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« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2009, 06:06 PM »

found another avatar with a planet squaring the nodes:
Amma!

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?wgid=wgeJw1TsEKwyAU-5rd3kAtXXHyDjuNnQfb-bW-qbRKqXalfz97GLkkJCTZwhhQGReRpEkWbzHS4APAB1QHGqRuGxD6KgX4lhsBbs0g4EXTFIaRvis8kg0E3YUbCTrV3Fr9CkO2TxT5X3loS4VRdSclnjwXjj0vlR8bZqLk0Jm-7HP9E4tHKpvxecezNEtG-b7_AJV3NU4

saturn in libra in the 12th squaring leo aquarius nodes. it's amazing how PIVOTAL the planets that sqares the nodes are in a persons life... especially when that planet is actually realized.
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« Reply #31 on: Jun 02, 2009, 09:14 PM »

Hey Ari!  This forum is great!  The more EA message boards, the better...  As if I don't already spend enough time on the computer. Roll Eyes

I hope you guys don't mind if I post!  I'm unfortunately joining right as this mars/nodes is T-squaring my natal saturn/mars square!  Oh well!  I'll try to be nice...


U might already know my personal interpretation of planets squaring the nodes.  I personally don't feel that they necessarily need to symbolize a step that was skipped, quite the contrary.  However, the "skipped step" situation will make sense in many situations.  As well, in a more dharmic sense perhaps, the planet squaring the nodes will truly be THE area where the person shines...

The reason for this, is basically because planets squaring the nodes are destined to receive an obscene amount of attention.  lol


The reason for this I suppose, astrologically, is because as you know, the lunar nodes are basically two points where the moon's orbit crosses the ecliptic.  As such, the two points SQUARING the nodes (heretofore unnamed to my knowledge) are the two points where the Sun and Moon's perceived orbit are furthest apart!


Soo, just as the nodes astrologically represent our orientation to our spiritual origin and spiritual destination (south and north nodes respectively), the points squaring the nodes symbolize the polarization of spirit into matter...  Basically an area of fervent kinetic manifestation! *yawn* 

The person is just basically charged to always manifest this planet moment-to-moment.



Just to add to the Capricorn/Cancer discussion, which was very nice by the way... a very simple way to think of Capricorn, I think, is just the inversion of Cancer, in an impersonal way.


It is about the way in which we handle our own emotions when confronted by, a sea basically, of mammalian emotion.  Haaa.  Its about how we handle other people's emotions... which we can relate to (cancer) but which are subject to a different (yet similar) origin and timing and whatnot.

For instance, we repress and shape/present our emotions everyday for the good of the community.  This is basic Capricorn!  For instance, if I'm blue and I decide to see a movie or something, I'm not going to sit in the back row and cry my ass off, even though I might really feel like it.  This is why Capricorn is awesome.

For instance, I'm going to respect your emotions, if your in a bad mood because you just got laid off or drank a bad smoothie or something and I'm going to repress the way I feel cause I just got a huge raise and ate a dewy cantaloupe.

Its all about dealing with other people's emotions quite simply.



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« Reply #32 on: Jun 04, 2009, 11:29 AM »

hello..

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"U might already know my personal interpretation of planets squaring the nodes.  I personally don't feel that they necessarily need to symbolize a step that was skipped, quite the contrary.  However, the "skipped step" situation will make sense in many situations.  As well, in a more dharmic sense perhaps, the planet squaring the nodes will truly be THE area where the person shines..."

The reason that the skipped step may be an area as you say, 'where that Soul shines', and I emphasize the word 'MAY',  because the very nature of the skipped step reflects that a Soul has been stuck there, perhaps out of fear, or due to certain choices that have had certain repercussions such as themes of compensation. There are individual reasons for that  skipped step. Whatever planet that is squaring the nodal axis is literally under a microscope. There is no way to escape that focus. Any time a transiting planet moves into an angle of stress to that planet, it will also put stress on the nodes as well, forcing the Soul off the fence, either forward or back. SO yes of course when the Soul has the courage to really GO FOR IT, finally making choices that reflect progress, then of course the Soul will attract circumstances that allow one to naturally shine. That is how the universe works. It supports the natural path. But I know of no one whose path has been light relative to that planet making the square. The rewards are yes immense when the Soul tackles that tripping point but it does not come free.

As in Amma's case, Ari mentioned her above as an 'avatar' who has Saturn squaring the nodes. Her early life was not easy. People thought she was crazy. She would sit and meditate for hours and people literally thought there was something wrong with her. She received harsh judgements - Saturn. For a little girl that was not easy. SO yes she SHINES, but that did not come without some early hard hits. That also does not come without her heart bleeding and compassion for the suffering of the world. She carries the weight of the world in her heart. Saturn sq the nodes, SN Leo. Watch the movie DARSHAN and tell me that woman does not feel her Saturn square her nodes every minute of every day. Amma has some strong trines i.e. the ruler of her south node in Leo is the Sun. This trines her Moon and her North Node in Aquarius. which allows for an ease of integration of her Soul's purpose which is to lead the consensus back to a relationship (Saturn in Libra) with the natural God. To remember that God is naturally male and female.. Consensus is Saturn, squaring her nodes. To help people liberate from their own conditioning about the judging God. She embodies unconditional love and compassion. God in the female form.

