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ari moshe
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« Reply #180 on: Nov 12, 2012, 12:40 PM »

Hi everyone!
Ok, we will now get started on this new chart.

Lets start with:
- Pluto in the 2nd house.
- The south node will be in the 12th house,
- The planetary ruler of the south node in the 11th.

This soul is in transition to the third subdivision of the individuated state.

The key is to stick to Pluto as the bottom line and to relate the sn and it's ruler back to that bottom line. At this point we are examining this soul's core evolutionary past that has lead to this life. Now that we have an evolutionary state, we can apply that as well. As always the value is in the effort and ask any questions that you need to.

It's important for me to communicate here, that the more complex these signatures become the less I will be able to offer comprehensive guidance, just because my own knowledge is limited. So the role I am playing here is simply helping everyone to understand and apply the core ea paradigm to the best that I can. And I will of course ask questions when I need to as well.
God bless, with love
Ari Moshe
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Tory
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« Reply #181 on: Nov 12, 2012, 03:58 PM »

Hi Ari,
Hope you don't mind me posting bit by bit, here's my work on Pluto in the second, will follow up with south node and ruler of the south node relative to this soul in transition to the third stage individuated in next post. I'm really stuck on on a point related to the 12th house (mutable, Yin, water) why the tendancy towards experiences of isolation? I don't understand that, work in progress...


In the second house (Fixed, Yin, Earth) the energy by nature turns inward to find the inner resources and inner strength required to sustain that which has been birthed, given form (in the first house). A soul with Pluto in the second house, over lifetimes has been focused on developing this inner sustenance, inner strength/self-reliance fundamental to survival in this life form. The ultimate sense is that outer form is a reflection of the inner processes at work therefore survival and the ability to sustain is determined first by constructing a real sense of inner security.

Inner security ties in with our self image, personal worth, and our values. What we value is key to what we wish to manifest. The soul with Pluto in the second is really focused on exactly what it values and what it is wanting to manifest into existence, and how?. As previously mentioned, Taurus correlates with biological survival and there may likely have been lifetimes of focusing on just that, with the fixed nature of this signature implying a «hanging on for dear life» to what works (inwardly and outwardly) which may manifest as great strength or great weakness depending on the expression and the situation. Of course the more we cling to an idea/l, person or thing (let’s take the buying power of money as an example) as that which gives us ultimate meaning (instead of understanding that real power and freedom can only come when we let go, and let God/Goddess) the more the second house Pluto will be forcing itself to deal with it’s 8th house polarity lesson and ultimately will have to face the death (shock and loss) and re-birth of that it «held so dear».

Lifetimes of focusing on survival issues implies dealing with very really limitations, physical and psychological, necessitating a narrowing of focus, limited vision; the soul’s current evolutionary journey expressed by the 8th house polarity point involves facing the limitations of one's values systems and the reality we have consequentially manifested, potentially leading to a complete personal metamorphosis as a result of being able to let go and Merge with forces higher than what we can even currently perceive.

Much love
Tory


With sn in the 12th house
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ari moshe
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« Reply #182 on: Nov 14, 2012, 02:43 AM »

Hello everyone - a new approach just occurred to me:

A very conducive first step here would be to start with just analyzing Pluto in the second house in the context of a soul that is transitioning into the 3rd subdivision of the individuated state.

Doing this first, before moving to the nodes, will allow us to establish a firm foundation in the bottom line: Pluto.

Tory, thank you for your post - everything you wrote is accurate for Pluto in the 2nd house in a general way. The next step is to apply it to this particular ea stage.
With love,
Ari Moshe
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« Reply #183 on: Nov 15, 2012, 11:51 PM »

Hi Ari,

Are you just wanting us to write about Pluto in the second house with third individuated stage for now?  Or can we also include the information from your previous post about the Pluto being in the sign of Virgo and the individual being a male growing up in the Baptist South?

gratefully
Gray
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« Reply #184 on: Nov 16, 2012, 05:17 AM »

Hi Gray, for now just Pluto in the second house in the context of this soul's ea stage. And sure, it's possible to consider this soul's basic background at this point. However the total WHY behind that specific biographical context of course will not yet be understood until we work with the nodes and their rulers.
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« Reply #185 on: Nov 16, 2012, 07:38 AM »

Hi Ari,

I would like to participate as well.

