Hi Rad and group,
Here´s my go.
I decided to do my own Natal signature since I wanted to address the nodes and rulers which I haven´t done before and, hope to be as accurate and realistic as possible and therefore used dynamics I know to be true or at least highly possible with these symbols. Some of these dynamics reflect my reality and others don´t but are possible from an archetypal point of view.
Thanks to all participating.
Neptune and Deception
South Node of Neptune in Aquarius in the Seventh house, Natal Neptune in Sagittarius in the Fifth house, ruled by Jupiter in Virgo in the second house and, North Node of Neptune in the first house in Leo. Ruler of Neptune´s S.Node (Uranus for all people) in the Fifth house in Scorpio and Ruler of Neptune´s N.Node (Sun for all people) also in the Fifth house in Scorpio, conjunct Uranus and Mercury Rx.
The 12th house has Gemini/Cancer on it and Pisces is located on the 8th/9th houses.
Pisces South Node of the Moon in the Eigth house.
Major relative aspects between Neptune and other planets in the Natal chart:
Venus conjunct Neptune, new phase.
Saturn in Virgo in the third house square Neptune, last quarter.
Uranus semi sextile, balsamic to Neptune.
Neptune is conjunct the S.Node of Uranus in Sagittarius in the Fifth house, new phase.
Transiting Neptune in the 8th house, conjunct the S.Node of the Moon at the time of this assignment.
The S.Node of Neptune is in Aquarius for every living Soul on the planet at this point in time and it correlates to our spiritual root, where our ultimate values come from and, what they are like, is reflected in the Aquarian archetype, which correlates to our ultimate values of humanitarianism, individual freedom to be unique individuals, that make up a brotherhood or big human family, with ultimate values of inclusion and sharing, of supporting one another as in team work instead of the self interest, competitiveness and exclusion we find in our world today. This S.Node of Neptune placement correlates directly to a timeframe in which humans lived according to natural law, in a natural way. Those times and way of life are what is generally referred to as the Matriarchy. Most societies at those times, more or less 8000 years ago and before, were structured in a mother dominated way, in which the male competitive-ness and domination we experience today was minimal. A time on Earth when humans lived in a way that was not detrimental to their environment or other living beings, further than what was necessary for basic survival and little more, when there was an adherence to truth as a way of life, when all living beings on earth were respected as a life form in their own right, including the planet itself as a living organism. A time when humans shared resources and included one another in their pursuit of survival, knowledge, happiness, arts, evolution and so on. It probably wasn´t perfect or without evil and suffering as these things are natural and have their place in our lives for evolution to proceed, to a certain point at least. Though, when natural laws and principles are violated on an exponentially increasing basis and frequency, then the suffering and destruction becomes as tragic as going from the beauty and intensely, life supporting environment, like that of a tropical rainforest, to the death, destruction and years of radioactive contamination, of a place like Hiroshima at the time of world war two.
With the S.Node of Neptune in the 7th in Aquarius, there can be memories of past lives wherein psychic trauma was experienced relative to these types of extreme imbalances, such as in some people going hungry their whole lives while others have gold toilets. Mental/psychic trauma due to violations of natural law, that are carried into this life, as in this life, the natal Neptune is in Sagittarius, conjunct the South Node of Uranus, reflecting essentially a continuation of those ultimate values, connected to natural principles/natural law. Reflecting a desire to seek within Nature, or the inner self, in natural ways, for knowledge and spiritual or physical belonging. This in turn leads to a continuation of the psychic trauma experienced in the past, as the planet continues to be in a state of extreme imbalance relative to Nature and human living conditions, while the native simply cannot compute, understand, or truly integrate in such an individuality disdaining, robotic and sadly, what can be for many… an unjust, painful way of life.
