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« Reply #60 on: Feb 21, 2012, 01:02 pm »

Hi Linda, Cat, Gonzalo, Mirta, and Kristin

I have now read through all of your analysis's of the sexual signature of Michael Jackson. All of you have done excellent EA work, and thank you for taking the time to do so. I am posting my individual comments for each of you below.

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« Reply #61 on: Feb 21, 2012, 01:11 pm »

Hi Kristin,

You have done an exceptional EA analysis of the sexual signature within the birth chart of Michael Jackson.
You have made an observation about the possibility of Jackson being Farinelli in a recent past life. The answer is YES. I will post Farinelli birth chart within synastry bi-wheel attached to this post. I am also posting a biography of him that I found on Wikipedia.

Here is what stood out for me in your analysis:

Michael has all of the symbols, apart from being castrated as a form of punishment, to being castrated to preserve his voice, a castrati, in another life. I am not necessarily saying he was Farinelli, although their lives were notably similar and this occurred in Italy being an Aires line, Michael has a South node in Aries. Libra is also part of this cardinal axis and Michael has South Nodes of Mars and Venus in Libra in the 8th conjunct his North Node and with the South Node in the 2nd (music) ruler being Mars in the 3rd (voice) in Taurus (music) and this squares Uranus and Venus, the ruler of his Mars, this suggests he also had a life where this occurred. His voice or the preservation of this soft childlike higher pitched tone in this life feels to me also to be a carry over from a life as a castrati. Many of the castrati were born into poor families ( unlike  Farinelli’s family who were well to do). I can see how Joe Jackson may have also been a father in another time who had Michael castrated not necessarily as a form of punishment but to preserve his voice in order for financial gain for the family.

For Michael, it felt that most of his sexual practices were left on the dance floor as he clutches his crotch in an instinctual way, a form of self masturbation, performing and sexual expression for the world to see. A sort of “this is mine’ gesture after the prior trauma in being castrated in a recent life and the SAFETY that the stage provided for him. There is also something about all the eyes on him while he grabs himself. The desire to be watched, a from of voyeurism is a Taurean phenomenon seen with his South Node in Aries in the second, ruler Mars in the 3rd, squaring Venus and Uranus in Leo. The Aquarian signature in combination with this Taurean expression is  observed as he is removed from his audience and alone in this act, ie no one is touching him back -you can look but they cannot touch. This becomes a sexual thrill, a grounding yet exciting rush but also a SAFE expression of his sexuality as he said the stage is the only place he feels safe and at home. Michael's South Node in Aries in the 2nd house, ruler Mars in Taurus in the 3rd reflects a glorification of the phallus and a need for self touch and in his Leo way almost a celebration of it on stage. He would also need to masturbate regularly whenever the instinct calls in order to ground himself and create more inner stability and to keep the chi flowing so to speak. He is male and he is female on that stage and his moves and his voice reflects this androgyny. He is male and he is female on that stage and his moves and his voice
reflects this androgyny.

Michael's PRIMARY sexual orientation was with himself: masturbation and even 'experimenting' with different and unusual ways to make himself 'release' seen again with his South Node in Aries, ruler Mars in Taurus in the 3rd house squaring Venus and Uranus in Leo. Also his South Nodes of Mars and Venus although they are in Libra, their ruler is in Leo and this conjuncts Uranus and squares Mars, the ruler of his South Node. Perhaps this was his way of attempting to reconnect all of the inner working circuits that were severed in other times. But also it was his way of attempting to re-empower himself because of lives where sex lead to traumatic and severe consequences such as castration as well as lives when personal and total humiliation occurred when asked to do things that were not pure or natural.

I feel there also would have been a very curious little boy side of him sexually as a child would as he enters puberty if he wanted to experiment and try on many hats with the ruler of his South Node in Aries being Mars in the 3rd. Perhaps there were even games in the mix as if the bedroom was more like a playground with the ruler of his Mars in Taurus being Venus in Leo. What he needed most however was simply TO BE HELD without sexual intent by another..to be held like a child held by his mother without anyone forcing themselves on him in any way for this would have caused him to freeze, detach and shutdown see with his Uranus and Venus conjunct in Leo squaring Mars, his South Node ruler. Also this Uranus and Venus conjunction opposing Chiron in Aquarius. Any forced sexual act coming at him would have triggered all of the sexual traumas of his past.

