SYNASTRY AND COMPOSITE CHARTS..........

[Rad]

Hi Group,

Going to try again to see if there is enough interest to warrant starting a thread on the application of the EA principles in synastry and composite charts. This would involve how to evaluate correctly individual charts in terms of any given Souls orientation to relationships, and the reasons for that orientation evolutionarily speaking. Then how two people come together based on their individual needs and orientation to a relationship that we call synastry charts, and then how they evolve together in their actual relationship that we call composite charts. This type of thread would be very extensive over a period of time.

Gonzalo, Ari, and Upasika have said they would like to participate in this thread as did Linda and Mirta when I first made this proposal some weeks earlier. So if you are interested let me know. If there is a real desire to do this then we will move forwards with it.

 God Bless, Rad

[jasonholley]

Yes Rad, I would be interested in participating actively in this thread.  It will be my first such foray on the mb, and with four planets in Libra I suppose relationships is a great place for me to start!

Also, I want to say thank you for your service here.  I have learned so much reading through the archives and participating somewhat peripherally so far in a couple of the threads. 

God bless,
Jason

[Pattycr]

Hello Rad,

I'm not sure how valuable of a contribution I could make, but this has no correlation to how appreciative I would be if the thread was opened, and I would try to participate the best I could. It would be a great learning experience, and I would really be interested in reading the comments, or sharing information from my personal relationships, and what I've learned.

Thanks for offering,

Patty

[Rad]

Hi All,

 Ok, so it seems, so far, that Jason, Pattycr, Gonzalo, Linda, Mirta, Ari, and Upasika are interested in this thread. Mirta and Linda please affirm that you are when you see this post. I will plan on starting this thread next Monday. If anyone else is interested please let me know.

God Bless, Rad

[mirta]

Yes Rad, I am interested and will try to participate, despite my beginner level. Sorry for not letting you know again.
Thanks so much for this opportunity.
God Bless
Mirta

[Linda]

Yes, thank you Rad, I have not changed my mind.
I would be glad to be a member of the group
participating in this thread.

[Rad]

Hi Group,

Ok, so we will begin our journey in this new thread on synastry and composite charts. I have been thinking of a couple to use as an example that most of us will have some familiarity with so as to make this thread as effective and understandable as can be. So I thought we could work with Yoko Ono and John Lennon.

The first place to start when we do relationship work and counseling is to fully understand the individuality of each person first: their own ongoing evolutionary journey. In understanding the individual context, reality, of each partner this then allows for an understanding of what each needs in general relative to their own ongoing evolutionary progression, but also what each needs from the relationships that they form with others. As JWG often said we all attract what we need EVEN IF WE DON'T KNOW WE NEED IT.

As we move through this thread we will be covering the issue of relationship types as discussed in JWG's second book: Pluto: The Soul's Evolution In Relationships. This will also include the issues of karma mates, soul mates, etc. We will discuss the difference between synastry charts between two people, and the composite chart that is made of those two people in relationship together. Synastry charts correlate to how the two people are interacting as distinct individuals with one another, and the composite chart correlates to how those two people 'combine' together as a unit: why they are together.

So as we begin our journey using the example of Ono and Lennon it is at first necessary to understand each as their own individuals who have their own evolutionary past, present, and future. So at this point we will be analyzing the individual charts of each. In so doing we will of course employ the EA paradigm so as to understand each of them in this way. So, right now, let's start with John Lennon first. Let yourself focus on him by employing the EA paradigm to his chart.

If you have any questions right now please ask. Let's have a go of it.

God Bless, Rad

[Rad]

composite of Lennon and Ono

[jasonholley]

Hi Rad, and all,

Here are my thoughts on the EA view of the evolutionary bottom line of this chart.  I do not have a huge knowledge base about John Lennon, however I imagine (!) and sense the resonance of at least these basic themes from what I do know.

