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« Reply #135 on: Feb 20, 2012, 11:50 AM »

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Thanks Rad. Can you elaborate on what Satan and agents of Satan are in this context? My understanding is that Satan is the consciousness of evil? So what is the difference with agents? Are you referring to incarnated souls that have made a contract?

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« Reply #136 on: Feb 20, 2012, 12:42 PM »

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Here is the correct chart. Indeed nothing changes except the Moon now in Leo and conjunct his Mars and Ceres. As such it can be included in the square with his Nodal Axis, thus skipped steps. These are also conjunct his N.Node of Neptune, and square his Scorpio Sun, Venus, and S.Nodes of Venus and Mercury.

These actually intensify all those psychological distortions concerning mothers, and women in general. You can certainly see these symbols as being attracted to violent pornography for example, and the reasons for it that we have tried to uncover and understand here. They also intensify even further those prior lives that we have been talking about. One of the dynamics in his past lives that I did not bring up which contributes to his orientation towards violence with women in general, and his mothers specifically, which is even  more clearly seen through the correction to his Moon, involves him having sex with certain mothers in his past life: his natal Vesta in Cancer in the 8th which is now ruled by his Moon in Leo conjunct his Ceres and Mars. This sex was not the original sacred sex of Vesta from natural times. It manifested through extreme distortions to that archetype manifesting in patriarchal times. He has also been born through a prostitute is his very last life and then abandoned due to having physical deformities. He was placed in an orphanage that was more or less an insane asylum. He died young in this last life, and in that place of horrors.  I am mentioning this because so as to understand the degree of emotional displacement that emanates from these sorts of lives, and the extreme intensity he then manifests at his current life mother.  

God Bless, Rad

This is good to hear because it confirms my intuition about it, that the moon placement in Leo made everything that much more intense. I think the other small shift is that his rising sign moves into the beginning of Sagittarius from the ends of Scorpio.

It is also interesting to hear that he was born through a prostitute and I let myself consider the possibility that his mother, the woman I married, was that prostitute that he was born through in that life. There is an energy that she carries that suggests that possibility. And by that I am not saying she sleeps around, but there is a sexual magnetism that she has that creates all sorts of 'slime' that is always approaching her and that repulses her, there is always an air of questioning by her family and mine as well as to if she is sleeping around, it is in the back of their minds. She has a natural freedom within her soul that makes people uncomfortable, she is very attractive, and when you put a free spirit and add beauty and magnetism to the body, with that free spirit it tends to make minds lean in that direction. She said when we were together and she wore the wedding ring that nobody would mess with her at all, that she felt protected. There are other things too that I need not share but the idea of her being that person is within the realm of possibilities. And I can tell you with certainty that she is not a whore or a prostitute in this life.

Her natal Lucifer is at 7"44' Leo and her natal Juno is a 2"56' Leo so those are conjunct his mars/ceres/moon.....
His Natal Lucifer is conjunct her Venus (9 degrees) her Venus is 22.22 Gemini...she has Ceres conjunct that at 27 gemini.

Heather you can ask me any questions you need to.

I appreciate all your prayers and thoughts as we go through this and learn, if anyone is still doing this I would ask that you send those prayers towards the mother for safety and to him to find the peace within himself to resist anything that he might be contemplating or that might arise in the heat of the moment. I am ok and I will be ok, I am in another state and again I have a pacifying influence on him. I am praying for a peaceful ending to this so that the mother can detach, so that they can both go through their own healing, and so that the mother can reunite with my son, her other son who has been to me the innocent victim in all of this. (if there is such a thing).

Rad, at this point do you see any way for there to be a clean karmic break for her and for him?

Again many profound thanks to everyone.
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« Reply #137 on: Feb 20, 2012, 04:49 PM »

I just also wanted to add this: I think via this thread and all the emotions, suspicions and questioning our own judgments about things that it brings up just shows how subtle and intricate evil is and can be without it being seen and the efforts it will make to conceal. It is not always black and white and at its core is very profound to comprehend.
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« Reply #138 on: Feb 20, 2012, 11:04 PM »

Also I didn't want to confuse anyone with the strong word usage of whore and prostitute. All I meant was that she has a sexuality about her naturally, and she is bright.  She has a conflict within her with her sexuality. She has a strong spirit, went through three months of intense bikram yoga training, has spent time at Buddhist centers... but when she falls she falls, and what I meant was that when she was with me she was supported in such a way that she was able to focus on her better tendencies rather than her other tendencies. She flip flops on her own, unsupported.