The EA paradigm stands on its own. The concept of a planet squaring the nodes and it reflecting a Soul skipping steps has been taught and validated for over 30 years, not to mention the 30,000 readings that Jeff Green gave during his career,  a large percentage of those clients had this signature. The views expressed in Dusty's email re: planets squaring the nodes skipped steps does not represent the paradigm of EA as taught on this message board and in Jeffrey Wolf Green's writings and teachings. That is what this board is for, to discuss the actual teachings of EA. Dusty, you are of course entitled to your views but wanting to clarify for the sake of new students who may read his post in the future.

Graduate of EA and past life regression therapist Patricia Walsh is coming out with a book this summer that demonstrates the correlation between skipped steps in the chart as described in the EA paradigm and the ACTUAL past life regression experiences of 1000's of clients. You can read more about her work at www.healthepast.com. This book further confirms the EA of paradigm of skipped steps through the actual lives of people.

Peace,
Kristin
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« Reply #33 on: Jun 04, 2009, 05:25 PM »

Oops!  Yea, I did sort of realize that this might not be the appropriate place to post alternate information after I read some of the discussions, they are very focused.  I do apologize.  Simply for the sake of clarifying what I meant though:

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The reason that the skipped step may be an area as you say, 'where that Soul shines', and I emphasize the word 'MAY',  because the very nature of the skipped step reflects that a Soul has been stuck there...Whatever planet that is squaring the nodal axis is literally under a microscope. There is no way to escape that focus. Any time a transiting planet moves into an angle of stress to that planet, it will also put stress on the nodes as well, forcing the Soul off the fence, either forward or back.

I do understand that the planet squaring the nodes can represent areas that are quite problematic, stifling, and "on the fence" so to speak.  A reason that I gave for this metaphysically, is because the points squaring the nodes are the points where the sun and moon are furthest from each other in their respective orbits.  These points truly represent a polarization of the initial principle which started at the South Node (Source/origins) and ends at the North Node (Destination/source).  In a nutshell, creation, maya.

Now I understand that you feel that this squaring point is karmically a crucible, and I agree, however what I originally stated was that DHARMICALLY this point takes on a much more creative edge...

As you have said, this planet is "under a microscope."  I couldn't agree more.  In fact, this planet is at such a potent position, that whether you are looking under a microscope, or making progress in life forward or backward, the person with the planet squaring the nodes is ALWAYS going to be manifesting that planet moment to moment.  Now-Now-Now etc.  There is no way out of this in the person's lifetime whether they have taken this issue to god and truly integrated it or not...

The planet squaring the node ALWAYS has this powerful manifestation principle.  It is also always something that must be taken to god!

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it will also put stress on the nodes as well, forcing the Soul off the fence, either forward or back.

Being "on the fence" and "skipping a step" are two completely different things.  Being on the fence implies stasis, skipping a step implies that you've deliberately shunted something necessary out of fear or opportunism.  What I think happens is that many people KARMICALLY are "on the fence,"  because they have skipped a necessary step, and now life has taken them to a place where they have no choice but to retrace their steps and do the unwanted thing.

BUT, do boddhisatva's get stuck?  Because that was sort of the original question that I was answering.  I feel that they do get stuck, but WILLFULLY out of service, not necessarily because they fucked something up. And WILL=CREATE.  They have already done all the steps, that is why they are boddhisatvas!!

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But I know of no one whose path has been light relative to that planet making the square. The rewards are yes immense when the Soul tackles that tripping point but it does not come free.

100% agreed, nothing good here comes unless with serious dedication to love and serious disillusionment.  This applies to pretty much everything, any light a person has...

Let me give some quick examples of the planet squaring the nodes SHINING creatively!

Da Vinci: had his North Node in capricorn/1st (art), ruler Saturn squaring the nodes, conjunct neptune in libra/10, opposing mercury in aries.  All three of these planets are squaring the nodes...  We have Mercury in Aries/4th (Invention, artistic renderings) and saturn (here, mastery of form) conjunct Neptune (truly immortalized in the masses) in the 10th house.  Da Vinci-by popular consensus only wasn't quite "on the fence" with these planets.  He shines, and creates a monumental volume of work regarding them!


