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« on: Nov 21, 2010, 03:56 PM »

Hi everyone,

Linda asked me to host the Sagittarius thread, Steve will moderate it. Since I started writing I got a lot of insights in a true Jupiterian way. Interestingly, transiting Jupiter is in my 9th house, exactly trine Mercury.

I touched on some core dynamics as taught in EA and added the insight that came to me in the process. I hope there is something here that is of use to you, and that you add something of yours.

In the words of a great example of the Sagittarian Archetype

"Adapt what is useful, reject what is useless, and add what is specifically your own."
— Bruce lee

Bruce lee was a Martial artist, Philosopher and Actor. He had a Sagittarius Sun, this next sentence really sums it up!

"Ever since I was a child I have had this instinctive urge for expansion and growth. To me, the function and duty of a quality human being is the sincere and honest development of one's potential."
— Bruce lee


Sagittarius Archetype

Ruler: Jupiter

House: Ninth

Keywords: Expansion, Travel, Exploration, Truth, Voyager, Assimilation, Reaching out, Philosophy, Hunter, Wisdom, Teacher/Student, Movement, Adaptability, Optimism, Humor, Exaggeration, Concentration, Visionary, Beliefs, Dogma, Freedom, Intuition, Double life, Holistic, Faith, Excitement, Blind Faith, Opportunity, Understanding, Insight, Sportsmanship, Growth, Discovery, Nature.

Sagittarius is yang, fire, mutable energy moving outward. After the deep Soul searching in Scorpio, where we confronted our darkest and deepest unconscious drives, we emerge in the light of Sagittarius. Sag being a Yang sign, its energy moves outward and, just like its opposite sign Gemini, is in a state of perpetual expansion. Yang, mutable, fire energy, coming after the deeply emotional, fixed and sometimes heavy intensity of Scorpio, can be quite refreshing, light and joyful. Sag now has the larger view of what the Scorpio process was all about and can look back and laugh at itself.

Sagittarius is represented by an arrow, in my interpretation the arrow symbolizes concentration, the quest for truth and knowledge not available in the immediacy of ones environment, and knowledge that requires synthesis, deep pondering or deep studies, such as knowledge about the Universe and how it works. Scorpio deals with mysteries of the Soul, while Sagittarius is the emergence from this deep process, with awareness of its connection to higher principles and metaphysical laws.

Sagittarius is where we just "know" intuitively, without even knowing on a logical level. Opposite to Gemini, Sag is the archetype in consciousness that correlates with "the big picture". Collecting pieces of information and categorizing them correlates with Mercury, Gemini and Virgo, while the understanding of the big picture occurs thru Sagittarius, as intuition and holistic understanding.
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Sagittarius is where we say to ourselves that there must be more, where the need for movement and discovery is highly present as a driving force towards a continual expansion of consciousness. Since this is the archetype connected with far out searches for truth and knowledge, it is also connected to higher education and travel. Thru travel Sagittarius satisfies its inherent desire for perpetual growth, expansion and movement. Being a mutable sign, one of its assets is the ability to adapt, either on the physical plane by adapting to new places and circumstances or on the mental level, by the ability to adapt to new concepts and ideas as they are discovered.
Sag correlates with the assimilation and understanding of knowledge, either gathered, learned, or simply understood thru direct experience.

The inherent difficulty in Sag is the over identification with one´s own subjective beliefs while exaggerating their importance, and the temptation to project these views/beliefs on other people as absolute truths. Sag can go as far as to identify with dogmatic beliefs and wish to convert others to their personal views, sometimes even without awareness of the views of others. This is where it meets its polarity, Gemini. Thru Gemini, Sagittarius can learn the relativity of truth as it shares its knowledge and wisdom with others and allows others to share theirs. Sagittarius needs to learn that many times there is no, one absolute answer or size that fits everyone, therefore thru conversations and the exchange of ideas, concepts, philosophies etc, Sag embraces its Gemini polarity and moves further along in its search for wisdom and truth.

