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BrendaP
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« Reply #15 on: Sep 04, 2010, 09:32 AM »

For any interested, although it is very painful to watch, Frontline did a show on PBS about the bacha bazi boys, I saw it when it came out, and it has just haunted me on so many levels.

www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/dancingboys/

I also remember Jeff saying in "Measuring the Night" (I am misquoting)--but he mentioned, we were in a pivotal time, and that the direction we took would make a difference in the outcome during these times--so thank you Rad for your comments--although hard to hear--but apparently, with Bush/Cheney et al, all of this was set in motion.

Huffington Post, yesterday, had an article on child porn being exposed and not addressed in the Pentagon--so the worldwide proliferation and abuses are rampant, such a distortion--how do we, or can we heal from this or correct it? Hopefully, exposure and naming it is a first step.

Just a conjecture, and I apologize if I drift, but if you look at the archeypal meanings of some of the Asteroid goddesses coming into prominence, such as Sedna, Eris, Lilith--in a patriarchal world, we get interpretations that are focused on their anger, retribution, etc, so the feminine continues to be distorted. With Ceres, we get examples of that linked to abductions and abuses of women, more related to the famine aspect, than the nurturing and abundance the Goddess holds.

Thank you.
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« Reply #16 on: Sep 04, 2010, 02:52 PM »

Hi Brenda,

Thank you so much for passing on this information.

.......how do we, or can we heal from this or correct it? Hopefully, exposure and naming it is a first step.

Yes, naming these atrocities, crimes and acts of violence is absolutely essential for their exposure.  The distortions are shocking.  How could the natural impulse of what is "right" become so totally distorted?

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......the Asteroid goddesses coming into prominence, such as Sedna, Eris, Lilith--in a patriarchal world, we get interpretations that are focused on their anger, retribution, etc, so the feminine continues to be distorted.

I found this very interesting.  It seems the world of astrology needs an overhaul as well, that astrologers take personal responsibility for their knowledge.
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« Reply #17 on: Sep 05, 2010, 09:24 AM »

Hi Brenda and Linda,

 Thank you both for your observations/ comments as they are so dead on. It could be very useful to examine the patriarchal overlay/ projections into these natural asteroid Goddesses. And in that examination to recreate the actual, NATURAL, meanings and correlations to those asteroids.

God Bless, Rad
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« Reply #18 on: Sep 05, 2010, 12:04 PM »

Kristin Fontana presented her talk on Lilith at our local astrology group in May.  This is an excellent EA look at undistorted Lilith archetypes.

Its not listed for sale on our group's store page yet but if anyone would like a copy, its $10 for the two CD set.  Can be downloaded as MP3 for $10.  On CD, shipping in US is $2.50 and $5 outside of US.

The writeup on the talk is here

If anyone is interested email me through my website (click website link below and then the email link) and I'll arrange payment details with you.
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BrendaP
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« Reply #19 on: Sep 05, 2010, 01:23 PM »

Thanks for your comments Steve, Linda, and Rad.

In the news today, in many major cities, due to women getting more advanced degrees than men, they are now also earning more than many men.

This place is an oasis and a compass in an increasingly crazy world.

Saw Jeff Green in Sedona, 2005, he didn't paint a pretty picture of the times ahead, but did say G-d will overcome evil, have to hold to that.

God Bless.
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« Reply #20 on: Sep 06, 2010, 09:39 AM »

morning Brenda etal,

I recently saw a movie that perfectly reflects the results of what happens when you abuse and destroy a natural Lilith . The movie is called The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo - a Danish movie and the first of a trilogy. The lead woman in this movie is the embodiment of a Distorted Lilith - a movie where some sweet justice is served... by her.
Underneath her understandable wrath and revenge is an echo of her raw feminine beauty, which includes her fearlessness, sexual prowess and power.

I agree with Rad that it would be useful and valuable to explore some of the Goddess asteroids and the NATURAL meanings of these archetypes.

Goddess Bless the Goddess,
Kristin
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« Reply #21 on: Sep 10, 2010, 12:43 PM »

Thank you everyone for all this amazing info,
Dhyana, that article was really great- I feel like I'm starting to see the entirety of life from such a different perspective.

One idea I find striking is that throughout the history of the patriarchy, women have found power through whatever means was possible for them within the context of the patriarchy- however that power being an absolute distortion of what true feminine power is. An example of this would be the "rights" women were given to manage real estate. The woman could be replaced any moment by another, yet had the strange power of being in control. I see this permeating life today in all directions, in all ways. I feel the planetary nodes of Pluto and Saturn, read in each birth chart really explain a lot when it comes to how this distortion has uniquely played out over time. Over the past week I have experimented with incorporating the nodes in my chart interpretation and have found it to be quite profound.

