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« Reply #60 on: Mar 24, 2014, 06:23 PM »

Hi Simon, Emily and Katherine,
Thank you for your posts! I look so forward to reading them I will continue my responses tomorrow later afternoon and Wed afternoon.
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Ari Moshe
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« Reply #61 on: Mar 24, 2014, 09:58 PM »

Dear Ari ,thank you for your answer, and i wait with baited breath to go into the answers and themes about polarities points  in a chart and to see how they work together.their does seem to me two distinct themes alive in each chart or alive in each soul. First their is the whole evolutionary journey ,where the soul is in a process of growing, and this is linear , and to understand this is of course is  of the highest importance, but then their is this other reality which stems from the fact that on some deep level the soul is at heart already   that which it seeks to be. where and how and to what extent this shows in a chart i am not sure? but this is just as important a reality for each soul to become aware of ,  that on some deep level, evolution is a kind of illusion on a deep level itself, Am I speaking EA blasphemy here , i hope not .Be cause it is my powerful contention that for each soul on a deep soul level their is a place of no problem, a place of stillness beyond evolution, and that their is a place where the soul has NO problems at all, This and the process of linear evolution are in reality not mutually exclusive. but can sit together  but are just different aspects of reality. Their is a danger when only describing the evolutionary dimension of the soul,to to see the whole process of life as a series of problems to overcome . the whole process of growth implies there is already something wrong to be overcome something missing. Which on one level is of course true . But their is this very real dimension of reality that tells us all that their is with in each of us a silence a stillness place where their is absolutely nothing at all to be gained . I think we have all felt that place and that very very important reality. AND IT HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH EVOLUTION. thanks.as ever in this early process of learning it is essential o question the very fundamentals of a particular doctrine,this of course then brings about many further questions , for instance the nature of God itself.Is God Imperfect as seems to be the contention of EA, And is in the process of perfecting him?her self in each individuals process of evolution and the evolution of the creation itself . or is God perfect, For ever Perfect ,and is this whole apparent process of becoming just a leela a play . perhaps both are true . We are moving into the realm of paradox ,where are little minds flounder . But theses are not i believe purely academic, mind issues . but in the end the conclusions we come to about theses are fundamental truths will  form the way we are as astrologers and how we give chart readings ,with love Gino
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« Reply #62 on: Mar 25, 2014, 04:28 PM »

Hi Simon, thank you for your post!

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Pluto:
The symbol Pluto though EA linked with the archetype of desire. The nature of desire is linked with 2 dynamics. Compulsion and Repulsion. To separate from source and to return to source.
Pluto also is linked with the unconscious emotional security patters of the soul. This is part of the experience in which we we find security in the past. The natural reaction of the soul is to then move towards the natal position. In there lies the empowerment due to feeling secure in the known. The polarity point reflecting the evolutionary intent.

'' As per Ari teaching - Natal Pluto
The natal position of Pluto represents the kinds of desires the soul has had in the past that has lead to this life. Inherent in Pluto, by house sign and aspects, is a long and deep process of generating and exhausting desires. Cycle after cycle...''

11th House.

The archetype of the 11th house / Uranus / Aquarius functions in these ways.

Following the natural evolution of the zodiac- the process of Capricorn The crystallization of energy / conscious form.
And as being a function of the earth triad.

If you mean Aquarius, then it is a part of the air triad

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Uranus / Aquarius / 11th is to be the action of detaching from the molded structure. This leads to liberation. The breaking free from the Capricorn process. This is to allow for evolution to continue. To not get stuck withing systems that eventually will be out dated.

The process of Aquarius / 11th / Uranus
One the more personal level the symbols represent the reflection of groups communities and individual unconscious. The polarity of Aquarius is Leo. The intention is for the creative self-expression to be reflected through the Aquarius polarity(groups) allow for the identification of the self to be defined by the groups and associations it is then part of.

Not defined by groups. Defined would bring in a Saturn element to it.

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The Aquarius 11th Uranus archetype also correlate to the extended family dynamic, this being connection to the 4th house / Cancer archetype within the zodiac.

The extended family reflecting the groups in which the soul is apart of. Dreams aspirations are all apart of the archetype as Uranus 11th Aquarius reflects the blueprints of the future. Trauma is also reflected in this archetype.

I'm not sure about dreams per se. Dreams are Pisces. Since the 11th house symbolizes the "blueprint" of the soul in its most individuated form, it implies a unique individuated potential that reflects the unique intelligence of Creator. Nothing and no one is like it - in the same way that a seed contains the blueprint for the tree it will become.

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Pluto 11th house or Aquarius.

