancer, the 4th House, and the Moon.

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« Reply #31 on: Feb 07, 2010, 11:11 AM »

Hi Ellen,
  In the future please just write the questions, or areas that you are seeking clarification on, separate from the text itself. It's easier to answer you that way.

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Hi Rad,
Just wanting to make sure I'm understanding.  I put my thinking in green.
Ellen




     No. In fact he is very, very certain from within his own egocentric structure of exactly who he is: Moon square the S.Node in the 1st. His ongoing wound (Chiron)for other lives (South Node), carried forth into this one (Ruler of SN conjunct NN), is due to the PROJECTIONS (7th house?) ..S.Node in Aquarius in the 1st with Chiron, the ruler of the S.Node in Leo with the N.Node , by others (7th house - and Uranus/Aquarius? [because more than one other])that have nothing to do with who is actually is (Leo), and he knows himself to be (Moon square SN)Even though those projections have caused him deep personal hurt on an egocentric level because he knows that these projections are just that, projections that are caused by others agendas, Uranus with the N.Node in the 7th, the Pluto square back to his Moon, the reality is that those projections have only served TO STRENGTHEN HIM in the long run: S.Node in the 1st, ruler in LEO.

Rad

      The wounds of projections is symbolized by the Chiron conjuction to the S.Node in Aquarius. Projections in Astrology are Aquarius, Uranus, and the 11th House. The rule of his Chiron, Neptune is in Scorpio in his 9th, which in inconjunct his Moon in Gemini in the 4th. One of the dimensions of the 9th house, an archetype, is LYING. Relative to groups of people who all have their own agendas, Uranus in the 7th, many of these projections have been outright lies emanating from the inner delusions of various groups or individuals that are defined by the agendas of those groups, or individuals.

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     S.Node in Aquarius in the 1st with Chiron, the ruler of the S.Node in Leo with the N.Node , by others  (7th house - and Uranus/Aquarius?

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« Reply #32 on: Feb 07, 2010, 11:40 AM »

Hi Ellen,



" (So this - the Soul's connection to Source and the Soul's progressive evolution towards REMEMBERING this connection - is why the TRUE [10th house] life purpose is progressively in service to the Source and can only really be realized once this remembering - this gravitational shift - has occurred?)"

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Every Soul, relative to it's evolutionary conditions, has a true life purpose that is consistent with it's ongoing evolutionary needs. The entire paradigm of the 10th, Saturn, Capricorn, 2nd, Taurus, Venus, the 6th, Mercury, and Virgo correlate to life purpose as expressed through the agency of one's work, or career. When the Soul begins to evolve into the Spiritual State then the Soul is inwardly and progressively attuned to the consciousness we call the Source, or God/ess. As such, these Souls will desire to the work that they feel inwardly called to do from that Source. The inner degree of awareness, evolution, within the Spiritual Stage will correspond to not only the nature of that is, but also that the nature of that work in every way is being consciously directed by that Source. The Souls who have reached the point in evolution in which the center of gravity has finally shifted from the subjective ego that the Soul creates to the Soul itself.  At that point there no longer is any 'personal identification' with that work other than consciously cooperating with the inner directions from the Source to do that work.

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"And it is this interface that correlates to TIME AND TIMELESSNESS Capricorn/10th house phenomenon). In essence, the perception and direct experience OF CREATION ITSELF (so Time and Timelessness has everything to do with the direct experience of Creation itself....?). "

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Time is Capricorn, the 10th House and Saturn. Timelessness is Neptune, Pisces, and the 12th House. Relative to varying degrees of 'cosmic consciousness' where the phenomena of consciousness itself is Pisces, Neptune, and the 12th House consciousness in human form can expand and evolve to the point of perceiving and experiencing the interface between that which has been Created and SET IN MOTION, and that in which this Creation emanates from that which is formless and timeless. In this way the experience of Creation is perceived and known.


