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« Reply #210 on: Jan 04, 2019, 02:55 PM »

Hi Helena,

Trump in certain prior lives has been murdered 'unexpectedly' in different ways, For example, in the life when he was the 1st Italian King, Odoacer, he met up with a Germain King who had defeated him in a battle for a dinner. At that dinner, in the German King's place, his throat was slit by that King 'unexpectedly'. He dies and his last words were 'where is God'.

With his Lucifer, Venus, and Saturn in Cancer in the 11th, ruled by his 4th House Moon in Sagittarius with the Lunar South Node and the S.Node of Uranus, these sudden, cataclysmic, traumatic events occurred in environments that he thought he could trust including family environments. These are ruled by his 2nd House Jupiter/ Neptune conjunction in Libra which is conjunct his S.Node of Mars. This is Melania's natal Uranus.

In other lives he has been poisoned, killed in his sleep with a knife, and another had his genitals mutilated where he ended up bleeding to death.

This sort of stuff is symbolized by his Mars in Leo in the 12th.

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« Reply #211 on: Jan 05, 2019, 06:25 AM »

Hi DDD,

In her case I wonder if a great emptiness within her (Pluto/Virgo and SN/Virgo) is contributing to her overcompensating by filling up that emptiness with excessive materialism, resulting in an addiction to the luxery lifestyle.  Surely living a lie just to feed an addiction must be adding to the guilt she is already experiencing within her soul.

Yes, this is true. But remember too she is in the 3rd state consensus evolutionary state.

 With her Venus in Taurus I am curious as to why her basic survival instinct has not trumped (ahem) her desire for a fancy lifestyle.

It is in fact that very survival instinct that has lead to exactly what she has and is doing by way of actualizing her desire for power and social status, and all the wealth that comes with it.

 Is she not aware of her husband's allegiance to Satan?

No, she is not. She does not have that awareness at all. And remember too that those who have made a contract with Lucifer do all they can to hide it with the assistance  of Lucifer itself.

I also wonder why, if she is so attracted to that kind of lifestyle, she does not make the effort to make it happen on her own through Taurus self-effort.  Taurus laziness perhaps?  Virgo deep feelings of inadequacy?  Maybe both.

Remember her Mercury in Taurus, the ruler of her Lunar S.Node in Virgo, is conjunct Lucifer in Gemini with her Mars, and S.Node of Lilath. The 'influence' of Evil/Lucifer manifesting as the very desires, Mars, that has set in motion the lives that have lead to being Mrs. Trump. An example of the type of 'thought', Mercury, that this influence creates in her consciousness is the thought 'you are bigger than this', or 'you can be bigger than this', or 'you are so much more than this'.  These types of thoughts manifesting relative to her life conditions that she has tried to create on her own that are so much more limited or small as compared to the types of lives that others in social power, status, and wealth have. This life itself reflects this because of her own efforts to make a living as a model selling her own cosmetics which was very limited as compared to becoming Mrs. Trump.

Understanding all this we can now understand too why her natal Lilath is conjunct Trump's 10th House Sun, Lunar North Node, and Uranus. In essence her current Lilath reflecting her existing distortions creates a dynamic wherein in Trump is a 'perfect', Lunar South Node in Virgo, vehicle for her to satisfy and actualize her Lucifer induced desires for the great social power, status, and wealth that she currently, and in previous lives, has now, and has had before.

Her natal Lilath is in opposition to his natal Lilath in Sagittarius conjunct his Moon, Lunar South Node, and the S.Node of Uranus. One of the ways this manifested in their past is when she was pregnant with Baron and of course Trump was appalled at how her body then changed to something 'gross', from his point of view, and demanded she recover how her body looked before she was pregnant after Baron was born. And, of course, he got involved with other women, a Playboy model and a professional adult porn star, at that very time.