This is a Soul which has had a powerful internal focus over previous lifetimes.  Its deepest concern has been the development of a strong internal sense of security (Pluto 4th) connected to its ability to express and project its own unique self (Pluto Leo) and preserve this self (Pluto 4th).  It has been preoccupied with its own specialness (Leo) and wounding around the projection of that specialness (Chiron conjunct Pluto in Leo).  In some sense it has been seeking to alchemize its wounding into a kind of special gift and healership (Chiron) around these issues, and it has been turned back onto itself repeatedly in dealing with this (Pluto in 4th).  It has mobilized on behalf of this concern in past lives by creating conditions and circumstances leading to isolation and withdrawal from society (SN 12th) in order to develop a singular focus on itself and its own uniqueness (SN Aries).  This focus on self and on particular aspects of self has probably generated projections and conflict and drawn confrontation (SN 12th, Aries), and cycles of crisis have been a theme in its growth.  It has made use of a diverse range of sometimes-extreme (SN Ruler Libra) service/work/discipleship arrangements (Ruler SN 6th house) and partnerships/relationships (SN Ruler Libra) to provide it the isolation from society and intense personal focus, opportunities to distinguish its uniqueness (SN 12th, Aries).  It has often sacrificed itself in some way and held itself to extreme standards/ideals (6th/12th , Aries/Libra focus).

The Soul’s evolutionary intention is to move “into the world” and to develop its ability to find a place for itself in society, to become socially useful and responsible (Pluto 10th) in terms of the larger societal structure.  It seeks to understand itself in a more objective and impersonal way (Aquarius) in relation to the larger world around it (Pluto 10th), and it seeks to universalize the personal (PPP conjunct Moon in Aquarius in 10th), bridging its own ego/emotional body and its awareness of that ego to the collective/masses.  It has also given form to a new mental organization, a new mental template of how relationships, partnerships, intimacy, and sexuality work (Pluto 1Qtr Square Mercury 7th Scorpio), and is now ready to begin bringing that mental form into the world.   It can actualize this intention in this lifetime through focusing more deeply on service and meaningful work (NN 6th) and by developing its awareness of others (NN Libra); it has in fact engaged in diverse relationships and discipleships in the past (SN Ruler in Libra/6th), but now it is called to do this in a new way (SN ruler conjunct NN) where these actions are a focus in and for themselves, versus being primarily a vehicle for the deeper understanding of self and spirit (SN in 12th/Aries).  It can pursue this focus through the vehicle of a unique and creative self-expression (NN Ruler 5th) vehicle of service (NN Ruler Virgo), something that builds on, expresses, projects, and makes use of the deep self-knowing that it has pursued in the past.  

The Soul in this lifetime is striving to develop towards the evolutionary intention described above but it has lost the initial “yang” steam it had when it set out and is now in a yin phase in this lifetime where it can tend to “flip flop” between the past preoccupations and approaches and the intentions it has now (Mars/Pluto Crescent Phase).  It is working to understand itself and its karmic mission, and how that can be accomplished better, and trying to root itself in the new structures and methods that will be required (Mars sextile Pluto).

Relationally while the mentalization of a new template of relationship/intimacy has already developed a form (Merc 7th Scorpio 1Q square Pluto), the Soul is catching up to this experientially by culminating a long series of relational processes (Mars/Venus balsamic).  In this lifetime, there are loose ends to tie up and final illusions to let go of largely related to being true to self and in charge of one’s own destiny while also being connected to others fulfilling a service function in society (5th/6th Virgo/Libra themes of Mars/Venus).  In particular projections around the perfection of partners and/or gurus, and the tendency for self-sacrifice and conditioned feelings of unworthiness, and thus making the other a perfect God, must be dissolved (Venus in Virgo).  This will be fulfilled in part through active pursuit and engagement of a variety of relationships and discipleships to understand right relationship (Mars in Libra).  It is possible for the Soul very easily to achieve or resist the evolutionary intentions of these relational encounters.  (Mars/Venus semi-sextile).  

I love the deep engagement with the chart that is possible when considered through EA.  I would so appreciate feedback on this.