Thanks for the opportunity to practice!
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« Reply #186 on: Nov 16, 2012, 10:40 AM »

Hi Ari Hi All,

Pluto 2 house / SN 12th house and it´s ruler in the 11 house:

With Pluto in the second house the evolutionary intent of this Soul  in prior lives has been on self-sustainability and self-sufficiency. Second house being fixed and this Soul has had many prior lives in which it has been internalizing all the desires it actualized in the first house, learning to discern its own essence and what it truly values without the concern of the outer world. 
With Pluto in the 2nd house, this Soul has had to learn lessons of self reliance due to possible situations in which it has lost everything, was born into a poor family or possibly had completely different values than its family, who could have disowned it, blocking its access to its wealth. All these situations would enforce self-reliance as well as security.
This Soul could have a great gift or talent that it keeps to its self because it is so rooted and stubborn, instead of sharing with the outside world, by denying it, it would never have the opportunity of knowing that it could become a success in the eyes of the world, this could also be a new way for this Soul to have more personal worth and a new way to sustain itself.
With Pluto in the second house it is possible that in prior lives this Soul could have been so poor and destitute that it had to become a prostitute, using its body for its survival, it could also use its beauty (2nd house)to unite itself to someone that has power or is powerful, to manipulate others to get what it wanted, needed or desired to feel valued and materially secure. There could exist an over attachment to material possessions and people making it believe these are all its own possessions which it thinks it owns and a refusal to share them for it fears loosing them or some form of betrayal.
Looking at the PPP 8 house/ Scorpio, this individual´s evolutionary intent would be to recognize itself as a source of sustainment by merging with the 8 house PPP, this will teach the individual to open up to other people who will expose its limitations and reality. By being exposed it will force the individual to go within and find within it self a deep sense of who it is, enabling it to relate to others in a more or less fixed way, if the individual resists evolution and does not make the effort to go outwards towards others, it will find itself very isolated and eventually it will lead to the inability to sustain itself. There will also be an effort made by the individual to completely change the way it relates to itself and others, by unconsciously attracting towards itself people and situations that show how its values are limiting it. This individual has had to learn through shocks with others that material abundance does not equal emotional security or happiness.
 This Soul is in a 3rd individuated stage and it has already gone through many life times of self-reliance and self sufficiency in which it has learnt and understood all about self-sufficiency and self reliance, yet there is within its Soul this void.
Having gone through all the consensus stages, this Soul through many life times has mastered amassing wealth, possessions, status in the society it was integrated. Also it came to understand as it moved from consensus into individuated that all the material wealth does not in it self produce happiness. At some point this Soul rebelled against the shackles imposed by the consensus society and started to move away, becoming again more turned inwards or seeking a group of like minded people. This individuation has in itself brought on the individual a deep desire to liberate itself from the judgment of others and even becoming an anarchist/ with its rebellion against all and everything that goes against its revolutionary values.
The individual with the SN in the 12 house, 3rd individuated stage would start to feel a   need or deep desire to surrender itself to the Source, by now it has realized that it needs much less to survive or feel secure, if it surrenders to the source for its sustainability, the Source will provide its sustenance.
This individual could have had lives in which it was completely ostracized from its community, tribe or group (ruler SN 11 house) for its values or fixed ideas, causing great trauma to its Soul and itself,  choosing after being alienated  to go within SN 12 house and feel so disillusioned so that it drives its need to escape its harsh reality by alcoholism or simply secluding itself away in some monastery, in the hope to find the Source and peace. With the ruler of the SN in the 11 house/ Aquarius and the SN in the 12 house/Pisces this individual could in prior lives have been separated from its tribe, been taken in captivity, been separated from the like minded people and with it its Soul could have been completely fractured.
This individual (PPP 6 house), would come into this life having deep unconscious fears that are stored in its long term memory and would probably choose to live a more isolated, group of one / simple life, choosing a life style in which it could learn and perfect some me form of yoga, meditation so as to ground its desire to unite itself with the Source. The desire to perfect itself through self analysis and the desire to surrender to the Source will be less frightening as it decides to integrate the total surrender to a more practical universal jump towards the abyss of the unknown.
Blessings
Rita



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« Reply #187 on: Nov 16, 2012, 08:18 PM »

Hi Rita,

First of all really great effort Rita. What you have written exemplifies that your understanding of the core interpretive technique of the ea paradigm has grown tremendously.