Sagittarius correlates with what is naturally observable in nature and, on a larger scale what is natural in the universe, therefore is connected with nature and natural law. Sag wants to understand everything it sets its mind on and, in it´s quest for truth, shoots its arrow far into the unknown, hunting for the understanding of how cycles of nature work and, how mankind is inherently connected with the universe.
In this way Sag also correlates to freedom, as to be free (within one´s own limitations) is the natural state of any living being. Sag requires fundamental freedom in order to satisfy its love of exploration.

It correlates with that which naturally and in (perceived) truth is, or exists.
 
Sagittarius is connected to honesty, as it perceives phenomena as it is, without rational or logical analysis. Generally Sag is honest since it continually searches for truth, but can also forget that truth itself is not grasped in its totality most of the time. Truth can reveal itself in layers, therefore Sag could do well to remember this, as it can be quite dishonest at times, although mostly unintentionally, due to an understanding of only part of the truth and, the impulse to spread it out to others, with the intent of sharing its wider perspective.

In a distorted, patriarchal society, such as the one most of us live in today, we can observe the separation of mankind due to beliefs of all types, including religious beliefs, due to a collective over identification with personal views (Sag/Piscies) an exaggeration of their importance, and all the delusions associated (Piscies), which many times are passed on by others (Gemini) and, assimilated or accepted as fact (Sag/Gem), without being truly experienced and scrutinized (Virgo).  Age of Piscies, Mutable Cross…  Maybe an antidote for the delusion of this age would be for all of us individually, to take responsibility for our personal beliefs, which make up our collective beliefs when combined. Our beliefs condition our actions and our interaction with the surrounding environment in a very deep and powerful way. If we look around, it´s easy to see how distorted beliefs can create a distorted world, specially when these beliefs are on a massive collective level.

Thru Sagittarius and the mutable cross, we can learn to see beliefs simply for what they are…. beliefs, but not the total truth. Sag inspires us to enlarge our scope of vision in order to achieve greater levels of awareness and understanding on an ongoing basis.

How can we accomplish that and get closer to the truth if we think know it all? What would the archer do if he/she had no more arrows to shoot, or no direction to shoot in? In this sense, we can see how vital the Sagittarius archetype is in consciousness and, how important its adaptable, expansive nature is to keep it going in a healthy way.



Any insights/questions on Sagittarius as an archetype, what it correlates to, past life correlations, how it manifests in a Distorted/Natural expression, what are the potential traumas associated etc, are all appreciated and encouraged!

No matter how simple or complex your insights are, they are a valuable part of the whole. There is so much to explore and if you let your intuition flow, you will experience that Sag inspiration!








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« Reply #1 on: Nov 22, 2010, 02:30 AM »

Hi Skywalker,

Thanks for your great introduction - and also for hosting this thread.  Here are a few insights into Sagittarius:

The Sagittarius archetype references the Matriarchy when people lived in tribes, cultures and societies that were in harmony with Natural Laws.  All life-forms within Nature were understood to be co-equal and interdependent, and considered to be God.  Nature itself, which included plants and animals, was the teacher.

The matriarchal way of life correlates to the archetype of Sagittarius in that the Soul’s consciousness is aware of being connected, beyond the Earth, to a much larger universe.

Sagittarius describes an unrestricted search for meaning and purpose which determines the Soul’s philosophy of life.  The Soul’s personal truths, connected to the greater Universe, form the core value and meaning for the life.  

Relationships are chosen where there is intellectual and philosophical stimulation, and a mutual commitment to personal growth.  

Sagittarius is firmly right-brain in orientation, intuitive and optimistic.  The intuitive, right brain orientation does not always sit well with others, and this could be one reason that Sagittarius will feel a sense of alienation from its family, society or country.

Personal growth comes through intellectual and philosophical expansion, the search for truth and meaning in conjunction with the Ultimate Truth, and the exploration of the diversity of life.
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« Reply #2 on: Nov 23, 2010, 08:45 PM »

Skywalker, thanks for this great beginning.  Linda, thanks for your continued dedication to the message board and these threads.  And sending out a larger thanks to all of us here - it is a blessing to have this.  Here’s a little piece I was inspired to write and add to this thread.
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What’s just over that ridge?

