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« Reply #15 on: Feb 22, 2020, 08:53 AM »

Hi Soleil

Right now it all comes down to the Democratic convention and who becomes the nominee. Like Sanders he has an ongoing transiting grand trine from Pluto and Saturn to his natal Neptune, Mars, Saturn, and Uranus. He is a 'moderate' so of course the media in America are more favorable to him vs the 'radical', from a consensus media point of view, of someone like Sanders and Warren.

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« Reply #16 on: Feb 22, 2020, 12:33 PM »

i amended my post to include my source on the speculative 12:27 birth time.
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« Reply #17 on: Feb 22, 2020, 11:47 PM »

Hi Rad,

Thanks for your reply and for posting Bloomberg's chart.

Let's hope voters will rally around whoever the nominee ends up being, and let's also hope that we turn out in enough numbers to nullify whatever attacks, manipulation and disinformation the Russians do on Trump's behalf.

All the best,

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« Reply #18 on: Feb 26, 2020, 04:19 PM »


Trump is trying to bring ‘thousands’ of federal judges under his thumb — and hurling the US ‘further toward an authoritarian’ rule: attorney

on February 26, 2020
By Alex Henderson, AlterNet

Much has been written about President Donald Trump’s impact on the United States’ federal government — not only the U.S. Supreme Court, but also, the lower federal courts. Trump’s influence at the federal level, however, goes beyond the courts and the judicial branch of the federal government. And journalist/attorney Peter M. Shane, in an article for The Atlantic, warns that Trump is also trying to bring federal administrative adjudicators under his control within the government’s executive branch.

Shane opens his article by explaining who administrative adjudicators are and what they do.
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“Throughout the federal government are thousands of officials who do not direct courtrooms, but who are, in a sense, judges,” Shane notes. “They are federal employees who preside over trial-like disputes, hear evidence and testimony, and make decisions that can deeply shape people’s lives, such as the granting of asylum and veterans benefits. These executive branch employees are administrative adjudicators.”

The Trump Administration, according to Shane, has “launched an obscure but dangerous effort to undermine this system, and to dictate both the appropriate circumstances for commencing adjudication and the rules that govern how disputes with agencies are resolved. If the Trump Administration’s strategy works, it will have steered the federal bureaucracy further toward an authoritarian future in which all executive branch policy-making must bend to the whims of a single individual: the president.”

Shane describes the Trump Administration’s power grab as a “two-pronged attack on the independence of all administrative adjudicators” and “the agencies that employ them.” According to Shane, “the first prong involves telling agencies, via executive orders, how to exercise the discretion that Congress has given them to conduct adjudication.”

“The second and even more aggressive prong is the Trump Administration’s campaign to undermine independent agencies, which conduct a lot of the highest-profile administrative adjudications,” Shane goes on to say. “The aim is to put an end altogether to the idea of independent officers in the executive branch.”

Shane wraps up his piece by stressing that the Trump Administration’s campaign to weaken administrative adjudicators underscores the president’s authoritarian leanings.

“Impartiality is anathema to Trumpism,” Shane warns. “That the Trump Administration wants to upend a long-standing system for assuring both the reality and appearance of fairness in agency adjudication may be shocking, but it is not surprising. If you consider yourself on block watch for threats to democracy, take your eyes for a moment off the president’s Twitter feed and turn your attention to administrative law. Danger is lurking amid the complexity.”
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« Reply #19 on: Feb 27, 2020, 07:08 PM »

Hi Rad,

What Trump is doing to administrative judges is alarming. I wish more people understood how dangerous this all is. Thanks for posting the article---more people need to be made aware of this.

He's also been dismantling a lot important government agencies while no one was looking. For example, the CDC and the global health security unit of the NSC.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-cuts-programs-responsible-for-fighting-coronavirus-2020-2

And now this insane moronic sociopath is responsible for trying to contain a possible pandemic when we know that all he really cares about is propping up the stock market so he can get re-elected. In the meantime, he's muzzling scientists like Tony Fauci, who have real information.