Second, before I comment - you likely missed what I wrote a few posts back: that to simplify for everyone, we are at this point sticking solely to interpreting Pluto in the second house in transition to the third stage individuated. That being said, it is still great that you have put forth the effort that you have in this interpretation. I can see real improvement in your work.

I am choosing to comment a little bit on what you wrote now since there are some key themes I feel are worth correcting. After this post, if you wish, you may post more about 2nd house Pluto in the context of this ea stage. Later, when the group is ready, we will add the sn and its ruler. At that time, you may post another interpretation of Pluto, sn and sn ruler taking into account the corrections and suggestions I posted below.
God bless,
Ari Moshe

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Hi Ari Hi All,

Pluto 2 house / SN 12th house and it´s ruler in the 11 house:

With Pluto in the second house the evolutionary intent of this Soul  in prior lives has been on self-sustainability and self-sufficiency. Second house being fixed and this Soul has had many prior lives in which it has been internalizing all the desires it actualized in the first house, learning to discern its own essence and what it truly values without the concern of the outer world. 

With Pluto in the 2nd house, this Soul has had to learn lessons of self reliance due to possible situations in which it has lost everything, was born into a poor family or possibly had completely different values than its family, who could have disowned it, blocking its access to its wealth. All these situations would enforce self-reliance as well as security.

This Soul could have a great gift or talent that it keeps to its self because it is so rooted and stubborn, instead of sharing with the outside world, by denying it, it would never have the opportunity of knowing that it could become a success in the eyes of the world, this could also be a new way for this Soul to have more personal worth and a new way to sustain itself.

If you'd like to explore this, here is a question to consider: Regarding 2nd house Pluto souls in general, why would this be the case that a 2nd house Pluto might not share it's inner wealth with the outside world? Why might such a soul be so stubborn to the point of remaining in isolation? What is the implied fear inherent in that?

With Pluto in the second house it is possible that in prior lives this Soul could have been so poor and destitute that it had to become a prostitute, using its body for its survival, it could also use its beauty (2nd house)to unite itself to someone that has power or is powerful, to manipulate others to get what it wanted, needed or desired to feel valued and materially secure. There could exist an over attachment to material possessions and people making it believe these are all its own possessions which it thinks it owns and a refusal to share them for it fears loosing them or some form of betrayal.

Looking at the PPP 8 house/ Scorpio, this individual´s evolutionary intent would be to recognize itself as a source of sustainment by merging with the 8 house PPP, this will teach the individual to open up to other people who will expose its limitations and reality. By being exposed it will force the individual to go within and find within it self a deep sense of who it is, enabling it to relate to others in a more or less fixed way, if the individual resists evolution and does not make the effort to go outwards towards others, it will find itself very isolated and eventually it will lead to the inability to sustain itself. There will also be an effort made by the individual to completely change the way it relates to itself and others, by unconsciously attracting towards itself people and situations that show how its values are limiting it. This individual has had to learn through shocks with others that material abundance does not equal emotional security or happiness.

This Soul is in a 3rd individuated stage and it has already gone through many life times of self-reliance and self sufficiency in which it has learnt and understood all about self-sufficiency and self reliance, yet there is within its Soul this void.

Correction: this soul is transitioning into the third individuated stage

Having gone through all the consensus stages, this Soul through many life times has mastered amassing wealth, possessions, status in the society it was integrated. Also it came to understand as it moved from consensus into individuated that all the material wealth does not in it self produce happiness. At some point this Soul rebelled against the shackles imposed by the consensus society and started to move away, becoming again more turned inwards or seeking a group of like minded people. This individuation has in itself brought on the individual a deep desire to liberate itself from the judgment of others and even becoming an anarchist/ with its rebellion against all and everything that goes against its revolutionary values.

Anarchist is just one possibility

The individual with the SN in the 12 house, 3rd individuated stage would start to feel a   need or deep desire to surrender itself to the Source, by now it has realized that it needs much less to survive or feel secure, if it surrenders to the source for its sustainability, the Source will provide its sustenance.

