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« Reply #210 on: Jul 10, 2020, 01:58 AM »

Hi Akim,
I know we are not supposed to delve into our personal charts and ask questions that would only pertain to us, so I won't. So as a general question, knowing your Neptune is a skipped step, and also that this is a beginner's thread - have you been able to identify your resolution node? Especially during this time of disillusionment, have you been able to put into context what that would look like?
Again, this is not a place for personal readings, but have you been able to make sense of things for yourself?
Hope all is well!
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Hi Oliver,
Cheers for the encouragement to practice applied learning. I think answering this question broadly could be helpful rather than detracting from the thread, so I shall go ahead.

Yes, I have identified the 'resolution node'. It is the N. node for me. And I have been unpacking the symbols of the sign and house for the N. node, as well as the S. node and Neptune.

Few things I have noticed: is that in those moments, episodes, days when 'the fog lifts' and I have a sense of clarity and orientation on where I am, who I am and where I'm going - in those moments I could say that I am in touch with or embodying the energies that I correlate to my N. node, by house and sign. And in those moments, when I look ahead, then I see those same symbols as a calling, a feeling of desire and meaning (a path).

Those 'glimpses' come, pretty much, 'out of the blue'. I have also played with trying to actively embody the energies or traits that I think my N. node signifies, however it seems to create resistance and adds to the confusion.

I see some confusion in my understanding of what is really defined by 'skipped step' and 'resolution node'. A part of me, I guess 'ego', can grab onto that in way that defines 'skipped step' as 'problem' and 'resolution node' as something I can/need to figure out or crack in order to solve the 'problem'.

Unpacking the word "resolution" gives more food for thought.. three definitions that jumped out at me are;-

1. "a firm decision to do or not to do something." - this correlates more to my initial "I'm going to do my n. node." attitude.

2. "the conversion of something abstract into another form." - this correlates to a gentler version, where I playfully interact with and unpack the archetypes and symbols involved, without trying to hard to come to final conclusions or make things happen. This procession of 'conversion' seems to happen as a byproduct of curiosity.

3. "the passing of a discord into a concord during the course of changing harmony." - this seems to correlate most to the essence of the matter. The 'musical score' that is my evolutionary process plays and now and then a bridge or resolution happens before the next verse with its discord comes.
Maybe eventually the 'musical movement' that is my 'skipped step' will have a final resolve and I will hear and play the song of my N. node. Or maybe the N. node is a 2nd movement that will be gradually introduced, providing a resolution for the skipped step issues.

So yeah, it has been helpful to have these ideas there, working in my conscious and unconscious, and the N. node symbols do seem to correlate to a sense of freedom whereas the S. node symbols seem to correlate to patterns of resistance and control.
The S. node also seems to hold some of the very qualities that I need in order to realise the N. node. This is also how I have heard some EA astrologers speak to the 'skipped step' - that there is a bit of a 'seesaw' going on.

Whether any of this is real, or because I have superimposed the meaning on top of it - I don't know.

+ IF what is going on for me correlates to this Pluto, Saturn and Jupiter conference around my skipped step Neptune, then I would say it has to do with a thorough excavation and examination of ones coping strategies, illusions and delusions, addictions and dreams.
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« Reply #211 on: Jul 14, 2020, 10:04 PM »

Then, consider, "how has the 3rd house identity structure served as a vehicle for the desires of Pluto in the 12th?" What might be some areas of resistance and where might the soul be empowered?

Since Gemini is a sign ruled by Mercury, a planet that represents how we process the information in a rational, left-brain way, this can describe a soul that in the recent past tried to find the meaning to things through collecting information from different sources. The more these natives searched and learned, the more they get aware about the vastness and of the diversity of opinions that may exist regarding pretty much anything.

Resistance could manifest, in this case, by struggles that could exist in facing the reality as it presents itself (PPP 6th house?), or in just listening and following what their own inner guidance can bring as advice (9th NN?). Since possibilities are that the native may have a tendency to try to rationalize what not always can be rationalized, it could occur to them to feel stuck at times, by for example a need to constantly search for evidences and/or other people experiences rather to simply putting in practice the idea that their "gut feeling" brought.

There may also frustrations that could be experimented by these natives progressively,  each time they feel like all their researches and knowledge (Gemini?) still haven't gave to them the sense of identification that they so deeply crave for. It's more or less as if these people can find empowerment through rationalizing, but at the same time, a certain emptiness that never seem to be filled. The emptiness could be perceived when none of these theories seems to fit to their particular way interpreting reality (Pisces?).

These might be souls that in the recent lives were highly creative and imaginative, having a mind that seemed to have no boundaries. In some cases, Pluto 12th and SN in the 3rd natives could have been writers, storytellers and/or individuals that have been learning the meaning of compassion through knowing and getting more in touch with the people from their culture and close environment.

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PS I.: Once again I haven't read the other users' answers before written mine. Hope that's ok, although short (and not very much vague).

PS II.: I thought about putting those "?" there just to try to be more clear about the reason why I used those terms. In this way everyone that will read my post in this thread will understand that I write that term thinking in a certain archetype, and then be able to correct me if necessary, in the case of seeing that I am assimilating a whole archetype in a way that it's not completely right.

