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« Reply #15 on: Jan 30, 2011, 10:13 AM »

Hi Linda
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Further to the North Node of Neptune being in Leo, I had been trying to see how Leo could become 'spiritualized.'  Of course, it cannot, because it places itself at the centre of its own universe.

I understand that, once the personal ego has been "trascended", ie. purged of its impurities and delusions, which occurs at the 3rd stage of the Spiritual evolutionary condition, the sense of purpose reflected in the Leo archetype would be totally aligned with higher purpose. Thus, it would be truly "spiritualized".

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« Reply #16 on: Jan 31, 2011, 07:01 AM »

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I feel the Aquarius/Leo archetypes are in process of integration within the Individuated condition. They reach a point of integration within the third stage of the Individuated condition, where individuality is quite formed and has finally become a “group of one”, and is now creatively linked to betterment of the existing society. When this occurs, it implies a condition of fruition with is based on the extent of the knowledge the Soul has about people in general, society, and culture, which is not limited by the society or culture of birth. This knowledge has been gained through the process of individuation, ie, it has been basically an expansion of awareness in order to understand itself in the social, cultural and trans-cultural context. This has implied processing an enormous amount of accumulated knowledge and experience, individual and collective. It implies, among other things, understanding why society and societies in general are where they currently are, in evolutionary terms, including the types of crises they have faced and continue to face.  Thus, the Soul is aware of the Saturnian slowness of social change. After having passed through the second stage individuated, the Soul is aware of the objective distribution of forces in the social field, and of larger forces operating in social evolution (Scorpio), and the limitations they imply. The Soul has given up the idealization of the revolutionary potential of groups in direct confrontation of the existing order. Thus, the Soul has become independent of group associations to have its identity confirmed or discovered. The Soul, thus, “knows” who and what it is in connection to all the existing social and trans-cultural references or points of view that have been relevant in the Soul’s individuation, and the basis of these references. The Soul is beginning to expand its awareness beyond this social/cultural reference, in direction to the Cosmos, and the Unconditioned, which will lead into the Spiritual condition (archetypically defined by Neptune). At the same time, the Soul is integrating back into society (Aquarius), after a stage where it felt totally alienated from society (Aquarius), and this integration is possible because the Soul has gained a strong sense of individuality (Leo). Thus the Soul operates from a position of a relative individual superiority: “when genius interfaces with mediocre minds, expect violent opposition”. From this superior position, the Soul wants to give back to society all it has taken from society, and thus, will link its sense of individual purpose to help society evolve. At the same time, the Soul knows objectively that it only can make a small contribution to this social evolution, and that social evolution will occur at some time because of the cumulated contributions of many. 

At the second stage of the Individuated condition, the Soul felt utterly alienated (Aquarius), and this feeling created the need to violently confront or assert its sense of difference or specialness (Leo), which in turn has been dependant on group associations (Aquarius). This type of willful action (Leo) has implied archetypically that the Soul has not had a complete and objective understanding of group and social dynamics (Aquarius).

I have also observed many Souls in the Individuated condition, to be very hedonistic (Leo), which implies a relative resistance to integrating the Soul’s efforts and capabilities to society. Thus, the Soul keeps living in a state of splendor only for itself and its group of sophisticated friends. 

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« Reply #17 on: Jan 31, 2011, 11:21 PM »

Hi Linda
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Further to the North Node of Neptune being in Leo, I had been trying to see how Leo could become 'spiritualized.'  Of course, it cannot, because it places itself at the centre of its own universe.

I understand that, once the personal ego has been "trascended", ie. purged of its impurities and delusions, which occurs at the 3rd stage of the Spiritual evolutionary condition, the sense of purpose reflected in the Leo archetype would be totally aligned with higher purpose. Thus, it would be truly "spiritualized".

For an example of what Gonzalo refers to, consider that Yogananda had a Leo Moon.  Such a Soul might still place themselves at the center of their own universe. But their definition of "their own" would be quite different than ours.  Their identification with God/Soul is so nearly total that "their own" universe is in fact God's universe.  And all of that Leonian charisma and power would be harnessed to selflessly fulfill the work that God intended to be done through that Soul. 

We must remember that all archetypes have distorted and undistorted expressions.   The Leo that we know is a distorted expression.  God ultimately is the source of all the qualities we assign to signs.  And none were created with no way out.  There is always a path available to evolve.
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« Reply #18 on: Feb 05, 2011, 10:59 PM »

Great questions Gonzalo!  There's not much I can add to your analysis, but I'll give it a go.

