I thought I would post in this new thread the three previous EA analysis's of Gaga's chart by Gonzalo, Kristin, and Jason. Gonzalo has already added to his analysis which is just above this post. I am waiting for the others to post, Mirta, Linda, and Gray before I post my comments about the analysis's of those participating in this thread. If there are any new people who wish to participate in this thread kindly let me know. God Bless, Rad
Lady Gaga - A Revolutionary Radical and a Refreshing Role Model.
3rd stage Individuated
Pluto 11th in Scorpio
South Node in Scorpio
Planetary ruler is Pluto conjunct the South Node in the 11th
PPP in the 5th in Taurus
North Node in Taurus
Planetary Ruler is Venus in Aries conjunct the North Node in the 5th
Gaga reflects a Soul who has come into this life with a history of lifetimes being intensely persecuted and harshly judged for being different. She traveled on the fringes of society forever pushing the limits of societal norms, totally rebelling against the consensus and anything that got in the way of her individual expression. As a result she carries into this life massive unresolved emotional trauma from the patriarchal power pushers that felt threatened by her intense eccentricity and who ultimately had their way with her.
With Pluto in Scorpio in the 11th conjunct the South Node in the 11th, she has had the desire to transform her own personal limitations by forming relationships with anything that she needed in order to grow and evolve. Gaga undoubtedly led tribes and perhaps nations in many cases had the power to lead movements that influenced countless Souls not only locally but throughout the world. Her very power lies in the fact that she is different. Her sense of powerlessness in part comes for all that she is not or has yet to experience. People have been struck by her, hypnotized by her and transformed by her power and her leadership. Inevitably it is the people that never understood her and ultimately those who did not accept her or felt overly challenged by her which led to her demise. Pluto in Scorpio conjunct South Node is Scorpio also suggests having power and then losing it, being stripped of it and 'taken out of the game’ so to speak, so the interplay between power and powerlessness occurs in this way too. Pluto/Scorpio is to confront so her inherent nature is the need to experience emotional, intellectual, physical and spiritual confrontations in order to facilitate her own ongoing personal evolution, to take things over and beyond where she has been and to also have a transformative effect not only personally but on the masses, Pluto in Scorpio conjunct the South Node trine Jupiter in the 3rd in Pisces. She has been working for lifetimes to regain her power and recover her unique influence over others as this has been underway prior to this life and appears to have finally manifested, this lifetime represents a life finally of FRUITION. Pluto conjunct the South Node New phase and the ruler of her North Node Venus is in Aries and conjuncts the North Node., reflecting a culmination and a new beginning all in one life. In order to heal the past, Moon in Scorpio in the 12th, she needs to act it out on the world stage. This is reflected in the Moon in the 12th as well as Venus in Aries, ruler of the North Node in Taurus conjunct the North Node in the 5th. Her natal Moon by house sign/aspects represents the Soul ego/identity she chose in this life in order to act out her Soul’s evolutionary intentions. This healing has been coming to a head in a few recent lifetimes noted in Moon in the 12th in Scorpio, ruler Pluto in Scorpio conjunct the South Node as well as Mars, lead point in her evolution, in Capricorn conjunct the South Node of Mars, conjunct Neptune, healing the patriarchal persecution. These are also classic burned at the stake signatures, burned for being a powerful threat to mainstream society, but also for being labeled ‘crazy’. Also lifetimes where she was ‘locked up’ for it, Moon in the 12th, ruler Pluto on the South Node, similar to the themes associated with Joan of Arc. Which is interesting considering Gaga went to private all girls Roman Catholic school growing up in NYC. Her given last name is Germanotta, an Italian father, her chart reflecting lifetimes in Italy through geodedics seen with Sun in Aries in the 4th, squaring ruler Mars in Cap in the 1st house, a clear symbol for where some of those harsh persecutions occurred. One of her latest hits EDGE of GLORY also reflects this theme of fruition. Edge being her Pluto on the South Node in Scorpio but also the edge of glory reflected in the Venus on the North Node in the 5th house.