Bach:  The reason I mention Bach, was because the guy created a ridiculous amount of work...  He had Sun in Aries/12th squaring NN in cancer/3rd SN in capricorn/9th.  okay, we all know this guy wasn't on the fence about having kids (Sun), in fact quite the contrary, extremely fertile and extremely productive.  Many of us have recognised neptune/aries/venus prominence in musical talent!  Experts generally recognise his musical contributions as being the penultimate (sun in aries/12th) in baroque style. He also had the mercury/venus in 12th (intricate, gorgeous musical compositions).  He literally would never stop creating, this is why I included him.


Ron Jeremy:  I thought I'd take this down a consciousness level or two (j/k) so you could see that this principle even operates in karmic situations.  He is considered the "Hardest Working Man in the Business," by many.  His North node is in aquarius/1st conjunct moon, and is squared by Jupiter in taurus/3rd.
Now, he also has this mars/venus conjunction in aries/taurus opposing neptune in 8th which gives him the porn appeal/career I suppose despite looking rather Mole-y.  But what some of us might not know, is that he is extremely multifaceted (jupiter in 3rd) has tackled his masters degree (jupiter), and is a writer and artist.  You might also not knowthat he achieved his fame by being the best "woodsman" in the business.  Meaning he can literally control his orgasm, come on command to be exact.  His sexual staying power, his steadfast, overwhelming and multifaceted work ethic, his famous dick, ALL of that is intensely Jupiter in taurus/3rd sqquare the nodes.


God, I have a lot of time on my hands, but I actually just picked these three charts at random, looking for this square.  This principle works, bottom line.
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« Reply #34 on: Jun 05, 2009, 12:56 PM »

found another avatar with a planet squaring the nodes:
Amma!

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?wgid=wgeJw1TsEKwyAU-5rd3kAtXXHyDjuNnQfb-bW-qbRKqXalfz97GLkkJCTZwhhQGReRpEkWbzHS4APAB1QHGqRuGxD6KgX4lhsBbs0g4EXTFIaRvis8kg0E3YUbCTrV3Fr9CkO2TxT5X3loS4VRdSclnjwXjj0vlR8bZqLk0Jm-7HP9E4tHKpvxecezNEtG-b7_AJV3NU4

saturn in libra in the 12th squaring leo aquarius nodes. it's amazing how PIVOTAL the planets that sqares the nodes are in a persons life... especially when that planet is actually realized.

Hi Ari,
  Yet another example is the great Ramakrishna .... his Uranus squaring his S.Node in Scorpio , N.Node Taurus ....


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« Reply #35 on: Jun 05, 2009, 01:15 PM »

Dusty

Excuse me for addressing you directly in this way.  

It is clear to me after reading your comments that you are not familiar with the Evolutionary Astrology paradigm as taught by Jeffrey Wolf Green in his books, workshops, and lectures.  

This message board is a place where students and others wanting to learn about the principles of Evolutionary Astrology, as originally taught by Jeffrey,  can come and ask questions about the Evolutionary Astrology paradigm we practice here.   This is not a general purpose astrology message board, and it is not even a general EA message board.  It represents one specific approach to EA, and that is its reason for being.

In your first post you made it clear you disagree with one of our EA's core principles, that planets squaring the nodes are skipped steps, 100% of the time.   So far you have not asked a single question, rather have several times gone on expressing your own perspectives.  You have mentioned several times places where you do not agree with some of the way we look at things.

You are certainly entitled to your perspectives, but it is not appropriate for you to answer questions asked by people who have come here to learn about a paradigm that you don't fully agree with.  Because of the nature of this message board, it is a given that people asking questions here already are in alignment with, or at least attracted to, the paradigm we practice. Thus answers that explain where, in your opinion, the paradigm they are asking about is not complete, or is incorrect in some way, are just not appropriate here. There are plenty of places on the web to discuss the pros and cons and truths and untruths of various orientations to astrology.  This is not one of them.
 
In your response to Kristin you expressed a definition of skipped steps as you understand them, and told her why this view of skipped steps is not always correct.  The problem is, your definition of skipped steps is not at all how skipped steps are defined in the Pluto Vol 1 and Vol 2 EA books.  Thus, you are misunderstanding a concept and then giving your opinion of where the misunderstood concept is not correct, when no one here ever defined skipped steps in the way you say is incorrect in the first place.  

It would be respectful to those here if you familiarized yourself with the EA perspectives we practice before telling us where you think they are incomplete.  

I suggest that you read the articles on our website about the core EA principles of Evolution, Soul, Ego, etc.   If after reading you don't resonate with this approach, I am suggesting this board is not going to be an appropriate place for you to spend time on, because we simply are not going to have discussions here about whether our take on EA is right or wrong.  That is not what this board is for.

