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« Reply #75 on: Mar 21, 2013, 08:29 AM »

Hi Mirta,

It is such a treat for me to experience your own ongoing development and capacity relative to EA. Your analysis was excellent, and your EA reasoning being extremely sound. This is how EA is meant to be done.

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« Reply #76 on: Mar 21, 2013, 08:30 AM »

Sun analysis.

Here is what I was able to put together - I'll follow your feedback and other people's posts here and allow that to inform me. In gratitude.

Sun in Aquarius in the 2nd house. Sun crescent phase semi square IC and Venus and disseminating phase sesquiquad the MC.
Disseminating trine with Mars
First quarter quintile with south node.

Ruler Uranus conjunct north node in Scorpio in 11th house. Uranus ruler of skipped step planet, Chiron also in Aquarius in 2nd house.

The Sun's position, Aquarius in the 2nd house, correlates to a life purpose that is focused, on one level, to awakening the inner freedom to live in accordance with his innate natural values - and thus a current life focus to liberate from all kinds of past conditioning that has inhibited his own embodiment and ability to live. On another level, given his ea stage, it's about - through the process of deconditioning and liberation - objectively coming to see more of the total picture as it relates to survival - seeing his own body, sexuality, procreation, food, resources, the entire realm of survival from a higher, more encompassing objective perspective - and living that, even if it sets him totally a part from others.

So why that Sun sign then? That Sun, as well as the skipped step planet Chiron is ruled by Uranus which is on the North node. This correlates to an area in his soul that is highly developed, and yet also unfinished business - Chiron squaring that node. The ruler of that nn is Pluto which is naturally linked to the sn and to its ruler, Venus, which is on the IC. The Sun is in a crescent phase square with the IC and Venus, which is ruled by Mars in Libra in the 10th house which is in a disseminating phase trine with the Sun.

This correlates to a dynamic within prior lives wherein the soul has been actively pursuing it's own path of self discovery - which has often subjected the soul to criticism from society (Venus gibbous phase with Mars in the 10th, Mars and Venus in mutual reception too). This really emphasizes the stress of him following his own path and the need to form his identity and special purpose in a way that also integrates within society according to accepted social standards. This would relate in part to how he would set about gaining the necessary credentials - who to listen to, who not to listen to etc - in order to learn and do what his soul desired to learn and do. Also that the MC itself is gibbous phase inconjuct the sn.

This soul has perceived basic laws and principals (Pluto in the 3rd relative to it's polarity point as facilitated by the north node in Scorpio in the 11th) and has been rejected on the basis of those ideas - often experiencing the trauma of groups of people forming against him. This has taught him a lot about how groups think (Uranus on the nn 11th) and how to interact, socialize in a world full of people with various values (Mars in Libra in the 10th in gibbous phase with Venus on IC in Aries, ruler of sn). A lot of his past, which really makes the Sun position make a lot of sense, is where he was disillusioned by way of all kinds of beliefs that he wanted to believe in, only to realize at some point the imperfect, the non absolute nature of those beliefs. With the Sun in Aquarius in the 2nd, this is about finding the value and meaning of his own life in his own way. As I will describe below, there's a new phase semi sextile between Jupiter and the Sun. The Sun is anchoring this soul so that his cosmology comes from within him; organic and true to his own direct observations.

He has been learning how to cooperate in the world as an equal with others, not better than - this is one of the reasons why this soul has created and attracted the kinds of traumas that he has - to teach him, ultimately, the inherent equality of all souls. The strong Venus in Aries on IC and the sn in Taurus in the 5th, and all their gibbous associations to Libra in the 10th implies the lessons of humility and getting out of his own self oriented narrow point of view.

So the fact of Mars being disseminating trine to the Sun means that coming into this life this soul has become ready to creatively actualize his own path - to take destiny into his own hands and fully integrate his creative purpose with the existing social structures with respect to the lessons of social participation and listening as described above. The crescent phase semi square with Venus and the IC, the ruler of Mars and of the sn, points to the intention in this life for this soul, simultaneous to actualizing his purpose in a social sense, to becoming deeply internalized and self reflective as to the nature of his own special purpose. It also means his lesson was to limit his exposure to the ideas and the infinite array of possibilities in terms of what direction he chooses for his mind. This allows him to become ever more internal and to integrate and reflect on his own as to the meaning of his own discoveries.

