Pages: [1] 2 3   Go Down
Print
Author Topic: Aquarius archetype  (Read 4973 times)
Gonzalo
Very Active Member
**
Posts: 482


« on: Jan 20, 2011, 07:16 AM »

Hi all

I’ve been asked by Linda to host the Aquarius archetype thread. So I am now posting a general description of the archetype to start with. All the observations, comments, insights or questions you may have, relating to this archetype, please post them here.

God Bless,

Gonzalo

Aquarius correlates to the Soul’s desire and need to liberate and decondition. Liberate and decondition from what? From everything that has conditioned the Soul in the past: all that the Soul has identified with and that didn’t truly or inherently belonged to the Soul. This includes the impact of the values, beliefs, ideas, opinions, lifestyles, of family, friends and society at large. The cycle of evolution represented by the Zodiac completes itself in Pisces. Just before Pisces, comes Aquarius, the 11th of 12 archetypes. Thus, the cycle is approaching an end. Much has come before this point in the cycle. Along the process that begun in Aries, and is now preparing to culminate, the Soul, or whatever dynamics within the Soul, have needed to be actualized in many different ways. These many different ways have involved socialization of the original evolutionary purpose. Thus, the Soul, or the specific dynamics, have opened to the points of view of many other people through relationships of all kind, and to the point of view of society at large: their values, beliefs, ideas, ways of being, etc. This process has been necessary in evolutionary terms, because an expansion of consciousness has potentially occurred through such process. Thus, the Soul has been able to expand its awareness about itself. At the same time, this process has determined that the Soul has taken in too much, so to speak, and now requires to liberate from all of this, and recover its original nature (original originally means that which existed at the beginning, the origin-something which is not always obvious in the word use, at least in Spanish). As the I Ching says, “the true nature of man is originally good, but it becomes clouded by contact with mundane things”.

I ask myself why does this still occur through an air, yang, archetype, still involving socialization? The answer I think is as follows: in first place, because a big part of this necessary liberation is many times a liberation from the consensus of society and culture (Capricorn). Thus, it is a process of becoming a minority within the whole social group. This occurs or is facilitated by becoming part or forming a smaller group with those within society who are aware or are becoming aware of being different from the consensus. This smaller group will provide mutual support for the new identity associations that are emerging within consciousness. Thus, the Soul will desire to belong to and be defined by this smaller group. The ongoing comparison and contrast process will then induce at some point the awareness that the Soul is yet different in relation with this group. This will lead to the formation of new identity associations through which the Soul will now liberate of the need to belong to the prior group, and will in turn desire to belong and be part of an even smaller group which is defined in more specific ways. Thus, the Soul is in a process of becoming a minority, which will lead to the point where the Soul becomes a “group of one”.

In turn, this dynamic operating in the context of the social group will serve for society at large to evolve, because it is creating a movement of people from one place to another within society, and it is also creating a proliferation of thoughts and signs within the social context. When individuating, people stop going places where they used to go, they give up behaving in the usual ways, they change their way of dressing, begin using new words. They make new friends, etc. All of this is noticeable for the rest of the people, and induces its own thought processes. When a part or component of a system changes, the whole system changes.

In second place, it is an air archetype because it is the maximum degree of objectivity. It operates as if liberation from certain external points of view occurred through being exposed to all the possible external points of view to which the Soul is naturally connected. Liberation is induced by objectivity, and objectivity is induced by detachment.

A third reason why it is an air archetype is because the “original nature” that is being liberated is the “idea” of the Soul that the Creator had in mind when projecting the Creation.
The Aquarius archetype is approaching the end of the evolutionary process symbolized by the Zodiac. It is not the conclusion itself, which is represented by Pisces. In Pisces, the Soul returns to the Source, or the specific archetypical dynamic culminates a cycle of evolutionary development and is experienced as connected to the universal, cosmic or absolute, at least potentially. Consciousness or the specific planetary function is experienced as united with the Unknown. Aquarius, placed between the maximum determination or maximum conditioning (Capricorn) and the maximum indetermination or the maximum unconditioned (Pisces) is not about the Unknown itself. As the JWG title for the book on Uranus makes clear, it is about “freedom from the known”. Thus, it is liberation from all what the Soul has known and is external to the Soul.