His Lilath in Sagittarius in the 4th conjunct his Moon, Lunar South Node, the S.Node of Uranus, and opposed his natal Uranus/Sun correlates to his rebellion against all natural women: the natural women. This is one of the reasons too of why he requires the women in his life to have un-natural breasts. He nees them to look like volley balls so that requires artificial surgery to make that happen. Melania was not allowed to breast feed in own child because of this.

God Bless, Rad
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« Reply #212 on: Jan 06, 2019, 07:26 AM »

Hi Rad, thanks for responding in the way you did to my questions.  Having these answers helps a lot in understanding the symbols.  I could ask further questions but want to try to figure them out on my own.  One thing I had not considered was the relative lack of awareness of self-deception implied in the consensus state in certain soul and life conditions.  Thanks also to Kristin and everyone else for this valuable thread on Lilith.   Namaste, DDD
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« Reply #213 on: Jan 06, 2019, 05:41 PM »

Well - this is pretty interesting: I keep looking at this opposition from Trumps moon/lillith to this sun/nn/uranus in 10th gemini

I think his evolving ego is in opposition to his 'mission' - he is in denial (Aquarius on the 6th, Uranus conjunct that sun/nn) of his mission of inducing trauma...yet, the trauma he creates he revels in, within a very bizarre sado/masochistic manner....

He overcompensates - Jupiter ruling that moon, with these ideas of him being 'man of the people', eating (4th house) and the narcissism: Jupiter ruling the 5th....

He is indeed attracted to & identifies with the negative lillith: the rage, the vindictive behaviors: again, a very bizzare reality of sado/masochistic behavoirs...

Trump cannot and will not see who he really is: that moon opposite the 'mission' (sun/nn/uranus)....however one of his 'gifts' via evil could be that ability: to appear other than what he is....from the get-go people would say: 'oh he doesn't mean that' 'oh, he's just being 'tough'' 'he's just a maverick'  NOPE   

And the ruler of the moon/lillith: in the second with chiron and neptune - ruler venus, with saturn, cancer, 11th...to be honest: so much information there, hard to 'download' Wink
But, just how he 'stuffs his face' with food - taurus as comfort...value, the mother (cancer sign)

Also the trauma - cancer venus, saturn & lucifer in the 11th......squaring those libra planets: a childish soothing himself because of traumas, past life traumas: but soothing himself via the recognition of what he has done: the contract with evil

He wants to remain a child & act like he is simple, straight forward: so you cannot blame him....& that is how so many have taken him: 'he means well' etc

To be honest: looking at this chart: I do feel like it's 'download overload'.....I think I'll try to get thoughts together more coherently: I was going to make a simple thing about that moon - but, as with all charts: you tug one thread & it all unravels...wasn't prepared for that....

Thank you to all who are posting, your thoughts, insights.
Thanks Kristin - for guiding us!
And thank you Rad for knowledge we would otherwise not have
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« Reply #214 on: Jan 08, 2019, 11:46 AM »

Hi Kristin, Rad, All,

Kristin, really great to see Nancy Pelosi chart with NN lilith at the exact same degree than that of Melania, thank you for sharing this. That NN lilith is opposite chiron, and this chiron is square the nodal axis. Do you see this a possible symbol of throwing off many many emotional wounds, crucial part of the skipped step resolution, relative to her own power and establishing her authority as a voice for women on restoring the application of natural law relative to the feminine, lilith also in cancer, scorpio moon? She does have jupiter conjunct the resolution node plus all that aries fire ruled by mars conjunct vesta, venus and uranus in taurus. Again a great counterpoint to the distorted taurus expressed by Melania's soul. A real example of perseverance in standing for what's right, for as long as it takes.

