Elen
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« Reply #183 on: Apr 30, 2014, 11:56 AM » |
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Hi Rad,
Thank you SO much.
First, I am sorry for the length of this question/post, but I wanted to be sure I am conveying where my confusion is and I don't know how to do that without first providing context. That, as an implied question, along with examples, is what follows:
First, here are the instructions that I am using to construct my cosmograms (from page 5 of this thread):
You will also notice that the arrow at 0 degrees of the cosmo dial is pointed at that Mars. On either side of the 0 degrees you will notice increments of 5 degrees each on either side of that 0 degree marker. And the opposite end of the 0 degrees is the 45 degree marker. To develop your personal cosmogram you will want to note the planets that connect together at the various five degree segments on either side of the 0 degree marker. So in our example cosmogram you will notice that Jupiter is at the 15 degree marker on the left side of the 0 degree marker, and that Venus is also at the 15 degree marker on the right side of the 0 degree marker that is always the reference point in developing these cosmograms.
Here is how I am understanding the instructions:
1) I look specifically and strictly at 5 degree increments. 2) Any planets with a 2 degree orb of those 5 degree increments is considered. 3) If there is a planet (or point) in the corresponding 5 degree increment on the other side, within a 2 degree orb OF THE FOCUS PLANET, then there is a cosmogram. 4) If there is no planet on the other side, within a 2 degree increment of the 5 degree marker, then there is no cosmogram.
Examples: Mars at 0° Pluto at 5° Mercury at 40° Cosmogram? Yes
Mars at 0° Pluto at 7° Mercury at 42° Cosmogram? Yes
Mars at 0° Pluto at 3° Mercury at 38° Cosmogram? Yes
Mars at 0° Pluto at 7° Mercury at 38° Cosmogram? Yes
Mars at 0° Pluto at 3° Mercury at 42° Cosmogram? Yes
Mars at 0° Pluto at 8° Mercury at 40°, 42° or 38° Cosmogram? No Mars at 0° Pluto at 2° Mercury at 40°, 42° or 38° Cosmogram? No Mars at 0° Pluto at 5°, 7° or 3° Mercury at 37° Cosmogram? No Mars at 0° Pluto at 5°, 7° or 3° Mercury at 43° Cosmogram? No
IF the above is correct, it means that even if Pluto and Mercury form a midpoint with Mars but they are out of orb of the 5° marker, they do not form a cosmogram with Mars.
As one final clarifier (to check my understanding), if Mars were at 2 degrees instead of 0 degrees, then the 5 degree increments being used to determine what planets/points create a cosmogram with Mars would then be 7 degrees (instead of 5), 12 degrees, 19 degrees, etc and in the other direction, 42 degrees, 38 degrees, 33 degrees, etc, with a 2 degree orb being considered from these markers.
From my understanding of these instructions, I come up with this cosmogram for Mars in my chart (I include the NN because I have a skipped step signature in my chart):
Mars | Mercury – Jupiter/NN/SN | Chiron/Uranus – Saturn
Solar Fire, however, shows this to be the Midpoint Tree for Mars (using 45 degree modulus and 1 degree orb as parameters):
Mars | Moon – Pluto | Saturn – Pluto
(It also includes a branch involving the MC and ASC but I understand these to be points specifically associated with the current life and thus not to be included in a cosmogram).
As you can see, my cosmogram and SF's Midpoint Tree are not even close. And it does not seem to matter how I set the parameters, the 2 never resemble one another. I CAN see how SF comes up with its Midpoint Tree and it seems that the reason there is such a significant difference is that SF is doing a straight up Midpoint analysis irrespective of 5 degree increments whereas I am using the 5 degree increments specifically and exclusively. That seems to mean that different planets are included/excluded accordingly. For reference, here are the placements of my natal planets: Pluto 14° 12’ Virgo rx Uranus 10° 00’ Virgo rx SN 11° 12’ Capricorn rx NN 11° 12’ Cancer rx Jupiter 10° 20’ Aries Saturn 19° 56’ Aquarius Moon 19° 01’ Taurus Mars 16° 41’ Capricorn Mercury 20° 41’ Capricorn rx Chiron 10° 49 Pisces
So, my question is, are we just looking for midpoints? Or are we looking specifically and only at midpoints at 5° markers? Or are we doing a combination of both? (ie, including ALL midpoints but also including planets/points that otherwise might be exlcluded but end up being included due to proximity to 5 degree markers)?
And IF the answer has to do with the 5 degree markers, ie, those are used exclusively to determine what's included and what isn't, I was wondering what the rationale for that was, ie, what is the connection between 5 degree increments and determining timeframes when past lives were lived?
THANK YOU! I very deeply appreciate the chance to ask this question and even more appreciate your willingness to consider it.
Best wishes, Ellen
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