Idea for a Mercury thread

[Rad]

Hi Gonzalo,

If possible can you supply the boy's given name at birth ? And, if possible, a photo of his face ?

God Bless, Rad

[Gonzalo]

Hi Rad,

... sure ... the boy's name is Luciano Nicanor Romero ...

And here is a picture of the boy ...



Thank you so much,

God Bless,

Gonzalo

[Gonzalo]

Hi Jason

Thanks so much for your continuing comments about this birthchart ... just wanted to reply to your latest post by now ... I am sure Rad's feedback will enrich this discussion ...

God Bless,

Gonzalo

Of course there are many possibilities around astral involvement, but the kind I was talking about is really relatively simple – beings who thrive on attention and convince people that they are more powerful than they in fact are – deriving a kind of energy from the attention and sometimes fear that they attract.

Well, this boy is, within his games, very interested in having special “powers” of all kind, specially fighting powers (currently Avatar Ang or Dragon Ball Z type of powers …)…not sure if this can be a general phenomena in kids perhaps, ie. identifying with superheroes, etc.

Here where I live there are many naïve Souls seeking “spiritual experiences” of one sort or another these beings tend to have a hey-day, and of course they also feed on the desire of many people to be special and uniquely connected to some entity of some kind.  (It can get pretty elaborate especially since these entities can often do some bells-and-whistles sorts of phenomena that attract attention and sometimes whole mini-movements get mobilized around people affiliated with these consciously or unconsciously.  They can also impersonate genuine spiritual guides sometimes, but the give away is their demands for attention and stimulation of people's baser emotions.)  People who fit the description of this child – desiring specialness, psychically open, avoidant of bodily experience – are particularly susceptible to this.  Dealing with it is actually quite simple, it involves simply and non-dramatically holding a consciousness of genuine unconditional love towards the being, in the face of which it cannot continue to hold its form.  Fighting with these, doing lots of “protections”, trying to figure out what they are, drama, etc. etc. only feeds them and keeps the person “hooked,” the key is love and in the face of that these things either detach or transform.  People are often shocked by how easy it is once the trance of being weaker than these entities and needing anything else outside of oneself is broken.

Wow, great to know this, thanks so much, Jason. I think this natural technique could be of great help for the kid.

I was at first hearing the above as a possibility due to Pallas trining the Lucifer in Gemini and the Neptune in Aquarius – the weirdness and the tricksterish quality of “spaceship sending worms into my body” sounding very much like the way these beings can sometimes show up and compel one’s attention.  And he does seem to have a kind of vulnerability to this as we discussed which is relevant for his evolution even if the specifics aren't related to this particular manifestation.  Another possibility is that this is simply the kind of “junk dreams” that JWG refers to in the Pluto school DVD’s.  In which case, as you say, this child may be inclined to grab onto and make significant as one more way to avoid the direct experience of being in form and in a body.  That to me would still be the same trine in action, with Pallas trining the Aquarius Neptune, bringing plenty of weird dream material, also conjunct the SN of Neptune, so plenty of old material to draw on and mix in, which then tempts him to keep collecting and analyzing all sorts of this "information" (Lucifer in Gemini in 6th), a distraction from his path. 
(Of course that could also be a temptation with the astral material too; this does seem to be taking place either way, as I notice a countertranference effect in this area for me, as I find myself wanting to name and analyze, focus mental attention on, this phenomenon, perhaps like the boy).”

Thank you for sharing this. Well, when analyzing the birthchart, I am sure we can try to uncover the fundamental dynamics which correlate with any types of experiences of the kid’s Soul, including the experience of the worms ……………. This doesn't mean imply on itself what specific information needs to b delivered to the kid about what he experiences ...

... the potential astral nature of these worms is indeed supported in the birthchart through the symbols you brought in, specially Pallas trining Lucifer in Gemini and Neptune in Aquarius, Mercury being square to Pallas, and conjunct Pallas ruler Venus, Pallas square the South Node of Mercury/Venus, etc., in relation to Pluto being in the 12th House.  So we can know that experiences of these types have occurred in the past … Pallas conjunct the Moon’s South Node … Further, this symbols, and the North Node ruler, Mars, being Balsamic conjunct to Pluto, imply the need to relive.  There are also subconscious memories originating in these experiences, which are replayed by the kid … so, in my view, I wouldn’t say the birthchart could by itself tell whether the current series of astral worms attacks were real or imagined … in my view, that would need to be determined through direct observation … while I understand the birthchart surely contains ways to tell the difference in the observed reality…

[Rad]

Hi Gonzalo,

My comments will be specific to your chief concern which is about this boy's dreams and the 'worms' in those dreams from some kind of space craft. The bottom line is that he has had several lifetimes that took place at points in time in which beings from places came onto this Earth via spacecraft and transmitted various knowledge to the humans at those times which included building structures that the humans of those times had no ability, of themselves, to build. And all of these structures were orientated to the origins of these beings themselves: specific portals built within them that pointed to their home, or origins.

The transmissions of this knowledge were to selected humans on those places and times, not all the humans of those places and times. The means of the transmissions were akin to what we would call 'psychic communication' but also different in that the nature of the 'thoughts' from these beings were highly charged electrical impulses that would penetrate the much denser consciousness of the humans forms selected for such transmissions. These highly charged electrical impulses would penetrated the human consciousness and translate into 'thoughts' that human life form could interpret from within the reality of it's own consciousness as specific 'directions'. These thoughts then manifested as all kinds of 'knowledge' within the humans at these various points in time, the nature of that knowledge being impossible for the humans of those times and places to know solely by themselves.

This then manifested in the forms of knowledge that we call mathematics, astronomy, and so on. They also manifested as how to build these structures which from the point of view of human evolution in those times were in fact 'impossible' to build.

This boy was one of those that were selected by these space beings because in those times he was very evolved as compared to the 'consensus' of the other humans of those times. In those times he would typically be a leader of these groups of peoples in various ways.

These beings came from the constellations Cygnus, Draco, and the Pleiades, but primarily Cygnus. One of the primary stars within this constellation is the star Deneb. This star conjuncts this boys natal Uranus in Pisces in his 3rd House, and the S.Nodes of Juno and, yep, Pallas. It is sextile to his natal Venus and Mercury, and the S.Nodes of Venus and Mercury as well.

So you can of course see the EA symbolism in which he is dreaming of 'thought forms' manifesting as what he calls worms. The reasons for this is how he experienced the original transmission of those highly charged thought forms from these beings when they actually took place: they seem to come from the outside of him to the inside of him. And because of the nature of the highly charged electrical thought forms this registered within his consciousness as a kind of stinging or heat on the skin, and within the brain itself.

The places in which these past live took place include Karahunge in Armenia around 7,500 B.C.E, Puma Punku in Bolivia,  Grobecki Tepli in Turkey around 15,000 B.C.E, and some other places. He was indeed in those lifetimes a master builder made that way because of these transmitted thought forms from these beings. The master builder is very clear from his chart in so many ways including his S.Node in the 10th, ruled by his Venus/Mercury in Capricorn in the 12th House, Saturn in Cancer squaring his S. and N Nodes. His  Moon perfectly in Taurus in his 5th, which is ruled by his Venus/Mercury, perfectly aligns through geodetics with both the Armenian and Turkish places in which those structures were built. His natal Neptune, the ruler of his Deneb, is also conjunct his S.Node of Neptune and aligns with Puma Punku in Bolivia.

The other conditions that you are speaking about, i.e. the teeth mashing at night, the other various fears, are all caused by other lifetimes that have nothing to do with these specific prior lives that are linked with these 'worms from other being's' or the 'spacecraft' above him. The night peeing can come and go also because it's very likely that he has a valve within his bladder that is not receiving the correct amount of hormones at night to keep it shut. This can be seen in his Saturn in Cancer squaring his Nodes from the 4th to the 10th. This will correct itself over time. I have dealt with many children in my practice who have had this same condition. In the worse case scenarios this peeing at night, even though it will become much less frequent the older he becomes, can last right up until puberty if in fact it is an issue of not enough hormones to shut off that valve right now.

