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« on: Mar 03, 2014, 07:56 AM »

Emily....I accidentally deleted your post .. so am re-posting it for you. Sorry, Rad

Hello,

My question pertains to the evolutionary states and where they are rooted.  I am also realizing how confused I am as to the nature of the soul.

I understand that until 3rd stage spiritual the identity is not fully rooted in the soul.  I'm wondering if the soul has a consistent state of spiritual awareness in all individuals - consensus through spiritual - and the ego is just not connected to it until much work has been done?  So the evolutionary state is more a function of the ego than the soul?  I'm not wanting to see such stark separations between spirit, soul and ego.

If the soul of every individual, regardless of evolutionary state, know what its doing - where it is on the path and what the next steps are, it seems like the soul is at once participating in the drama of the evolutionary journey and at the same time removed from it.  Is that accurate?

I feel very ill equipped to be asking these questions, so I hope they make sense.

Thank you,
Emily
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« Reply #1 on: Mar 03, 2014, 07:57 AM »

Hi Emily,
 
First, welcome to our message board and the EA community within it. I have pasted from the main website all the information as to the nature of the Soul, the ego it creates in each life and why, and the four natural evolutionary states the the Soul evolves through. Please read deeply this information.

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Hello,

My question pertains to the evolutionary states and where they are rooted.  I am also realizing how confused I am as to the nature of the soul. 

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                                                                 The Soul

The word Soul has been a word in almost every human language system that has ever been on Earth. So what is it?

Can we open up the brain and find it ? No, obviously we can not. But we can not open up the physical body and find emotion either, for example. Yet we know we all have emotions.

Can we open up the brain and find thought ? No. Yet, we all know grwe at least have a thought or two in our heads.

Can we open up the body and find sadness, or depression, or happiness, or love? No. Yet, we all know that these things exist within us.

So obviously we are dealing with the nature of energy. The Soul is energy, which is no different than the energy of consciousness itself. Again, we can’t open the brain and find consciousness. Consciousness is one of the very greatest mysteries of all to scientists, for they can not explain it’s origins, or even how it came to be.

Consciousness correlates astrologically to Neptune. This is exactly the starting point for what we call religion and philosophy: the human need to contemplate and consider, within the desire to know where we come from and why.

In turn this becomes the causative factor for beliefs, where beliefs are result of the human pondering upon the origin of life itself. But is there a difference between beliefs and actual knowing ? Is there a way to know the answer to the big cosmic questions, versus to need to believe in an answer ? The happy news is that there is.

For example, by the sheer fact that there is a manifested Creation that exists as fact, there must also be TRUTHS THAT INHERENTLY EXIST because of the fact of the manifested Creation in the first place. By the fact of its existence, most of us can easily reason that there has to be something that is the origin of the Creation. In generic language we could call that something the Origin Of All Things, or The Source, and in religious terminology it is called God or the Goddess.

Consciousness is certainly part of the manifested Creation. It exists. That which is the origin of consciousness, of itself, must also be conscious. Thus the totality of consciousness emanates from this Source.

As an observable fact we all know that consciousness is in all living things; all life forms. And all of these life forms have the appearance of being separate from all other life forms, yet are simultaneously connected to them; two plants next to each other appear separate, yet are simultaneously connected to one another by the sheer fact of being plants.

So on the one hand there is in fact the individualizing aspect of consciousness; yet on the other, the universal aspect of consciousness, which binds all the individual aspects of consciousness together.
the Wave and the Ocean

Another way of illustrating this is the famous story of the wave and the ocean. Most of us would agree that it is the ocean that is the origin of the wave. Yet from the point of view the wave, if the individualizing aspect of consciousness was centered there, the wave appears and seems separate. In other words, if the center of gravity for consciousness was centered within the wave, then from that center of gravity the wave appears, and is experienced as, something separate from its own source – the ocean.

On the other hand, if the center of gravity within consciousness was the ocean itself, then the ocean simultaneously experiences its totality, while at the same time experiencing the individualizing aspects of itself, as manifested in the waves that emanate from it.

In the very same way then, the Universal Consciousness, which is the origin of all consciousness, has created and manifested the totality of the manifested Creation. Which of course includes the human being and the consciousness within it.

Within human consciousness there exists a natural individualizing aspect to it. This individualizing aspect occurs as a natural result of the human life form having distinct and individual forms relative to its root – the human life form as a seed, so to speak, that produces many other branches, – no different than the ocean and the wave. Thus, each human life form has its own individualizing consciousness that is called the Soul.

The Soul then, is an immutable consciousness or energy, that is naturally part of the Universal Consciousness that created it in the first place. Immutable here means that which can not be destroyed. Why? Because energy can never be destroyed, it can only change form – to evolve.
So how does the Soul evolve?

What dynamics are inherent within it that are the cause of its own evolution ? Within all human souls there exist two antithetical desires where DESIRE IS THE DETERMINANT OF EVOLUTION.

One desire is to RETURN to that which is the origin of us, of all Creation in the first place.

And the other desire is to SEPARATE from that which is the Origin Of All Things.

This simple inner dynamic within the Soul is also the natural cause, or law, of free choice, or free will. The evolution of the Soul is simply based on a progressive elimination of all separating desires, to the exclusion of only one desire that can remain: to return to the Origin Of All Things. This does not require any belief system at all, or any religion that one must belong to. This simple truth, because it is a function of natural law, can be validated by anyone through their own life experience.

Is it not true for example that any of us can have whatever separating desire that one can imagine. For example, a desire for a new lover, or a new career post, a new possession, and so on. And we may have the ability to manifest that which we desire. And when we do, there is in fact a sense of satisfaction of actualizing that which we have desired. But what soon replaces it ? Is it not the sense of dissatisfaction, the sense of “something more”?

It is preciously this sense of dissatisfaction, the sense of something more, that echos the ultimate desire, to return to the Origin Of All Things – the only desire that will bring to us that ultimate satisfaction. All of us have this universal experience.
So how can we know, independent of belief systems, that there in fact exists an Ultimate Source ?

The human being knew long, long ago, before the manifestation of religions and complicated cosmologies, through inner contemplation, inner ‘looking’, that when the breath in the body, inhale and exhale, became very, very shallow, even stopped, that there would then appear within the interior of their consciousness a LIGHT. This occurred as a natural function of the breath shallowing or stopping. Naturally.

Much later in human history this was to be called the famous third eye. And it is this very Light that symbolized, and connected, the individual consciousness reflected in the Soul to the Universal Consciousness that is the Origin Of All Things. The human being also learned long ago that by merging its own individual consciousness, or Soul, with that Light that its consciousness would then expand in such a way that the individual consciousness itself then became Universal and was then able to consciously experience that Ultimate Source Of All Things: the wave has returned to the ocean.

The point here, again, is that any human being can know and validate these natural laws through their own actual experience, which does not require belief systems of any kind. The key to do this, again, is to progressively shallow and stop the breath all together.

Any one can do this. If you doubt this, or wonder how, simply try the following natural method to do so: on your inhaling breath simply mentally affirm the number one. On your exhaling breath simply mentally affirm the number two. The ‘secret’ here is to concentrate as hard as you can simply on the numbers one and two. This act of concentration, intensified by desire manifesting as will, progressively causes the breath to begin to shallow and even stop.

Remember that consciousness is energy and can not be destroyed. It can only change form. Thus, as some may think, when the breath is stopped it does not mean you have to die. Consciousness is NOT dependent on the human form.

When the breath is stopped, the inner LIGHT, which is intrinsic to consciousness, will soon begin to appear. As it does so, simply move into it by the conscious act of surrender. Surrendering to it will then allow for a merging of your own consciousness with that Universal Consciousness, as symbolized in the Light. ANYONE CAN DO THIS AND THEN KNOW FOR THEMSELVES THIS NATURAL TRUTH.
The Natural Law of Breath

It is this natural law of breath, when stopped or deeply shallowed, that allows for what all the great teachers of relatively recent centuries, when compared to how long the human being has actually been on the planet, have said, including Jesus: “When thy eye is single, one’s whole body is full of light.”

Symbolically speaking, the two physical eyes that we have correlate to the two motions of breath: inhale and exhale. It is the inhaling and exhaling of the breath that keeps one’s consciousness utterly involved and enmeshed in the duality, or polarity, of life itself.

Likes and dislikes, happy and sad, love and hate, etc, etc correlate to, and demonstrate, this natural law. The numbers one and two correlate to the natural law of finitude and duality: cause and effect.

Yet between one and two, exists an interval, or zero. The interval, or zero, correlates to the Universal Consciousness, or infinity. Thus when the breath stops or becomes very, very shallow, the interval is then perceived.

And what is perceived in the single eye, or what has been called the ‘third eye’ that naturally exists within the interior of consciousness and can be accessed, merged with, is our Soul. When this occurs, the law of duality ceases to exist. The ultimate satisfaction is then realized. The Soul correlates astrologically to Pluto.

From the point of view of natural laws, it is interesting to note, historically speaking, that advanced mathematics like algebra, trigonometry, quantum physics, and so on could not have been realized unless there was an idea or conception called zero. This occurred in the third century A.D. in India. It was the Indian mathematicians that conceived the number zero. And, of course, from the point of view of Indian cosmologies, this occurred as a direct extension of their natural understanding of the origin of Creation: out of nothing, or zero, the manifested Creation occurred: the unmanifested/ manifested, or the causeless cause.

                                                                    The Ego

Coming into human form, the Soul will manifest what is known as the ego. The ego correlates astrologically to the Moon. The ego, too, is pure energy. We can not open the brain and find it.

Unlike the energy of the Soul, which is sustained from life to life until the final merging with The Source occurs, the energy of the ego in any life is dissolved after that physical life ends.

The analogy of the wave and the ocean again serves to illustrate this point. The ocean can be equated with the Soul, and the wave can be equated with the ego. Of course the ocean (Soul) is manifesting the waves (ego), life after life. And just as the waves can rise and fall, in any given life that the Soul creates the ocean is sustained.

In other words, the egos that the Soul manifests in each life rise from birth, but finally dissolve back into the ocean (Soul) upon the completion of that life. Its energy is not destroyed, but simply absorbed back into the energy that created it in the first place. The ego created by the Soul thus allows for the individualizing aspect of the Soul in each life.
the Ego as vehicle of evolution

In each life the ego is created by the Soul in such a way as to serve as the vehicle through which the evolutionary intentions of the Soul in that life can occur. Each ego that the Soul creates is oriented to reality in such a way that the very nature of the orientation serves as the vehicle through which the life lessons can occur and be understood by the Soul. In each life, the ego allows for a self-image of the Soul to occur, relative to the individualizing aspect of the Soul.

An analogy to a movie projector will illustrate the point. If I have a movie projector loaded with a reel of film, and a screen in front of the projector, and I turn on the machine, generating light from it, I will have no distinct image on the screen unless I also have a lens in the projector. Without the lens, what manifests from the projector is simply diffuse light. Thus the lens serves as a vehicle, through which the images on the film can be focused and given distinct shape and form.

In the very same way, the ego that the Soul generates in each life allows for a vehicle, or lens, through which the inherent images that exist with the Soul can take form. This natural law of consciousness is thus the cause that allows for individual self perception and the word “I” itself.

The Soul, Pluto, also correlates to the genetic code – RNA and DNA, chromosomes, and enzymes. In each life the Soul IS THE DETERMINANT FOR THE ENTIRE GENETIC CODE OF THE LIFE, HUMAN FORM, THAT IT IS BEING BORN INTO. Each life that the Soul chooses is a continuation of that which has come before, where each new life taken correlates to the ongoing evolutionary lessons or intentions of that Soul. Thus, the body type, which includes which race to be born into; the appearance of it; the culture to be born into; the parents of origin; the specific and individual nature of the emotions, feelings, psychology, desires; and so on, correlate to the Soul’s intentions, reflected in the genetic code in total, in each life.

This is all then given individual form in each life via the egocentric structure (Moon) that the Soul creates in that life. Thus any person can then say things like “this is who I am”, “this is what I need”, “this is what I am feeling”, “this is what I am trying to learn”, and so on: the individualizing aspect of the ego that the Soul creates in each life.
The Astral Plane

When ‘death’ occurs in any given life, as stated earlier, the ego that the Soul has created for a life then dissolves back into its origin: the Soul. Since both are energy, and energy can not be destroyed, where does the Soul go upon the physical death of the body? In other words, where is it on an energetic level?

Most of us have heard the words ‘the astral plane’, or heaven and hell. Obviously, what these types of words refer to are other realities or planes of existence. There are in fact other energetic realities or planes of existence.

Simply speaking, the astral plane is an energetic plane of existence that all Souls go to after the completion of a physical life on places like Earth. Energetically, this plane of existence is much less materially dense than places like Earth.

After physical death the Soul ‘goes to’ the astral plane, in order to review the life that has just been lived, and to prepare for yet another birth on places like Earth. Upon the completion of a life on Earth, the ‘ego’ dissolves back into the Soul in such a way that the center of gravity within the consciousness, within the astral plane, is the Soul itself.

For most folks living lives in the material plane we call Earth, the center of gravity of consciousness is the ego itself. This is why the vast majority of people living feel within themselves that they are ‘separate’ from everything else, the center of gravity being the egocentric “I”. In the astral plane the center of gravity shifts to the Soul itself so that when death occurs in any given life the ‘memory’ of the ego of that life is sustained.
                                                      Lives to Come

This memory of the ego is necessary for the Soul, for it is the memory of the ego that allows the Soul to not only review the life that has just been lived, but also serves as the basis for the next life to be lived, relative to the continuing evolution of the Soul itself. In each life we all pick up where we left off before. Thus, this memory of the ego in each life serves as the causative factor of what type of egocentric structure the Soul needs to create in the next life.

In essence, it is the memory of the ego that the Soul draws upon, the ‘images’ contained therein, that serve as the basis of the next ego that the Soul needs to generate in each successive life to promote its ongoing evolution. Astrologically speaking, this is symbolized by Pluto (the Soul), and the South and North Nodes of the Moon.

The South Node of the Moon correlates to the Soul’s prior egocentric ‘memories’, which determine the natal placement of the Moon in each life – the current ego.

The North Node of the Moon correlates to the evolving ego of the Soul – the nature and types of inner and outer experiences that the Soul needs, desires, in order to facilitate it’s ongoing evolution. In turn this will then constitute the ‘new’ egocentric memories, images, that the Soul will draw upon when a life has been lived and terminated at physical ‘death’.

Most of us are aware that the Moon also correlates to one’s family of origin in any given life. It should be clear then that upon the ‘death’ of the physical body, the Soul ‘goes to’ the astral plane, and meets again important family members, and others close to the Soul. This is also why, for many Souls, we continue to meet again those family members upon rebirth into yet another physical life on places like Earth. It is the memory of the ego now combined with the memory of family that is the determinant in this phenomena. And this phenomena is sustained until there is no longer any evolutionary or karmic need to sustain such relationships.

                                                   The Four Evolutionary Conditions or States

A very, very important principle to review concerns the four natural evolutionary conditions, or stages, of a Soul’s evolution.

One of the great problems of ‘modern’ astrology is a total ignorance of this natural law. As a result, much if not most of astrological understanding correlates with the ‘one size fits all’ approach. Of itself this approach does a total disservice not only to astrology in general, but to the very people it attempts to help.

This approach flies in the face of common sense, not to mention life itself. It’s like saying if I have a Venus square Pluto then the ‘meaning’ of that astrological pairing would be the same for all. This approach never takes into account the INDIVIDUAL CONTEXT of anything.

Let us remember a core truth about astrology: it only works relative to observed context. If the ‘one size fits all’ approach were in fact true, then for example, when Uranus transited Pisces in the 1920′s, the same social themes would have existed all over the planet. In reality they did not, because of individual context. In Germany and their context, for example, following World War One it manifested as an almost total breakdown in the social order where literally one had to haul wheelbarrows full of money just to buy a loaf of bread. Yet at the same time, in the United States it manifested as the ‘roaring 20′s’ because of the individual context of America at that time. This was in essence fueled by the ‘invention’ of the non-secured credit card.

Again, the evolution of the Soul is based on the progressive elimination of all separating desires, to the exclusion of the only desire that can remain: to return ‘home’ to that which is the Origin of all Souls in the first place.

Based on this natural law, there are four natural evolutionary conditions, with three subdivisions in each, that correlate to the Soul’s evolutionary journey. And, again, if you doubt this, simply stand back in a Uranian (i.e. detached) way from any society, country, culture, or tribe, and observe it.

Upon observation, any detached observer will then be able to notice these four natural evolutionary conditions. The four conditions are:

(1) the ‘Dimly Evolved’ state. Roughly three to four percent of all Souls are in what I have previously called the ‘dimly evolved’ state. This means one of two things. Either Souls that are evolving into human consciousness from other forms of life such as animals and plants. Or Souls that are ‘de-evolving’ backwards into this condition due to ‘karmic’ causes.

(2) the ‘Consensus’ state. Souls that have evolved into what can be called the ‘consensus’ state of evolution, which comprises roughly seventy percent of all Souls on the planet at this time.

(3) the ‘Individuated’ state of evolution, where individuated is used in the Jungian sense of the word. This comprises roughly twenty percent of all Souls and

(4) the ‘Spiritual’ state of evolution that comprises roughly four to six percent of all Soul’s on the planet.

It is extremely important to understand no astrologer can determine which evolutionary condition exists for any Soul by simply looking at the birth chart alone. The astrologer must observe and interact with the client in order for this determination to be made.

A good way to do this in a counseling situation where a client has come to the astrologer is to simply ask the client why there are there, and what questions do they have. Generally, the very nature of the questions that the client has will clue the astrologer as to what evolutionary condition exists for that client. For example, if one client asks ‘when can I expect enlightenment’, and another asks ‘when will I have my new BMW”, there clearly is an observed difference reflecting the level of evolutionary progression of the Soul.

(1) The Dimly Evolved State: Souls that are evolving into human consciousness from other forms of life, typically animal and plant (animals and plants essentially have the same ‘emotional’ and ‘nervous’ systems as humans) are characterized by a very limited sense of self-awareness. This self-awareness is typically limited to the time and space that they personally occupy. When one looks into such Souls eyes they typically express a ‘density’ within the pupils, like a film effect within the pupils. These Souls are typically very joyous; very, very innocent; and can bring great love to those who are close to them. Modern terminology that reflects these types of Souls are words like critinism, very low i.q.’s, mongoloidism, metal retardation, and the like.

The root desire within this evolutionary stage or state is the desire to be ‘normal’, where normal means to be like most other people: the consensus state.

Conversely, it can occur, due to ‘karmic’ causes, that Souls can be de-evolved; which means that such Souls are forced back into this state. This then becomes very problematic for such Souls, because they had previously evolved beyond this stage. Thus, such Soul now experience great and humiliating ‘limitations’ because of the de-evolution. As a result, these Souls are very, very angry, and some can go about creating great disturbances for other people. These souls can also be ‘classified’ through the modern terminology as above. But the great difference is that when one looks into the pupil of these Souls’ eyes, one will notice a great while light manifesting from the pupil: piercing like. And within that light one will inwardly experience the intense anger within such a Soul.

                                                              The Consensus State

Astrologically speaking, this state correlates to Saturn, because of the underlying desire to conform to the consensus of any society, culture, tribe or country. Thus such Souls entire orientation to reality, including their values, the sense of meaning for life, moralities, customs, norms, taboos, what is right and wrong, and so on, are simply an extension of the prevailing consensus of whatever society they are born into.

In essence ‘reality’ for such Souls is merely an extension of the external conditioning that any consensus group of people provides. They can not step out of the box, so to speak. For example if a scientist claims that ‘astrology is bogus’, then all those within the consensus state will have the same opinion.

Within the consensus state, like all the other states, there are three subdivisions that we must account for, where each subdivision reflects the ongoing evolution of a Soul through the entire evolutionary state, which then leads to the next evolutionary state with its three subdivisions, until the final ‘liberation’ of a Soul occurs, relative to exhaustion of all separating desires, ultimately reflected in the third subdivision of the Spiritual State of evolution.

The way that evolution occurs through each state is by exhausting all the desires that are intrinsic to the nature of that evolutionary state or condition.

Within the consensus state, the root desire that propels the evolution of the Soul forward, from the first subdivision through the third, is characterized by the desire to ‘get ahead’; to get ahead of the ‘system’, which of course means the consensus society that they belong to.

a) Souls within the first subdivision of the consensus state are characterized by a limited sense of self-awareness, essentially limited to the time and space that they occupy; a limited awareness of the dynamics of the community that they inhabit; an even more limited awareness of the dynamics of the country that they live within. And yet they are incredibly self-righteous relative to the values, moralities, consensus religion of the existing society of birth, how life is ‘interpreted’ according to those beliefs, the judgments issued because of those beliefs, and so on.

There simply is no ability to separate themselves from any of this. It is as if they are like social automatons. An apt analogy for these Souls is the worker bees in a bee hive. Typically, they are in the lowest social strata of the society of birth.

b) As evolution proceeds for these Souls, relative to the desire to ‘get ahead’, it will lead them into the second subdivision of the consensus state, because that root desire means that they will want more from society than simply remaining in its lower strata. These Souls of course perceive from the point of view of the lower strata that there are others who have more than they have.

This perception is more or less limited to others having more possessions of a grander nature than they have, social positions within society that they do not have, thus more social ‘freedom’ than they have, and so on. Yet that limited perception fuels the root desire to get ahead and have more. In order for this desire to be realized they must learn ever more how society and its dynamics work. It requires an expansion of their personal awareness for this learning to take place. It is the very fact of the evolutionary necessity to expand their awareness that propels the evolution of the Soul into the second consensus state subdivision.

There it becomes necessary for the Soul to learn ever more about the nature of society, to use the social system to its own evolutionary advantage – to get ahead. The ‘reality’ for such Souls is still totally defined by the consensus of society: its values, moralities, religions, judgments, right and wrongs, and so on. Yet by desiring to get ahead, the Soul must expand its personal awareness of the nature of the dynamics of how the society it is a part of is put together: its rules, regulations, what is required for this or that ambition to be actualized, and so on.

The Soul thus becomes ever more aware of ‘others’, of the community that it is part of, and the country that it lives within. This expanding awareness also includes the beginning of becoming aware of other countries and the differences in values, moralities, religions, and so on, as reflected in other countries and societies. Thus personal awareness – self-awareness – expands, because of the heightened awareness of ‘others’ relative to the Soul’s desire to get ahead. This evolutionary stage correlates to the ‘middle strata’ within the social order of any given society.

c) As the Soul evolves through this state it increasingly becomes aware of the upper strata of society, of those that are in positions of power and leadership, of those that have great material abundance, and, as result, the desire to get ahead fuels the ongoing evolution of the Soul into the third subdivision within the consensus state.

For the Soul to evolve into the third subdivision within the consensus state, an ever increasing awareness of how society ‘works’ in total is demanded. Because of this, personal awareness expands through evolutionary necessity, in order for the Soul’s desires (defined by ambitions to get ahead) to be realized.

The Soul’s personal awareness has now expanded to the point that it is now very aware of the totality of the community and society that it belongs to, and of the country that it lives within. This also includes a progressive awareness of other countries, other cultures, and of the relativity of moralities, values, religions, and so on, as reflected in other countries and cultures.

Even though this awareness progressively expands, it does not mean the Soul in this third subdivision considers other countries, values, beliefs, and religions equal to its own society and country of birth. In fact, within this third subdivision, the self-righteousness born out of conformity (the underlying hallmark of the consensus state in total) is sustained: we are right, and they are wrong. In total the consensus state correlates to what is called ‘nationalism’.

In this final subdivision within the consensus state the Soul desires to be ‘on top’ of society; to have positions of social importance and relative power, prestige, and material abundance – the politicians, CEO’s of corporations, important positions in the business world, mainstream religious leaders, and so on. As a result, these Souls constitute the ‘upper strata’ of society.

As the Soul evolves through this last subdivision it will finally exhaust all the desires that are inherent within the consensus state. As a result, the meaning to life itself will be progressively be lost as those desires no longer hold any meaning. At the very end of the journey through this state the Soul will finally ask the question ‘there must be more to life than this’.

This very question implies an awakening alienation from the consensus, from ‘normal’ life as defined by the consensus. It is this awakening alienation from normalcy as defined by the consensus of any society that now triggers the beginning of a new desire that will propel the Soul into the Individuated Evolutionary State: the desire to liberate from all external conditioning that has previously defined the Soul’s sense of reality in general, and its sense of personal identity, or individuality, specifically.

                                                             The Individuated State

Astrologically speaking, the individuated state correlates to Uranus, because the Soul now desires to liberate or rebel against the consensus state from which it is now evolving away from. Instead of the Soul being defined by the consensus to shape its sense of reality in general, and its personal identity specifically, the Soul now desires to discover who and what it is, independent of such conditioning.

Earlier is was stated that if a Soul were in the consensus state and the scientist said ‘astrology is bogus’, this would then be the automatic belief of those Souls who are within the consensus state. If that same scientist said this to a Soul within the individuated state, the response would be something like ‘no thank you, I will think for myself’.

Souls in this evolutionary state inwardly feel ‘different’: different than the majority of the society and country of birth. Because of the desire to liberate from the consensus, the awareness of Souls in this state progressively expands to include ever larger wholes, or frames of reference.

This expansion of awareness begins because the Soul no longer can identify with the consensus of the society of birth. As a result the Soul now feels a progressive detachment from society: like standing on the outside and looking in. This then allows the Soul to ‘objectify’ itself, relative to personal awareness and self-perception. Rebelling against consensus beliefs, values, moralities, what constitutes ‘meaning’ for life itself, and so on, the Soul now begins to question the assumptions that most people hold dear to their heart that correlate to what ‘reality’ is and is not.

As a result, this Soul now begins to ‘experiment’, by investigating other ways of looking at and understanding the nature of life itself. This is a reflection of the independent thinking that characterizes this evolutionary state. And it is through this independent thinking and investigating all kinds of different ways of understanding life, including ideas, beliefs, and philosophies from other lands and cultures, that allows for an ever-increasing expansion of their consciousness, and thus, their sense of personal awareness. As a result of this such Souls no longer feel at ‘home’ in their own land, in their country of birth.

a) In the first subdivision of the individuated state, the Soul will typically try to ‘compensate’ for this inner feeling of being different, of not belonging to the consensus, and the inner sense of alienation, by trying to appear normal. This compensation then causes the Soul to structure their outer reality much as Souls do in the consensus state: normal kinds of work, normal kinds of friends, normal appearance, and so on.

Yet inwardly they feel and know that they can no longer personally identify with that compensatory reality that they attempt to sustain. This compensation manifests in this subdivision because, after all, the consensus is where the Soul has just been. Thus it constitutes a sense of security, relative to the inner feeling of being detached and different. We must remember that for most people, the sense of security in life is a function of constancy, self-consistency. And self-consistency is a function of the past. As a result, the compensation manifests as a reaction to this increasingly new feeling of being different, of not belonging anymore to the consensus. This feeling creates a sense of insecurity in this first subdivision because is it brand new. The Soul has not been here before. Yet this act of compensation creates a very real state of ‘living a lie’.

Even as this compensatory behavior occurs, the Soul will nonetheless be questioning everything, deep within themselves, in the privacy of their inner life. Typically they will read all kinds of books that contain ideas that go way beyond the ‘norm’ as it is defined by the consensus. Many, depending on cultural possibilities, will take classes or workshops that have these themes or intentions. Some will seek out ‘alternative’ environments to find and bond with others of like mind – others who feel as they do.

This compensatory behavior will progressively give way, involute, as the Soul evolves further in this subdivision. The Soul will progressively distance itself from the consensus and begin to form relationships with other alienated Souls just like itself. Because of the necessity of work or a job, most of these Souls will either do any kind of work just to get by, without identifying with such work in any way, or they will actualize a work that is individualistic and symbolic of their own individuality.

b) In the second subdivision of the individuated state, the underlying archetype of Uranus as it correlates to rebellion is at its highest. This rebellion is so extreme that the Soul has now ‘thrown off’ almost any idea or philosophy that has come before, at any level of reality. Such Souls end up in a kind of existential void, and typically hang out with other such alienated Souls, which has the effect of reinforcing the total state of rebellion from all of reality other than the reality they have now defined through the existential void.

These Souls will exhibit a deep fear of integrating into society in any kind of way, for the fear suggests to them that if they do, that somehow that very same society or reality will absorb their hard won (at least to them) individuality, which is defined through the act of rebellion, in this stage.

As a result, these Souls typically hang out in the avant garde of society, hurling critical atom bombs at society, so as to reinforce their sense of personal righteousness, defined by their alienation from the consensus. Because of the natural law of evolution (which is always preceded by an involution), these people at some point will realize that their fear of integrating into reality, into society, is just that: a fear only. Once this is realized, they then begin to make the effort to integrate back into society, but with their individuality intact. Once this is realized, the Soul will then evolve into the third subdivision.

c) In the third subdivision of the individuated state, the Soul will then begin to manifest within society or reality as a truly unique and gifted person, from the viewpoint of the consensus.

This means that such Souls will have in some way a unique gift, or capacity, to help the consensus itself evolve, through integrating that capacity or gift within the consensus. Yet these people will not inwardly feel identified with the consensus: they stand inwardly very distant from it. The consciousness of these Souls has progressively expanded through the individuated state in such a way that they are aware of the entire world and the relativity of beliefs, values, moralities, and so on. As a result they will feel within themselves to be ‘world citizens’ much more than being a singular citizen of the country of birth.

The inner pondering of the very nature of existence, the nature of Creation, the nature of who they ‘really’ are, essentially defines the nature of their consciousness. Progressively, these people begin to really open up their consciousness to the universal, the cosmos, to God/ess. Not the God/ess defined through consensus religions, but the real or natural God/ess. A perfect example in recent history of such a soul is Albert Einstein. Another would be Howard Hughes.

                                                                   The Spiritual State

Astrologically speaking, this evolutionary state correlates to Neptune, because now the root desire becomes to consciously KNOW, not just believe in, but to know and unite with the Source Of All Things: the universal, God/ess. Because of this root desire, the consciousness now progressively expands into the universal, the cosmos, in such a way that the very nature of the interior consciousness within the Soul becomes conscious of the living universe within: the wave within the ocean, and the ocean within the wave.

Progressively, in this spiritual state of evolution, the very center of gravity within the Soul’s consciousness shifts from the subjective ego to the Soul itself. Once the center of gravity shifts to the Soul, then in the context of any given life the Soul is then able to simultaneously experience its specific individuality as reflected in the ego, while at the same time experiencing, being centered in, the Soul – the ocean that is aware of the waves that it manifests.

The Soul contains within itself all the prior life memories from every life it has ever lived. And the Soul has its own ‘identity’, or ego. This identity or ‘ego’ is not the same as the ego that the Soul creates in any given life on places like Earth. The ego of the Soul is one’s ‘eternal’ identity.

An easy way for any of us to understand this occurs when we dream. Obviously when we dream we are not identified with our subjective ego. After all we are ‘asleep’. The subjective ego has temporarily ‘dissolved’ back into the Soul when we sleep. So the question becomes ‘who and what is doing the dreaming’ ? Obviously it can only be the Soul, with its own ego that thus allows the Soul to know itself as a Soul that is eternal.

Another way to validate the same thing occurs when we sometimes wake up from sleeping and can not immediately ‘remember’ who we are: the current subjective ego, the “I”, of this life. It takes some effort to actually remember the subjective I when this occurs. So, again, the question becomes ‘who and what must make the effort to remember the subjective “I” of the current life ? Obviously it can only be our Soul.

So, again, as evolution proceeds in this spiritual state, there is a progressive shift in the center of gravity within the Soul’s consciousness. When this shift firmly takes hold then the Soul, in any given life, is simultaneously experiencing its eternal ‘self’ or ego, while at the same time experiencing the subjective ego, and the individuality attendant to it, that it has created for its own ongoing evolutionary reasons and intentions.

This is very similar to when we stand at the beach when the Sun goes down and at that moment when the Sun is equally half above and below the horizon. In this state of consciousness, the Soul is aware from within itself of all the prior lives that it has lived, and at the same time aware of the specific life, ego, that it is currently living.

Progressively, as evolution proceeds in the spiritual state of evolution, the Soul also becomes consciously aware of the Source Of All Things. This occurs as the consciousness of the Soul becomes truly universal: the inner experience of the entire universe within one’s own consciousness. This state of ‘cosmic consciousness’ allows one to actually experience the very point of the manifested Creation itself: the interface between the unmanifested and the manifested. As this occurs, the Soul then also becomes aware of all the natural laws that govern and correlate to the very nature of Creation itself.

In the most advanced states of evolution, the Soul, now being completely identified with these natural laws of Creation, is then able to harmonize with those laws in such a way as to use those laws at will in conjunction with the Will Of All Things: that which is the very origin of those natural laws.

a) In the first subdivision in the Spiritual State, the Soul progressively becomes aware of just how ‘small’ it is, because of the increasing universal dimensions that are occurring within its consciousness. This is vastly different than being the center of one’s own universe, as reflected in the consensus state for example. Of itself, this has a naturally humbling effect on the Soul, and thus the current subjective ego, Moon, that it has created. It is exactly this naturally humbling archetype that progressively allows the center of gravity to shift within the Soul’s consciousness from the subjective ego to the Soul itself, and ultimately to a conscious union with the Source Of All Things.

As a result, the Soul desires to progressively commit itself to the desire to reunite with the Source. As this occurs, the Soul will progressively commit itself to devotional types of spiritual practice in this subdivision. Within this, the Soul desires to commit itself to various forms of work that all correlate to being of service to the larger whole, of service to others in some way.

Many will naturally want to orient to various forms of the healing arts or to start ‘centers’ in which the healing arts in some way are the focus. The core issue here is that the Soul desires to do a work on behalf of the Source Of All Things, and to use the work as a vehicle through which The Source can be inwardly experienced because of the nature of the work. In the East this is called Karma Yoga.

In this first subdivision, the Soul becomes progressively aware of all that it needs to improve upon within itself. A heightened state of awareness occurs that makes the Soul aware of all its imperfections and, as a result, the Soul can now become highly self-critical. Even though this is natural, it also creates a potential danger or trap to the Soul in that this heightened state of critical self-awareness can cause the Soul to not feel ‘good enough’ or ‘ready’ to do the task, or work, that it is being inwardly directed to do.

This then sets in motion all kinds of excuse making, always manifesting as perfectly rational arguments, of why the Soul will not do what it should do when it should do it. The way out of this trap is to realize that the path to ‘perfection’ occurs by taking one step at a time.

As evolution progresses through this first subdivision, the Soul will increasingly have direct perception of the ‘single eye’, or the third eye, which is inherent to consciousness. As a result, this perception allows the Soul to merge with that single eye in such a way that various types and states of cosmic consciousness will occur, which will lead into the second subdivision within the spiritual state.

b) the second subdivision of the Spiritual state: As the Soul evolves into this subdivision it has already had various kinds of inner cosmic or universal kinds of experiences within its consciousness. Yet in this state the final shift in the center of gravity within consciousness from the subjective ego to the Soul itself has yet to occur. In this state the shift manifests more like a rubber band, wherein the gravity point keeps going back and forth from the subjective ego to the Soul.

The problem that this generates is that the progressive inner experiences within consciousness of the universal, the cosmic, of the Source fuels the subjective ego in such a way that the Soul feels more evolved than it actually is. This can then set in motion in varying degrees of intensity ‘spiritual delusions of grandeur’ from an egocentric and Soul point of view. When this occurs, such Souls will then feel that they have a spiritual ‘mission’ to fulfill on behalf of others, of the world itself.

It is important to remember in trying to understand this subdivision that as the Soul gets ever closer to the Source, The Light, that whatever egocentric impurities remain within the Soul must be purged. As a result, as the Soul draws closer to re-uniting with its own Origin, these impurities will manifest thru the current life subjective ego that the Soul’s own ego contains.

These impurities can be many things, depending on the specific nature of each Soul, but all Souls in this subdivision will share one common impurity: the ‘ego’ of the Soul that is still identifying itself as somehow ‘separate’ from that which has created it. This ongoing delusion is thus reflected in the subjective ego that the Soul creates.

This common impurity will then then be exhibited in specific psychological behaviors that essentially boil down to such Souls pointing the way to themselves as the vehicle of ‘salvation’, or to know God/ess; while at the same time, pretending that they are not. In other words, they are extremely good salespeople that peddle God/ess as the hook, in order to have themselves revered as the way to actually know God/ess.

There is always a hidden or secret egocentric agenda within these Souls, that is masked by the overlay of whatever spiritual or religious teaching they are representing. Examples of this, in recent modern history, would be Bagawan Rajneesh (Osho), Claire Prophet, ZZ Knight (Ramtha), Da Free John, Rasputin, and the like.

As the Soul evolves through this subdivision, it finally realizes the nature of this root impurity. As a result, it experiences a ‘natural’ guilt. This guilt is then used by the Soul to create its own downfall, in order to ‘atone’ for that guilt. The downfall can occur in many different ways, depending on the specific nature of the circumstantial life that the Soul has generated. This downfall, caused by guilt and the need to atone for that guilt, thus serves as the final evolutionary development that allows the Soul to evolve into the third subdivision within the spiritual state.

c) the third subdivision within the Spiritual state: In the final subdivision within the spiritual state the Soul is now finally and firmly identified with that which has created it: The Source Of All Things. The center of gravity within consciousness has finally centered within the Soul, not on the subjective ego created by the Soul.

At this point in the evolution of the Soul, all subsequent evolution through this final subdivision will be focused on the elimination of any separating desires that the Soul still has. Because of this final shift within consciousness to the Soul itself, the Soul is inwardly attuned to the Source Of All Things in such a way that it perceives itself as but a singular manifestation of the Source. Simultaneously, the Soul perceives all others, all of Creation, as manifestations of that Source.

Thus the Soul’s inner and outer responses to life itself, how life is understood and interpreted, how it comes to understand the nature of the life it is currently living, how it understands the purpose for the current life, and how it comes to make decisions relative to the life being lived, are all based on this inner attunement and alignment with that which has Created it.

As evolution begins in this final subdivision the Soul inwardly feels and knows that it is here to serve The Source in some way. It knows that it can not just live for itself. It knows that it has some kind of work to do on behalf of the Source. The consciousness of the Soul at this point is entirely structured to give to others, and to give purely without any ulterior agenda or motive involved. The nature of the work will always involve the theme of teaching or healing in some way.

Because the Soul is now consciously identified with the Source, the very nature of the Souls own vibration radiates in such a way that many others are drawn to it like a magnet. Many other Souls are drawn magnetically to these Souls, because they also reflect and radiate a fundamental wisdom of life, of a deep compassion at the ‘human condition’. This occurs because, after all, these Souls have traveled a very long evolutionary journey, which has taken them through almost every kind of life experience imaginable.

Such Souls are naturally very unassuming, naturally humble, and have no desire whatsoever for any kind of acclaim to their ego. Quite the opposite: they shy away from such things and always remind anyone who tries to give them acclaim of any kind for that which they do, that all things come from God, or the Source. They only point the way ‘Home’, and never to themselves.

Conversely, these Souls can also attract to themselves others who project onto them all manner of judgments, projection of motives, intentions, of ‘who they really are’, and wholesale persecution. The reason this occurs is because the very nature of these Souls is fundamentally pure, and full of the inner Light of the Source. As a result, their own inner light has the effect of ‘exposing’ the impurities in others, of the actual reality of others, versus the persona created by others; of others actual intentions and motives for anything. Accordingly, those who do this kind of projection and so on feel threatene by these types of Souls, for they know they themselves are fundamentally dishonest, and that they are invested in having others believe in the persona they are creating to hide their actual reality/agendas. Feeling threatened thus causes these types of people to manifest this type of behavior (projections) with these Souls.

In the beginning of this third subdivision, the nature of the work that the Soul does, the number of people it is destined to help in some way through the vehicle of teaching or healing, is relatively small and limited to the immediate area of community in which they live. Progressively this evolves from a limited application to increasingly larger circles, in which the nature of the work on behalf of the Source increases.

In the end this increasing circle will include the entire world. And at the very end of evolution in this subdivision, the Soul will be remembered by countless others long after the physical life of the Soul is over – the nature of their life, and the teachings they represented. Examples of these types of Souls are ‘individuals’ like Jesus, Yogananda, Lao-Tzu, Buddha, Mohammed, Saint Teresa, and so on.

It is important to remember, again, that these are the natural evolutionary conditions that reflect the current reality of all peoples on Earth. For those who wish to use evolutionary astrology, it is essential that you make the necessary observations of any given person to determine their evolutionary state, and to then orient yourself to their natal chart accordingly. Again, one size does not fit all.

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I understand that until 3rd stage spiritual the identity is not fully rooted in the soul.  I'm wondering if the soul has a consistent state of spiritual awareness in all individuals - consensus through spiritual - and the ego is just not connected to it until much work has been done?  So the evolutionary state is more a function of the ego than the soul?  I'm not wanting to see such stark separations between spirit, soul and ego.

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The ego only REFLECTS that which is taking place, all the dynamics including it's evolution through the vehicle of desire, in the Soul itself.

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If the soul of every individual, regardless of evolutionary state, know what its doing - where it is on the path and what the next steps are, it seems like the soul is at once participating in the drama of the evolutionary journey and at the same time removed from it.  Is that accurate?

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No.

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I feel very ill equipped to be asking these questions, so I hope they make sense.

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You are asking the questions that you have. Please read deeply and thoroughly all the information provided for you here. If you have additional questions please feel free to ask.

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« Reply #2 on: Mar 03, 2014, 09:11 PM »

Hi Rad,

Thank you for your reply and for posting all of that information.

I have read through it all - hopefully deeply enough - and these questions come up:

For a soul that is not spiritually oriented – when the person dies and the ego dissolves back into the soul – and the soul is in the astral plane – how is the soul orienting to itself - What do souls who manifest egos that don’t believe in souls think about what they are?   Or is the point that they not thinking, just being -and not that self-aware?   My intellect is getting caught trying to understand the concept of a non-spiritually oriented soul – when soul by nature is spiritually connected.  I’m assuming this is where I’m misunderstanding.  That soul as a wave is very far from the ocean of source when belief of being separate is dominant?

Am I understanding correctly that it is just the nature of the bottom-line desire of each evolutionary state that moves the soul through the evolutionary state and onto the next?

Finally, in the consensus state, the desire to get ahead – the desire for material wealth etc, even though this is a separating desire, can this be thought of as a returning desire, in the sense that it moves the soul through the consensus state and through exhausting this desire?  Can other separating desires be viewed in this way - necessary to move the soul along through its evolution and so leading the soul to return?  Can a soul let go of separating desires if it hasn't experienced them?

Thank you and sorry if I missed the answer to these questions in the reading.

-Emily
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« Reply #3 on: Mar 04, 2014, 08:25 AM »

Hi Emily,

Hi Rad,

Thank you for your reply and for posting all of that information.

I have read through it all - hopefully deeply enough - and these questions come up:

For a soul that is not spiritually oriented – when the person dies and the ego dissolves back into the soul – and the soul is in the astral plane – how is the soul orienting to itself - What do souls who manifest egos that don’t believe in souls think about what they are?   Or is the point that they not thinking, just being -and not that self-aware?   My intellect is getting caught trying to understand the concept of a non-spiritually oriented soul – when soul by nature is spiritually connected.  I’m assuming this is where I’m misunderstanding.  That soul as a wave is very far from the ocean of source when belief of being separate is dominant?

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In reality Emily almost all people on Earth have some kind of religion that has within it a cosmological beliefs about the an 'afterlife' after death of the physical body. Of course many within the consensus state anywhere do not necessarily think about the 'nature of the soul' or the 'ego's' that it creates in each life. The Soul's experience after physical death itself it not the same in what we can the astral plane. The astral plane is very, very vast and has within it all kinds of realities that reflect the evolutionary development of any given Soul. Any given Soul, after physical death, finds itself in an astral reality that reflects it's degree of evolution. For the vast majority of Souls, i.e. the consensus state, their Soul's, upon physical death of the body, go into a kinda stupor/ sleep in which they are minimally aware. For Soul's in this condition the 'awareness' is pretty much limited to being encased in dim lighting  until the next physical birth of the their Soul. Thus, there is not a lot of 'reflection' taking place in such a state because this state is very, very dreamlike.

Within all of this most Soul's upon rebirth from the astral to the physical have no memory at all of their astral experiences between physical births. So any gained knowledge or understandings that can and do take place within the astral realm between physical deaths resides within the Soul itself that manifests in the next physical life at a very subconscious, Uranus, level. Thus, the ego that the Soul manifests in each life, for most, does not consciously access whatever understandings and/or 'lessons' that were learned in it's astral life between physical deaths. That knowledge/ lessons however do work upon the egocentric consciousness of each Soul in a very subliminal way, yet act it does.   

This is another reason that it can take the Soul so very long to evolve over time. And yet it does evolve. And, as it does so, the concentric expansion of it's consciousness over time finally leads to a place wherein the Soul's very center of gravity, Saturn, within the consciousness it manifests in each life is in fact the Soul itself, and not the ego it has created: the wave and the ocean. In this evolved state of consciousness the Soul can in fact be aware of it's own entire evolutionary history, aware of it's experiences between physical deaths, and aware of all the Natural Laws that are to very basis of the Manifested Creation itself.

And, yes, this a very long journey. Yet, all of us on on that journey.


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Am I understanding correctly that it is just the nature of the bottom-line desire of each evolutionary state that moves the soul through the evolutionary state and onto the next?

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It is the bottom line of desire itself in all evolutionary states that correlate to the evolution of the Soul.

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Finally, in the consensus state, the desire to get ahead – the desire for material wealth etc, even though this is a separating desire, can this be thought of as a returning desire, in the sense that it moves the soul through the consensus state and through exhausting this desire?  Can other separating desires be viewed in this way - necessary to move the soul along through its evolution and so leading the soul to return?

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Yes, this is exactly the way to understand it.

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 Can a soul let go of separating desires if it hasn't experienced them?

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Yes.

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« Reply #4 on: Mar 04, 2014, 10:42 AM »

Hi Rad,

I have a question on the heels of your response to Emily,

How is it that mediums claim that loved ones who have crossed over are able to come forward with messages for their loved ones if they are in a kinda stupor or a sleep? Can the desire of their Souls to reach loved ones on Earth be strong enough to wake up from that sleep at times if they 'feel' the pull?

I know there have been very well known mediums, John Edwards and the like, who appear as if they are accessing Souls that have crossed over with information for their loved ones here on Earth, validating information that often allows for a healing, an intentional exchange.

What are your thoughts on this?

Thanks,
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« Reply #5 on: Mar 04, 2014, 12:06 PM »

Hi,

I always believed that whatever you believe is what you first experience when you arrive in the afterlife.  For example, if you believe you will be greeted by family members who passed before you, then you will be.  If you believe that you are going to either heaven or hell, then you will, at first.

There is a Robin Williams movie called "What Dreams May Come" that illustrates this idea.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120889/

It's a pretty good movie showing how the power of belief, and how our thoughts create our reality, works on the astral plane.  Has anyone else here ever watched it?

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« Reply #6 on: Mar 04, 2014, 01:44 PM »

Thank you Rad for your response. -Emily
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« Reply #7 on: Mar 04, 2014, 03:05 PM »

 Hallo Rad , i hope it is Ok posting this on this thread as Ari felt unable to answer my question..... Steve wrote  in the glossary " We find our self's operating from the M.O the same self reality self identity we left with, perhaps in old age in the last go  round, in other words, we start exactly where we left off, literally " ............ This would seem to imply that their is no evolution for the soul in the period between life,s .? This goes against much of the extensive study and reading i have done on the subject , and on the testimonies of several evolved spiritual teachers that i have read .  Who say that an important part of the souls evolution can take place in the period in between incarnations on the earth plane. And that for most souls  an extensive and profound LIFE REVIEW ! takes place after death, and that this in itself exccelerates the evolution of the soul and its level of awareness ? You earlier in this thread seem to suggest that their is a certain learning process that does take place between life's ,  so is it true that certain evolution takes place in-between life's . and that one is born into ones new life in a more evolved sate then when died in the previous  life  ! Appreciate clarification many thanks ?
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« Reply #8 on: Mar 05, 2014, 07:25 AM »

Hi Rad,

I have a question on the heels of your response to Emily,

How is it that mediums claim that loved ones who have crossed over are able to come forward with messages for their loved ones if they are in a kinda stupor or a sleep? Can the desire of their Souls to reach loved ones on Earth be strong enough to wake up from that sleep at times if they 'feel' the pull?

I know there have been very well known mediums, John Edwards and the like, who appear as if they are accessing Souls that have crossed over with information for their loved ones here on Earth, validating information that often allows for a healing, an intentional exchange.

What are your thoughts on this?

Thanks,
Kristin


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Hi Kristin,

Not all Souls upon physical death of the body go into the stupor/ sleep like state. So the 'mediums' who then access Soul's who are out of a physical body by way of communicating with them, this communion occurs in what is called 'hyperspace', communicate with those Souls who are not in that stupor/ sleep like state.

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« Reply #9 on: Mar 05, 2014, 07:34 AM »

Hallo Rad , i hope it is Ok posting this on this thread as Ari felt unable to answer my question..... Steve wrote  in the glossary " We find our self's operating from the M.O the same self reality self identity we left with, perhaps in old age in the last go  round, in other words, we start exactly where we left off, literally " ............ This would seem to imply that their is no evolution for the soul in the period between life,s .? This goes against much of the extensive study and reading i have done on the subject , and on the testimonies of several evolved spiritual teachers that i have read .  Who say that an important part of the souls evolution can take place in the period in between incarnations on the earth plane. And that for most souls  an extensive and profound LIFE REVIEW ! takes place after death, and that this in itself exccelerates the evolution of the soul and its level of awareness ? You earlier in this thread seem to suggest that their is a certain learning process that does take place between life's ,  so is it true that certain evolution takes place in-between life's . and that one is born into ones new life in a more evolved sate then when died in the previous  life  ! Appreciate clarification many thanks ?

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Hi ginogropp1,

First, a warm welcome to our EA message board.

The evolution that can take place in the astral realm is directly proportionate to the degree of the evolution of any given Soul, and the 'rate' or 'pace' of that evolution. Life reviews after physical death due of course occur: in order to learn about the nature of the last life in ways that were not learned when the Soul was still encased in the physical form of that last life.

Yet, that which is learned in this way, for the vast majority of Souls, is not carried forwards into the next life in any kind of 'conscious' way. What is learned or realized of course occurs to the Soul in the astral realm. Upon rebirth that learning/ realizations are still within the Soul of course but, for most, is utterly unconscious relative to the ego the Soul creates in the next life. Thus, these lessons and realizations due have an affect on the ongoing evolution of the Soul from life to life, but at a very subliminal level for most Souls.

The subliminal awareness is triggered when the Soul recreates dynamics equaling circumstances in which the Soul can make a new choice in some way versus an existing / older choice from the previous life. The key issue here is choice making that itself is a function of desire. If that new choice is made then of course some degree of evolution then takes place. If not, it doesn't. It is just that simple. This is why Steve said all Soul's pick up where they left off.

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« Reply #10 on: Mar 05, 2014, 08:32 AM »

Hi Rad,

How does Hyperspace differ from the Astral planes?

Thank you

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« Reply #11 on: Mar 05, 2014, 09:06 AM »

Hi Rad,

How does Hyperspace differ from the Astral planes?

Thank you

All the best

Hi Skywalker,

Hyperspace it exactly where the astral and physical planes meet/ interact.

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« Reply #12 on: Mar 11, 2014, 10:28 PM »

Hi Rad

It is interesting that Astrologers who have sought and continue to integrate Freudian and Jungian, amongst other psychodynamic,concepts into Horoscopy, notably Liz Greene and Richard Tarnas, perceive the Moon as related to the Id not the Ego and Neptune as the primary planet which symbolises Jung's  Individuation process.

So I was wondering where this radically alternative thinking stems from,as you link the Moon to the Ego and Uranus to the Individuation process, or seem to ?



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« Reply #13 on: Mar 12, 2014, 05:35 AM »

Hi Rad

It is interesting that Astrologers who have sought and continue to integrate Freudian and Jungian, amongst other psychodynamic,concepts into Horoscopy, notably Liz Greene and Richard Tarnas, perceive the Moon as related to the Id not the Ego and Neptune as the primary planet which symbolises Jung's  Individuation process.

So I was wondering where this radically alternative thinking stems from,as you link the Moon to the Ego and Uranus to the Individuation process, or seem to ?

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Hi Charlie,

The teachings of EA that are taught here emanate from JWG not me, yet teachings that I fully support. The explanations for your questions about the correlations to the Moon, and Neptune, are already explained in this message board, and the writing/ lectures of Green himself. Thus, if you wish to actually know the reasons please refer to those sources.



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« Reply #14 on: Mar 12, 2014, 08:58 AM »

Thanks Rad


I have now read through the Essence of EA information here. JWG's ideas seem broadly similar to those of Blavatsky, Bailey et al, (hierarchy of soul growth, etc) whose thinking is somewhat removed from the Western Esoteric/Hermetic tradition. As you may know their ideas were shaped by those found more often in the Eastern Tradition, especially Hinduism,

As you may also know Jung was somewhat hostile to this literature and Freud outright dismissive. Although in regards to the concept of reincarnation Jung was interested in the biological transmission of ‘Ancestral Memory’, not so much, if at all, the idea of individual souls continued or contained in different lives.

But it seems to be JWG’s perceptions on the functions of the planets are often antithetical to those of Psychologicical/Psychodynamic Astrologers so it might not be a surprise to see him adopt a more unusual slant on  Psychodynamic models

For me it is interesting to look at JWG’s chart and reflect on  the Sagittarius /Pisces -  Sun./Moon dynamic, and Jupiter rising,  and ponder on how JWG may have structured  his cosmology from a more religious or ‘spiritual’ neurological basis.   

Regards

Charlie
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