It is not just about her music and her message, she is a performance artist, Venus, ruler of the North Node, conjunct her North Node it is about the total show which includes all of her unusual limit pushing ‘fashion’ that inevitably creates a shock of awe to viewers. She wants to be a living work of art on and off the stage. There is nothing that she ever put on her body that she didn’t know where it came from, the reference of it and who inspired it. There is always a concept or a story she is telling. Jupiter in Pisces in the 3rd trines her South Node and Pluto. She is and always has been a master storyteller of blunt and bold honesty through imagery and lyrics that offer powerful healing . Sher says that people take her way too seriously yet not seriously enough. Planetary ruler of her North Node is Venus in Aries, trines ruler Mars in Cap/Neptune square Sun in Aries in the 4th, ruler Mars in cap conjunct Neptune in Cap.
Gaga performed the recent hit “Hair” where she appears bald, wearing a scull cap, while she plays, her wig on top of the piano - the last line of the song is “I’ve had enough, this is my prayer, I’ll die just as free as my hair”. This reflects her fight to the finish the lifetimes working toward her Soul recovery to express with freedom who she is and her mission to be a messenger, a voice of encouragement and support for all who feel different in the world, Pluto in Scorpio on the South Node, Saturn is hair. Planetary ruler of the North Node in Taurus is Venus in Aries, conjunct that North Node, the ruler Mars is in Capricorn, free as the hair on her head.
Her latest cd and one of the hits is called BORN THIS WAY which is her message to all who feel different,that God made you this way, to love yourself and to have no regret. She also has special message for the gays with her play on words.
Don't be a drag, just be a queen
Don't be a drag, just be a queen
Don't be a drag, just be a queen
At one of her first big national award shows she exited saying "Bless God and bless the gays"!
One of her biggest wounds is directly linked to her sexuality. Apparently there was a rumor that she was a hermaphrodite which she later denied. She is an androgynous Soul, bisexual by nature.
Rumors in astrology is Gemini. Hermaphrodite is linked with Libra/7th house. Gaga’s Chiron is in Gemini in the 7th, the ruler Mercury is in Pisces in the 3rd (duality) and the ruler of her Mercury is Neptune in Capricorn conjuncts Mars as well as her South Node of Mars, reflecting the wound around being a hermaphrodite in another life. This is stated further with Sun in the 4th, ruler Mars in Capricorn conjunct South node of Mars in Capricorn conjunct Neptune in Cap, ruler Saturn, opposing Chiron in Gemini.
Nobody really knew of her and within two years she becomes a world phenom, Pluto polarity point is in the 5th in Taurus conjunct the North Node, planetary ruler is also conjunct the North Node in the 5th but in Aries, a world leader to shock the mainstream, Venus trines her Mars in Capricorn/Neptune. Her success kicked in right at her Jupiter return. Jupiter is in Pisces in the 3rd and trines her Pluto and South Node, thereby sextiling her Venus and North Node. Her success is not only due to her spell-binding (Scorpio) innovation (11th house), it is in her message to the masses that creates universal shock waves, a ripple effect cross culturally, across continents, on behalf all the other Souls who feel different. She speaks for them and she leads the way dreaming and scheming up more ways to be different than anyone else can think of, which offers a sort of comfort zone for all those wounded souls who follow her. Her massive FAME is seen with the Pluto Polarity point being in the 5th conjunct the North Node as well as the planetary ruler. The planetary ruler Venus is in Aries and trines its ruler Mars/Neptune. This fame also seen with her 12th house Moon in Scorpio and ruler Pluto conjunct the South Node.
Gaga empowers her fans whether she is speaking to them or singing to them. She says, “Tonight I want you to let go of all of your insecurities, Sun in Aries in the 4th squaring Mars in Cap/Neptune in Cap, also her Moon in the 12th, I want you to reject anyone or anything that made you feel like you don’t belong. Free yourself tonight!” Planetary ruler of her North Node is Venus in Aries, and this trines the ruler Mars conjunct Neptune.
WOW! I’m Sold.
In close she said in an interview when challenged with various questions, she said. “The only problem with artists is that they lie. I never lie.” Jupiter in Pisces in the 3rd trines her South Node and Pluto in Scorpio. She said, her fans know exactly who she is and even though she gives her all to them, her philosophy which is linked with her Jupiter in Pisces in the 3rd trine Pluto in Scorpio on the South Node in Scorpio is to:
Maintain a SOULFULNESS (Pluto on the South Node) which she has yet to give away (Venus on the North Node).
She is still holding a few sacred cards close to her chest Scorpio style and the world is waiting with anticipation for her next creatively inventive move!