I kept thinking these last days, don't know if anyone has written on this i imagine so, on how chiron wounds could archetypally relate to the masculine polarity in all of us. I could be bias because my natal chiron is in aries. Anyhow i say this proposing that in a sense, the core wounding is in respect to all those parts in us that had to separate from the feminine in order for the species to evolve.  And the difficulty and pain this represented and keeps representing in our evolution, wether we are male or female, and all distortions for the male and female origins within this process.
I first started making this association reflecting on the teachings of the Jung psychologist James Hollis relative "the wounding and healing of men" as he puts it and how these wounds are part of the masculine path, well integrated in indigenous cultures by the elders in rites of passage, and how distortions of the male energy occur when this process was/is denied instead of integrated since the loss of our origins. The process of denial representing the history of patriarchy itself. This occurring originally as consequence of the need for separation and transcendence of the initial merging with the feminine experienced through the mother.
Independently of how well this process goes for women and men, wounding could be significantly more powerful for men because women will need to actualise from their original nature/mother and men need to separate from it, at least in part. Don't know if this makes sense and i'm sure could lead to many roads...
Coincidently, after writing this i ended up checking chiron's appearance chart, 1977, and in that chart the moon at 9 degrees capricorn (NN lilith degree for Melania and Nancy) is square the nodal axis and pluto, lilith in aquarius is in exact square to chiron in taurus and still in opposition to mars in cancer.
It maybe a coincidence but we could make the point, not diverging much from the purposes of this thread, and pose some questions relative to how the masculine polarity, as a healthy and necessary expression, is a very significant part for the restoration of the female original roots, women developing it in themselves and in the social roles they represent, as well how this could open the field for equal necessary balance in men healing their wounds and positive integration of the feminine. No gender over the other and the end of expectations towards distorted gender roles.
Both women and men have lost access to their original natures and in result of considerable wounds so i see this making a bit of sense at least.

Rad, this most likely ends up going in direction to all that you shared on melania and trump's charts. Them being the exact opposite of what healthy integration and restoring mean. Thank you for all that information we could not have otherwise, i imagine you don't have an easy 'job' because just thinking about any possible solution for this gave me a light head and absolutely no mental energy... It was clear to me that things are as they are and there is only so much we can hope, although i'll share some thoughts.
I cannot help to acknowledge how the feminine is tremendously powerful of course, even in distorted expression and how trump's soul evolution can show just that relative to castration and the feeling of powerlessness. Can i ask if he had already made the contract when he died saying 'where is God'? I take no?
Women can be indeed very negatively powerful relative to the psyche of men and i failed to see that in Melania because of the pretense reality in which she lives and with who she shares her existence with, but i see it is exactly what she might have been in the context of the realities her soul has been creating, taking also from her SN mars/Sn uranus connection in his lilith/sn uranus/moon conjunction, that squaring her nodal axis. She might carry a lot of guilty with all the virgo placements and then keep going, with all the taurus. Even her pluto in the last degrees of virgo denote a sub-influence of taurus. Maintaing the status quo in the box at all costs. JWG, in the Pluto II book on the archetype of taurus and relationship essential needs, teaches "The sign of Taurus will be somewhere in the birth chart, and Venus will be in a house and sign, making its own aspects. In combination, these symbols correlate with how an individual can learn this vital lesson of self-sufficiency."
We could underline here the necessary learning. We do not come to life most of the times with our relationship with ourselves in place, so to speak. Actually i take from JWG's words that much of the relationship we have with ourselves is about learning who we really are and what are our unique resources by ourselves first. With SN lilith in gemini, if this learning is not aligned with natural law, Sagittarius, and with the soul's personal truth, it is all about unlearning from this source and that, borrowing, all that it is not. And this could be the case of Melania's soul and the danger for any soul avoiding to learn more about itself from the inside first.
It is vital we Learn, probably with trial and error seems like more unlearning then learning :-) taking all the distortions. To take the opportunity of south node moon in capricorn over the nodes of pluto/saturn, and jupiter in sagittarius, and make it a time to let go any borrowed old structure and let in the ones that honour our roots seems a good idea in any case..