All the best,

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« Reply #20 on: Mar 07, 2020, 09:42 PM »

Hi Rad,

On Jan. 15, you wrote In the impeachment thread:

"My sense is what the majority of Americans want and need is for someone like Biden who symbolizes America BEFORE Trump. Thus, a sense of safety, familiarity, and stability. Someone who will restructure the government in the way it has been in America, to undo everything that Trump has done: the destruction of the government that is underway. Within this he symbolizes the reality that Obama had created while he was his VP."


You were right. Looks like the tide has turned in Biden's favor. After the disaster of Trump, I was hoping this country was ready for progressive policies, like the kind Warren laid out. Unfortunately it isn't, and it's definitely not ready to elect a woman.

I still think it would be a great idea for Biden to pick a strong capable woman as VP, but because of the intense misogyny in this country, even a woman as VP seems like it might be too controversial.

Do you think the need for people to feel safe, the way they did before Trump, will necessitate Biden choosing a man as VP? Also, do you think the VP will probably be another moderate, or do you think voters would feel ok with a progressive as VP? I have a feeling he will pick someone very safe and moderate.

I think the VP pick is extremely important this time around. Given his age, if he's elected, there's a chance the VP may have to take over at some point.

Thank you.

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« Reply #21 on: Mar 08, 2020, 06:58 AM »

Hi Soleil,

My sense of this is that he will choose a moderate female like Amy Klobuchar. In her birth chart she has lot's of planets in Gemini which would land in Trump's 10th house symbolizing the underlying strength of majority of females in American who detest Trump, and a female who could get in his face. Her Mars in Aries correlates to a female warrior through which many women, and men, would rally too. 

Attached is her natal chart that has no birth time: a noon chart.

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« Reply #22 on: Mar 08, 2020, 01:45 PM »

Hi Rad,

Thanks for the feedback and for posting Klobuchar's chart. It's interesting.

I think you're right, that Biden will pick a moderate like her. I really do hope he picks a woman. I think we need one.

All the best,

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« Reply #23 on: Mar 08, 2020, 03:07 PM »

Hi All,

Yes, I agree with Rad on this one.
Also, Biden's wife Jill, has similar Gemini planets to Klobuchar, so these two women would serve as a strong tag team, a female force to trip Trump.
Of course they are both highly intelligent and while Jill may be tiny, she and Biden's sister did not hesitate to take on those protestors that were coming after Biden while he was speaking after his big success on Super Tuesday.
These two women would appeal to the masses of women, remembering this country is 75% consensus, and they are more in the middle and would appeal to Republican women too.
We need sanity again and something that feels safe to the masses to attempt to bring back a semblance of normalcy again.
I love Bernie's passion for the poor and the middle class, as well as his ideas, but we need someone who can tow this sinking US boat back to dry land.

Klobuchar's Venus is 26 Taurus, so Pluto and Saturn are trining that ie BALANCE and Saturn will enter Aquarius to trine all of her Gemini planets and progressively sextile her Mars in Aries next year. She is tough enough and smart enough for this position.

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« Reply #24 on: Mar 14, 2020, 06:08 AM »

BE READY AMERICA....

America needs to plan now in case Trump loses in November — but refuses to leave the White House

on March 14, 2020
By Thom Hartmann, Independent Media Institute

The Constitution provides a couple of mechanisms for Trump to lose the 2020 election—both the popular vote and the Electoral College—and still hold the office of president for a second term.

It’s keeping historians and constitutional scholars up at night and, based on offline conversations I’ve had with D.C. conservatives I know, is something the GOP and partisans within the Trump administration are already discussing.

Bill Maher and I have been repeatedly asking a question on the air that the rest of America’s media seemingly thinks is too far out to even consider: What if Trump’s lawyer Michael Cohen is right, and after losing the 2020 election Trump refuses to leave office?

On its surface, the question seems silly—nobody who has lost both the popular vote and an uncontested Electoral College vote has ever gone on to become president, right?

Unfortunately, it’s wrong. The GOP has done this before, an action that included multiple threats of violence and bloodshed on the floor of Congress, leading Democrats to cave in even though their candidate won the popular vote and had 22 more electoral votes than the Republican (who became president).

Additionally, the Constitution says that if a presidential election really turns into a mess with multiple claims of fraud or some other crisis, the president is selected by the U.S. House of Representatives.