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Hi group …
I would like to share some thoughts about the evolutionary axis in general…
Along many lifetimes she has rebelled against the external impositions of values by those in power. She has faced intense experiences in which she has confronted the values, beliefs and lifestyles of larger groups, which have tried to control, dominate, or totally eliminate the groups of which she has been part in many lifetimes. Some of the groups have been nomadic peoples, hunter-gatherers, bands such as gypsies, or sedentary people who were tried to dominate and/or assimilate by other people through war, etc. or to ethnic or cultural minorities within existing societies, and also communities of rural life, natural life, which sustained themselves through agriculture. All of these groups had their own defined values and belief systems which were the basis of a strong sense of identity, ie. where quite evolved or developed or naturally attuned belief systems, which were essential for the groups as connected to collective symbols, rituals and practices, which were intended to ensure survival (Pluto 11th House Scorpio, South Node of Pluto in the 2nd House, the planetary ruler, Saturn, in the 1st House Sagittarius). These symbols and rituals of collective nature, defining the sense of identity, and the cultural strength of these peoples and groups, have been of course different than the beliefs, rituals, etc., of the dominating groups. These dominating groups have tried to convert these minorities by the force: convert or die. Some of these groups have been pagans in the context of Christian religions, persecuted as witches, other have been Christian groups of common life, which were persecuted as heretics. Her Soul has resisted any external imposition many times through direct confrontation and opposition. I would say she has died many times, including being burn alive as a witch (North Node in Taurus, 5th House, ruler Venus in the 5th House, Aries, trine Neptune/Mars in the 1st House Capricorn). Other times in face of the overwhelming larger powers of collective nature she has developed the capacity to stay deeply focused within herself, in contact with in her sense of identity and symbols, knowing who she. The belief systems and the cultural and religious symbols of transformation have been quite evolved and aligned with what is natural, and her Soul has gained the capacity to sustain from within her own sense of who she is. This has served her Soul to maintain a sense of relative security within herself, in which the external pressure to conform or convert has not created a sense of doubt in the identity, and further, in which she is in contact with the inner dimensions of whatever situation in which she continues to be free. She has been subject to the collective projections of the dominant rights and wrongs, being stigmatized through the projection of the compulsive fears of these dominant peoples, connected to things that are natural: love, sex, emotions, the body, other relationship patterns, etc. Many culturally conditioned associations of evil have been projected on her. She has lived in the context of societies in which she has been perceived as evil, dangerous, etc., thus, a totally distorted image of who she is. She has been perpetually liberating herself from these projections, either simply knowing from within who and how she really is, knowing that she is different from what is being projected on her or her group, and she has also used, with other Souls belonging to her minor groups, the nature of the projections as a form of identity, and protection. These have been societies in which existed a “relative” tolerance for these minorities, and in which they maintain a limited space in which they were free to continue with their own rituals and practices, even though being perceived as strange or different, and their cultural symbols feared to some degree by the consensus. These symbols, their meanings-belief systems, the nature of their value associations, etc. have been maintained by these groups in secrecy, and thus, they have assumed not being understood by the larger societies they have been in contact with, being feared by them, etc. Thus, on one hand, the nature of the metamorphic symbols has been evolving through a series of experiences in which she has been pulled into herself by collective traumas including these types of persecution, in which she has been identifying herself, her Soul, as her own metamorphic symbol. On the other hand, she has been maintaining the identity symbols through identifying with the cultural symbols of her groups in new ways, through the evolving understanding she has been gaining about the nature of life itself, and the deeper meanings of the symbols which have been revealed though her own inner relationship with these symbols, and the expansion of her consciousness and her philosophical, cosmological, metaphysical and spiritual understanding of herself and life in general. Maintaining the relationship with the symbols has manifested her natural rebelliousness, her affirmation of the right to do so, the deep relationship with the symbols themselves, and the meaning and value given to the symbol by her and others of her group. Within the context of larger groups in which she has been perceived in distorted ways, and her symbols have been anathema, she has identified with the symbols even as being anathematic or heretical or sacrilegious, through deepening the connection with the symbols themselves, and further, through incorporating the ‘differentness’ within the symbols. Like saying “ok, this is normal and good for me, even though they perceive it as strange and evil, so, I will affirm my right to sustain that which looks like strange and evil to them in these symbols …”. Thus, the 'differentness' is incorporated in the symbols, and the symbols themselves are given a new use, which is an ever deeper reflection of herself, through an ever deeper relationship with her own Soul. The nature of the symbols themselves have been transmuted and alchemized, and the relationship with the symbols is totally magic, because they become significant in the same process through which they lose any meaning: at this point they don’t mean nothing in themselves for Gaga, because she has identified her own Soul as the symbol. However, through the contrast between the meaning they have had for her in her Soul’s story, and the cumulated story of the collective projections on these same symbols, she uses the same symbols to demonstrate that they mean nothing, and that she is totally natural and innocent, despite associating with whatever symbol. I would say that she is very much in a fruition state (Pluto conjunct South Node) in which needs to serve as an icon and a social phenomenon to motivate others to assume and manifest who they naturally are, being because of this state of fruition somehow bound by a need to represent collective identity associations and symbols belonging to several minorities, in order to serve for the identifications and projections of those she is motivating and leading in this way to liberate. In general, the evolutionary future of her Soul points to independent self-realization and spiritual realization, beyond having to mean something to others.