You will also find Gonzalo that the older he becomes the less these dreams will be occurring within him. In essence, they will resolve themselves. All the things you have been doing are all the right things to do. With this information now you can also talk to him in his waking states so as to explain to him what these 'dreams' are, and why they are. In essence they are 'memories' from other times, and those times were in fact good times. Remember that Uranus, among other correlations, correlates to our long term memories including the memories of our own unique prior lifetimes which are held within our Soul, held within our own individuated unconscious. So, again, here is his Uranus in Pisces conjunct the star Deneb within the constellation Cygnus.

You would do well to familiarize yourself with the Earth history of humans orientation to this star. A good place to start is here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/11608161/Cygnus-X3

Feel free to ask more about this boy.

God Bless, Rad

 

[Gonzalo]

Hi Rad,

Wow, I am speechless … ! … thanks so much, this information is astonishing …

Are we supposed to be able to see these things in birthcharts? … Pluto 12th House, Uranus in Pisces in the 3rd House …. Pallas, and the relationship between Pallas and Mercury, etc. …. How would we discriminate between these different types of consciousness’s, ie. astral beings or visitors from ET civilizations, etc.?  Would it be in this birthchart because of Scorpio in the 11th House, ruled by Pluto in the 12th House (ie. Aquarius and Pisces archetypes), theme which is repeated by Uranus in Pisces and Neptune in Aquarius, ie. other types of consciousness’s (12th House) ...  belonging to the Galactic community (11th House) … ?

Would the South Node being in the 10th House, Libra, with the planetary ruler being in the 12th House, in Capricorn, symbolize relationships with other types of consciousness’ which, though, are somehow similar to human form, because they operate within physical form, in time-space (however in a different way) ?
Then, if this is correct, in the case of astral beings, the symbols correlating with such influences would be more only Pisces, than 11th House/Uranus/Aquarius archetype. However, within the astral plane,  doesn’t the Souls maintain a capacity to use language, and to communicate thoughts or ideas in a linear way …  which implies a relative connection with time, and space, ie. Capricorn, 10th House, especially in ‘earthbound’ spirits …

Rad, all seems so vast from this perspective… so many lives … so much time …. So many worlds or planets, and planes of reality … seems difficult for me to correctly determine where and how has the Soul been in concrete terms …. I wouldn’t seen the connections to building master either… which now I can see suggested by Pluto 12th House, South Node in the 10th House, South Node ruler  back in the 12th House, in Capricorn … a form that reflects an ideal, a form ‘representing’ or attuning with the ideal, ‘made of stone’ …

The Pluto connection by rulership to the 11th House Scorpio would also suggest in this context that also the kid’s Soul came from other planet. With Pluto/Mars in Sagittarius, and their conjunction with the South Nodes of Uranus/Mars, and the mutable archetype emphasized in his birthchart (Pisces, 12th House, Gemini, and Pisces), I would think of a daemon Soul. Does the type of connection of the kid’s Soul with these peoples from Cygnus, Draco, and the Pleiades, imply that his Soul came from some of these worlds? … or, is it a daemon Soul who for some reasons was capable of receiving and using this type of information ?
 
To me, the South Node in the 10th House in relation to Pluto in the 12th House, implies by itself an some level of inherent conflict in the Soul, despite the sextile relationship between Capricorn and Pisces … which in the context you commented seems so clear … I will try to clarify my thoughts about what this implied conflict could be … in first place, it would seem that there is a conflict between natural life and building anything connected to “cities” ... well, it seems these ‘first’ buildings at those times where in fact sacred sites, not intended for living, but for worship and connection with … Nature, and the Cosmos … while at same time the relationship with Nature was becoming modulated through these cultural forms and archetypes that were being seeded in the Earth human species by more advanced peoples of the galaxy … Seems these types of places have also been linked with time periods in which transition was occurring from nomadism to living in villages and cities … I am sorry I haven´t read much about these types of beings, and their historical impact on Earth humans …. if the intention of these beings was to help humanity evolve, is it possible that their plans implied wanting to induce the creation of  villages, leading to cities, which would occur because of the ongoing connection with these specific sacred sites? (given that from some point of view living in cities makes possible an incredible multiplication of the complexity of life, and the variety of mental connections-Uranus, Aquarius, thus promoting a collective evolution of the human brain)…. While at same time, we know that geographical stabilization of nomads allowed the initially slow process of accumulation of goods and private property, within the patriarchy …

I note that many years passed between the Grobecki Tepli times and the beginning of patriarchy, but also, I feel that building these sacred sites would have manifested a much purer impulse than any urbanistic  program of any people ... I understand also that these resonating structure  that were built at those times were naturally aligned with Earth’s own energy centers, lines, or power zones, ie. Gaia’s energy body …   which then makes more sense to me if the Soul nature were indeed a daemon Soul …. However, the sole idea of building a structure implies giving concrete reality to an idea, or an ideal or inspiration, and, at same time, implies that the structure remains in place and has the capacity of being given other uses … in which it can simply ‘represent’ something which is forgotten or is non-experienced … as the ‘temple’ in the words of Jesus about worshiping in spirit and not in the temple … so, one of the many questions this paradigm, and the information you provided, arise, is whether this alien induced creation of sacred architectural sites, temples, and then the first cities, where in fact part of the natural evolutionary path for the human species on Earth … which connects to the question about these peoples coming from outer spaces … where they in a Spiritual condition and, further, motivated by God’s will, or with the Center of the Galaxy, when bringing these seeds into human consciousness ? I suppose the answer is yes …
I think this can be important to know, because, if I am no wrong in the way have interpreted this birthchart until now, natural and pure desires (Pluto 12th House Sagittarius) to build or maintain structures (10th House) originally intended to help people align with a higher will (12th House Pluto, ruling the 11th House), is a causal factor of the experiences of disillusionment in the Soul of this kid …

Thank you so much, Rad ….

God Bless,

Gonzalo

[Rad]

Hi Gonzalo,

"Are we supposed to be able to see these things in birthcharts? … Pluto 12th House, Uranus in Pisces in the 3rd House …. Pallas, and the relationship between Pallas and Mercury, etc. …. How would we discriminate between these different types of consciousness’s, ie. astral beings or visitors from ET civilizations, etc.?  Would it be in this birthchart because of Scorpio in the 11th House, ruled by Pluto in the 12th House (ie. Aquarius and Pisces archetypes), theme which is repeated by Uranus in Pisces and Neptune in Aquarius, ie. other types of consciousness’s (12th House) ...  belonging to the Galactic community (11th House) … ? "

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Yes, all that symbolism correlates to this yet, at the same time, those very symbols also correlate the the astral realm and the entities that live within them. That's why both you and Jason came up with the analysis that you both did because those symbols support such an analysis. And as we have discussed many, many times, and as JWG himself taught, what is important to understand are the dynamics in the birth chart from an EA point of view, and the reasons for those dynamics. Thus, if one is working with a client such as this boy it's only really important to know those dynamics versus the specific nature of those past lives that correlate with those dynamics. So working with such a Soul the EA person can talk within the realm of those dynamics, and the reasons for them. In the case of this boy it's a matter of saying to him that his Soul has been asking the big questions about life for many, many lifetimes, i.e. why life and death, where does it all come from, etc, and because of that he has expanded or opened his consciousness to become aware of the answers. And, along the way, this opening has included having his consciousness 'seeded' with the information/ knowledge that correlates with the questions themselves where 'seeded' correlates to other entities of an astral nature. Thus the 'thought forms' that have come into him in this way in other lifetimes are the basis of his imagery of the worms. These 'worms' of course are not literally worms. They are thought forms coming into him where, in the context of a six year old, those thought forms are given that type of imagery.

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Would the South Node being in the 10th House, Libra, with the planetary ruler being in the 12th House, in Capricorn, symbolize relationships with other types of consciousness’ which, though, are somehow similar to human form, because they operate within physical form, in time-space (however in a different way) ?

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Yes ...............

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Then, if this is correct, in the case of astral beings, the symbols correlating with such influences would be more only Pisces, than 11th House/Uranus/Aquarius archetype. However, within the astral plane,  doesn’t the Souls maintain a capacity to use language, and to communicate thoughts or ideas in a linear way …  which implies a relative connection with time, and space, ie. Capricorn, 10th House, especially in ‘earthbound’ spirits …

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The interface relative to time/space and the 'astral' plane occurs through the 11th House. That interface is called 'hyperspace' through which human Soul's can 'communicate' with Souls that are within the astral or casual planes. The nature of the communication is psychic transmission where the nature of the thoughts from the astral entities are simply projected, 11th House, Aquarius, Uranus, into the consciousness of the human soul. Those projections then translate into thought forms within the human soul, thought forms that then make logical sense to the human soul because of them manifesting within the inherent structure of consciousness in human form.