So I have a couple questions:
1. Rad could you clarify what you mean by this:
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  Here is the table for the Capricorn Sub-Age of the Cancer Age. JWG taught, according to actual his/herstory itself that the transition for the Natural Times that is called the Matriarchy to what is called the Patriarchy began at the very end of the Capricorn Sub-Age which was then ruled by Sagittarius

2. The very fact that there was invented a thing we call "patriarchy" means to me that there must have been some sort of imbalance prior to the invention of the patriarchy that lead to such an immense distortion. During the matriarchy, what karma was generated that lead to gradual distortion?
Thank you so much.
God'ess Bless,
Ari Moshe
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« Reply #22 on: Sep 10, 2010, 01:26 PM »

Hi Ari,
 
 Every Age and it's sub-age has further divisions within them as illustrated below. Here you can see the Sagittarius sub-age within the sub-age of Capricorn relative to the Cancer Age. And this is exactly when man created 'beliefs' started to occur, to to replace the knowledge, and living by, Natural Laws.

CAPRICORN SUB-AGE 7,660-6,580 B.C.

7,660 - 7,570 - Capricorn
7,570 - 7,480 - Aquarius
7,480 - 7,390 - Pisces
7,390 - 7,300 - Aries
7,300 - 7,210 - Taurus
7,210 - 7,120 - Gemini
7,120 - 7,030 - Cancer
7,030 - 6,940 - Leo
6,940 - 6,850 - Virgo
6,850 - 6,760 - Libra
6,760 - 6,670 - Scorpio
6,670 - 6,580 - Sagittarius


There was no prior 'imbalance' that dictated that what we call the patriarchy to evolve at that time, until now. The primary cause, again, despite how odd it may seem now, is when men realized that they had equal role in making babies with women. And this then lead to what it has lead too including the original formations of nuclear families where women were regarded as possessions of the men. The actual transition took about 1,000. And the his/herstory of those 1,000  years is incredible when remembered, or read about when stripped of the patriarchal rewriting of that time. It is that time frame that the origins of the 'sacred prostitute' began by the way. And remember that 'role' for 'women' was created by men, not women. The issue here is one of choice making, the natural law of free choice. So when men realized they had an equal role in making babies it is the choices they made then that has lead to what it has lead to from that time forwards. 

God Bless, Rad

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« Reply #23 on: Sep 11, 2010, 01:02 PM »

Hi Ari,

I just wanted to suggest that if you put these questions into the context of yugas, and reflect on these from this point of view--specifically in relation to the yuga when the awareness of male’s coequal role within procreation occurred--it will become clear why the distortion and polarization of today is not the result of prior imbalance.  The significance of that awareness emerging when it did also reveals something about the deeper nature of it.. and the intentions in that knowledge emerging in the first place.. also its relevance within the nature of the remaining cycle beyond just that specific yuga.  This supplies a very relevant context for understanding how and why the patriarchy has become what it is now.

The awareness of men having a coequal role in procreation emerged during the preliminary mutational period (Sandhi) of the descending arc of the Treta yuga.  (If I am mistaken in that timing I hope someone will provide correction).  

Every yuga has 2 Sandhis within it..one at the very beginning and one at the very end.  The first sandhi of every yuga correlates to the emergence of new impulses or discoveries which will have a key role or focus in defining the nature of what that yuga in total will be about..i.e. what is being developed, tested, evolved in consciousness collectively.   And for each of the 4 yugas, there are ascending and descending arcs...the span of time for one complete cycle of the yugas--both ascending and descending arcs--is 24,000 years (12,000 yrs each arc).  The descending arc correlates to progressive decline in spiritual awareness that is INHERENT within the collective, and the ascending arc correlates to the gradual return of this awareness, bringing to maturity what was initiated and progressively developed from the descending cycle.  

Anyhow, if you reflect on these things I suspect the picture will deepen quite dramatically for you.

Blessings,
Stacie  
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« Reply #24 on: Sep 11, 2010, 03:54 PM »

Thanks for sharing that Stacie.

A question that re-emerges for me, is what is the exact nature of the descending arc in each cycle whereby spiritual awareness decreases? Why in the world is it so? I always regard spiritual awareness a matter of choice. Is there another way to understand all of this?
Ari Moshe
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« Reply #25 on: Sep 11, 2010, 05:00 PM »

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what is the exact nature of the descending arc in each cycle whereby spiritual awareness decreases? Why in the world is it so? I always regard spiritual awareness a matter of choice. Is there another way to understand all of this?

There exists in all manifested life natural cycles of night and day, winter and summer, etc.  This is part of natural law.

I once asked Jeffrey on the old message board, if there is a Satya Yuga and the consensus state in the Satya Yuga is what we would call 3rd stage spiritual (something Jeffrey had written at that time), when the Souls knew we were beginning the long descending arc of the waning yugas, why would these 3rd state spiritual Souls not simply bow out of the game, get off the wheel.

His answer was something like, that is not God's intent, and we are all subject to God's intent.

