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« Reply #15 on: Apr 04, 2020, 12:44 PM »

Hi Julia,

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I tried to respond to your questions based on both the first Pluto book, the recording of you and Kristin Fontana, and also a little bit of my own experience, which of course is very little. I found some difficulty in responding to the second question, though. I would say that both questions were not exactly easy, but the second one was a little more difficult for me.

I also didn't read the answer of linda, that answer previously, in order to don't be influenced by the answers of other members.

That's good that you didn't read anyone else's answer. My hope is that once we all review the core material which includes what I have written and the relevant section in the Pluto book, that we can all look inside to practice applying it ourselves.

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1. What is the evolutionary theme of soul growth this soul has been playing out in all lives relevant to this one? Consider that the evolutionary journey of the soul implies cycles upon cycles of change. Manifesting a phase of life experience, setting up shop there, learning and growing from it and eventually needing to dismantle it and move on to the next.

This is a soul that has been experiencing and learning the aspects connected to rules, social structure and order. This could be a soul that has been knowing, through life circumstances in previous lives, the meaning of being part of a significant role in society. It's possible that they were in positions of authority, being for example governmental leaders.

All true.

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Through these experiences of being an important figure, the soul naturally acquired, by experience, a clear perception of "how the society works", so to speak. In other words, an ability's to "look beyond", in the sense that they developed, through time, the knowledge about certain attitudes someone could have in order to be more easily accepted by the status quo and the society they are part of.

This could be true - but also consider a soul in the first stage of the consensus stage. Such a soul will not have a clear perception of how the society works. In such a case the Pluto int he 10th house would signify evolutionary themes around focusing (Pluto key word) attention towards whatever the soul sees as succesful. This soul might desire to start their own small business and thus will progressively attract to itself the opportunities to grow in that direction. There can be evolutionary challenges that occur in the work place: being abused by one's boss, being weighed down (10th house) by authorities that are using their power (Pluto) in ways that are unethical and oppressive. The soul might not rebel against it but it might fuel a strong desire within them to eventually become their own boss so as not to always be struggling.


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On the bright side, this is someone that learned and certainly mastered the art of being someone that can indeed change (or at least affect) people's lives.

Ths is a true possibility for sure. As the soul with Pluto in the 10th house evolves, they become progressively lmore attutned to the effects of their actions and progressively takes more responsibility to live according to an inner standard of right and wrong.

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On the negative side, we can say that this could be a soul that ended up doing things over prioritizing the focus in being accepted - forgetting and ignoring their personal motivations, their personal sense of value, of what is considered by them, there in their internal structure, to be right or wrong. It's as if there was a voice inside of their mind that is always saying that their focus, their major focus, should be always doing and acting in certain ways as long as this so-called certain ways means to follow and to respect what already exists and what has been already established - putting their internal needs and sense of self-security always in the second place.

Very good - all this reflects accurate possibilities. Just to expand this a bit - the fixation on status/ external judgments of right and wrong over their internal compass can also be rooted in a permeating fear of judgment. So, following and respecting what already exists and has been established no matter what can be a deeply internalized fear of being perceived as "wrong" or "bad" etc. This could be in the work place, in one's family, how one behaves publicly etc. An entire worldview or whats appropraite and not approriate based on a deep compulsion to be accepted and approved of by some external authority which is in fact one's own internalized self-judgment. There is why the 10th house is about repression. Natural basic urges can be totally SHUT off on the basis that it's considered to be "wrong" according to conditioning factors.

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2. What is the evolutionary intention of the current life as signified by the Pluto polarity point in the 4th house?

In the current life, the soul would possibly create situations in which they would feel forced to follow their own needs, reflecting about their own way of act and feel. This "shock" could occur through situations in which they repeatedly are repressed or unaccepted by society, for example. The "pressure" to change and to be evolving could also manifest through an internal feeling, not necessarily coming from external circumstances, as for example feelings that would pop up, in different moments of their lives, of emptiness, of lack of purpose, even after being able to conquer everything they wanted, in order to be what is socially considered to be right, and correct.

This is really good Jules, you got it. What you wrote here is really true and very common for a 10th house Pluto "as for example feelings that would pop up, in different moments of their lives, of emptiness, of lack of purpose, even after being able to conquer everything they wanted, in order to be what is socially considered to be right, and correct" this is one form of evolution: where after years of having everyting they wanted, the soul progressively feels a deep emptiness. This is the drive of the soul pushing towards evolution. "Is this the life I really want? Is this who I am?" This can draw a soul to actually get to know themself and thus enter into a phase where they are accessing a storehouse of repressed emotions and needs etc. Forming a relationship to oneself from within as opposed to according to a fixation with external social standards is the point of the polarity point here.

Great work Jules! I feel you get the core of this material.
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« Reply #16 on: Apr 04, 2020, 01:48 PM »

Thank you for the feedback Ari! Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: Apr 04, 2020, 06:26 PM »


Hi Ari, and all,
A few words about me - I am 24 y/o and living in New Zealand. I have been studying astrology on and off over the last 2 years after my astrologer prompted me to try and learn to answer my own questions. They are also the one who sent me the link to this thread. I practice astrology as a means for personal growth and guidance in an intense phase of my life. However I am very interested in being of service to others when and if it is appropriate.
My learning has accelerated in the last 6 months and I have bought both JWG's Pluto books in that time.