While that sounds like good news, with Democrats controlling the House today, each state’s delegation only gets one vote—50 votes from 50 states determine the president. And a majority of the states are Republican-controlled, so this remedy would put Trump into office regardless of how badly he lost the popular vote, the electoral vote, or both.

So, how did we get here, and what are the scenarios the Republicans I know are considering?

First, some background.

Swing States’ Legislatures Decide (and Trump Wins)

Article II (the Executive Branch), Section 1, Clause 2 of the Constitution (and the 12th Amendment, which revises it) gives solely to the legislature of the states the power to control the electors who will decide the presidential election.

It does not say that the people of the states shall vote for their choice of president and then that vote shall be reflected in the states’ electoral votes. It’s entirely up to the legislature (without any input from the governor). “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors…” is how it appears in Article II of the Constitution.

Every state’s legislature generally directs all their electors to vote for the candidate who won the majority in the state (Maine and Nebraska are the exception, allowing for split decisions), a system we call “winner takes all,” but a state’s legislature (its combined house or assembly and senate, where each member has one vote) can, by simple majority vote, direct its electors to vote for any candidate they want, even over the objections of their governor.

In the 2000 election, for example, when the Florida Supreme Court had ordered a complete recount of the vote for president in that state, Republicans were concerned that a full, statewide recount would give Al Gore the presidency.

(And, indeed, that’s what would have happened, as a consortium of newspapers including the New York Times discovered a year later when they fully recounted the Florida vote and found that Al Gore won Florida—a fact largely buried by the papers because it was published just two months after 9/11 and no newspaper wanted to challenge the legitimacy of Bush’s presidency during one of the nation’s most severe times of national crisis since Pearl Harbor.)

Thus, had the U.S. Supreme Court not intervened to stop the Florida recount, the Republicans in the Florida legislature fully intended to hand the Florida electoral college vote—and, thus, the White House—to George W. Bush, even if a recount showed that Al Gore actually won the vote.

The 2000 Dress Rehearsal

As David Barstow and Somini Sengupta wrote for the New York Times on November 28, 2000, “The president of Florida’s Senate said today that Gov. Jeb Bush had indicated his willingness to sign special legislation intended to award Florida’s 25 Electoral College votes to his brother Gov. George W. Bush of Texas even as the election results were being contested.”

Barstow and Sengupta added that “talk of a special legislative session continued unabated here today as local Republicans fretted about the possibility that the justices on the Florida Supreme Court, all appointed by Democrats, might uphold the challenge by Vice President Al Gore [for a statewide recount], ultimately awarding him the state’s electoral votes.”

Bluntly, they noted, “The driving force behind the calls for a special session is the Republican desire to use the Legislature to trump the state’s Supreme Court, should the need arise.” In other words, should the recount discover that Gore had actually won.

If the Florida legislature, then firmly in GOP hands, had voted to require all their electors to cast their votes for Bush (or appoint new ones who would), the recount would have been irrelevant; the Constitution gives that power exclusively to the state’s legislatures.

Which includes purple states with Democratic governors and a majority of Republicans in the combined House and Senate of the state, as with Michigan, Pennsylvania, and—most significantly because in 2020 it’ll probably play the role Florida did in 2000—Wisconsin.

Thus, through simple brute force, if Trump, Fox News and Limbaugh, et al, were to loudly claim that there was “voter fraud” in any or all of those states and succeed in casting doubts about the integrity of an election that would put a Democrat in the White House, the manufactured conflict could be resolved and the election given to Trump by one or more state legislatures as Florida threatened to do in 2000.

The GOP and right-wing radio and TV have been preparing this ground for the better part of two decades, constantly harping on non-existent voter fraud by undocumented Hispanics and African Americans who, as Trump alleged, go from polling place to polling place by bus to double- or even triple-vote.

While there’s absolutely no evidence for any of this—despite the Bush administration spending tens of millions of dollars, enlisting all 93 U.S. attorneys nationwide, and examining over 840 million votes and finding fully 35 examples of illegal votes nationwide (and none by “illegal Hispanics”)—this “voter fraud” fantasy is widely believed among the Republican electorate and could be used by a state’s legislature to flip a close vote.