On the other hand, if after learning more about it, you find you resonate with our approach and wish to learn more about it, you are quite welcome to participate.  
Thank you
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« Reply #36 on: Jun 05, 2009, 01:30 PM »

To Dusty,

 You are certainly free to disagree with the paradigm of Evolutionary Astrology as taught by Jeffrey Wolf Green. As Steve pointed out this is a place for students and others who are truly interested in understanding this paradigm, and applying it to themselves and/or their clients. It has a long, long track record now spanning over thirty years, and literally tens of thousands of clients. You may wish to consider that its validity is not dependent on whether you agree or disagree with it. If you disagree with it that's fine. But, as Steve pointed out, that disagreement should be expressed elsewhere.

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« Reply #37 on: Jun 05, 2009, 07:27 PM »

Steve, I am very familiar with the works of JWG, I've read his books, I've done a bit of homework myself. Wink

I was addressing Ari, who is someone I know and as well, have helped him with several clients.

I do understand that this message board is focused, and the part was very much addressed that this is ALTERNATE INFORMATION.

However with that part stressed and out of the way, I was given a thorough response to my original post and interpreted that as creating some space for discussion, not to mislead any potential students.  Was I wrong?

The ideas and technique interpreted and shared through JWG I have immense respect for and in all honesty, was THE set of teachings that appealed to me at that turning point in my life.

However, there is a way of looking at things, where in this particular way, JWG material is PERFECT, yet it also tends to be ALWAYS DEEP.  Everything is a crucible!  That is fine and true, however there is more truth out there...

All legs of astrology will share truth, none of them own it.  Medieval, Jyotish, Mundane.  JWG material may be awesomely awesome, yet there is obviously a huge resistance to anything that JWG didn't/hasn't said.  Which I find appropriate for this forum, but don't really understand in the light of us having already discussed that this was an exception!


That said, if there is further room for discussion, I would ask anyone to provide a chart of someone WELL-KNOWN, where the planet squaring the node acted merely as a crucible, and was not FERVENTLY ACTED UPON in their particular incarnation...

This was my only original point!  Which really has yet to be addressed...  If there is no room for response, than don't respond, tell me theres no space, whatever!  I can handle it. Tongue
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« Reply #38 on: Jun 05, 2009, 11:08 PM »

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The ideas and technique interpreted and shared through JWG I have immense respect for and in all honesty, was THE set of teachings that appealed to me at that turning point in my life.

All I can say, after reading what you wrote prior to this post and what you are now saying in response to my post, is there is a lot of depth in the work of JWG that, from my perspective, you so far have missed.  That is not said as judgment or criticism but as observation, from inner personal experiences in my own life.

EA is not ideas that JWG dreamed up.  They are timeless, multi-tens-of-thousands year old metaphysical principles of the evolutionary journey of the soul, applied to the metaphor of astrology. 

Each time you write another post you demonstrate again the gap between what you believe you understand about EA and what you don't actually understand about EA.  All anyone here has been trying to communicate to you are insights that might deepen the way you look at things.  Yet because you believe you already understand truth beyond what people here are saying, you have not taken in what has been offered, just as you evidently did not take in a lot of what I wrote to you earlier.

You were told by two people that we are not going to debate the principles of EA here, and even after that you come back with
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That said, if there is further room for discussion, I would ask anyone to provide a chart of someone WELL-KNOWN, where the planet squaring the node acted merely as a crucible, and was not FERVENTLY ACTED UPON in their particular incarnation...
"not going to debate the principles of EA here" means the answer to "if there is further room for discussion" is "no, there isn't"

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... us having already discussed that this was an exception! ...
nowhere in any of these posts did I read anyone saying this is any sort of exception.  You came to that on your own.

We are not going to compare the virtues of your paradigm vs. the EA JWG paradigm.  If your astrology approach works well for you, it makes complete sense for you to stay with it.  Just as EA works well for me and I stay with it.  That is all I have to say on this topic.
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« Reply #39 on: Jun 06, 2009, 08:29 AM »

Dusty,

You were told by two people that we are not going to debate the principles of EA here, and even after that you come back with
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That said, if there is further room for discussion, I would ask anyone to provide a chart of someone WELL-KNOWN, where the planet squaring the node acted merely as a crucible, and was not FERVENTLY ACTED UPON in their particular incarnation...
"not going to debate the principles of EA here" means the answer to "if there is further room for discussion" is "no, there isn't"

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... us having already discussed that this was an exception! ...
nowhere in any of these posts did I read anyone saying this is any sort of exception.  You came to that on your own.

We are not going to compare the virtues of your paradigm vs. the EA JWG paradigm.  If your astrology approach works well for you, it makes complete sense for you to stay with it.  Just as EA works well for me and I stay with it.  That is all I have to say on this topic.
respectfully,
Steve

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 What you are doing here is to try to insert, project, and establish you own  sense of personal authority. Thus, in order to do this, you find a way of undermining some existing dynamic, i.e. the nodal axis and skipped steps, and then project your own authority through some kind of 'alternative information'. Even when pointed out to you you insist on doing this anyway. I think you said you have a Mars/Saturn square: "I hope you guys don't mind if I post!  I'm unfortunately joining right as this mars/nodes is T-squaring my natal saturn/mars square!  Oh well!  I'll try to be nice...".......... You are certainly living it. It just needs to be lived somewhere other than this EA message board.