Here are my answers to the first practice Q's. I know you said to choose words carefully, Ari, and I feel like my writing is more of a stream of consciousness combined with JWG's chapter on the 10th House.
I think very tangentially so I often struggle to keep things concise. This is also because I see the depth and want to capture as much as possible. The writing is also helping me understand things myself, so there may be some stating of the obvious, or explaining the same thing from different angles..

Appreciate you offering this practice and feedback.
Best,
Akim

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1. What is the evolutionary theme of soul growth this soul has been playing out in all lives relevant to this one? Consider that the evolutionary journey of the soul implies cycles upon cycles of change. Manifesting a phase of life experience, setting up shop there, learning and growing from it and eventually needing to dismantle it and move on to the next.

The theme of soul growth for this evolutionary cycle, indicated by Pluto's position inside the 10th house, is about the souls experience of authority, security, social-status and public reputation, and the structures of the world that lie outside of the souls internal and externalised 'home'.
The soul will have to keep learning lessons regarding control, power and powerlessness.
Both light and shadow sides to this archetype will be covered. Emotional maturity, integrity and powerful action as well as manipulation, control and tyranny.
Because this archetype is heavily signified by the father authority, which is ever powerful in its authority and ruthless in its judgement, can create experiences in which the soul, relating to this archetype in a disempowered manner, feels a lot of guilt. In some lifetimes this guilt, carried on from the previous lifetime, will leave the soul karmically blocked by society. This resistant resonance with the 10th house archetype forces a phase of reflection to occur. (moving towards the polarity point). These reflections on the inner, and past, reasons for this situation can trigger deep feelings of powerlessness and a lack of control over anything (a lack of 10th house energy). As the two houses can be seen as signifying the parents, with the 10th house holding the 'male' energy, the early family situation (4th house) will provide an experience of the a lack of healthy 10th house energy in the family dynamic e.g a father figure who is not taking on the responsibilities of proper parenthood. Or a lack of structure provided for the soul as a child. This may lead the soul to develop inner security (4th house), an inner 'home' where the soul can provide itself those things which the soul lacked in childhood. Thus transforming the evolutionary lesson of the archetype and becoming empowered again. And thus the soul is also able to be a functional part of the society again. Positively, once actualising a positive relationship to this archetype, this soul can hold a position of authority in a very good way and can positively affect many people through their position. If this was the case in prior lifetimes, the soul will already show the ability to hold these positions and generally embody the archetype in an empowered and empowering way. The family dynamic they were born into will also reflect this. The realisation of time, boundaries and limits, through the 10th house archetype, will enforce a reflection of the inevitable death of all things, the crash of all structures. This will lead to emotional maturity and the ability for the psychology of stoicism – to get on with growth. If negatively expressed (resistance), this reflection may mean the individual will have a pessimistic and nihilistic attitude towards the facts.
This soul may have just switched gender, in either case coming to the limit of experiencing the archetype in either respective gender – a switch is made and the archetype is seen from a polar opposite view in order for the next evolutionary lesson to occur.

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A whole new chapter has just begun (cardinal coming from mutable)
Each culture has a philosophical tradition (9th Sagittarius), and from this the societal construction of laws, values and taboos is shaped. Democracy and religious freedom (9th) moves into Capitalism (10th). Over time this matures into tradition and culture and in this way a nation or society forms an intrinsic identity.
This is the culmination of the socialisation which began in the 7th house.

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2. What is the evolutionary intention of the current life as signified by the Pluto polarity point in the 4th house?

The evolutionary intention for this lifetime, this particular episode of the larger evolutionary cycle, is to establish an internal and/or externalised 'home' in order to better sustain its public responsibilities and duties, to have a more wholesome reputation, to gain an understanding of the small tasks and goings on that happen behind closed doors, at home, which are the foundation from which every step into the public light is taken.
This polarity points to learning how to soften the edges, withdraw, build sensitivity and an inner security needs to be developed which has nothing to do with the external world, and an inner fulfillment that is not related to any social status, role or position.
There is a shift from the left brain (capricorn/saturn) to the right brain hemisphere (cancer/moon). This means lessons regarding emotions. Again these lessons can occur in non-cataclysmic or cataclysmic ways and particularly through the family, whether in childhood or the dynamic of ones own family later on. Self knowledge will result.
Once self reflection has occurred and these lessons have been learnt – that they have established a security within which is stable, no matter what external experiences occur – they can effortlessly rise into the positions of prominence that their evolutionary and karmic necessity calls for. They can achieve a 'work-life balance'.
These souls are learning that evolution is more important than attachments to power.