God bless,
Jason  

[Note: This is based on John Lennon as 1st stage spiritual -- if this is inaccurate and he was individuated I would look more at emphasis on work and on sadomasochistic dyadic relationships vs. discipleship/service and a lesser level of concsiousness in general around relationships where they are about rebelling/identifying self vs. spiritual growth and letting go of self/illusion, also would look at the themes of aloneness shown by 12th house in terms of confinement, involuntary experiences, perhaps related to war.  I would also look at a much more intense resistance to public life (Pluto 4th) than his life seems to show, which while it is there I would think that the desire to "hole up" and nurture his uniqueness (Leo) in his life and home would have won out in much more of his life than it did (and would attribute the extent tot which it did, for example his householder period, to his crescent phase Mars/Pluto.)]

[Rad]

Hi Jason and all,

Jason you have made a very good effort, and I could follow your EA reasoning very well. To confirm: yes, Lennon was in the very first 1st stages of the Spiritual Evolutionary condition. Thus, since it is in the very beginning of this stage, his Soul is primarily coming from his prior evolution within the 3rd Stage of the individuated evolutionary condition.

In order to understand his Soul's needs and orientation to relationships with others in general, and intimate one's specifically, we need to really focus on his 4th House Pluto conjunct his Chiron and Vesta which is in opposition to his Moon in Aquarius. Both are square in Mercury in Scorpio in the 7th, and that Mercury is in opposition to his Saturn/Jupiter conjunction in his 1st. They in turn square in Pluto and Chiron as well as the Moon in Aquarius in the 10th. In essence, a grand fixed cross. These symbols correlate with the complexity of his emotional dynamics that in total correlate to the causative factors in his choices with whom to become involved with intimately, as well as with those whom to allow in his life by way of friends or others in general. His Pluto/Chiron/Vesta conjunction is trine his S.Node in Aries in the 12th, sextile the N.Node in Libra in the 6th. The ruler of the S.Node is conjunct the N.Node.

One of the symbols to focus on within this is the fact that his natal Pluto/Chiron is also conjunct his natal Vesta and the N.Node of Vesta. His S.Node of Vesta is in Sagittarius in his 9th. His S.Node of Vesta is ruled by that Saturn/Jupiter conjunction in his 1st which is part of the Fixed Grand Cross.

So let's see if we can unravel and understand the nature of his emotional dynamics that have come with him into the current life: where they came from and why, and how they become the basis of the inner causes within him that determine his choices for the types of relationships that he formed in his life.


God Bless, Rad

[jasonholley]

Hi Rad,

Thank you for the feedback, I see that I missed the Jupiter/Saturn square to Pluto and the Vesta/Pluto conjunction, I am still adjusting to the EA paradigm's orbs.  I'm looking forward to exploring with you and the group the emotional dynamics described in this complex Pluto configuration, thanks again, more to learn...

God bless,
Jason

[ari moshe]

Hi all, thought I'd provide some basic biographical info that points to his ea stage as transitioning into/early first stage spiritual.

From: http://www.questbooks.net/title.cfm?bookid=2133

At just 23 years old, at the height of Beatlemania, the brash and young Lennon was on top of the world, even declaring the band’s popularity had eclipsed that of Jesus Christ. Despite his fame, internally, Lennon was experiencing a dark night of the soul. The turning point came for Lennon, locked in a bathroom during the winter of 1966. As he knelt at the pinnacle of his self-alienation, held hostage by his own existential and emotional breakdown, Lennon pleaded with God to show him the way. Lennon’s unrequited appeal proved to be the catalyst for his emergence as an iconoclast, albeit, altruistic leader. Tillery walks us through Lennon’s personal spiritual journey; his experimentation with drugs; his encounters with the Maharishi; his undertaking of primal scream therapy; and his relationship with Yoko Ono.

Here is a link to the chapter from this book specifically focusing on John Lennon's spirituality:
http://www.questbooks.net/PDF/ch4Idealist.pdf

(for some reason, many of the words in the passages I quote are hard to read, so I recommend just visiting the link and reading the whole chapter- it's quite revealing).