Surrendering to Source would not be relevant to a soul at this evolutionary stage.

This individual could have had lives in which it was completely ostracized from its community, tribe or group (ruler SN 11 house) for its values or fixed ideas, causing great trauma to its Soul and itself,  choosing after being alienated  to go within SN 12 house and feel so disillusioned so that it drives its need to escape its harsh reality by alcoholism or simply secluding itself away in some monastery, in the hope to find the Source and peace.

Same correction as above...

 With the ruler of the SN in the 11 house/ Aquarius and the SN in the 12 house/Pisces this individual could in prior lives have been separated from its tribe, been taken in captivity, been separated from the like minded people and with it its Soul could have been completely fractured.

This individual (PPP 6 house), would come into this life having deep unconscious fears that are stored in its long term memory and would probably choose to live a more isolated, group of one / simple life, choosing a life style in which it could learn and perfect some me form of yoga, meditation so as to ground its desire to unite itself with the Source. The desire to perfect itself through self analysis and the desire to surrender to the Source will be less frightening as it decides to integrate the total surrender to a more practical universal jump towards the abyss of the unknown.
Blessings
Rita

Same correction as above. This stage is characterized by a soul building the self confidence to creatively actualize itself in this world and to step out of the isolation and fear that has otherwise created an inner feeling of being limited and blocked from the consensus reality. This soul is just entering an evolutionary period of becoming more integrated within the world, full individuality intact.

So when the times comes for us to incorporate Pluto, sn and sn ruler what I'd also ask you to effort more in your interpretation is the linkage the sn and its ruler to Pluto. Everything you said (except for the misapplied ea stage) is accurate, however there was not a very strong linkage between the sn, its ruler and Pluto. The specific questions to consider are: How has the 12th house sn and the 11th house ruler served as the vehicle for the desires of a second house Pluto? What kind of confrontations and limitations would be implied here as well?
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« Reply #188 on: Nov 17, 2012, 12:47 PM »

Hi Ari,
I am answering your two questions and later on i will try and elaborate more on Pluto 2nd house , SN 12th and ruler of SN 11th house. Quite difficult...

why would this be the case that a 2nd house Pluto might not share it's inner wealth with the outside world? Why might such a soul be so stubborn to the point of remaining in isolation? What is the implied fear inherent in that?

This individual has been reluctant to share its inner wealth with the outside world because it has already mastered how the consensus society functions and now wants to think and discover about the world and its natural laws by itself. It no longer feels part of the society, therefore it needs to break away for its own evolution to continue.It will  start to question the values, beliefs, norms and taboos of society, disassociating from its immediate friends, family and what ever stops it from discovering from within its own individuality.
This individual could have had to have a double life, one within the consensus society for survival necessity, doing some mundane work for survival needs and when alone it would desire to know its own individuality and follow its own natural laws, beliefs, values, needs , customs and taboos from society.
 There is a deep unconscious fear that it could to be swallowed back by the consensus society if it does not break away from it, until it understands and has the certainty that once out of the box, it could never go back. Having deep unconscious fears of loosing the values and self identity it has gained up to now.
Going into 3rd individuated it would want to integrate its own individual ideas, values, beliefs and natural laws, back into the society so as to share and give of itself, fearless of it being drawn back into the box, for it knows that once out its out.
blessings
Rita
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« Reply #189 on: Nov 17, 2012, 02:24 PM »

Hi Rita, I will respond to your post once everyone else has also posted their interpretations on this Pluto placement.
With love,
am
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« Reply #190 on: Nov 18, 2012, 02:39 PM »

Hi Ari,
My follow on post is below in bold.
LOVE

In the second house (Fixed, Yin, Earth) the energy by nature turns inward to find the inner resources and inner strength required to sustain that which has been birthed, given form (in the first house). A soul with Pluto in the second house, over lifetimes has been focused on developing this inner sustenance, inner strength/self-reliance fundamental to survival in this life form. The ultimate sense is that outer form is a reflection of the inner processes at work therefore survival and the ability to sustain is determined first by constructing a real sense of inner security.