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Rad, all seems so vast from this perspective… so many lives … so much time …. So many worlds or planets, and planes of reality … seems difficult for me to correctly determine where and how has the Soul been in concrete terms …. I wouldn’t seen the connections to building master either… which now I can see suggested by Pluto 12th House, South Node in the 10th House, South Node ruler  back in the 12th House, in Capricorn … a form that reflects an ideal, a form ‘representing’ or attuning with the ideal, ‘made of stone’ …

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It is vast Gonzalo which is why JWG stressed the importance of understanding the dynamics that correlate with the archetypes of EA. It is the dynamics, and the reasons for them, that are important to understand for the EA astrologer. In the lives of this boy, in those lives that correlate to what we are discussing, he was also the recipient of other knowledge's, not just the building stuff. He was given knowledge of mathematics and astronomy at the same time which you can see relative to the symbols in his chart. Astronomy is the 11th House, Aquarius, and Uranus where mathematics in the 3rd House, Gemini, and Mercury.

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The Pluto connection by rulership to the 11th House Scorpio would also suggest in this context that also the kid’s Soul came from other planet. With Pluto/Mars in Sagittarius, and their conjunction with the South Nodes of Uranus/Mars, and the mutable archetype emphasized in his birthchart (Pisces, 12th House, Gemini, and Pisces), I would think of a daemon Soul. Does the type of connection of the kid’s Soul with these peoples from Cygnus, Draco, and the Pleiades, imply that his Soul came from some of these worlds? … or, is it a daemon Soul who for some reasons was capable of receiving and using this type of information ?

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He is a daemon Soul who was capable, evolved, of being able to receive and apply this type of knowledge.

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To me, the South Node in the 10th House in relation to Pluto in the 12th House, implies by itself an some level of inherent conflict in the Soul, despite the sextile relationship between Capricorn and Pisces … which in the context you commented seems so clear … I will try to clarify my thoughts about what this implied conflict could be … in first place, it would seem that there is a conflict between natural life and building anything connected to “cities” ... well, it seems these ‘first’ buildings at those times where in fact sacred sites, not intended for living, but for worship and connection with … Nature, and the Cosmos … while at same time the relationship with Nature was becoming modulated through these cultural forms and archetypes that were being seeded in the Earth human species by more advanced peoples of the galaxy … Seems these types of places have also been linked with time periods in which transition was occurring from nomadism to living in villages and cities … I am sorry I haven´t read much about these types of beings, and their historical impact on Earth humans …. if the intention of these beings was to help humanity evolve, is it possible that their plans implied wanting to induce the creation of  villages, leading to cities, which would occur because of the ongoing connection with these specific sacred sites? (given that from some point of view living in cities makes possible an incredible multiplication of the complexity of life, and the variety of mental connections-Uranus, Aquarius, thus promoting a collective evolution of the human brain)…. While at same time, we know that geographical stabilization of nomads allowed the initially slow process of accumulation of goods and private property, within the patriarchy …

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The intention of these beings was/ is to induce the awareness that humans are interconnected throughout the cosmos: that life is interconnected throughout the cosmos. This is why in the structures that were built relative to their instructions they all had 'portals' within them that pointed to their own home: the constellation of Cygnus, Draco, and the Pleiades. This issue of cities is simply a function of the human life form multiplying itself to such a level that cities became a necessity in order to organize and structure life for the human life form. And this was/ is in direct proportion to the awareness within the human life form of information and knowledge of an ever increasing nature that, of itself, dictated the necessity of building cities, the formation of countries with their own boundaries, and so on.

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I note that many years passed between the Grobecki Tepli times and the beginning of patriarchy, but also, I feel that building these sacred sites would have manifested a much purer impulse than any urbanistic  program of any people ... I understand also that these resonating structure  that were built at those times were naturally aligned with Earth’s own energy centers, lines, or power zones, ie. Gaia’s energy body …   which then makes more sense to me if the Soul nature were indeed a daemon Soul …. However, the sole idea of building a structure implies giving concrete reality to an idea, or an ideal or inspiration, and, at same time, implies that the structure remains in place and has the capacity of being given other uses … in which it can simply ‘represent’ something which is forgotten or is non-experienced … as the ‘temple’ in the words of Jesus about worshiping in spirit and not in the temple … so, one of the many questions this paradigm, and the information you provided, arise, is whether this alien induced creation of sacred architectural sites, temples, and then the first cities, where in fact part of the natural evolutionary path for the human species on Earth … which connects to the question about these peoples coming from outer spaces … where they in a Spiritual condition and, further, motivated by God’s will, or with the Center of the Galaxy, when bringing these seeds into human consciousness ? I suppose the answer is yes …

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One can only say that these beings were certainly more evolved than the human life form. Evolved in the sense of the knowledge that they had realized about the total nature of Creation versus the human life form. From this is the fact they the desired to impart or give this more evolved knowledge to the human life form for it's own benefit.

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I think this can be important to know, because, if I am no wrong in the way have interpreted this birthchart until now, natural and pure desires (Pluto 12th House Sagittarius) to build or maintain structures (10th House) originally intended to help people align with a higher will (12th House Pluto, ruling the 11th House), is a causal factor of the experiences of disillusionment in the Soul of this kid …

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YES !

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God Bless,  Rad

[PatriciaW]

Thank you for sharing all this info!! Also..Interesting link on Cygnus... My first look at the painting he shared in the article of the human figure between the bison, reminded me immediately of Dr Felicitas Goodman's work with 'shamanic body postures' or ecstatic poses. She studied extensively, ritual poses of figurines from indigenous and prehistoric art all around the world and discerned a similarity of poses (like mudras) that when practicing them induced different results. She experimented a lot with many people at her institute Cayamunga, having them do the poses and then reporting their experiences ( a sort of phenomenological research).Groups would do these poses then experience the same encounters with certain animals or the same effects upon their psyche, without any knowledge of what the pose was meant to induce.

The reclining pose (not flat on the ground but lying at an angle like laying on a slanted rock) that the human figure is in she found all around the world, and she described it as a journeying pose. To my eye, that is a shaman with his power symbol ( Bird on a stick) journeying to or ‘connecting with’ Cygnus (the face of the figure also appears to have a beak)...as his body also represents the constellation exactly. This shaman may also have known his source to be of Cygnus and the bird on the stick may also represent his lineage. In fact look at this diagram of cygnus with surrounding constellations ( as we name them today our ancestors may have seen them differently) side by side in relation to the Lascaux painting . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cygnus_IAU.svg  Cygnus
Rads link to cygnus article http://www.scribd.com/doc/11608161/Cygnus-X3


Draco and Lacerta seem in relative position to the animals in the painting also, although Draco in other cultures and today is seen as a dragon or serpent, but also interestingly can be associated with Quetzalcoatl, who also brought enlightened knowledge to humanity.

This article on the influence of cygnus via radiation or 'cosmic rays' seems to me unnecessarily materialist, as if some observable influence needs to be recorded. Maybe yes, today, in our Left brain, patriarchal culture we need such reductionist theories, but our ancestors didn't have such filters....more direct access :-) Since we can’t necessarily quantify how evolution may have been accelerated thru direct perception (or actual visitation of other alien cultures), I think researchers have to resort to these sorts of ‘proofs’. Anyway just wanted to point out these similarities….

[jasonholley]

Hi Rad and all,

Wow, I too am inspired by the depth of what you shared about this boy and in the process about our human history on this planet.  God bless you Rad and thank you for your generosity in sharing this.

One area I have questions and observations about is the recurring involvement of Juno in the astrological signatures related to these chapters of this Soul’s history.  For instance, Juno itself being conjunct Neptune, the SN of Neptune, and the NN of Mercury; the NN of Juno being conjunct Pallas, Jupiter, and the NN of Pallas; and the SN of Juno being conjunct SN Pallas, Deneb, and Uranus. 