Souls that are coming into this incarnation have previously being living lives in which 3 main dynamics have been taking place.

Relative to the Capricorn archetype - being under conditions in which suppression are main dynamics, slave ect. This then leads the soul to a point in which the nature of liberation from suppression is taking place. The archetype of finding one's own individuality is now starting to take place.

A great reference to this would be a soul moving out of 3rd stage consensus into first stage individuated. The process of moving through the stage can cause trauma dynamics relative to the judgments of Capricorn consensus state.

Great, and this can happen by way of not fitting into the same groups or circles of friends. The main fear here would be one of "being different". This is where the 5th house polarity point comes in: to express one's creative uniqueness. Otherwise the soul might either dissociate so that they can "fit in" or isolate.

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The other experience is that the soul has been living lives in which it has been leading group dynamics - and causing the souls to be suppressing their individuality. This can also lead souls into attracting to it karma in which it now has to face rejection dynamics from the group.

Another dynamic within the Pluto 11th house or Aquarius archetype is to find there own sense of individuality within the group and to not let the soul become apart of the groups identity. This will be enforced by the soul in some way. There will be something different within the souls conscious that will create this expression being different.

The soul can find security with the group identity. Still staying in the realms of Capricorn. This will lead the soul into not being able to reflect its true identity thus causing distortion. Suppressed emotions. Again the Capricorn function.

Another process is where the soul finds its sense of identity being different from the groups identity and then still sacrificing itself.
This process is to make the soul aware that the act of liberation. To be able to then through the act of liberation find the sense of who I am, by experiencing different groups. To stay within a group when the dynamics change. In other words not hold on.

Another way in which the dynamics can play out is when a soul chooses to have complete objectivity and find itself being unable to integrate within group dynamics. This leads to a series of dynamics in which the soul then is unwilling to sacrifice its own sense of self. This can also lead the soul into not being able to understand more of itself because it cannot have the reflection of the group and what it represents. Never having the opportunity to creatively express itself.


So for souls that are coming into this incarnations group dynamics will be the lessons in which it draws upon itself. Liberation from pre-existing patterns of behavior. To establish a new a fresh sense of creative self-expression through the Polarity Point LEO.


The Polarity point of Pluto
In this life time is too consciously integrate the creative self in to the group dynamics. To experience and express a unique sense of self. The Soul through this archetype will learn to through this dynamic to find its own sense of creative expression. To not allow for outdated patterns of expression to be defined as its own sense of identity. To honor its unique individuality in all situations so it can gradually find group and community dynamics that allow for the soul to be able to integrate. This as explained above is a important aspect because as through the reflections of the group the soul can be find it's own expression.

Thank you again for this opportunity to learn.

Everything you wrote expresses possibilities for how this signature can express and you also touched upon the essence of the 11th house.
With love
Ari Moshe
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« Reply #63 on: Mar 25, 2014, 06:04 PM »

Hi Emily, thank you for your post!

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Pluto in the 11th house/Aquarius

With Pluto in the 11th house the soul has been desiring to decondition from all that has come before – from conditioning acquired in prior lives and in the current life from family and society. The soul is desiring to detach and view itself objectively.  The desire is to let go of all that isn’t the essential nature of the soul – to be a unique, individual expression of source in a world of other individuals.  The soul has joined with others who match its own vibration in groups of like-minded people or been a group of one as it further individuates and the vibration of the group no longer matches its own.  It has been rebelling against groups that it feels different from, or from groups that reject the soul as different.  The bottom line desire is to gain deep self-knowledge in a detached manner.  The soul has been attracted to groups of like-minded individuals, may have been isolated from groups/tribes at some point, and may have caused trauma for other groups of people.  Because of the desire to decondition and individuate (in a consensus, individuated, or spiritual sense) the soul feels very different from others.

Excellent. And the soul can also feel intensely LIKE others. IE being completely identified with a group: merging with the group as a symbol of power it wants to osmose and become.

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The soul’s greatest resistance to change is its fear of being different and possibly ostracised (or the fear of losing individuality)?

Yes

 
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The soul is desiring to break free from whatever has conditioned itself in the past – it has been allowing itself to be under the control of beliefs, ideas, values that are not its own.  There is fear of letting go of the perceived security it finds in being accepted by a group or blindly following the lifestyles of others.  The dual desires are; the desire to peel back the layers of conditioning which are preventing the soul from experiencing and expressing itself as it is, and the desire to perpetuate the past.  Pluto in the 11th has gone and continues to go through cycles of throwing off identities that do not reflect its true nature.  When the pressure within the soul is strong enough, it will break away from limiting conditions of the past.  There is the potential that it will go very far – exiling itself from society, not wanting to be a part of it at all – feeling its individuality is totally threatened by others.  Depending on the level of resistance to objectively viewing itself and letting go of conditioning, the soul may experience traumatic events – being isolated from society, losing the support of friends or extended family, losing the means to support its current lifestyle(?),

If by "means" you mean to imply personal finances/resources then the Taurus archetype would have to be involved in some way. If "means" implies what you stated above as well as group resources/funds, then yes.