Becoming a minority implies a fragmentation of the society, which, from the point of view of consensus, is monolithic. We all know how consensus resists evolution and individuation. Social repression and psychological repression are one and the same archetype: Capricorn. The representation that the consensus has of society is a reflection, and a cause, of the narrowing of consciousness promoted and re-produced by society. Even though Freud didn’t see it this way, this narrowing of consciousness creates the Freudian conscious mind-the part of individual consciousness which is acceptable to the consensus of society. All the rest is pushed below conscious awareness, just in the same way as many things occurring within society affecting whole groups of people will not appear in the media, or will appear in distorted ways, whenever they don’t fit in the representation the consensus wants to maintain of society. Thus, Aquarius correlates to the individuated or individual subconscious, and, at the same time, to minorities and groups who don’t identify themselves with the consensus. In reality, it is these groups and the ideas they promote and interchange, that induce evolution of society. It is these Aquarian dynamics that keep society evolving and alive. Social fabric is created through socialization and friendship. Without these dynamics, society would be frozen and static. However, consensus is afraid of change, and represses and controls social life.

Resistance to evolution is thus the causal factor for the creation of trauma. Aquarius correlates to trauma, which are stored in the individuated unconscious. Stored within subconscious, the energy of trauma has the potential to create a fragmentation of personality. Why? Because the intensity of the trauma stored within the Soul breaks the linear structure of time-space. Past unresolved trauma is still occurring in time present. Thus, conscious awareness can be split between different times/places occurring at the same time. Aquarius correlates to individual and collective trauma.
Logged
Linda
Most Active Member
***
Posts: 1015



« Reply #1 on: Jan 21, 2011, 03:43 PM »

Hi Gonzalo,

Thank you for your brilliant introduction to this topic.  

As the Sun moved through Capricorn I observed the individual reaching social maturity in its interaction with practical, social and political affairs.  

Now that the Sun is in Aquarius I am noticing the pronounced change in energies as individuals become independent and break free from bondage to social and cultural support systems.  

Aquarius has no hesitation in breaking out or breaking free (revolution if necessary) so as to enhance the group through radical self-transformation, new discoveries, innovations and social visions.  

Sun in Aquarius experiences over the past few days:  new ideas, new patterns of thought, boldness, more freedom, expansion of consciousness, sharing with friends, sudden insights into the machinations of the mind and the psychology of human behaviour, repetitive messages, visions of past lives and the future.

Gonzalo's quote:  Aquarius correlates to the individuated or individual subconscious, and, at the same time, to minorities and groups who don’t identify themselves with the consensus.  In reality, it is these groups and the ideas they promote and interchange, that induce evolution of society.  It is these Aquarian dynamics that keep society evolving and alive.  Social fabric is created through socialization and friendship.  Without these dynamics, society would be frozen and static.

Question:  Does the underlined sentence mean that the consensus evolves when it embraces friendships with minority groups who don't identify with the consensus?

Thanks Gonzalo.  This thread is, and is going to be, a great experience!
« Last Edit: Jan 21, 2011, 03:51 PM by Linda » Logged
Gonzalo
Very Active Member
**
Posts: 482


« Reply #2 on: Jan 22, 2011, 10:31 AM »

Hi Linda

Quote
Does the underlined sentence mean that the consensus evolves when it embraces friendships with minority groups who don't identify with the consensus?