In general, the phases between all the watery, imaginative and expansive Pisces 3rd house energy and the Sun is new phase, implying lots of new direction and exploration, and yet with Jupiter in a very new new phase semi sextile, its about a focusing and limiting of that direction so that definition can become more established in the thesis he is establishing.

This Jupiter is the ruler of his AC and his Saturn Jupiter - all of which are in a first quarter square with Mercury. Choices relative to how to understand and synthesize the data he is collecting about the environment. The first quarter emphasis implies something new coming forth - something that requires a new perspective that has not yet before been realized.

So bringing all of this back to the Sun it implies that this soul was ready in his life to focus entirely on actualizing his soul's purpose, on his own, through deep reflection so as to allow clear observations and correlations of all the data and research he had pursued. The need to internalize and begin to form a thesis is strong with Jupiter's new phase with the Sun (slowing down) and the square and first quarter phase with all the Sag planets relative to the Mercury and Jupiter in Pisces.

The Sun has a direct connection to the south node through a first quarter quintile. This implies of course that such a purpose has already been engaged. And as stated above, we already have a direct karmic connection to that Sun since it's ruler is on the north node. So there's a great degree of creative energy that this soul simply came into this world to continue where he left off.

Pallas Athene is in a new phase with the Sun - and Pallas kicks off the entire third house, which is ruled by the Sun's ruler - Uranus. So there's a sense of all this new scientific information coming through this soul from a higher source and for this soul to deeply internalize this on his own.

Lastly, the Sun rules the 9th house which then correlates to the nature of his creative purpose: to birth a unique cosmology though developing higher awareness of his own values, of survival, and via the 11th house linkage, the evolutionary dynamics of human beings.

I'm so grateful for this practice. I look really forward to reading what has been posted by everyone else and continuing to follow this process we are doing here.
With much love,
Ari Moshe
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« Reply #77 on: Mar 21, 2013, 08:41 AM »

Hi Gonzalo,

This is simply brilliant EA work of great detail as to the inner dynamics and workings within the Soul psychology of Darwin that were the causative factors in all that he thought about and contemplated. Your EA analysis as to why Darwin chose the Sun sign that he did, and how he actualized it within the context of his Soul, is just brilliant work.

This is how EA is meant to be done.

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« Reply #78 on: Mar 22, 2013, 09:11 AM »

Hi Rad,

Finally managed to get time to write something down. But because it’s been a bit rushed it’s not written as clearly or as concisely as I would like. I also haven’t read any of the others but hope I’ve properly understood what the requirement was. Thanks for such a great thread.

                             Why is the Sun in Aquarius in the 2nd house?

Pluto is in Pisces in the 3rd house, which reveals that this Soul is pursuing core desires related to the mind, and Mars in a disseminating sesquiquadrate to Pluto shows this to be the 5th primary life for this Soul in this series of lives based on these core desires.

However, we know that this particular life has been a long time in the making, and to enable a full context for the Sun’s placement we will go back into the Soul’s distant past, where we find the SN Pluto in Capricorn in the 2nd house. This relates to a very different series of lives with core desires revolving around 2nd house issues.  At the most fundamental level the 2nd house relates to physical survival - resources or the lack of them, and being able to provide for oneself. It is a yin area of experience where we withdraw into ourselves to affect the sustainability of our body and our sense of self, and so denotes self-reliance, the ability to persevere without any dependency on anyone else to do so – stubborn endurance.

It also shows how we listen to ourselves, identifying via feelings what is important to us and therefore what we value. This is a highly subjective area, and also depends on a soul’s evolutionary state. While some people may value material possessions more than anything else, generally people value themselves before anything else, and in these cases the 2nd house becomes in the first instance a measure of one’s self-esteem.  

The SN of Pluto in the 2nd is conjunct the Moon, indicating that the mother and perhaps children have been highly important to this Soul in the past. The Moon is square Mars in the 10th – indicating conflict with authorities affecting his family, with maybe injury or possibly even death involved (Libra can be extremes). Two other close major aspects are a waxing sextile to Jupiter in Pisces in the 3rd house and a waning semi-square to Saturn in Sag in the 12th, both indicating natural spirituality was important to the Soul. Saturn is also the ruler of the SN Pluto, and is conjunct Neptune and in the 12th house. This further reinforces an interest in the spiritual side of life.

