Questions about Second Stage Spiritual

[Linda]

Dhyana,

Thank you so much for sharing that!  How beautiful for you to have a friend like her.  Yes, I find all of her videos absolutely stunning.

So you would say she's in the 3rd stage Spiritual?

I've been looking at her chart.  With Saturn conjunct the MC (noon chart only), she is attempting to recover skipped steps (Saturn t-square Nodes).  The Resolution Node, SN Pisces 7th, square Saturn in Gemini (conjunct Uranus, conjunct MC) describes recovering those skipped steps:  communicating that spiritual message, which she does very effectively.  Natal Pluto Leo 12th conjunct Chiron.  It's all there in the chart.

I really like her words:  "Trust yourself".

Inspired,
Linda



PS:  Just caught your last message.  I've experienced those frozen emotions too! (having so many Capricorn planets and planetary nodes).  Am working on self-mastery, and transforming harsh qualities, sometimes painfully, but with surrender (T-Pluto through Capricorn), and in Gangaji's words: "Tell the truth." 

[Dhyana]

Dhyana,

Thank you so much for sharing that!  How beautiful for you to have a friend like her.  Yes, I find all of her videos absolutely stunning.

Yes, I can only call it Grace. ANd yes, my truest friend!

So you would say she's in the 3rd stage Spiritual?

It's kind of ironic in a way --- because what she points to and what I directly experience as who She/We literally are/is, in a moment, as the moment, is that which infuses and runs through all states, levels and conditions, holds and cradles all states and conditions,  is present and moving through and as all states. levels and conditions and what all states and conditions arise and fall back into....So it's almost like from here, a question like that, or any question at all,  simply doesnt arise -- All just unwinds and there is full complete rest....but an ALIVE rest, not static --kinda hard to articulate something like that because it is just so simple, but ever so Alive.

However, in accordance with the paradigm and the evolutionary stages as outlined in EA, when placing her in one of these stages, my answer to you would have to be, YES, I would undoubtedly have to place her under the 3rd stage spiritual description. From what I have understood in EA about the stages on a Soul level, and as I review what has been shared also with these old post here, and as I've read the chapter of stages in Deva's book, every single description listed under 3rd stage spiritual lines up completely, without exception.  And as I go through the descriptions of the other spiritutal stages 1 and 2, they simply do not line up, in numerous ways.  
I could go into more detail if need be.


I've been looking at her chart.  With Saturn conjunct the MC (noon chart only), she is attempting to recover skipped steps (Saturn t-square Nodes).  The Resolution Node, SN Pisces 7th, square Saturn in Gemini (conjunct Uranus, conjunct MC) describes recovering those skipped steps:  communicating that spiritual message, which she does very effectively.  Natal Pluto Leo 12th conjunct Chiron.  It's all there in the chart.

That is great how you just shared that Linda, thank you so very much! I would like if you could share the chart you have? Either on here or you can email it to me. And I did not know that you could find a square to the nodes without a birth time. Can you say a little more about that??? Like why you do not need a birth time to find a square to the Nodes? (PS. I do not know her birthtime either).
 
I really like her words:  "Trust yourself".

Yes, and she really really stressed/stresses that with me, over and over, and as I discovered my chart through EA, I can totally see the astrological correlates match up as to why that is so!  

Inspired,
Linda



PS:  Just caught your last message.  I've experienced those frozen emotions too! (having so many Capricorn planets and planetary nodes).  Am working on self-mastery, and transforming harsh qualities, sometimes painfully, but with surrender (T-Pluto through Capricorn), and in Gangaji's words: "Tell the truth."  


I really appreciate how you share the astrological correlates, Linda, thanks so much for doing that. It really helps me learn more EA.

Love,
Dhyana

[Dhyana]

Just an fyi:

I had recently just revised that post a little bit, and fixed some errors in syntax.