Great question. My few thoughts about this are as follows:

From the point of view of the archetype, I think the answer is yes. Yes, provided that it is true friendship. Aquarius is part of the fixed cross. It is opposed Leo and square Scorpio and Taurus. Scorpio correlates to the dual desire nature of the Soul, which translate in the desire to embrace evolution and the desire to resist evolution. Thus, if the Soul embraces its desire to evolve and individuate, friendship can result in a tremendously creative dynamic allowing for a reformulation of values, a metamorphosis of limitations. On the contrary, if the Soul chooses to resist evolution, what looked like a friendship will become the field of rivalry, manipulation, and betrayal, which can result in trauma. Friendship can also become the basis for projected expectations based on unresolved emotional insecurity, as reflected in the natural inconjunct between Cancer and Aquarius. Further, the South Node of Neptune is in Aquarius, this implying the potential for idealization of the possibilities of friendship. The possibility of idealization originates in the natural collective way of living of the species as existed in the prior Aquarius Age, defined by sharing and inclusion, based on the understanding of the interconnectedness of all beings. Many times these expectations and idealizations have resulted in crises, and trauma. A man who had Neptune in the 11th House and Uranus in Pisces once said that there is no greater love than giving one’s life for one’s friends.

Aquarius being part of the fixed cross implies that true friendship is a very challenging dynamic. It requires being able to be true to oneself, while being true to another. Thus, not being dependent on other, but allowing to be challenged by that other. Being self-reliant and consistent with own values, while embracing the desire to evolve beyond those values. It implies assuming one’s specialness for other, while embracing the specialness of the other.

Many themes, and many reasons and purposes can exist for friendship or related dynamics between Souls, and between Souls in different evolutionary conditions, which are specific to each Soul.

Would love to hear what others have to say about your question.

God Bless,

Gonzalo
« Last Edit: Jan 22, 2011, 07:34 PM by Gonzalo » Logged
Linda
Most Active Member
***
Posts: 1015



« Reply #3 on: Jan 25, 2011, 02:51 AM »

Hi Gonzalo and everyone,

I've been wondering why this topic is proceeding so slowly, and it lead me to think today that perhaps quite a number of people have experienced or are experiencing disillusionment in their friendships.  Well I certainly am.  And now that the Sun has moved into Aquarius these issues are on my mind constantly.  I've been thinking specifically about the long-term transit of Chiron and Neptune in Aquarius, and perhaps how this has, on the one hand, triggered Chirotic wounds in us from the past such as friendships suddenly dissolving, and on the other, given us the opportunity to enjoy some amazing friendships.  (I have natal Chiron in Aquarius 4th.)

Gonzalo, you have drawn our attention to the Planetary South Node of Neptune in Aquarius, so we would need to consider all the ways that friendships have painfully ended in the past.  With the square to Scorpio, we can look at betrayal, deceit and violations of trust.  Are we still carrying these traumas within our souls?  Are there aspects in our charts that reflect these traumas?  Idealistically we would want to retain our friendships since they satisfy a human need in us for sharing, intimacy, and joy.  Where is Uranus in our charts?  What does that tell us about the types of friendships we seek, and the traumas that we experience?

Learning about the Aquarius/Cancer inconjunct from you Gonzalo has been insightful.  It brings up another question:    Where can true friendship be found - or is there no such thing - or perhaps is it just a temporary phenomenon?

Gonzalo, could you please help us understand the requirements of the Planetary North Node in Leo?

(Where is everyone?  Huh Cheesy)
Logged
Gonzalo
Very Active Member
**
Posts: 482


« Reply #4 on: Jan 27, 2011, 07:22 AM »

Hi Linda

The guidelines you suggest for continuing this thread seem deeply interesting to me.

I am not prepared to answer your question concerning the evolutionary intention of the North Node of Neptune being in Leo. I have asked myself this question since some months ago, but I don’t really know the answer. I wish someone who really knows about this will provide an accurate answer.