Ruler of the NN conj SN;  Pluto square the Nodes

There has been skipped steps in the past as symbolized by Pluto squaring the Nodal Axis and the intention is to recover those skipped steps through the resolution node (SN) in order to evolve.  Recovering those skipped steps is symbolized by the NN ruler conjunct the SN.  The Soul has created re-live circumstances that serve to trigger old dynamics that has kept the Soul bound to it's past (fixed houses, Cancer, Aquarius ruling 4th).  The intention is to make new choices through the SN Cancer 8th through circumstances that trigger the old, past-life dynamics.  These new decisions involve "taking responsibility for her actions" as described by SN balsamic conjunction to Saturn, as well as redefining/liberating her ego/self-image.

Why does she need to keep looking for new relationships?

Because Venus is beginning a new cycle in relation to Pluto/Libra/11th.  Venus is also the ruler of Pluto.  This aspect describes an urge to follow new attractions instinctively and spontaneously.  These attractions are opportunities to fulfill her prior Soul intention to learn balance and equality in relationships, and to liberate from outmoded patterns in relationships.  These relationships are karmic re-live in nature.

Why does she need to leave her existing relationships, while at the same time needing to maintain these relationships?

Venus conjunct Uranus shows how these relationships can suddenly appear and suddenly end, yet she wishes to maintain these relationships due to the Moon conjunct Uranus in the 11th "fixed" house.  Venus also squares the Nodes, with the SN Cancer 8th being the resolution node where she is re-living the issues of "possessiveness," "dependence," "betrayal" and "violation of trust" with her partners.  Even though the relationships have died, she continues to be attached to these people due to infantile needs not being met as a child:  she has not learned how to be emotionally self-reliant, so she hangs on.  Venus balsamic conjunction to Uranus, Uranus ruling the 4th house (trauma), natural inconjunct between 11th/4th houses:  letting go of relationships, and re-living any karmic remnants that hinders attunement to the Divine.  These relationships are with "friends" whom she doesn't want to lose.  Losing a friend is like death.  She is learning how to surrender when a relationship ends.

What are the emotional and psychological dynamics that prevent this Soul from defining herself as polygamous?

The chart contains 5 yods!  The activating point of the Neptune/Jupiter/SN yod is the head of the yod NN/Cap/2nd.  Her yodal mission is to "speak the truth," social maturity, self-reliance, and metamorphosis of sexual polygamous pattern.  The yods emphasize the evolutionary necessity for humility from an egocentric point of view.  Karmic weakness indicated by the Moon:  maternal, mothering, nurturing issues need to be learned, and ego/self-image redefined.

What are the emotional and psychological dynamics determining that she is in fact polygamous in her behavior?

Jupiter conjunct the IC.  Uranus ruling the 4th house.  Jupiter square Uranus.  4 Libra planets in the 11th.  Pluto/Libra 11th.  Sexual relationships with a great variety of friends.  Ruler of the 11th is Mercury.  The "fixed" houses.  Outlet for the kite pattern is Saturn/SN.  Chiron in Aries 5th.  Neptune rules the 5th.  Saturn/8th in last phase square to Pluto, crisis in consciousness.  Chiron/Aries opposes Venus, Uranus, Moon.

Why has this Soul created experiences of duplicity?

Not sure about this at all.  Mercury inconjunct Jupiter.  Saturn inconjunct Neptune.  Mercury rules 7th house.  Mercury rules the 11th house.  Mercury squares Neptune.  

What types of partners does she attract because of these desires?

Emotionally immature, co-dependent, possessive, sexually abusive, gossip, betraying, lying, disloyal, deceptive, polygamous, rebellious.

Will relationships be satisfying or fulfilling for her given the type of partners she is attracting?

No, until she learns emotional self-security from within herself (resolves the skipped steps), and thus makes better choices in relationships.

What types of trauma could be linked with some of the socialization dynamics this Soul is creating for herself, because of the potential consequences of social exposure of the secret workings within her relationship.

Scandal, gossip, societal judgment, ostracization.  

How could these dynamics find a resolution?

By resolving the skipped steps through the SN by developing emotional self-security and social maturity.  By learning through a process of trial-and-error.  Learning to make wiser decisions in relationships.  Separating friendships and sexual relationships.  Developing humility.  Finding a partner who reflects all of these qualities.

What are the evolutionary intentions behind these dynamics as reflected in this skipped steps signature?

To learn balance and equality in relationship, to liberate from outmoded patterns (Pluto/Libra/11th).
To develop her full individuality and creative self-actualization (PPP/Aries/5th).
To redefine her ego/self-image through emotional metamorphosis (SN/Cancer/8th--Resolution Node).
To develop self-reliance and self-esteem (NN/Cap/2nd).

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I'm missing something.  Too much information as usual.  I can see all of the above dynamics happening to her, but I'm still not sure WHY??  