   Existing in/close to/with nature and natural cycles, it is a natural experience to survey.  Taking in the bigger picture is Sagittarius.  In the days of old, one’s community kept a larger sense of what ‘time’ it is by the natural changes in the annual cycles and seasons.  There is a natural intuition, dormant in most of humanity today, in which people sense where to go/travel/wander to discover something pertinent to life itself. 

   Taking in the broader scope of the land, surveying and naturally traveling in this way, naturally led to the discovery(gemini polarity) of other things that naturally exist that can be then put to functional use(sag into cap).  An example of this is, long ago, a longer journey would have often led to the discovery(sag/gemini) of...let’s say a concentration of a certain stone that was helpful as a tool.  Or, a groves of trees which increased the annual harvest.  In this example, surveying of the land thru traveling the area around us, expansion beyond the mundane routine routes traveled, lead to the increase of opportunities and potentialities.  Based on the travel/journey at hand, there is also a matter of how much risk is involved.  How much of the motive is based on speculation and hope and faith(sag) vs. actual information(gemini).  We could take this story a step further:  Let’s say each year, in the fall, a third of the village travels to collect nuts.  Half way thru the journey a situation arises where one person has a strong inclination to head two days travel further - they say they have a sense that the harvest will be great beyond the next ridge.  They believe and work to convince their cohorts that it is worth the risk.  On the one hand, they may double their harvest for the year.  Yet, on the flip side, if there are no groves of this tree over yonder, they also loose the time and days of traveling that they would have had staying where they are and harvesting.  If the party splits(gemini polarity) there is a whole other situation that has to be dealt with.  In this example there is reliance on the group for survival: what do you do?  What if the one who keeps pushing for journeying further says they had a dream with this vision of the trees over beyond that ridge.  You get the idea.  The story is a metaphor of the Sag archetype.

    For the true sag at heart, when does ‘what’s over the next ridge?’ stop?  Is there not always another ridge, plain, valley, river to cross?  In this sense, we see the natural crisis between sag and it’s natural inconjuncts to taurus and cancer - at which point the journey further leads to a crisis relative to staying rooted/surviving off of traditional ways/known lifestyle and the security of home being left behind.  ‘The grass is greener’ mentality is reflective of this need to continue to expand.  The crisis is amplified by a lack of allowing information to shape the course of the journey.  The question becomes then “Where is this desire truly coming from?”  I had a friend recently go to climb a mountain.  There were very clear “warnings” - information he received which identified the level of risk/gamble he was taking this particular day.  He still went off to climb.  In this case it was his life which he lost. 

    When I think of the fixity and unbending determination linked into Sag gambles, it seems to point to Sag/9th in combination with other fixed sign/house dynamics at play within the personality.  However, on the flip side, I do see how a pluto 9th/Sag or sn Sag/9th etc. can also manifest as the limits of ones vision of how life exists.  That is to say, when we know that one’s perspective and truth is what constitutes great security on a deep level.  In this case, holding onto the vision and knowledge is a defensive, fear based mode - the crisis of seeing the flaws in the inherent limitations of one’s own version of truth can really hit a core insecurity.  The result is the defensive holding onto one’s known perspective, faith, beliefs, etc.  This crisis is tied, again, to the squares to pisces and virgo.  The crisis and resulting humbling effect of seeing life from a perspective that is true for others - virgo square and gemini opposition.  The crisis of the disillusionment of one’s own version of truth - pisces square.  To have the foundation of how one sees the world be in question does create a crisis in what to believe.  How does one reorient their whole perspective?  Naturally, this could take much more than a lifetime. 

    What leads into the crisis?  From an internal starting point, this starts when there is a natural ‘lacking’ of the current ways of life.  Into the psyche enters the notion: Perhaps there is something more to all this.  On the other hand, when there is strong resistance within the soul, there is the evolutionary necessity which would start with external confrontation of conversations/arguments where others voice their beliefs, truths, and perspective.