What came to mind when reading your questions is the EA description of Scorpio/8th house, awareness that there are forces in life that are bigger and more powerful than I am. Part of Scorpio/8th is about becoming aware of, and accepting, natural limits.  We have free choice, WITHIN the limits of the unseen Soul program we operate within.  It works the way it works, regardless of my opinion about how it should work.

How do we find out what is and is not within the Soul's program?  If you try and try and try to create something using every ability you have and it just does not happen, that is likely the experience of trying to create something that is not within the Soul's program. 

In terms of your question, if you can't "beat the system" of the descending arc of consciousness, you have to accept it.  What else is coming to me is this is the basis of why one ultimately comes back again and again to the spiritual path - to evolve to the place of liberation from the laws of dualistic nature, to get beyond night and day and gain the true freedom of the Soul.  That's what the masters have.  Yet they use it selflessly, playing a role in fulfilling God's intentions.  As we have said here many times, it is a big goal and a lengthy process.
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« Reply #26 on: Sep 11, 2010, 05:25 PM »

Hi Ari,

You've actually just answered your question relative to why descending cycles exist.  It is within the conditions of descending cycles that we DEMONSTRATE the actual nature of our desires and intentions by the choices we make/act upon when all supporting factors have been removed.  

For example, at the zenith of the Satya Yuga, the collective consciousness has full, inherent comprehension of spiritual laws/reality.  When something is inherent, we don't have to grow or face the insecurity of the unknown in order to apply that spiritual knowledge because it is already reality, individually and collectively.  As the full-blown spiritual attunement of the collective begins to fade, it creates a progressive shift in consciousness where perception of the inner divinity within every person and form, begins to transfer to the progressive perception of 'individual'...ego.  When consciousness is oriented in this way, it promotes the development of individual attributes.  This is how things that are totally brand new can emerge.  Once they emerge they are established..and then creatively actualized..and then TESTED...all the way up to balsamic integration when whatever that individual form was becomes mutated into a timeless form.

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« Reply #27 on: Sep 11, 2010, 07:02 PM »

Thank you Steve and Stacie.
Stacie your words were beautiful-

So as Steve says- there is night and day: cycles are innate. However the way in which we demonstarate our awareness during any cycle is entirely dependent on a soul's level of evolution? IE one can be afraid of the night, or one can find God in the night.
Is this an accurate understanding?

Said in a differnt way: a descending yuga doesn't mean that all souls that were incarnated during a satya yuga will now be plagued by immense separating desires- but rather, they will have the opportunity to pierce the veil of duality in a way that was not possible during the apex of the satya yuga.

Is it thus appropriate to say that certain souls can only incarnate during certain cycles relative to the levels of illusion that permeates that cycle? IE a soul that we can consider to be in the consensus state in this current cycle would not be able to incarnate on this planet during the apex of the satya yuga...

If I understand this- then I'd like to bring this back to the original topic of the thread--- but I'll wait for more clarification.
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« Reply #28 on: Sep 11, 2010, 08:16 PM »

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So as Steve says- there is night and day: cycles are innate. However the way in which we demonstarate our awareness during any cycle is entirely dependent on a soul's level of evolution? IE one can be afraid of the night, or one can find God in the night.
Is this an accurate understanding?

well said.

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Said in a differnt way: a descending yuga doesn't mean that all souls that were incarnated during a satya yuga will now be plagued by immense separating desires- but rather, they will have the opportunity to pierce the veil of duality in a way that was not possible during the apex of the satya yuga.

it all depends on which dynamic is more prominent within a soul at the time of incarnation, and that can change and flux throughout life. but one important thing to add is that no matter what yuga, no matter what state of consciousness the collective is in, a soul can liberate itself from space and time and the existing conditions therein, through the practice of inner god contact..the breathless state..  the second part of your statement is totally true.

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Is it thus appropriate to say that certain souls can only incarnate during certain cycles relative to the levels of illusion that permeates that cycle? IE a soul that we can consider to be in the consensus state in this current cycle would not be able to incarnate on this planet during the apex of the satya yuga...

you know what, i'm not 100% sure on this so i'll defer the answer to someone else.....BUT the fact that JWG has said that most people on the planet today have had lives during the transition of patriarchy (most people = 70% consensus), tells me that souls in any state of consciousness can have incarnations in any of the yugas...and that karmic requirement/desire of the soul would be the determinant.

Stacie



If I understand this- then I'd like to bring this back to the original topic of the thread--- but I'll wait for more clarification.
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ari moshe
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« Reply #29 on: Sep 11, 2010, 08:59 PM »

Thank you Stacie,

Now in regards to this topic on the history of the patriarchy, here's my question:
During the Sagittarius sub age of the Capricorn sub age of the Cancer age the distorted beliefs that gave rise to what we now call the patriarchy began to emerge...

During what "yuga" did this transition take place? Was it the beginning of a particular descending arc?
And furthermore, at this point in history, where it FEELS like we are nearing the point of "no where but up", where are we in terms of yugas?
Thank you
Ari Moshe
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