The S.Node of Neptune in Aquarius, can correlate to mental trauma on a collective level, due to these and other dynamics. Souls who are aligned with natural principles, which find themselves in environments that are in direct violation to those laws and principles, are at a higher risk to develop mental illnesses as they cannot integrate socially without going against those natural principles, which they know deep down to be the correct way to live their lives. It´s no wonder that so many people have escapist tendencies of all sorts as they attempt to numb out the madness/pain of living against their own core human needs and ultimate sense of what is right and wrong. It´s also not suprising that so many people in these times develop mental and emotional dis-eases. Diseases of all sorts that are “treated” or more correctly, supressed, with all sorts of chemical drugs which are often highly addictive or have dangerous implications for the health of the patient and, are labelled and sold as medicine. Of course this “medicine” is making those in the pharmaceutical industries and some in the medical professions, a lot of profit as they DECEIVE the general population that they care and are working hard and honestly to treat people. Of course there are many in the medical professions that do care too. Amazingly, the pharmaceutical companies and their “friends” in governments, other large and powerful organizations, banks and corporations that seek to profit and control others, lobby and manage to make natural cures and substances illegal or, simply make propaganda to discredit their effectiveness in treating illnesses. Basically, it´s a vicious cycle of deception and profitting off human, animal and plant-life misery, by those who promote and maintain the distorted Patriarchal way of life. One main way humans have been deceiving one another in this past century is thru the use of technological advancements that allow them to reach a vast amount of people via the use of radio, then television and now the internet, to brainwash and control the masses. This seems to be the S.Node of Neptune in Aquarius and the N.Node of Uranus which is in Gemini, expressed in a distorted way, correlating to the use of information, communication and technology such as computers, video cameras, and the world wide web, relative to the S.Nodes of Pluto, Saturn and Jupiter in Capricorn (ie the patriarchy), and to the current transit of Pluto in Capricorn, to keep the general population under increasingly tighter surveillance and control. We are most probably also headed for a world wide soceity that is run by computers with artificial intelligence, programmed by those in the shadows who have the power.
Something interesting to note, is that in ancient Matriarchal times there was no notion of time as we have today and, still today in some tribes there is no time as a measuring system as there is in most of the “civilized” world. On the other hand there is no personal property in some tribes which, with the absence of modern time measurements, creates a totally different way for the people in those tribes, of experiencing their environment and interacting with it. Personally owned land or the ability to accumulate land and pass it along to their children/heirs are not dynamics of such ways of life. This in turn leads to these native tribes only using what they need and little more of Earth´s natural resources and, without artificial time plus capitalist values, the people in those tribes, live without the stress of needing to be on time, against the clock, simply to make ends meat. There is a natural time, the time it takes to get from point A to point B but, not the stress of having to go to the office everyday at 8:00 am for the next 8 hours or be home at Noon sharp for lunch. They will have NATURAL RHYTHMS as their timing will be connected to their NATURAL ENVIRONMENT and not a distorted man made division of the days, weeks, months and years. Because of this, they are actually much healthier and, their awareness and emotional bodies are not filled with stressful thoughts and anxiety, as most people in the modern world experience on a regular basis. Even children in our modern societies experience much more stress and anxiety than is natural or necessary.
Just to note how disconnected from Nature we are in this day and age, I´d like to note that we have a calendar which was created to facilitate the collection of taxes and has nothing to do with the real planetary cycles. It´s my understanding that the Mayan calendar of 13 months, consisting of 28 days each month is accurate or more naturally accurate than what we have now, as it reflects the lunar cycles and the female menstrual cycle. Our current calendar and similar un-natural, human implementations, in order to control or profit, are the very essence of distorting that which is natural and true, which then in turn leads to people all over the planet deceiving primarily themselves and, then others, in order to survive or live with security and material wealth, as a way to live comfortably.