 Rad
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« Reply #40 on: Jun 06, 2009, 09:55 AM »

Dusty,

I’d like to add something to what Steve and Rad have said, and in respect, specifically to your following quote:

“However, there is a way of looking at things, where in this particular way, JWG material is PERFECT, yet it also tends to be ALWAYS DEEP.  Everything is a crucible!  That is fine and true, however there is more truth out there...

All legs of astrology will share truth, none of them own it.  Medieval, Jyotish, Mundane.  JWG material may be awesomely awesome, yet there is obviously a huge resistance to anything that JWG didn't/hasn't said.”

Yes, indeed, the paradigm of EA IS deep. As Steve pointed out, the principles of EA are timeless metaphysical principles. If you are familiar with the Bhagavad Gita—especially Yogananda’s translation and interpretation of it—you’ll know that the EA paradigm itself, down to every little detail, is rooted in and reflective OF the Gita.

As far as “a huge resistance to anything that JWG didn’t/hasn’t said,” that’s like trying to mix apples and oranges. As had been pointed out, it is a system in and of itself, self-contained. No one said there aren’t other systems, other kinds of astrology, only that we can’t apply the principles of one kind of astrology to another. To me, the point you’re trying to argue would be like an evolutionary astrologer going to a forum for Vedic astrologers and telling them that some of the “rules,” some of the principles of their system are wrong because they’re not found in EA.

 Each is valid in its own right. There are basic principles within ANY kind of system, any kind of subject, whether it’s astrology, literature, philosophy, etc. SOME principles will overlap and others won’t, and that’s perfectly all right. We just can’t take ALL the principles from another system – or even certain, specific principles - and try to overlay them, inject them into, another system. It’s really that simple.

And if you want to LEARN how the principles of EA work, then I know your questions would be welcome.
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« Reply #41 on: Jun 06, 2009, 10:21 AM »

Hi Dusty,

It appears to me you misunderstood the BOTTOMLINE regarding the phenomena of "skipped steps" . The bottomline is always very very DEEP,  soul deep. This is what JWG understood in essence he also understood WHY that is the case.

If I understand you right, you saying that things are enough being looked at only at the surface. Of course they can be. Funny thing is that, IF one looks at the surface THOROUGH enough, it will lead to everything that is under the surface.... There is nothing wrong with the surface, what can be wrong is just a VIEW that looks at the surface too SUPERFICIALLY. Which has nothing to do with the surface itself it has to do with the VIEW. Or rather say the "viewer".
Because truth is that the surface of anything is totally intact and ONE with the very THING that the surface is the surface of....i.e. what's happening on the surface will always lead to the reasons in the depth. It is ONE AND THE SAME.

As for the skipped step as a phenomena of which you listed some things you observed on the surface (the surface of life from the point of view of your own, where you observe this surface) The problem I see in your observation is just that you don't seem to realise your own limitation, i.e. the limitation is in the point of view itself.

Let me point the following: the bottomlines of the skipped steps are:

1) THERE IS TWO OPPOSING FORCES ARE IN OPERATION relative to the nodes and relative to the planet, or whatever body that squares the nodes. The affect of these two squares the two opposing forces are FELT IN THE PERSON'S CONSCIOUSNESS IN EACH AND EVERY MOMENT.

2) The square as such has two different application: one is what called "crisis in action" the other one is "crisis in consciousness". When we are talking about a skipped step BOTH square nature is in OPERATION AT THE SAME TIME RELATIVE TO THE SOUL. One square is trying to force action; the other is trying force change in consciousness. They impact on each other EVERY MOMENT.  In other words, almost everything the person does or want to do will be UNDERLINED with OPPOSING forces, so there will be a  YES and a  NO in their consciousness AT THE VERY SAME TIME. The resulting inner confusion, between the opposing forces the self questioning and the gas and the break APPLIED FROM DEEP WITHIN IN CONSCIOUSNESS creates an incredible TENSION in consciousness. That's the NATURE OF THE SKIPPED STEP. That's what consciousness is experiencing in essence.

3) IT IS BECAUSE of this tremendous pull/push this phenomenon creates it can NOT lead anywhere meaningful UNTIL THERE IS A RESOLUTION. The resolution is symbolically speaking the "timing" or "right order" TO APPLY THE FORCES OF THE TWO DIFFERENT NATURE SQUARES AND THAT IS WHAT JWG REALISED AND WHAT HE OFFERS AS A SOLUTION TO RESOLVE THIS TENSION AND ARRIVE TO RIGHT ACTION AFTER A PERIOD OF STAGNATION. For it is stagnation simply by the laws of nature: what's happening when you use the break and the gas at the same time with EQUAL FORCES? It is simply a natural truth which does not need proof, other then itself. Anything that is naturally true proves itself by simply itself. AS long as the skipped step is NOT resolved it causes stagnation relative to the squaring body or bodies of the nodes.
 

