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Linda
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« Reply #15 on: Aug 11, 2010, 07:18 PM »

Ellen,

Like you, I wanted to think for myself, but I found that reading others' thoughts and insights filled out, and, in many instances, corrected my understanding of this paradigm.  That's why this MB is so special and helpful to us students.  I'm amazed at how much one can learn by reading the MB every day.


Upasika,

It was really helpful reading how you are able to condense a paragraph into your own words, and how you refresh your understanding by going back to relevant sections of the book(s).  In that sense, we are all learning how to formulate our own ideas around this paradigm, ensuring that they are accurate, and using our intuition to actually pinpoint or grasp the meaning of an archetype.  I can certainly do with a lot of practice in this area. 

The Practice Charts thread is amazing, because it has given me the opportunity to actually buckle down and do the work, and get feedback from Rad as well.  I've learned a lot from making mistakes along the way too.   

As for a prospective "Understanding the whole of an archetype" thread, I need to devote time to the present practice chart, but I'll be endeavouring to start the archetype thread some time in the near future, unless someone else would like to start one now - and also if this idea is acceptable to the moderators.
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« Reply #16 on: Aug 12, 2010, 10:03 PM »

Hi Linda,

I was thinking more about this idea for a thread ... and feel it would be a wonderful resource, especially for example for using when doing the practice charts. Like Ellen I might not be able to contribute much in the beginning, but later on I would be able to. I feel its great you want to set it up in a little while.

Upasika
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« Reply #17 on: Aug 13, 2010, 09:47 PM »

Hi Linda, Upasika, All,

Just throwing out an idea for the proposed thread (for whenever it manifests).  Perhaps that could be a place to go through each archetype and each of us do what Upasika does - go through it paragraph by paragraph and post our summaries.  Or one person could post theirs and others could comment, etc....

Linda,
I don't know exacly what you had in mind and I don't mean to impose my own idea onto your proposal; I am open to anything you propose. I just wanted to throw this out as a possibility simply because I liked Upasika's approach in his own studies and thought it might be a fun way to practice/study EA together.

Peace,
Ellen
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ari moshe
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« Reply #18 on: Aug 13, 2010, 10:16 PM »

I really like that idea too!
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Linda
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« Reply #19 on: Aug 14, 2010, 03:16 AM »

Ellen, Ari, Upasika, others who are interested:

"Understanding the Archetypes"

There's no reason why we cannot amalgamate all approaches.  I had a few other ideas to add:

*  To begin a new thread for each archetype, e.g. "Understanding the Aries/Mars/1st Archetype."
*  Anyone can join in at any time.
*  That we begin when the present Practice Chart has been completed.


1.  To begin work on each archetype as Deva suggested:  

Deva said:  "My advice would be to grasp the whole of what is being learned first - not all of the individual facts/details (intuitively work with what you are studying.....) and allow all the individual parts/facts to naturally come together.  For example - if you are studying the archetypes - grasp what the whole archetype is about first - i.e. Capricorn is about the structure of consciousness, and then go into the specific correlations of that archetype."

We could then go into the specific correlations of that archetype, such as:

2.  A para by para summary using Upasika's method.
3.  How the archetype manifests in a distorted way.
4.  How it can manifest when resistance is offered.  
5.  How it has manifested as a result of patriarchal conditioning.
6.  How it manifests on individual and collective levels.
7.  How it is expressed in the Natural Law of giving, sharing and inclusion.
8.  Comparing the different expressions in Consensus / Individuated / Spiritual stages.
9.  How one could cooperate with that archetype so as to improve/evolve that area.
10.  How to assist clients with difficult issues around that archetype.
11.  To post and discuss example charts where that archetype is prominent.

Send your suggestions - we'll add them to the list.

We would need the permission of the moderators first.
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« Reply #20 on: Aug 14, 2010, 06:04 AM »

Hi Linda and all,

That looks to be a very good structure for the threads.