The South Node of Neptune entered in Aquarius on April 754. The South Node of Neptune entered in Aquarius while the North Node of Neptune still remained in Cancer for some years, before in entered in Leo. The South Node of Neptune kept moving between the last degrees of Capricorn and the early degrees of Aquarius for some years too. Then, on September 768, the North Node of Neptune entered in Leo, while the South Node was back in Capricorn for a while. Thus, the movement of the Neptune Nodes into Aquarius/Leo highlighted these two natural inconjuncts: Aquarius/Cancer and Capricorn/Leo. This shift in the Nodes of Neptune occurred at the time when Padmasambhava carried the Buddhist teachings into Tibet. These Buddhist teachings as taught by Padmasambhava in Tibet emphasized the “higher” vehicles or paths within Buddhism, which are based on transformation and liberation. As JWG has remarked, transformation and liberation are Aquarius/Uranus archetypes. Some aspects of these forms of Tibetan Buddhism (Tantrism and Dzogchen) reflect ancient teachings which were older than Buddhism, or parallel to Buddhism (South Node in Aquarius). And some of these aspects reflect the archetypes contained in these inconjuncts (Aquarius/Cancer, Capricorn/Leo). These two inconjuncts also correlate with some forms, manifestations and causes of spiritual delusions of grandeur.

I hope a specific answer to your question will be provided by Rad, Deva, or Steve, or anybody else who is prepared to do so.

God Bless,

Gonzalo
« Last Edit: Jan 27, 2011, 09:58 AM by Gonzalo » Logged
mountainheather
Active Member
*
Posts: 192


« Reply #5 on: Jan 27, 2011, 11:18 AM »

Hi Linda and Gonzalo,
I've been working in my self/other responsibilities lately and thus not as much ea time as I had hoped for. I am so amazed by the depth of information people on this mb have!

What occurred to me about Aquarius, from my own experience is a sense of alienation. This may be a shadow aspect, rather than a distortion by the patrarchy, but I feel it is a core emotional tone in this archetype.

Thank you for keeping this thread going,

Heather
 
 
Logged
ari moshe
Most Active Member
***
Posts: 1239


« Reply #6 on: Jan 27, 2011, 06:29 PM »

Hi all,

Quote
...it is a process of becoming a minority within the whole social group. This occurs or is facilitated by becoming part or forming a smaller group with those within society who are aware or are becoming aware of being different from the consensus. This smaller group will provide mutual support for the new identity associations that are emerging within consciousness. Thus, the Soul will desire to belong to and be defined by this smaller group.

Gonzalo, I love the way you expressed that!

Thought I'd share an example of that, however one that is occuring within the context of the consensus state: Sarah Palin and the tea party in the US.

Quote
The South Node of Neptune entered in Aquarius on April 754. The South Node of Neptune entered in Aquarius while the North Node of Neptune still remained in Cancer for some years, before in entered in Leo. The South Node of Neptune kept moving between the last degrees of Capricorn and the early degrees of Aquarius for some years too. Then, on September 768, the North Node of Neptune entered in Leo, while the South Node was back in Capricorn for a while. Thus, the movement of the Neptune Nodes into Aquarius/Leo highlighted these two natural inconjuncts: Aquarius/Cancer and Capricorn/Leo. This shift in the Nodes of Neptune occurred at the time when Padmasambhava carried the Buddhist teachings into Tibet. These Buddhist teachings as taught by Padmasambhava in Tibet emphasized the “higher” vehicles or paths within Buddhism, which are based on transformation and liberation. As JWG has remarked, transformation and liberation are Aquarius/Uranus archetypes. Some aspects of these forms of Tibetan Buddhism (Tantrism and Dzogchen) reflect ancient teachings which were older than Buddhism, or parallel to Buddhism (South Node in Aquarius). And some of these aspects reflect the archetypes contained in these inconjuncts (Aquarius/Cancer, Capricorn/Leo). These two inconjuncts also correlate with some forms, manifestations and causes of spiritual delusions of grandeur.   

