GEODETIC EQUIVALENTS

[mountainheather]

Gosh, thanks Linda for putting all of that together, much neater than my pencil and paper adventure I'm having.  Heather

[mirta]

Thanks so much Linda and Steve for your contribution.
I was wondering (without any answer) how could I do something similar.

I am also following this thread though not able to participate now.
Thanks Rad and all the group for this opportunity to learn. I really appreciate it.
God Bless
Mirta

[Rad]

Hi All,

 Linda: "Is it correct to include the SUN?"

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No, because the Sun correlates to the current life. So if we are focusing on the prior lifetimes and their dynamics that have lead to the current life this would not be included.

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Ari: "I have a very general question, what kind of observations and correlations were made to determine these geodetic equivalents in the first place?"

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Edward Johndro was the originator of the geodetic system. He does have two books that one can read to understand the nature of his work over many, many years observing and correlating this system to Earth, and it's peoples. Johndro was primarily interested in Earth events such as earthquakes, volcanoes, and so on. One of his desires was to be able to hone this system to such a point that it would be possible to predict Earth events based on past observations and correlations. And to that end his system has a very high degree of accuracy when totally and properly understood. A few simple examples. We all remember that giant tsunami a few years ago that killed so many people in southeast Asia. Of course it was triggered by that massive underwater earthquake in the Indian Ocean that was so massive that it shifted the axis of the Earth itself. The transiting Saturn was exact to the longitude of that earthquake.  Another dramatic example: the nuclear bombs that the USA dropped on Japan. The USA's N.Node is something like 5 Leo. This correlates with the geodetic longitude of Japan: Hiroshima. The transiting Pluto, nuclear bombs, was exact to 5 degrees of Leo on that day.

JWG started using geodetic equivalents in his EA work early on in his work. He did want to see if there was a way of correlating prior lifetimes by a Soul to specific places on the Earth. In understanding JWG we must remember that he did have other capacities other than astrology that allowed him to see and know the Soul history of anyone. So this of course lent itself to his work with the geodetic equivalents in terms of being able to use it with confidence. His desire was to develop a system like this that all EA astrologers could use whether that had other capacities or not. An empirical system that worked with a high degree of certainty.

He worked on this system for most of his career and considered it 'experimental'. As we move forwards with his teaching of the geodetic equivalents we will be linking it with the Ages and their sub-ages so that so specific times and places for the history of any given Soul can be seen. He never got to the point that he felt he could publish any of this although he did teach it in a few places as a workshop that he titled: The Soul's Journey Through Time. It is the material in that workshop that is being presented here.

This is a work that he worked on for almost his entire career that he was constantly trying to perfect: he did not like 'loose ends'. And there are loose ends in what is being taught here. Some simple examples: he never reached a conclusion relative to the application of all the planetary nodes in these geodetic charts. The main issue here was the issue of the outer planetary nodes of Saturn, Uranus, Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto versus the personal planets and their nodes: Venus, Mars, the Moon, and Mercury. Obviously the outer planetary nodes correlate to great periods of time that all Souls share whereas the personal planets and their nodes are just that: personal. He came to a place where he felt that when we see in a birth chart the personal planets is aspect to the outer planetary nodes then those nodes should be included in THAT person's geodetic map.

He did not use at all the N.Nodes of any of the planets at all because those all correlate to the future evolution of any given Soul although he mused that they could correlate to the future projection of the Soul to places on the Earth in lives to come relative to where it has been, and is now.

As the geodetic system stands as of now, what he did develop, there is a very high degree of accuracy. Simply look at the chart of Obama and that should be very, very clear. When you add just two prior lives to that, Abraham Lincoln and Charles Lindbergh , it becomes even more clear.

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 God Bless, Rad

 

 

 

[Taf]

As the geodetic system stands as of now, what he did develop, there is a very high degree of accuracy. Simply look at the chart of Obama and that should be very, very clear. When you add just two prior lives to that, Abraham Lincoln and Charles Lindbergh , it becomes even more clear.

Rad,
Will we be going into depth utilizing these principles and charts?