.... but probably not all of them 

[Linda]

It's kind of ironic in a way --- because what she points to and what I directly experience as who She/We literally are/is, in a moment, as the moment, is that which infuses and runs through all states, levels and conditions, holds and cradles all states and conditions,  is present and moving through and as all states. levels and conditions and what all states and conditions arise and fall back into....So it's almost like from here, a question like that, or any question at all,  simply doesnt arise -- All just unwinds and there is full complete rest....but an ALIVE rest, not static --kinda hard to articulate something like that because it is just so simple, but ever so Alive.

However, in accordance with the paradigm and the evolutionary stages as outlined in EA, when placing her in one of these stages, my answer to you would have to be, YES, I would undoubtedly have to place her under the 3rd stage spiritual description. From what I have understood in EA about the stages on a Soul level, and as I review what has been shared also with these old post here, and as I've read the chapter of stages in Deva's book, every single description listed under 3rd stage spiritual lines up completely, without exception.  And as I go through the descriptions of the other spiritutal stages 1 and 2, they simply do not line up, in numerous ways.  
I could go into more detail if need be.

Dhyana,

I love the way you expressed that.

I would like if you could share the chart you have?  And I did not know that you could find a square to the nodes without a birth time. Can you say a little more about that???  Like why you do not need a birth time to find a square to the Nodes?

Well, we know she was born on 11 June 1942, but not the time of birth.  All the planets and aspects on that day will be accurate in the Noon chart, except for the Moon (which moves really fast) and the Ascendant.  So, we can say that the Moon will either be in Taurus or Gemini.  However, Saturn which squares the Nodes, will not move much in that 24 hour period (eg, it could move 1 deg which is not going to effect the t-square to the Nodes).

And bear in mind also that her Saturn is conjunct Uranus which accounts for that remarkable quality of genius in her words.  (I'm just checking the general orb for Uranus square the Nodes.)    

Here's her chart.  

PS:  I thought your syntax was spot-on!  

[Dhyana]

Linda,

Well, I have been wanting to know what I can gleam from a chart with no birth time for a very LONG time, and now I know, thanks to you!!!

I did not know any of that. I just had a big AHA around 12 noon charts!   

I appreciate very much you posting the chart

....and hearing behind the words I write.


Lots of Love,
D

[Dhyana]

It's kind of ironic in a way --- because what she points to and what I directly experience as who She/We literally are/is, in a moment, as the moment, is that which infuses and runs through all states, levels and conditions, holds and cradles all states and conditions,  is present and moving through and as all states. levels and conditions and what all states and conditions arise and fall back into....So it's almost like from here, a question like that, or any question at all,  simply doesnt arise -- All just unwinds and there is full complete rest....but an ALIVE rest, not static --kinda hard to articulate something like that because it is just so simple, but ever so Alive.
I also wanted to add this to further clarify what I was trying to express:  Another way I could say this is that from here, it as if the people (Gangaji, me, others, or whoever) are the very SAME, and yet the personhood is still distiguishable.  It's like  "BOTH" at the very same time! ...So like all  questions about "who is enlightened" and "who is not" just gets wiped out from here,  or just doesnt arise at all.

Yet, "other" is still distinct (but not like before). Maybe I could say the weight is more on "Same", but that really is not it either.  I sense it just feels that way because the weight has so long been in the other direction (soley on person). So it's like BOTH are, at the very same time, but not seperated out.  And just for an example, in this, Gangaji is me, and I am her, (or you, or anyone for that matter) even while, at the very same time, there is FULL acceptance, full awareness, full distinction of each other as person -- So, I am not at all speaking of a denial of the person (me or her or  whomever, other).  All just is SEEN wholly- all inclusive. It's actually like really finally fully being here!  

So, this is also why I find it an ironic question, because from here, there really isnt somebody that can have or get something.

Yet, I realize it is not conscious to everyone all the time. So....

 

I have a really hard time writing about this, but I still do  .

 And the only reason I even write about any of this here is because I was asked the question about Gangaji's evolutionary stage, and for me to answer that question fully, to the best of my ability, this is the way I felt I could respond from the most honest and alive place, to that question.