The U.S. House of Representatives Decides (and Trump Wins)

Another way Trump could lose both the popular vote and the uncontested electoral vote is found in the election of 1876.

Democrat Samuel Tilden won the popular vote nationwide but, with 184 electoral votes, was one vote short of the necessary 185 electoral votes to become president.

Republican Rutherford B. Hayes not only lost the popular vote but had only 163 electoral votes.

Ohio’s Republican Congressman James Monroe (not related to the president of generations earlier of the same name) wrote the definitive summary of that election and how it played out in Congress, a narrative he published in the Atlantic in October 1893.

Pointing out that “the votes of Florida, Louisiana, Oregon, and South Carolina, with an aggregate of 22 electors” would turn the election to either Hayes or Tilden, Monroe (who was there) wrote, “From the States just named there were two sets of returns, one favorable to General Hayes, the other to Mr. Tilden.”

The dispute had to do with three of those four states then being occupied by the Union Army (this was just 11 years after the Civil War ended, and Reconstruction was in full swing). At the same time, the Klan was riding high in all four states.

Formerly enslaved African Americans were trying to turn out large numbers of voters for the Republican candidate, but there was also widespread Klan activity suppressing that black vote. On the other side, Democrats in Congress charged that Union soldiers had intimidated Southern Democratic voters, suppressing their vote.

Monroe wrote that the Democrats charged, “that these returns [in those four states for Republican Hayes] were a product of fraud and dishonesty; that, in preparing them, the vote of whole precincts, parishes, and counties had been thrown out in order to secure Hayes electors… [and] they did not represent the people of those States, but were themselves the product of fraud and corruption, and were kept in place only by what was called the ‘moral influence’ of Federal bayonets.”

The nation nearly exploded, wrote Monroe: “The feeling of mutual hostility had been greatly intensified by party leaders, orators, and presses. In some of our cities it took all the terrors of the police court to keep Democrats and Republicans from breaking the peace.”

The 12th Amendment, ratified in 1804, had a simple solution to the problem of neither candidate winning a majority of electoral votes. “If no person have such majority,” the 12th Amendment says, “then… the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote…”

Because all the Southern states had now been re-admitted to the Union, a majority of the House of Representatives that year were controlled by Democrats, as were a majority of the states. With each state’s delegation having only one vote, the Democratic-controlled House representing a Democratic majority of states would end up making Democrat Tilden the president, something the Republicans wouldn’t go along with.

Republicans added that because the 12th Amendment also says that “The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the [electoral] votes shall then be counted…” that the president of the Senate should be the one to make the call as to which state’s contested votes were legitimate.

The Constitution provides that the vice president shall be the president of the Senate, but President Ulysses Grant’s veep, Henry Wilson, had died the previous year and Grant hadn’t replaced him; the president of the Senate in 1876 was Senator Thomas Ferry of Michigan, a Republican.

“It would have been as unsatisfactory to Republicans to have the vote declared by the House,” wrote Monroe, “as it would have been to Democrats to have it declared by the President of the Senate.”

“The situation was serious,” Monroe wrote. “Some thoughtful men felt that perhaps the greatest peril that the Republic had encountered was not that of the Civil War” but that “within a hundred days, people would be cutting each other’s throats.”

Senator Banning of Ohio, “My colleague,” Monroe wrote, “declared in a speech, that, if the Republicans should attempt to carry out their theory of the election, and if a part of the army with eighty rounds of ammunition, and the navy, should be ordered to support them, the people would put them all down.”

In response, Virginia’s Congressman Goode stood up and loudly asked his colleagues if they were willing to essentially restart the Civil War.

“A shout of ‘Yes’ went up from the Republican side of the House,” wrote Monroe.

Cooler heads ultimately prevailed, and both sides worked out a compromise that gave the GOP the White House but only on the condition that the newly minted President Hayes would remove Union troops from the Southern states, ending Reconstruction.

The republic was saved, but only by selling out Southern black people for the next hundred years.