Thank you also to everyone contributing to thread, Nerissa, Stacie, Ari, hi DDD! and Heather hope we can hear from you soon,
Helena

P.S. Just for reference, the chiron chart mentioned is the one used by Melanie Reinhart, first chiron appearance on photographic plate, October 18th 1977.
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« Reply #215 on: Jan 09, 2019, 06:04 AM »

Hi Helena,

Trump made his contract with Lucifer just after his last life. So this is the first life in which he has gained the 'super natural' powers that come from that contract.

Relative to the wounds to men and women that you are pondering about, Chiron, remember that all that started once humans began to construct artificial beliefs versus the Natural Laws that are the very root of the manifest Creation in the first place. This began, again, when humans started to become sedentary relative to it's long history of being nomadic in nature. That began to happen when humans learned to cultivate seeds and learned how to breed animals for their own purposes. This was around 7,200 B.C.E. So all the accumulating wounds since that time originate from that time.

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« Reply #216 on: Jan 09, 2019, 11:13 AM »

Hi Helena,

That NN lilith is opposite chiron, and this chiron is square the nodal axis. Do you see this a possible symbol of throwing off many many emotional wounds, crucial part of the skipped step resolution, relative to her own power and establishing her authority as a voice for women on restoring the application of natural law relative to the feminine, lilith also in cancer, Scorpio moon?

Yes, I see this Chiron in Cancer squaring the Nodes, as her being silenced by men, there are many wounds around not being heard or taken seriously. Her Pluto in Leo is also forming a disseminating square to Saturn in Taurus, nearly to the minute.  Her Mercury Rx in Pisces opposing her Neptune in Virgo, and the asteroid Kassandra is Rx in Scorpio and and is conjunct her Moon. Metaphorically it's like she was locked up in a room and they threw away the key. So yes, she has come to recover her voice and her power as a woman in the world, not just for her but for those who do not have a voice or a platform to speak.

Pelosi has also been through some gender switch so she could learn for herself how to operate like a man, which is why this woman does so well in a man's world. She is un-phased. Did you see her in the Oval Office how she took on Trump?

She also has Pallas Athene in Cancer conjunct her Original Lilith, these two symbols sextile her Uranus, Venus and Mars in Taurus, which explains her ability to out-wit her male opponent.

how the masculine polarity, as a healthy and necessary expression, is a very significant part for the restoration of the female original roots, women developing it in themselves and in the social roles they represent, as well how this could open the field for equal necessary balance in men healing their wounds and positive integration of the feminine. No gender over the other and the end of expectations towards distorted gender roles.

I agree, so much of the wounding on our planet is a result of imbalance of gender ie. male dominance and the suppression of the natural power of the feminine. Also when the male energy is distorted in a woman and where that can lead.

Women like Pelosi, as well as the other 49 women in the US who just earned political posts are giving other women the courage to step into more masculine revered roles in society. This will also remind men of the vital necessity for gender healing. By integrating both genders equally, we maximize the whole.

Peace,
Kristin

P.S. Fascinating about the first appearance of Chiron's chart ~ says it all!
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« Reply #217 on: Jan 10, 2019, 11:31 AM »

Hey All,

So we would like to move forward in developing this thread and our understanding of the Lilith archetype.

For this next step, we would like you to discuss the Cancer Archetype as we look at the South Node of Lilith in Cancer in this context. We will discuss distortions and Resolutions in the posts that follow. For now, simply discuss the Cancer Archetype itself in relation to a South Node of Lilith: the NATURAL ARCHETYPE OF CANCER.

Remember that whatever the sign that the South Node of Lilith is in is how that Soul was trying to actualize the inherent archetypes of Lilith before. The point is that any given soul, in whatever lifetime, has a past and present life and has chosen an archetype to do that through relative to their ongoing ea journey.

I will post an example in the next few days but wanted to give you a head's up so you could be thinking about it.