One thing that struck me though was that (assuming the moderators are OK with it), it would obviously be a "topic" (whole series of interconnected threads) that would grow very large in size, and by implication potentially extend in time and effort almost without limit as the topic is so big. I think that's fine as it would be creating a wonderful core resource, but we may not want it to take over to the exclusion of everything else.

For example we might not want it competing too strongly for the time we have to do the practice charts which are very valuable too. So maybe each thread (eg Aries/1st/Mars) in this new topic would need to be done in measured bursts interspersed with other topics on the MB such as practice charts and other general questions that are always arising. Kind of time sharing with other topics. What does everyone think?

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« Reply #21 on: Aug 14, 2010, 08:24 AM »

sounds like a great idea.
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ari moshe
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« Reply #22 on: Aug 14, 2010, 08:42 AM »

Hi All,

Here's what I have to add to Linda's list:
- Physiological associations with the archetypes. One thing that we can explore is "why" does any particular physiology/health issue etc correlate to any particular archetype. The "why" would be answered based on our understanding of the essence of the archetype, and then the appropriate observation and correlation.

One approach, if this interests ya'll and the moderators agree, would be that whoever posts on that thread would work, on their own, through all the various correlations as if it was an assignment to be completed by each individual (like the practice thread). This way it keeps the focus, and each one of us can approach the thread and give it our all when we are ready. Of course we would also have the opportunity to read what other people write and interact with that.

Ari Moshe
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« Reply #23 on: Aug 14, 2010, 10:00 AM »

Hi All,

I think Upasika brings up a good point and Ari's suggestion might just be a solution (assuming the moderators approve this idea).  (I would not be able to participate beyond reading what others write and asking questions/commenting on it as I have my hands full with my pt coursework.)  One other possibility is simply focusing on one of the segments that Linda outlines at at time, then taking a break, then moving on to the next.  Not sure if that would actually work in actuality, but just a thought.  Also, if we just focused on one segment at a time (ie, Aries - overarching archeype), we could then start up a new thread with each new segment (ie, Aries - paragraph summaries could be a thread of its own).  My thinking on this is that, as Upasika pointed out, this process would become quite extensive.  Breaking it up would perhaps make it easier to reference later and also perhaps keep us focused on the specific area we're working on.

Just some thoughts.   

Ellen
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« Reply #24 on: Aug 14, 2010, 10:03 AM »

PS I also agree that the Practice Charts need to take precedence as I think that is where the "meat" of the learning takes place...
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« Reply #25 on: Aug 14, 2010, 12:27 PM »

All of you,

 I think these ideas you are all coming up with for a new thread are really wonderful. And I would encourage you to do so. As a moderator I will read through all that each of you write with a pretty much 'hands off' attitude unless I feel something really is off base, and stays that way. You can also let me know what role you would like me to take.

God Bless, Rad
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« Reply #26 on: Aug 14, 2010, 07:12 PM »

Rad:

"UNDERSTANDING THE ARCHETYPES"

Thank you so much for your kind offer of Moderation for the proposed series of threads, "Understanding the Archetypes - Aries, Taurus, Gemini...."

If you agree, it would be great if you could read through our work/contributions and offer corrections when necessary in the role of Principal Moderator.  Since you are quite busy, we would only hear from you in the event that something was going off-base.  Other committee members/experienced members could offer contributions/support along the way (subject to their agreement and availability).

As Upasika commented, we don't want to dominate the MB with this project, but weave it into the existing structure in a way that takes into account the time that is necessary to fulfill work in the Practice Chart and other MB topics.


Ari:

I like your idea that whomever posts would work, on their own, through all the various correlations as if it were an assignment to be completed by each individual.  We could also work on Parts I, II and III separately so as to be able to compare and discuss our work with each other as we go along.  This is a long-range project for sure!


Everyone:

Here's one way the structure could be built:


Principal Moderator:  Rad


Expert Reviewers:  Other more experienced members - to read and make contributions if they wish.