Interestingly enough, the SN of Saturn is also in the 2nd house in Capricorn conjunct the S.Nodes of Venus, Vesta and Mercury, and these are all also conjunct the Moon and the SN Pluto. Obviously in these distant times issues of survival and self-sufficiency were paramount, with probably heavy suffering at the hand of the authorities of the time, maybe having loved ones thrown into prison, poisoned, or tortured in some way (all these 2nd house points are square to Mars in the 10th, which is sesquiquadrate to Pluto, which is ruled by Neptune – back in the 12th house). So from this we know at the least that this Soul is well acquainted with 2nd house issues, and will have deep soul memories regarding them. We also know that back then the Soul was developing an interest in spirituality, (possibly even as a result of the likely 2nd house trauma it suffered). This soul has obviously been attracted to learning (Jupiter in 3rd in Pisces) religious concepts and scriptures (Saturn conjunct Neptune in the 12th in Sag), and probably clung to organised religion (Saturn/Neptune) as a means of survival (2nd house) and staying sane (Capricorn). The Soul may even have been in the preceding 2nd individuated state in those lives, and hence the clash with authorities creating survival trauma and wounding – a possibility anyway.

Nevertheless it’s clear that this soul has awoken to religion and spirituality in the very distant past, from an inner security need (Saturn in 12th, 2nd house), approaching it from both a devotional and also a curious, studious perspective (Neptune in 12th in Sag, Jupiter in 3rd in Pisces). The SN of Jupiter is also in Capricorn but in the 1st, along with the S.Nodes of Mars and Uranus, so a spirit of independence was also clearly present, and probably encouraged the Soul to explore religion and spirituality further via independent and original action and enquiry. What would have started as an urgent need for security would have gradually changed into a new voyage - into a whole new world with more meaning (Neptune in Sag, Jup in Pisces), of more in life than just the material (2nd house). This would have great ramifications for this Soul at a later point in it’s evolution (and is also at the root why this Soul had in their incarnation as Darwin so many planets in Pisces, the 12th or aspecting Neptune).

However moving on from those distant lives, a bit closer to the more recent series of lives represented by Pluto in 3rd in Pisces, we can see that the Jupiter is in balsamic phase to Mercury, both also in 3rd in Pisces - indicating a whole cycle of mental enquiry has been undertaken and almost completed regarding Piscean matters – unity & oneness, expressed as religion or spirituality. This enquiry has been of a very deep nature as Mercury is also in balsamic conjunction to Pluto. Obviously things have changed for this Soul along the way, and it has expended a great deal of mental effort in it’s desire to learn all it can about things of a cosmic nature, and in the process developed a very formidable mind. This use of the mind has been driven by life and death issues at times (Mercury and Pluto conjuncted by Ceres), and with Mercury and Pluto in full sesquiquadrate with Mars in the 10th, and Jupiter quincunx Mars, clashes with authority have probably happened again, this time most likely over professed beliefs, announcements or arguments of a religious or spiritual nature. Despite the fact that this Soul had obviously become well equipped to understand complex issues on a large scale, it may not have exercised much humility, and with Mercury/Pluto squaring Sat in the 12th probably was thrown into prison again for challenging authority with it’s version of the “truth” (Mercury/Pluto.)  Not only that, Uranus in the 11th in Scorpio trines Mercury and Pluto indicating the ease with which this Soul could be traumatised when not being heard. Uranus rules Chiron in the 2nd house, and here we see the wounds that were caused by the 2nd house traumas from long ago. Now this wounded area is added to but in a different way, no longer because of any survival issues, but due to retaliation by the authorities for the challenging of religious opinions – resulting in a wounding to self-esteem. The S.Node of Neptune is also conjunct Chiron further indicating likely intense wounding to the Soul over time from various religious sources.

Now switching lenses and forwarding to current Pluto in 3rd series of core desires, with the S.Node in the 5th in Taurus and N.Node In 11th in Scorpio, we now have a skipped step caused by the accumulated wounding (Chiron in 2nd). In this signature we can see the remnants of the past wilful independence in the Moon’s SN ruler, Venus, being in Aries. However it has obviously softened and humbled in stance somewhat since then, now being trine Saturn in the 12th and quincunx Uranus in the 11th. So if the past hardships, suffering from loss of loved ones, and fractured (Aquarius) self esteem from being silenced are the cause of the skipped step, what is the skipped step itself?