However, in accordance with the paradigm and the evolutionary stages as outlined in EA, when placing her in one of these stages, my answer to you would have to be, YES, I would undoubtedly have to place her under the 3rd stage spiritual description. From what I have understood in EA about the stages on a Soul level, and as I review what has been shared also with these old post here, and as I've read the chapter of stages in Deva's book, every single description listed under 3rd stage spiritual lines up completely, without exception.  And as I go through the descriptions of the other spiritutal stages 1 and 2, they simply do not line up, in numerous ways.  
I could go into more detail if need be.

Dhyana,

I love the way you expressed that.

I would like if you could share the chart you have?  And I did not know that you could find a square to the nodes without a birth time. Can you say a little more about that???  Like why you do not need a birth time to find a square to the Nodes?

Well, we know she was born on 11 June 1942, but not the time of birth.  All the planets and aspects on that day will be accurate in the Noon chart, except for the Moon (which moves really fast) and the Ascendant.  So, we can say that the Moon will either be in Taurus or Gemini.  However, Saturn which squares the Nodes, will not move much in that 24 hour period (eg, it could move 1 deg which is not going to effect the t-square to the Nodes).

And bear in mind also that her Saturn is conjunct Uranus which accounts for that remarkable quality of genius in her words.  (I'm just checking the general orb for Uranus square the Nodes.)    

Here's her chart.  

PS:  I thought your syntax was spot-on!  

[Linda]

I also wanted to add this to further clarify what I was trying to express:  Another way I could say this is that from here, it as if the people (Gangaji, me, others, or whoever) are the very SAME, and yet the personhood is still distinguishable but not like it used to be.  It's like  "BOTH AND" at the very same time! ...so like all  questions about "who is enlightened" and "who is not" just gets wiped out,  or just doesn't arise at all.  ...Yet, "other" is still distinct (but not like before). Maybe I could say the weight is more on "Same", but that really is not it either. I sense it just feels that way because the weight has so long been in the other direction. So it's like BOTH at the very same time, but there is no separation...and in this example, Gangaji is me,  and I am her, (or anyone for that matter) even while there is FULL acceptance and full awareness of distinction of each other -- it's not like a denial of me or her or other, but all just is SEEN wholly. It's actually like really finally being here!  

SO this is also why I find it an ironic question, because from here, there really isnt somebody that has or gets something.
Yet at the same time, I realize it is not conscious to everyone. So....
 
I have a really hard time writing about this, but I still do  .

And the only reason I even write about any of this here is because I was asked the question about Gangaji's evolutionary stage, and for me to answer that question fully, to the best of my ability, this is the way I feel I can respond from the deepest and most honest place to that question.

Yes, I understand exactly what you're saying.  In other words, what I think she is describing is something very "NATURAL" - the way we used to be during the matriarchy - and how things got so distorted along the way, that we became separate from or believed the illusion that we were separate from our own true nature causing all sorts of horrific behaviours and psychologies - and having to pay the price (the hard way) for all of that (karma) - and make our way back to natural laws that sustain all.  We are still kind of whacky, recovering from all of that - yet at the same time there is an invitation to align with (or remember) what is natural, true, balanced, un-dualistic, and unspeakably good!  

[Elen]

Linda and Dhyana,

Thank you for your posts on this...

Love,
Ellen

[Wendy]

Hi Wendy,

Glad you are interested in participating in this question.  I've been watching many of Gangaji's videos - and the messages within each and every one of them really speak the unspeakable.  It's been very difficult choosing a video that encapsulates it all....but this one incorporates a wider picture, purpose, what our lives stand for......and is in alignment with what EA teaches about Natural Law.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlrfoneoHRs

She does not point to herself as the way.  I'm reluctant to place her in any of the sub-stages of the 2nd stage Spiritual.  I've heard that she lives a pristine life.  Perhaps early 3rd stage Spiritual?

Hi Linda,

I agree she is in spiritual state.  I will have to read more about the stages to determine 1, 2 or 3  placement feels best.