In addition when I look at cosmograms that might be related to these lifetimes, Juno stands out as well.  For example, I was excited to see that there is an obvious correlating cosmogram for the Carahunge lifetime which took place around 7500 BCE.  This time period corresponds to the Aquarian period of the Capricorn Sub-Age, and Armenia is in the Taurus zone geodetically.  Here is the cosmogram for that:

                                         Mercury
                                   (Capricorn 12th)
                                               |
                        Juno  -------------------  Uranus
                (Aquarius 2nd)                   (Pisces 3rd)

Mercury of course situates us in the Capricorn Sub-Age, and the Juno lifetime would have taken place in the Aquarius period in a fixed geodetic zone such as the Taurus zone where Armenia is located, which is further underscored by Juno’s residence in the 2nd house.  Uranus occupying the other branch of the cosmogram correlates to an evolved planetary civilization more aware of ultimate truths transmitting “blueprints” and “messages” to this individual; and of course Juno’s location in Aquarius and its natal conjunction to Neptune show a receptivity to these messages.  And Mercury of course makes perfect sense as the “carrier” of this lifetime given how it is manifesting in thoughtforms, and Mercury’s involvement in the chart, etc.

A similar cosmogram recurs relative to the life around 15000 BCE in Gobekli Tepe, this time with Pallas as the lead planet (Pallas and Mercury having identical cosmograms due to their exact square).  It is:

                                         Pallas
                                       (Libra 9th)
                                               |
                        Juno  -------------------  Uranus
                (Aquarius 2nd)                   (Pisces 3rd)

Pallas situates us in the Libra Age, and the Juno lifetime would have taken place in the Aquarius period (about 14860 BCE – I realize that is not right at 15000 but since you said “around” and the recurrence of these cosmograms is so striking relative to Pallas and Mercury, and given the multiple links of Juno and its nodes with the key planets in this story even outside the cosmograms, I am following my intuition that this is connected; Rad could you confirm or correct?  I realize not all past life info is locatable in cosmograms but this really seems to “pop” for me when I look at it).  Again the Juno lifetime would have taken place in a fixed geodetic zone such as the Taurus zone where Gobekli Tepe is located, again further underscored by Juno’s residence in the 2nd house; and again, the Uranus in Pisces 3rd across from Juno on the cosmogram speaks clearly to the download of messages and the receptivity of the Soul to that information.  And Pallas makes perfect sense as the “carrier” given that it is about “thought seeding” and given Pallas’s involvement in the chart and the dynamics we’ve already discussed. 

Finally, another Juno emphasis is the fact that Juno itself has no cosmogram (and it is the only body among the planets, 4 goddess asteroids, and Chiron which does not), which can mean that a Soul is processing the entire collective experience of an archetype, in this case the archetype of Juno.

Taking all of this together, it is interesting to consider that of the two Juno lifetimes described above, Gobekli Tepe occurs in the Age of Libra (equality), and Carahunge occurs right at the beginning of the patriarchy (Capricorn Sub-Age).  This would seem to say that these experiences, so central to the Soul and so similar, were also very different: in Gobekli Tepe the context was that Juno could be expressed in its undistorted form as natural commitment, integrity, partnership, and co-leadership.  Whether the Soul was female or male, it was part of one of those natural but uncommon (in those times) dyadic partnerships, and that dyad co-led the groups it was a part of.  This would actually be an excellent example of a reason why monogamy would have, in occasional cases, been natural and made sense – these kinds of tuned-in Souls needing to fortify and connect together – even though the general rule in natural times was non-monogamy for reasons that have been covered elsewhere.  (Rad, a question here: would a Juno lifetime in general tend to be a female lifetime, or simply a lifetime in which partnership was central/basic to the Soul, in a distorted or undistorted way according to other factors?  For example, I found myself initially assuming this lifetime as female because of Juno, but that intuitively didn’t “land” and I could equally see this Soul as having been male but in an equal partnership dynamic – my question being what gender was the Soul in this lifetime as well as the general question about “Juno” lifetimes).  Ultimately, it then would make sense that this lifetime is “carried” by Pallas, in the 9th house, openly female spiritual leadership based on received messages.   
 
Whereas, the Carahunge lifetime took place right at the beginnings of the patriarchy, and tellingly, that lifetime is carried by Mercury, in the 12th, secret knowledge/messages.  By this time, powerful Juno figures are being pushed “behind the scenes” in some way, or be the mere “wives” and “partners” of leaders in order to have influence themselves.  Thus it is imaginable that this lifetime was either spent in that way, a female “power behind” the male, or, that it might have been that the Soul was a co-leader, male or female, of a comparatively alientated group who were in rebellion to patriarchy and staying with the old natural matriarchal ways (Juno being in Aquarius).  Rad, are these suggestions on track? 

In either case, it seems that this Soul knows both sides of the Juno experience.  And thus also, that this Soul is playing some kind of role in rehabilitation of the Juno archetype – now as we return to the Age of Aquarius (also the sign in which his Juno is located)? 

Another question I have relative to the boy’s experience of the “worms” – you have mentioned that these are the boy’s best way, given his age, to name the electrical thought impulses that he had received in previous lifetimes.  How does this work, meaning are “traces” of these electrical impulses/messages themselves still carried in his etheric body, or are there just memories about having been experienced those impulses/messages?  If the former, is there any reason these might be being activated at this time?   Or is this just part of growing up and reliving some of these dynamics (SN conjunct Jupiter/Pallas NN, which is also conjunct Pallas)? 

Another question I have is about our earlier analysis.  You had indicated that Gonzalo and I rendered basically valid analyses of the dynamics of (vs. the concrete manifestations of) the symbols, but I wanted specifically to check whether my analysis about the grand trine of Jupiter/Pallas/SN Pallas with Neptune/SN Neptune and Lucifer Gemini is correct – that it could indicate less beneficial / darker thought seeding coming from the astral world.  Is this a correct way to make use of Lucifer in the chart?  In addition, even given the history we have learned through you, is it still the case that this boy may also have had history with such darker experiences from the astral world?  Certainly his chart suggests he might be more vulnerable than others.  Or, would we assume that his evolutionary state is sufficiently advanced such that he would be basically able to “screen out” that kind of intrusion?   Would the conjunction of asteroid Pandora with Neptune/SN Neptune/Juno and its participation in that grand trine with Pallas and Lucifer also support the view of the Soul’s opening up too much, perhaps trying to restore its connection with the Cygnians and Pleiadeans but in the process getting into other kinds of involvements? 

Also, given what we do know about the Soul’s history from you, could that Lucifer/Pallas/Neptune grand trine could be looked at in a positive light as bringing “messages of light” from an advanced civilization (Lucifer in Gemini, conjunct Uranus NN), and in some sense as discipleship/apprenticeship to that light (6th house)?   This seems an exciting possibility yet my experience looking at the positives or evolutionary intentions of Lucifer placements is limited. 

Finally, another placement I note is that asteroid Cassandra is conjunct to Saturn and part of the skipped steps signature in this chart, square the nodes and opposite Chiron.  To me this would suggest that in lifetimes after the ones you told us about, this Soul might have tried to communicate information like that which it communicated successfully in those lifetimes, but not been believed or somehow been discredited – and that this wound may have a great deal to do with why it has stalled itself evolutionarily with the skipped steps.  Does this make sense?  Perhaps that discrediting may even be linked to the Pandora/Lucifer “imitations” that the Soul might have gotten distracted by in later lifetimes?   

Words fail, Rad, thank you so much.  As Gonzalo said, it is astonishing and consciousness-widening what you continue to share with us.

With love, God bless,
Jason

[Gray]

Hi Gonzalo, Rad, Jason, and others....

Gonzalo, I have been fascinated by your writing about Luciano and have been meaning to post something for the past couple of days but people keep posting deeper information for me to process...still haven't read Jason's last post.....but thank you so much for sharing the chart of Luciano- I have not fully digested the first chart you posted on this thread but the idea of working with a chart like Luciano's feels more at home to me anyway.