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« Reply #33 on: Feb 07, 2010, 02:57 PM »

Hi Ellen,
  In the future please just write the questions, or areas that you are seeking clarification on, separate from the text itself. It's easier to answer you that way.


Hi Rad,
Will do.  And thanks for the clarification/confirmation (below).

Ellen




      The wounds of projections is symbolized by the Chiron conjuction to the S.Node in Aquarius. Projections in Astrology are Aquarius, Uranus, and the 11th House. The rule of his Chiron, Neptune is in Scorpio in his 9th, which in inconjunct his Moon in Gemini in the 4th. One of the dimensions of the 9th house, an archetype, is LYING. Relative to groups of people who all have their own agendas, Uranus in the 7th, many of these projections have been outright lies emanating from the inner delusions of various groups or individuals that are defined by the agendas of those groups, or individuals.

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     S.Node in Aquarius in the 1st with Chiron, the ruler of the S.Node in Leo with the N.Node , by others  (7th house - and Uranus/Aquarius?

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Yes .............................

 Rad

     
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« Reply #34 on: Feb 07, 2010, 03:30 PM »

Hi Ellen,


Every Soul, relative to it's evolutionary conditions, has a true life purpose that is consistent with it's ongoing evolutionary needs.

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color=teal]Ah, this makes sense.  I was getting tripped up on this, thinking that the only "true" work was that which was in service to the Source.  This - what you've written - feels better.  And the rest also makes sense.

Ellen[/color]


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Time is Capricorn, the 10th House and Saturn. Timelessness is Neptune, Pisces, and the 12th House. Relative to varying degrees of 'cosmic consciousness' where the phenomena of consciousness itself is Pisces, Neptune, and the 12th House consciousness in human form can expand and evolve to the point of perceiving and experiencing the interface between that which has been Created and SET IN MOTION, and that in which this Creation emanates from that which is formless and timeless. In this way the experience of Creation is perceived and known.

Yes, I think I am getting the gyst here, though not entirely.  I'll have to let it sit for awhile.

Thanks, Rad - I really appreciate your time and attention -

Ellen  color]

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« Reply #35 on: Feb 10, 2010, 04:17 AM »

Hello Friends,

It is interesting that in the life of abraham lincoln there were also skipped steps involving the moon.  His moon in capricorn/12th squared the south node in taurus/3rd and north node in scorpio/9th (the north node was also conjunct uranus (new)...as well as an 11 degree balsamic conjunction to mars in libra/9th).  This is all relative to a first house pluto in pisces.

It seems a big part of the moon skipped steps played out through Lincoln’s lifelong ‘melancholy’, or what modern terminology would call clinical depression.  In his young adulthood there were at least a couple of occasions where his inner despair escalated to potentially suicidal states, and those around him felt the necessity to intervene by refusing to let him be alone during these times.

Lincoln lost his mother at the age of 9, which was a key factor in consciously triggering deep repressed emotion that had been internalized, repressed, and stored up in the soul’s unconscious over previous lifetimes.  The loss of his mother set up the emotional circumstance where Lincoln was forced to confront early on the deep sense of essential aloneness within him, relative to being in the world and culture that he found himself in, relative to existing human nature, relative to the role/destiny he sensed within himself in the context of that world/culture/humanity, and ultimately relative to his relationship to the Divine who is the Creator/Origin of all of it.  Lincoln experienced numerous other losses in that lifetime, and all of which ensured that the surfacing of internalized emotional content/dynamics remained cyclic throughout life.  Within these losses was his ‘first love’ and most of his children...I believe it was something like 10 children out of 12 who did not survive into adulthood. 

Lincoln’s life was a truly lifetime of confronting sobering realizations, all of which served to directly challenge the entire basis of the soul’s ultimate beliefs, ultimate understandings, ultimate values, and ultimate meaning for life itself, which was a necessary step for establishing the inner orientation that his destined purpose would/will require.  Lincoln had rejected organized religion as a young boy, and he developed his guiding philosophies through reading and through direct experiences of life itself.  The south node is clearly operational there, with the tension of the squaring moon facilitating the self-determined search for ultimate ‘bottom lines’, ultimate truth, and a deeper understanding of god’s will..how to recognize it..how to align with it in order to act on behalf of it..