Inner security ties in with our self image, personal worth, and our values. What we value is key to what we wish to manifest. The soul with Pluto in the second is really focused on exactly what it values and what it is wanting to manifest into existence, and how?. As previously mentioned, Taurus correlates with biological survival and there may likely have been lifetimes of focusing on just that, with the fixed nature of this signature implying a «hanging on for dear life» to what works (inwardly and outwardly) which may manifest as great strength or great weakness depending on the expression and the situation. Of course the more we cling to an idea/l, person or thing (let’s take the buying power of money as an example) as that which gives us ultimate meaning (instead of understanding that real power and freedom can only come when we let go, and let God/Goddess) the more the second house Pluto will be forcing itself to deal with it’s 8th house polarity lesson and ultimately will have to face the death (shock and loss) and re-birth of that it «held so dear».

Having experienced the sense of extreme cultural alienation associated with 2nd stage individuated, the soul transitioning into the 3rd stage individuated is now at the point where his individuated expression of his own personal truths is strong and anchored enabling him to go back into society and share that truth/wisdom/understanding/gift with others, fully in the societal context, and in a way that inspires and leads others forward.

Growing up in the conservative baptist south of the US, this soul would have felt completely at odds with the church and its fear-based dogma, indeed society at large. (Having never lived in the US i don’t have a proper understanding of southern US culture but i’m assuming bible-bashing ultra-conservative) This is a great context for a 2nd house Pluto to do his evolutionary thing, growing up in a context of extreme conservative fear-based values forces one to search for truth in a world where seemingly (at first glance) there is none. This forces the soul back in on himself and demands much inner courage, strength and determination to individuate in this context. This process can also be considered as a kind of survival process, when feeling so at odds with society living ones truth is literally a «live or die» of the self, nourishing the inner light we know to be true despite all the outer signals suggesting the opposite, having the faith to keep the inner light burning.
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« Reply #191 on: Nov 19, 2012, 01:56 PM »

Hi Ari and Everyone,

I found this exercise very challenging and had to work with it quite a bit before I could get any ideas to flow!!!  Feedback is very welcome.

Pluto in 2nd, 2nd stage individuated transitioning to 3rd, male born south US conservative Baptist:

This soul in past lifetimes has been focused in a self reflective manner on inner identification of feelings, values and resources for survival and self sustainance learning how to meet his own needs independent of others.  Whereas at the original impulse the soul was focused externally on self discovery via instinctual action now there is a withdrawal in to the self.  The individual is taking what was previously learned and rooting and grounding it self reflectively defining his own values covering everything from money and possessions to personal attributes and talents to self worth.  He has a heightened sensibility to beauty, harmony, the physical body, form and sensuality.  He has high sexual needs instinctual to survival of the species.  He has been working on these issues to the point where he has reached a certain level of comfort with being alienated from the consensus and isolated and now has less need to act in a rebellious fashion.  He may have reached a certain level of comfort with being able to independently survive on his own skills or talents and with living a free spirited authentic life style reflective of these values.  Because Pluto is in the 2nd he will have some form of "frog in the well" syndrome meaning that due to egoic insecurity he will be locked in to his isolated perspectives due to having become lazy or too comfortable thus he has a certain inertia where he resists further evolution.   Perhaps he has chosen this repressive religious family because he still has certain imbalances related to sexual repression or manipulative narcissism or gender inequality or prejudice or basking in his comfortable lifestyle he may simply not want to do the work of taking his skills to a place where he is giving back to the larger world.  In any case he will be faced with confrontations, betrayals or crises which force him to look at his limits and to recognize that he has a need to merge his resources with another someone or something more powerful outside of himself.    This is his soul intent for this life (ppp 8th)....through this kind of merging and surrender to recognizing he cannot independently meet all of his own needs and commiting to the other there will be a complete metamorphosis of his self identity.   If he is successful in this intent he will truly know and face the fact that he needs others and is not an island in to himself, he will share his values and resources in ways that have value and meaning for others and he will learn that he can totally commit to the other without losing balance within himself....(co-dependency is not what he is going for....) He will successfully reach 3rd individuated when he is able to transcend his isolated lifestyle and re-emerge back in to the larger culture in such a way that he contributes to the betterment of others without losing his authentic values...and he is able to create work for himself that is his authentic work.