I really appreciate that insight.
am
Logged
Lucius
Active Member
*
Posts: 152


« Reply #7 on: Jan 27, 2011, 09:21 PM »

I'm seeing the Aquarian archetype in society lately as disillusionment linked with traumatic circumstances that require a level of objectivity that most people resist - for most losing security, wealth, relationships, etc. defines 'trauma' people will cling to all manner of beliefs and attitudes which I see connected to the 'group within a group' type mentality - of the sort you see in the so-called 'tea party'.  There doesn't seem to be anything new with these folks - I think the climate of the times (aquarian in nature) has created the impetus for them to 'band together' these types of people have always been there but the 'climate' of politics has spurred them into action - the fear of socialism, inherent racism, the whole Ayn Rand schtick, etc, is like a match struck.  I find this interesting in the context of Obama being Lincoln and the divide in the Civil War and the divide widening now. 

I think I recall the idea of 'mass hysteria', etc. and traumatic experiences linked with large groups of people, society has been shown with nodes, moon and pluto in the 11th, aquarius and uranus aspects. 

Anyway, I don't know if I'm expressing myself clearly here - but basically I'm seeing society in general being forcibly, traumatically removed from their comfort zones and these can lead to the extreme reactions, violence and hate-groups that seem to be growing in tandem with the perceived threats of change, all and any change - and there is no doubt humanity (and the earth) are going through extreme changes - technology, environment, in America frankly the rise of fascism or plutocracy and the dying breaths of democracy (that's how I see it anyway!) and for some of these 'fringe' groups having a man who is not white, to have a man who clearly believes in religious tolerance, education and the idea that America may not be what it once was (or that is what he's accused of - the lack of a lapel pin, or Mitt Romneys book titled something to the effect of 'no apology - the case for american greatness' which was a dig at Obama, etc.) is too much for them to bear.

I think you see the 'individuation' process that occurs naturally here (the aquarian archetype) as a tendency like the one I described above frequently in the consensus state - and that's where most people are - of course, these experiences will force the needed reflection and changes within these people but frequently the aquarian nature of the group involvment itself lends much to the state of trauma, instead of healing it.  In the individuated state it seems that groups can reinforce some 'separating' from consensus beliefs but also put so much weight on being radical for it's own sake that pretty crazy situations can happen that again create more trauma for the individuals involved - I see this with religious, 'underground' , and political groups. 

I'd be interested in anyone's idea of the Aquarian archetype when considered from a spiritual evolutionary state perspective....?  Sense individuation will no longer be inherently wrapped up with society & conditioning for the most part because the soul is 'free' from the fear of regressing that characterizes a fair amount of the individuated condition (or that's how I've understood it) I would think Aquarius would/could manifest quite differently.  I understand one aspect would be the releasing of the subconscious mind/memories - ?  Looking forward to reading other's thoughts! 
Logged
Dhyana
Very Active Member
**
Posts: 490


« Reply #8 on: Jan 28, 2011, 01:10 AM »

Hi,
I just wanted to say that I made 2 attempts today to share on this thread and I wrote for like an hour ---and BOTH times I accidentally deleted them! Both times! Shocked  Tongue

(plus I spilled water all over my mac)

I can't believe that happened?Huh??

It got so ridiculous the 2nd time I deleted it (after I borrowed a computer to do it), that all I can do now is LAUGH Grin at how absurd this day has been!

(Nodes moving into in Gemini / my writng and computer???)

Basically, what I am saying -- I am still with you guys!--(kind of Aquarian, yes? ) --but I am not writing anymore right now ,LOL.


Lovingly,
Dhyana
« Last Edit: Jan 28, 2011, 03:32 AM by Dhyana » Logged
Linda
Most Active Member
***
Posts: 1015



« Reply #9 on: Jan 28, 2011, 10:40 PM »

Keep trying Dhyana - we'd love to hear from you!   Cheesy

~ ~ ~

I'd be interested in anyone's idea of the Aquarian archetype when considered from a spiritual evolutionary state perspective....?  


Hi Lucius,

Thanks for your response.  It was great reading your thoughts.  Here are a few of my own ideas concerning the Aquarius archetype in the Spiritual evolutionary condition.....