3) Your bottomline misunderstanding is that: NO ONE AND CERTAINLY NOT JWG EVER SAID THAT THIS PHENOMENA CANNOT BE RESOLVED AND WILL NOT RESULT IN THE RELEASE OF THE CREATIVE SELF ACTUALISING FORCE IN THE SOUL ONCE THE SKIPPED STEP HAS BEEN RESOLVED.  Right the contrary he said and HIS OWN LIFE PROVES IT BEST, (as he himself has a skipped step!) that once the skipped step is resolved the soul will be able to RELEASE ALL THE GIFTS ALL ITS INNER POTENTIAL THAT HAS BEEN BLOCKED DURING THE STAGNATION PERIOD. It is indeed one of the most creative process for the soul usually for a long time was NOT able to do that, WAS NOT ABLE TO RELEASE THE GIFTS FROM WITHIN, was not able to actualise the purpose of its soul, so it was stuck within. Imagine a bag that is full of gifts that's the soul is ready to give but then the opening of the bag is being stuck it can't be opened. Inside the bag the growth is still happening, but the soul can not ACTUALISE IT RELEASE IT because the relative karmic and evolutionary requirements are not in place something messed up. In other words the soul can't get there when it can not release and give what it has. It can not get there to actualise itself according to what the soul (and god) intended for that soul. So the experience is frustration, stagnation and inner tension that GROWS. And yet, once the skipped step being resolved it will indeed lead to the RELEASE it's like a FLOODING fruition of all the potential the soul has and HAD but was not able to actualise it in the past.  

4) Sorry to say that but it seems to me you can't see the wood for the trees. You are arguing it can lead to creativity, and yet NO ONE SAID IT CAN NOT:-)  What you seem to fundamentally missing is the actual point the DEEP POINT the connection of the facts: what JWG said and taught is that the soul can not release the whatever gift/potential they have UNTIL THE SKIPPED STEP ISN’T RESOLVED. And that WHILE it is in the period of stagnation before it is able to resolve the issue it is EXTREMELY PAINFUL and CONFUSING. His intent is to help those who didn't get there yet, to resolve and be able to release their gift. For there are many....Those are the one who need help and he offers the most brilliant way of helping them via understanding themselves from the deepest point of view, the soul itself. Then comes you and saying something totally disconnected to the issue itself and say something outrageously laughable because you observed a few famous people who in one way or another resolved their dilemma and was able to flood out their whatever potential...... What can I say....? Congratulation......  You deserve a  price for that observation :-))  You got the head of the elephant and you are arguing that JWG got it wrong saying the WHOLE ELEPHANT is the same thing...it needs to be understood from tale to head in order to really see what are we dealing with....... That's a huge difference, and I can only repeat what Steve said: please look into your own understanding and resolve the skipped step in your OWN understanding: i.e. you are arriving to a 'conclusion' based on fundamentally missing the connection the underlying LAW what the skipped step is actually based on. It will indeed lead to some form of creativity AT THE END when the skipped step resolved. So you are listing here some relatively famous people, who in one way or another became famous AFTER they resolved their stagnation period. And you seemingly have no awareness or understanding what MAY LEAD to that point what these souls would have to GO THROUGH in order to get there. And this is what JWG is teaching and offers a consciously embraceable way to get there. Which means the struggle, the stagnation period can be shortened for the souls WHO ARE NOT THERE YET. They are in the period of inner confusion and inner struggle. And believe me their number is far bigger than those who were able to resolve it. But you would not find their names in any encyclopaedia which then of course LIMIT your observation.....look around with a broader view...you'll find the facts.....which can remove the limitation of your point of view where you are observing a little segment of the "surface'...that segment isn't the "facts" that's just a TINY FRACTION of the actual facts....  


5) To prove this point you need to stop looking at only the so called "successful" people's chart and need to do AN OBJECTIVE RESEARCH. Ordinary people, not the famous just people who typically struggle and seemingly get nowhere in life. Look at their chart in large numbers and than you will see the missing part the unseen part of the phenomena that JWG is talking about in this regard.
Problem I see is that you draw conclusions before you know the FULL EXTENT OF THE FACTS EVEN ON THE SURFACE LEVEL. Then you think it is a result of thinking "differently". Well, in my view it is a result of thinking/interpreting the surface events of life superficially...sorry to say that.  