I also mentioned that Michael felt more acceptable as a female than he did as a male..and if you observe images of him from a boy to a man there is a progression of a black boy becoming a white female due to his reported skin condition called Vitiligo but this desire to be female again is seen in this progression. This influence may very well be connected also to his own experience not only being initiated by the vesta consort but by doing the initiating of boys entering manhood when he was a sacred Vesta consort himself. Because his Vesta is in Cancer in his 5th, in natural times this would have equaled initiating his own children and he clearly has carried this sacred imprint into this life. His Soul remembers and knows the power of the feminine, in particular the sacred sexuality of his roots. My feeling is in intimate situations,  as long as he felt TOTALLY SAFE and the environment was beautiful and clean, North Node in Libra conjunct his South Node of Mars and Venus in Libra, ruler Venus in Leo in the 6th, he would prefer the woman to take charge and 'act like a man' not only because he feels more feminine himself but also because of needing to let someone else lead for once due to the weight of the public pressure and responsibilities of his life.

Also his Mars in Taurus square Venus and Uranus could symbolize pre-mature ejaculation or the other extreme not being able to maintain an erection, especially if he does not feel SAFE. The trauma from recent lives reflected in the Mars T-square to Chiron, Uranus and Venus may have also created an inability to get emotionally close at all with anyone unless they were innocent children, animals or in some cases adults that were friends he felt he could trust as in Elizabeth Taylor. As far as intimacy with partners he may have also had a fear of being 'contaminated' due to being forced into sexually performing or sexually forced to do things in other lives not by his choosing

In fact, there were rumors about him not even having actual intercourse with his wives and using the ‘turkey baster’ method in order to have children.

As I read on to learn more about this marriage, it appears this was only a business arrangement so Michael could have children. There were rumors that the children were not even his and that a sperm donor was used. This would also not surprise me as some of the signatures in his chart can reflect a dehydration or fractured/broken sperm due to past life trauma, Mars in Taurus square Uranus and Venus in Leo, the ruler of this Mars in Leo or ‘slow swimmers’, not allowing him to have children of his own. Uranus also being the ruler of his Chiron in Aquarius which squares Mars on the other side.

Exception EA work Kristin. Bravo !

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« Reply #62 on: Feb 21, 2012, 01:18 pm »

Hi Mirta,

Your work on Jackson's sexual dynamics from an EA point of view was not as comprehensive as you have other done in the past. However, what you have presented is very accurate from an EA point of view, and is excellent work. You asked this question: "I wonder if his “sleeping with children” was an opportunity to live his sexual fantasy ?"

Yes

Here is what stood out for me:

SN in Aries in 2nd house conjunct SN Chiron in 2nd Taurus and ruled by Mars in Taurus suggests that the soul needed to shut down sexuality in order to survive, related to past lives of prostitution as a woman and a child, and that preexisting pattern still persist reaffirmed by trauma and guilt related to the former lives described with sexual relationships between siblings. Mars in 3rd house reflects this karmic condition that produces the arrest of the sexual development, which leads to a form of sexual infantilism remaining sexually immature as an adult. “The genital region. . . can be “frozen” because the nerves (Gemini) have become restricted. . . this can manifest as impotence”. (JWG, Pluto 2)

In former lives the Soul has been learning ways of being in relationships in order  to balance its need for independence with his need to be in relationship and understanding  the nature of its projections onto people (and vice versa), and  learning about sexual karma. But it lost sight of their own desires and needs, and many other people projected their needs and expectations onto it, who eventually became overwhelmed and confused, with regard to its own needs and desires.

However, it also focused its intense energy within itself in order to understand the nature of its desires, motivations and intentions; the nature of its emotional dynamics, anger, personal power and limitations. (SN of Mars in Libra in 8th house) In this life, with Mars in Taurus, BML and Eros in Aries the soul is trying to recover its individuality and a mature knowledge of the causes of its confusion (Mars PP in Scorpio conjunct Psyche, Grand Trine Vesta in 5th house and Moon conjunct Ascendant in Pisces; Mars inconjunct NN conjunct Jupiter and Neptune in Scorpio in 8th house, that are conjunct O. Lilith, SN Mars and Venus and NN Chiron).