A question from Kristin..
Yes, thanks Rad for offering to do the EA paradigm using famous peoples charts. I do find it to be a way to work with the paradigm that serves to develop a greater understanding of the process and the work, to share this journey with others, especially if everyone participating has access to the information about the famous person in question.
I also did not know much about Gaga, with the exception of listening to my ten year old daughter blasting some of her music in the house, while dancing and singing Poker Face at the top of her lungs. I have a new found respect for Gaga and am fascinated that her music appeals not only cross continents but cross generations.
I am sorry to see things drop off here but perhaps a bit of summer has something to do with it.
The one area I did not develop or explore too much, as I was focusing so much on her past and present life, is where this is all headed evolutionarily speaking for her. How does she evolve in her own unique way. What does that look like as she enters the spiritual state? I CAN ONLY IMAGINE.....
She is so famous for surprises..perhaps only God knows how that will manifest but Rad could you shed some light on this question??? I know she will always have a role in reaching many, it is simply how she is wired. She sure would have a powerful voice to remind people of the NATURAL GOD/DESS! And I am pretty sure she will have a role in bringing the Goddess back to the modern world but any thoughts you could offer Rad would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks too Gonzalo for your post. It certainly added depth and color to her story for me.
Additional comments by Gonzalo......
"This is the manifesto of mother monster...
On Goat, a goverment owned alien territory in space, a birth of magnificent and magical proportions took place. But the birth was not finite, it was infinite. As the whombs numbered and the mitosis of the future began, it was percieved that this infamous moment in life is not temporal, it is eternal. And thus began the beginning of the new race, a race within the race of humanity, a race which bears no prejudice, no judgement, but boundless freedom. But on that same day, as the eternal mother hovered in the multiverse, another more terrifying birth took place. The birth of evil. And as she herself split into two, rotating in agony between two ultimate forces, the pendulum of choice began at stance. It seems easy, you imagine, to gravitate instantly and unweaveringly towards good. But, she wondered, how can I protect something so perfect whithout evil?"
And a chart analysis by Jason .....
Here are my observations about Lady Gaga’s evolutionary axis:
This Soul has spent many, many lifetimes focused on rebelling against and deconditioning from belief systems around sexuality and particularly sexual/gender roles (Pluto/SN Moon conjunct in Scorpio 11th; trine Vesta/Jupiter balsamic conjunction in Pisces 3rd, which is also conjunct Dark Moon Lilith, and Vesta also being conjunct Venus NN in Aquarius). It has incarnated in different groups all over the world, often in the role of leader (Pluto sextile Neptune in Capricorn/1st, that Neptune also conjunct Mars in Capricorn/1st), engaging in a huge diversity of relationships with individuals and groups, all with the deep Soul desire of reworking roles and belief systems related to sexuality – there is probably no role or relationship permutation it hasn’t experimented with, particularly variations on the female roles (Pluto/SN in 11th trine Vesta/Jupiter conjunction in 3rd trine Pallas in 7th). Now these many wanderings and rebellions and relationships are culminating in a powerful conscious awareness and mastery (grand trine) releasing the last vestiges of the conditioning and seeding a belief system around sexual roles that is based in ultimate truths (Vesta/Jupiter balsamic and in Pisces 3rd), grounded in the emotional body (Pallas in Cancer) and connected to the deep and unique reality of the individual Soul (Pluto/SN Scorpio 11th). Lady Gaga’s life and public role shows that she is in a fruition condition in relation to her Pluto/SN and the associated grand trine – hence in this lifetime she is compelled to share and represent to others all that she has discovered and realized through her many rebellious contacts and adventures. In fact, it also interesting to consider that she has more than once in interviews expressed an impatience with needing to be and do this, an indication that she can’t not be and do this for others, with her own Soul as the symbol, as Gonzalo pointed out, for others to work out the same issues she ha9s been working out.