And is Pluto's House or the S.Node of Pluto, or the S.Node of the Moon the first place to look when beginning?  Is there a practical sequence like the Pluto signature? Or does it depend on each individual chart?

PS
Thank you so much for the time and dedication to teaching all of us, and in so many different threads!

Much respect
Sincerely,
taf

[Rad]

Hi taf,

"Will we be going into depth utilizing these principles and charts?"

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Not sure what 'in depth' would mean to you, so please let me know about what you mean.

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"And is Pluto's House or the S.Node of Pluto, or the S.Node of the Moon the first place to look when beginning?  Is there a practical sequence like the Pluto signature? Or does it depend on each individual chart"

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The use of these geodetic maps is to provide another vehicle in order to understand the prior life backgrounds of any Soul that all contribute to the life being currently lived. If we have a book to read most of us would agree that it's necessary to read the totality of that book in order to understand what is being presented in that book. If I start reading chapter five first, and then continue on to the end, I will not totally understand that book. In the same way the geodetic maps provide, in it's own way, a total understanding to the entire book of any given Soul. So, it's not a matter of where to look at first when utilizing these charts. The geodetic charts must be seen and understood as a whole.

These charts should not be seen or understood to represent the entire history of any given Soul. They should be seen as specific prior lives that any given Soul is drawing upon relative to it's current life evolutionary and karmic intentions and needs.

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God Bless, Rad

[Taf]

That makes sense.  Thanks Rad.  I'll just wait and see how we progress.

taf

[Rad]

Hi All,

 Ok, so now we have arrived at a place where we can all have some experimental fun. Below you will see a list of the Astrological Ages, their sub-ages, which is further divided by 90 year segments within each that are defined by their own signs. All of you have made your own geodetic maps of your own birth charts. In order to place your natal planets within the appropriate Ages and their sub-ages, and the 90 year segments within them it will be necessary to employ another astrological method to do so. That method is called Cosmo Grams that was developed by an astrologer whose name I have forgot. I think his name was Ebertein but I can't quite remember. In his system the 360 zodiac is reduced to 90 degrees wherein all the Mutable, Cardinal, and Fixed signs are stacked up on each other thus creating this 90 degree wheel. I am attaching this wheel so you can all print it out, and also attaching a dial that you can also print out that goes in the middle of the 90 degree wheel.

So for right now I would like you to print out this wheel, the dial, and the example chart that demonstrates how to place the planets within the wheel by using the dial. When we have all done this I will then present how to use them.

God Bless, Rad

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The Astrological Ages and Sub-Ages

1. LEO AGE:  10,900 B.C. - 8740 B.C.
10,900 - 10,810   Leo
10,810 - 10,720   Virgo
10,720 - 10,630   Libra
10,630 - 10,540   Scorpio
10,540 - 10,450   Sagittarius
10,450 - 10,360   Capricorn
10,360 - 10,270   Aquarius
10,270 - 10,180   Pisces
10,180 - 10,090   Aries
10,090 - 10,000   Taurus
10,000 - 9,910   Gemini
  9,910 - 9,820   Cancer

AQUARIUS SUB-AGE OF THE LEO AGE:  9,820 - 8,740 B.C.
9,820 - 9,730   Aquarius
9,730 - 9,640   Pisces
9,640 - 9,550   Aries
9,550 - 9,460   Taurus
9,460 - 9,370   Gemini
9,370 - 9,280   Cancer
9,280 - 9,190   Leo
9,190 - 9,100   Virgo
9,100 - 9,010   Libra
9,010 - 8,920   Scorpio
8,920 - 8,830   Sagittarius
8,830 - 8,740   Capricorn


2. CANCER AGE:  8,740 - 6,580 B.C.
8,740 - 8,650   Cancer
8,650 - 8,560   Leo
8,560 - 8,470   Virgo
8,470 - 8,380   Libra
8,380 - 8,290   Scorpio
8,290 - 8,200   Sagittarius
8,200 - 8,110   Capricorn
8,110 - 8,020   Aquarius
8,020 - 7,930   Pisces
7,930 - 7,840   Aries
7,840 - 7,750   Taurus
7,750 - 7,660   Gemini