Goddess Bless,
Kristin
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« Reply #218 on: Jan 11, 2019, 04:23 AM »

Rad, Kristin

Thank you for your answers. Rad, after reading i remembered you already mentioned this right when trump was elected i think, so my apologies for asking again. In his case we can very well see the implications of competition frame of mind versus cooperation and were it leads to in an extreme.
I understand what you mean. Chiron wounds tend to be hard to define in general, there are many viewpoints, but makes sense to me from this perspective and the times your refer. Now chiron will go into aries and all the capricorn being transited, i tend to see them as a very important layer, referring to the masculine polarity/integration, from all we've been discussing relative to lilith and the feminine and moon's NN in cancer. The inherent strength of courageous vulnerability that many are already bringing forth, like the many women's movements showing their bodies as they naturally are without shame for not fitting standards, actually quite the opposite, with proudness and sensuality for not fitting them.

Kristin, sorry if i am a bit late here as we are moving into the next step in the thread, but i just wish also to thank you too for your views on Nancy Pelosi's chart, it's a great example and i agree with you that she is one of the few people we have seen publicly and live in direct opposition to trump standing for her truth! What always impresses me the most when i see it is the firm standing people need to have to stand near evil itself. And in her case definitely lilith/pallas/pluto ruled by sun aries, moon scorpio. In EA we have the bigger picture, hard for this picture to go mainstream :-), but i think everyone feels a natural repulsion. One thing i think would be really cool is for someone to do a documentary on what felt like, body sensations, on meeting the current president of the United States. All these leaders that for better or good are not evil, what did they felt like? Would be great to watch.
Also Kristin, this might be a bit unrelated, but you are the only astrologer i have heard in other occasions mentioning the kite pattern that i don't know much about. Pelosi has this pattern very strongly emphasised, could you speak a bit about it?

Thank you,
Helena
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« Reply #219 on: Jan 11, 2019, 09:33 AM »

Hi Helena,

A Kite in flight rises above the Earth, it rises above where it has been and it has the ability to climb in altitude with the help of the wind due of its shape.

If a chart has this pattern, notice the planets or asteroids that sit at each point of the kite. In Pelosi's case, she has Uranus, Venus, Vesta and Mars in Taurus all at the tip of her kite. This speaks to her focus for democracy and her fight for what is fair for the people. Her Scorpio Moon is at the tail representing a woman who has come to get her power back and to bring the power of who she was in the past forward.

She has Pallas Athene and Lilith at one point with the North Node of Pluto and North Node of Saturn in Cancer and on the other point, she has Mercury retrograde in Pisces, reflecting themes of recovering her voice as a woman and being a voice for the masses in America.

The Kite reflects an energy of support, seen in the Grand Trine and two sextiles, to actualize these intentions, which she has manifested through her determination and her efforts.

Of course we need to start with the Pluto paradigm and notice that the ruler of her South Node, Mars, is balsalmic to the ruler of her North Node, Venus and they sit at the tip of her kite. She has reached impressive heights with her work already. She has clearly, even in this life, risen above where she has been.

Peace,
Kristin
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« Reply #220 on: Jan 11, 2019, 11:49 AM »

Hi All,

Just came across this image from an article about how Fear is abused in politics. I was taken by it in terms of what we have been working on here in this Lilith thread. It reminds me of Pelosi's chart with respect to these themes of being silenced in her past lives which I shared in a prior post.

In essence though, this is image reflects an archetype for what has occurred for women everywhere for thousands of years.  Capricorn Man having Control over the Cancer Woman, ultimately leading to her not having a voice.

Peace,
Kristin


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« Reply #221 on: Jan 12, 2019, 08:42 AM »

Hi Kristin, I agree that image says it all.  It immediately reminded me of that part of Christie Blasey Ford's testimony in front of that lineup of white republican men when she described Brett Kavanaugh putting his hand over her mouth to stop her from screaming for help while he was sexually assaulting her.  That man now sits on the Supreme Court. DDD
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« Reply #222 on: Jan 12, 2019, 11:17 AM »

Hi All,

Here are a few excellent moves that perfectly reflect this trinity we are working on with Lilith: Original, Distorted, and the Resolution, within context of these times.