There are few subjects being brought up I am not fully aware of- Jason mentioned a "junk dreams" discussion on a JWG dvd that I think I can intuit the meaning but I am not completely sure. I have heard the term Daemon soul before and am most familiar with a Daemon psychological concept developed by James Hillman in his "Soul's Code" book, a book whose theory I believe would apply to Luciano in many ways. I just started searching the message board for talk on Daemon Soul and found a strand I have not yet been able to read completely, but I believe I get the essence (and even wonder if I have a connection to this). Deva's comments on this strand concerning the alienation Daemon Soul's can have to being human seems to me like it applies to Luciano, and I will get to that. For now I want to make sure I finally post something hear, but I can also tell I have some reading to do to catch up with y'alls knowledge base.

Rad, your analysis of the thought forms is fascinating to me and is a subject I have wondered about but do not feel I understand. I felt compelled to buy a copy of Barbara Hand Clow's "Pleiadian Agenda" but I have not taken the time yet to read it; but I feel like some of the ideas there are similar. It is an interesting subject to me that I agree with you does help explain a lot of complicated and intriguing bursts of human development on Earth.

Ok sorry to ramble but I do have some things to comment on regarding Mercury and Luciano. Gonzalo and Jason have already elaborated on the EA dynamics in this chart, I realize, but to me if I had to single out one factor involved with Luciano's Mercury it would be the interplay between his emotions, emotional sense of self, and the resulting impact on his ability to perceive and communicate information. Gonzalo, I believe it is a true gift for Luciano to grow up with parents who have not made an attempt to make him think he is crazy for having these thoughts.  One major clue to me that he must return in some way at least to dealing with these thought forms is the simple fact his North Node ruler Mars takes him back to the 12th House in balsamic conjunction to Pluto, also conjunct the South Nodes of his Mars and Uranus.

A major symbol in his chart to me is that Saturn is Retrograde, Saturn is in Cancer, and Saturn is in the 7th House as the skipped step squaring his nodal axis and in opposition to his Chiron-Sun conjunction in Capricorn in his 1st House.  Saturn being Retrograde alone would bring up potential issues of emotional security, sense of self, internalizing, sensitivity to environment, masochistic behavior as you have noted Gonzalo; being in Cancer this just emphasizes the factor of needing to develop strong inner emotional security in the self; being in the 7th House just even further plays up all of the relational issues with other humans and beings you have already discussed. Then on top of all this, his retrograde Cancer Saturn is in upper quincunx to his Pluto-Mars conjunction! This Saturn Cancer rules his Mercury that is also conjunct his Venus, a Capricorn Venus that is very significant as it rules his Libra South Node and his Jupiter in his 10th, a Jupiter that rules his Pluto-Mars conjunction.

I don't want to keep going on and on with aspects people have already commented on, but there are just so many that fascinate me in this chart. To try to synthesize my view: I agree that Luciano is someone susceptible to astral influences and will be someone able to pick up all sorts of information from his environment others may miss. The key will be how he is able to process this information and then be able to  communicate it. With the Chiron signature he is obviously emotionally wounded in the past from this, with Saturn retrograde in Cancer it also plays up importance of him being wounded but getting to a place of remembering when he did have access to a lot of power for himself, this master builder idea of Rads, through being able to connect to these other realms that has also caused him past persecution. Gonzalo, you noted this child had some sort of difficult past around the age of two, not able to internalize a parent; I think this issue could be symbolized by the retrograde Cancer Saturn as well and is also part of his process of needing to find his own emotional security for himself in his relationships. I can also see how you could think this relates to the bed wetting, and Rads comments about this were really fascinating to me. On a personal note, my younger daughter had an issue with this when me and my ex-wife went through an intense divorce period; at the time I had thought it was very emotionally based, but as things stabilized and it continued some more I began seeing it connected to how deep a sleeper she is, which I also saw you noted about Luciano. Rad's comments about this are new info for me....

In any case finding this emotional security for himself will be paramount- there is the symbol of Aries North Node in the 4th as well. Connected to his sleep you also mentioned his difficulty relaxing, sounding very Capricorn with his south node jupiter and all influences there and the Mercury-Venus-ASC connection. Processing the information he will pick up could become stressful by not being around others who could help him process this- in this case it sounds like he has caring parents who are working with him on this issue. I think he has that strong 12th energy and he will need to continue being able to connect with it but he will also need to develop the strong emotional foundation to be able to fully incarnate this, in his body, 6th House PPP, be able to communicate this to others, Gemini PPP.  He needs to get to know and work with his Aquarius Neptune, in mutual receptivity with his Pisces Uranus, again in the third house, communication. This Neptune also being conjunct the north node of his Mercury, it again ties in the importance of gaining this ability to use his Neptune, his 12th House energies, in his communication, have the emotional security to be able to clearly process and discern the information he is processing without getting sidetracked by self-esteem issues or fears of not fitting in with others....the potential danger being to develop a life for himself that is more about fitting in with others (Libra South Node) than about truly daring to live his own life (Aries North Node). This is again emphasized by that retrograde Cancer Saturn in his 7th.

There is also the importance of his Capricorn Venus, the Capricorn Venus-Mercury potentially giving him this serious structural potential with this more astral or esoteric or diffuse information. The North NOde of Venus is again in Pisces, taking us back to Neptune and the 12th and the North Node of Mercury by conjunction, and this North Node of Venus squares his 12th House Mars, the ruler of his North Node. So by further developing his Venus in this direction, taking his Mars again into the 12th, he will probably run into conflict and debate with others, but by developing that strong Cancer inner emotional fortitude he will be able to handle it all.

Wow, I really gotta stop writing at this point but I could have a lot more to say about Luciano. Blessings to all of you for your work on this thread. I am eager to read and learn more about all of this.
Thank you
love
Gray

[Rad]

Hi Jason,

Wow, I too am inspired by the depth of what you shared about this boy and in the process about our human history on this planet.  God bless you Rad and thank you for your generosity in sharing this.

One area I have questions and observations about is the recurring involvement of Juno in the astrological signatures related to these chapters of this Soul’s history.  For instance, Juno itself being conjunct Neptune, the SN of Neptune, and the NN of Mercury; the NN of Juno being conjunct Pallas, Jupiter, and the NN of Pallas; and the SN of Juno being conjunct SN Pallas, Deneb, and Uranus. 

In addition when I look at cosmograms that might be related to these lifetimes, Juno stands out as well.  For example, I was excited to see that there is an obvious correlating cosmogram for the Carahunge lifetime which took place around 7500 BCE.  This time period corresponds to the Aquarian period of the Capricorn Sub-Age, and Armenia is in the Taurus zone geodetically.  Here is the cosmogram for that:

                                         Mercury
                                   (Capricorn 12th)
                                               |
                        Juno  -------------------  Uranus
                (Aquarius 2nd)                   (Pisces 3rd)

Mercury of course situates us in the Capricorn Sub-Age, and the Juno lifetime would have taken place in the Aquarius period in a fixed geodetic zone such as the Taurus zone where Armenia is located, which is further underscored by Juno’s residence in the 2nd house.  Uranus occupying the other branch of the cosmogram correlates to an evolved planetary civilization more aware of ultimate truths transmitting “blueprints” and “messages” to this individual; and of course Juno’s location in Aquarius and its natal conjunction to Neptune show a receptivity to these messages.  And Mercury of course makes perfect sense as the “carrier” of this lifetime given how it is manifesting in thoughtforms, and Mercury’s involvement in the chart, etc.

A similar cosmogram recurs relative to the life around 15000 BCE in Gobekli Tepe, this time with Pallas as the lead planet (Pallas and Mercury having identical cosmograms due to their exact square).  It is:

                                         Pallas
                                       (Libra 9th)
                                               |
                        Juno  -------------------  Uranus
                (Aquarius 2nd)                   (Pisces 3rd)

Pallas situates us in the Libra Age, and the Juno lifetime would have taken place in the Aquarius period (about 14860 BCE – I realize that is not right at 15000 but since you said “around” and the recurrence of these cosmograms is so striking relative to Pallas and Mercury, and given the multiple links of Juno and its nodes with the key planets in this story even outside the cosmograms, I am following my intuition that this is connected; Rad could you confirm or correct?