In this process autoerotism can be an interface, and is reflected in Aries 2nd house with Resolution BML on it, and Eros in 1st house Aries conjunct SN of Juno and Pallas. In addition, the described possible difficulty in the ego constitution in the passage to acknowledging a separate love object can have left an adherence to an autoerotic phase. Furthermore, the chart shows a strong masturbatory tendency as a way to reconnecting with his individual independence and becoming self-reliant. (SN conjunct BML in 2nd, ruler Mars in Taurus, Venus in Leo).

Jung’s perspective about children’s sexual abuse was that it is a degenerative impairment of the necessary and healthy unfoldment of incestuous fantasy. Michael doesn’t look like an abuser (although it’s not easy to determine what constitutes abuse regarding children). I also see him innocent as Kristin says, even healing for children with his Vesta in 5th house Cancer trine Moon in Pisces and square Ceres in 7th house.

Vesta in 5th house Cancer skipped steps;and  Persephone in 5th house Leo conjunct Venus Uranus opposite Chiron; T- square Neptune and Hades in 2nd house Taurus conjunct SN of Chiron ; inconjunct Moon opposite Ceres; trine Saturn conjunct Lucifer; trine Eros; sextile SN Venus and conjunct NN Venus and Neptune in  Leo in 5th house, suggest that he was looking for the inner child not well differentiated from his mother and hook of her projections and unactualized desires; that it was his own inner child - injured and not allowed to be, snatched to him in the current life abuse and in prior lives prostitution - that he was seeking in his relationship with children.

Excellent EA work Mirta. Bravo !

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« Reply #63 on: Feb 21, 2012, 01:31 pm »

Hi Cat,

Your progression in understanding EA is wonderful to experience. There some parts of the analysis that were not correct. These are:

"He wasn't concerned with the psychological and emotional aspects of relationships and was focused solely on meeting his physical and sensual needs."

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No. There exists within a duality in which he did in fact care about the emotional and psychological aspects of sex when others actually meant something to him. On the other hand sex for sex sake also has defined him in which it was just a physical act to have happen and be done with. This duality is inherent to the 3rd House Mars in Taurus. The caring about the emotional content and psychological aspects to sex is symbolized by his 8th House N.Node, Jupiter, and Neptune.

The same duality also correlates to the fact that yes he enjoyed with sustained sex with those that he actually loved or cared about, and also correlates to utter detachment and quick sex with those that he did not. His Mars is square his Venus, Uranus and Mercury, as well as his Chiron in Aquarius.


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"In the end, although he desired to experiment with different types of sexuality, he repressed these desires and at the same time yearned to lose control of himself through sexual intercourse while releasing the tension through masturbation (Mars in Taurus). "

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In different lives he did not repress his desires at all, and in others, the most recent one’s, he has. In the most recent one’s he feared actual intercourse with others leading to his sole outlet: masturbation. And on the few occasions that he would have intercourse it also had to be linked to some sort of fantasy through which he could ignite his sexual energy.  He did have intercourse sporadically in those recent lives but only with those most trusted: trusted without any reservations whatsoever.

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Here is what stood our for me. Please not another correction that I made within this.

He possessed a natural sexual grace and beauty which resulted in others projecting their sexual fantasies upon him. He had a tendency to mirror his partner's sexual reality which caused his own sexual desires to be undeveloped or submerged. He attracted partners who expected him to act out their sexual reality which created a buildup of anger within him as these relationships were not based on sexual or emotional equality. He wanted to be loved and accepted for who he was, not as a fantasy figure. His desire for sexual role equality resulted in a bisexual orientation as there was a desire to balance his anima and animus. At the same time, he had a desire to merge and be absorbed into the essence of  his partners and thus himself. He wanted and needed to be gently and intensely touched by another.  He was fascinated with the mystery of sexual energy as it symbolizes both life and death and is a vehicle of self discovery to be explored in every way.  In addition, as with Pluto in the 6th House opposition Chiron in the 12th House, he was in need of sexual and emotional healing as he carried a deep inner wound within him.  At some point, with his SN in Aries in the 2nd House semi-sextile Mars in Taurus in the 3rd House, he began to instinctually sense the difference between profane and spiritual sexuality through his sexual experiences.