The problem is that most of the people born after the “patriarchal take over” and living in the world today, do not question their reality or how it is structured and, consequently ASSUME that the way humans attempt to live, as separate and superior to nature and, out of synch with their natural rhythms and cycles, is normal or, has always been that way or, is just human nature or some other rationalization. The list of deluded excuses and cliches is as vast as the ignorance of the masses alive today. Alll this to say, that this dynamic is where a lot of the DECEPTION in present human inter-relating originated. Some people even believe that humans are an evil cancer destroying the Earth, and while it´s true that we most surely can and do act as a cancer, we don´t necessarily have to do so. It´s man made brainwashing/deception of the masses that leads people to believe in such ideas.
With Venus being the ruler of the fourth house, occupied by Libra, and being conjunct Neptune in the 5th, with Pisces occupying the 8th and 9th houses, relative to the dynamics just described and the need for the majority to compete with one another for basic survival and material comfort, the individual can experience deception within the home, or family environment from a very young age and see it as a kind of norm or pre-requisite for survival, relative to the sharing of resources or even to satisfy their own emotional needs. With this combination, deception relative to the use and distribution of shared resources can be an every day reality. It can all basically be so distorted in the family environment, just as in the society of birth, that it´s business as usual for people to purposely lie to one another about a multitude of things and deceive one another as a natural way to respond to an un-natural way of life and familial/social power structures. It can become a method for a person in a weaker position to survive or get what they want or need. With this combination it can be present within the family of birth and the native, while very young can pick up this behaviour from a parent or others in the family. With Taurus occupying part of the tenth house and on the eleventh house cusp, and Venus conjunct Neptune in the fifth, some of these dynamics of deception can be experienced with parents, role models and friends and acquaintances or later in life with people in their professions. Someone with a Pisces S.Node of the Moon and all these planetary combinations can be very naive and trusting of all of humanity and even all living things, thus becoming easy prey for those who wish to use him/her for some reason or steal from them. Actually with the Lunar S.Node in the 8th in Pisces, Venus conjunct Neptune/fifth, people would of just needed to ask for whatever they wanted as the native with this combination would probably be happy to provide what others needed if he/she would be in a position to provide the help others needed. In turn the individual with these symbols may have no real sense of personal boundaries and may also be the one to use others or their resources as a kind of God/naturally given right.
With the S.Node of Neptune in the Seventh house one can “see” archetypically, thru the lens of Astrology, that the past search for ultimate meaning of this individualized Soul, has been relative to the act of giving and receiving in personal relationships. This involves giving and receiving on an equal basis, that leads to each person in the relationship having their projected needs met thru the involvement, thus leading to a sense of balance. Libra, the Seventh house and the outer expression of Venus all correlate to our desire and need for balance and equality between us and the other or others. This combination reflects a Soul that in the past had potentially developed to a point, at least, the ultimate values of sharing/inclusion and, attempted to give to others what they needed in any way possible, even thru self sacrifice. Or that others gave to this Soul in ways that could be sacrificial to their own personal needs, in order to fulfill the needs of the Seventh house S.Node of Neptune Soul, in a spirit of good faith. These dynamics would be idealized to the point of projecting them onto friends and acquaintances or on a larger scale to the whole of humanity, the animal and plant kingdom or for some, even outer space beings/aliens or inner space entities. Due to this, with Aquarius in the mix, the Soul can be easily deceived as it sees the whole of existence as connected and benelovent and, every other life or consciousness a potential friend. On the flip side, once the Soul is deceived and disillusioned with others in general, it can become good at deception by identifying with what individuals and the masses desire, value and identify with. This plus the acute sensitivity to the needs of others and, this Souls inherent abilities to “listen” to the other, plus it´s own desire for self preservation and survival, can lead to becoming good at deception itself.