DISOBEDIENCE

A woman returns to her Orthodox Jewish community that shunned her for her attraction to a female childhood friend. Once back, their passions reignite as they explore the boundaries of faith and sexuality.

https://www.amazon.com/Disobedience-Rachel-Weisz/dp/B07CLGLPJ3/ref=sr_1_1?s=instant-video&ie=UTF8&qid=1547310488&sr=1-1&keywords=the+movie+disobedience+prime+video
 
You can get it from Netflix too

SAMI'S BLOOD
 
Sami blood.. 1930s Sweden. 14-year-old Sami girl Elle Marja and her sister are torn from their indigenous reindeer-herding family and placed in a government-run boarding school. There Elle dreams of education, of a future, only to find herself classed as racially inferior. When she attempts to escape one world of prejudice and another of old traditions, she learns the true cost of freedom.

Sami Blood .. prime video .. amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Blood-English-Subtitled-Cecilia-Sparrok/dp/B079C1396D/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1547310295&sr=8-6&keywords=the+movie+sami+blood+prime+video
 
You can get it too from Netflix.
  

~Kristin
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« Reply #223 on: Jan 12, 2019, 03:13 PM »

Greetings All,

We are now at our next step and will be discussing the Archetype of Cancer as we begin to explore the South Node of Lilith in Cancer. Please read through what I have shared and ask any questions if you wish. Please then fill in whatever you feel I have missed and develop this archetype through your own feeling lens.

We will discuss the distorted and the Resolution for South Node of Lilith in Cancer in a separate post.

Goddess Bless,
Kristin


The Natural Archetype of CANCER: Self-Knowledge through the Emotional Body

The Dalai Lama says he considers himself a feminist and would like to see more women leaders because he thinks women are often innately more sensitive and peaceful. “I insist that women should carry a more active role,” he said. “If eventually most of the leaders of different nations are female, maybe we’ll be safer.”
 
The South Node of Lilith in Cancer Soul has been learning how to first cultivate that feeling of safety within herself. She has known to be wet behind the ears, especially as it relates to her emotional development. She is a woman who was ready to take a dive into her emotional body and inwardly rise up within herself through her own efforts. She has a high degree of emotional vulnerability and she has been learning to find a way to feel safe enough and inwardly strong enough in the world on her own as a woman. It’s not enough to talk about it now, she wants to feel it in full, and what it means to be a woman in every way.
 
She is learning to minimize emotional dependencies so she can establish more security within herself. This requires her to feel all the way through whatever emotion arises on her own so she can find strength in this space. Yet much of life will be testing her growth at every turn for the tides will push her into vulnerable corners that she herself will be responsible to crawl out from within. The South Node of Cancer/ 4th house is a cardinal archetype and thus represents a chapter is closing, and a new evolutionary chapter is birthing itself.
 
Because of the new, these Souls will be highly emotionally vulnerable and inwardly wobbly in the world until a total state of emotional self security is realized. In essence, she has been learning how to walk emotionally, similar to a baby taking its first steps, so her growth will become a two steps forward, one step back process. Because Cancer/Capricorn connects to gender, it may also be that in prior lives this woman was a man and is learning now to develop the other side of gender in order to balance both sides in full.
 
If not, then the evolutionary intent is to access the natural inner male and integrate it within her ongoing actualization of her own femininity. The evolutionary intent is to become equally male and female and to cultivate both sides of the whole. Another reason for the insecurity may be due to not feeling at home in this new gender, hormones included, especially given how patriarchal cultures have defined masculinity and femininity.
 
She knows that the only way to evolve is to get naked and enter the river of emotion, which equals letting go of the mind and allowing the water to lead her more deeply into her tender center. Cancer initiates the water trinity that opens emotional channels into the Soul, and then further into her connection to Spirit. She wants to feel a direct connection to the Mother, and the oneness of her origins, which reflects the law of duality and her need to return to the safety of the womb. The cardinal archetype naturally wants to initiate and to explore but she will experience a frequent swing between the extremes of the desire to separate and the desire to return: to go home. Her reaction to the freedom of what was set in motion, and a need to immediately return is a result of her need to feel safe and secure.
 