It is also clear that this Soul has experienced extreme religiously and patriarchally driven persecution and judgment from others for its relationship choices and particularly for the unconventional relationship roles it has taken as a female (Mars/Neptune in Capricorn opposite Pallas in Cancer in 7th), as well as for its lifetimes spent in Intersex/hermaphroditic and bisexual roles (Saturn in Sagittarius 1st opposite Chiron in Gemini in 7th, also Jupiter in Pisces square that Chiron), some of which were likely not by choice (Pluto in Scorpio quincunx that Chiron, genital mutilation/castration e.g. Hijra/eunuch roles in India correlating to Gemini geodetically.) In some ways, even while her art clearly speaks of, reacts to, and names this, nevertheless this Soul does tend to disidentify with it at some level and tend more to see it in others around her (Chiron conjunct DC) and tends to objectivize her Soul story impersonally for the liberation of others (11th Pluto). Thus she has developed for herself a role as “Mother Monster,” (Ceres, gibbous phase opposition to Dark Moon Lilith, in Grand Cross with Saturn/Chiron/Jupiter-Vesta), a teacher perfecting her purifying cosmology (that Ceres is in Virgo 9th, gibbous phase opposition to Jupiter) exemplified in Gonzalo’s quote, who cares for her many “little monsters”. Thus she shares again the results of her long rebellion against role prescriptions, sharing what she’s learned, fulfilling her universal and social role (Ceres 3rd Q sextile Pluto). But her deeper very personal and intense wounding she carries very very privately (Moon, ruler of 8th and of the afflicted Pallas, in 12th Scorpio; Neptune/Mars opposition to Pallas also T-Squares 4th house Sun). However, the masses will consistently bring it to her attention, sometimes in humiliating ways (Pluto/Neptune both quincunx to Chiron – a yod), such as the hermaphroditic rumors. And there is an evolutionary intention to liberate and break free from this more intense wounding she carries, likely through relationships (Uranus NN conjunct Chiron, both in 7th).
In fact it seems to me that love in her own life is indeed her “next frontier” and the thing which she, as a Soul in the fruition condition, would like to “get on with”. To me it seems that the lifetimes of deconditioning have cleared the way and left this Soul hungry and consciously ready to solidify a brand new way to express and give and receive love (PPP/Lunar NN in Taurus and conjunct ruler Venus in Aries 5th, Venus 1st Q trine to Mars, Venus/PPP/NN all conjunct the new phase conjunction of NN Mars and NN Venus in 5th/Taurus), Doing this would also bring up all those very personal intense memories (SN Chiron conjunct all of above) allowing deep healing of the many wounds the Soul has sustained, i.e. the process of giving and receiving love would bring to light all the ways the Soul has been traumatized, including a very basic wound around her perception of her "loveability" and attractiveness (Venus semisquare Chiron and sesquiquadrate Saturn). However, because of the requirements linked to her fruition condition, this particular journey is suspended until her first and perhaps her second Saturn Return (seems more likely first given the way she is living, clearly doing what she is here to do). Certainly this “on hold” seems congruent with her relationship life to date, which she reports has been “miserably pathetic” (granted she is only 25 years old).
Yet with her NN of Uranus in the 7th house, and her NNs of Jupiter and Vesta conjunct and in a new phase relationship to that NN Uranus, developing relationship roles and meanings that are freedom-based and more appropriate to the Aquarian Age, and consolidating that in her own life (NN Venus and NN Mars in Taurus in 5th), seems like something she will be doing later in this lifetime and the next, after she completes her service requirement in helping the culture continue its deconditioning. And no doubt Mother Monster will be sharing it, using her own process of self-discovery to project into the world these new lessons in love (Lunar NN/Venus conjunct in 5th, Venus in Aries; trine Mars/Neptune in 1st; trine Ceres in 9th).