Congress Empowers Electoral Challenges

In the wake of the election of 1876, Congress passed the Electoral Count Act of 1887 to resolve things should such a situation recur. The law (now codified as 3 U.S. Code § 15) specifies that after the president of the Senate opens and reads all the electoral votes as specified in Article II and in the 12th Amendment, then “the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any.”

If a single member of each house of Congress (just one from the House and one from the Senate) objects to the results, then both houses of Congress shall go back to their respective chambers and decide how to resolve the conflict. The objection “shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives” is how the law reads.

I was recently in Seattle speaking at Town Hall with Representative Pramila Jayapal of Washington State. She told me the story of how, in the election of 2016, some Democrats were concerned that Republicans or possibly even Russians had manipulated the votes in Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

She was willing to be the “objector” from the House but couldn’t find a single senator to sign onto her objection. She said she repeatedly asked Vice President Biden, who as president of the Senate, had the job of opening and certifying the electoral votes, to hold up the certification of Trump’s election win, and Biden repeatedly told her no.

The president of the Senate in 2020 will be Mike Pence, and if Trump loses the electoral vote but he and Fox are asserting fraud in some of the states, all it takes is one member each of the House and Senate to throw the issue into debate.

If this is resolved before the first week of January when the House and Senate are sworn in and, like in 1876, the House is Democratic-controlled and the Senate is still run by Republicans, the outcome will likely be a deadlock, which takes us back to the 12th Amendment’s remedy that the Democrats were afraid to use in 1876.

On the other hand, if the Democrats take the Senate and hold the House in 2020 and the dispute drags out into the next Congress, it’s possible (barring Supreme Court intervention) a united House and Senate could reject disputed votes and put the Democrat in the White House.

If, before the new session or if Democrats fail to take the Senate, the GOP or the Supreme Court could force that vote in the House (or Democrats, unwilling to let a new Civil War break out, were to cave in), because there are more states whose legislatures are controlled by Republicans than Democrats, Trump would become president regardless of the popular or the electoral vote.

If you doubt that the Supreme Court might think that the individual state legislatures should each cast a single vote for president and keep Trump in office, consider what Rehnquist, Scalia and Thomas wrote in their separate concurrence to the Bush v. Gore decision that gave Bush the White House, when a majority of the states’ legislatures were similarly controlled by Republicans.

Speaking of the possibility that the House may have to vote for the president, with each state having one single vote (which would have given 2000 to Bush, too), they wrote, “there are a few exceptional cases in which the Constitution imposes a duty or confers a power on a particular branch of a State’s government. This is one of them.”

For emphasis, they added: “In McPherson v. Blacker (1892), we explained that Article II, Section 1, Clause 2, ‘conveys the broadest power of determination’ and ‘leaves it to the [state] legislature exclusively to define the method’ of appointment. A significant departure from the legislative scheme for appointing Presidential electors presents a federal constitutional question.”

Democrats Need to Plan

I’ve had discussions around each of these scenarios over the past few years with conservatives and Republicans I got to know during the seven years I lived and worked in Washington, D.C. The GOP, I believe, is seriously gaming out all of these possibilities.

Meanwhile, Trump is preparing his base for this.

During the 2016 primary and general election, Trump repeatedly said that the vote was “rigged” for Democrats and Hillary Clinton. A few weeks after he won, on November 27, he tweeted, “Serious voter fraud in Virginia, New Hampshire and California—so why isn’t the media reporting on this? Serious bias—big problem!”

In January of 2017, USA Today reported that, “On Jan. 23, the new president told congressional leaders that between 3 million and 5 million illegal votes caused him to lose the popular vote to Hillary Clinton. Trump won the election with a convincing victory in the Electoral College, even as Clinton won the popular vote by nearly 2.9 million votes.”

In April of 2018, he said to a group of supporters and reporters, “In many places, like California, the same person votes many times—you’ve probably heard about that. They always like to say ‘oh, that’s a conspiracy theory’—not a conspiracy theory, folks. Millions and millions of people.” He added that Democrats wanted “sanctuary cities” because “they think they’re going to vote Democrat.”