The Soul from it’s initial curiosity (3rd house) regarding religious and spiritual matters (12th house, Pisces) has inadvertently wandered down a path of ever intensifying enquiry that has had the effect of gradually and literally opening it’s eyes … to the amazing wonder of the phenomenal universe. It’s interests had continually expanded as a result, ending up far beyond religious security, and extending into all of nature as well as heady philosophical realms e.g what is nature? how does nature work, does God exist? Along the way the Soul has formed it’s own revolutionary opinions to these questions and projected these answers forcefully into society (Pluto conj Jup in 3rd, Jup FQ sesquiquadrate Uranus in 11th), and been continually persecuted, punished and ridiculed as a result (Sat/Nep in 12th, Mars in 10th sesq Plu). The irony (Aquarius) is that with such a developed mind the Soul no doubt had a great deal to offer, but was too full of itself, and not aligned with the relevant needs and necessary ways of interaction required with the societies in which it lived. The resulting backlash served to shock the Soul (Chiron in Aquarius) and damage it’s self esteem (Chiron in 2nd).

By now, the accumulated wounding for this Soul shown by Chiron in the 2nd in Aquarius has had a very deep impact on the Soul.

It has tried to cope with this by alternating cycles of indulgence in material comfort and self directed pleasures (SN 5th house in Taurus, ruler Venus in Aries), and when bored with that alternating to socialising with intense interest groups who were radical, or antisocial  in some kind of way (NN 11th Scorpio). Of these two alternatives that’s seemed to be open to the soul, the later was more helpful in addressing the wound, as it at least helped restore some pride (5th house) to the soul because it’s highly intelligent opinions and astute insights would have been accepted. This in turn would have allowed the Soul glimpses of the PPP in 9th in Virgo, which would have been like nectar to the Soul, it would have been a subtle yet exquisite sense of self-realisation (opposite so many 3rd house energies) – a great release of the mind, a satori-like experience.

But the wounded imprint held in the 2nd house was now this Soul’s Achilles heel, an unconscious energy disturbance. It ate at Darwin constantly but he refused to see it. In previous lives he had suffered great hardship as a result of loss of love ones. He had also had the primeval instincts of his barbarian side, and his wilfulness, arrogance, and selfishness … all knocked out of him via the ongoing conflicts with authorities and resulting rejection, backlash, punishment, and persecution. Not being recognised by society for his mental contributions and prowess had been extremely deeply traumatic and painful for him (Uranus in 11th FQ square to Chiron). However whichever way the Soul had recently tried it couldn’t consistently experience it’s PPP, it’s nectar, as it’s low self esteem wounding would undermine it’s whole energy structure. However because it was a deeply painful area of the psyche the Soul continued to avoid it.

The 2nd house is the inner fortification of the self, the substance and basic foundation of self that allows us to function normally. When it is dysfunctional it feels like we are a boat with a hole in it – its very hard to simply stay afloat, let alone do anything meaningful in life. So the skipped step is avoiding repairing this hole, not tending to the wound, so that the great talents (2nd house) and potential for opportunity (Jup new conjunction to Pluto) that this Soul had developed could be put to productive use in society.
Darwin first developed heart trouble as a young man even before sailing on the Beagle voyage, and from then onwards developed stomach inflammation, violent shivering, twitching and nerve spasms, migraines and general nausea. These ailments mostly tended to manifest symptoms when he was “stressed”, which at it’s worst was merely either socialising for 20 minutes or more, or simply working (which he normally loved). He had avoided his wounds for so long that they had all gone into his body. Physicians could find nothing wrong with him, no physical cause for his symptoms - because it wasn’t in any way inherently physical – it was all psychosomatic. So this was his skipped step – not dealing with his psychological wounds over many, many lives. And the most recent of these wounds was the damage to his self esteem. He was in awe at prestigious groups and societies (Chiron in Aquarius), and although ambitious, he had no desire for fame itself, just recognition by other scientists (Chiron in 2nd).

So as a result of all this, by the time this Soul manifested itself as Charles Darwin, it had created a situation in which lifetimes of effort, and then topped off with some lives of eventual stagnation, non-growth, were brought to a head. All the talents were assembled ready and available for use. All the dysfunctions and impediments that had previously sabotaged the personality had been processed and transformed - Darwin was kind, good humoured, pleasant, unassuming and profoundly humble. Only the skipped step remained to be resolved, and the way for that to happen was to focus on the NN in 11th in Scorpio new conjunction Uranus. This was the crucial spot – where the potential for liberation resided. All that was needed was to focus there and stabilise, rather than fall back into the bad habits from previous lifetimes … flip flopping between nodes,  of reaching for the PPP then falling back, then continuing round the same cycle again. Focus. Stabilise. Anchor. And the best place for that as a purpose for the whole life, the place where that could best be integrated from, was the 2nd house (stable, fixed) and Aquarius (fixed).  Also this would force him to face his wounds rather than run away from them., keep his consciousness close to his reality, feet on the ground rather than trying to reach prematurely for the stars (with a leaky boat).