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« Reply #18 on: Apr 04, 2020, 07:20 PM »

Hi Kasia (Kulrika),

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1. What is the evolutionary theme of soul growth this soul has been playing out in all lives relevant to this one? Consider that the evolutionary journey of the soul implies cycles upon cycles of change. Manifesting a phase of life experience, setting up shop there, learning and growing from it and eventually needing to dismantle it and move on to the next.

 If we take as an example the Soul at consensus stage of development, the position of Pluto in the 10th house would manifest itself as a desire to gain insight within societal structures but maintaining one's own position at the top of those structures (the desire of domination).

Yes, but specifically at the third stage of the consensus stage.

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Generally speaking, the Soul's growth had been taking places through- sort of- exhibition to the external reality. In such process the Soul, might have searched a validation through its societal roles, the power but at the same time through a respect received from others.
 If the Soul, for example, has reached to individuated or even spiritual stage, its experienced gained in the previous lifetimes could serve as guidance to other "less-advanced" Souls.

Great, all true possibilities. To clarify, in the 2nd individuated, the soul with this signature will progressively need to define reality on their own terms, thus to deeply question the ethical constructs and standrds that are assumed by consensus reality. They may not be oriented necessarilty to guided others in lower evolutionary stages, but there will very often be a strong need to define (10th house) one's own ethical standards as there is a strong need to really differentiate and protect oneself from consensus reality about this point. This leading to the third stage where a soul is confident enough in who they are that they are no longer afraid of being sucked back in to consensus reality.
 
In all these stages however there is a growing and penetrating ability of the soul to perceive (Pluto) power structures and where there might be entanglemnts, misuse of power etc. In this way the soul is able, in particualr in later parts of the individuated stages and beyond, to enter into society and create a standard that others can follow that leads people more towards their inner authority. A great example of this is Yogananada, a third stage spiritual soul who had Pluto in Gemini in the 10th house. One of the things he did which he is most well known for is his classic book "Autobiography of a Yogi" as well as translating spiritual teachings in a way that can serve as a guide for others. He instructed (10th house) in an ancient lineage (10th house) of yoga that orients people to their inner soul reality (Pluto).

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2. What is the evolutionary intention of the current life as signified by the Pluto polarity point in the 4th house?

 The intention is to turn the validation's needs (the security impulses) from external position within society to inner sense of security; to find oneself at peace no matter what societal role we are currently playing without the need to constantly prove oneself in the outside world.

Excellent.

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- Is it possible to the Soul to move from one evolutionary stage to another in one incarnation, or it is rather process requiring many lifetimes?

I feel it's best to let Rad answer this as he has a more clear perception of soul evolution than myself. I would say in general, that the soul's only choice in each life is to cooperate or resist it's evolutionary intentions that brought it into this life.
 
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- Knowing that the Soul needs a big amount of experience in order to pass from one stage to another, is it only the one archetypal axis (i.e. Leo-Aquarius) that the Soul is working on during all its lifetimes scenarios in order to may peacefully, without any attachments return to the Source?
 
 ( Example: We can assume that the Soul of Pluto-Leo individual have already had many incarnations
  regarding Leo-Aquarius Archetypes and their mutual interactions..., does it mean that the desire to return to the Source will be ALWAYS manifesting through this particular dynamic??)

I'll defer to Rad as he's more equipped to asnwer your question.

Thank you for your work Casia!
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« Reply #19 on: Apr 04, 2020, 08:27 PM »


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Hi Ari, and all,
A few words about me - I am 24 y/o and living in New Zealand. I have been studying astrology on and off over the last 2 years after my astrologer prompted me to try and learn to answer my own questions. They are also the one who sent me the link to this thread. I practice astrology as a means for personal growth and guidance in an intense phase of my life. However I am very interested in being of service to others when and if it is appropriate.
My learning has accelerated in the last 6 months and I have bought both JWG's Pluto books in that time.

Here are my answers to the first practice Q's. I know you said to choose words carefully, Ari, and I feel like my writing is more of a stream of consciousness combined with JWG's chapter on the 10th House.
I think very tangentially so I often struggle to keep things concise. This is also because I see the depth and want to capture as much as possible. The writing is also helping me understand things myself, so there may be some stating of the obvious, or explaining the same thing from different angles..

Appreciate you offering this practice and feedback.
Best,
Akim

Hi Akim! Nice to meet you.

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1. What is the evolutionary theme of soul growth this soul has been playing out in all lives relevant to this one? Consider that the evolutionary journey of the soul implies cycles upon cycles of change. Manifesting a phase of life experience, setting up shop there, learning and growing from it and eventually needing to dismantle it and move on to the next.