Since we are examining Aquarius, perhaps she is liberating from past relationship patterns that were unequal and co-dependent?

Thanks Gonzalo --- looking forward to hearing from you.

Linda
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« Reply #19 on: Feb 06, 2011, 12:33 AM »

Hi Linda

Thank you for your post and analysis. I will be reading your observations and coming back within soon. In the meantime, I would like to expand a little further on Steve’s observation:

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We must remember that all archetypes have distorted and undistorted expressions. The Leo that we know is a distorted expression. God ultimately is the source of all the qualities we assign to signs. And none were created with no way out. There is always a path available to evolve.

The prior question you rised concerned the spiritualization of the Leo archetype. Being a question about spiritualization, I viewed it as concerning mostly or most directly to what occurs within the Spiritual evolutionary condition. This evolutionary condition is defined by the archetype of Neptune. Within this condition, a first stage exists, which is defined by the Virgo archetype. It intends to create humility as a consequence of the increasing expansion of consciousness in direction to the Unknown. This evolutionary sub-stage follows the third stage Individuated condition, which I would say is defined by the archetypes of Aquarius and Leo, because the Soul is integrating its true individuality into society. Upon this Leonian stage, spiritualization of consciousness begins, which induces a deep feeling of humility (Virgo). This evolutionary condition is defined by the desire to know God. At some point within this stage, this begins to occur in direct ways. A common reaction that occurs at the second stage of the Spiritual evolutionary condition, is to experience confusion between God and one’s own ego, or at least, about the degree or extent of the spiritual development of the Soul. This spiritual intoxication of the ego expresses a typical distortion of the Leo archetype in this stage. This delusion is then dissolved as the Soul realigns itself with the Neptunian archetype of the Spiritual condition.

In this overview, we are using the archetypes of the Zodiac to describe in general terms a natural evolutionary process-and potential distortions-in the way that it tends to occur to most people in the current epoch, as determined through observation and correlation.

Apart from this point of view, all of the archetypes, including Leo, have different levels of individual manifestation, which are reflected in the individual birthcharts. These manifestations of each of the archetypes form a spectrum. We cannot know what part of the spectrum has been or is being actualized by a Soul just by considering that only symbol, let’s say Pluto in the 5th House in Virgo (not even if we  know the evolutionary condition of the Soul). As we have learned, determining what part of the spectrum within the archetype has been or is being actualized, requires to consider the evolutionary axis of the birthchart.

Each archetype of the Zodiac correlates with types of desires, and dynamics, and experiences that the Soul faces, in varying degrees, in its evolutionary journey. They are parts or types of experiences within a totality of possible experiences for consciousness, this totality being symbolized by the Zodiac. 

Spiritualization is the archetype of Pisces and Neptune. Pisces and Neptune are the archetype of consciousness. Whenever any dynamic, or any desire, becomes more conscious, it is in its way to becoming spiritualized. Becoming conscious, any desire or any dynamic can be integrated within our total desire nature, ie. within our individual consciousness or Soul. In turn, this will allow, ultimately, for an ongoing integration of the individual consciousness with the Source.

In turn, the desire to expand consciousness, or in other words, allowing the natural expansion of consciousness that occurs because of ongoing experience, naturally creates the necessary understanding of the limitations implied in the pre-existing ways that have defined the expression of any archetypical dynamic. From this point of view, each archetype (types of desires, dynamics, experiences), is in a process of evolution. On the contrary, the distortion of each the archetype at an individual level occurs because of the resistance to the necessary expansion of the awareness beyond the pre-existing created limitations. And these distortions are typical, or archetypical, but they are not necessary. They can manifest in individual ways and on varying degrees depending of the choices of each consciousness in face of archetypical experiences, dynamics and desires.

Further, each archetype serves necessary purposes or intentions along the evolutionary process. This is also the case with Leo, as with any other archetype. At some points, the Soul needs, in order to evolve, to become more self-centered or focused, or purposeful, or more intensely creative. At some stages, this is necessary and natural. Such orientation, at these points, is serving to evolution, ie. expansion of consciousness beyond the pre-existing definitions, ie. spiritualization in the last analysis. Of course, just like with any archetypical dynamic, it will not be the end of the process (except perhaps with Pisces, far away at the very end of the evolutionary journey). At some point further, evolution will require other archetypical dynamics to be embraced. Though, at the instant juncture, each archetype, if naturally embraced, will be evolutionary, and spiritualizing. And this necessity will be indicated in the birthchart not only when the polarity points or the North Nodes of any planet are in Leo or the 5th House, but also when the natal symbols are in Leo or the 5th House, because evolution also occurs within the natal positions in the birthchart.