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Yes

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  I realize not all past life info is locatable in cosmograms but this really seems to “pop” for me when I look at it).  Again the Juno lifetime would have taken place in a fixed geodetic zone such as the Taurus zone where Gobekli Tepe is located, again further underscored by Juno’s residence in the 2nd house; and again, the Uranus in Pisces 3rd across from Juno on the cosmogram speaks clearly to the download of messages and the receptivity of the Soul to that information.  And Pallas makes perfect sense as the “carrier” given that it is about “thought seeding” and given Pallas’s involvement in the chart and the dynamics we’ve already discussed. 

Finally, another Juno emphasis is the fact that Juno itself has no cosmogram (and it is the only body among the planets, 4 goddess asteroids, and Chiron which does not), which can mean that a Soul is processing the entire collective experience of an archetype, in this case the archetype of Juno.

Taking all of this together, it is interesting to consider that of the two Juno lifetimes described above, Gobekli Tepe occurs in the Age of Libra (equality), and Carahunge occurs right at the beginning of the patriarchy (Capricorn Sub-Age).  This would seem to say that these experiences, so central to the Soul and so similar, were also very different: in Gobekli Tepe the context was that Juno could be expressed in its undistorted form as natural commitment, integrity, partnership, and co-leadership.  Whether the Soul was female or male, it was part of one of those natural but uncommon (in those times) dyadic partnerships, and that dyad co-led the groups it was a part of.  This would actually be an excellent example of a reason why monogamy would have, in occasional cases, been natural and made sense – these kinds of tuned-in Souls needing to fortify and connect together – even though the general rule in natural times was non-monogamy for reasons that have been covered elsewhere.  (Rad, a question here: would a Juno lifetime in general tend to be a female lifetime, or simply a lifetime in which partnership was central/basic to the Soul, in a distorted or undistorted way according to other factors?  For example, I found myself initially assuming this lifetime as female because of Juno, but that intuitively didn’t “land” and I could equally see this Soul as having been male but in an equal partnership dynamic – my question being what gender was the Soul in this lifetime as well as the general question about “Juno” lifetimes).  Ultimately, it then would make sense that this lifetime is “carried” by Pallas, in the 9th house, openly female spiritual leadership based on received messages.   

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In that lifetime he was male. Juno in non gender specific. It's archetype can manifest with males and females equally.

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Whereas, the Carahunge lifetime took place right at the beginnings of the patriarchy, and tellingly, that lifetime is carried by Mercury, in the 12th, secret knowledge/messages.  By this time, powerful Juno figures are being pushed “behind the scenes” in some way, or be the mere “wives” and “partners” of leaders in order to have influence themselves.  Thus it is imaginable that this lifetime was either spent in that way, a female “power behind” the male, or, that it might have been that the Soul was a co-leader, male or female, of a comparatively alientated group who were in rebellion to patriarchy and staying with the old natural matriarchal ways (Juno being in Aquarius).  Rad, are these suggestions on track? 

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No. The transition between natural/ matriarchal times to the patriarchal times took roughly 1000 years. This began around 6500 B.C.E until 5500 B.C.E. The transition had three stages. In the beginning men formed relationships to women of power so as to begin the process of having that power, the natural stations within natural living, which then lead to both the man and the women having this power equally, which then lead to men utterly subordinating women.

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In either case, it seems that this Soul knows both sides of the Juno experience.  And thus also, that this Soul is playing some kind of role in rehabilitation of the Juno archetype – now as we return to the Age of Aquarius (also the sign in which his Juno is located)? 

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Yes.

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Another question I have relative to the boy’s experience of the “worms” – you have mentioned that these are the boy’s best way, given his age, to name the electrical thought impulses that he had received in previous lifetimes.  How does this work, meaning are “traces” of these electrical impulses/messages themselves still carried in his etheric body, or are there just memories about having been experienced those impulses/messages?  If the former, is there any reason these might be being activated at this time?   Or is this just part of growing up and reliving some of these dynamics (SN conjunct Jupiter/Pallas NN, which is also conjunct Pallas)? 

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These memories reside within his Soul of course and radiate out to his entire being which includes the etheric body. When this thought transference's originally occurred from these beings in the ways that I mentioned before manifests as this imagery within his dreams now. The reason for these memories will have everything to do with the nature of his work, the nature of who he is in general, and how this affects/ impacts on others.

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Another question I have is about our earlier analysis.  You had indicated that Gonzalo and I rendered basically valid analyses of the dynamics of (vs. the concrete manifestations of) the symbols, but I wanted specifically to check whether my analysis about the grand trine of Jupiter/Pallas/SN Pallas with Neptune/SN Neptune and Lucifer Gemini is correct – that it could indicate less beneficial / darker thought seeding coming from the astral world.  Is this a correct way to make use of Lucifer in the chart? 

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Yes

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 In addition, even given the history we have learned through you, is it still the case that this boy may also have had history with such darker experiences from the astral world?

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Yes

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  Certainly his chart suggests he might be more vulnerable than others.  Or, would we assume that his evolutionary state is sufficiently advanced such that he would be basically able to “screen out” that kind of intrusion? 

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No

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 Would the conjunction of asteroid Pandora with Neptune/SN Neptune/Juno and its participation in that grand trine with Pallas and Lucifer also support the view of the Soul’s opening up too much, perhaps trying to restore its connection with the Cygnians and Pleiadeans but in the process getting into other kinds of involvements? 

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No. The causative factor of his Soul's susceptibility to evil and it's agents has occurred through negative emotional spirals caused by being disillusioned in a variety of ways, and by personal doubt of his capacities and abilities.

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Also, given what we do know about the Soul’s history from you, could that Lucifer/Pallas/Neptune grand trine could be looked at in a positive light as bringing “messages of light” from an advanced civilization (Lucifer in Gemini, conjunct Uranus NN), and in some sense as discipleship/apprenticeship to that light (6th house)?   This seems an exciting possibility yet my experience looking at the positives or evolutionary intentions of Lucifer placements is limited. 

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The message of light will emanate from God and it's agents through him in a variety of life situations that will include the nature of his work.

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Finally, another placement I note is that asteroid Cassandra is conjunct to Saturn and part of the skipped steps signature in this chart, square the nodes and opposite Chiron.  To me this would suggest that in lifetimes after the ones you told us about, this Soul might have tried to communicate information like that which it communicated successfully in those lifetimes, but not been believed or somehow been discredited – and that this wound may have a great deal to do with why it has stalled itself evolutionarily with the skipped steps.  Does this make sense?  Perhaps that discrediting may even be linked to the Pandora/Lucifer “imitations” that the Soul might have gotten distracted by in later lifetimes?   

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In those lives the information he received and communicated to others was in fact received exactly as intended: total acceptance in such a way it transformed the existing evolutionary condition of those affected. In other lifetimes he has knowledge of various realities in all kinds of ways that was not listened too by others: the 7th House Cassandra. This then lead to negative emotional cycles of disillusionment and futility.  In turn this caused him to want to completely withdraw from all human beings to the extent that was possible.

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God Bless, Rad

[jasonholley]

Hi Rad,

Thank you for the answers to my questions.  It was very exciting for me to see the cosmograms at work again!  One question I have is about the significance of Juno, as an archetype in and of itself, in those two cosmograms -- does it mean that this Soul was in some kind of committed dyadic relationships as I mentioned, which would have been unique (Aquarius) for that time?  Could the recurrence of the cosmogram be a suggestion that the Soul was in relationship with the same Other in both of these lifetimes far across time (i.e. a VERY long-term commitment)?  Are there other meanings regarding Juno that could be inferred here -- such as the fact that pre-distortion Juno seemed to be more about the Great Mother and therefore may have to do with the Soul's deep interaction with Gaia?  Or is Juno in this situation simply a placeholder (i.e. the sole point of it being that it is in Aquarius, conjunct Neptune, and in the 2nd house: building/establishing electrically-received consciousness-oriented structures). 

Also, you wrote in response to my material on the beginnings of patriarchy:

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The transition between natural/ matriarchal times to the patriarchal times took roughly 1000 years. This began around 6500 B.C.E until 5500 B.C.E. The transition had three stages. In the beginning men formed relationships to women of power so as to begin the process of having that power, the natural stations within natural living, which then lead to both the man and the women having this power equally, which then lead to men utterly subordinating women.