He had an interesting ritual at one point in his life with respect to processing all that capricornian emotional content.  He would rise early and place himself in front of the fire, where he would talk with himself in a gloomy trance-like state, reciting sad poetry and contemplating heavy questions and the like.  Those who witnessed this perceived Lincoln as a truly tormented individual, and indeed he was.  Yet this ritual was effective in allowing him to penetrate the intensity of the deeply internalized emotion that was needing to be processed from within soul, such that he could merge with that emotion, express it, and simultaneously access/maintain a profound state of mental objectivity as well.  Within this objective state new penetrating insights would come into Lincoln's consciousness regarding the nature of life, the nature of human being, and the nature of the social structure/dynamics that human beings create..all of this in relation to God’s will and It's participation in guiding these things.   A great deal of Lincoln’s sociological ‘genius’ is a product of this kind of intense emotional reflection...it was a key vehicle in expanding his awareness.  Naturally with moon skipped steps in the chart of Obama there is more emotional work to be done, though in a different way (i.e. identifying causes/sources of trauma and the original intentions within it in order to emotionally liberate from its subconcious effects, allowing for an evolutionary leap).

One other point: Having the 1st house pluto in pisces, Lincoln instinctively sensed the special destiny that he was meant to initiate, and when he acted on these instinctual impulses (mars in libra/9th with the scorpio north node/uranus), it would lead directly into emotional confrontation by way of the results those initiatives would generate from the environment.  The paradox here (which was a lingering paradox that Lincoln wrestled with emotionally) is how and why his intentions/efforts to help establish sociological harmony, equality, peace, and essential freedom for the entire whole had the effect of triggering the very opposite dynamics/results that he desired/intended.. i.e., polarization, violence, criticism, death, war.  (It's no surprise we find lucifer on the polarity point of pluto: virgo/7th house).  The absurdity of the contrast between his clear intent (clarity relating to instinct itself) and the immediate outcomes those instincts led to, helped to establish a new degree of objective detachment, and helped promote a new receptivity in the way God’s hand is perceived in guiding, participating, and operating within human affairs...particularly in times when that Hand appears and feels absent on account of difficult collective circumstances/transitions/processes.  This was also important in preparing/conditioning the soul’s consciousness (in terms of grasping what is and is not possible within existing parameters of ‘reality’) for the ongoing actualization of the work that has been carried forward from Lincoln’s lifetime into the life of Barack Obama, where we find the continuity of that work picking up in an utterly mesmerizing way. 

This is obviously a mere tiny and incomplete part of what is symbolized in Lincoln’s chart, but I’ve run out of time for tonight.

Stacie
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« Reply #36 on: Feb 10, 2010, 04:53 AM »

One other thought.  If I'm not mistaken, the next immediate lifetime to follow was the life of Charles Lindbergh.  Lindbergh has a sagg moon conjunct uranus and vesta in the 1st house opposing pluto and neptune with a skipped step reflected in a 3rd house aquarius sun.  That sun refers back to the moon/uranus/vesta group in first house.  For the first major portion of his life Lindbergh did all kinds of daredevil, adventure stuff.  To me it seems he engaged in activities where he could confront the potential of death and laugh in its face.  It leads me to wonder if a couple reasons for creating that kind of particular ego was to a) counteract the heaviness of the previous life of Lincoln, and to b) immediately confront an instinctive fear of the ego losing it's life (which I imagine would be a strong imprint coming through the trauma of Lincoln's abrupt assassination).  To me this seems to be an absolute symbol (at least one dimension of it) of recovering the freeness to LIVE again.. to renew the sense of exhilaration in living life boldly, courageously, and fully.. to actualize/pursue desires that prior and future life responsibilities couldn't quite support..