Hope this serves for further clarification, and not for further confusion.

God Bless,

Gonzalo
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« Reply #20 on: Feb 06, 2011, 11:46 PM »

Hi Gonzalo and Linda,

I've really enjoyed reading your interpretation on this chart. I don't have much more to add.
I'm working here on the premise that she is first individuated, so far it seems that way to me.

Why the duplicity? Here's what I understand:
We got that yod to the sn with Jupiter in the 3rd house in Aquarius, sextile Neptune in Sag in the 12th. The apex of this yod is Saturn and the sn in Cancer in the 8th which is ruled by the Moon in Libra in the 11th house conjunct Uranus and Opposing Chiron in the 5th. The trigger point for this yod, amazingly, is the nn, which is ruled by that Saturn on the sn. Saturn is also the ruler of the third house.

She receives her emotional security by latching onto the energy that others can give her. This is clearly a predominately unconscious experience (8th house, Pluto). Her soul is desiring to cut through more layers of her conditioning and become free from these patterns. Of course this means she has to develop the self awareness that she does this in the first place, and then the awareness of WHY she does this. However the soul's resistance is that she is emotionally drawn to complicate a diversity of friendships on the basis of lacking self reliance (nn).

The greatest insecurity for this soul is to become boxed in (Pluto in the 11th). She is naturally obsessed with her own freedom, with the compulsion to project the reality that all her friends, community, and partners are not allowing her to be who she is. She can easily become paranoid as a result of projecting onto others that they "need" something from her. Her own resistance to find out who she actually is, to be honest about her own insecurities has lead to a constant unconscious "neediness" all the while remaining detached from true intimacy.

So she has conditioned her own perception and way of communicating to naturally exaggerate and distort the perceived reality in order to maintain her own security all the while "getting" what she doesn't know how to truly receive in a balanced way. This is symbolizes by the karmic avoidance implied by Saturn on the sn, as the apex to the yod. Note "She does not like to talk about sex": Saturn in the 8th ruling the 3rd house. Her desires are being repressed, and yet she has no choice other than to pursue them. Such is the nature of desire. She will naturally communicate a reality that will inadvertently point to her inner judgement of what is right and wrong; covering up for her repressed sexual and emotional needs that no one can fill. All of this implying duplicity as a way of life.

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Focusing on the nature of the Aquarius signatures in general here, the ruler of the sn, the Moon is in Libra in the 11th conjunct Uranus and opposing Chiron in Aries in the 5th. As stated this is a fracturing in her personality based on unresolved trauma. Given the strong emphasis on the sn for healing (resolution node, and ruler of nn conj the sn), she will eventually become exhausted and explore deep psychological work that will enable her to objectively understand her past trauma, either this life or past, that will enable her to then understand her own psychology. This will need to be a very gentle counselor who will validate her ego, who will not push her too much. She needs to feel accepted and listened to.

I observe that one great way to get through to an Aquarius soul, especially a chart like this that implies a very fractured ego, is to get on the same wave length. To become a part of their community so to speak.
Aquarius reveals that a soul simply cannot relate to a reality that is outside the box of its mind. By getting into the same box as them, it engenders within them more trust as they no longer need to unconsciously create any projections that would otherwise keep them safe.

Then, the soul has the opportunity to reflect on its reality from a much more objective point of view. For this soul we are looking at here, especially given the Libra emphasis, when she truly feels from another that she can just be who she is, that she is completely accepted, she is more likely to open up to become the observer of her life, and will be far more open to receive objective feedback. The problem of course is that she would likely not attract such people who would "make her" feel so safe. Again, I feel this work will most likely take place with a a soul worker, such as Gonzalo, if she is ready enough, tired enough.
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« Reply #21 on: Feb 08, 2011, 09:00 AM »

Hi Gonzalo et al, wanted to share a few thoughts I have about this chart. With Venus/Uranus/Moon in Libra in the 11th house she would need to realize that her relationships are a reflection of her self image (moon) inner relationship (Venus) with herself, and represent aspects of herself that she wants to liberate from (Uranus and natal planets in Libra in the 11th house). Most likely these are unconscious aspects of herself that she has not "owned". In other words, she will be able to see certain behavior or patterns in those that she is in a relationship with, but not own that these relationships are, again, reflections of herself that she intends to liberate from. It reflects a pattern of self objectification  through the relationships that are attracted.  With Pluto in Libra in the 11th house square and the South Node in cancer in the 8th house conjunct saturn, and the North Node in Capricorn in the 2nd house there are displaced emotions from childhood that will be mirrored to her within relationships. The skipped steps would then revolve around "owning" or accepting the responsibility for these emotional patterns, and hopefully taking the path of liberation instead repeatinf trauma she has suffered. Saturn conjunct the SN indicates the need accept responsibility for the relationships she attracts leading to necessary emotional maturity and stability. The North Node in Capricorn in the 2nd house reflects the need to develop self reliance within relationships, and also to change her inner relationship with herself in  order to attract more positive and healthy relationships. The natal Libra in the 11th house planets can potentially create a person who can gain emotional/psychological wisdom from the past ways of being in relationships, and also using relationships as an objective mirror of her own inner dynamics in order to create the necessary awareness of these emotional patterns.
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« Reply #22 on: Feb 08, 2011, 09:46 AM »