On page 43:
  “Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn’t argue with that; I’m right and I
will be proved right. We’re more popular than Jesus now; I don’t know
which will go i first—rock ’n’ roll or Christianity. Jesus as all right but
his disciples were thick and ordinary. It’s them twisting it that ruins it
for me.” 

From page 45:

  “People got the image I was anti-Christ or antireligion. I’m not at all. I’m a most religious fellow. . . . I’m certainly not an
atheist. h ere is more that we still could know. I think this magic is just a
way of saying science we don’t know yet or we haven’t explored yet. h at’s
not antireligious at all.”10
He elaborated on the same theme on another occasion: “I don’t know
that anyone like me, who questions everything down to the colour of his
socks, can believe in an old man in the sky.” h en, at er a thoughtful silence: “I believe in something, dei nitely. I believe there is a force at work
that you can’t physically account for.”
11
When someone posed the question to him very straightforwardly,
“Do you believe in God?” he responded by being more specii c, of ering a
very potent and suggestive simile: “Yes. I believe that God is like a powerhouse, like where you keep electricity, like a power station. And that he’s
a supreme power, and that he’s neither good nor bad, let , right, black or
white. He just is. And we tap that source of power and make of it what we
will. Just as electricity can kill people in a chair, or you can light the room
with it.”12
h  e  powerhouse  simile  made  more  understandable  his  comments  in
another interview in which he voiced his feeling that he and Paul were not
the creators of, but merely the channels for, the songs they wrote. h en
he digressed: “It’s like when you talk about God, you know. I say ‘God,’ I
mean ‘God,’ I mean ‘Goddess,’ I mean ‘It.’ . . . But when I refer to God in
private, I don’t have to go ‘God,’ ‘Gods,’ ‘Goddesses,’ ‘It.’ You know, like,
Yoko, or whoever I’m talking to, understands that I’m talking about ‘It’
more than One Old Man in the Sky.”
Lennon  came  to  hold  the  view  that  a  personii ed God was a defense
mechanism of the human brain confronted by the stresses of life. In his
song  “God,”  he  concisely  expresses  this  point  of  view  with  an  aphorism:
“God is a concept by which we measure our pain.”
The song, written when he was turning thirty, could be considered Lennon’s declaration of independence. At er beginning with the aphorism, he offers a litany of subjects in which he declares he does not believe, among them Jesus, Buddha, the Bible, and the Bhagavad Gita. He also includes
Kennedy, Elvis, and Zimmerman (Bob Dylan) in the list, and culminates
with the Beatles. His objective is quite straightforward: to stand alone
intellectually—rejecting all belief systems and all idols, even the idol he
had helped to create and to which he owed his power and influence

From page 47

He tried to use the tool to good ef ect, consciously propagating a message of peace and love; but while his ego undoubtedly savored the experience  of  being  a  deity,  he  grew  increasingly  dissatisi ed in the role.

[serban_p]

Hi Rad, everybody,

I wanted to share some thoughts as to what may be a possible background for John Lennon coming into the lifetime we are discussing here.

With Pluto in the 4th house, he has been learning lessons of authentic internal security, i.e. security that is not dependent upon any external factors and he has been learning these lessons by experiencing the disillusionment (SN in the 12th) that occurs when one’s self-image depends on such external factors and these prove sooner or later to be insufficient and/or inadequate as far a genuine sense of security is concerned.

This disillusionment might have subsequently lead to feelings of anger and a decision on his part that primary allegiance should be with himself (SN in Aries). This would translate into a forceful approach to life correlated with a desire for total freedom to experience whatever is considered necessary for the purpose of effecting the self-discovery (SN in Aries, also Pluto/Venus-New Phase) required by the on-going process of developing internal security (Pluto in the 4th).

