Hi Ari, Lia, Lesley and all ….
Just a few questions and comments, hoping it’s ok if I jump in …
This woman has Saturn in 1st house Saturn Rx ruling 9th House … wouldn’t this correlate to a structure of consciousness that needs to be free to create all type of experiences in order to establish what is true and real for her ? …. A Soul that from time to time doubts of her own experiences and beliefs, as a consequence of pressure to conform she has received from mainstream thought ??
That makes sense to me, however at her evolutionary state, I haven't observed her ever doubting her own beliefs, but the opposite- being really affirmed in them to the point of creating her own reality around them. I think you picked up on that astrologically as well...
As an example, her father is of a mainstream christian religion and for some time has tried to get my friend to "change" and not be condemned to hell. So she's been in opposition to her culture about her natural knowing of things since she was a child. And of course how strongly this has effected her feeling of "not being seen" (father, 5th house). To affirm herself, her natural path has been to "create" something that reflects her own spirituality. I see that as Capricorn on the 9th with Saturn retro on the AC. She has been writing a book, and has taught classes about a path that she developed herself.
… Neptune in the 7th Sag would correlate to illusions/delusions about not only people in general being fair or good but also to the inherent and general goodness of manifested Creation … wouldn’t the opposition of the Moon in the 1st Gemini correlate to experiences of disillusionment which have caused her to doubt of her instinctual/emotional response to experience, and (given the Moon’s rulership of the 3rd house Cáncer) this doubts permeating how she generally interprets phenomenal reality ? … this would suggests that she knows (SN ruler being in the 9th conjunct NN), but, though she knows, she still doubts, and somehow, perhaps at a mental level keeps thinking things may be one way or the other … thus needing to recreate experiences leading to establish what is actually real for her … and of course, to take emotion into the picture, ie. integrating her emotional response as necessary information in the process of establishing phenomenal reality … to think with her emotional body instead of suppressing emotion …. for instance, if she happens to feel fear, not to get scared but to think that her body is telling her that here may be something dangerous of what she needs to be aware …. also, to take note of what she doubts of instead of thinking that it doesn’t matter whether it is one way or the other, in order to elaborate what the emotional reasons for the doubts are …
So is that the reasoning for why some time ago, all of her friends and neighbors got together and "confronted her" for trying to leave a relationship that was VERY ABUSIVE? Everyone around her was distorted in thinking she should actually stay in the relationship. She finally had to realize that she was being overly trusting to everyone, and left that world behind. Is this cancer on the third (emotional reluctance to change one's surrounding) with moon in gemini conj saturn (disconnected from emotions instinct) opposing Neptune in sag in the 7th (everyone else's projections of who she is, what's best for her).
… It is clear already that she has been very dependent on having others confirming her strong egocentric orientation (Pluto in the 5th, SN in Leo) …. and it is also clear that she has tried to obtain confirmation at ego level from others who, given their own evolutionary condition, do not believe what she believes or knows (Pluto ruler being Venus in the 10th Pisces … 2nd and 5th house ruler being Mercury in the 9th Cap) …. given that Pluto rules the 7th where Neptune lies, and the sextile between Pluto and Neptune, keeping in mind that Pluto/Mars are in full phase with Mars ruling her 12th … wouldn’t she feel easily drawn to compulsively keep on asserting herself in self-deluding relationships , as an unconscious means to create necessary confrontations with reality?? … given that the SN is in the 3rd the ruler being the Sun in the 9th and with Jupiter in the 8th Sag, she would be very emotionally invested in her beliefs … though, the inconjunct between Saturn/Jupiter suggests that she would need to create experiences leading to crisis in order to reevaluate how she is interpreting reality about herself, others and life in general … in order to readjust these beliefs … she would have been reluctant to do this because she has preferred to suppress or ignore her own doubts and just trust her strength to face whatever comes up and/or to change situations and people, as compensation of feelings of not being loved (Pluto 5th Libra, Venus 10th Pisces, Chiron in Aries opposing Pluto, Saturn Rx 1st …), this creating a superwoman type complex ??
pluto in libra in 5th ruling 7th house where neptune is, sextile neptune- are you saying a pattern of attracting relationships in which she can be honored and admired as a way of experiencing more control in her relationships? (also, whats the relevance of the mars pluto phase here?)
… with Pluto in the 5th, it is clear that the Lucifer conjunction refers at this level the need to stop depending on others to confirm her specialness …. the NN ruler Uranus going back to the 5th indicating the intention to free herself of the need to be loved and reckoned by so many others, or the need to be so special to deserve being loved … thus, accepting to be loved and acknowledged by the right people as an equal … this would in turn allow the conscious confirmation to be made that there are things good and things not so good, things she can bear and things she must avoid, instead of taking over herself the darkness of others as a means to be loved, though losing sight of her own light in the way
… then, would the Neptune square to SN of Lucifer in the 4rd Leo correlate to how her emotional dependence on ego recognition (4th Leo) have prepared the ground for her delusions/illusions about others, about her need to heal others, potential disillusionments as to who she can and she cannot help, and further, about beliefs and interpretation of reality at a metaphysical level?
ah, that makes sense to me. And so are you saying, similar to the last point i commented on, that her patterns to "help others" (neptune in 7th) have been highly derived from her need to be special (sn lucifer in leo in 4th)? and that has lead her to be disillusioned about her own limitations and creating healthy boundaries (neptune in 7th) as to not just let anyone in who promised her glory (lucifer sn in leo 4th).