The word that came to my mind when I first looked at her chart was Courtesan. Taking this either as a literal past life or metaphoric of certain types of past lives and what the soul has internalized. You have a woman of certain social standing that is seemingly powerful, yet intrinsically that very social position is demeaning . You know, historically women were not (are not) able to rise to real power without being sexualized..or trading off parts of themselves to gain status. Even in todays society women wanting say, corporate power often need to trade off their sexual, sensual selves and definitely their emotional selves.. (mimicking men) (Cancer/Cap axis). The Cancer/Cap axis with the sq. shows this soul desires to heal such a split..in fact has made it come to head in this lifetime. How do I have my self worth...reclaim my sexual self and still have power? She seems to be spinning around in each of these aspects seeking some equilibrium. Further to this some of her male past life selves who were quite fine with using sex as power (flip side to the female memories) may be acting in her to maintain power in the way they are used to. Can/Cap axis (anima/animus seeking balance).

The Libran denial layer can come from such female lives where one needs to divorce from what the body and emotions may register as unwanted sex..in exchange for what the head (and social benefits) say is getting power. Of course it is hollow power...not what the NN in Cap in the 2cnd is pointing to. Healing the splitting and fragmentation ( Libra /11th house) means she has to come to terms with her vulnerable ( Moon/Venus) self to reclaim the parts of her emotional self that are wounded. You said she does not like to talk about sex..which is mostly where that wounding may have happened...deep down inside she probably feels intrinsically unlovable for who she is...she may not have ever been validated on that level.
 
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« Reply #23 on: Feb 09, 2011, 07:35 PM »

Thanks Patricia, Deva, Ari and Linda for your great contributions to this birthchart analysis. I have some additional comments based on what you have posted.

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Linda's quote: “Venus is beginning a new cycle in relation to Pluto/Libra/11th. Venus is also the ruler of Pluto. This aspect describes an urge to follow new attractions instinctively and spontaneously. These attractions are opportunities to fulfill her prior Soul intention to learn balance and equality in relationships, and to liberate from outmoded patterns in relationships. These relationships are karmic re-live in nature”


With Pluto in Libra in the 11th House, and given her evolutionary condition-Individuated and still in process of individuating-she still needs to know herself and liberate her natural way of being, and this is necessarily occurring through initiating series of relationships with many people. Further, she has been evolving beyond her pre-existing limitations through relationships. In order to do this, many of the relationships she has desired have been very close relationships, in order to osmose what she feels she needs from her partners (South Node in the 8th House, square Pluto). Given a long story of cumulated trauma in her Soul, and because her natural emotional needs have gone unfulfilled during many of her childhoods in several lifetimes, the unresolved emotional states and expectations have conditioned the nature of many of these relationships, and of the types of partners she has attracted. The co-existence of the desire to feel secure though her partners, and the desire to pursue new relationships with people she feels reflect the new aspects of herself she needs to discover, has created many terminations and “overlapping” of relationships. Thus, many of these relationships are not resolved or concluded, and have created the need to re-meet. Further, there is also an element of guilt, both acquired and natural guilt, because of prior sudden partings, or duplicities, rebellions from relationships and family ties, and the consequences faced because of these partings, including consequences for other people, and for her own family (the Moon being the South Node ruler, in the 11th House, conjunct Uranus, Uranus ruling the 4th House cusp). Also, dynamics of having needed to recover the past of the relationships after her leavings, and having needed to accept conditions (Saturn being the North Node ruler, and being conjunct the South Node, and in Disseminating phase square to Pluto). Thus, there are dynamics of guilt and humiliation.

There is also an element of anger and vindictiveness toward men, because of experiences and circumstances she has faced as a woman, which has manifested through adopting a relationship and sexual behavior that is typical of men in these societies, ie. being the facto polygamous, etc. Considering that she attracts partners that are co-dependent and emotionally needy, this has been a way to be in control of these relationships. This is also a reflection of other lifetimes when she incarnated as a male.    