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or experience a deep inner loss of meaning in the life it has been living to this point(more Pisces?).


Yes that phrase feels more Pisces to me.

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The intention is to force self examination and to identify with oneself on a deeper level, beyond Capricorn reality.   In some cases of resistance and fear the soul will cling to some outmoded idea.

Polarity Point 5th House
The soul as a unique expression of oneness can shine through with Pluto in the 11th by embracing the 5th house polarity point.  By fully embracing its uniqueness and its gifts and the uniqueness and gifts of others, it can then be helpful to society.  Though there may have been a lot of isolation in the past and the soul may gravitate towards separating from society - the intention is to be seen.  Because these souls are deconditioning/deconditioned they can be innovative and revolutionary.  The soul will identify itself with all of humanity and offer something through itself that is relevant to the needs of others, not just its own self.  By seeing who it is when it isn’t playing a conditioned/socially assigned role, the soul frees itself to open to more of reality - and it can create a new role for itself in society that reflects its true nature and allows its gifts to come through.  Consistent effort is required to root the brilliance of the 11th house within society.  The soul still needs to work with time and space (earth).

"Roles" and "consistent effort to root brilliance within society" are not inherent to the 11th house archetype and its polarity point. It's more about just being oneself, no roles per se. Example: if the whole group eats with forks and the 11th house Pluto has the sudden idea to eat with their hands, then if the the soul eats with their hands they are expressing a unique creative expression which has the potential to inspire and enliven other people.

It's probable that some people may be triggered by that, while some may start adopting the same behavior. This can then create from within the group a subculture of people who eat with their hands. And yet how many of the souls in this subculture are living according to their own innate freedom? It's easy for anyone in any group to lose touch with their own individuality. When the desire to return to Source is strongest, then the innate individuality of the soul will begin to shine and express through the individual no matter what that looks like.

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Consensus State:
This is confusing to me because Aquarius symbolizes breaking away from the consensus and in the consensus state the desire is to be fully part of the consensus – it is taking on more and more conditioning in order to get ahead.  So I suppose here the fear of being different would be extreme.  The soul would view being different as a threat to its social acceptance and ability to get ahead.  A consensus state soul will adopt the conditioning of its family and culture.

The individuation process occurs at every level of consciousness. For example when a soul is transitioning into 2nd stage consensus it will begin to recognize various groups of people within society that seems to represent something it is not. It will become progressively focused on that until it can in some way merge with that which it perceives. The soul might also find it necessary to "shed" or dissociate from groups and friends it previously associated with so that it can further in society in the ways it is desiring to.

Or in the 3rd individuated we have all kinds of subgroups occurring within the consensus culture like groups such as the tea party. To me the movie "pleasantville" is a great way to understand in part how the Aquarius archetype through the consensus state. At first everyone in pleasantville was the same as everyone else. Then some people began changing. At some point in that movie those who were not "changing" formed a group of their own which was essentially "the non changing group" and so on...

Another example: most western religions. Judaism for example never had "reform or orthodox" sects. Orthodoxy was only created as a result of a group of people choosing to reform.

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Individuated State:  
This is very much the process of an 11th house soul.  As the soul progressively exhausted the desire to get ahead in the consensus state, it learned how the system worked, worked it and now is manifesting different desires.  The soul is desiring to know itself as separate from what society tells it it is.  An 11th house individuated soul will be exploring the ‘counter-culture’ and alternative lifestyles.  They will be forming bonds with others who feel alienated from society, will explore completely rejecting integrating into society in any way (out of fear of losing their individuality) and then come to bring the gifts they have uncovered in themselves to humanity, maintaining their individuality.

Spiritual State:  
A spiritual state soul with Pluto in the 11th could be deconditioning from ways of spiritualizing that are not of an individual nature.  There will be an attraction to spiritually oriented communities and also the need to find one's own path.  As the soul progressively desires to directly connect with and return to Source, it will be letting go of all external identifications.  The soul will begin to vibrate more consciously in tune with source.