However, this dynamic may have resulted in repeated crises involving people with whom the Soul has been engaged in close relationships (SN ruler in Libra in the 6th, also Venus in Virgo) especially as he may have failed to recognize that the negative feedback he received was generated by his own approach to relationships and may have instead believed that it was caused by other people feeling intimated by his uniqueness and specialness (Pluto in Leo and Venus in the 5th correlated with the assertiveness of the Aries SN and the predisposition of clinging to illusions symbolized by the 12th house SN). These crises were nevertheless necessary in order for him to experience the limitations of such an excessively egocentric approach to relationships, reinforcing the sense of disillusionment (SN in the 12th) and triggering a process of internalization and reflection (Pluto/Mars-Crescent Phase).

With Mars/Venus in a Balsamic Phase, this may suggest that this process is culminating, reinforcing also the feeling of disillusionment, or, in other words, a feeling of “divine discontent” which is meant to propel him into a new cycle.

With the Moon in a Gibbous opposition to Pluto (within less than 1 degree from a Full Phase opposition) this may mean that the crises involving relationships, along with the internalization reflected by his Pluto/Mars-Crescent Phase have almost induced the necessary humility and awareness that are required in order for the self-image developed up to this point as part of the on-going process symbolized by Pluto in the 4th to be given a socialized context/framework so that the process may continue. However, this is still work in progress and this transition into the Full Phase can only be achieved if the Soul is willing to do the work required in order to complete the current Gibbous Phase.

Finally, I wanted to add that I realize that my post only addresses the evolutionary past of the Soul and does not address the evolutionary intentions for this Soul coming into the last lifetime as John Lennon, but this is due to certain time constraints and I apologize for that.

All the best,

Serban

[Rad]

Hi Serban and all,

 Thanks for making that effort Serban. For the purposes of this thread we need to at first focus on what I had previously wrote which is this.

In order to understand his Soul's needs and orientation to relationships with others in general, and intimate one's specifically, we need to really focus on his 4th House Pluto conjunct his Chiron and Vesta which is in opposition to his Moon in Aquarius. Both are square in Mercury in Scorpio in the 7th, and that Mercury is in opposition to his Saturn/Jupiter conjunction in his 1st. They in turn square in Pluto and Chiron as well as the Moon in Aquarius in the 10th. In essence, a grand fixed cross. These symbols correlate with the complexity of his emotional dynamics that in total correlate to the causative factors in his choices with whom to become involved with intimately, as well as with those whom to allow in his life by way of friends or others in general. His Pluto/Chiron/Vesta conjunction is trine his S.Node in Aries in the 12th, sextile the N.Node in Libra in the 6th. The ruler of the S.Node is conjunct the N.Node.

One of the symbols to focus on within this is the fact that his natal Pluto/Chiron is also conjunct his natal Vesta and the N.Node of Vesta. His S.Node of Vesta is in Sagittarius in his 9th. His S.Node of Vesta is ruled by that Saturn/Jupiter conjunction in his 1st which is part of the Fixed Grand Cross.

So let's see if we can unravel and understand the nature of his emotional dynamics that have come with him into the current life: where they came from and why, and how they become the basis of the inner causes within him that determine his choices for the types of relationships that he formed in his life.

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These symbols mean that this Soul has experienced emotional trauma as a child in which the nature of the trauma's have become displaced. The displaced emotions of childhood become rooted into the subconscious structure of the Soul progressively as it becomes an adult. These displaced emotions as an adult then become the causative determinants in the choices that the Soul makes in terms of intimate others that the Soul is orientated too. As a result, the emotional dynamics of John are very much childlike even as an adult.

So the  issue then becomes what have been the nature of those traumas as a child, and why did the Soul of John create those types of traumas in the first place. This is the Pluto bottom line in this chart. If we can understand this bottom line then it will serve as the basis of understanding the rest of his chart in general, and his orientation to relationships: intimate and otherwise. Let's see if we can then understand the nature of those traumas, the reasons for them, and how the displacement of those emotions manifest in his adult life by way of forming relationships with others.

God Bless, Rad

[ari moshe]

Hi Rad, all. Here's my understanding of the core evolutionary dynamics of this soul.

This soul has incarnated many times into a society/culture through which he has experienced persecution and abandonment linked to that. He has been very aware of his inner sense of being different and has felt in the past a special calling and purpose to radicalize his existence appropriately.