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Linda's quote: “(How could these dynamics find a resolution?) By learning through a process of trial-and-error.  Learning to make wiser decisions in relationships.  Separating friendships and sexual relationships.  Developing humility.  Finding a partner who reflects all of these qualities.”

To me, the process of trial and error in relationships seems natural because she is becoming a minority through her ongoing self-discovery, which occurs through relationships. Progressive self-knowledge should naturally lead to a point where she could see how she is living different aspects of her desire nature through each of these relationships (Venus conjunct Uranus in the 11th House Libra, squaring the nodes), which she needs to maintain in parallel because she is looking at herself at a fractured mirror, so to speak, where each of these relationships reflect a part of who she is. Progressive integration in and through relationships would require her to objectively view and accept that she desires to have one complete relationship allowing her to embrace all this fragmentary dynamics of who she is. Finding such partner would require to become self-reliant, and more focused in her conscious desires and motivations, instead of being available to new relationships that occur, most of them, as if initiated from outside herself. And still, she would need to be honest about the nature of her desires, her sudden and compulsive attractions. I think she would need to acknowledge her polygamous orientation, and at the same time, her desire to be monogamous when she finds the right partner.

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Ari's quote: “Her soul is desiring to cut through more layers of her conditioning and become free from these patterns. Of course this means she has to develop the self awareness that she does this in the first place, and then the awareness of WHY she does this.”

These desires have been in place in many variations along many lifetimes, as reflected in Pluto in the 11th House squaring the South Node in the 8th House Cancer (fixed Houses). At some points, she has needed to detach from her emotional reality and her life circumstances in order to view it objectively. Sometimes this has been connected to traumatic experiences. Detaching from her inner reality has been necessary in order to objectively discover new ways of looking at things, with implied the purpose of finding new ways to resolve or to evolve beyond the existing limitations and emotional pre-existing patterns.  However, it would seem that many times she has remained detached instead of applying the new approaches that would serve for liberation, because of the resistance to penetrate her own psychological dynamics, and to transform her self-image (the South Node in the 8th House Cancer, with its planetary ruler, the Moon, being in the 11th House, conjunct Uranus). This dynamic operates in a compulsive  and unconscious way. It is like someone who needed to run away from home, and since then has been always running away from home, including her own inner home. And of course her life goes too fast, she is always “running”. She is always looking for an external way, some new partner, who will make a big difference. Thus, she tends to be always looking outside herself, instead of looking inside.

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Ari's quote: “Given the strong emphasis on the sn for healing (resolution node, and ruler of nn conj the sn), she will eventually become exhausted and explore deep psychological work that will enable her to objectively understand her past trauma, either this life or past, that will enable her to then understand her own psychology. This will need to be a very gentle counselor who will validate her ego, who will not push her too much. She needs to feel accepted and listened to.”

Indeed she has done quite deep psychological work, during many years. And she has become aware, through her work experience, of her need to resolve these dynamics and heal the unresolved emotions at a deeper level, because she has attracted clients who have similar dynamics.

Within the types of people she has attracted, she has also attracted “silver tongue devils”, who play back her own psychology and who know the precise words to speak in order to have her controlled and available.  

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Ari's quote: “She can easily become paranoid as a result of projecting onto others that they "need" something from her”.

She sometimes gets paranoid, based on her projection of her fears of judgment and because some of people she attracts, which are quite judgmental by themselves. In turn, she is also many time the target of other’s projections, based on their unresolved emotions, their desires to manipulate, their own avoidance of their inner emotional reality, and the nature of their judgments.

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Ari's quote: “Her own resistance to find out who she actually is, to be honest about her own insecurities has lead to a constant unconscious "neediness" all the while remaining detached from true intimacy.”

In fact she remains detached from true intimacy, because she chooses relationships where she cannot embrace the fragmented aspects of herself. At the same time, she creates dynamics which complicate the trust issues, because they contain an element of dishonesty. Thus, she chooses sets of relationships in which she cannot trust, and which prevent her from going deeper into herself. This pattern is also a reflection of current sexual ideology, ie. a “liberated” sexual orientations which in this society is considered to be more evolved.
  
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Deva's quote: “With Venus/Uranus/Moon in Libra in the 11th house she would need to realize that her relationships are a reflection of her self image (moon) inner relationship (Venus) with herself, and represent aspects of herself that she wants to liberate from (Uranus and natal planets in Libra in the 11th house). Most likely these are unconscious aspects of herself that she has not "owned". In other words, she will be able to see certain behavior or patterns in those that she is in a relationship with, but not own that these relationships are, again, reflections of herself that she intends to liberate from. It reflects a pattern of self objectification through the relationships that are attracted.”