This individual possesses radical understanding of the other evolutionary states.  That is, he/she can clearly see how the Consensus is stuck in a limited Saturnian kind of grip, repeating the same old behaviours, fearing to step out of them, the majority banding together, thinking and believing the same things (ambition, self-interest, greed), supporting the same old political parties and adhering to the old religious principles:  all for the purpose of maintaining security or unconsciousness.  

The Aquarian individual in the Spiritual condition is aware that Individuated people seek to liberate from the consensus by rebelling, thinking for themselves, and creatively expressing their uniqueness so as to move society forward.  The deeper insight of the uniqueness of Souls is understood and respected.

In the Spiritual evolutionary condition, the Aquarius individual has exhausted all desires connected to the earlier evolutionary conditions.  This individual would be aware of the differences between man-made law and natural law, therefore it can gauge the difference between man-made guilt and natural guilt.

This individual would desire to pursue a spiritual path in solitude (perhaps having suffered trauma, shocks and ostracization in the past), so that consciousness continues to expand into the Universal, away from all the distractions of the world.  The egoic structure which is experienced while being centered in the Soul can manifest in a multitude of ways, but there will always be an underlying spirituality to serve the Great Oneness in some way.

Actions and desires motivated by compassion, love, humility, purity, alignment with Natural Law and Universal Truth can bring about change on all levels.  Aquarian spiritual archetypes would include:  liberation, diversity, uniqueness, enlightenment, illumination, hopes, ideals, acceptance, friendship, egalitarianism, transformation.

Spiritual service would include a commitment to revolutionary/unusual/new healing and teaching methods (example, the use of the intellect/intuition in disciplines such as astrology), as a reflection of uniqueness and innovation in its relationship with the Universal Spirit.  A person in the Spiritual condition sensitive toward the trauma experienced by others could work in the area of psycho-spiritual healing, trauma recovery, PLR, shamanism, and co-creation.

The Aquarius energy would push the person in the Spiritual condition away from comfort zones that have become obsolete, or anything not aligned with Truth, thus bringing about continual transformation in their spiritual practice/service.

Added later:
I don't know if the following innovators/teachers are in the Spiritual evolutionary condition, but their work is certainly highly innovative and 'Aquarian' (perhaps some could be placed in the 2nd stage Spiritual)  :  Dr Emoto's "Messages from Water" - Jonathan Goldman's and Paul Collier's musical meditations and frequencies for DNA healing - Tom Kenyon's Hathor planetary messages, Jean Hudon's upbeat planetary news, channel Patricia Cori - shaman Drunvalo Melchizedek - teacher Adyashanti - etc.
« Last Edit: Jan 29, 2011, 12:01 AM by Linda » Logged
Linda
Most Active Member
***
Posts: 1015



« Reply #10 on: Jan 29, 2011, 12:09 AM »

Aquarius - 11th house - Uranus


Liberation from conditioning          
Individuality
Individuation
Rebellion
Like-minded groups
Group hysteria
Secret Societies
Alienation
Hopes
Ideals

Long-term memory              
Anarchist
Tribe
Community
Fragmentation
Trauma
Mass Trauma
Splitting
Unique
Shocking

Projection
Hyper-activity
Prometheus
Revolutionary
Ostracized
Cast out
Astral plane
Telepathic
Objective awareness


[P. Walsh, EA Archetypes]



« Last Edit: Jan 29, 2011, 12:18 AM by Linda » Logged
Gonzalo
Very Active Member
**
Posts: 482


« Reply #11 on: Jan 29, 2011, 04:45 PM »