With Aquarius on the 7th house combined with the S.Node of Neptune, it shows that the Soul has desired to be free at the same time it has engaged with others in relationships, in order to develop a detached sense of objective awareness of it´s own core needs and, to learn about the core needs of those that were in relationship with this Soul and, humanity at large, in order for each one to express their unique individuality to the fullest (S.Node ruler Uranus, in the 5th). The S.Node of Neptune in Aquarius is a position that we all share and it correlates to the ultimate sense of community and brotherhood we humans shared during the times of the Matriarchy or, to ultimate values that are deep within our psyches because it just seems right, because it is. It shows that although we were interconnected, we were also allowed or encouraged or desired to express our own unique-ness and, our own individuality (Aquarius) was sacred and highly valued (Neptune). This in most likelyhood because thru individual evolution and objective awareness, humans were able to develop tools (technological advances for those times) and/or different viewpoints and experiments that had the effect of helping the whole social circle or tribe survive and evolve and, because human and animal nature is meant to be free, just as true love comes freely.
What this placement shows, in the highest sense, is that this Soul has experienced or desired to experience total union with another or others in natural ways, that lead to deep experiences of losing personal boundaries and merging emotionally, mentally, physically and spiritually with others, as a way of experiencing and expressing divine love, bliss and experiencing deep unity with another, possibly in the hope to feel united with Universal or Source energy or to simply transcend limitations of time/space reality by feeling special feelings with another.
In a distorted sense it shows that the Soul acting in a spirit of self interest, may have decieved others in order to have it´s own projected needs met. This in turn sets up the dynamics Rad described about creating karma relative to deceiving others and, others in turn then deceiving the Soul in similar ways. It can correlate to an addiction to relationships and the belief that life without a partner is boring or that without a relationship one cannot be complete or even evolve in some cases. It can in turn, lead to the individualized Soul creating the delusion/self deception that it needs others in all sorts of exaggerated ways in order to evolve, grow and have a sense of meaning and belonging. This in turn can lead to the individual deceiving others in many ways in order to relate and have it´s projected needs met. Others who are living their own delusions and self deceptions can also deceive the individual and use him/her for their own needs of a similar nature. The end result are situations in which the deception is exposed for what it is but, generally the dynamic of deception will be “swept under the carpet” or supressed in some way by the consciousness of the one doing the deceiving, as it knows deep within itself that it´s naturally wrong to deceive others, leading to natural guilt but, as Rad said, finds rationalizations, in order to justify it´s behaviour. The one being deceived creates assumptions that the other will not abuse their confidence or deceive them, thus falls into the deception due to a lack of discrimination and/or lack of experience of these dynamics and how they operate in Earth´s current reality. Then the deceived can either rebel against these types of behaviour or, imitate and treat others to the same dynamics if necessary for survival or, to achieve some sort of goal of a personal nature.
Jupiter in Virgo in the second house, conjunct the N.Node new phase, and Mars balsamic, shows that in the highest sense, the individual will value honesty, integrity and courage and act instinctively in ways that reflect values of ongoing searches for personal meaning and truth in a direct way, that lead to a personal sense of inner value and self worth. With Neptune being ruled by Jupiter in Virgo in the 2nd, the individual can value the little things in life and, value being of service to others, instead of looking for ways to profit too much for him/herself. With Jupiter in this configuration, the person will value honesty and simplicity too much to be able to feel good from within if he/she deceives others unnecessarily, for profit or to get ahead in unnecessary ways. On the flip side, if the person is living in a victimized or distorted state, in which a healthy perspective is lost, the individual may cheat others in a big way (Jupiter) and not even realize it fully, in order to make money. His/her security needs for survival may be highly exaggerated to the point of having an insatiable appetite for material wealth, food or sexual pleasure, leading the individual to deceive others in order to satisfy his/her insatiable appetite. In this quest for satisfaction he or she may become a great sales man/woman and cheat others or exaggerate the value of what he/she sells, the importance or quality of the goods, never be satisfied with any profit margins and, simply be extremely greedy, as nothing is ever enough to fill up the inner void that planets in Virgo can feel, until there is an alignment with truth and, the perspective becomes a healthy one. Jupiter can exaggerate the survival needs of the second house and Mars conjunct Jupiter can be wasteful of resources or literally burn them, as with this aspect one can feel that there is always more and, the balsamic nature of the conjunction can translate into a belief that the universe will provide for the individual, no matter what happens.