    I began with some examples of surveying the land relative to ancient natural ways of living in harmony with nature.  More recently(relatively), for those who risked their lives for the promise of a better life by sailing across a huge ocean, the optimism/hope alone was not what carried them - for the life they left behind was inadequate for their overall well being - often due to drastic clashes of perspective - religion/beliefs/different ways of living.  With a sn of Uranus in Sag and often sn Mars Sag, is it no wonder folks have been setting sail on unknown voyages and journeys for centuries?  The natural trine to Aries and Leo, we see how easy it is for the journey to be connected with one’s sense of destiny and purpose in life. 

   For Sag, the solution need not be so grand.  During the Gold Rush, was the 49ers travel for the hope of gold to change their lives based in rooted thinking?  Of course, it represents a gambling all one had for the hope of striking it rich.  Here, again,  is the square to Pisces/Virgo, where the apparent lack and imperfection of their current conditions coupled with the illusion of gold and wealth.  Again, the gemini lesson:  How much research and questions and thinking went into this venture?  How many of these people, after the gold rush, looked back and thought to their self, “Gee, I was totally delusional.”  Back to solutions that need not be so grand: perhaps minor changes and adjustments in planning based on new information would have totally altered the course of events in their lives.
    Relative to the Pisces square, we have the crisis that things are not ‘as they appear’.  When, in a moment, one’s perspective leaps to a conclusion, we see sag jumping ahead with out the gemini polarity of inquiry/investigation.  Sag will throw out the ‘5 Ws and the H’ with the baby and the bath-water.(at times)  Sag, in response to an inner inadequacy or lack, square to Virgo, may go galloping out the gates like a horse with blinders on( Pisces square of illusion and hope) has this tendency to, in true fire sign fashion, giddy- up into ‘who knows what’.  Blind Faith.

   When there is a survival dynamic, Sag will take greater risks and gambles.  As stated, the Gemini polarity is giving new perspective.  As expansive as Sag can be, when we are looking at survival of life, when one believes things are a certain way, then ‘so be it, this is what i must do’  - and a conclusion is reached.  This type of conclusion would need to stay mutable for evolutionary/growth reasons(gemini) - openness to discovering new perspective, learning a new piece of the picture that could have great impact on altering the course ahead.  The course of travel can always be altered.  Resistance to staying course, coming from an insecurity, conscious or unconscious, sets up the risk of sailing the ship into an iceberg. 
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 24, 2010, 05:37 AM »

Linda and Bradley,

Thanks for your contributions!

Sorry to hear about the loss of your friend Bradley.

Linda your post reminds us of Sag´s inherent simplicity and Bradley of the inconjuncts to Taurus and Cancer.

It´s really interesting to see how the natural Zodiac plays out via the aspects.

The inconjunct to Taurus can also be linked to the cost of education or travel and the need to open up to diversity and novelty. Something Taurus as an archetype would need adjusting to.

And the inconjunct to Cancer can be seen so easily... many leave their homes to pursue higher education in other countries or far away lands and this can create crisis/inadequacy in adjusting to new places/cultures and habits, leaving our loved ones/family behind etc. Thankfully Sag is mutable!

The inconjuncts on a deeper level point to how new knowledge/philosophies/quests/travel can create insecurity/crisis and might challenge our survival needs or need for self consistency. Using the sailors as an example, they went thru extreme hardship and developed health problems due to mal-nutrition while at sea. So a good lesson for Sag would be to be well prepared, to study its route and never forget its roots!

This is a good topic (natural inconjuncts)to expand upon, something else I find interesting and could be helpful would be to discern how Sag as an archetype would express itself thru the various evolutionary states.

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« Reply #4 on: Nov 25, 2010, 01:43 PM »

Sagittarius archetype:

Sagittarius desires to understand the big picture, cosmic order.  He is driven to expand his view to accommodate the connection made in scorpio to something bigger than himself.  He wants to see and understand all that was felt in scorpio and how all that "greater than" is structured. He finds that only by being free in the vast wilderness of things as they naturally are, does the truth emerge in the form of direct experience. Only then does he feel at home.  Nature is his playground, whereby everything he knows from scorpio is given a context and an order;  he sees a bear eating a moose alive and he isn't repulsed or mystified by this, he knows that the laws of nature holds us all in a truly loving way, and that the cycles of life and death are a part of cosmic balance on earth.  He craves reality that is based on what he knows is true.  He can have a sense of humor that is deeply funny, because it is based profoundly on what is, just naturally, across the board funny (what my husband, who is aborginal, calls Indian humor).  (I just saw a clip of George Bush doing an African dance, as I laughed until I cried , that struck me a Sag humor) 
When the specifics of how the world may actually be, as opposed to how he views it from a distance, shows up,  he can blythely dismiss what appears to him as hinderance to his search. He resists stopping to attend to the details that his big picture views are constructed from, and likes to make sweeping generalizations based on his outlook.   He can find himself lost in the fire of his own intuitive sight without a relationship to what is actually, in real time, occurring.  Once he is able to sythnesize and integrate new information into his cosmology, though, he is able to truly grasp how, even what he has resisted, fits into the natural order of creation.

 
Well that's all I have for now.

A soulful thank you to you all for your posts on this thread.
I deeply desire to understand archetypes, and this group is powerful and kind support!

Heather.


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« Reply #5 on: Nov 30, 2010, 03:14 PM »

Hi Skywalker, Heather, Bradley and everyone,

Here's a little adventure we can go on!  I've been looking at the Planetary Nodes for today (see attached chart) - and noticed that the Planetary South Nodes for Mercury, Venus and Uranus - and the NN of Mercury - are all in Sag.  According to what I've learned so far, they will remain in Sag for a long time.  Notice how BOTH the SN and NN of Mercury are in Sag.  

This post may seem to be rather off-the-beaten-track somewhat - but how fitting for the Sag archetype to go wandering off on some adventurous tangent in the never-ending search for more knowledge in conjunction with the Ultimate Truth - in the hope of bringing more value and meaning to life!   Cheesy



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« Reply #6 on: Dec 02, 2010, 05:37 AM »

Linda,

Interesting to note the nodes of Mercury are both in Sag. So it seems evolutionarily speaking, that collectively we all need to get in touch with our inner truths. To look at things as they are NATURALLY and to start thinking in terms of natural law. Possibly also a shift from left brain logic to right brain intuition.

Maybe I´m projecting my own interpretation of reality here but it does make sense that we need to start looking beyond what we think we know collectively and, start thinking of aligning ourselves with a more natural, harmonious way of interacting with our environment.
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 02, 2010, 04:09 PM »

Hi Linda,
THanks for this. I noticed the nn of uranus in gemini in opposition in the fifth.  There is momentum towards specific means for actualizing what has perhaps been limited to philosophies/ideas of liberation and natural truths. Remembered, shared, deep metaphysical truths being actualized in specific ways...

Actually how does this work? The planets are reflecting the totality of our consciousness individually and collectively, so depending on our evolutionary state, our thought patterns and information gathering (mercury) will be remembering(sn) and drawing towards(nn) the landscape of what is naturally true (sag).  If this is so, what a wonderful opportunity for shifting the mental overlay static of distorted patriarchal thinking.  Godess' gift in this time of strife.  

I'd like to see the current placements of the planets overlayed in this, can you do this? I haven't got solar fire I just use astrodienst and they don't have all the nodes. Perhaps the true-node site will. I am drawn to the real-timeness of this.

Thanks for the inspiration, Heather



 
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 02, 2010, 05:11 PM »

Hi Heather and Skywalker,

What I find really interesting is that BOTH Planetary Nodes of Mercury, that is, the SN and the NN, are both in Sagittarius and will be for a long time. That no matter where our left-brain linear logical mind takes us in the present moment, that it is constantly interfacing with its SN in Sag (natural truth and natural law) and its NN in Sag (what is necessary for evolution to continue).

And of course we are looking at the "diversity" of paths...some of these paths will connect directly to the SN of Mercury in SAG pre-patriarchy when humans lived in harmony with nature...interfacing with the present universal evolutionary forces impressing upon us the need to revisit Natural Law once again...to discard man-made law and guilt...and to align with truths in conjunction with the Ultimate Truth...and together with the NN of Mercury in SAG, as it aims and shoots its arrow forward, urging us on to explore ever-expanding horizons!