Facilitators:  Linda, Ari, Bluesky, Bradley, Ellen, Upasika - subject to agreement and availability.  A core group of Facilitators could share the responsibility of commencing new threads for each Archetype (Parts I, II and III).


Resources:
*  JWG's books
*  Deva's books
*  Pluto School DVD course
*  MB Resources, EA Websites
*  Books such as Patricia Walsh's "Understanding Karmic Complexes:  Evolutionary Astrology and Regression Therapy"
*  Example charts


Part I   :  Grasping and understanding the WHOLE archetype first.  To share, compare and discuss our findings with each other, with everyone joining in.  

Quote by Deva:
 "My advice would be to grasp the whole of what is being learned first - not all of the individual facts/details (intuitively work with what you are studying.....) and allow all the individual parts/facts to naturally come together.  For example - if you are studying the archetypes - grasp what the whole archetype is about first - i.e. Capricorn is about the structure of consciousness, and then go into the specific correlations of that archetype."


Part II
 :  Specific correlations of the archetypes (a brief and concise summary of each item).  Once again, to share, compare and discuss our findings with each other.  Attempt all or any of the following:

1.   Possible ways the archetype may have been wounded in past lives due to patriarchal conditioning (eg historical correlations).
2.   Possible ways the archetype may have been carried over into the present life (behavioural patterns, distortion, resistance, trauma, shock, etc.)
3.   An outline of the archetype in its empowered form, as an expression of the Natural Law of giving, sharing and inclusion.
4.   Comparison of the archetype in the Consensus / Individuated / Spiritual stages.
5.   How the archetype manifests on Individual and Collective levels (eg nations).
6.   Physiological associations with the archetype.  "Why" does any particular physiology/health issue etc correlate to the archetype.
7.   How to assist clients with difficult issues by improving/evolving that area.
8.   To discuss sample charts where that archetype is prominent.
9.   Sign polarity catch phrases, eg Virgo/Pisces - "practical idealism."


Part III
:  Paragraph summaries of the archetypes (in our own words) based on Pluto I.


Naming of threads:  

Aries   - Understanding the Whole Archetype  (first thread coming soon)
Taurus - Understanding the Whole Archetype
Gemini - Understanding the Whole Archetype
etc..........

Aries   - Specific Correlations of the Archetype  (first thread coming soon)
Taurus - Specific Correlations of the Archetype
Gemini - Specific Correlations of the Archetype
etc..........

Aries   - Paragraph Summary of the Archetype   (first thread coming soon)
Taurus - Paragraph Summary of the Archetype
Gemini - Paragraph Summary of the Archetype
etc..........


Timing:   Whomever is ready now can commence work on either/all Parts I, II and/or III of this project focusing on the ARIES ARCHETYPE first.  The first three threads (Aries - Parts I, II, III) will be created very soon.  Others who are presently working on the current Practice Chart can join in whenever they are ready.  It's important to understand that the Practice Charts thread and current/upcoming MB topics will take precedence over this new project.  We need to take a very flexible approach, and fine-tune as we go along.



Please send your further suggestions which will be incorporated into the above, if you agree, and Rad can give the final go-ahead.
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« Reply #27 on: Aug 14, 2010, 08:06 PM »

this is just a test.  for some reason i'm not seeing any of the new posts on this thread, including my last post, so just checking to see if this posts...  Mercury's shadow seems to have begun.
Ellen
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« Reply #28 on: Aug 14, 2010, 09:37 PM »

Hi everyone, I would like to say that I will probably mainly be reading along, taking all the info in.  More likely to ask questions, than anything!  I'm looking forward to this getting started.  I have also been thinking along the lines of sign polarity "catch phrases", if that doesn't sound shallow.

Such as virgo/pisces - "practical idealism".
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« Reply #29 on: Aug 14, 2010, 09:42 PM »

I wanted to let everyone know that Patricia Walsh's book "karmic complexes" does a pretty good job of covering various essential qualities of the archetypes and then working with left brain associations a good deal. Im really enjoying her book.
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