The week after the 2018 midterm election, Trump alleged massive voter fraud in Florida, tweeting, “The Florida Election should be called in favor of Republicans Rick Scott and Ron DeSantis in that large numbers of new ballots showed up out of nowhere, and many ballots are missing or forged.”

On January 27, 2019, he tweeted, “58,000 non-citizens voted in Texas, with 95,000 non-citizens registered to vote. These numbers are just the tip of the iceberg. All over the country, especially in California, voter fraud is rampant. Must be stopped.”

In August of 2019, Trump told reporters, “New Hampshire should have been won [by Trump] last time, except we had a lot of people come in at the last moment, which was a rather strange situation. Thousands and thousands of people, coming in from locations unknown. But I knew where their location was.”

In early 2020, Trump told a New Hampshire rally, “Remember last time? We won the primary tremendously. We should’ve won the general election, but they had buses being shipped up from Massachusetts, hundreds and hundreds. And it was very close, even though they did.”

This is just a scattering of his statements on the issue; it’s a frequent refrain in his rallies and press statements, and a line repeated constantly on Fox News.

This is no accident; these people are preparing the public for the claims they’ll use to contest the 2020 election as described earlier.

There are two possible long-term solutions to this problem, which is caused by the existence of the Electoral College.

The first is to simply repeal the Electoral College itself with a constitutional amendment, something that was last seriously tried in the 1970s when Senator Birch Bayh led the effort in Congress. It hit the two-thirds needed in the House but fell short in the Senate. Now that the last two Republican presidents have been elected exclusively with the electoral vote, the GOP has dug in its feet and is resisting any effort to eliminate it.

A second option is to go around the Electoral College. Because the Constitution gives the state legislatures the entire power to determine how their state’s electoral votes are allocated, the second way to solve the problem is for enough state legislatures to equal 270 votes (the threshold to win the electoral vote) to pass laws directing their electors to give all of their votes to whatever candidate wins the national popular vote.

There’s an interstate compact to do this (in the legislatures of California, Colorado, Connecticut, D.C., Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington), but that’s only 196 electoral votes. So long as red and purple states continue to have legislatures with a majority of Republicans, it faces an uphill fight.

But neither of these solutions will be in place this year.

Democrats need to get ready for the Republican plans to hold onto the White House when Trump loses by explaining now to the American people, repeatedly and loudly, how there’s no such thing as “voter fraud” but that the GOP’s main tool now to win elections is to pretend there is in order to justify voter suppression and election theft.

They also need to point out that the Republicans are, right out in the open and in front of us, trying to pull off a preemptive version of the 2000 Florida “Brooks Brothers riot,” when GOP staffers flew in from D.C. and pretended to be Floridians, loudly protesting outside vote-counting places and demanding that the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court be stopped and Bush be made president.

Get it into the media and repeat it over and over again: “The GOP plans to claim ‘Democratic voter fraud’ in this election to steal the election for themselves, and they’re already getting people primed for it!”

Then, when the GOP starts screaming that some states where Trump lost “are in doubt” because of “voter fraud,” it’ll be seen as the scam that it is.


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« Reply #25 on: Mar 14, 2020, 01:24 PM »

Hola Rad and All,
To date, Trump is only the fifth person in USA history to become president while losing the nationwide popular vote.

In the United States presidential election of 1824, John Quincy Adams was elected President on February 9, 1825, after the election was decided by the House of Representatives. This election is notable for being the only time since the passage of the Twelfth Amendment in which the presidential election was decided by the House of Representatives, as no candidate received a majority of the electoral vote. This presidential election was also the only one in which the candidate receiving the most electoral votes did not become president (because a majority, not just a plurality, is required to win). Andrew Jackson won 99 electoral votes, and 153,544 popular votes, however, Jackson lost the presidential race to John Quincy Adams who won only 84 electoral votes and 108,740 popular votes!

The United States presidential election of 1876 was one of the most disputed presidential elections in American history. Samuel J. Tilden, Democratic candidate of New York won 184 electoral votes and 4,300,590 popular votes yet lost the presidential election to Ohio's Republican candidate, Rutherford B. Hayes who won 185 electoral votes and only 4,036,298 popular votes.

