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Upasika
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« Reply #180 on: May 25, 2012, 10:03 PM »

Steve,

I'd love to do that. But perhaps I should get the book first and read what Kristin has already said ... it would probably give me lots of insights straight up. Have always been meaning to get the book, just when I had the spare $, which haven't had. Maybe in a couple of months I'll be better placed financially.

Also too, I've had a bit of a burst with a few posts the last couple of days, but am feeling quite spent now. Think that's about all I can do here on the MB for a while, will need to ease off and rest. I've got one last deep health process to go through till the beginning of July, then hopefully I'll be able to be more active in life again after that. So, once I've got the book and read it, if I then have some questions I'll get back to you on your offer, and we could take it from there...

Thanks lots.

blessings Upasika
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« Reply #181 on: May 26, 2012, 11:32 AM »

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the additional input regarding the soul (Pluto), I felt as I was writing that I was not mentioning a core piece of the teaching.

You captured exactly what I was meaning to convey with the below:

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"You mean I am just OK as I am?"

This is the realization that I feel is most helpful, whatever words or metaphors it takes to get there Smiley

Blessings,
Heidi
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« Reply #182 on: Sep 08, 2012, 03:21 PM »

Hi everyone,

I just read through this whole post and found it extremely helpful. So thanks to you all for participating!

I have some lingering questions in regard to those souls that are very committed to being on the "spiritual path" but are not necessarily in the spiritual state. I live in a place where being spiritual is the hip and in thing, almost to the point of spiritual snobbery. I've noticed a large amount of serial seekers that are always involved with some kind of spiritual teaching, usually non-dual. These souls seem to spend a great deal of time in intellectual debate about the teaching, the teacher, whether they agree, what is wrong with it, what is right with it, etc, etc. I'm feeling that these souls are largely individuated 3rd? I ask this because of the intellectual approach, which is obviously very Uranian. What also strikes me is that these souls appear to be doing this kind of seeking for their own growth and not for the service of others, it is like a lifestyle choice for them. Therefore, there is still an element of ego attached to their spiritualization. The part that is in constant debate appears to also be in doubt, unsure of what to trust or what is the right path for them. I feel that a soul firmly planted in spiritual 1st would experience their spirituality more from an inner emotional context, and therefore not feel the need to debate around the houses (or sound superior), and be more able to discern from an emotional and intuitive context what the right path is for them?

I am also curious about how the evolutionary states play out with the guru path. For instance, I know some souls that have been involved with a guru but once they realized the relational dysfunction among the devotees, and the aggrandizement of guru which they no longer bought into, they left. I imagine these could be individuated 3rd and possibly spiritual 1st? There are others that notice the dysfunction and stay, and this is curious to me because I see different reasons for staying. Some seem to enjoy it, like a rebellion, for instance proclaiming that they don't identify with the worship of the guru, are not dependent or vulnerable, yet perfectly at home in some way. I'm assuming this is an individuated 2nd soul? Again, I can sense a lot of heart in many of these souls but the devotional piece is clouded by an unsure ego. I know a few others that are fully aware of the dysfunction, aren't necessarily rebellious, but stay out of love and devotion because they feel that the guru somehow "saved" them. However, I still feel that in these cases the devotion is somewhat misplaced because it is not being fully recognized as coming from within, but rather projected onto a guru that in some cases has taken advantage of the devotee. Would this be individuated 3rd?

Finally, the EA teachings strongly emphasize the humility, desire to serve, and also seeking of spiritual self-improvement in spiritual 1st souls. If I am correct in my understanding, this type of soul would primarily be seeking to evolve by following their own path of service, whatever that was to them, and trusting in and being guided by their own soul. To me this could be anything and doesn't necessarily mean having a guru (which is more understood as coming from within), but at the same time it could also be about having a guru. However there would be a clear integration and recognition of the capacity in which the guru was serving the soul. Any thoughts on this piece would be appreciated since I often feel that souls are often perceived as being in the spiritual state when they are devoted to a guru, yet most of the souls I've come across that have one seem to be largely in the individuated state. I also feel that since we are moving into the Aquarian Age, the traditional guru (Leo) path may be about to phase out as more and more souls embrace equality.

Many thanks and blessings,
Heidi
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Rad
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« Reply #183 on: Sep 09, 2012, 07:11 AM »

Hi Heidi,

From all that you have observed and shared about those observations I feel that your estimation of these types of Souls being in the 3rd Individuated evolutionary state is exactly right. As I was reading through what you shared the memory of the Beatles came into my mind when they were off to India seeking out Maharishi, and what each as individuals then did with that. Seemed real similar to me, and each of those Souls in the Beatles was in the 3rd individuated state with John right next moving into the 1st spiritual state.

God Bless, Rad 
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« Reply #184 on: Sep 09, 2012, 07:46 AM »

Hi Heidi, thanks for that post -that was thought provoking for me.

Rad, was Krishnamurti third individuated?
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« Reply #185 on: Sep 09, 2012, 07:49 AM »

Hi Ari,

To me he was, and at the very edge of moving fully into the 1st Spiritual Stage.

God Bless, Rad
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« Reply #186 on: Sep 09, 2012, 02:09 PM »

Thanks Rad; and you're welcome Ari  Smiley
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