CAPRICORN SUB-AGE OF THE CANCER AGE:  7,660 - 6,580 B.C.
7,660 - 7,570   Capricorn
7,570 - 7,480   Aquarius
7,480 - 7,390   Pisces
7,390 - 7,300   Aries
7,300 - 7,210   Taurus
7,210 - 7,120   Gemini
7,120 - 7,030   Cancer
7,030 - 6,940   Leo
6,940 - 6,850   Virgo
6,850 - 6,760   Libra
6,760 - 6,670   Scorpio
6,670 - 6,580   Sagittarius


3. GEMINI AGE:  6,580 - 4,420 B.C.
6,580 - 6,490   Gemini
6,490 - 6,400   Cancer
6,400 - 6,310   Leo
6,310 - 6,220   Virgo
6,220 - 6,130   Libra
6,130 - 6,040   Scorpio
6,040 - 5,950   Sagittarius
5,950 - 5,860   Capricorn
5,860 - 5,770   Aquarius
5,770 - 5,680   Pisces
5,680 - 5,590   Aries
5,590 - 5,500   Taurus

SAGITTARIUS SUB-AGE OF THE GEMINI AGE:  5,500 - 4,420 BC
5,500 - 5,410   Sagittarius
5,410 - 5,320   Capricorn
5,320 - 5,230   Aquarius
5,230 - 5,140   Pisces
5,140 - 5,050   Aries
5,050 - 4,960   Taurus
4,960 - 4,870   Gemini
4,870 - 4,780   Cancer
4,780 - 4,690   Leo
4,690 - 4,600   Virgo
4,600 - 4,510   Libra
4,510 - 4,420   Scorpio


4. TAURUS AGE:  4,420 - 2,260 B.C.
4,420 - 4,330   Taurus
4,330 - 4,240   Gemini
4,240 - 4,150   Cancer
4,150 - 4,060   Leo
4,060 - 3,970   Virgo
3,970 - 3,880   Libra
3,880 - 3,790   Scorpio
3,790 - 3,700   Sagittarius
3,700 - 3,610   Capricorn
3,610 - 3,520   Aquarius
3,520 - 3,430   Pisces
3,430 - 3,340   Aries

SCORPIO SUB-AGE OF THE TAURUS AGE:  3,340 - 2,260 B.C.
3,340 - 3,250   Scorpio
3,250 - 3,160   Sagittarius
3,160 - 3,070   Capricorn
3,070 - 2,980   Aquarius
2,980 - 2,890   Pisces
2,890 - 2,800   Aries
2,800 - 2,710   Taurus
2,710 - 2,620   Gemini
2,620 - 2,530   Cancer
2,530 - 2,440   Leo
2,440 - 2,350   Virgo
2,350 - 2,260   Libra


5. ARIES AGE:  2,260 - 100 B.C.
2,260 - 2,170   Aries
2,170 - 2,080   Taurus
2,080 - 1,990   Gemini
1,990 - 1,900   Cancer
1,900 - 1,810   Leo
1,810 - 1,720   Virgo
1,720 - 1,630   Libra
1,630 - 1,540   Scorpio
1,340 - 1,450   Sagittarius
1,450 - 1,360   Capricorn
1,360 - 1,270   Aquarius
1,270 - 1,180   Pisces

LIBRA SUB-AGE OF THE ARIES AGE:  1,180-100 B.C.
1,180 - 1,090   Libra
1,090 - 1,000   Scorpio
1,000 - 910   Sagittarius
910 - 820   Capricorn
820 - 730   Aquarius
730 - 640   Pisces
640 - 550   Aries
550 - 460   Taurus
460 - 370   Gemini
370 - 280   Cancer
280 - 190   Leo
190 - 100   Virgo