With both planets on the N.Node it means that these dynamics have been worked on in past lives and specifically the life just prior to the current one. Indicating that the native can come into this life with certain values very well defined and, in this life he/she is meant to continue developing the values of survival thru service and develop honesty as a personality trait. Also, that these dynamics and attitudes will be natural for this individual and highly rewarding as he/she develops them further. With Jupiter on the N. Node of the Moon and trine the Moon in the sixth house, it will also be a re-stating of the Souls desire to develop itself and it´s values and ability to survive, in ways connected to nature, that reflect natural law (Jupiter). The Moon in the sixth in Capricorn, trine Mars, the N.Node, Jupiter and, sextile the S.Node in Pisces in the 8th, and in a grand trine to Chiron in Taurus in the 10th, can correlate to natural methods that this Soul will use to heal itself and others that are worked on in a consistent way, on a constant basis as the Soul desires to perfect and humble the Ego. Some methods may be thru the daily practice of Yoga or Martial arts or similar practices that thru dedication and a step by step process, humble the Ego in various ways, in order to learn about patience, as things have their “due process” dedication, effort and devotion. The sextile from the Moon to the S.node in Pisces, relative to Neptune and deception, indicates that the Soul, thru the Ego (Moon), can be open to, or will likely at key points, experience very deep, humbling and transformative experiences in it´s search for healing and, it´s spiritual evolution, as it ultimately values truth and searches for it with passion. Neptune in Sagittarius in the 5th.
With the ruler of the S.Node of Neptune (Uranus) in the 5th, in Scorpio, conjunct the Sun and Mercury, shows a desire in the past, to penetrate (Scorpio) to the very core of illusions that created trauma in the first place and to live life in a truly creative and empowered way (fifth house). It shows that this Soul may have been in positions of authority within a tribal community in the past and that there is a potential for the Soul to have used and possibly abused it´s influence or status in order to attract the opposite sex and satisfy it´s needs. It also shows that the Soul, because of the Sun´s conjunction to Uranus, will have memories deep within itself that directly correlate to traumas of abuses of power and trust (Scorpio). The Sun conjunct Uranus and Mercury in this context, correlate to the Souls desire to shed light (Sun) upon these past traumatic experiences/memories and, to mentally and empirically formulate concepts in order to understand them (Mercury) to eventually liberate from these traumatic memories (Uranus). With Uranus in the fifth house there will be in this life, a need to liberate from the need to be acknowledged as special and unique or superior to others so the Soul can free itself of such illusive dynamics. Mercury is also the ruler of the North Node of the Moon in this incarnation and is conjunct the ruler of the S.Node of Neptune, Uranus, which is also conjunct the ruler of the N.node of Neptune, the Sun. The nodal rulers of Neptune being in conjunction, reflect the ongoing continuation of past life dynamics, to be lived in new ways as shown by the new phase conjunction of the Nodal rulers. With the N.Node of the Moon in Virgo in the second house there is a need for humility in this lifetime and Mercury is conjunct the ruler of the 2nd house, the Sun and is in the fifth, indicating a need to use and develop one´s talents in ways that will lead to self sufficiency. With Mercury Rx conjunct the Sun and Uranus, the Soul will reject, in this context and lifetime, anything that is not relevant to it´s evolutionary intentions/needs to actualize itself and rebel against Patriarchal distortions. With both the South and North Nodal rulers of Neptune in Scorpio, conjunct the ruler of the Lunar North Node (Mercury) in the fifth house and, the Lunar North Node being in Virgo in the second house, relative to personal evolution and the need for humility, correlates to the need to purge (Scorpio) the Soul of past delusions of grandeur that lead to emotional, mental, physical and spiritual trauma. With the North Node in the second house it shows that relative to all these potential dynamics of deception, that by being totally self sufficient and working on the individuals self value, by developing talents and abilities, to learn that the value is in the effort and, thru learning to use discrimination and extreme personal honesty, he/she will minimize the need to deceive others and, minimize the ability for others to deceive this individual Soul and Ego in return.