Thank you for the chance to participate in this thread, wishing to read your upcoming posts and answers on the subject.
I just want to say how nice it is to be reading someone's interpretation. I'm learning a lot bc you posted gonzalo and I look forward to hearing your responses.
Lia, I did supply the birth data (on the chart image itself)... are you referring to something else?
Well I understand what you are saying 'to you' it appears so...but I'd like to ask you to please apply the EA correlation for we are not talking about what you believe (sorry!) we are talking about EA...and taurus has absolutely NOTHING to do with the correlation of the feminine according to EA.
Please read Pluto vol. 1 about the archetypes as what the 2nd house and taurus correlates to. Also read vol.2 about venus.
Please do so for these projections may lead you to misunderstand the chart...the yin energy what you feel actually comes from venus in pisces and has nothing to do with taurus in itself...it also comes from the CANCER 3rd cusp (cancer moon is what correlates to our feminine side and our emotional side which is also a yin energy of course) this 3rd cancer cusp creates a person who one the one hand interacts with it's immediate environment on an EMOTIONAL level and with the pisces venus it will certainly create an appearance (3rd house) of feminine-ness.....all this has nothing to do with taurus in itself...these are perceptions that you picked up from your friend...don't project this perception onto a symbol that has nothing to do with it....
Taurus in itself when it is out of balance can create such selfishness, greed etc. for example....WHEN IT IS OUT OF BALANCE....SO think about that and the fact that taurus will always be define in every chart by THE RULER VENUS....so we can not know anything about taurus in a chart until we haven't examined it's ruler....
So please go back to the EA correlations and make and attempt to correctly apply them.....
I really appreciate the energy your putting into this, thank you. I care if I'm misapplying the information on the chart, as I am committed to learn the EA reasoning. However, defining a word is just a matter of linguistics. Is there anything I wrote that you find to be inaccurate as far as INTERPRETATION from an ea point of view goes?
I understand what your saying about Taurus- to me that is what femininity is all about. In this case, I can see the illusions (12th house) have been based on a guilt that it was wrong for her to enjoy sensuality, and pleasure for her own self. I would still assess from this chart that this can be linked to previous lifetimes in which she was persecuted for how she related to her own values. I use femininity here as a way to describe the sensual survival nature of Taurus- simply enjoying her body and experiencing the love of it- from the point of view of being connected to her natural resources, and the ability to receive what is. Relative to Pluto and the nodes- there were past lives in which she was a preistess of sorts, leading orgies or things like that (5th house pluto sextile neptune in 7th, south node in leo in the 3rd with sun in Aquarius- and also, the ruler of the nn of Lucifer which is conj the lunar north node in Leo in the 5th, opposing mars- both of which are semi/sesqui square the nodes for having "overdone" it in the past). Activities that were blissful and fun, but also naive in which she shared herself too openly with others, and irresponsible at times (venus in pisces, neptune in 7th opposing saturn) resulting in an attraction of souls that had negative intentions and being persecuted by social figures. Is this false?? If so, why?
The Pallas athene here seems to imply a pattern of self sacrifice (12th) that has developed as it relates to what makes her life worth living (taurus)- such that she developed an idealized concept of purity, and felt personal pleasure (Taurus) to be sinful. What she built (nn of lucifer in 10th) was alternative structures (aquarius in the 10th) that allowed for quiet and meditation (taurus in the 12th). The skipped step here i believe is in having believed that the body, or personal riches leads to sin- while at some point she was on the opposite end, over doing pleasure in a way that wasn't responsible or ethical.
And the intent of Taurus is to be connected to LIFE. To be "in the body". So she's been struggling to find a balance between her personal resources and TRUTH.
This Pallas athene is ruled by Venus in Pisces in the 10th which is conjunct Vesta- showing that she has set herself up in society, and committed herself to be a "savior" so to speak. She has been devoted to direct her personal resources towards the public in such a way as to create something that can be beneficial for the masses. Her sense of self worth has been linked to becoming someone, or building something tangible and helpful in the world. Thus having created relationships with other people (venus in pisces square neptune in 7th) who she thought she was helping, but was really affirming her own sense of self worth (neptune square sn of Lucifer in Leo in 4th)
I feel like I'm creating a very specific story with all this information, and I'd love to know if I'm totally missing the boat... Thank you everyone again for just being here