Incredibly exciting time!!!
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 02, 2010, 11:03 PM »

Hi All,

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For the true sag at heart, when does ‘what’s over the next ridge?’ stop?  Is there not always another ridge, plain, valley, river to cross?  In this sense, we see the natural crisis between sag and it’s natural inconjuncts to taurus and cancer - at which point the journey further leads to a crisis relative to staying rooted/surviving off of traditional ways/known lifestyle and the security of home being left behind.  ‘The grass is greener’ mentality is reflective of this need to continue to expand.  The crisis is amplified by a lack of allowing information to shape the course of the journey.  

I really appreciate that analysis. Sagittarius can really "bite off more than it can chew". In the largess of a vision, a soul can easily move onward beyond the point of sound reason and logic (Gemini polarity as a the trigger point for that natural yod). This can become so extreme to the point of lacking healthy boundaries/not knowing when to stop.

The core issue here is lack of integrity. Envisioning, based on a natural intuition of what in fact is possible, to the point of not being honest about oneself here and now.

I have a friend with Jupiter in Pisces squaring the nodes in Sag and Gemini. He has gone from "grand vision/plan" to the next for as long as I've known him. However he has not ever stuck with something long enough to truly reach a substantial level of accomplishment. As Neptune is approaching his natal Jupiter, this awareness is really encroaching upon him. He recently admitted to me that he realized (Sag key word) that he "has no integrity."
Sagittarius, post exuberance, can become overwhelmed by the realization that it doesn't actually know what it's doing. If that realization is embraced consciously, it can lead to a deep commitment to live according to a higher level of integrity and honesty with oneself.

The expansiveness and ever unfolding vista found in Sag is truly occurring within the soul itself. This is what the yod teaches, that it is necessary for sag to become internalized and connected to the emotional body- wherever it happens to be, even while on a journey. This way, it can check it's exuberance and always find that the true journey is within its own consciousness.

Well look at that! The song "A winter portrait" by Tim Janis, from his album "December Morning" just came up on my i-tunes shuffle. I didn't even know I had this music! Honestly, this has been the funnest Sag time of year I can remember!
With Love,
Ari Moshe

Added 5 minutes later: The next song that came up was one of my own, entitled: "I have faith, oh yeah". Very Sag!
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 03, 2010, 08:38 AM »

Hi, wow what a great thread! I wanted to add that Sagittarius is also connected to the mutual grand cross (Gemini polarity point, square to both Pisces and Virgo). An important issue within this grand cross is how we interpret (sag) external information (Gemini) and also how we inwardly process and analyze information (Virgo). If we interpret information from the subjective filter of our own preexisting belief system then the actual truth of the information becomes distorted/deceptive because it is based on illusions/delusions (Pisces). Remember that Sagittarius is ruled by Jupiter, and correlates to the need to expand and grow through embracing more and more of the total truth (Pisces). In other words, if our belief system is not in alignment with natural laws, and as Ari very clearly expressed if we are not being inwardly honest with ourselves, then we cannot interpret or communicate information clearly because, again, it is based in illusion and delusion (self deception).  A distortion of this archetype is to make generalizations (claim that your personal truth should be the truth for all others too!)
 The Sagittarius archetype can manifest as embellishments and exaggerations, and in its worst extreme total dishonesty. The point within this is that this core issue is then reflected within the other archetypes of the grand mutual cross of Virgo, Pisces and Gemini in the context of how we interpret and process external information, and how we then present this information to others. The square to Virgo can also manifest as an experience of crisis in order to align the person with natural laws and truths, and also to discern the nature of their own personal truth and beliefs. Those with emphazied saggittairus signature in their chart can also manifest natural teaching abilities that spark intutive understanding in other just based on way it is being communicated and taught.     
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 03, 2010, 04:48 PM »

Hi Deva, Ari, Heather, Skywalker, Bradley and everyone:

I do appreciate what you shared in your posts Deva and Ari - your messages have been personally enlightening for me, especially looking at the mutable grand cross.