With the North Node of Neptune in Leo in the first house, it shows that a new cycle relative to how the Soul actualizes itself or, acts on behalf of it´s ultimate ideals and values, must be initiated in this life. Relative to the Sun´s conjunction to the ruler of the N.Node of the Moon, Mercury, it shows the possible need to break free from dependencies on others and relationships in general to find it´s own sense of purpose, sustainability, and what is true and right by the use of it´s powers of discrimination. It shows that courage is necessary to simply be who one is (Leo N.Node and Nodal rulers in the 5th). The fact that it loops back to the fifth house but in Scorpio, shows that an attitude of no B.S. is necessary in order to acheive these goals of inner clarity relative to deception and self deception. To confront and eliminate any internal or external dishonesties that limit a true, creative expression of the self. These symbols reflect a need to be FREE from within to be able to initiate a brand new creative cycle. With the ruler of the N.Node of Neptune conjunct the ruler of it´s S.Node, both new phase in the fifth, reflects the need to initiate this new cycle in order to live relationships (7th house S.Node of Neptune) in new ways as this will be how the individual will be able to express him/herself to a higher potential. It reflects a need to believe in one´s self and in one´s dreams or to actually have dreams. Ultimately this Neptune placement asks for faith in the self to break free and express one´s self to the maximum potential. Neptune in the end, for all of us is about faith and it´s unique combination in each of our natal charts combined with our desire to have faith, can show us in what area we will need to surrender to a a higher power. In this case, with all these aspects, relative to natal Neptune also in the fifth, it seems to be able to surrender to the fact that the Source is the ultimate creator in one´s life and to have the faith to just go (1st house) in whichever direction we feel directed to go in, without the fear of being alone or, fear not succeeding to live up to our own high ideals or, whatever parts of us that wants to be in control, Saturn and Pluto mostly, does to hold us back.
With Gemini on the 12th house cusp with the rest of it occupied by Cancer and, Virgo on the third house cusp, relative to deceptive dynamics in the current life, there is a need to dissolve any form of communication and connections to others that lead to deceptive dynamics, since Cancer is also on the 12th, it shows that any form of emotional victimization of the self and the Ego´s excessive security needs are to be dissolved in order for deceptive tendencies to be replaced with honest communication of a mental end emotional nature. Cancer on the 12th can show that the individual can use crying as a form of deception too.
With Natal Neptune conjunct the South Node of Uranus, both in Sagittarius, we can see that this Soul´s search for ultimate meaning and connection to the divine will be thru natural law and the pursuit of truth and freedom, the understanding of cosmological belief systems and the breaking down/dissolving of the separation between these systems such as in religions or personal philosophies. It shows that this connection to natural law and metaphysics is not new to this Soul and, that there is a re-living or re-aligning with knowledge and principles of those times. Shamanism, Metaphysical, Esoteric and Hermetic knowledge are all possible areas of interest in the current lifetime as a way to re-connect to these ancient principles that are deep within the Soul´s memories. Due to the conjunction being new phase, there is a re-stating of the need for freedom for this Soul to pursue these types of experiences that lead to real knowledge connected to nature and natural law.