6. PISCES AGE:  100 B.C. - 2060 A.D
100BC - 10BC   Pisces
10BC - 80 AD   Aries
  80 - 170   Taurus
170 - 260   Gemini
260 - 350   Cancer
350 - 440   Leo
440 - 530   Virgo
530 - 620   Libra
620 - 710   Scorpio
710 - 800   Sagittarius
800 - 890   Capricorn
890 - 980   Aquarius

VIRGO SUB-AGE OF THE PISCES AGE:  980 - 2060 A.D.
  980 - 1070   Virgo
1070 - 1160   Libra
1160 - 1250   Scorpio
1250 - 13 40   Sagittarius
1340 - 1430   Capricorn
1430 - 1520   Aquarius
1520 - 1610   Pisces
1610 - 1700   Aries
1700 - 1790   Taurus
1790 - 1880   Gemini
1880 - 1970   Cancer
1970 - 2060   Leo

[Linda]

Hi Rad,

I found this on Wikipedia:

The term Cosmobiology as most frequently used in the English language, refers to the school of astrology founded by Reinhold Ebertin.  Cosmobiology expanded into medical astrology, Dr. Ebertin being a physician.

In cosmobiological analysis, planets are inserted into a special type of horoscope often referred to as a 'Cosmogram' (derived from the Uranian 90° dial chart) and delineated.

The primary reference/research text for Cosmobiology was first published in 1940 by the German astrologer Reinhold Ebertin.  The name of the book is The Combination of Stellar Influences.

[Taf]

That method is called Cosmo Grams that was developed by an astrologer whose name I have forgot. I think his name was Ebertein but I can't quite remember.

Thanks Linda, I happened to be checking myself as you were.  Here's a few more interesting facts:

The 90 degree dial methods were developed by a German astrologer/surveyor named Alfred Witte, based on ancient techniques and concepts regarding midpoints.  Witte was an enemy of the Third Reich whose research/books were banned.  His ideas were then resurrected by Reinhold Ebertin (without the Trans-Neptunians), a German astrologer/physician, who put an extensive amount of work into Medical Astrology correlations.

Both Witte (midpoints/dial paradigm) and Johndro (Geodetic Equivalents) committed suicide.

Witte's book that inspired Ebertin was titled Rulebook of Planetary Pictures.


taf

[Linda]

Those are interesting facts Taf - thanks.     

Great to have you as part of our little group here.

[Rad]

Hi All,

 Let me know if all of you are ready to move on .............

God Bless, Rad

[Linda]

Yes thank you, I am ready.

[Upasika]

Hi Rad, I've also been following along too, and understand it all so far. Haven't had time to put my chart onto the map etc so will try to find time for that today or tommorrow, but I'm ready to continue.

[Rad]

Hi All,

 Ok, let's move forwards. You now have the 90 degree dial. The first thing to do is to stack all the Cardinal, Fixed, and Mutable signs on top of one another. So starting at 0 degrees put the sign Aries at the very bottom of the rung as illustrated in the example cosmogram that I attached before. Then add Cancer, Libra, and Capricorn which should now be on the top rung. Do exactly the same for the Fixed and Mutable signs. The Fixed signs are placed at the 30 degree mark, and the Mutable ones at the 60 degree mark.

The next step is to place your natal planets in the cosmogram. For example, if you have Mars at 10 degrees of Aries you would place that exactly at the 10 degree Aries mark in the cosmogram: just like in the example cosmogram provided. So go ahead and place all of your planets in your cosmogram. You will now have a complete cosmogram of your natal planets. Do not include your natal Sun. You can include the S.Nodes of your Venus, Mercury, Mars, and your Moon.

Before we move on let me know if any of you have questions of these steps.

God Bless, Rad

[Wendy]

Hi Rad,

I have been following along and just getting to filling out the map and the dial.  For the fixed and mutable planets I assume we just treat the 30 degree mark on the dial for the fixed planets the same as the 0 degree point for cardinal.  Meaning we start at 30 degrees for 1 degree of Leo, and so on for all the fixed planets.  Then with the mutable planets, we start at 60, but count 1-30 for the mutable planet placements.

I hope this makes sense. 

Thank you,
Wendy