6) Two examples of what happens during the painful period of stagnation SO BEFORE result ion is reached, happens to be on this MB. One is the person Ari was talking about within this topic, (can you not see the person is yet in the STAGNATION period?) and also Adina, who's chart we are discussing in the other topic. Just have a look; you can see it for yourself how great is the CREATIVE POTENTIAL in her chart. And yet, Adina's life (and past lives!) to date were typical to the STRUGGLE the stagnation period, not being able to resolve the skipped step and BECAUSE OF THAT not being able to fully release the gift, the creative potential the soul clearly has. Well of course this is the reason she is not on your "famous people" list with skipped steps. But I can guarantee you in the coming lives ahead THE SOUL WILL BE!! :-) That will be the result of all the struggles the soul had before.... As she is now in the process of resolving the skipped step resolving the reasons for the 'stagnation period'. Once that happens the stored up, unrealised and not actualised INNER POTENTIAL the stored up knowledge that has been blocked in this period will be ACTUALISED it will pour out of the soul. BUT ONLY AFTER the resolution has been consciously embraced in some fashion within consciousness and leading to freeing up the blocked potential.


7) Again, the problem is not within the phenomena, it is the point of view from where you observe it and draw conclusions based on that. THERE ISN'T AND NEVER WILL BE A FAMOUS PERSON WHO HAS NOT RESOLVED THE SKIPPED STEPS:-) FOR AS LONG AS THE SOUL IS SITTING ON THE FENCE IT WON'T BE FAMOUS:-) What may happened BEFORE they become 'famous' is the heart of the issues...and that's what you don't seem to understand at all...the very way of how you think 'show me a famous person who is sitting on the fence' sorry to say is laughable to me....

Anyhow, point is that EA offers a way of looking at and understanding things LIFE itself in the possible deepest way including tbut not exlusive to the phenomena of skipped steps. To understand the surface (of life) via embracing the "whys" for that surface..... We humans usually become interested in the deeper layers  when our "surface" don't work anymore.....
So again, the real list of skipped step souls will contain an extremely LARGE number of people, in the silence of the masses strugging within and a few very few people who were actually able to resolve the dilemma and so released the inner gift and became 'well known' AFTER the resolution happened......

EA is for those who want to and need to embrace the deeper answers about their lives ...most are those who struggle in the present and wish to find answers and healing for their pains and sruggles. And for those who r those who want to consciously DO something for their own evolution.


If you think that's "too deep"..... well what can I say? :-) Keep your famous people's list and maybe one day the NUMBER will occur to you how many souls are here on this planet and how many AREN'T well known and not famous.....maybe that day you will understand the INTENTION of JWG's soul-deep work...it was intended to help those who struggle and it never've been intended to argue with you or anyone.....it does not matter what others think....what matters is that, THOSE of us who perceive life as far FAR valuable than wasting it via living and perceiving it only in the shallows, looking at it superficially,those who want to dive into their own depth is what EA is really REALLY for.

Let me give you another example of what skipped step really mean: I happen to have one asteroid squaring my nodes. As for "sitting on the fence" not knowing if I am coming or going I can assure you this is what my soul IS DOING FOR AT LEAST TWO THOUSANDS YEARS. And by the way I know this for a fact it's not a notion, it is FROM DIRECT KNOWLEDGE, via direct experiences recollecting past lives way way back in time....Skipped steps are EXACTLY THAT sitting on the fence but sitting in PAIN AND CONFUSION NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S WRONG AND STRUGGLING IN EACH AND EVERY MOMENT becauase of that. Solution could not occur because the gas and break is operating in the same time which is horrendously exhausting to say the least:-)

Anyhow, of course I too wouldn't be in your famous people list for the last two thousand years.....why because it hasn't been resolved.  And as long as the soul is not able to resolve it the tension grows, the pain grows and the constant yes and no going on in consciousness, means one is cancelling the other and NO self actualisation can take place. Observe that from the shallow....you can't even see it, it won't be in your well known people's book:-)

Yet, once the skipped step is resolved all of a sudden out of the "blue" two thousand years of learning, unrealised and unmanifested inner gifts can pour out of the soul.....for me it is happening in this life, at this very time. And you know why it CAN happen? Because there is a person, called JWG who has given the world a gift of EA and it contains all the answers that my soul and many others needed which enables the soul to find its own answers and resolve the skipped step or the whatever dilemma they have within their soul......

So this is the "invisible" or the other side of the WHOLE reality behind the skipped steps notion that you are missing out on....

That's what JWG is teaching relative to skipped steps AMONGST MANY OTHER SOUL METAMORPHOSING WISDOM that he has given to the world via EA.

Please try to understand the fact that EVEN IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO FULLY UNDERSTAND IT, what it carries is far more than what you can observe in your famous people's book....JWG's soul is intending to give back the PURPOSE of the confused souls, not one but MANY (he has saturn in leo, the gift is for the whole global society with love from his heart to help them to actualise themselves via understanding their OWN soul ..his sat. is conj. to balsamic conj. to his pluto in the 9th....what more graphic it can be what his soul is intending? it is not for the famous, it is for the polarity point: the traumatised, the displaced, ostrichised, alienated and/or utterly confused souls who build up the MAJORITY of people/society in all countries in our times........to embrace and understand the DEPTH OF THE TRUTH OF WHO WE ARE AND WHY WE ARE HERE....  