As an aside, it is fascinating to consider that the two musical roles she has ever had are Miss Adelaide in Guys and Dolls, a character who has stayed, because of her partner, in a 14-year engagement – relationship ever delayed – and who sings longingly of having to wait and be given “the fish eye” from hotel managers in the meantime as she meets her fiancée outside of wedlock; and Philia in Something Happened on the Way to the Forum, paradoxically a “virgin courtesan,” who must endure the entire musical to reach her designated relationship assignment, in part because of multiple male characters impersonating her in drag! These characters to my mind perfectly demonstrate Gaga’s fruition situation which dictates that she delay her much-longed-for new relationship journey in order to serve the needs of others as a role model and powerful leader in our collective sexual deconditioning and liberation. Bless you too Lady G!
Thank you all once again for this opportunity.
and some additional comments by Jason
Recognizing the centrality of the goddess asteroids in this chart’s evolutionary axis I wanted to offer some more about them in this chart:
Vesta, as part of the grand trine to Pluto, its balsamic conjunction to Jupiter, and its conjunction Dark Moon Lilith, seems particularly central. Lady Gaga’s original Lilith is in Aquarius conjunct her Neptune SN, that SN also being conjunct the SN of Vesta. Hence this Soul’s ideal of itself as a woman is connected to the Aquarius sub-Age during the Leo Age: it carries strong memories of freedom from that time as well as memories of being in Vesta roles in which it was respected and in which as a woman she could be totally herself and totally free and natural (Uranus in 1st Sagittarius ruling both original Lilith and Neptune and Vesta SNs).
Vesta in balsamic conjunction to Jupiter suggests that the Soul has had a series of lifetimes playing out and exhausting all the various Vesta roles inside of multiple belief systems, and that this is now culminating (Pisces, balsamic conjunction). This has included many lifetimes as a prostitute as well as lifetimes being denied sexual expression, in Judeo-Christian religious or spiritual contexts (Saturn in 1st/Sagittarius square Vesta, Vesta in Pisces, Vesta conjunct Jupiter), even perhaps in a nun role with a "Mother Superior" trying to reign her in (Ceres in Virgo in 9th opposite Vesta), or even taking this role herself as a sort of preparation to be "Mother Monster" in this lifetime. The Soul has made use of all these experiences for self-discovery (Jupiter rules 1st). At the same time Vesta is conjunct the Dark Moon so there is a great deal of rage and fury that has been and is connected to these Vesta experiences. A great example of this is one of Gaga’s music videos which features her being created as a kind of Frankenstein creature and then auctioned off to the highest male bidder at a bathhouse frequented by the Russian mafia (Vesta trine to Pluto in Scorpio 11th, underworld group exchanging resources for sex – geodetically correspondent to Russia on fixed cross), following which she explodes the building in which it all took place. Interestingly, the Dark Moon/Vesta/Jupiter conjunction is in Pisces (mutable zone), in the 3rd (Gemini) house, geodetically correspondent to the Russian interior.
It is also significant that this Vesta/DML/Jupiter conjunction is opposite the 9th house Ceres in Virgo, because it can be seen how “Mother Monster” is the full blossoming of the ongoing relationship between Vesta and Ceres in full phase opposition, carrying the “monstrousness” of the DML; and "Mother Monster" also being the vehicle for perfecting the “teaching” of the new belief system of no prejudice that is being seeded by the Soul at this culmination of Vesta/Jupiter (Ceres in gibbous opposition to Jupiter in Pisces).
Pallas also in the grand trine to Pluto shows the Soul’s long involvement with gender-bending, remembering that Pallas Athene herself was a “drag king”: a female goddess who dressed in male armor and was treated as if she were a male god. We can see that this Soul has initiated a diversity of gender-bending relationships (Pallas in Cancer, involving gender assignment Cancer/Capricorn axis, and in 7th house). For example, given the Cancer geodetic zone, lifetimes in Thailand as or with kathoey (“ladyboys”) come to mind. Often these are prostitutes as well (Pallas trine to Vesta). This also sometimes involved this Soul in Dark Eros (Mars in Capricorn opposite Pallas in Cancer), on both sides of the equation, and she carries internalized guilt for this (Mars in Capricorn 1st), which she is in part consciously addressing and purifying by “mothering” these individuals now (Ceres in Virgo trine Mars, Ceres sextile Pallas).