An example, the friend that introduced us, my oldest female friend, as a teenager very punk, fist fought with her dad, was involved in alot of drugs and sexual adventures, but then found ashtanga yoga and now has her own studio in San Francisco and is opening one in Shanghai, she spends a period of time every year in India.
Something happened within her to move forward and leave the rest behind. My stepsons mother is also at that point now, ready to move forward.

So without support and being under constant attack with her son and this situation she has found it at times a challenge to pursue her better tendencies. I was that support for her. I gave the example of the friend to show how the path is for alot of people. When there is conflict in the soul, confusion, an individuated/spiritual soul being born into a mainstream family, a lack of understanding by parents or peers, being attacked, people escape in various ways. Sometimes it takes someone to reach out or be that support to reinforce and guide them to a better place. And sometimes its not about guiding at all, sometimes its just a relief for a soul to finally find another that brings them peace, that calms their bodies in a way to be able to see and have their beliefs supported for the first time instead of ridiculed or not understood and that itself gives the soul a reason to move forward in a positive way for themselves.

So, just wanted to clarify.  My nickname for her is 'fallen star' , other people see what shes doing where she fell, i see where she came from and where she belongs and can be part of that return..... her son I used to refer to as 'the destroyer of worlds'.... hopefully he will earn a new nickname soon.
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« Reply #139 on: Feb 21, 2012, 01:05 AM »

Hi Sunyata, are you comfortable with posting the data of the mother so we can understand her relationship to her son and why she has manifested this into her life?
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« Reply #140 on: Feb 21, 2012, 02:37 AM »

Yes, I dont have a problem with that. As far as the time goes we do not have it because the birth chart was lost and the certified copy does not have the time on it. So from all the research we did with family we determined it was between 8 and 9 am. It moves the house placement of a few planets and the n node from one end of the hour to the other. Ive been using an 830am chart. The grandma swears she was born at the same time as her son which was 848.

June 30, 1971
Tucson, Az.
830 am.

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« Reply #141 on: Feb 21, 2012, 05:57 AM »

I have been in a strange situation with Pluto transitting conjunct my lucifer and soon after squaring my nodes.
Is it possible to post my situation and chart in this thread?

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« Reply #142 on: Feb 21, 2012, 07:56 AM »

I have been in a strange situation with Pluto transitting conjunct my lucifer and soon after squaring my nodes.
Is it possible to post my situation and chart in this thread?



Prometheus,

No. As you know it is the general policy of this message board to not engage in doing personal charts. If it were not that's all we would be doing on this mb. From time to time we make an exception here and there due to the extremity of a situation with one of our members who actively contribute to the mb. This is the case with Sunyata and his step son, and the mother of the step son.

God Bless, Rad
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« Reply #143 on: Feb 21, 2012, 02:42 PM »

Sunyata,

"Rad, at this point do you see any way for there to be a clean karmic break for her and for him?"

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No I don't. There has been so much water under the bridge, so to speak, that it will take some time to work through it all even after the most important step is taken: to mutually forgive one another from the point of view of accepting the responsibility in their own actions towards one another. That is precisely where the karmic break begins. And, after they reach that place towards one another it will then require interacting with one another not only in the life in which the first and most vital step takes place, but a least in one more life after that in order to determine is they can sustain that determination and intention for one another, and each other.

God Bless, Rad
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« Reply #144 on: Feb 21, 2012, 08:40 PM »

Sunyata,

"Rad, at this point do you see any way for there to be a clean karmic break for her and for him?"

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No I don't. There has been so much water under the bridge, so to speak, that it will take some time to work through it all even after the most important step is taken: to mutually forgive one another from the point of view of accepting the responsibility in their own actions towards one another. That is precisely where the karmic break begins. And, after they reach that place towards one another it will then require interacting with one another not only in the life in which the first and most vital step takes place, but a least in one more life after that in order to determine is they can sustain that determination and intention for one another, and each other.

God Bless, Rad

Ok. That makes sense to me, thank you.

A couple more questions if that is ok.

In what way was I involved with this child in the past that created me being involved now?

Is my best role in this life to continue what I'm doing as far as a support and nudging him towards a better direction and see where that leads?

