Hello Rad, community,
Here is a new thread about channeling, continued from the "second stage spiritual" thread.
What JWG taught was that the 'channeling' in general is an 11th House, Aquarius, and Uranus archetype but that most who claim to 'channel' are in fact 'channeling' their own individuated unconscious and/ or sub-conscious. We need to remember that the individuated unconsciouns in all of us correlates to our own 'long term' memory that connects to not only this life, but the individual memories of our own past lifetimes. This is why he also taught that so many of these 'channeling' messages from so many seem to conflict with one another. And it's also why so many of the 'channeled' messages simply don't come true at all, as in Claire Prophets case and many others.
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To check my understanding, I would like to present and analyze a few hypothetical scenarios:
I go and see a professional psycic who puts out some cards for me and tells me what she sees about my father etc...
Or, I go to see an intuitive who "channels" my guides who have messages for me etc..
Or, I am playing the guitar and I get in the zone...
In all of those cases, the psychic readers and my playing the guitar are not actual channeling phenomonon. The reason for that is the individual ego (moon, nodes) is still acting as a filter for the information that is coming through. So while there may be actual information that the psychic can gather from my father, and while there is actual information about something coming my way that the psychic can perceive, and while I am tapping into a vibration/resonance... in all those cases there exists a personal filter that prevents in an absolutely clear reception.
The nature of that filter is unconscious- as it comes from each soul's long term memory of the past. The reason these memories are entirely unconscious are because to remember them would mean to have released identification with the past. Thus, releasing supressed memories (Aquarius) challenges the resistance of each soul to face it's evolutionary neccesities (squaring Scorpio) and implies a natural crisis between the soul's actual nature and the ego the soul has created for itself as a means to emotionally integrate it's evolutionary journey (inconjunct to Cancer).
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Most Souls do not have conscious access to the prior life memories for one reason, and that reason comes from the Creator itself. And that reason is this: if most Souls did have such access they would become so consumed in those prior lifetimes that they simply could not, or would not, get on with the business or intentions for the current life being lived. This is why those memories remain unconscious for most. There is no 'crisis' between the Soul and the subjective ego it creates in any given life because the Soul IS THE ORIGIN OF THAT EGO. The Soul structure itself may have a variety of crisis within it, and the reasons for that, and that would then be reflected in the subjective egocentric structure it then created in whatever life. **************************************************************************
Is that explanation an accurate understanding of these principals?
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The way we were discussing the channeling in the other thread had to do with a Soul that 'channels' another entity that is not on Earth, i.e. Z.Z Knight and Ramtha, Jane Roberts and 'Seth'. This is very different than what you are exampling above. In those kinds of examples the Soul 'tunes into' what is called 'hyperspace'. Hyperspace is the dimension that interfaces between the Astral realms and the realm of Earth. By tuning into this hyperspace the psychic then reports what is been seen or tuned into to a client, or anyone who they are interfacing with for this purpose. A classic example of this of course would be Edgar Cayce. In the sleep state, he was a Pisces if I recall, he then tuned into this hyperspace in order to access the Akashic Records that served as the basis of what he saw or reported. The Souls that do this do not displace or dissolve their ego at all. It simply correlates to the evolutionary capacity that they have that is part of their Soul and the ego in any given life that they have. It does not mean that they are perfect by any means. Their own actual evolutionary capacity or ability is then the determinant of how much they can actually tune into via hyperspace, how clear or 'accurate' they actually are or can be. Many use tools like the Tarot Cards, astrology, etc as a vehicle to do this. **************************************************************************
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I am confused by a discrepency between two quotes. This one:
JWG said true channeling does occur but is very, very rare because the ego within the consciousness of those that can truly channel becomes displaced during the channeling itself. And he used the analogy of a 10,000 watt bulb coming through a 5 watt bulb which then causes the entire system of the one who is truly channeling to burn out more quickly than normal. Thus, true channeling is then a Pisces, Neptune, and 12 House archetype.
and this one:
True channeling requires that the egocentric, Moon, structure within the the consciousness of the Soul becomes dissolved while the channeling is taking place. Dissolving the egocentric structure is a Pisces, Neptune, 12th House archetype. So, yes, true channeling is a combination of Aquarius, 11th House, and Uranus with Neptune, 12th House, and Pisces.
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There is no discrepancy here. Channeling as a 'phenomena' is indeed Aquarius. However, within Aquarius only the consciousness of the individual ego is sustained. And because of this the 'messages' that are then 'channeled' get mixed up with that ego: it's own subjective reality. Which then explains why so many 'channeled' messages conflict from one channeler to the next. "True" channeling, again, then is the linkage between Aquarius and Pisces where Pisces follows Aquarius. In that true channeling state there is no subjective ego to mix things up with. ***************************************************************************
So for example, could Venus in Pisces in the 7th house, in and of itself with no rulership or aspecting to anything of the Aquarius archetype, relate to the phenomona of channeling? Or would that Venus have to be in the 11th house, aspect Uranus, aspect something in Aquarius or the 11th house, or be the ruler of the 11th house cusp etc for the possibility of true channeling to occur?
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From what I understand from the teachings so far is that channeling is a purpose that has nothing to do with the individual will of the soul.
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Not true because the Soul and the ego it creates my make a choice for the channeling to occur.************************************************************************
Rather, when it comes to true channeling, the soul is completely dissolving it's own egocentric structure in order to be completely receptive to the channeling energies/material etc. Therefore my hunch would be that as a general rule the possibility of true channeling correlates to the Pisces archetype in synthesis with the Aquarius archetype because a soul needs to be free from the totality of all suppressed memories (Aquarius) in order to serve as a pure extension of divine will (Pisces). Would the Cancer archetype also need to be a part of that as well as in the end, all experiences are integrated through the emotional body... and thus the the ego itself has to be surrendered?
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The Soul does not need to be free of it's own memories of itself, other lifetimes in order to serve as a pure extension of divine will. Cancer is one of the archetypes of the subjective ego that the Soul creates in any given life, and is part of the natural trinity of Pisces and Scorpio. In combination these correlate to the evolution of the Soul in general, and how that evolution is reflected in the subjective ego, Cancer, in each life. In the end this is about remembering our origins: God/ess. And, thus, aligning, consciously, our Soul/ will with that Origin. In so doing the subjective ego simply reflects that. So it's a matter of aligning our Soul, and the will within it, to the will of the Creator, the origin of the Soul in the first place. If that equals surrender in your terms, reality, then yes. *****************************************************************************
OR, perhaps a synthesis via rulership/aspects between the Aquarius/ Pisces archetypes isn't neccesary- but rather both the aquarian and piscean dynamics are operative in a chart
as they are in order for channeling to potentially occur?
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Both archetypes are operative and, when they are, there is a synthesis*************************************************************************
3. Do you, or any ea teachers know of John of God? If so, I would like to post his chart so we can understand channeling through his example.
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He does not 'channel' in the sense of what was discussed above: channeling another entity. He does tune into the astral realms through attunement via hyperspace. He also, as many, many healers do, tune into the Soul of the others that he works with....interfaces with. And by tuning into the Soul of the other he then becomes aware of the entire history of that Soul. 