South Node of Lilith in Cancer wants to feed and feel that union with the Whole. She is learning the fastest way to experience wholeness, and her own holiness, is through the act of surrender; surrendering to the emotional current, the full YIN experience that will lead her back home to herself, and back to the sea. She is learning to gain the inner strength to enter spaces out of desire ( Aries and Scorpio) versus emotional need and dependence ( the insecure child manifesting through Cancer ). She desires to  harness her own feeling of freedom to express her greatest vulnerabilities knowing this is where ultimate strength is found.

She is PURE EMOTION. Similar to being in the center of a wave that swells and crashes on the surface of the sand, she feels everything and her moods can ebb and flow with the cross currents that come with being one with the tides. She feels her way through life first and it is her emotional body that influences her thoughts and her every move. Her emotional state shifts with the phases of the Moon, and with each shift she is learning more about her emotional weak links and reminded of where the inner work needs to be done. Anytime she expresses an energy of dependency of any kind, she will find herself inevitably thrown back upon herself.

Due to her heightened sensitivity, she has a fear of being vulnerable. She is introverted in nature and will retreat into her shell for safety when the outside world becomes too much. The South Node of Lilith in Cancer’s emotional reactions linked with her insecurity can have her alternating between seeking out people and environments who she expects to fulfill displaced emotional needs, or she seeks out others who she can dominate and control in order to feel secure: to make others dependent upon her.
 
In her healthiest expression, she knows how to nurture every space she enters, and is tender beyond measure. She has the capacity to create a space of safety for the ones she loves. She embodies the feeling of home. In fact HOME IS EVERYTHING to her; the hearth, the stove, the smells, the sounds. It is the womb that she creates where she finds safety, solace and comfort. Her home is her heaven which includes the Souls of family who share that space with her.
 
In essence, a woman with a South Node of Lilith in Cancer has desired to express the intrinsic nature of FEMININITY, inwardly actualizing the pure emotion of the feminine and the embodiment of the feminine. This will include a desire to bear children and to be a mother herself, and to know that experience in full. The feeling of life within her womb will double the experience of being a woman and her role in contributing  to new life itself. One example of a natural expression of how this archetype is expressed in the context of society in terms of work could be a Soul who chooses to be a mid-wife.
 
The polarity is the 10th house/Capricorn, which reflects a Soul who is learning self determination and to walk on her own two feet. She is learning to take responsibility for her own actions which leads to emotional maturity. Her sense of identity will come through actualizing her right work in the world which includes establishing her personal authority and individuality in the context of society. The child becomes an adult. Instead of looking for others to make it happen for her, she digs in and makes it happen on her own and for herself.

SEXUALITY
 
A feeling of safety occurs directly through touch, not talk. You can know exactly how she is feeling through the essence of her own touch. Her touch on your skin can be warm, deeply comforting and re-assuring.
 
It is essential for a woman with a South Node of Lilith in Cancer to feel emotionally secure when opening herself up in intimacy. Trust is paramount and it is the pure exchange of emotion that will open the door to her shell and allow her to slip into those vulnerable spaces with another. An emotional connection that is rooted in trust must precede the sexual act.
 
As opposed to the cardinal archetype of Aries, she cannot just jump right in, she needs warming up, which occurs slowly and through emotional harmonizing with her partner. An initial feeling of safety can also occur through soft holding and caressing without sexual intent as well as soothing whispers. Once she softens and trusts, stronger holding and kissing follows, which is her foreplay where her own lips or those of another are allowed time to express and explore the body. She will have a strong oral orientation during foreplay and will desire to be touched by her partner through oral stimulation of her breasts and yoni. She will have a strong orientation to using her lips and her mouth as well on the male organ which connects back to a child’s need to bond with a mother at birth through breast feeding and the security it creates.
 