There is great irony in this Soul's journey up to here, and in this life. Darwin's real mission was to find himself, to become self-realised, enlightened. Once he got over clinging to religion for security via conditioned devotion, and starting a mental journey exploring nature and spirituality, this was his original attraction. And because of his wounds he haphazardly moved around in focus from left to right brain, mercury to jupiter ... and back again. Thus he inadvertently developed a most unusal mix of logic and intuition, a fantastic ability for inductive logic, to gather any diverse number of facts and arrange them in generalised groups. It was his proficiency and love of doing this, always wanting to order details into larger meanuingful wholes, that he had developed by accident simply as a very indirect coping mechanism for avoiding his wounds. And these wounds culminated in his life as Darwin as a skipped step, and so he was forced to resolve the skipped step, and the way to do that was to actually get the recognition that he so desperately needed from those intellectuals and scientists that he respected so much. And the way to do that was to focus on the facts of the phenomenal world, nature as it appeared in everyday life, without creating any theories about what they were all about (avoid the PPP) and simply investigate (NN in Scorpio) just what was the factual case and classify it, order it (Pluto in 3rd), and accumulate as many facts as possible. And let this ordering process of the facts induce it's own meaning naturally (and finally by itself the PPP appears). And via this process he discovered what he did, and transformed our understanding of how biological nature works. But he would never have developed the particular mental capacities and skills to do all this, if he hadn't been creating and then needing to resolve his skipped step!

Given his destiny, there were also other benefits from having a 2nd house Aquarius Sun. .

-   He needed to do a lot of painstaking and meticulous work, so a patient, steady 2nd house Sun would be ideal for that

-   He had a special mission to fulfil, so on a larger scale he needed to have a certain fixity of purpose – Aquarius 2nd house would have been very good for that

-   He was destined to change the world with revolutionary ideas that would greatly impact the church, the scientists and the established public consensus. Inevitably he was going to face criticism, rejection, rumours, and public attacks etc for his statements. He needed to be somewhat insular from all these goings on, so that he was not unduly affected and could carry on. Aquarius detachment and 2nd house ability to withdraw into oneself would serve him very well in these situations

- His Sun also has a disseminating trine to Mars in the 10th - perfect for working with others to bring his work to fruition.

- It's ruled by Uranus (new conj NN) and has a biseptile to Uranus. This makes it easy for him to keep in touch with his resolution node, and to bring the full powers of his scientific abilities into play.

- Its conjunct Pallas in 3rd in Aquarius - this gives him access to an ability for psychic visions, or at least glimpses


.. and no doubt many other reasons, but its very late and I must stop.


blessings Upasika

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« Reply #79 on: Mar 22, 2013, 11:05 AM »

Hi Ari,

Thanks for making the effort you have to do the EA of why Darwin chose his Antiquarian Sun sign. Your EA analysis was very succinct, accurate,  and the EA reasoning employed very sound.

This is how EA is meant to be done.

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« Reply #80 on: Mar 22, 2013, 11:14 AM »

Hi Upasika,

Thanks for taking the time you have to do the EA of why Darwin chose to have the Aquarius Sun that he did. Your EA analysis of the past that brought him to the life as Darwin was simply exceptional EA, very accurate, the extremely well reasoned. That background is essential in understanding the 'why' of his Soul's choice as to the Sun sign he did choose.

Exceptional EA work Upasika. Bravo.

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« Reply #81 on: Mar 22, 2013, 11:16 AM »

Hi Upasika, Gonzalo, Kristin, Linda, Mirta, Gray , and Ari

All of you have done wonderful EA work on Darwin's chart to date. I would encourage you and all others who are reading this thread to read all of what you each of you has written for it portrays a complete and accurate understanding of the Soul of Charles Darwin to date.

Next week will begin again.

Until then God bless all of you , Rad
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« Reply #82 on: Mar 25, 2013, 03:14 AM »

Hi Rad,

I was wondering about Venus. I have been thinking there is a reasonable likelihood that Venus was actually in the 4th house.

For that to be the case the birth time would only need to be 2 minutes earlier. Which as you've mentioned before also is very plausible, as at the exact birth occurrance itself those present are often fully focussed on that, and its only immediately after that they remember to glance at the clock and that's the time that sticks. Hence in this scenario birth would have been at 2:58 (say), but the clock wasn't sighted until immediately afterwards at 3pm.