Indeed she has deep complains about her partners which are reflections of her own psychological and emotional dynamics. I have been amazed that she seems totally unable to relate any of the reasons for her complains to herself. Apart of the projection, and the avoidance and denial, there is also a lot of rationalization (Pluto in the 11th House is trine Jupiter Rx in the 3rd House Aquarius).  And she uses these rationalizations not only to conceal aspects of her own reality to herself, but also to manipulate her partners. The degree of avoidance and projection is quite heavy, and she gets to the point of feeling victimized because the partners don’t seem to understand her at times!

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Deva's quote: “The skipped steps would then revolve around "owning" or accepting the responsibility for these emotional patterns, and hopefully taking the path of liberation instead repeating trauma she has suffered”

While having desires to break free from these patterns, the way she has chosen has always involved initiating a new relationship with someone else, while at the same time maintaining the prior relationships “for the time necessary”. This is quite crazy, of course, and operates as a need to re-create traumatic events. At the same time, the potential for crises and trauma based on duplicity creates for her and some of her lovers, a highly insecure social situation. Some of these lovers also have unresolved traumas caused by duplicity. Further, this is complicated because she gets a feeling of being powerful and astute because of her ability to coordinate and keep this complex reality moving, and maintaining the lovers at their proper places (the Pluto polarity point in the 5th House in Aries, North Node in the 2nd House Capricorn, with its planetary ruler, Saturn, in the 8th House). It is also complicated because of the ideologies she has bought which grant her the right of pursuing her egocentric desires, with the idea that “society is not prepared to understand sexual freedom”.  

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Patricia's quote: “The word that came to my mind when I first looked at her chart was Courtesan. Taking this either as a literal past life or metaphoric of certain types of past lives and what the soul has internalized. You have a woman of certain social standing that is seemingly powerful, yet intrinsically that very social position is demeaning . You know, historically women were not (are not) able to rise to real power without being sexualized..or trading off parts of themselves to gain status.”

Further to these lives as a courtesan, I saw in her birthchart other lifetime or lifetimes as a prostitute, ie. exercising prostitution as a way to survive, and further, to preserve her freedom (the Libra/11th House planets, including Venus/Uranus, with Venus square the Nodes from Houses 2nd to 8th, the North Node in the 2nd House, and its ruler back in the 8th House; Mars in the 6th House Taurus inconjunct Pluto and sextile the South Node, and trine the North Node; perhaps this is also indicated by the black moon Lilith being in the second House and Balsamic conjunct the North Node, and Vesta being in the 10th House, in Leo, sextile Venus/Uranus/Moon, trine Chiron in Aries in the 5th House). In such lives as a common prostitute, she would have faced social over-exposure, and direct violence associated with this type of profession. For many years she had deep fears of unwanted people getting into her home at night. Also a series of dreams or nightmares about this.

In this context, looking at the Pluto in the 11th House squaring the South Node in the 8th House, with the ruler, the Moon, being in the 11th House, conjunct Venus/Uranus, squaring the nodes, etc., suggests to me the ancient dynamic of “mixing blood” that JWG mentions. I don’t know if this dynamic was associated with some type of prestige or social position at those times.

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“The Libran denial layer can come from such female lives where one needs to divorce from what the body and emotions may register as unwanted sex..in exchange for what the head (and social benefits) say is getting power. Of course it is hollow power...not what the NN in Cap in the 2cnd is pointing to. Healing the splitting and fragmentation ( Libra /11th house) means she has to come to terms with her vulnerable ( Moon/Venus) self to reclaim the parts of her emotional self that are wounded.”

I think reclaiming the parts of her emotional self that are wounded would have to occur also within her existing relationships. This would lead to the necessary confrontations with the partners that would allow to bring these relationships to a resolution. Either the partner accepts to evolve in a way that serves her needs of self-discovery and healing, and which can be embraced in an open and honest way, or the relationship should naturally reach a termination. This challenge would require her to accept the possibility of being alone (Pluto in the 11th House, Pluto polarity point in Aries). All of this would require her to penetrate and psychoanalyze herself in order to uncover the dynamics and the displaced emotions that are the reason why she never wants to be alone (South Node in the 8th House Cancer, North Node ruler conjunct the South Node). It would also require her to embrace her desires to create a reality that progressively reflects more aspects of who she naturally is, instead of being so conditioned by the requirements of the partners (the Pluto polarity point in the 5th House Aries, the North Node in the Second House).

This seems quite a fixed pattern, isn’t it. It is operating in such a way that re-creation of trauma seems so likely.  

Much more can be added, even though the main dynamics have already been identified and synthesized. I will post further about this birthchart if I have any insight. Any further comments, observations, etc. that you may have, are most welcome.

