I don't understand. Are you saying EA doesn't 'believe in' the creative potential of the individual? That when we consciously direct God/dess energy thru us, towards an end, there is nothing there? That we are powerless to influence the negatives of the world...the advantage-takers? That we are not connected...so that when one gains, all gain (or grow, or expand, or draw closer to source)?
I never said anything of the sort.
The difference is, there are LIMITS to the creative potential within each individual, relative to overall context.
For example, if you happened to be born around 1920 in a European country, by the time you were coming of age there was a good chance your country was overrun with German soldiers. No matter how much people banded together to consciously direct God/dess energy thru then, towards an end, there were still German soldiers in their country, and those soldiers were doing unspeakable things to many people. No one in their right mind consciously asked God/dess to have German soldiers invade their country. And no matter how much people prayed they just were not going away. So why was the collective creative potential unable to will these German soldiers away?
We do not have complete capacity to create any reality we want. Everything happens within the limits of a Soul program intended for that lifetime. This exists on collective levels as well as individual levels.
If you have not ready my earlier post called Pluto in Cap, the USA, the future of the world, I suggest you do so as I discussed in it some of the overall conditions in the world at this time.http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php/topic,268.0.html
You need to take what I said in the Global Consciousness post in the context of that earlier post.
I DO understand that we are responsible for our own work, that we are developing (or remembering) the capacity to love unconditionally...without judging. JWG talks lovingly of Jesus. What does Jesus mean by telling us to love others in spite of their flaws? I'm trying to get how it is moving anything forward to repeat over and over that we are being shafted by others? This 'Realism' is as creative as the love sent out in a convergence. Don't we have even the choice of where to and how to send our energies? ARE we powerless?
The best response I have to this, Chuck, is something I read from Martin Luther King. He was asked if he hated his enemies. His response was "I love my enemy. I hate his deeds".
How can you unconditionally love without judging people and actions who are defiling the Divine intentions of living in cooperation, sharing, and inclusion on a daily basis? That is not love, that is denial. There IS such a thing as NATURAL judgment, to simply know what is right. As Jeffrey used to say, you don't need a religion to teach you it is wrong to put your baby out to play on the Autobahn (German superhighway). And you don't need a religion to teach you that taking everything for yourself and leaving thousands and millions hungry, homes in foreclosure, jobs exported to other nations, is just WRONG. How can you love THAT? How can you love that German soldiers are invading your country, raping your women, killing your old people? Please explain how that is possible.
You can not single-handedly change the world. And you and one million friends can not single handedly change your country if thirty million other people are buying into something you consider fundamentally wrong. You are going to have to convince a whole lot of them to change their minds before you are getting very far. You think you have the answers and the right ways, but the people whose views are 180 degrees away from yours feel they have the right answers too.
So yes, there are limits to your power to change the collective, because the collective has the right and the power to reject your vision.
In terms of are we powerless, when they couldn't get rid of those German soldiers, did that mean they were powerless? That is for you to define in your own reality.
Belief in creative intention doesn't seem like a fairytale to me. Isn't this simply faith that love has creative power? Is this simply a treadmill, working on our selves while dissing those who are not in our camp?
I never used the term fairy tale in anything I wrote.
I do consider belief that the answer is aliens from another planet are going to deliver technology that will save us is a fairytale. Belief that everyone on earth, or at least millions of people, are going to suddenly wake up enlightened the day after Dec 21, 2012 is a fairy tale. Belief that all the good spiritual people are going to Ascend and be taken to some other dimension of peace love and bliss, leaving all the creepy people down here on earth stuck with the mess is a fairy tale (I call it the New Age Rapture).
There are natural laws, natural processes. These have their own workings. They are how God/dess created Creation. They don't change - they are the foundation of everything. Aligning self with them brings one set of consequences. Consistently violating them brings another set of consequences. If you eat healthy food regularly and keep in good physical shape, you are fairly likely to remain healthy. If you live on candy bars, smoke two packs a day, never exercise, you are fairly likely to have your health deteriorate. Is having your health deteriorate a punishment or a natural consequence?
The only issue about people who are "shafting us" (a phrase I never used) is that is the REASON progress is so difficult. The issue is not that people are shafting us, the issue is that human behavior is changing the environment and ecology of the planet on a biological level. Each species has evolved to function within certain climates (temperature ranges and precipitation), requires certain foods, etc. Human behavior is shifting that on a mass scale beyond anything that has ever before happened on this planet. And there are CONSEQUENCES to future generations from all of this shortsightedness.
You missed most of my point if you felt what I was writing was a rant against the powerful.
Jeffrey said many times if you looked at the Earth from outer space, the human species would look like a cancer upon the earth. A cancer is cells that are reproducing so rapidly that they literally kill the host within which they live. Thus they are committing suicide, for they too die in the process. The human species operates with complete self-granted license to do whatever it wants, completely oblivious to the rights of all other species, feeling superior to everything else and oblivious to its true nature. That is the real issue. And that is what has to change. So if you want to work for change and peace and love, something needs to be done rapidly to prevent the human species from destroying future possibilities of life on this planet.
My points about the powerful were that it is those forces, especially their control of the mass media, that keeps everything the way it is.
This to me is the danger in what you said about unconditionally loving everything. Do you unconditionally love a mass murderer who wants to kill your children, or do you do what you can do to try to get it stopped? What do you do when you discover that the authorities whose function is supposed to be stopping such people are secretly in cahoots with him? Its a loose analogy, but is more or less what I was trying to say.
Seems bckwards some how...to suggests that love is an escapist activity...unless it is only for self.
I never said love was an escapist activity. I never even mentioned love. You seem to consider what happens at this global event love, and then decided I said the whole thing was escapist (which I never said) and thus since I guess you consider what happens at the event to be love, that I was saying that love is escapist. I never mentioned the words love or escapist.
And I certainly never said anything about "unless it is only for self".
My main point was, one days event is not going to change much of anything. What will change things is consistent daily action and growth. If people use the one day event to change their ongoing behaviors, then the event has served a useful purpose. If people go back to their same old same old after the one day event, then that event is not really making a very big difference. As ever, it comes down to the individual decisions made in the lives of millions of people.
Do you understand that in reality there is no such thing as a stand alone collective? That a collective is made up of individuals? That it is the individual decisions of millions of individuals that constitute a collective - that is the essence of Consensus. It is millions and billions of of individual people who have to change their thoughts, patterns, habits, beliefs to evolve a consensus. It goes from the bottom up, not from the top down.
No one is saying head-in-sand,
I disagree. MANY people are saying head-in-sand, while not using those words. Unconditionally loving people who are creating misery for millions, to me is almost a definition of head-in-sand.
but once we know let's work on creating otherwise with alll our energies...
Once we know WHAT?
No miracles you say? No magic?
Again you are misquoting me, and did not understood what I was saying. I never mentioned the word miracles. And I defined above what I called Magical Thinking. You have misinterpreted what I meant by that term. Please see what I said above.
You really are not seeing the bigger picture, larger perspective of what I am talking about. What I wrote obviously pushed some buttons in you. If you are interested, you might try reading the posts I've been putting up once again. If you can, while you read, try to clear your mind of your pre-existing beliefs and just take in what I am saying without comparing it to what you believe.
It makes no difference to me if you agree or disagree. But I will say, you missed most of the points I was trying to make.
thank you for sharing your perspective