I'm also always initially questioning of birth times that occur excactly on the hour, I always suspect that they may have been rounded off to that, although of course it's as possible as any other time.

But the reasons I feel it's likely Venus was in the 4th are...

a) Darwin had decided to marry because, although he knew it would rob him of a great deal of time that he would rather use for doing science, he felt that a wife and family would be a great source of nourishment, both while he was doing his work, and also he knew that as he got older and more vulnerable the children would in turn support him and his wife. Also he did not fancy being alone without a companion when he was older. So for these three reasons he decided to marry. And during his whole life he was always very much a genuine family man. He loved his wife very much, and also all his many children, of which he had quite a few.

b) It also correlates very well with his love of geology. On an external level the 4th house can correlate to real estate, and land in general, and Darwin loved (Venus) exploring land formations.

c) The 4th house is also about attaining inner emotional security. Darwin's mother died when he was 8, which at that age would have removed a major source of external emotional security. He also couldn't talk about it with his sisters as they were too traumatised by her death. So he was thrown back onto himself regarding it, to such an extent that as an adult he realised had lost almost all memory of her, including what she looked like.

I thought I'd ask now before we got any further into it, in case you felt there was any validity in the possibility and it was worth making the adjustment...

thank you & blessings,
Upasika
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« Reply #83 on: Mar 25, 2013, 06:55 AM »

Hi Rad,

I was wondering about Venus. I have been thinking there is a reasonable likelihood that Venus was actually in the 4th house.

For that to be the case the birth time would only need to be 2 minutes earlier. Which as you've mentioned before also is very plausible, as at the exact birth occurrance itself those present are often fully focussed on that, and its only immediately after that they remember to glance at the clock and that's the time that sticks. Hence in this scenario birth would have been at 2:58 (say), but the clock wasn't sighted until immediately afterwards at 3pm.

I'm also always initially questioning of birth times that occur excactly on the hour, I always suspect that they may have been rounded off to that, although of course it's as possible as any other time.

But the reasons I feel it's likely Venus was in the 4th are...

a) Darwin had decided to marry because, although he knew it would rob him of a great deal of time that he would rather use for doing science, he felt that a wife and family would be a great source of nourishment, both while he was doing his work, and also he knew that as he got older and more vulnerable the children would in turn support him and his wife. Also he did not fancy being alone without a companion when he was older. So for these three reasons he decided to marry. And during his whole life he was always very much a genuine family man. He loved his wife very much, and also all his many children, of which he had quite a few.

b) It also correlates very well with his love of geology. On an external level the 4th house can correlate to real estate, and land in general, and Darwin loved (Venus) exploring land formations.

c) The 4th house is also about attaining inner emotional security. Darwin's mother died when he was 8, which at that age would have removed a major source of external emotional security. He also couldn't talk about it with his sisters as they were too traumatised by her death. So he was thrown back onto himself regarding it, to such an extent that as an adult he realised had lost almost all memory of her, including what she looked like.

I thought I'd ask now before we got any further into it, in case you felt there was any validity in the possibility and it was worth making the adjustment...

thank you & blessings,
Upasika

Hi Upasika,

Of course any birth time that is reported can be off a few minutes, or more. But this is the time reported for this birth chart. To not use that time would then become nothing but speculation. Relative to your reasons for considering that his Venus may be in the 4th just take those statements and now link them to his 2nd House Moon not to mention all the various S.Nodes of planets there, Chiron, and his Sun. His Moon also squares the 10th House Mars in Libra which of course rules the Venus in question which is also conjunct his natal Vesta IN THE FOURTH. All of these symbols, when combined, equal to me the various points you have made.

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« Reply #84 on: Mar 25, 2013, 07:18 AM »

Hi Upasika, Kristin, Ari, Linda, Gonzalo, Gray, and Mirta ...

First I wish to commend all of you again for doing just incredible EA work, and for taking the time you each have to commit to developing this thread on JWG's Planetary Method of Chart Interpretation. All of you are also helping many others understand this method, others who simply come here to read this thread. So bravo to all of you.

We are now ready to continue on in developing the next step in our planetary method.