God Bless,

Gonzalo
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« Reply #24 on: Feb 10, 2011, 10:39 PM »

Hi all, I have an absolutely new question.

I've been contemplating boredom... yawn... I think that may be an Aquarius thing, and wanted to see what you thought about that. To me that psychology seems to be an indication of something else below the surface, pointing to an unconscious dissociation from the possibilities of life.

 
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« Reply #25 on: Feb 11, 2011, 05:01 PM »

Hi all,

Thanks for another very interesting thread. Not to detract from the previous chart analysis, or Ari's question, I have another question about Aquarius/Uranus/11th that I've pondered for some time. I'm not sure if I will be able to follow up with many posts about it as my health is not that good, and I have a lot of other world things happening taking up my time at the moment, but I thought I'd ask it anyway.  

Why is trauma specifically correlated to the Aquarius archetype? On the face of it, it is quite different to common Aquarius characteristics such as uniqueness/liberation/innovation/ideals/community. It perhaps has more in common with shock, fragmentation, splitting, group hysteria, ostracization .. or even revolution.

In a way trauma might seem to be more the result of Virgo/6th house crisis and sadomasochistic abuse, or Scorpio/8th house betrayal, maipulation and vindictiveness.

How does trauma, acknowledged as an Aquarius phenomena, relate to and tie in with all the other Aquarius attributes? Is it perhaps that the process of healing trauma leads to liberation? Or in the process of individuating, trauma of some kind is simply intrinsically inevitable? ... or is it something else?

blessings Upasika
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« Reply #26 on: Feb 12, 2011, 09:26 AM »

Hi Upasika, wanted share my thoughts about your questions about trauma and it's correction to the Aquarius archetype. The reason trauma has a specific correlation to this archetype is because we often need to experience trauma in order to become aware of the emotional/psychological patterns that we need to liberate from. In other words, it is through the experience of trauma that we can learn to objectify emotional/psychological patterns that are creating blocks to further growth. The square to the Taurus and Scorpio archetype reflects the liberation (Aquarius) from emotional/psychological patterns (Taurus/Scorpio archetypes) that again are creating limitations towards further growth.
Also, the dynamic of emotional investment is reflected in the square to the Scorpio archtype. Any friendship/partnership/social group that we have overly invested ourselves in such a way that we are blocking our own growth because of the over investment must, at some point, be liberated from. In other words, trauma is intended to promote the awareness of the specific emotional/psychological patterns that are creating blocks and limitation towards growth. Trauma is indended to create liberation from these patterns.  Hope this helps.
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« Reply #27 on: Feb 12, 2011, 07:56 PM »

Hi Upasika

I would like to add that the nature of the energy of trauma has an Uranian vibration. Trauma involves intense, sudden and unexpected events, which cause a massive effect on the individual or people, where the current reality and life that exists for such individual or people are altered dramatically. Further, in this type of societies the disruptive vibration that the traumatic even creates for the Soul, goes unhealed, and has to be repressed (Capricorn). Thus, it lies within the individuated unconscious (Uranus, Aquarius), however, it keeps seeking release, and creating an intense state of inner mental stress, or split or fragmentation of the personality (Aquarius), and recreation or reliving of the traumatic events. The recreation or reliving of the trauma becomes necessary for the Soul to liberate of the trauma.

God Bless,

Gonzalo
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« Reply #28 on: Feb 13, 2011, 11:57 PM »

Hi Deva and Gonzalo,

Thanks for your input .. what both of you say makes really good sense of it. I can see how it relates now, great.

Upasika
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« Reply #29 on: Feb 15, 2011, 10:22 AM »

Hi Ari,

I'm sorry for my delay in coming back to your post:

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I've been contemplating boredom... yawn... I think that may be an Aquarius thing, and wanted to see what you thought about that. To me that psychology seems to be an indication of something else below the surface, pointing to an unconscious dissociation from the possibilities of life.

Haven't got much to say. My thoughts are as follows. Normally, the Uranian energy implies a high level of excitement and stimulation, which usually are unrelated to boredom. Though, the Aquarius archetype can point to the psychology of depression, because of necessary changes that need to be made, and that are being repressed (Capricorn). This state can include a feeling of futility, stagnation, and boredom. Also, the psychology of alienation, of always looking for an external stimulation or "new" things, can lead to a state of  deep emptiness, depression, futility, which can be experienced as an intense boredom with the overall conditions of the whole life. This can include the feeling of unending repetition of external stimulus or internal responses and signals, which should point the way to the changes the Soul needs to embrace in order to liberate from such conditions. 

God Bless,

Gonzalo
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