The theme of soul growth for this evolutionary cycle, indicated by Pluto's position inside the 10th house, is about the souls experience of authority, security, social-status and public reputation, and the structures of the world that lie outside of the souls internal and externalised 'home'.
The soul will have to keep learning lessons regarding control, power and powerlessness.
Both light and shadow sides to this archetype will be covered. Emotional maturity, integrity and powerful action as well as manipulation, control and tyranny.
Because this archetype is heavily signified by the father authority, which is ever powerful in its authority and ruthless in its judgement, can create experiences in which the soul, relating to this archetype in a disempowered manner, feels a lot of guilt. In some lifetimes this guilt, carried on from the previous lifetime, will leave the soul karmically blocked by society. This resistant resonance with the 10th house archetype forces a phase of reflection to occur. (moving towards the polarity point). These reflections on the inner, and past, reasons for this situation can trigger deep feelings of powerlessness and a lack of control over anything (a lack of 10th house energy). As the two houses can be seen as signifying the parents, with the 10th house holding the 'male' energy, the early family situation (4th house) will provide an experience of the a lack of healthy 10th house energy in the family dynamic e.g a father figure who is not taking on the responsibilities of proper parenthood. Or a lack of structure provided for the soul as a child. This may lead the soul to develop inner security (4th house), an inner 'home' where the soul can provide itself those things which the soul lacked in childhood. Thus transforming the evolutionary lesson of the archetype and becoming empowered again. And thus the soul is also able to be a functional part of the society again. Positively, once actualising a positive relationship to this archetype, this soul can hold a position of authority in a very good way and can positively affect many people through their position. If this was the case in prior lifetimes, the soul will already show the ability to hold these positions and generally embody the archetype in an empowered and empowering way. The family dynamic they were born into will also reflect this. The realisation of time, boundaries and limits, through the 10th house archetype, will enforce a reflection of the inevitable death of all things, the crash of all structures. This will lead to emotional maturity and the ability for the psychology of stoicism – to get on with growth. If negatively expressed (resistance), this reflection may mean the individual will have a pessimistic and nihilistic attitude towards the facts.
This soul may have just switched gender, in either case coming to the limit of experiencing the archetype in either respective gender – a switch is made and the archetype is seen from a polar opposite view in order for the next evolutionary lesson to occur.

You undersatnd this well and these are all possible expressions of the archetype.

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Notes:
A whole new chapter has just begun (cardinal coming from mutable)
Each culture has a philosophical tradition (9th Sagittarius), and from this the societal construction of laws, values and taboos is shaped. Democracy and religious freedom (9th) moves into Capitalism (10th). Over time this matures into tradition and culture and in this way a nation or society forms an intrinsic identity.
This is the culmination of the socialisation which began in the 7th house.

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2. What is the evolutionary intention of the current life as signified by the Pluto polarity point in the 4th house?

The evolutionary intention for this lifetime, this particular episode of the larger evolutionary cycle, is to establish an internal and/or externalised 'home' in order to better sustain its public responsibilities and duties, to have a more wholesome reputation, to gain an understanding of the small tasks and goings on that happen behind closed doors, at home, which are the foundation from which every step into the public light is taken.

The polarity point here is not about having a more wholesome reputation or understanding the small tasks and goings on that happen at home.

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This polarity points to learning how to soften the edges, withdraw, build sensitivity and an inner security needs to be developed which has nothing to do with the external world, and an inner fulfillment that is not related to any social status, role or position.

Excellent.

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There is a shift from the left brain (capricorn/saturn) to the right brain hemisphere (cancer/moon). This means lessons regarding emotions. Again these lessons can occur in non-cataclysmic or cataclysmic ways and particularly through the family, whether in childhood or the dynamic of ones own family later on. Self knowledge will result.

Everything is true except for the left brain/ right brain association. In EA left brain = Merucry, Right brain = Jupiter.

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Once self reflection has occurred and these lessons have been learnt – that they have established a security within which is stable, no matter what external experiences occur – they can effortlessly rise into the positions of prominence that their evolutionary and karmic necessity calls for. They can achieve a 'work-life balance'.

Prominance isn't necessarily promised here but the general point you are making is correct.

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These souls are learning that evolution is more important than attachments to power.

Yes and we'd have to qualify that statement with "social power" or "security linked with status" etc. Otherwise your statement is genreally true for every Pluto position.

Great job Akim, thank you for your work!
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« Reply #20 on: Apr 04, 2020, 10:12 PM »

Hi Ari thanks for all the info you posted!  Before posting my answers I would just like to reshare a few quotes from your notes that were particularly illuminating for me:

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So on the one hand there is in fact the individualizing aspect of consciousness; yet on the other, the universal aspect of consciousness, which binds all the individual aspects of consciousness together.

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Ultimately, we are not leaving the south node behind and moving towards the north node. We are leaving attachment behind and continuing to evolve. This is an important distinction. Evolution isn’t just replacing one nodal identity for its opposite; it’s resolving the past (which translates to not taking it with us in the present moment) and growing beyond our previous limitations. When the past is resolved, we keep what is true and eternal and move onaccording to our soul program.

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How to create a sense of safety with that dog? Certainly, being direct and confrontational would not make the dog feel safe. The only way to reach that dog is by respecting its existing ego structure.

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The desire to return to source expresses itself via any desires that are relevant to our evolutionary needs at the time

Love this one!

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Remember that desire, being the program for our life experience, doesn’t just mean we become more concentrated. It means that life itself becomes more concentrated with us.

Would you be able to clarify this last part?