Hi Linda

Coming back to your prior question, my intuition is that one evolutionary intention of the North Node of Neptune being in Leo is to reveal the delusion of purposeful action. Leo is naturally inconjunct Pisces. In Leo, individuality and the sense of a special purpose to accomplish which originated in Aries-the original separation, are fully developed. However, this orientation is totally subjective. Purposeful action implies a pre-existing linear arrangement of reality (Gemini) in which the individual identifies its sense of special destiny. At the same time, this Leonian orientation confirms such arrangement because it is the basis on which the sense of purpose operates: it makes it more fixed and rigid. “I am in point A, I want to get to point B, hence, I must go from A to B, and the way from A to B goes through here and there”. From the point of view of Scorpio-the Soul, the square between Leo and Scorpio implies the need to liberate from the sense of special purpose. Thus, the inconjunct between Pisces and Leo implies the experience of illusion, and disillusionment, of the Leonian orientation based on the power of purpose. As the Tao Te King says, “the path is not the Path”.

Further, we can consider that Leo correlates to a pyramidal structure within consciousness in which the individual places itself on top of the pyramid. The individual feels as the center of the universe. The inconjunct between Leo and Pisces, in ultimate terms, would imply the realization or the need to realize that only God is the center of everything. This would be other aspect of the evolutionary intention of the North Node of Neptune being in Leo.

Hi Lucius

Quote
I'd be interested in anyone's idea of the Aquarian archetype when considered from a spiritual evolutionary state perspective....?  Sense individuation will no longer be inherently wrapped up with society & conditioning for the most part because the soul is 'free' from the fear of regressing that characterizes a fair amount of the individuated condition (or that's how I've understood it) I would think Aquarius would/could manifest quite differently.  I understand one aspect would be the releasing of the subconscious mind/memories - ?  Looking forward to reading other's thoughts!

Further to what Linda wrote, I would add that the intention of Aquarius archetype in the Spiritual evolutionary condition is liberation of any kind that is necessary: liberation from fears, from trauma, from evil, from subjectivity, delusions, pre-existing orientations, etc. Aquarius correlates to the original nature, which is beyond individuated consciousness in the Jungean sense, as it correlates to the Buddhist diamond nature, or the nature of Buddha. Buddhism is in essence quite an Aquarian spiritual system.    

Personally I would also say EA is quite Aquarian in a sense. Evolution of the Soul occurs through the experience of relative satisfaction of desires. We cannot simply suppress or repress our desire nature. Desires emanating from the Soul have to be lived out in some way, in order to experience that the satisfaction they bring is limited. Only then, desires can be known as relatively unsatisfying. At the same time, while these desires are being exhausted, other desires are being created by the Soul. These new desires have to be acted on in some way too. Thus, we keep acting on, and then, giving up desires, until we reach the point where we have experienced the relative satisfaction/dissatisfaction of all these desires, and progressively embrace the only desire that can remain, which is the desire to return to the Source. However, because separation desires also manifest as resistance to evolution, we tend to get stuck in the familiar dynamics, ie. in acting out those desires to which we have got used to, even when they already are not satisfying any longer, and tend to refuse acting on the other desires that are emanating from the Soul, because of insecurity. EA revels this type of information in the birthchart: what types of desires have already been acted on and to what point, and which are the “new” desires that will create the necessary experiences that will allow to give up the old desires. This is totally objective information (Aquarius), based on the Souls inherent nature (Aquarius) and the complete story of how desires have been acted on, allowing a liberation from outmoded desires.

God Bless,

Gonzalo
Logged
Linda
Most Active Member
***
Posts: 1015



« Reply #12 on: Jan 29, 2011, 07:06 PM »

Thank you for your wonderful response Gonzalo.  Very enlightening! 