The nature of this purpose has been peace activism. Aries in the 12th, Mars conj nn in Libra in the 6th in a new phase conjunction with Neptune. This clearly points to a soul that has done this work in the past. 6th house emphasis with Neptune in Virgo points to a soul that has been highly critical of himself relative to the work that he was here to do and has felt an inner sense of lack, or not being good enough/ready enough to do that work.

He has been somehow in the scene of fame in recent lives. This is again linked to the Mars Neptune new phase with the sn itself in Aries in the 12th. There are layers of meaning in this - one of which having fought and possibly died for a cause. Possibly his life ending early. This has created a natural inner anxiety in the soul. The ruler of Mars and the north node is Venus in Virgo in the 5th: meticulous and patient in cultivating his self expression. Also points to an inner value system that is highly attuned to his own deficiencies. Where does all of this come from? What has the bottom line for this soul been, and what has lead to this life of John?

We go to the bottom line, Pluto. The soul's evolutionary journey has been focused around emotional security; understanding the basis for his own emotional needs, his own self image and experiencing various forms of abandonment and displaced emotions into adulthood as a result of that. The core of this has been trauma and excommunication linked to his own family and society. 4th house ruled by the Moon in Aquarius in the 10th in opposition to Chiron Pluto. He has been a part of communities that were alternative in nature and has experienced a loss of home through the persecution to these communities. Within the context of these communities he was an activist who became ever more angry and radicalized as well as ever more paranoid. The ruler of the 10th house is Uranus in Taurus in the second house - has learned to be a group of one when necessary and has developed a value system that is entirely right for him that and in particular the first house Taurus planets squaring Pluto and the sn in Aries in the 12th points to the stubborn isolation and solitude of this soul in the face of deeper unmet emotional needs.

The questions around who to trust and who not to trust were deep for this soul based on having experienced such immense emotional trauma in his past. Thus the Cardinal t-square which points to the intent for direction and action, has also been tinged with insecurity, paranoia and selectiveness around his relationships. With Mercury in Scorpio in the 7th squaring Pluto in the 4th, he has become naturally distrustful and perceptve of other people's motives and intentions.

For this soul, relationally, the intent has been to form relationship with other people who are just like himself; in so doing they can reflect a deep acceptance and security for the soul to feel what he feels- most of which would be immensely overwhelming and intangible to most people. So someone who is tuned in on that level. With this partner he can reflect on his own psychology and safely heal old wounds.

Vesta conjunct Pluto with its south node in Sag in the 9th, and the nn of Venus conjunct Pluto itself corresponds to a soul that at some point has been taken from his family, or separated from his family and was sexually abused or used. Or perhaps sexually abused and used (like for some sort of distorted religious sacrament or something) by his own parents. This points to a desire to heal the sexual wounds of his past and according to his awareness of these psychological dynamics also attracting appropriate relationships. One psychological dynamic in this would be anger and guilt based on the patriarchal distortions about the body, women and sexuality. Perhaps he has experienced this as a women, having been sold into some sort of "priestess" slavery. With the nn of Vesta on Pluto, this points to the emphasis in this life in healing the emotional wounds by way of creating a home life for himself that will enable that. This is one facet of Pluto; on the level of "empowerment". The Pluto polarity point of course, especially being conjunct the Moon in the 10th in Aquarius, enforces that he cannot isolate himself from the social scene, that he is ever a part of a society and has to actively participate in that. This has created a perpetual tension in this soul.

The evolutionary potential and purpose for the soul in this life has been to find that balance- to do the personal works on healing his own inner wounds by way of the appropriate relationship and at the same time showing up to offer the gifts that he has as an artist as a peace activist. It's the balance between inner and outer (4th 10th), taking into account the entire cardinal houses, facilitated by continually focusing on how to make manifest his dreams and transcendent cause (12th 6th). All focused ultimately on Venus in the 5th in Virgo which is also conjunct it's north node implying strong previous life development in that area.
Ari Moshe