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1. What is the evolutionary theme of soul growth this soul has been playing out in all lives relevant to this one? Consider that the evolutionary journey of the soul implies cycles upon cycles of change. Manifesting a phase of life experience, setting up shop there, learning and growing from it and eventually needing to dismantle it and move on to the next.

* Defining oneself in respect to:
- One’s society/culture of origin
- One’s individual physical characteristics in relation to socio-cultural identity, i.e. age, gender, ethnicity, etc.
- One’s socio-economic position/function in society
* Cultivating an awareness of one’s personal sources of power & powerlessness in relation to these socially/culturally-derived constructs
* Acting/behaving/making decisions solely in response/reaction/respect to or as determined by the rules/laws/norms/customs of one’s external reality, society and culture - dependent upon temporal values/belief systems
* “Switching off” from aspects of oneself that are vulnerable and therefore a source of powerlessness in the context of social power and position, in order to be “impenetrable” in achieving/establishing success of ambitions and social power
* Sense of personal responsibility solely dictated/defined by what society “wants” or requires from an individual
* Desires to attain a sense of “supremacy” or prominence in society
* Externally derived sources of fulfilment
* Reaching the “height”, “zenith” or “pinnacle of socialisation” -  reaping the seeds of developing of one’s sociological identity/function
* Desires to make oneself “sociologically-relevant”
* Linking sense of individual purpose to a socially-relevant purpose or function
* Learning to operate within framework - structures, limitations, restrictions, etc. - of society, and submission to external authorities
* Immerse self-concept within one’s socio-cultural reality in order to learn, master and align with the appropriate tools/actions/procedures needed to implement purpose, establish social power, actualise capacity
* Failure/success in utilising one’s potential/capacities; define/accept limits of one’s social capacity
* Coming face to face with one’s inherent limitations - experience sense of futility and depression because of
* Becoming limited/restricted by unfulfilled personal/inner/emotional needs due to intense focus on external orientation
* Gender switch: having reached potential limitation in evolutionary growth possible in previous gender
* Focusing on/Sustaining/tending to one’s outer reality at the expense of one’s inner reality
* Temporal/spatial orientation to “cause and effect”, thus personal responsibility is projected outwards rather than reflected upon inwardly

2. What is the evolutionary intention of the current life as signified by the Pluto polarity point in the 4th house?

* Cultivating an inner awareness/self-concept that is not limited/defined by time and the physical (age, gender - gender switch, culture/society of origin) especially as it relates to one’s “timeless” identity - 4th house trine 8th/12th houses
* Cultivating a sense of “timelessness” via nurturing an eternal sense of emotional security from within oneself
* Dynamic of inner reflection as a means to “reawaken” to one’s inner reality: aspects of self and emotional needs that have become repressed, suppressed, oppressed
* Personal identity/security/fulfilment not limited to/derived from one’s external reality/environment/identity/social purpose/status, etc.
* Discover the internal conditions/motivations that are the true source of/responsible for one’s external reality/conditions
* Cultivating responsibility for our personal attitudes and emotional orientation towards life
* Learning to relate to/operate/function within one’s external reality in a way that is not defined by/limited to/dependent upon the dictates, temporal values/beliefs of one’s reality/society/culture
* Awareness of one’s emotional “infrastructure” vs. socially/culturally constructed persona, i.e. emotional/behavioural patterning, formulation
* Internal vs external conditions: Inner reality/self-image not dependent upon external conditions
* Realising that due to inner motivation to define sense of self via externally received conditionings/constructs creates attitude that others should then therefore also be subjected to the same standards/principles - learning that these perceptions are in fact self-created/formulated/motivated, i.e. judgements
* Realising personal values/beliefs that condition one’s ideas about life/external reality are purely subjective
* Paradox: in the physical world, the “rigidity” of structures enforces stability or ‘stasis’, however due to the evolutionary nature of consciousness and life itself (not static), true emotional stability/security must not become derived from rigid dependence upon external structures/form but rather from cultivating a fluid, adaptable and response attitude towards external reality
* Metaphor: a tower that is being built solely to be the highest of them all - a sole focus on achievement or actualising oneself solely in respect to one’s external reality, is detrimental to inherent infrastructure.  Not tending to/nurturing needs of inner structures of the tower leads to instability and potentially to a “fall” or collapse of the tower, due to lack of inner strength, integrity.
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« Reply #21 on: Apr 05, 2020, 07:51 AM »

Hi Kasia,

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- Is it possible to the Soul to move from one evolutionary stage to another in one incarnation, or it is rather process requiring many lifetimes?


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Yes it is in fact possible for some Souls to actually, in the context of an existing lifetime, to evolve from one evolutionary stage to another. For most though it is a process of lifetimes wherein that process can lead to a lifetime in which it has finally moved from one evolutionary stage to another.

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- Knowing that the Soul needs a big amount of experience in order to pass from one stage to another, is it only the one archetypal axis (i.e. Leo-Aquarius) that the Soul is working on during all its lifetimes scenarios in order to may peacefully, without any attachments return to the Source?
 