It may be too that her South Node of Lilith in Cancer represents her desire to experience being with a woman sexually so she can feel in full what it means to BE a woman and to pleasure a woman.
 
Once the feeling gates are open and she is emotionally resonating with their partner, she can experience a deeply permeating erotic union that combines the power of emotion with the sexual senses.
 
Following a sexual act, she will need to be held closely and in a full body way similar to a baby being held known as "spooning", so all of the emotional and physical sensations from the sexual exchange can be cradled in a bubble that allows her to feel safe and secure, and not judged, as a result of allowing herself to become so vulnerable.
 
Ultimately, she is learning to lose her fear of being vulnerable, which is what submersing herself into the water of emotion is all about. She is learning that WATER is Life's Greatest Sustainer, and the deeper she travels the more empowered she will be. She is learning the more OPEN she becomes, the more centered and balanced she will feel.
 
It is this feeling of balance that generates a feeling of inner security, and an inner feeling of comfort of who she is. This will then allow her to generate this same feeling of security and safety not only within her own family but in the lives of her tribe, her community or her country.
 
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There is not much evidence left on the planet where natural tribes remain in place, tribes who equally honor women, but I was amazed to discover in recent years an ancient natural tribe where women were praised, if not exalted, for being women in the clan. The Zo'e tribe in the Amazon, a natural tribe of people living deep in the rain forests of Brazil, first met outsiders in 1982 after having no interaction with the outside world, when evangelical missionaries made contact. Ironically, or not, they were decimated by disease soon after, their numbers are now growing again. What I find so honoring of the role of women, is that their men and their boys dress up as a woman the day a baby is being born to present a sincere tribute to femininity. The boys walk around the tribe dressed in woman's garb for a few weeks following the birth of the baby. Even if the little new born is a boy, he will also be crowned as a queen.


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« Reply #224 on: Jan 12, 2019, 07:51 PM »

Kristin: what you posted about this tribe brings to mind something I've been trying to articulate....in between feeling I might be offending some, or simply misunderstand, plus difficulty in expressing myself I've not said anything.

Back when the thread first began I was wondering what exactly was 'natural' - that we are so far from it: do we even know anymore....

Souls are male/female love/evil etc etc: microcosm of the whole.....
but each soul has a specific reason or desire to either be male or female in a human body - it is NOT the same experience or will fulfill the same purposes, the sexes are not necessarily interchangeable

Naturally speaking it would seem that the female of the human NATURALLY embodies both male/female attributes...it is natural for a woman to express whatever is culturally determined to be either male or female according to her desires: even in this culture..finally now: a woman can and does do both what is considered 'female' and what was once the dominion of only the 'male': this is natural

Whereas the male of the human species is NOT within his physical form 'both' like a female is - he is 'singular': one of the most important emotional/psychological spiritual needs for a male is to make a RELATIONSHIP to the female - not necessarily literally, but within himself. But his role is always MALE - in relationship to the needs of the female: ie, the whole

So, it's become backwards nowadays really: that a female can only be what society deems 'feminine' and must relate to a male god...
IN A NATURAL CULTURE
it is the male who realizes he must make a relationship within & without to the female who is the WHOLE

It does seem at least, that women, by right of their actual human bodies, NATURALLY have the capacities & identities of the entire WHOLE

Not sure I am articulating this well...& hope I'm not offending anyone

Also, while I'm here I wish to say, that RE: what Rad said about Trump's last life, or the inbetween being when he made a contract with evil is what I think I was picking up on in a previous post: that moon opposite sun/nn/uranus.....his ego is resisting the 'mission' evil has given him according to his own choices - within that symbol though you can see where he is 'evolving' toward nonetheless....
 Editing to add: 'self-image' was the word with Trump & his moon/4th that I could not recall: his self-image is in opposition to the 'mission' evil has gave him....
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