Natal Venus/Neptune in Sagittarius in the 5th, relative to the S.Node of Neptune in Aquarius in the 7th, and square Saturn in Virgo in the third house, correlates, in an ideal expression, to the Soul´s desire for new types of relationships in which the divine is experienced and expressed without restrictions. A desire to relate with transcendental qualities/values that can defy the laws of physics, or relate on a Soul level with others based on pure feelings and inconditional love. In Sagittarius in the fifth house there can be a need for total freedom to be whatever one truly is without restrictions to self expression or expansive search for truth, ultimate meaning of existence and connection to the cosmos. This can lead to a desire for a multitude of relationships at the same time or one after another in an indiscriminate way, which can be confusing to the individual as he/she is judged or criticized by those in the environment, due to going against what is socially expected behaviour, or by getting negative reactions from those in relationship with him/her due to a lack of boundaries. There may also be confusion as to who the individual truly wants to be with or if he/she wants to be in a committed relationship at all, due to the need for freedom and the desire for constant expansion. In order to deal with the confusion and not hurt others or not assume the true nature of the attractions to others, the individual may hide his/her real feelings about these dynamics, with the consequence of deceiving others intentionally or unintentionally. With Venus Square Saturn and conjunct Neptune, the individual may act like a child without any maturity and manipulate others in any way he or she feels like, with Saturn in this aspect there is a need to learn about emotional maturity and self reliance and, not do whatever it takes to get whatever one wants, including the use of deception. Venus and Neptune square saturn can also have a crisis in what to believe and not believe in the partners or others, therefore acting in underhanded ways that deceive others who relate with him/her as there can be a lack of trust in people due to painful past disillusionments of being deceived him/herself. There is also a possibility to deceive others, as the individual can be so sensitive to criticism and judgement from society in general, those in the environment or even siblings and people one communicates and interacts with (Saturn in the third house in Virgo), with a Pisces S.Node of the Moon in the 8th. This sensitivity can lead the individual to try and hide his/her inner nature and emotional vulnerabilites in order to not be judged or persecuted by others. The fear of persecution and judgement can be a fear that is in the memory of the Soul due to past lives of speaking one´s truth whether it fit into the mainstream ideals of the times or not. Due to these dynamics and the fear of persecution, whether real or not, plus the extreme emotional sensitivity of the Pisces S.Node of the Moon in the 8th, the individual can use emotional deception when dealing with others in the environment, as a survival/defensive mechanism or just not to be overwhelmed emotionally and psychologically by others who are energy leeches or simply too intense in some way which, has the result of effecting the individual in ways that are detrimental to his/her health (Pisces S.Node relative to the Moon in the sixth house).
Another concept that is connected to Neptune and can be considered a form of deception is evasion. A native with these symbols can relate to others by constantly evading them in various ways in order to avoid being judged or leeched or simply to maintain his or her privacy. This is done by passively allowing others to believe whatever they want, by being vague or by using one´s sensitivity to be “two steps ahead”, such as in not making eye contact or not allowing certain themes in conversations to be addressed. With all these symbols in the fifth house the native can be quite domineering and tend to know how to lead conversations and manipulate communication to go in the desired direction. Other possibilities for deception relative to the combination of these Astrological symbols are relative to one´s creative or other abilities which can be totally exaggeratted. Relative to children, someone can deceive their child to protect them or to use them in some way, the individual may have no boundaries and get women pregnant in extramarital affairs if a male and, deceive whoever is necessary to maintain the child a secret. If a woman, she may give birth to a child that is from an affair and deceive her husband and family by acting as if it´s the husbands child. Some could live double lives and have two homes and families and deceive everyone, while someone else could have a long time extra marital affair with a lover or, be married and always have someone on the side or, possibly, another who doesnt get in a real relationship but ends up with married or commited people, who can´t really give them what they need, and end up by generally deceiving themselves and their lover´s partner. Others can deceive relative to the desire for fun and games and possibly gambling, when the native doesn´t admit to having a gambling problem and depletes resources that were vital for the family or business. Others simply might not take life seriously and thus deceive others on a continual basis as they live life as a game and see no need for honesty, at least until they are the ones being deceived. In the fifth house, Neptune, can also deceive others about all sorts of things simply in order to receive the attention they crave, such as in the “Peter and the wolf” archetype, including exaggerations of their personal stories (Sagittarius) and dramatizations, which are lesser forms of deceptive behaviour and can be generally inoffensive but still dishonest and deceptive.