 ( Example: We can assume that the Soul of Pluto-Leo individual have already had many incarnations
  regarding Leo-Aquarius Archetypes and their mutual interactions..., does it mean that the desire to return to the Source will be ALWAYS manifesting through this particular dynamic??)


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No.

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« Reply #22 on: Apr 05, 2020, 04:46 PM »

Hi Little April Shower,

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"Remember that desire, being the program for our life experience, doesn’t just mean we become more concentrated. It means that life itself becomes more concentrated with us."

Would you be able to clarify this last part?

By concentration I mean focus, orientation around. The inner desire nature of the soul is the determinant for life experience. The outer is a reflection of the inner.

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1. What is the evolutionary theme of soul growth this soul has been playing out in all lives relevant to this one? Consider that the evolutionary journey of the soul implies cycles upon cycles of change. Manifesting a phase of life experience, setting up shop there, learning and growing from it and eventually needing to dismantle it and move on to the next.

* Defining oneself in respect to:
- One’s society/culture of origin
- One’s individual physical characteristics in relation to socio-cultural identity, i.e. age, gender, ethnicity, etc.
- One’s socio-economic position/function in society
* Cultivating an awareness of one’s personal sources of power & powerlessness in relation to these socially/culturally-derived constructs
* Acting/behaving/making decisions solely in response/reaction/respect to or as determined by the rules/laws/norms/customs of one’s external reality, society and culture - dependent upon temporal values/belief systems
* “Switching off” from aspects of oneself that are vulnerable and therefore a source of powerlessness in the context of social power and position, in order to be “impenetrable” in achieving/establishing success of ambitions and social power
* Sense of personal responsibility solely dictated/defined by what society “wants” or requires from an individual
* Desires to attain a sense of “supremacy” or prominence in society
* Externally derived sources of fulfilment
* Reaching the “height”, “zenith” or “pinnacle of socialisation” -  reaping the seeds of developing of one’s sociological identity/function
* Desires to make oneself “sociologically-relevant”
* Linking sense of individual purpose to a socially-relevant purpose or function
* Learning to operate within framework - structures, limitations, restrictions, etc. - of society, and submission to external authorities
* Immerse self-concept within one’s socio-cultural reality in order to learn, master and align with the appropriate tools/actions/procedures needed to implement purpose, establish social power, actualise capacity
* Failure/success in utilising one’s potential/capacities; define/accept limits of one’s social capacity
* Coming face to face with one’s inherent limitations - experience sense of futility and depression because of
* Becoming limited/restricted by unfulfilled personal/inner/emotional needs due to intense focus on external orientation
* Gender switch: having reached potential limitation in evolutionary growth possible in previous gender
* Focusing on/Sustaining/tending to one’s outer reality at the expense of one’s inner reality
* Temporal/spatial orientation to “cause and effect”, thus personal responsibility is projected outwards rather than reflected upon inwardly

All true and very well thought out. Just to make sure you are really connecting with the essence, I want to clarify that eveything you wrote here reflects the aspects of the soul's journey that will come and go. Gender, failure, success, structures, limitations, social purpose, sense of responsibility etc are all ephemeral conditions. A soul might manifest a position of power and social esteem and then manifest a lifetime or a time of being stripped of their power.  The point with Pluto is graducally moving through these life experiences and directing desire more and more towards the soul itself: what doesn't come and go. All of the 10th house conditions mgiht be relevant for the soul's growth for a time, but none of them will be relevant for all time.

One thing you didn't mention that I'll add since you did such a great job at thinking this though, is the dynamic of a deep sense of shame. Shame here equaling an internalized beleif that one is inherently wrong. This shame can result in a deep feeling that they need to be punished for being a bad person equaling experiences of disempowerment/disconnect from one's inner authority. It will also result in a perception (Pluto) of the world as harsh and punishing. Mayn souls with Pluto in the 10th house carry into the current life a deep guilt that until processed will result in creating a reality of shame, blame and punishment for themselves. It's also common that these souls will have osmosed into themselves societal judgments of right and wrong, resulting in them repressing their own natural human urges and seeing them as "wrong" on the basis of having been deeply conditioned according to external standards.  Of course the Pluto polarity here in the 4th would be about accessing the emotions that have been repressed so that this pattern can change. This often takes time and in particular a new rleationship to time where the soul realizes the need for healing and care.

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2. What is the evolutionary intention of the current life as signified by the Pluto polarity point in the 4th house?

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* Cultivating an inner awareness/self-concept that is not limited/defined by time and the physical (age, gender - gender switch, culture/society of origin) especially as it relates to one’s “timeless” identity - 4th house trine 8th/12th houses
* Cultivating a sense of “timelessness” via nurturing an eternal sense of emotional security from within oneself

The point on timelessness is not necessarily true. I.E. in consensus stages, lets say a person looses their job. Embracing the polarity point isn't about dropping self-concept linked with time and space but with ultimately coming into a new self-concept by way of accessing more of one's inner security and safety, leading them to start a new cycle with new opportunities.