It is interesting to consider that Obama was born when Lindbergh was in his 60's..soul splitting.  It was at this time that Lindbergh was progressively devoting himself to environmental/conservation issues before he died a decade or so later of cancer.  Perhaps a conversation that can be picked up on..

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« Reply #37 on: Feb 10, 2010, 08:55 AM »

Hi Stacie,

 Thanks so much for your posts because they perfectly illustrate the dynamics that a Soul creates for itself relative to it's evolutionary intentions, and how those dynamics evolve and manifest as threads from life to life through the egocentric structures that the Soul creates in each life. When the birth charts of Obama, Lindbergh, and Lincoln are juxtaposed this continuity is astoundingly seen and symbolized.

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« Reply #38 on: Feb 10, 2010, 11:08 AM »

Here is the Tri-Wheel Chart for Obama, Lincoln, and Lindbergh ..

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« Reply #39 on: Feb 11, 2010, 08:00 AM »

Thanks Rad. 

One thing I haven't been able to fully reconcile for myself with these 3 charts concerns the phenomenon of 'primary lifetimes' (pluto/mars aspects).  The life of Charles Lindbergh was a primary lifetime for this soul, yet the lifetimes of Lincoln and Obama are not.  Would you mind sharing your understanding on this?

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« Reply #40 on: Feb 11, 2010, 11:54 AM »

Hi Stacie

    First we need to remember that this is a Soul that has already evolved to the capacity of splitting itself into being able to have different lives going on at the same time. I have found in these cases that unless you can determine the root life in which the other lives connect too that this 'primary lives' rule relative to the Pluto/Mars aspect can be hard to see other than the root life itself.

    In the case of Lincoln there is what I would call a defacto inconjunction from his Pluto to his Mars by way of Jupiter because the Jupiter in inconjunct his Mars, and the Pluto is in conjunction with his Jupiter. And both of these are ruled by his Neptune in his 10th conjunct Saturn. So there he was as the President in Ford's Theater watching a play and getting shot through the head: the Mars in defacto inconjunction to his Pluto. And that Mars is ruled by his Venus in Aries, which is the ruler of his S.Node in Taurus, and both are in his 3rd House.
 
    So this becomes fascinating when we move into the root life of Lindbergh, for this Soul, and see that his Pluto is in the 7th in Gemini, his Mars is in Aquarius which is conjunct his Venus in Pisces retrograde in the 3rd, and his S.Node is in Taurus again, but now in the 6th. Mars would of course correlate with the trauma of being shot through the head. And Lindbergh's Mars and Pluto have that primary aspect.

    And then in Obama's chart his Mars in Virgo which is now inconjunct his S.Node in Aquarius in the 1st, Aries, House. And Lindbergh's Mars in Aquarius is conjunct Obama's S.Node in the 1st. Pluto now in Virgo with his N.Node, and the Mars is in a new phase to that Pluto. Both in Virgo. To me this illustrates the point about the root Soul and a primary life that feeds another life that can be taking place at the same time. And, amazingly, Lindbergh died in Hawaii which of course is where Obama was born. So even though this Mars/Pluto is not technically a conjunction it is in a New Phase just past that conjunction.

    To me this does illustrate what I have seen before about a root life feeding another life, or what Wolf called tributary lives relative to a core evolutionary intention for Souls being expressed in the primary lives. One of the main delusions that Lindbergh had was his ideas about the Jews, and his relationship to Germany. He did come to see that his ideas were delusional of course, and very much desired to atone for that. And, to me, this was one of the main causes of the root Soul in all of this, now embodied in Lindbergh, to incarnate , through splitting, as Obama. And thus Obama being born half white and half black, and having related family members in almost all the races.

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« Reply #41 on: Feb 17, 2010, 03:30 PM »

Hi Rad and Stacie,

Fascinating topic you have dealt with in this thread, about the ability of a Soul to split itself in order to create parallel lives as a means to increase its evolutionary rate ….

I have reviewed the Pluto II book chapter about relationships between people being a “same Soul”, though, no reference is made therein to signatures or archetypes correlating to such a condition … I wonder there may not be general signatures reflecting this phenomenon …. ?