All well said. You expressed many possibilities for this signature and also touched upon the universal essence of this archetype.
With love
Ari Moshe
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« Reply #64 on: Mar 25, 2014, 08:23 PM »

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Hi Katherine, thank you for your post!

Pluto 1st house

Pluto symbolically represents the Soul itself and its process over many lifetimes as it seeks to return to Source by exhausting any and all separating desires experienced on the physical plane.  The prior life evolutionary desires and karmic history set up the present life personality structure, essentially picking up where it left off.  The referencing of what has come before (the past) leads to the compulsions to maintain a sense of security through self-consistency. This creates an internal conflict within the Soul as it oscillates (via free will) between resisting or cooperating with its growth and evolution.
 
The desires emanating from a Soul become conscious within an individual through the interface of Mars. The continuous state of becoming is experienced subjectively through Mars/ Aries/ ASC/ 1st  with a need for absolute freedom to act upon those core desires.  The crisis of birth  (and the original anxiety of separation) is reflected in the natural inconjunct from the 8th to the 1st creating the subconscious fear of entrapment. In all people this intrinsic stress to consciousness generates a psychology of anxiety around becoming overly committed or entrapped within circumstances that limit the essential need to become.

While Pluto in any of the cardinal houses signifies a new Soul cycle, Pluto in the 1st house really punctuates the absolute importance of freedom and independence that are required in order to actualize a special destiny waiting to be discovered.  This is a Soul that has operated instinctually from impulses that are felt intensely on a gut level, as opposed to conceptually formulated cues. First-hand experience is the operative vehicle of awareness.  The need to fulfill any desire or experience deemed necessary for the Soul’s development is paramount. The immediacy of potential experience and the need to act on it at any time keeps this signature aloof.  Allegiance is to the self is of prime importance, which points to the reputation for narcissism or self-centeredness.  The characteristics associated with this signature archetypically are: intense, magnetic, defiant, courageous, a penetrating gaze and physical strength.

Yet, Pluto’s need for consistency, perspective, and the why of any desire or action sets up a cyclical implosion of identity.  Eventually, stagnation, limitation, and restriction are eliminated by initiating new experiences and action relevant to where the individual is in process.  A frustration or anger can be projected upon those seen as a barrier to the individual’s freedom.  The Soul will reach a limitation in its growth of existing in a vacuum of personal reference and isolation from others. 

The Pluto Polarity Point (PPP) of the 7th house is where the Soul can receive perspective to the questions of “who am I” “what am I” and will attract others who can assist them in their evolutionary requirements.  There will be an instinctive attraction or repulsion toward certain individuals. This attraction may physical or sexual in nature, although not necessarily acted upon.  The dynamic of repulsion can arise when those they feel deeply attracted to threaten on some level the existing nature of their reality.  Total rejection, wholehearted pursuit, or a combination of attraction and repulsion are all possibilities.

Within relationship the theme of dominance emerges where one can dominate, be dominated, or operate on the basis of equality.  Equality is the lesson here of respect for another’s needs, and unique evolutionary requirements.  This balancing of their own needs and the open recognition and acknowledgment of the legitimate needs of others hones the ability to listen, and ultimately give that the other needs without losing themselves in the process.
Pluto in the 1st can become a courageous example to others to become aware of the nature of their desires and express their individual nature and how to determine which of those desires should and should not be actualized.


God Bless,
Katherine

Everything you have written is an accurate and well expressed description of the essence of Pluto in the 1st.
With love,
Ari Moshe
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« Reply #65 on: Mar 25, 2014, 11:18 PM »

Hello dear Gino,

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Dear Ari ,thank you for your answer, and i wait with baited breath to go into the answers and themes about polarities points  in a chart and to see how they work together.their does seem to me two distinct themes alive in each chart or alive in each soul. First their is the whole evolutionary journey ,where the soul is in a process of growing, and this is linear , and to understand this is of course is  of the highest importance, but then their is this other reality which stems from the fact that on some deep level the soul is at heart already   that which it seeks to be.

This is true. Source isn't actually "somewhere to get to".

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where and how and to what extent this shows in a chart i am not sure?

The archetype of "truth" itself is Neptune, Pisces, 12th house. Whereas the desire nature of the soul which also correlates to choice and the archetype of "Free will" is Pluto, Scorpio, 8th house.

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but this is just as important a reality for each soul to become aware of ,  that on some deep level, evolution is a kind of illusion on a deep level itself, Am I speaking EA blasphemy here , i hope not .Be cause it is my powerful contention that for each soul on a deep soul level their is a place of no problem, a place of stillness beyond evolution, and that their is a place where the soul has NO problems at all, This and the process of linear evolution are in reality not mutually exclusive. but can sit together  but are just different aspects of reality.

The perception of "problems" is just a perception and is entirely relative to a soul's unique karmic and evolutionary dynamics.

Evolution is by no means linear. To return to the caterpillar chrysalis butterfly analogy: it's not a 1 step 2 step 3 step kind of process (like playing a video game. You "beat" one level then go on to the next). It's phases of newness, growth, culmination, transition etc. same with the soul on it's evolutionary journey. We all go through phases where we develop, play out and culminate some sort of identity. Evolution occurs through the emotional body and the emotional body is by no means linear!

It's a longstanding patriarchal projection on God, spirituality and humans that there is "somewhere to go" and that most of us are "far away" from this place. Many souls have come to believe that there is a split between spirit and flesh, emotions and Self realization; that they are antithetical to one another. So much of what is natural has been repressed and judged on the basis that it is a distraction from God, from the Truth.

A natural way for understanding the evolution of the soul is just the same as we might understand the nurturing of a child into adulthood. We want to support thee child to be exactly where they are and to only take the next step from where they are. The child isn't thinking about it in terms of "ok! I passed the teddy bear stage! One day I'll start my own business then I'll be fulfilled." The child's probably more concerned with Leggos. It's a continual process of becoming, all life experience and the child is completely present for each part of it.

God meets us completely at every stage of our soul growth. We are held and loved and supported to be exactly where we are. It's only our own self created judgement and hierarchies which impedes on the natural blossoming of our own soul growth. From the point of view of God, Love, which is the only real point of view, there is no judgement and there is no problem.

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Their is a danger when only describing the evolutionary dimension of the soul,to to see the whole process of life as a series of problems to overcome .
the whole process of growth implies there is already something wrong to be overcome something missing. Which on one level is of course true . But their is this very real dimension of reality that tells us all that their is with in each of us a silence a stillness place where their is absolutely nothing at all to be gained . I think we have all felt that place and that very very important reality. AND IT HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH EVOLUTION. thanks.

Growth doesn't mean there is something wrong to be overcome at all.

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as ever in this early process of learning it is essential o question the very fundamentals of a particular doctrine,

It is very good to question the fundamentals of a doctrine. I'm called to gently remind you to be mindful of your inner motivations and intentions when doing so.

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this of course then brings about many further questions , for instance the nature of God itself.Is God Imperfect as seems to be the contention of EA, And is in the process of perfecting him?her self in each individuals process of evolution and the evolution of the creation itself . or is God perfect, For ever Perfect ,and is this whole apparent process of becoming just a leela a play . perhaps both are true .

My view on that is different than what Rad has taught here. If you'd like to inquire further into that you can ask on another thread.

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We are moving into the realm of paradox ,where are little minds flounder . But theses are not i believe purely academic, mind issues . but in the end the conclusions we come to about theses are fundamental truths will  form the way we are as astrologers and how we give chart readings ,with love Gino

What's most important for you to concern yourself with are the choices you make on your own soul path Gino.
With love,
Ari Moshe
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« Reply #66 on: Mar 26, 2014, 01:06 PM »

Dear Ari, as everything you very much for your answers ,as ever a lot to ponder and to understand , One point though, I was a little surprised  at your response to my question about the fact that in the beginning it helps to question the fundamentals of doctrine , Surly it is an essential part of the learning process to question. Not in some negative sense , but in the spirit of genuine enquirer . Did i detect a mild warning here ! to be mindful of my inner motivations . I just wonder what you are alluding to , ? what possible inner motivations may i have that have any negative connertations  . I am only seeking the truth , I can not then accept anything simply as gospal. And have to question all . But often by taking the position of devils advocate ,one stimulates the real truth .  Of course this is a thread that is about EA, and takes EA as a truth , yet to learn we must be free to question ?
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« Reply #67 on: Mar 27, 2014, 08:04 AM »

Hi Gino,
I acknowledge that it was not necessary for me to say that, and it was not intended a warning. You are so welcome and invited to ask questions here in exactly the way that works for you to do so. Your participation here has been a really beneficial contribution to the community.
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Ari Moshe
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« Reply #68 on: Mar 27, 2014, 08:10 AM »

Hello everyone!
Thank you all so much for all of your participation in this thread. If you haven't already, let me know if you still intend to post on this segment.
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Ari Moshe
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« Reply #69 on: Mar 27, 2014, 12:36 PM »

Hallo Ari, thank you for clarifying my query about my motivations  as far as questioning basics are concerned.Are you thinking of closing the this thread, your last post asking if people are going to make more posts ? I for one thought we were just beginning , having covered to some extent Pluto in given houses . I thought we were going to move into exploring polarity points and the  how the trilogy's flower and manifest in the chart . You did also suggest that if i wished to know the difference between yourself and Rad as far as your ideas of Gods working in the chart I should start a new thread . i certainly want to understand and be able to evaluate all the different nuances  that different people hold . Do I need to start a new thread to do so !?? many thanks Love and Light Gino
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« Reply #70 on: Mar 27, 2014, 07:58 PM »

Hi Gino,

I'm not closing the thread. I only asked in case there are others who still intend to post before moving to the next phase.

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You did also suggest that if i wished to know the difference between yourself and Rad as far as your ideas of Gods working in the chart I should start a new thread.

The specific question I suggested you start a new thread about is this question:

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Is God Imperfect as seems to be the contention of EA, And is in the process of perfecting him?her self in each individuals process of evolution and the evolution of the creation itself . or is God perfect, For ever Perfect ,and is this whole apparent process of becoming just a leela a play . perhaps both are true .


It's not something I can speak to as I don't share that view of God being imperfect. Therefore if you'd like to learn more about what has been taught in EA about God and imperfection, then you go ahead and start a thread for that. You can also find several quotes regarding that in the EA glossary and search function here.

 
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i certainly want to understand and be able to evaluate all the different nuances  that different people hold . Do I need to start a new thread to do so !??

I really understand the desire to want to understand and evaluate all the different nuances that different people hold. However please understand that this message board is not intended for that approach. This message board is specifically just for learning and practicing the paradigm of EA as taught by Jeff Green.

Since you are asking a question I cannot answer, to learn more ask in a different thread and someone else will respond.

Also, I have the intuition to share this with you. In case you haven't read this yet check this link out as it clarifies the specific parameters of this message board:
http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php?topic=105.0
I share this only so that you can know exactly what the parameters/intentions of this message board are in case you have not yet seen that page.

With love,
Ari Moshe
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« Reply #71 on: Mar 27, 2014, 08:45 PM »

Thank you again for the clarification and the rule boundary's as as the MB are concerned ,i have no intention of causing disruption,
and will explore wolfs basic ideas as far as EA and Gods position in it are concerned. i will serch out the glossary and then if necessary start a thread. I have not been firing on all cylinders and working as in intensely as i would wish ,as i have been in the middle if disruptive building work in my home which will come to an end shortly, Again ari thank you with your patience with me i am just ine of theses persons that do not like to leave any stone unturned and have an insatiable appetite ( compulsion ) to understand ALL, must be my 9th house Pluto with several planets in the 8th House  with Love Gino
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« Reply #72 on: Mar 30, 2014, 08:14 PM »

Hi Ari,
 thank you for your response to my post on Pluto in the eighth house. I really appreciate
your thoughtful qualification of a higher vibration possibility to the addendum I made to my
original post. I just wanted to let you know that I will be on an astrological retreat until Friday and I won't have internet access as I do not have a laptop at this point. I will jump back into the thread as soon as I am able when I get back.
                   Thanks again for your efforts in this thread 
                                               be well
                                                           Mike
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« Reply #73 on: Mar 30, 2014, 11:06 PM »

Mike, you are so welcome. Enjoy the retreat!

Everyone, I am needing to fully focus on my personal life this week. Next week, or later this week we will begin the next segment: the lunar nodes! I'm really excited for that. Thank you everyone for being a part of this journey with me.
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Ari Moshe
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« Reply #74 on: Apr 07, 2014, 09:14 PM »

Hello everyone! We are now ready to begin exploring the lunar nodes.

Ego and the Moon
I want to start first by talking about the nature of the ego as well as the general meaning of the astrological Moon. The Moon itself correlates to our ego. Our self image/ self identity describes our ego. Who we think we are; our identity directly determines what we will and will not take in in each moment of our lives. Jeff Green has described the Moon as how the soul will embrace change on a moment to moment basis. The word vibration “embrace” is absolutely a great word to use for the Moon. Embrace means we are accepting, allowing to be ok, recognizing as safe. Implicit in that statement as well is that there will always be threshold to every ego structure that cannot be surpassed. In other words the ego simply WON’T take in what the soul is not ready to take in.

And yet the ego itself does change. If we all think of who we were (our self image, who we thought of ourselves to be) 10 years ago – is it not different than who we think ourselves to be today? Our self image 10 years ago served as the filter through which we related to ALL of our experiences. It was the rose colored glasses through which we saw our entire reality.

In EA, the question that we will ask is always “why” would any particular soul have a particular ego construct at any point in time. The way to approach the answer to that question is to understand that our ego, our self identity, ALWAYS points to a deeper behind the scenes reality: the soul. Your self image 10 years ago was absolutely relevant and useful for your evolutionary needs at that time. As you evolved (exhausting old desires and generating new ones) your self-image naturally changed. The ego follows the soul like a dog follows the alpha.

At every level of evolution there will be an ego construct that will reflect the soul’s level of evolution. The soul is not free from an ego while in human incarnation. In the latter stages of evolution the ego will simply reflect a soul that is simultaneously aware of its unique individuality and its oneness with Source - in other words, a soul that is conscious of itself as being a soul.

The nodes
Every planet (including the Moon) has a south node and a north node. The south nodes and north nodes of all the planets reflect the principle that this life is but one chapter in a long series of incarnations. Where we are now implies a context that has lead to this present moment. The position of the planets in the natal chart symbolize the functions that are operative in the current life: the present moment. However each of these planetary functions are CONDITIONED by the past – their own south nodes.

In general, via the desire to evolve, the soul can make choices in the present moment that reflect its evolutionary potential and intentions. When that happens the natal planet takes on an expression that is increasingly conditioned by its north node. The natal planet is always the present moment function. The present moment will either be a re-live/recreation of the known the past, or reflect the soul's desire to evolve.

The lunar nodes
The Moon represents the ego of the current life – and thus will represent how the soul was nurtured (or not nurtured), emotional memories from the current life that has shaped the soul’s identity, how the soul will adopt to circumstances in a way is safe for where its at at the time. Yet this current life Moon, ego structure is not coming out of no where. Each soul has had MANY ego structures before. The current life ego (Moon placement) can only be accurately understood in the context of it’s south node.

The south node of the Moon symbolizes the kinds of identities the soul has created in the past. If the Moon represents the archetype of "mother" then then south node represents the totality of what has nurtured and held the soul in it's prior lives. It's the "home" that it grew up in.

The south node of the Moon represents the emotional memories and self-identification from prior lives that the soul will come into this life with. It is the most intimate and ingrained symbol of identity in the natal chart.

The “why” behind the south node is again easy to grasp by way of understanding that the ego always reflects the soul. The south node of the Moon reflects the kinds of desires that the soul has had in the prior life that has lead to the creation of the current life (Pluto). In other words, Pluto is the "why" behind the south node.

The north node of the Moon symbolizes a way of embracing change and a new self identity that allows for soul growth. Developing the north node of the Moon activates the Pluto polarity point: evolution.

Here are some further thoughts on the lunar south node:
The south node doesn't inherently imply regressive or progressive qualities. Some ego’s are really nice, some egos are really mean. There are lots of different ego’s out there. The main thing to understand again is that there is always a soul reason for why any soul will manifest any particular ego structure at any point in time.

To provide a very simplified example: If a soul has the sn in Sagittarius it may mean that the soul has lived past lives leading up to this one of constant seeking. It may have sought out teachers, traveled all over the place, become very identified with various beliefs and ideas. It may have developed a very restless attitude towards life; always thinking of and searching for the meaning of things and never satisfied with where it is. The soul may suffer from the “grass is always greener” syndrome which keeps it mentally and physically moving around all the time to “find” that higher truth/business sale/spiritual experience etc. The soul also may have really learned a lot along the journey and amassed a deep inner wisdom as well. It may have a strong intuition and be natural at teaching.

In the current life, the soul will have the emotional memory of what it has been and thus carry forth all the personality qualities that it has developed in the past that match the soul's inner reality.

The south node can imply aspects of the identity that are both fruitive and useful (such as being a skilled teacher) as well as karmic dynamics that need to be re-lived in order to be resolved (such as believing oneself to already “know” everything which will set up various circumstances in the soul's life in order to learn that there is a lot that it doesn't know).

A fruitive condition will represent areas of personal development that the soul brings into this life that can be used in a way that is relevant and supportive to the soul’s current life evolutionary intentions. A re-live condition represents unresolved karmic dynamics from the past that need to be re-lived in order to be resolved.

In rare cases we will find a lunar south node that purely expresses only a fruitive condition or only a re-live condition. In most cases it’s a combination of both. It is not possible to determine the condition of the south node unless you actually observe the individual. The natal chart by itself is an empty map: it does not imply any specific possibility or reality. Only once we apply the soul context to the natal chart does the chart come alive.

Further thoughts on the lunar north node:
The north node represents the evolutionary direction and potential of the soul in the current life. Embracing it is a matter of choice. Choice reflects desire. The north node symbolizes the identity that becomes a new filter for integrating and perceiving reality for the soul. To embrace the north node implies that the soul is willing to let go of its resistance to change. The north node activates evolution.

One thing I want to clarify that is commonly misunderstood about the nodes: the south node isn’t something that the soul sheds or gets rid of. The person with the sn in Sag who is a skilled teacher will not lose their skills as a teacher. By way of the embracing the north node, the south node defacto takes on a more healthy and balanced expression. For example by embracing and appreciating the Gemini principle of many perspectives and many points of views, the soul with the south node in Sag heals and brings into balance any latent self righteousness and thus can be an even more accessible and compassionate teacher (sag).

When we develop our north node identity, 2 things happen simultaneously. This is a beautiful principle within creation: We fulfill our soul's personal destiny/ evolutionary potential (north node, Pluto polarity point) and at the same time we resolve and transmute our past karma (south node/ Pluto as re-shaped by way of embracing the north node/ Pluto polarity point).

So to start, we are going to focus for now only on the lunar nodes. What I'd like everyone to do is to pick any nodal polarity (i.e. Aries Libra, Sag Gemini etc) and examine the polarity in the context of the south and north node. Consider the following questions:

What kind of identity has this soul developed in the past that it is bringing right into this life (sn)? What are some possibilities for how this identity may express? What is the intended/potential identity development of the soul as a reflection of the soul's desire to evolve (nn)? How does developing the north node identity correct/heal unresolved karma within the south node?

You can do this by just sign (or house) or mix and match your own sign/house combo. If you so desire, you can also work with these polarities in both directions (I.E Aries sn - Libra nn, then Libra sn - Aries nn). You are welcome to apply evolutionary stages in whatever way you want to as well.

Eventually, we will add Pluto and the polarity point to our practices so that we can determine the underlying "why" behind the ego. At some point we will also add the Moon so that we can develop a more full understanding of the relationship between the soul and the ego.

I highly recommend reviewing the message board/ the EA glossary for teachings on the lunar nodes and the ego. Here are some really good quotes from Rad and Steve that express the essence of the lunar nodes.

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The South Node correlates to our past life habitual emotional patterns, created relative to the Soul’s desire nature, brought into the present life. These reflect our past choices. Because of habit, fear, resistance, etc. we tend to repeat and repeat the same old choices. (Rad)

A frequent astrological misconception to clear up is we are not trying to leave the South Node behind and move exclusively to the North Node. There is no way to completely leave the South Node behind – it is too much a part of who I am, who I have been for a really long time. It is the South Node of the MOON, and the Moon represents my sense of self-image. What we are trying to do is not leave the South Node behind, but evolve how I perceive and live out the South Node. I take what is learned at the North Node back to the South Node, learning to do the South Node IN NEW WAYS. (Steve)

The North Node is as far away (180 degrees) from the South Node (the past, the known) as it can possibly be. In other words, evolving requires making choices that embrace stepping into an unknown, the exact opposite of what is known. What is known is what causes us to feel safe, secure, etc. even if what is known is dysfunctional. In stepping into an unknown, unconscious fears and insecurities arise, relative to past forgotten memories, which explains why moving into the unknown is so difficult at times for
most of us. (Steve)

The North Node operates initially by the Soul creating a desire(s) that correlates with its ongoing evolutionary intentions as symbolized by the North Node itself. By acting on such desires the North Node then becomes actualized. (Rad)


The Nodal Axis, as well as the entire chart, correlate with dynamics, from life to life, that the Soul is evolving through relative to its core evolutionary intentions: dynamics that are necessary in order for that evolution to proceed. The Nodal Axis of course correlates with the types of egocentric structures that the Soul needs in order to accomplish its ongoing evolutionary intentions. When the Nodal Axis is symbolized by 29 or 0 degrees it does correlate to dynamics, the types of egocentric structures necessary for the Soul, that are either culminating, or just beginning. This does not mean that, for example, if the Nodes are at say 0 Virgo and Pisces that in the next life they will then still be in those signs. There are a variety of dynamics that correlate and contribute to the ongoing evolutionary needs of the Soul. Thus, for example, in the next life relative to those symbols in the current life, it would be entirely possible for the Nodal Axis to be in the 6th and 12th houses, but in totally different signs. It is possible to have the Nodal Axis in not only entirely different signs, but also houses. So we could have the ruler of one of the Nodes then in the 6th house, and the other in the 12th. And so on and so on. The combinations and possibilities are many. (Rad)

As always, please feel free to ask questions about any of this. I look very forward to this next phase of our journey together!
With love
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