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* Dynamic of inner reflection as a means to “reawaken” to one’s inner reality: aspects of self and emotional needs that have become repressed, suppressed, oppressed
* Personal identity/security/fulfilment not limited to/derived from one’s external reality/environment/identity/social purpose/status, etc.
* Discover the internal conditions/motivations that are the true source of/responsible for one’s external reality/conditions
* Cultivating responsibility for our personal attitudes and emotional orientation towards life
* Learning to relate to/operate/function within one’s external reality in a way that is not defined by/limited to/dependent upon the dictates, temporal values/beliefs of one’s reality/society/culture
* Awareness of one’s emotional “infrastructure” vs. socially/culturally constructed persona, i.e. emotional/behavioural patterning, formulation
* Internal vs external conditions: Inner reality/self-image not dependent upon external conditions
* Realising that due to inner motivation to define sense of self via externally received conditionings/constructs creates attitude that others should then therefore also be subjected to the same standards/principles - learning that these perceptions are in fact self-created/formulated/motivated, i.e. judgements
* Realising personal values/beliefs that condition one’s ideas about life/external reality are purely subjective
* Paradox: in the physical world, the “rigidity” of structures enforces stability or ‘stasis’, however due to the evolutionary nature of consciousness and life itself (not static), true emotional stability/security must not become derived from rigid dependence upon external structures/form but rather from cultivating a fluid, adaptable and response attitude towards external reality
* Metaphor: a tower that is being built solely to be the highest of them all - a sole focus on achievement or actualising oneself solely in respect to one’s external reality, is detrimental to inherent infrastructure.  Not tending to/nurturing needs of inner structures of the tower leads to instability and potentially to a “fall” or collapse of the tower, due to lack of inner strength, integrity.

This is all really well said. Most of what you wrote here reflect a very well integrated undersatnding of how the Pluto polarity point in the 4th plays out and how to understand it's function in general.

Thank you for your work L.A.S!
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« Reply #24 on: Apr 05, 2020, 07:51 PM »

Thank you so much for your time and dedication.

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1. What is the evolutionary theme of soul growth this soul has been playing out in all lives relevant to this one? Consider that the evolutionary journey of the soul implies cycles upon cycles of change. Manifesting a phase of life experience, setting up shop there, learning and growing from it and eventually needing to dismantle it and move on to the next.
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Cycles of learning about the nature and function of society - how it works and their place within it, societal values and how to navigate them. Control and power struggles between the individual and society. Themes of discipline, self-determination, personal responsibility and maturity. Guilt and atonement.  Security and insecurity. Inner and outer authority.


2. What is the evolutionary intention of the current life as signified by the Pluto polarity point in the 4th house?

Developing an inner sense of security and internal authority (necessary for change). 
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« Reply #25 on: Apr 06, 2020, 06:58 AM »

Hi Ari

Thanks for the opportunity and your guidance,but sorry I don't know how to quote.


1. What is the evolutionary theme of soul growth this soul has been playing out in all lives relevant to this one? Consider that the evolutionary journey of the soul implies cycles upon cycles of change. Manifesting a phase of life experience, setting up shop there, learning and growing from it and eventually needing to dismantle it and move on to the next.

Saturn,Capricorn,and 10th house correlate the nature of the society conditions that the soul chooses to  be born into,the nature of this conditions reflect the totality of the structured societies,groups,tribes,countries,laws,customs,norms and taboos.Pluto in the 10th house person have been learning how to establish their authority within a society,and continuing learning how to define their individuality through their social function,to do this, they must learn how the society functions,self discipline and determination,maturity,and submission to higher authority.

These people have desired positions of social power or status,they may have held these status in past lives through manipulating the system to their advantage.many have to do so by necessary effort.All these peope have learned and cotinuing learning how to take responsibilities for the own actions and desires,to be a mature adults,some of them have natural leadership quatities and can be inspirational to others.

 2. What is the evolutionary intention of the current life as signified by the Pluto polarity point in the 4th house?

The person must learn to develop internal security and sense of identify not bound up in the social position.they must learn to understand the nature and basis of their emotions,and to create the necessay sense of inner security not tied to social function.for example,I have a friend who used to said to me that whenever the career blocked,always came the improvement of her spiritual acievement.her Pluto is in 10th house.

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« Reply #26 on: Apr 06, 2020, 10:35 AM »

Hi Annie K,

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1. What is the evolutionary theme of soul growth this soul has been playing out in all lives relevant to this one? Consider that the evolutionary journey of the soul implies cycles upon cycles of change. Manifesting a phase of life experience, setting up shop there, learning and growing from it and eventually needing to dismantle it and move on to the next.

Cycles of learning about the nature and function of society - how it works and their place within it, societal values and how to navigate them. Control and power struggles between the individual and society. Themes of discipline, self-determination, personal responsibility and maturity. Guilt and atonement.  Security and insecurity. Inner and outer authority.

Excellent.

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2. What is the evolutionary intention of the current life as signified by the Pluto polarity point in the 4th house?

Developing an inner sense of security and internal authority (necessary for change).