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I note that this period is the first half of the Gemini Age but I remember that the introduction of patriarchal distortion has been named in other discussions as the Capricorn Sub-Age of the Cancer Age.  Does this then mean that it was simply men's realization of their role in procreation that took place in the Capricorn Sub-Age (and perhaps some distortions and repressions that began with it), and then that the "operationalization" of patriarchy that you have laid out above during the first half of the Gemini Age?

Rad, thank you again.

God bless,
Jason

[Rad]

Hi Jason,

Thank you for the answers to my questions.  It was very exciting for me to see the cosmograms at work again!  One question I have is about the significance of Juno, as an archetype in and of itself, in those two cosmograms -- does it mean that this Soul was in some kind of committed dyadic relationships as I mentioned, which would have been unique (Aquarius) for that time?  Could the recurrence of the cosmogram be a suggestion that the Soul was in relationship with the same Other in both of these lifetimes far across time (i.e. a VERY long-term commitment)?  Are there other meanings regarding Juno that could be inferred here -- such as the fact that pre-distortion Juno seemed to be more about the Great Mother and therefore may have to do with the Soul's deep interaction with Gaia?  Or is Juno in this situation simply a placeholder (i.e. the sole point of it being that it is in Aquarius, conjunct Neptune, and in the 2nd house: building/establishing electrically-received consciousness-oriented structures). 

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This Soul, in those lives, had a committed relationship, a dyadic relationship, with one other in both of those lives, and the Soul of that other was the same in each. He also had a relationship with the entire community of those times, S.Node of Juno conjunct his natal Uranus, in which the knowledge transmitted into him was then shared with all within those communities. Within this he had a dyadic relationship with some others who were also receiving this transmitted information. This group within the larger group then had a dyadic relationship with the entire community. Beyond the relationship with the space beings he also had a consciousness that was unified with Gaia, the totality of Nature. And, thus, relationships with a variety of 'devas' of spirits within Nature that could inhabit a variety of life forms within it. This spirits or devas were also his teachers as to the nature of Creation itself.

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Also, you wrote in response to my material on the beginnings of patriarchy:

"The transition between natural/ matriarchal times to the patriarchal times took roughly 1000 years. This began around 6500 B.C.E until 5500 B.C.E. The transition had three stages. In the beginning men formed relationships to women of power so as to begin the process of having that power, the natural stations within natural living, which then lead to both the man and the women having this power equally, which then lead to men utterly subordinating women." 

I note that this period is the first half of the Gemini Age but I remember that the introduction of patriarchal distortion has been named in other discussions as the Capricorn Sub-Age of the Cancer Age.  Does this then mean that it was simply men's realization of their role in procreation that took place in the Capricorn Sub-Age (and perhaps some distortions and repressions that began with it), and then that the "operationalization" of patriarchy that you have laid out above during the first half of the Gemini Age?

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Yes, because this new 'information' of course spread over a period of time to all humans: Gemini. And as this information spread over time this then became the very basis of creating or generating new 'beliefs' about the nature of things. Which of course lead a variety of 'beliefs' that had nothing to do with the actual nature of Creation, of beliefs that had nothing to do with Natural Laws. The root of all this, within men, was to create new beliefs so that rationalizations could then be generated to justify their progressive dominance of women specifically, and the progressive distancing from the Natural Law of giving, sharing, and inclusion generally.

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God Bless, Rad

[Gonzalo]

Hi Gray,  

Ok sorry to ramble but I do have some things to comment on regarding Mercury and Luciano. Gonzalo and Jason have already elaborated on the EA dynamics in this chart, I realize, but to me if I had to single out one factor involved with Luciano's Mercury it would be the interplay between his emotions, emotional sense of self, and the resulting impact on his ability to perceive and communicate information. Gonzalo, I believe it is a true gift for Luciano to grow up with parents who have not made an attempt to make him think he is crazy for having these thoughts.  One major clue to me that he must return in some way at least to dealing with these thought forms is the simple fact his North Node ruler Mars takes him back to the 12th House in balsamic conjunction to Pluto, also conjunct the South Nodes of his Mars and Uranus.
A major symbol in his chart to me is that Saturn is Retrograde, Saturn is in Cancer, and Saturn is in the 7th House as the skipped step squaring his nodal axis and in opposition to his Chiron-Sun conjunction in Capricorn in his 1st House.  Saturn being Retrograde alone would bring up potential issues of emotional security, sense of self, internalizing, sensitivity to environment, masochistic behavior as you have noted Gonzalo; being in Cancer this just emphasizes the factor of needing to develop strong inner emotional security in the self; being in the 7th House just even further plays up all of the relational issues with other humans and beings you have already discussed. Then on top of all this, his retrograde Cancer Saturn is in upper quincunx to his Pluto-Mars conjunction! This Saturn Cancer rules his Mercury that is also conjunct his Venus, a Capricorn Venus that is very significant as it rules his Libra South Node and his Jupiter in his 10th, a Jupiter that rules his Pluto-Mars conjunction.
I don't want to keep going on and on with aspects people have already commented on, but there are just so many that fascinate me in this chart. To try to synthesize my view: I agree that Luciano is someone susceptible to astral influences and will be someone able to pick up all sorts of information from his environment others may miss. The key will be how he is able to process this information and then be able to communicate it. With the Chiron signature he is obviously emotionally wounded in the past from this, with Saturn retrograde in Cancer it also plays up importance of him being wounded but getting to a place of remembering when he did have access to a lot of power for himself, this master builder idea of Rads, through being able to connect to these other realms that has also caused him past persecution. Gonzalo, you noted this child had some sort of difficult past around the age of two, not able to internalize a parent; I think this issue could be symbolized by the retrograde Cancer Saturn as well and is also part of his process of needing to find his own emotional security for himself in his relationships.

Thank you so much Gray for all what you wrote… I am feeling with this birthchart that each symbol has many more levels than I am able to see … so, my comments refer basically just to what I can see in these EA archetypes ..

God Bless,

Gonzalo

Yes … well, to me all in the boy’s birthchart relates to finding inner security,  with North Node being in the 4th House, and the Saturn skipped steps in Cancer. I wouldn’t like to talk in much detail about the kid’s personal life … but I can say that he experienced at his 11 months the death of a sister when she was at her 8th month of gestation. This occurred just in a time when the boy was learning to speak – Mercury … Uranus in the 3rd House, in Pisces … the death of the sister occurred because of an adn (Pluto) condition of the baby which created a 10 centimeters segment of the umbilical cord uniting the baby with the placenta which didn’t have enough ‘wharton jelly’ … and at some point of the gestation of the baby, it seems that she chose not to be born, and moved in ways within the womb that created a flex or a twist in those 10 cms of the umbilical cord, which interrupted the necessary flow of blood to he baby … the boy was with the mother when the mother began manifesting ‘labor’ … so, the boy stayed at home when the mother departed to the hospital expecting her mother would come back later with the baby …  who of course at the moment of the labor was already in other plane (Mercury in the 12th House, in Capricorn) … I feel it is important to say that some months later the dog died too… and it also occurred because of an adn condition of the dog which was even more rare, which created a limitation in the skin growth at a time when the dog was already growing …  a condition which was triggered because an alienated neighbor poured some liters of hydrochloric acid outside the door of the apartment’s where the kid lived with the family … but the dog went out first and was severely injured or burned by the acid on his skin, which upon some weeks revealed as wounds that would not heal because of that genetic condition. So, the dog had to undergo euthanasia. Some months later, the boy received a three sessions psychotherapy, because was manifesting ‘sleep terrors’. It is interesting to note, in relation to the kid’s Mercury, that the psychotherapist described the process as helping the boy make a ‘clearer difference between things that are here, and things which are not here’ (Mercury in the 12th House Capricorn), which he needed to apply to the situation of the sister … the emotional basis being unresolved emotions originating in the sister’s death … which were at same time needing some form of clarification (Mercury), because, at some level, the boy still expected the sister would arrive home. Thus, there existed a cognitive error which was associated with the way emotions were not being totally processed (Note: the kid had indeed manifested emotional pain and suffering, but it seems he still wasn’t fully aware that the sister’s non-arrival was quite definite).

Upon coming back home after the second session with the psychotherapist at some point the boy made the connection and said ‘is it not true that my sister is not coming?’ … which was followed by a catharsis in which the unresolved emotions manifested.  