Perhaps this particular male is an artist who comfortably lives a life style where he feels free to express his sexuality as he chooses without guilt and in ways that do not harm or disrespect others...he might engage in tantra or have a sexual relationship with a partner of another race or choose to cohabitate with a partner making a mutually agreeable commitment to the relationship yet choose not to marry.....or perhaps he chose his repressive family of origin because he still has imbalances to work out around his sexuality....maybe he was in to prostitution either using others or being used in the past and now he attracts a powerful partner who challenges his sexual attitudes forcing him to confront his limits and to make necessary changes regarding feelings and values that are more respectful to the other.  Perhaps he has become very skilled with his art and has achieved some recognition from others.  He may have achieved a high sense of self worth around his talents and ability to be a free spirit and to live authentically producing art that reflects his values about life....yet he might have become too comfortable with some form of inertia or crystalization setting in and become lazy....the result is that his work becomes less interesting, others don't support him financially and he is forced to look at how he has cut himself off from the outside influences that could provide the stimulus he needs to go deeper in his work....or he might attract a more cataclysmic betrayal from an art critic who he has trusted in the past who tears his work apart and exhaults the work of others who are more gifted.  Whatever the circumstance this man will have to confront the fact that his isolation and inertia stiffles his evolution and  that in order to move forward he will have to get out of himself and merge with something or someone more powerful....perhaps he will apprentice with a gifted mentor or enter a new program of study to expand his abilities....whatever he chooses he must make a conscious commitment to the other person or situation and confront his egoic fears around losing his long fought for isolated self sustaining identity....in the process he becomes a different person.  One scenario of how this could play out for this man would be that he opens up a whole new world of contacts because his work has totally changed in to a unique new art expression with expanded renewed appeal.....this could bring him an offer to link up with an art school where he becomes a student consultant. He is then in a role where he works with other students who want to apprentice with him so they can to learn ways of discovering their own unique artistic creations....in this way he would have successfully transitioned to third stage individuated because he is now giving back to the larger culture yet retains his own authentic values.  He is able to once again support himself through his authentic work.   
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« Reply #192 on: Nov 20, 2012, 04:08 PM »

Dear Ari, Dear others on the thread,

Adding on to my previous posts:

The limitations implied by the second house Pluto placement may present themselves differently, either as lack of material resources or conversely, the soul can be born into great wealth with extremely limited emotional support/nourishment from the parents and family. However the limitations manifest, the second house Pluto soul’s work is on developing the inner resources required to self sustain and indeed thrive through the limitations. How we are able to do that depends on how we give meaning to our experiences, our sense of meaning in life is wholly determined by our values, and our values begin at home, starting with how we relate to our ourselves (and then by consequence, others). With a second house Pluto (fixed, yin, earth) would the tendancy too easily be to stagnate, cristallize?, slow to move and slow to change, in which case the limitations could be one’s own limited values triggering the ppp in the 8th as necessary inner or outer confrontations forcing re-evaluation, transformation, metamorphosis and moving into 3rd stage individuated, potentially a merging with new value systems or people, a sharing of the new inner/outer resources.

Values also relate to one’s intrinsic sexual nature, sexual values and again moving into the 3rd stage individuated, one can imagine a sexual merging/union with a person or people that exemplify that which we are seeking or wanting to share. In the context of conservative Baptist southern culture it would not be a surprise if the church and the society's rigidly conservative judgements and distortions regarding sexuality represent the limitations which the soul is working to move beyond.

Much Light to you all
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« Reply #193 on: Nov 22, 2012, 04:34 PM »

Hi Emily, Gray and Henrik - checking in here, let me know if you still intend to post.

Also want to clarify for everyone, in case this is a point of confusion, that what's most important at this stage is that Pluto in the second house is correctly applied to a soul who is transitioning into the third individuated state of evolution.

As we fill in more of the ea chart pieces we'll naturally understand more of the "why" behind that particular social upbringing and context. Of course with just Pluto at this point we cannot make any specific, detailed correlations regarding why this soul may have chosen to grow up in that kind of environment.
With love,
Ari Moshe
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« Reply #194 on: Nov 22, 2012, 05:34 PM »

Hi Ari,

I have just begun the process of collecting my thoughts and writing, and intend to post something in the next couple of days, hopefully tomorrow.

with gratitude,
Gray
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