Another core issue relative to potential deception in a Patriarchal society, is relative to sexuality. With all these symbols, the Soul can have an intense sexual nature that may or may not be well accepted by the parents/family while growing up or by society in general when an adult and, therefore hide it´s highly sexual nature, leading the individual to have hidden or secret involvements with partners that may not be well accepted by the family or others in the environment, thus leading to the individual deceiving the family or others, in order to relate and have his/her needs satisfied without being judged. Due to intense sexual needs, coupled with the need for freedom, the individual can also use others and deceive them by using people sexually and moving along to the next thrill or adventure. Of course others can in turn do the same to the individual. Another potentiality relative to sexuality and deception could be a homosexual which hides his/her sexual orientation from others simply not to be judged or criticized. Some could go as far as having a heterosexual marriage in order to maintain appearances, thus deceiving all others including the marriage partner. In sexual expression, Neptune in the 5th relative to it´s S.Node in the 7th, the individual may pretend to enjoy him/herself in order to please the partner even if /he or she is not experiencing pleasure as in when a woman fakes an orgasm in order for the sexual act to be over with, without hurting the feelings of the partner, or when a man or woman over compliment the partner or their performance in order to make them feel good or secure. Some forms of deception are ligher than others, but still deception and painful when the truth is found out. In a more extreme sense, relative to these dynamics and with Pisces on the 8th with the S.node there, one could go as far as marrying for money and deceive others and one´s self emotionally, to the point of almost believing in that relationship, for financial security, status and power.
With Neptune in the 5th there can also be drug/alcohol/substance abuse problems due to the native desiring to simply have fun and party like there is no tomorrow, specially in Sagittarius, which in turn can lead to the individual deceiving others in various ways, such as in not admitting to the problem in the first place and pretending to be fine. Such as in stealing or, thru underhanded ways to generate money to support the drug and party addiction which, can lead to very deceptive behaviour, even to the point of stealing from friends and family. All sort of addictive behaviour is possible with Neptune and how it´s configured in this example, from sexual addiction to drugs or relationships… anything that ultimate meaning can be projected upon or, the desire to be larger than life or simply because of escapist tendencies, due to an extreme sensitivity to a harsh reality. With such dynamics one could be exposed to the streets, with Saturn square Neptune one could have to learn to get “street wise” and most probably be deceived and learn to deceive in return, even if just not to be deceived, as a defensive tactic. And last but not least, the deception of authorities in various ways when one doesn´t respect the boundaries and restrictions imposed on one´s self by not following the rules and breaking the law in various ways.
Transiting Neptune in the 8th house, conjunct the S.Node of the Moon at the time of this assignment, relative to deception, correlates to the need to confront and dissolve a sense of victimization relative to all 8th house dynamics that then in turn, leads to the individual Soul deceiving itself and others. It is an opportunity to become conscious and aware of dynamics that are preventing a direct perception of truth in any area of life that deception or illusions may be operating in. It´s a time in which a dissolution of past life egocentric structures and emotional behaviours that are not serving the Souls purpose any longer can and should be dissolved once and for all. A time for healing old wounds from past lives carried into and continued to be experienced in this life. A time for forgiving all others for past traumas relative to emotional and psychological abuses of power and betrayals of trust, including forgiving the self for these same reasons and/or releasing guilt that may have accumulated in the emotional body for having hurt others, intentionally or unintentionally. A time to let go of excessive financial security needs, sexual distortions, separating desires that are not in accordance to one´s spiritual development and, any and all addictions/escapist tendencies that may have been developed in this life or carried over from other lives. A time that can potentially indicate, depending on the native, a desire to unite and merge with the Source of creation in such a way as to be able to experience the Source directly, in ways that can prove to the individual Soul and/or others, the deepest possible truths about itself and existence.