The United States Presidential Election of 1888, Democratic candidate Grover Cleveland won 168 electoral votes and 5,540,309 popular votes and yet lost the election to Republican Benjamin Harrison who won 233 electoral votes and only 5,439,853 popular votes.

In the United States Presidential Election of 2000,  Democratic candidate Al Gore won 266 electoral votes and 50,996,582 popular votes and yet lost the election to Republican George W. Bush who won 271 electoral votes and only 50,456,062.

It seems like Republican candidates have a history of losing the popular vote, and yet, still win the presidential election, however the Democratic candidates don't seem to be able to follow suit. Trump has already won a US Presidential election in which he lost the popular vote; so it seems likely that if he loses the upcoming 2020  popular vote as well as the electoral vote, he would dispute (calling it a Democratic Hoax) and refuse to leave office.

Rad, what indicators in the charts that you posted seem to support this hypothesis; how can we flush this out in the chart? Thank you in advance for your response.
Pura vida!
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« Reply #26 on: Mar 15, 2020, 04:54 AM »

Hi Chocolate Astrologer

Among other symbols is the transiting Lunar Nodal Axis in the 1876 Chart squaring the transiting Lunar Axis in the 2020 chart. The natal USA Mars is conjunct the transiting N.Node of the 2020 chart, and is square to the 1876 chart. The USA's natal Neptune is conjunct the S.Node of the 1876 chart, and the transiting Neptune in the 2020 chart is conjunct the N.Node in the 1876 chart, and square the transiting Nodes in the 2020 chart, and also square the USA's natal Mars. Just for starters.

I posted these charts so anyone interested could look at them to see what they can see in the possibility of what happened in 1876 happening again in 2020. As that article point out Trump and the Republicans have certainly laid the groundwork for that to happen: if it is to happen.

I am posting the natal USA chart as well.

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« Reply #27 on: Mar 15, 2020, 01:10 PM »

Hi Rad,

Thanks for posting that opinion piece on Trump losing but refusing to leave. A truly terrifying scenario.

One of the things that concerns me is the impact the coronavirus may have on the 2020 election---we just don't know how long it will take for this thing to play out---and I can imagine Trump trying to cancel the election if we're in a state of emergency. Legally speaking, he can't do it, (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/dominicholden/coronavirus-trump-cancel-postpone-2020-election) but that doesn't mean he won't try.

One thing that may come out of the coronavirus pandemic is that it will force states to use vote by mail instead of or in addition to in-person voting, and this could be beneficial to Democrats, as the results would be much harder to fudge. The fact that there are still 8 or 10 states that don't have paper ballot back-up is insane.

I hope Democratic donors and lawmakers are already strategizing about how to fight against Trump's scheme, should he lose the electoral college.

Do you see anything in the U.S. chart for 2020 that correlates to the coronavirus issue or in the election day chart that hints at the pandemic playing a part?

Thank you.

Soleil
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« Reply #28 on: Mar 15, 2020, 02:58 PM »

Hi Soleil,

Yes, this would be symbolized first by Pluto, Virus, in opposition to the USA's natal retrograde Mercury in Cancer in the 3rd, then the Neptune transit retrograde in the 10th in Pisces squaring USA's natal Mars in the 1st, that same Neptune transit squaring the transiting Lunar Nodes with the N.Node conjunct that natal Mars, and the S.Node in the 7th, both these transiting Nodes squaring the natal USA's Neptune in Virgo in it's 5th House, and the Uranus transit which is retrograde in Taurus in the USA's 12th House squaring it's Lunar Nodes: the S.Node itself being in Aquarius in the 9th. One of the archetypes of Uranus is CONTAGION and in the 12th at a collective level. The transiting Sun in Scorpio in the USA's 6th House is opposed that transiting retrograde Uranus, and both are square the USA's natal Lunar Nodes.

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« Reply #29 on: Mar 15, 2020, 06:07 PM »

Hi Rad,

Thanks for pointing out all the vectors in the chart relative to contagion and viruses. Really interesting. Especially striking:

"One of the archetypes of Uranus is CONTAGION and in the 12th at a collective level".

Let's hope this thing peaks soon so that recovery can begin.

All the best,

Soleil


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