Since there is such an ENORMOUS amount of information coming through many sources (internet, videos, books, visions, psychics, teachers, healers, you name it....) - the "search" can be quite pleasurable, exhilarating and adventurous - but what would be the correct stance to take in view of the mutable grand cross?  

Of course many of us would not wish to stop our search;  we would wish to continue to SIFT through the material.  Also, we would wish to "fasten on" to truth, concepts, teachings...yet they seem to slip away.  It's interesting how the Pisces archetype correlates to the Ultimate Truth, but ALSO to illusion, deception and disillusionment...that Virgo is needed for discrimination.

On my blog we share multitudes of info - and I'm pretty sure my group (now) understands Natural Law - how it has been suppressed and distorted - and this has been quite revolutionary for some of them.  For me, Natural Law is the foundation of truth on earth - as it connects to the bigger picture.  

The Sag search is a function of the right-brain:  imagination, visions, feeling, mysticism, spirituality, natural law/truth?  Now that we are entering the Age of Aquarius, and the right-brain Feminine is re-emerging - the Sag archetype would seem to be of paramount importance as we evolve in that direction.

So why does the Sag archetype continue searching?  And what is it exactly that it is searching for?  Who/what is the ultimate judge?  What "truth" can we truly trust to be real and true?

This is a great discussion.  Thanks!
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 04, 2010, 03:00 AM »

Deva,
This point is so key, I felt to post in again in bold!  
Thank you for this ever important articulation-
 
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"...An important issue within this grand cross is how we interpret (sag) external information (Gemini) and also how we inwardly process and analyze information (Virgo). If we interpret information from the subjective filter of our own preexisting belief system then the actual truth of the information becomes distorted/deceptive because it is based on illusions/delusions (Pisces). Remember that Sagittarius is ruled by Jupiter, and correlates to the need to expand and grow through embracing more and more of the total truth (Pisces). In other words, if our belief system is not in alignment with natural laws, and as Ari very clearly expressed if we are not being inwardly honest with ourselves, then we cannot interpret or communicate information clearly because, again, it is based in illusion and delusion (self deception)..."

So vital to understand,

Thanks so much Deva,
Dhyana
 
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« Reply #13 on: Dec 05, 2010, 02:09 PM »

If we interpret information from the subjective filter of our own preexisting belief system then the actual truth of the information becomes distorted/deceptive because it is based on illusions/delusions (Pisces).

.........The square to Virgo can also manifest as an experience of crisis in order to align the person with natural laws and truths, and also to discern the nature of their own personal truth and beliefs. Those with emphasized Sagittarius signature in their chart can also manifest natural teaching abilities that spark intuitive understanding in other just based on way it is being communicated and taught.


Hi Deva and Steve,

The way you have expressed this information is making me see it in a completely new light.  Just so I can fully grasp the meaning, could you please give an example of information coming through a person's subjective filter, and then the person experiencing a crisis in order to align with natural law?  Is there a chart we could view showing an example of this?

Could a person's pre-existing beliefs in natural law themselves be subject to the person receiving crisis in order to refine their understanding of natural law?

I've read and listened to a lot of information coming from people/teachers who feel they are aligned with the natural ways, yet some of the things they say sound like wild exaggerations.  How can one discern the accuracy of the inner world of intuition?  I remember reading from JWG that some visions come true and others not.

Thank you for this learning.
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« Reply #14 on: Dec 05, 2010, 09:53 PM »

I have a friend with Jupiter in Pisces squaring the nodes in Sag and Gemini. He has gone from "grand vision/plan" to the next for as long as I've known him. However he has not ever stuck with something long enough to truly reach a substantial level of accomplishment. As Neptune is approaching his natal Jupiter, this awareness is really encroaching upon him. He recently admitted to me that he realized (Sag key word) that he "has no integrity."
Sagittarius, post exuberance, can become overwhelmed by the realization that it doesn't actually know what it's doing. If that realization is embraced consciously, it can lead to a deep commitment to live according to a higher level of integrity and honesty with oneself.

Excellent, excellent, excellent Ari.  Setting the dear ego aside, I can personally vouch for the accuracy of this analysis as a potential within these symbols.  

Stacie  
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