AND GOD BLESS HIM FOR THAT  INVALUABLE GIFT!  GOD BLESS HIS SOUL FOR ALL THE WISDOM HE GAINED VIA HIS OWN SOUL’S STRUGGLES AND PASSED THE WISDOM ONTO US IN A STUCTURED, EASY TO EMBRACE AND APPLY WAY. THAT’S AN EXTRA GIFT VERY FEW IS ABLE TO GIVE! For understanding life in its depth is one thing but being able to TEACH it is another thing. He has it both, the understanding and the talent of teaching it in the right way. For it makes sense incredible sense for so so many...as your heard he had some 30 000 clients himself....well, if that made sense for that many mostly 'unfamous' people maybe you can see the point here; your own limitation is not his 'fault' if you can't grasp the essence of it....

The depth of his work may not be your cup of tea (at this point of time) but it is the cup that the majority is actualy thirsty for....

But saying such thing that JWG is "too deep" and you enjoy viewing just the surface....and then you argue about issues saying from that superficial surface point that what he says about a phenomena is not “right” for you seeing it differently via your "way" of looking at it.....well what can I say?:-) ...it is actually kind of funny to me:-) ....of course you don‘t see it as long as you don‘t bother to look at the WHOLE phenomena....but if you will bother to LOOK and check the real facts andnot just a tiny portion of it, I garantee you too will see it clearly ....

Anyhow,  I write this note in the hope that this conversation MAY at the end bring something constructive: those who don‘t understand the notion of skipped step this may provide some insight that can enhance their intuition, while for those who are learning through facts, this may point to the need of collecting and observing facts in a broader and more careful way so that the facts are not biased but reflect the actual BROAD reality of life itself.....for both leads to the same at the end...it is always the proverbial ‘elephant’ from tale to head......problem is only when we think one aspect or one part of it is the ‘whole lot’ ......missing the wood for the trees...


Blessings,

Lia
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« Reply #42 on: Jun 07, 2009, 10:17 AM »

To Those Who Have Been Following This Thread,

 After all of this the person named DustyBusty decided to post yet more of his stuff that is utterly inappropriate. After being warned in the ways that he was by myself, Lia, Steve, Kristin, and Adina, he persisted in vomiting his displaced sense of 'authority' here anyway. Thus, his posts have been deleted now, and he will be banned from this message board.

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« Reply #43 on: Jun 07, 2009, 11:11 AM »

Dusty

I don't enjoy having to be this direct, but in this case it is warranted.

You need to get over yourself and your belief in your own brilliance.  Reality is you are one tiny grain of sand on a vast beach, and what you know (as is true for all of us) is far outweighed by what you don't have the slightest clue about.  

You are one of the worst listeners I have encountered.  (No doubt you believe you are a great listener.)  You may in fact hear people's words, but you take them in barely at all, and only to the degree necessary for you to come back with yet another example of how your great wisdom and brilliance surpasses that of others.  Whatever anyone's insights are, you make sure they know that you know something beyond that.  Frankly, we don't care. We never asked to hear your brilliant insights in the first place.  You gifted us with them none the less, whether or not we wanted them - a very poor listener.

In your very first post you pointed out aspects of EA that you didn't agree with.  You continued on telling us how even EA has to evolve, and the merit of other systems beyond just EA.  3 days later you come back now stating you 100% totally believe in EA.   What?  Do you think my memory is that short?

Even though you may feel you've been treated harshly on this forum, the reality is everyone here wishes for you only the maximum advancement on your evolutionary journey.  We have responded as we have only because frankly you have proven yourself to be pretty clueless in a lot of ways, and demonstrated  that you don't hear much when it is presented subtlely.
take care, and I do wish you the best
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« Reply #44 on: Jun 10, 2009, 09:32 PM »

Hi All,

I am only starting with Astrology, and EA, but I was hoping I could ask to have this thread reactivated...or continued?

This information is really really helpful, and I have nothing really to add to kick if off again except to ask...?

By the Way, Lia, that post on June 06, 2009, 10:21:11 AM  really helped me to understand more about the skipped steps in particular, and the EA Paradigm in general.

I just want to say truly that this board is really GREAT and these discussions (and the books and DVDs) are already helping me in even such a short time in big ways, which are too personal to list in a public forum.

Is that too presumptous of me?  If so, I am sorry, and I can delete this, but the sentiment and the true thanks remain.

Blessings and Fellowship,
and thanks to those who choose to teach on this forum,
I for one am grateful,
Stephen
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