From JWG:

The next step after understanding the integrative principle of the Sun and the purpose and meaning it is giving to life experience in general, our very next step is then to move to the moon itself. Why? The current life moon, the natal moon, and the nodes are going to reflect a spiritual law, the trinity, from the earth point of view the phenomenon of past, present, and future. We have the north and south nodes of the moon and what this is correlating to psychologically is a universal experience we call the dynamic tension that exist in all people between the past and the future, as experienced in each moment of our life.  That's the natal moon in relationship to its nodal axis. We have an evolving ego, i.e. from south node to north node.  How that evolving ego is integrated on a consistent basis (moon) is the natal moon itself by house and sign.

Audience: Could you go over that again?

Jeffrey: We have a thing called the dynamic tension between the past and the future that we all experience, yes? That dynamic tension as experienced in each moment of our life  is contained in your natal moon. How we integrate the potential insecurity linked with our past and our future experienced in the moment is our natal moon.  It creates cohesion, self-consistency, understand? It’s that place in you, the dynamic in you, that can say, “This is who I used to be, this is who I am trying to become.” That voice is your natal moon; do you understand my point?

Audience: Can you give an example of that?

Jeffrey: All of you in this room know as your life experience that you are in a dynamic state of becoming, yes? You know you have a past; you know you have a feeling to go into--toward--your future, which is the experience of the moment, yes? The experience of these two things in the moment is your moon. How you experience that is your natal moon by its own house and sign.

Audience: Let’s say the moon was conjunct one end or the other of the nodal path, for example, the north node, would there be more orientation toward the future than the past and really more conflict about trying to integrate the south node somehow with Pluto?

Jeffrey: Each case is unique and you have to always overlay this with karmic evolutionary requirements. The experience of it depends on the person, including the observed evolutionary state; one size does not fit all. If I had the moon on the south node and I am in consensus state, for example, how I am responding to that inwardly would be vastly different than if I had that moon /south node and I am in, say, an individuated state, or a spiritual state, you see. In all cases you are looking at the phenomenon of something being unresolved in a prior life, at an emotional level, that the person is bringing forward into the current life in order to re experience with the intention of resolving it.  

      If you have moon square the nodes, and really anytime you have a planet square the nodes, including the moon or Pluto, in evolutionary terms you have what are called skipped steps. And in the current context the person has been flip flopping back and forth, back and forth. And in evolutionary terms, karmic requirement, the person must recover those skipped steps in order to evolutionary proceed. Until that recovery is made they are blocked, you see my point now? Are we clear on the methodology as we are proceeding? That's my main intention at the moment, are we clear at the moment? Anybody still not clear? Good!

      Now, another way of looking at this is why we are going to be using the moon in this sequence. The moon is how each of us lives with ourself inwardly on a moment-to-moment basis. It is how we are giving personal form and definition to what we call our reality. It is way for us to make it personally secure. All human beings have a need to feel secure. Of course the issue is what constitutes security.  But the phenomenon of feeling secure is a constant for all human beings. It is like the need to put an anchor in the sea instead of just letting the boat drift where it wants to go. That is your ego. That is your anchor in the sea. That is the anchor into your unconscious. That is the anchor into your soul. Do you understand my point?  

      That is the way for you to personally relate to what your evolutionary intentions are relative to the purpose that is described by the Sun. It is a way for you to live with it, to feel emotionally secure because of it. The house and sign of your moon and the aspects it makes describe how that process is done. It is that simple. Yes?

Audience: I'm sorry, is that the security………(Inaudible)…………

Jeffrey: Yes, this is why we have a triad among Cancer, Scorpio and Pisces. See this is the ultimate meaning when we have the moon linked with Scorpio and Pisces.  We have this natural triad, and very few astrologers will tell you that the ultimate secret of Cancer and the moon is to realize that the moon itself is the source of its own insecurity. This is why it is a Cardinal archetype, two steps forward and one step back. We want to initiate change and we freak out and we want to recover…(Inaudible)……  

      But the ultimate teaching of the moon is reflected in the dark side of the moon, the side we never see. And the reason that the moon creates its own insecurity is to ultimately realize (Pisces) security from within, linked with an inner reality that has nothing to do with the external environment. When you link this through Scorpio, this is why all of us at various points in our journey misapply our trust into people--in order to experience emotional betrayal, abandonment and loss to enforce inner security. This is why.

Audience: That wouldn't…(Inaudible)…… It seems to be reinforcing what you developed in the past.
Jeffrey:  No you are not listening; you’re not interpreting right. You don't understand reality unless you listen carefully and objectively to the words. What you have just heard is that the ultimate intention of the Cancer/Scorpio triad is to learn absolute state of inner security from within. Now you have heard it rightly.