… would Soul split be indicated in Lincoln’s chart in the Uranus conjunction with the NN of the Moon in Scorpio ? … would the position of the NN ruler being Pluto in the First House suggest that would be a root life at the end of which the split occurred?

… would the split condition be indicated in Lindbergh’s chart in the Pluto Uranus opposition, with Pluto being the ruler of the Scorpio NN, and the square of the Aquarius Sun to the Nodes?

… would the reunion of parallel and/or subsidiary lives be reflected in Obama’s chart in the Pluto / Uranus conjunction with the NN of the Moon, this NN being ruled by the Sun in Leo, ie. integration?

Further, my last question is: is there any correlation between the phenomenon of split Soul and what I have known as “mirror” experience? ie. people meeting other key people in their lives and, when looking deeply at them in conversation experiencing on a repetitive basis the other’s face changing and becoming or “looking like” just their own face (as if both had just the same face, or as if one were being looked at by just oneself from the other’s eyes)? … These also being people who manifest the very type of thoughts that one would tell to oneself, and viceversa?

Thank you so much for your feedback …

Many Blessings,

Gonzalo.
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« Reply #42 on: Feb 18, 2010, 09:32 AM »

Hi Gonzalo,
 
     The Soul can evolve into the ability to 'split' itself in order to accelerate it's evolution when it reaches the 1st Stage spiritual stage and beyond. When this is an observed fact from an astrological point of view then the birth charts of that Soul that has split itself into parallel lives can be connected through a variety of symbols as we have begun to illustrate in the examples of Obama, Lincoln, and Lindbergh.

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"Further, my last question is: is there any correlation between the phenomenon of split Soul and what I have known as “mirror” experience? ie. people meeting other key people in their lives and, when looking deeply at them in conversation experiencing on a repetitive basis the other’s face changing and becoming or “looking like” just their own face (as if both had just the same face, or as if one were being looked at by just oneself from the other’s eyes)? … These also being people who manifest the very type of thoughts that one would tell to oneself, and viceversa?"

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     Split Soul is also the same as 'same Soul' which Wolf did write about in Pluto 2. The phenomena that you are describing can reflect this 'same Soul' phenomena. Sometimes too this phenomena can occur with what has been called 'twin Souls' that Wolf also wrote about in Pluto 2. Another phenomena that this can take place is through what in the East used to be called 'bindu' yoga in which two people can sit face to face and penetrate each others Soul's through a continuous looking into each others eyes: no looking away, constant penetration of one another through the eyes.

     For most this will reveal a variety of 'faces' that can reflect other lifetimes of each others Souls. The problem here is that the various faces can begin to combine in such a way that the progressive images of the various faces become distorted, and can seem relatively frightening. And, lastly, this same type of 'yoga' can cause the phenomena that you are describing when each of the two Soul's have an evolved capacity to osmose other Souls within themselves, to absorb them within them self, in order to know that other Soul as the Soul knows itself. This occurs when such Souls have active desires to help other Souls with their life issues or problems. Thus, they can give to that other Soul exactly what they need because, in essence, by becoming an inner 'mirror' for that other Soul the Soul is then answering it's own questions and/ or issues through the other Soul that is serving as it's mirror because of this evolved capacity. So when two Souls have this equal capacity, and have the same kind of desire nature to help other Souls, and they then face one another like in 'bindu' yoga then this phenomena of mirroring one another can exist.

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« Reply #43 on: Feb 18, 2010, 04:34 PM »

 
     The Soul can evolve into the ability to 'split' itself in order to accelerate it's evolution when it reaches the 1st Stage spiritual stage and beyond.




Hi Rad,
I am wondering if this soul split occurs consciously or unconsciously or both.

Ellen



 
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« Reply #44 on: Feb 18, 2010, 04:41 PM »

Hi Ellen,
 
 It is a conscious choice by the Soul is made in the astral plane before the births occur on the Earth.

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