About one year later, some people who were very close to the boy decided to intervene and separate the family: mother, son, father. They were not able to separate the family in any minute, and lost all their lawsuits against father and mother, who also sorted all the court’s appointed consensus ‘evaluations’ of ‘parental ability’. By these means these people totally separated themselves from the kid, and mother, and thus, the kid experienced another quite intense loss of relationships. Recently, kid recovered relationship with these people (they are consensus Souls’, with one of them showing a principle of individuation) … this has occurred very naturally … and manifesting some degree of evolution–recreation leading to resolution- in that Soul … When this crisis occurred Luciano of course was affected and missed these people. He felt insecurity because the family was in a state of shock. He was about to give up diapers, and had to use them again, etc. … He was given clear and simple explanations and answers about what was happening. The relationship with both parents was very close and at this time it was also full-time with both parents at home, including living for near three years with the parents in the desert, a place he liked much, where a sister was born.

I can also see how you could think this relates to the bed wetting, and Rads comments about this were really fascinating to me. On a personal note, my younger daughter had an issue with this when me and my ex-wife went through an intense divorce period; at the time I had thought it was very emotionally based, but as things stabilized and it continued some more I began seeing it connected to how deep a sleeper she is, which I also saw you noted about Luciano. Rad's comments about this are new info for me....
In any case finding this emotional security for himself will be paramount- there is the symbol of Aries North Node in the 4th as well. Connected to his sleep you also mentioned his difficulty relaxing, sounding very Capricorn with his south node jupiter and all influences there and the Mercury-Venus-ASC connection. Processing the information he will pick up could become stressful by not being around others who could help him process this- in this case it sounds like he has caring parents who are working with him on this issue. I think he has that strong 12th energy and he will need to continue being able to connect with it but he will also need to develop the strong emotional foundation to be able to fully incarnate this, in his body, 6th House PPP, be able to communicate this to others, Gemini PPP.  He needs to get to know and work with his Aquarius Neptune, in mutual receptivity with his Pisces Uranus, again in the third house, communication. This Neptune also being conjunct the north node of his Mercury, it again ties in the importance of gaining this ability to use his Neptune, his 12th House energies, in his communication, have the emotional security to be able to clearly process and discern the information he is processing without getting sidetracked by self-esteem issues or fears of not fitting in with others....the potential danger being to develop a life for himself that is more about fitting in with others (Libra South Node) than about truly daring to live his own life (Aries North Node). This is again emphasized by that retrograde Cancer Saturn in his 7th.

Yes, there is an evolutionary need and intention to develop a fundamental independence (North Node in Aries, 4th House)… and in fact, with the South Node in the 10th House, in Libra, and the planetary ruler Venus in the 12th House, Capricorn, he manifested some behaviors in which he felt sad and quite heavy burdened at moments either longing for loved ones-friends, cousins, extended family- or whenever some other boy didn’t want to play with him … also, an intense excitement-almost frantic-when having the occasion to play with other kids, in which he overwhelms some other kids with his proposals and instructions about the game they now find themselves playing, even when they have not been able to process all the information at all …. within the games, he displays many unresolved issues about leadership, following and being followed, trust, bretrayal, ultimate ideals, betrayal of the ideal … the recovery of friendship or brotherhood, the understanding of error … thus creating dynamics in his games which are quite intense, and in which many times he ends alone, because not all children are prepared for such intensity … other times, of course, he seeks withdrawal from interaction and wants to be by himself … and he is progressively becoming aware, that being alone, or just being home, is also a good thing, that there is a reason why he needs to be in contact with himself and the ones who are closer to him … and indeed most of the time he likes a lot being at his home …

There is also the importance of his Capricorn Venus, the Capricorn Venus-Mercury potentially giving him this serious structural potential with this more astral or esoteric or diffuse information. The North NOde of Venus is again in Pisces, taking us back to Neptune and the 12th and the North Node of Mercury by conjunction, and this North Node of Venus squares his 12th House Mars, the ruler of his North Node.
So by further developing his Venus in this direction, taking his Mars again into the 12th, he will probably run into conflict and debate with others, but by developing that strong Cancer inner emotional fortitude he will be able to handle it all.

To me, that could be a manifestation of these symbols in the past lives because of the Saturn skipped steps, where the kid’s Soul insecurity and the general confusion about himself seeking identification through the social, manifested in conflicts with larger forces of this nature …

Resolution of the Saturn skipped steps would allow him to experience a shift in the center of gravity of his consciousness creating an independent new self-image … the North Node ruler being Balsamic conjunct Pluto, implies the need to relive circumstances of the past in order to make new choices … I feel this could manifest in other levels, as it has already manifested, because the potential emotional integration that I think is occurring in the kid’s Soul would, hopefully prevent him from having to get exposed to social persecution … ie. he is definitely becoming more private … thus, the North Node of Venus being in the 3rd Hose, Pisces, ruled by Neptune conjunct the North Node of Mercury in Aquarius, 2nd House, could manifest as the specific forms of information that the Soul will orient itself to obtain concerning the nature of all things, and that will need to obtain mostly from within, or from “God or its agents” (Pisces), as Rad said, and which will progressively become more clear to the boy because  of the overall shift of the past orientation –in which the Ultimate has been linked with the outside-will also induce a necessary evolution of the patterns of self-relatedness, and then relatedness to others, in which he is creating new thoughts associations for the nature of overall reality, in which he would also be recovering memories containing knowledge from the past (North Node of Venus conjunct the South Node of Pallas). Rad referred to past lifetimes in which the kid’s Soul chose to withdraw from all possible human interaction …  if I am not wrong, this is also reflected in the South Node in the 10th House Libra, and the planetary ruler Venus being in the 12th House …. and at same time, the North Node in the 4th House Aries, with its ruler in the 12th House, conjunct the 12th House Pluto … here, to me, the North Node of Venus being Crescent phase square to Mars also reflects the inner stress and fear of failure that the Soul feels in connection with the new patterns of relatedness that have been preparing to manifest  or that have existed in the past and are being recovered from within (North Node of Venus conjunct South Node of Pallas, both ruled by Neptune in Aquarius in the 2nd House, conjunct the North Node of Mercury … the North Node of Venus being crescent square to Mars)… we know that many, many experiences of disillusionment have existed in the Soul’s past, in personal and social relationships … and that the Soul needs to relate the nature of the experiences it creates for itself to the nature of its own desires (Mars in the 12th House, Mars Balsamic conjunct Pluto) … given that the Mars / Venus North Node aspect occurs within the Crescent phase, he is not yet required to define and manifest specific patterns of relatedness, but to internalize within in order to evaluate and linearly understand the past relatedness patterns, and how they have reflected the Soul’s desires …

[Gonzalo]

Hi Patricia …

Thank you for your comments and the information provided … I can note that the boy is indeed very familiar with the use of mudras …

Also, I can comment that the nature of cosmic rays includes subatomic particles which seem independent of time/space, ie. particles that are in different places at same time … so perhaps modern science may be pointing to the same phenomenon of conscious transmission of information …

God Bless,

Gonzalo

[Gonzalo]

Hi Jason, and Rad …

Thank you so much for your posts. Jason, thank you so much for the cosmograms you brought in to this discussion, and their intuitive analysis. I am fascinated with the use of the cosmograms and all what they are capable to reveal.

                              Mercury
                                   (Capricorn 12th)
                                               |
                        Juno  -------------------  Uranus
                (Aquarius 2nd)                   (Pisces 3rd)


Mercury of course situates us in the Capricorn Sub-Age, and the Juno lifetime would have taken place in the Aquarius period in a fixed geodetic zone such as the Taurus zone where Armenia is located…

I thought all the lifetimes reflected in a specific cosmogram always took place within the geodetic zone indicated by the planet at the top of the cosmogram, ie. all the lifetimes in the quoted Mercury cosmogram taking place in a Cardinal (Capricorn) zone or in a Mutable (12th House) zone … I now see I was missing that each branch can correlate to its own geodetic zone, in this case, Juno correlating to a fixed zone  … ¿is my understanding right?

Hope to post further comments and analysis hopefully during the day, but wanted to let know that I am reading, re-reading and processing what has been shared in this thread, and all the incredible information Rad has provided ...

Thank you so much ....

Love,

God Bless,

Gonzalo