Further to the North Node of Neptune being in Leo, I had been trying to see how Leo could become 'spiritualized.'  Of course, it cannot, because it places itself at the centre of its own universe.  Once one sees through the illusion of egocentricity and special purpose, then the dissolving effect of Neptune becomes completely necessary for further evolution to continue.  What a powerful experience of the Soul's desire to return to the Source.  That is, being set free from trying to achieve a special purpose.  The purpose of the inconjunct between Leo/Pisces is atonement, humility, peace and surrender to a Higher Power.  I can really see that operating.
Logged
ari moshe
Most Active Member
***
Posts: 1239


« Reply #13 on: Jan 29, 2011, 08:57 PM »

Quote
EA revels this type of information in the birthchart: what types of desires have already been acted on and to what point, and which are the “new” desires that will create the necessary experiences that will allow to give up the old desires. This is totally objective information (Aquarius), based on the Souls inherent nature (Aquarius) and the complete story of how desires have been acted on, allowing a liberation from outmoded desires.
 

That was really insightful for me too! Thank you as always Gonzalo.

I want to add a bit to that discussion. As stated, in the spiritual state the Aquarius archetype expresses as absolute deconditioning. True deconditioning is the ability to observe the past from an objective point of reference, ie not identifying with it. This is why it is absolutely natural as a soul progresses through stages of evolution, for the soul to progressively recall more of its past lives.

The problem in the second stage of the spiritual state is when the soul begins to experience "self as observer", it then begins to identify itself as "liberated". I'm starting to understand the Aquarian side to the Leo sub stage of the spiritual state a bit more.

Another couple spiritual state Aquarius people I'd like to mention:
Jeff Green of course (Neptune in 11th, Uranus in 8th conj nn)
Ken Wilber (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFFMtq5g8N4) and this one, hehe: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_Aznf6HTpI&feature=related)

Quote
Further to the North Node of Neptune being in Leo, I had been trying to see how Leo could become 'spiritualized.'  Of course, it cannot, because it places itself at the centre of its own universe.  Once one sees through the illusion of egocentricity and special purpose, then the dissolving effect of Neptune becomes completely necessary for further evolution to continue.  What a powerful experience of the Soul's desire to return to the Source.  That is, being set free from trying to achieve a special purpose.  The purpose of the inconjunct between Leo/Pisces is atonement, humility, peace and surrender to a Higher Power.  I can really see that operating.

Wow, beautifully said Linda, thank you! This clarifies for me more about the nature of the transition from second stage to first stage.

I'm feeling so inspired tonight!
God bless,
Ari Moshe



Logged
ari moshe
Most Active Member
***
Posts: 1239


« Reply #14 on: Jan 29, 2011, 09:28 PM »

Hi all,

Jeff Green teaches that there are 3 general ways that a soul, or a group of souls will embrace the Uranian impulse:
1. Resist it completely
2. Partially embrace is
3. Completely go for it

It occurred to me that the reality of some souls and communities partially embracing the impulse for liberation creates a very unique dynamic whereby more diversity becomes more available in more communities. For example:

This weekend I was visiting family in NYC, and I attended a Jewish orthodox synagouge. I was very impressed by this congregation. The rabbi openly embraces 2 homosexual Jewish men as complete members of the congregation. This is atypical for an orthodox community.

Meanwhile, as per what is typical, the women don't get any right, and as usual must sit behind the men, while being blocked by a curtain from the prayer services (so the men don't get distracted). The status quo was typical consensus state endocentricity and sexism- and yet there was such a unique individuated spirit in the congregation. Surprisingly, in my dirty kaki's, long hair and sneakers, the Rabbi asked me if I wanted to lead the congregation in one of the prayers (and I said yes- but that's another story, a really exciting one!)

To me, this is an example of how liberation occurs not just laterally, but also internally (as of now I can't think of any other words to describe this). A new value system was adopted into a consensus community. That is an internal process of more diversity becoming embraced within the context of a pre-existing consensus culture.

I see how the creation seems to operate in that way. Yoga for example is everywhere. It's an old concept that has become a new concept as it is embraced to fit into various cultures and stages of evolution.

I think this is a natural process whereby the truth (Neptune) flows like water into the various social groups (Uranus) and is adopted by these groups in such a way as to conform to the social climate of these groups (Saturn).
Ari Moshe
Logged
Pages: [1] 2 3   Go Up
Print
Jump to: