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« on: May 19, 2014, 06:21 AM »

Hi Cat, Linda, Kristin, Skywalker, Katherine and anyone else who wishes to participate in this new thread on Saturn..........

So we will begin our Saturn thread today. Please read the following which is identifyng core archetypes that correlate with Saturn. As we move forwards we will be developing through discussion and chart analysis all of these archetypes. For now please read and if you have any questions ask them of me. God Bless, Rad

                                                               SATURN

Saturn correlates to forms as reflected in the natural law of gravity. Gravity is thus the determinant of form. Form then correlates to functions: the structural nature of form is determined by necessary functions relative to an organized whole. Consciousness, Neptune, that manifests from Pluto, the Soul, that manifests through the form of the humanoid is thus limited by the nature of that form as defined by the inherent functions of that form. From an evolutionary point of view, this then correlates to the limits of any form that requires the changing of form for the evolution of consciousness to proceed.

Saturn correlates to the structural nature of consciousness that the Soul determines from life to life because the specific structural nature of consciousness will then be orientated to ‘reality’ is such a way that it then reflects the ongoing evolutionary needs and requirements of the Soul itself. Thus, by house, sign, and aspects to the natal Saturn, the sign on the 10th house cusp, any planets in the 10th with their own aspects to the planets, will all correlate to this structure.

The S.Node of Saturn, which all humans on the planet share during this epic, all correlate to the transition from natural times, the matriarchy, to the patriarchy: S.Node of Saturn being in Capricorn. Individually, the S.Node of Saturn by house, and the aspects to it from other planets, correlate to the prior live structural nature of the consciousness of the Soul that applies to the current life ongoing evolutionary needs and requirements of the Soul.

Saturn correlates the nature of the ‘conditions’ that the Soul chooses to be born into that reflect the evolutionary needs of the Soul, and how this conditioning reflects those intentions. The nature of this conditioning reflects the totality of the society or culture, country, and regions with countries that impacts on the Soul in this way.

One of those conditionings is reflected in the fact that humans live together as structured groups: societies, tribes, countries and, as such, correlates to the social role that all humans have on behalf of that society: thus the role of that Soul chooses in any given life that reflects its evolutionary needs and intentions. That role on behalf of society, and on behalf of the individual context of each Soul, correlates to the work or 'career' that the Soul uses relative to facilitating in ongoing evolutionary needs.  

This then correlates to the formation of goals or ambitions of the Soul relative to it's individual station within the context of the whole of the group, and the means necessary to actualize those goals and ambitions. Each country or society has it's own socially accepted norms and customs that the consensus of the society our country has established that then correlates to whatever means must be used, as prescribed by society, to actualize the individual goals and ambitions reflected in the choices that the Soul makes for itself: it's career, work, or role within the context of the country or society of birth.

In turn this then correlates to the interfacing between the role of authority, as defined by society, parents, and the authority of the soul itself, and how the Soul responds or reacts to these external authorities.

Because Saturn correlates to the nature of laws, customs, norms and taboos that any group of people create in order to live together as an organized whole that then become the basis of judgments made by the individual or the group:  or judgments made by the individual within itself. The issue then becomes one wherein are the judgments being made are a function of made beliefs with all the attending moralities, ethics, rights and wrongs, etc, or judgments that emanate from natural laws? Judgments are necessary and a part of natural consciousness in human form. It is one of the natural ways that correlate to self-knowledge, and knowledge upon the nature of anything.

Saturn correlates with the very nature of time itself. Time is nothing more than that motion itself where motion equals time. One of the functions of time, motion, is aging. This natural aging as defined by motion, time, naturally leads to crystallization wherein the nature of whatever forms exist no longer reflect the evolutionary imperatives of the whole, or the individual. This then leads to the necessity of change, of evolving new forms and structures. As a natural function of time leading to necessary evolutionary change the consciousness of the Soul in human form creates reflection. Reflection is thus natural to consciousness for it leads the awareness of what needs to change in order for evolution to proceed: of that which is crystallized. Reflection also allows consciousness to learn through the vehicle of hindsight. Because reflection infers the evolutionary necessity to change in order to evolve this then directly correlates to a consciousness feeling limited or blocked by the very nature of it's existing conditions, within itself, and external to itself, which can then lead to depression within the consciousness of the Soul. This is intentional from the point of view of Natural Laws, the laws set in motion by the Creator of All Things, in order for the Soul to make the changes necessary for it's evolution to proceed.

Saturn also correlates to gender assignment as either defined by the nature of the culture, society, or tribe of birth and/or natural laws. Thus gender conditioning either through artificial conditioning as a reflection of norms, customs, and taboos that are made by men as a  function of beliefs versus conditioning relative to natural laws: natural male or female.

In combination all of  these archetypal dynamics of Saturn then ‘conditions’ all the other archetypes and dynamics within the birth chart: Venus, Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Moon, Sun, Uranus, and Neptune. But we must remember that the Soul, Pluto, is the determinant of Saturn relative to it’s ongoing evolutionary and karmic needs.
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2014, 10:11 AM »

Beautifully written, I look forward to participating.  Thank you! 
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2014, 04:28 PM »

Welcome Robin  Smiley



Each country or society has its own socially accepted norms and customs that the consensus of the society or country has established that then correlates to whatever means must be used, as prescribed by society, to actualize the individual goals and ambitions reflected in the choices that the Soul makes for itself: its career, work, or role within the context of the country or society of birth.



Hi Rad,

(Q1)  The choices of the Soul for its evolutionary journey are not limited to the "country or society of birth," as many Souls carry out their function in a country or society in which they were not born. Does this mean the Soul has a past life connection with that country (not of its birth)? Or perhaps the Soul needed to be born in that country (not of its birth) in order to fulfill specific evolutionary intentions?

(Q2)  Is the Soul imprinted with the Saturnian structures of its past lives correlating to the genetic code of its ancestors?  Can these Saturnian structures within the Soul then play out and "morph" from one country/race to another?

(Q3)  Because of the genetic code by which DNA stores the genetic information correlating to Saturn-Pluto-Uranus in the root chakra, does this mean a Soul can only keep reincarnating according to that one genetic code or ancestry? Can a Soul switch over to a totally different genetic code due to evolutionary intentions? If so, can this switch over to a new "race" happen gradually or suddenly?  Can several races be stored in the genetic code of a Soul?    

(Q4)  If a Soul is playing a social role for the "world" and not just for one country, what consensus of norms and customs is it adhering to?  International law?  

Thank you.

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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2014, 07:07 AM »

Beautifully written, I look forward to participating.  Thank you! 

Hi Robin,

Welcome to our message board, and we certainly welcome your participation.

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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2014, 07:19 AM »

Hi Linda,

Welcome Robin  Smiley



Each country or society has its own socially accepted norms and customs that the consensus of the society or country has established that then correlates to whatever means must be used, as prescribed by society, to actualize the individual goals and ambitions reflected in the choices that the Soul makes for itself: its career, work, or role within the context of the country or society of birth.


Hi Rad,

(Q1)  The choices of the Soul for its evolutionary journey are not limited to the "country or society of birth," as many Souls carry out their function in a country or society in which they were not born. Does this mean the Soul has a past life connection with that country (not of its birth)? Or perhaps the Soul needed to be born in that country (not of its birth) in order to fulfill specific evolutionary intentions?

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Both can be true.

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(Q2)  Is the Soul imprinted with the Saturnian structures of its past lives correlating to the genetic code of its ancestors?  Can these Saturnian structures within the Soul then play out and "morph" from one country/race to another?

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Yes

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(Q3)  Because of the genetic code by which DNA stores the genetic information correlating to Saturn-Pluto-Uranus in the root chakra, does this mean a Soul can only keep reincarnating according to that one genetic code or ancestry? Can a Soul switch over to a totally different genetic code due to evolutionary intentions? If so, can this switch over to a new "race" happen gradually or suddenly?  Can several races be stored in the genetic code of a Soul?    

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The Soul has all the memories of everything that it has ever done, experienced, relative to the desires that it has had for whatever conditions that it has chosen to be born into. The Soul can chose to be born into the genetic code of it's ancestry or not, it can totally switch to another genetic code altogether, the switch to a new race is just that meaning it is sudden, and, again, everything the Soul has ever done by way of the totality of all prior lives is stored within the Soul itself: memory. And that totality is, of itself, conditioning the Soul from moment to moment no matter what race, or country, or parents, etc, etc, etc at all times.

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(Q4)  If a Soul is playing a social role for the "world" and not just for one country, what consensus of norms and customs is it adhering to?  International law?

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Both the norms and customs of it's country of birth as well as the custom, etc, as defined by International law.

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God Bless, Rad
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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2014, 10:47 AM »

Hi Rad,

Thanks so much for this information.  I was thinking about how Saturn conditions the other planets and realized I had a couple of questions:

1)   Mars is the leading edge of the Soul’s evolution, thus acting out the desires of the Soul.  The culture into which we are born impacts how or whether or not we can act out these desires and thus influences our evolution.  

Question 1: Since Mars correlates to the “original anxiety of separation", I am wondering if part of what this means is that, if the environment into which we are born does not support our intrinsic nature, then the original anxiety, which is always there to some extent when striking out in a new direction (Mars) becomes entrenched because structures that support who one truly is never develop?  In other words, the issue isn't really the original anxiety, it is whether or not, ultimately, structures come into being that support our instinct to know ourselves?  

Question 2: The other side of this is that, if this IS one's experience, ie, the structures that one encounters do not support one's development, then the likely reason for this is that the Soul's desire is for the individual to learn to provide these structures for oneself (Aries natural square to Cancer-Capricorn).  In doing so, the original anxiety naturally subsides?


2)   Uranus represents individuation.  Ideally the structures we are born into support our individuation but often times they do not.  Thus Saturn conditions Uranus - the culture we are born into impacts the individuation process.  

Question 1: Given that Saturn rules both Capricorn and Aquarius, can it be said that the individuation process also conditions the other planets?  As an example, if the values that have been instilled in us are out of alignment with who we truly are, this need to be who we truly are (individuation) will cause us to break free of restricting values that are not true for us.

Question 2:  The driving force of evolution is Pluto.  Yet with regard to question 1, I am wondering how to make sense of this, ie, is it the individuation process that stimulates the Soul to ask Why?  (It seems like the Individuation process [Uranus] is what stimulates evolution, so that is where my confusion is.)


With appreciation,
Ellen




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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2014, 07:57 AM »

Hi Ellen,

Hi Rad,

Thanks so much for this information.  I was thinking about how Saturn conditions the other planets and realized I had a couple of questions:

1)   Mars is the leading edge of the Soul’s evolution, thus acting out the desires of the Soul.  The culture into which we are born impacts how or whether or not we can act out these desires and thus influences our evolution.  

Question 1: Since Mars correlates to the “original anxiety of separation", I am wondering if part of what this means is that, if the environment into which we are born does not support our intrinsic nature, then the original anxiety, which is always there to some extent when striking out in a new direction (Mars) becomes entrenched because structures that support who one truly is never develop?  In other words, the issue isn't really the original anxiety, it is whether or not, ultimately, structures come into being that support our instinct to know ourselves?  

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The Soul is responsible, Saturn, for all that it creates including whatever structures it manifests through. If such structures do not support the Soul's instinct to know itself then the question is why the Soul has done that, and that which is has done it is still responsible for. The 'original anxiety of separation' is what Wolf taught that connects to, ultimately, the projected Creation is the first place wherein the Source Of All Things separated from Itself all the Souls that It has created. This is then experienced by a Soul upon birth from it's physical mother life after life.

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Question 2: The other side of this is that, if this IS one's experience, ie, the structures that one encounters do not support one's development, then the likely reason for this is that the Soul's desire is for the individual to learn to provide these structures for oneself (Aries natural square to Cancer-Capricorn).  In doing so, the original anxiety naturally subsides?

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For some Souls this can be true but the original anxiety is never totally gone.

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2)   Uranus represents individuation.  Ideally the structures we are born into support our individuation but often times they do not.  Thus Saturn conditions Uranus - the culture we are born into impacts the individuation process.  

Question 1: Given that Saturn rules both Capricorn and Aquarius, can it be said that the individuation process also conditions the other planets?  As an example, if the values that have been instilled in us are out of alignment with who we truly are, this need to be who we truly are (individuation) will cause us to break free of restricting values that are not true for us.

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In EA Uranus correlates with Aquarius, and Saturn to Capricorn. Individuation correlates specifically with Uranus, Aquarius, and the 11th house and the archetype of liberation from the known where the known correlates with the Soul's existing reality: Saturn, Capricorn, and the 10th House. When a Soul desires to liberate from the existing conditions of it's life that are defined, Saturn, etc, this the individuation from those existing conditions then affects all other archetypes within the totality of the consciousness of the Soul: Neptune/Pluto/Moon. So, yes, all the other planets are thus affected.

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Question 2:  The driving force of evolution is Pluto.  Yet with regard to question 1, I am wondering how to make sense of this, ie, is it the individuation process that stimulates the Soul to ask Why?  (It seems like the Individuation process [Uranus] is what stimulates evolution, so that is where my confusion is.)

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The individuation process has to be first DESIRED by the Soul in the first place. When that happens then that desire to individuate, liberate, manifests at first through the archetypes of Uranus, Aquarius, and the 11th House. As to Soul begins to take action in this way then it creates a domino affect upon all the other archetypes: planets, signs, and houses.




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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2014, 09:23 AM »

Thank you, Rad.  I believe I have understood everything you have written and appreciate the clarifications.

With appreciation,
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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2014, 06:58 AM »

Hi Group,

So we will continue on with are EA discussion of the archetypes that correlate with Saturn, Capricorn, and the 10th House.

Since humans are a social organism Saturn correlates with the need to live together as an organized whole that is regulated by laws, customs, norms, rules, and taboos. Without that humans would be in a state of perpetual anarchy. So the issue then becomes whether those rules, laws, etc are emanating from Natural Laws, or whether they are man made laws that are either completely divorced from Natural Laws and/ or have some Natural Laws mingled within them. This then creates the pressure for each individual within an organized group to CONFORM to those laws, rules, regulations, etc so that the majority of the humans within that organized whole can then feel safe and secure: the natural polarity to Capricorn being Cancer, the Moon, and the 4th House. Psychological and emotional security for most, the majority which correlates with Capricorn, correlates with the need to be self consistent. Thus, the self consistency that is expected by the majority as projected on each member within the organized whole. To deviate from this, Uranus, Saturn retrograde, is to create an uneasiness within the majority that equals feeling insecure because of that deviancy or rebellions against the pressure to conform by any individual who does not conform.

Judgments are then made and projected upon any member who does not conform to the will of the majority. Such Judgments then have the affect of making the individual feel guilt, as if there is something wrong with them.

Guilt can have two causes. One is what can be called ‘learned’ guilt. Learned guilt is a function of man made laws, customs, taboos, and norms that have nothing to do with the Natural Laws that were set in motion at the moment of the Manifest Creation. These man made laws, etc, are of course used by humans to form judgments of themselves and others. When ‘violations’ occur of these made made laws, etc, then this is a cause of ‘learned guilt’.

Conversely, guilt also occurs to a Soul with any Natural Law is violated or transgressed. The difference is that when guilt occurs relative to violations of any Natural Law there is an intention for that that emanates from the Source Of All Things. And that intention is to learn, because of the guilt, about that which is inherently right and wrong from the point of view of these Natural Laws. Such guilt can never leave the Soul for, after all, this is how the Source Of All Things intends for the Souls that It has created to learn about what is right and wrong.

Learned guilt is just that: learned. This type of guilt needs to be jettisoned from the Soul because it is completely unnecessary in the first place. The only ‘learning’ that comes from such guilt is the learning of what the man made laws, customs, taboos, and norms are about, and why. Yet this type of guilt can burden a Soul for a very long time and affect it’s inner relationship to itself because of: “I feel shitty about myself”. This type of guilt can thus inhibit the Soul from taken actions, and making choices, that it needs to make for it’s own ongoing evolutionary needs. Learned guilt does not stay with the Soul because it has nothing to do with what in inherently right and wrong from the point of view of Natural Laws.

Another archetype of Capricorn, Saturn, and the 10th house that arrives from this is one of control. The majority of any society, tribe, culture, or country that attempts to control the ‘reality’ of each individual by way of it’s customs, norms, rules, laws, and so on. And extension of this then leads to the need in many humans of needing to be in control of their own lives, and for some Souls attempting to control the lives of others who are close to those Souls.

Another core archetype correlates with self determination. Self determination is necessary for the consciousness of the Soul to actualize it’s evolutionary intentions and needs. Without self determination a Soul can simply become an empty vessel that waits for others to do that which it needs to do for itself. Self determination is necessary for the Soul to psychologically and emotionally mature: to grow up. Without self determination the Soul remains emotionally and psychologically immature. Such Souls are like children who expect and wait for the parents to take care of them in some way.

Self determination leads to becoming responsible for oneself, and responsible for one’s own actions. Self determination, emotional/ psychological maturation, and being responsible for oneself and one’s actions all correlates with Saturn, Capricorn, and the 10th House.

Another archetype that correlates with Saturn, Capricorn, and the 10th house is one of futility which can manifest within the consciousness of the Soul when it feels repeatedly blocked by circumstances that it feels is beyond it’s control. Futility can give way to the psychology of giving up, the opposite of self determination, no matter what. The Soul then feels that it is being controlled by forces or factors larger than itself. In combination this can then lead to the psychology of depression, loss of meaning for one’s life, and a progressive withdrawal from the conditions of the life the Soul itself has created.

Saturn, Capricorn, and the 10th House also correlates with the archetype of feeling burdened, of feeling obligated, by way of taking care of all the various responsibilities that the Soul creates for itself in each life. The weight of life itself: Saturn. 

Saturn retrograde: When Saturn is retrograde at birth this correlates to a Soul who needs to establish their own authority and reality on their own terms. It accelerates the inherent individuation process, Uranus, of any Soul. When retrograde Saturn correlates to a consciousness in the Soul that is inherently reflective to a high degree, and learns about itself and life because of this high degree of self reflection. When retrograde Saturn can create an inner psychological sense within the Soul of not being able to connect or relate to the ‘reality’: a feeling of being disconnected from that which most people are connected too. Saturn retrograde Souls do connect to other Saturn retrograde Souls quite easily because their inner orientation to ‘reality’ is the same. Saturn retrograde Souls desire to create a reality for themselves that is reflective of who their are as individuals. When this is not possible for whatever reasons, and they are ‘forced’ into living within reality structures that the consensus of whatever society has created, not only do they feel disconnected and alienated but there will be a deep sadness that permeates their Souls. Conversely, if Saturn retrograde Souls do create a reality for themselves that does reflect their individuality then they will have a inner sense of well being because of.

Saturn retrograde Souls desires and needs to keep recreating, retrograde, their overall reality until their inner sense of their reality totally reflects their inner sense of individuality. It is like they are never totally satisfied, Saturn, until that happens. Satisfaction itself correlates to Saturn, Capricorn, and the 10th House.

If you have any questions please ask them of me now.

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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2014, 12:37 PM »

Hi Rad,

Thank you for beginning this discussion on Saturn.

I have a question about the 'structural nature of consciousness that the Soul determines from life to life'. There are plants on Earth that are able to alter our consciousness, plants like Peyote, Ayahuasca, Marijuana, Mushrooms and others. Some are used recreationally and some ceremonially by shamans and others.

I guess my question is what are the effects of using these in terms of how they affect the structure of consciousness from life to life.... do they act as a dissolving agent to the structure of consciousness? I remember JWG talking about how he was initiated into the Peyote religion and how that totally changed his brain 'permanently' he said.

Between lifetimes does the soul hold on to the same structure of consciousness or does it determine a unique structure before incarnation?

Is our consciousness on earth in these bodies completely different than it is in-between lives?

If someone comes into this life with a certain structure of awareness and that structure is changed 'permanently' by peyote or some other natural phenomenon such as a direct experience with god via meditation, is that permanence carried within the structure of consciousness after the life is over?

Thanks so much.
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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2014, 07:00 AM »

Hi Sunyata,

Hi Rad,

Thank you for beginning this discussion on Saturn.

I have a question about the 'structural nature of consciousness that the Soul determines from life to life'. There are plants on Earth that are able to alter our consciousness, plants like Peyote, Ayahuasca, Marijuana, Mushrooms and others. Some are used recreationally and some ceremonially by shamans and others.

I guess my question is what are the effects of using these in terms of how they affect the structure of consciousness from life to life.... do they act as a dissolving agent to the structure of consciousness?

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It depends on the type of plants, and it's not a matter of dissolving the structure of consciousness but expanding it. Of the plants you named all do this except marijuana.

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 I remember JWG talking about how he was initiated into the Peyote religion and how that totally changed his brain 'permanently' he said.

Between lifetimes does the soul hold on to the same structure of consciousness or does it determine a unique structure before incarnation?

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It determines the structure it needs in each life that correlates with it's ongoing evolutionary needs.

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Is our consciousness on earth in these bodies completely different than it is in-between lives?

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This depends on the degree of evolution for each Soul. The intrinsic nature of consciousness in human form is sustained for all yet depending on the degree of evolution the level of expanded consciousness in between lives on Earth can be remarkable.

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If someone comes into this life with a certain structure of awareness and that structure is changed 'permanently' by peyote or some other natural phenomenon such as a direct experience with god via meditation, is that permanence carried within the structure of consciousness after the life is over?

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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2014, 07:31 AM »

Hi Group,

Here are the anatomical, physiological, and chakra system correlations with Saturn, Capricorn, and the 10th House.

Anatomical Correlations – Saturn

Entire skeleton with specific co-ruler to different areas of the body:

Spine co-ruled with Pluto
Arms and hands with Mercury
Neck with Venus
Head with Mars
Feet with Neptune
Legs with Jupiter
Pelvis with Pluto
Teeth
Anal canal with Pluto
Skin with co-ruler Neptune as this correlates with the pigmentation in the skin relative to the hormone melanin.
Bone marrow and the B and T cells that emanate from it.
Sheathing within the nerves called myelin.
Cortex with Uranus
Fornix with Uranus
Parahippocampal gyrus with Uranus
Pituitary gland co-ruled with Jupiter and Pluto
Parathyroid gland co-ruled with Jupiter and Pluto
Cell structure
Cutaneous membrane which pertains to the skin which correlates with Saturn.
Synovia membrane which pertains to dense connective tissue that secretes synovial fluid which correlates with co-ruler Pluto.
Cartilage tissues with co-ruler Pluto.
Muscle tissue that connects to the skeletal bones co-ruled with Mars
Trachea co-ruled with Uranus
Structure of the nose co-ruled with Uranus and Venus
Valves within the body including the valves within the heart

Physiological Correlations – Saturn

Spinal fluid co-ruled with Pluto
Synovial fluids
Fats

Chakra System Correlations – Saturn

Outer layer of the root chakra co-ruled with Uranus, the middle layer, and Pluto to the core.


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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2014, 12:06 PM »

Hello Rad,

Again, thank you for your discussion of Saturn, fascinating planet.  What I mean by that is for me it seems that the higher possibilities are mastery, self-determination, maturity/wisdom and a wonderful sense of who we are and what we are trying to create/manifest, great leadership potential.

My question is this, if a soul comes into this life with alot of Saturn energy i.e. many planets in Capricorn, sun & nn for example, which would to me seem very potent in the soul desiring to express that Capricorn energy, in an evolving evolutionary pull in the life...how do they deal with the feelings of futility, depression, guilt etc.?  I realize that depression is necessary sometimes, but when it become crippling and you feel like no matter what you do you are doomed, how would you help a client with this?  I guess it comes down to taking responsibility for one's own life and realizing that we are co-creating our reality with the beliefs that we hold.  I guess the soul has to want to grow up, and then it stems from there?  It just seems, as I know people like this that it is very crippling indeed.

This is very confusing, could you help clarify.  Thank you!

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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2014, 07:41 AM »

Hi Robin,

Yes, the only way through such a dilemma is sustained self determination no matter what: persistence at all costs. Within this to make the inner effort to reflect upon, thus become responsible for, the causes that are responsible for the Soul creating such conditions for itself. Inwardly armed with that knowledge as to the 'why' of the Soul's circumstances can go along way in terms of creating the sustained self determination that is required in those conditions in order to, at some point, break free from those conditions. I have observed many Souls who have created these kinds of conditions who have managed to keep going no matter what. And, for many, those who succeed in that self determination end up in a reality, of their own making, in which all the prior conditions that have caused the sense of self defeat, futility, the feeling of constantly being blocked, etc, in which almost overnight all those conditions suddenly change. And they change to just the opposite: the block doors are suddenly opened, all the inner ambitions and desires for this and that, now becoming possible. It is as if the Soul has created a 'test' for itself in which the self determination is being 'tested', no matter what, and when that test is past the entire life seems to suddenly open up for them. 

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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2014, 06:05 AM »

Thank you Rad!  Feels so right to me.  I deeply appreciate your input.

With love,

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