I know this is very messy karma. If anyone feels like they want to say anything they see that might be helpful dont feel like you have to spare my feelings, I understand this, I understand.... Lucifer is opposing my sun natally, squaring my moon/uranus.... and its always been there for me from the earliest memories as an awareness in my consciousness....
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« Reply #145 on: Feb 22, 2012, 08:38 AM »

On making a contract with evil:

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It can be done alone by way of having actual conversations/ dialogue with the agents of Satan, it can occur through a dialogue with Satan itself

Thanks Rad. Can you elaborate on what Satan and agents of Satan are in this context? My understanding is that Satan is the consciousness of evil? So what is the difference with agents? Are you referring to incarnated souls that have made a contract?

Blessings,
Heidi

Hi Heidi,

Sorry I missed your question. Yes, Souls who have made that contract 'serve' Satan or Evil by way of being 'agents' for it. This is part of the deal with then contracts are made in the first place. And those agents do not have to be in human form, or on Earth. They in fact can be in an astral form that manifests within or without any Soul which is the connection of course to any Soul being 'influenced' by Evil itself.

God Bless, Rad
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« Reply #146 on: Feb 22, 2012, 09:01 AM »

Sunyata,

"Rad, at this point do you see any way for there to be a clean karmic break for her and for him?"

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No I don't. There has been so much water under the bridge, so to speak, that it will take some time to work through it all even after the most important step is taken: to mutually forgive one another from the point of view of accepting the responsibility in their own actions towards one another. That is precisely where the karmic break begins. And, after they reach that place towards one another it will then require interacting with one another not only in the life in which the first and most vital step takes place, but a least in one more life after that in order to determine is they can sustain that determination and intention for one another, and each other.

God Bless, Rad

Ok. That makes sense to me, thank you.

A couple more questions if that is ok.

In what way was I involved with this child in the past that created me being involved now?

Is my best role in this life to continue what I'm doing as far as a support and nudging him towards a better direction and see where that leads?

I know this is very messy karma. If anyone feels like they want to say anything they see that might be helpful dont feel like you have to spare my feelings, I understand this, I understand.... Lucifer is opposing my sun natally, squaring my moon/uranus.... and its always been there for me from the earliest memories as an awareness in my consciousness....


Sunyata,

The Lucifer transit, now, is conjunct your S.Node of Mars, his natal Pluto, and your composite Venus, Mercury, and Jupiter, as well as the mothers' own Jupiter. At this time. Pretty darn amazing given that this thread is about Lucifer, and you have brought this situation here. If others who have been following this thread and participating in it would like to answer your question about the specific past lives between you and him please go ahead and share what you see and understand with Sunyata. It can be a great learning for all concerned. I will certainly answer your specific questions and or 'hunches' you may have.

When I mentioned earlier that there was potentially great danger for Sunyata to become the 'target' for this boy that is because Sunyata has been targeted by him in another life. And that happened because Sunyata 'exposed' the boy before, exposed the fact of his actual reality which was being intensely influenced by Evil. Sunyata had all those letters ready to go in this life, at this time. If those letters had been released this would have mimicked the events in that other life in which Sunyata exposed him. And that is why there was potentially extreme danger again for Sunyata. Yet, as we have seen, God stepped in at the critical moment by way of the boy calling Sunyata at that critical moment in time. And that conversation then changed the approach that Sunyatta is now taking. This, again, is the God part of the Lucifer transit: the bearer of Light.

"Is my best role in this life to continue what I'm doing as far as a support and nudging him towards a better direction and see where that leads? "

Yes, and to try as best as you can to get the boy out of the mothers home, and to live with his biological father.

God Bless, Rad

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« Reply #147 on: Feb 22, 2012, 12:17 PM »

Hi Rad Sunyata and all,
I am working on this, I have some other commitments today, and will post something later.
Thank you. 
(This keeps coming back to me, so I need to reiterate the importance I feel of the mom physically distancing herself from the boy.  She may then make room for other skilled individuals to step forward and help him enough so he can then work on this with her, without physical risk to her. For her it may feel wrong for her to do this for fear of abandoning him, but it will really help him in the long run.  Which I'm sure you all already know, but I just have to say it)
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« Reply #148 on: Feb 22, 2012, 02:51 PM »

Thanks Rad.
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« Reply #149 on: Feb 22, 2012, 02:54 PM »

Hi all, here are the synastry charts for the boy and the mother as well as the composite.





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