Hi All,
A really excellant idea for a thread, Ellen.
By the way, just to throw my opinion out there, I like the idea of using public figures (famous/non-famous) who have sufficient and accurate biographical information. Like Carl Jung, or Sarah Palin, etc...and then perhaps a moderator could step in occasionally and keep us on track when we come to a conclusion...or a halting point...?
Anyhow, she popped in and said something like, "I am very concerned for my daughter, and she has spoken of you highly as someone that cares for her. Her behavior is erratic... she is in so much inner turmoil...she blames everyone else for her problems, she works for me at my restaurant and takes such advantage of me...she is late for work all the time, she is completely irresponsible, she is bitter to everyone, she is isolating herself and is not open to anything or anyone...she blames me for all her problems and she hates me,she does not think i love her or care for her, she is breaking my heart...etc. etc." The mother basically came to me in desperation!... a call for help. I chatted with her a while --and to make a long story short, I did my best to direct her into letting go of the guilt she is carrying, if even for one split second!-- and I know she was brought to tears with me bc she told me "i am crying right now dhyana, thank u" --, and I assured her that I KNEW,( as a mother myself), that she loved and cared enormously for her daughter and somewhere in side, so does the daughter!. etc.
(And something important to note about the daughter, is that she has an addiction to prescription meds, the mother is aware of this too, but i do not feel the mother knows the extent of the addiction ( or maybe she just does not want to know) --that's another story --(ie. stole medications from my home, her grandfathers home, etc).
Dhyana,
It does sound as if Ashley fits into the Individuated Stage. That she would consider possibly seeing an Astrologer (even though she did not follow through) would probably move her out of the Consensus Stage. Also, since the archetype is that "a second or third stage consensus person is DEFINED by conforming…that is WHO THEY SEE THEMSELVES AS. They value SAMENESS..." I would say then she is past consensus.
By the way, 'she is completely irresponsible' - in those opinion, the mother's? What is the mother's definition of responsibility (or lack thereof?) Is it a consenus opinion of responsibility? So, what does the daughter think is important...where in HER life does SHE think she is responsible?
You said that "she is kinda avant garde in many respects and she truly feels apart from society, friends and family, she is quite rebellious and seems to feel VERY isolated" so that seems to move her up out of 1st stage Individuated, since 1st Individuated "are different, and yet afraid to be different; pretending to be normal, and yet are not" is the archetype. She doesn't seem to be pretending to be normal, by what you said.
The archetype for 2nd Individuated is "look very different, have deep anger about the way things are…and underneath, fear being pulled back into consensus". That fits what you stated as "she is bitter to everyone, she is isolating herself and is not open to anything or anyone" However, in 2nd stage, she would be possibly reaching out to like-minded Souls. Is she doing something of that nature with a peer group? You stated that her mother said that "she has spoken of you highly as someone that cares for her." Could she be reaching out to you...even intermittantly? Also, related to that...can we get a more objective opinion than her Mother? I say that because of this statement: "she blames me for all her problems and she hates me". I feel there
might be a subjective response...
So...that leaves the question of Masking/Hiding: "At its extremes this can create a 1st stage spiritual person you could even confuse with consensus, so again it comes back to inner listening a lot more than what you are seeing on the outside." What is her opinion of the Divine/God/Divinity? Not religion per se...but spiritual realities? As per the following: "You are not going to find 1st stage spiritual hiding in consensus reality. 1st stage spiritual is incapable of hiding in consensus reality. It may not always LIKE that it is incapable of doing that hiding, none the less it can't. It will also not feel it has no clue who it is…they do know who they are, that is the problem. They may not understand how different from everyone else they are…that would relate to the feeling of not being seen. They are typically going to have many experiences from early childhood on showing them they are NOT going to be loved for who they are. That in fact almost no one will have any idea who they are. Those experiences, while not fun, are designed by the Soul to throw that person back on them self, to be forced to explore their inner reality more deeply." What is her opinion of herself? What does she want out of life? I think of hiding because of the following: "she is bitter to everyone"
Also, here is a question for Steve/Rad/Deva/Adina, if I may, about Hiding: Can a Soul that is hiding have anger issues?
Looking for feedback and discussion.
Again, great idea for a thread.
Blessings,
Stephen