This is the distilled essence of it. "Internal authority" of course not being 4th house, but the essence I recognize you are pointing to is that with an inner sense of security (4th house) and thus ability to self-reflect/know oneself from withn, the soul is able to trust their own inner compass of how to act in the world.
 
Thank you for your work Annie K!
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« Reply #27 on: Apr 06, 2020, 10:43 AM »

Hi Chengting,

Hi Ari

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Thanks for the opportunity and your guidance,but sorry I don't know how to quote.

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1. What is the evolutionary theme of soul growth this soul has been playing out in all lives relevant to this one? Consider that the evolutionary journey of the soul implies cycles upon cycles of change. Manifesting a phase of life experience, setting up shop there, learning and growing from it and eventually needing to dismantle it and move on to the next.

Saturn,Capricorn,and 10th house correlate the nature of the society conditions that the soul chooses to  be born into,the nature of this conditions reflect the totality of the structured societies,groups,tribes,countries,laws,customs,norms and taboos.Pluto in the 10th house person have been learning how to establish their authority within a society,and continuing learning how to define their individuality through their social function,to do this, they must learn how the society functions,self discipline and determination,maturity,and submission to higher authority.

These people have desired positions of social power or status,they may have held these status in past lives through manipulating the system to their advantage.many have to do so by necessary effort.All these peope have learned and cotinuing learning how to take responsibilities for the own actions and desires,to be a mature adults,some of them have natural leadership quatities and can be inspirational to others.

Excellent.

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2. What is the evolutionary intention of the current life as signified by the Pluto polarity point in the 4th house?

The person must learn to develop internal security and sense of identify not bound up in the social position.they must learn to understand the nature and basis of their emotions,and to create the necessay sense of inner security not tied to social function.for example,I have a friend who used to said to me that whenever the career blocked,always came the improvement of her spiritual acievement.her Pluto is in 10th house.

Great work Chengting, you understand Pluto and it's polarity point very well.
Thank you for your work!


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« Reply #28 on: Apr 06, 2020, 10:56 AM »

Hi everyone!

Being as there are many new people, some of whom will need to review the material and gain access to the Pluto book, it's natural that we give this first step a lot of time. As to my knowledge, there are a good handful of people still intending to post, so I'd like to keep us on this first step until Friday of this week. If you need more time than that just let me know so I can keep track of you.

Thank you everyone for your work and participation! If you have alreay posted your first assignment, you are invited to review what other students wrote along with my feedback to further itnegrate your understanding.

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« Reply #29 on: Apr 06, 2020, 03:12 PM »

I am answering the first set of questions from Reply #5, as I am entirely new, studying seriously for two years.

1. Explain the inherent relationship between soul and ego.

The soul is an eternal individuated consciousness that is part of Source consciousness. The ego is a satellite of the soul and the reflection of unconscious constructs- mechanisms and patterns- that create a sense of self in a given lifetime.

2. What are the two antithetical desires of the soul?

To return to Source and to separate from Source

3. Why is cooperation or resistance with evolutionary necessity the only two choices a soul can make?

I believe it is because the core desires are to either return to source or to separate from source and these two choices to resist or cooperate are connected to those two desires in different ways in different circumstances.

4. What is involution and why does it always proceed evolution?

Involution is the removal, ending or destruction of what already exists, and this proceeds evolution to create the grounds and opportunities for growth.

5. Pluto can reflect evolutionary processes that we don't understand at the time. In retrospect, after the dust has settled, we are often able to glean insight and perspective of evolutionary necessity. Can you think of a time in your life where there were powerful Pluto type cataclysmic experiences that you only later were able to understand?

Around 4 years ago I had Pluto Conjunct my natal Vesta, squaring my natal Mars & trine my natal Chiron. I had a regrettable trauma bond/ ex lover I hadn’t talked to in years move into the house next to the one I own, we reconnected emotionally and it sent me into a deep discernment journey of nearly leaving my marriage, family and long-time role of motherhood. The situation sent me back to myself to question what it is I really want. I eventually learned how to set boundaries and cut ties with what does not serve me, and it was very confusing and painful and felt really karmic in nature. In the end it renewed the marriage I am committed to to be much more conscious and much less dependent. A lot had to come up and be released in the process. Now I see the gift it was and there has been resolution, peace and boundaries are now on all sides.
I have natal Pluto Libra 1st house, PPP Aries 7th house.

6. What is the relationship between Pluto and the south node of the Moon?

Pluto being the desire of the soul and the South Node of the Moon being the conditioning of the soul, where it is coming from, past roles & experiences. It is the souls’ past.

7. What is the relationship between the Pluto polarity point and the north node of the Moon?

Pluto polarity point is the dynamic experienced in past lives, what wants to be integrated or learned, and the North Node is the way in which the soul is doing this consciously.

8. Why is it necessary to connect first with the inner soul really; where they are at in their own evolutionary journey before interpreting the chart?

In order to be of service to the soul it is important to understand what would benefit the soul on its’ journey and speak in ways that relate to their level of reality and to speak to what is important to the individual.

Welcoming feedback & appreciating this space to practice. Thank you Ari and all the others here!
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