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So what we want to focus on now, first of all, is the Moon's direct correlation to egocentric structure of the Soul for Darwin: past, present, and future. We have already developed the S.Node of the Moon with it's ruler Venus in Aries with the various aspects to it. This of course will correlate to the past lives egocentric structure that the Soul of Darwin created for his Soul that allowed for personal "I" to be formed relative to the evolutionary intentions for his Soul.

In the life of Darwin his Soul chose to have a Capricorn Moon in the 2nd House that is forming various aspects to other planets including his Mars in Libra in the 10th that is ruled by his Venus which is the ruler of his S.Node of the Moon. So we can see here the continuation of the egocentric structure of Darwin from those past lives leading the current life. Additionally, his Moon is conjunct the S.Nodes of Jupiter, Pluto, Saturn, Vesta, Venus, and Mercury. All of these are ruled by Saturn of course which is conjunct Neptune in Sagittarius in his 12th which trine that natal Venus in his 3rd.

So at this stage let's do an EA analysis of the egocentric structure that Darwin chose, and why. What type of egocentric structure is it ? How does this egocentric structure correlate to Darwin's underlying evolutionary intentions for the current life, and how the past life dynamics are continued into the current life of Darwin.

How is the dynamic tension of the past, future, and manifest in each moment experienced by the egocentric structure of Darwin ? How is the ultimate evolutionary need to learn inner security being worked upon by the Soul of Darwin in this egocentric structure ?

How does Darwin SEE HIMSELF FROM WITHIN ? Linked with his Sun how does the current life egocentric structure inwardly identify with his current life purpose ? How is that purpose creatively actualized in the context of Darwin's egocentric structure ?

What are the nature of his emotions and why .. i.e. the basis of his emotions ? How does he emotionally relate to himself and others ? The Moon, among other symbols, correlates to the type of parents and the environment that the Soul chooses to be born into for relative to it's evolutionary intentions. What type of environment did Darwin choose, and why ? What type of parents did he choose, and why ? How does this early life conditioning then affect the egocentric formation of Darwin ? How does this affect his own capacity to parent ? And what type of parent would he be ?

Within all of this we also need to consider his N.Node of the Moon for these directly correlates to the ever evolving egocentric structure wherein the very nature of that necessary evolution reflects to underlying, and ongoing, evolutionary intentions of the Soul itself. Thus we need to understand how the S.Node of the Moon interacts with the natal Moon, and how both of these interacts with the future evolutionary pull of the evolving ego as symbolized by his N.Node of the Moon in Scorpio. And for him he has natal Uranus conjuncts that N.Node. This means, as we know, that that N.Node has already, prior to the current life, been in the process of being developed by the Soul.

So let's try to put all this together in our EA analysis of the Moon in Darwin's chart.

This are some of the core dynamics that we will need to address in our next step.

If you have any questions please ask them of me now.

God Bless, Rad
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« Reply #85 on: Mar 25, 2013, 10:56 PM »

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All of these symbols, when combined, equal to me the various points you have made

Hi Rad,

Well it was just an idea I had been wondering about, as I thought perhaps Vesta in the 4th might not have been enough. But then I knew, and as you've pointed out, "treasure thine family!" would have been indelibly stamped on his Soul from that 2nd house time long ago ... plus the Moon-Mars-Venus connection you referred to adds a link to his love for his family. So thanks for clearing it up.

blessings Upasika
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« Reply #86 on: Apr 01, 2013, 10:13 AM »

Hi Rad and everyone - checking in, my intention is to post here the next step on the Moon by this weekend.
With much love, am
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« Reply #87 on: Apr 05, 2013, 06:32 AM »

Hi Mirta, Linda, Gonzalo, Kristin, Upasika, and Gray

Please let me know where you are all at concerning this next step in our analysis of this chart.

God Bless,Rad
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« Reply #88 on: Apr 05, 2013, 08:08 AM »

Hi Rad
I'm working on it, and hope to post soon, either during the weekend or early next week.
God Bless,
Gonzalo
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« Reply #89 on: Apr 05, 2013, 02:26 PM »

Hi Rad,

This is a very busy time for me on various fronts, and I haven't had any time to look at it yet. Hoping to be able to post by at Friday latest, but aiming for mid week or sooner if I can. (But if it does take me all week I'll understand if you need to move on, and I'd catch up somehow).

blessings Upasika
 
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