~ Júlia
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« Reply #212 on: Jul 17, 2020, 10:31 AM »

Hi Julia

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Since Gemini is a sign ruled by Mercury, a planet that represents how we process the information in a rational, left-brain way, this can describe a soul that in the recent past tried to find the meaning to things through collecting information from different sources. The more these natives searched and learned, the more they get aware about the vastness and of the diversity of opinions that may exist regarding pretty much anything.

Excellent

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Resistance could manifest, in this case, by struggles that could exist in facing the reality as it presents itself (PPP 6th house?), or in just listening and following what their own inner guidance can bring as advice (9th NN?). Since possibilities are that the native may have a tendency to try to rationalize what not always can be rationalized, it could occur to them to feel stuck at times, by for example a need to constantly search for evidences and/or other people experiences rather to simply putting in practice the idea that their "gut feeling" brought.

Facing reality as it presents itself would actually be 9th house: self eveident realizations to what is. The nature of phenomenal reality as it is is the 9th house: the principals of reality. The discernment and active analysis is the 6th house. Inner guidance/advice too would be 9th house.

It might not be about searching for other people's experiences but definitely about the need to establish intellectual cohesion; the need to make sense out of things. This can mean that if the facts don't connect that the soul will experience cognitive dissonance in the face of what actually is. This dissonance will either be met with surrender/ realization that they have created a web of logic in the bubble of their own minds or through resistance: holding more stronlgy to their mental constructs to try to make sense of life even when reality is saying otherwise. Like grasping at water and trying to tell the water how it's supposed to behave. I see in your next paragraph you speak to this ...

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There may also frustrations that could be experimented by these natives progressively,  each time they feel like all their researches and knowledge (Gemini?) still haven't gave to them the sense of identification that they so deeply crave for. It's more or less as if these people can find empowerment through rationalizing, but at the same time, a certain emptiness that never seem to be filled. The emptiness could be perceived when none of these theories seems to fit to their particular way interpreting reality (Pisces?).

Excellent point. Yes to Gemini/3rd house. Inrepretation of reality would be 9th house. 12th house is the ultimate meaning we give to life/ what we surrender to (it's not a philosophy or course of interpretation). 3rd house is what logically fits together. Here the soul would be attempting to arrive at meaning through the logical faculties. But it can literally all be imagined/ all made up. 12th house is the need within all individuals to be linked with Love, the source of all of us. Since it IS who we are and where we come from and since we DON'T all entirely know this, it creates a gap wheirin pretty much all souls are trying to reconsile with that sense of feeling seperate from something that is actually so essential and One, and thus the need to resestablish this connection through whatever the soul can give meaning to/ surrender to as a source of salvation.

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These might be souls that in the recent lives were highly creative and imaginative, having a mind that seemed to have no boundaries. In some cases, Pluto 12th and SN in the 3rd natives could have been writers, storytellers and/or individuals that have been learning the meaning of compassion through knowing and getting more in touch with the people from their culture and close environment.

Great correlation.

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PS I.: Once again I haven't read the other users' answers before written mine. Hope that's ok, although short (and not very much vague).

PS II.: I thought about putting those "?" there just to try to be more clear about the reason why I used those terms. In this way everyone that will read my post in this thread will understand that I write that term thinking in a certain archetype, and then be able to correct me if necessary, in the case of seeing that I am assimilating a whole archetype in a way that it's not completely right.

Excellent work Julia, I feel you understand the core relationship between Pluto in the 12th and the 3rd house south node.
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« Reply #213 on: Aug 05, 2020, 10:05 AM »

Hi everyone! We will add our next step.

If conceptualizing Pluto in the 12th house has felt difficult, this will give it some context.

Lets place Pluto in the 12th house with the south node in the 3rd house.

Then, consider, "how has the 3rd house identity structure served as a vehicle for the desires of Pluto in the 12th?" What might be some areas of resistance and where might the soul be empowered? Remember that the south node is the soul's familiar orientation to knowing itself as a self, and that orientation means that this is how the soul has been relating to the evolution intent. Please feel free to ask any questions!
 

Hy everyone!
There are my answer:

Individuals with Pluto in the 12th house have an evolutionary need for alignment with a transcendental belief system that allows them to understand creation and to express their individuality as an extension of that creation. So, for this to be provided, they need to dissolve all the barriers that prevent their identification with the source.
With the south node in the 3rd house, these individuals have been collecting facts and information on which they will build the explanatory models of how the world works and, consequently, of themselves.
However, Pluto's impulse demands that this need be satisfied through surrender to the unknown and the creation of the necessary internal confidence that this connection is real, even though the facts and information do not corroborate rationally and intellectually its existence.
In past lives, these individuals have gone through cycles of expansion of their belief system, where the experience and information acquired are interrelated, ultimately increasing knowledge about the world and themselves.
But they also went through cycles of limitation or stagnation where, despite the restlessness and ease of adaptation, characteristic of these individuals, they were not enough to overcome the insecurity felt by the introduction of new experiences or information. Sometimes the gathering of information and experiences was so huge that they ended up having a lot of difficulty in organizing this data in a logical system that made sense to them, once the center or foundation of their perspective was lost.
If they had managed to create their own philosophical and cosmological system internally, with which they identify themselves, the path to understand and accept Pluto's evolutionary intent at 12th will be facilitated since this system will provide the basis for the emotional security necessary for their evolution.

Susana
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