 With the SNR, Mars in Taurus in the 3rd House, Michael instinctually resisted accepting or adopting any value system other than his own in previous lives. He had a desire to challenge the limitation of gender roles which may have manifested as bisexual or homosexual desires. In addition, there were sexual issues in his past involving his parents and siblings resulting in arrested sexual development and sexual immaturity as an adult. Taurus on the 3rd house cusp is an indication of sex or flirtation with sibling.  As Kristin pointed out, and Rad verified, Michael had a series of lifetimes in which he had sexual relations with his sister and in which his father castrated him.  Again, he was oriented towards durational and sustained sexuality which was often accomplished through masturbation. He had to be mentally stimulated in order to be aroused and needed the help of sexual devices or aides in order to stay mentally engaged or he risked becoming bored.  His Mars in Taurus in the 3rd House, reflects a desire nature that seeks to use sexual energy as a vehicle for the metamorphosis of his emotional and psychological limitations. In order to become aware of his own emotional and psychological reality, and the needs that reflect that reality, he would create sexually confrontational situations that served to bring his emotional and psychological reality and needs into conscious awareness and focus.  His desire to explore and understand every type of sexual orientation and behavior was the underlying cause of this desire. Although he did not necessarily want to experience every type of sexual orientation or behavior, he desired to learn and understand as much as he could about sex and sexuality as he had a desire to obtain as much sexual knowledge as possible.  He had a strong and constant sexual nature as well as a strong instinctive physical and sexual magnetism which helped him attract the sexual experiences his soul needed in order to learn about the nature of sexual energy and the proper and improper use of it. He either focused on sex for its own sake, engaging in sexual relationships for stimulation only, separating body and emotions or experienced sex in a way that unlocks the depths of the emotions leading to the soul. In the second case, he would find sex to be unfulfilling if limited to just physical stimulation alone as there would be a desire for a soul connection. If this were the case, he had a desire to evolve from profane sex to sacred sex.

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His sexual energy was not constant. With mars squaring his Venus/Uranus/Mercury his energy could vacillate between beyond intense need to total evaporation with all possibilities in between.

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With his Pluto in Virgo in the 6th House, his sexual impulses and needs were very strong but he had a tendency to over analyze his natural urges resulting in him nuetralizing his natural sexual expression. He focused on what he lacked and attempted to fill his inner void buy keeping busy and channeling his sexual energy into his career and music (Pluto Conjunct Sun sextile Jupiter (Libra) and Neptune (Scorpio) in the 8th House. His music and performing before many people became a defacto sexual act.  “His greatest, most passionate, tempestuous and erotic love affair wasn’t with any individual woman or man, or any particular young boy or chimpanzee.  It was with the public. In a sense, Jackson’s sexuality was that of a consensual exhibitionist with the public as his bedazzled voyeurs.”  Michael experienced normal sex as lacking in some way and most of his life experienced an almost absolute lack of a sexual life with another person. Instead he created sexual imagery that excites mind and soul for the masses. He made love to this imagery on stage.  It manifested in the bedroom as well as a form of sexual sadism in which he made love to this imagery rather than his partner.  “"I am Peter Pan," he said, more than once. He lived in Neverland. His second wife, Debbie Rowe, said that in order to get in the mood to have sex with her, Jackson dressed up as Peter Pan and danced around the bedroom. She said: "It made him feel romantic."

With his NN in Libra in the 8th house, Michael Jackson came into this life with an intention and desire to merge with a partner in order to get closer to the source of his soul or God through the psychic release that is part of the sexual experience. The NN is in Libra indicating that this partner may have been his audience (many others). Michael had a strong sexual drive coupled with low self-esteem and a feeling that he was not attractive enough or appealing enough. This lack of self esteem inclined him to remain single most of his life as well as feel unloved. Due to his underlying insecurities he needed to feel very secure with an intimate partner in order to engage in intimate activities. It seems that he found such a partner in Lisa Marie Presley “ “Raised at her father's impregnable home, Graceland, she had much in common with the world's most famous pop star, cloistered away in Neverland.  Both had been sheltered from the real world, missed out on their childhoods and were mistrustful of outsiders. They believed they were soul mates...Presley admitted that at first, their sex life was sensual... Never before had he felt uninhibited and physically intimate with anyone.” In addition to his desire to merge with someone who made him feel safe and secure, he had a need and desire to unite his inner male and inner female (anima/animus) through sexual role equality which, with Libra involved, meant finding a partner who is as sensitive as he is.  His desire to unite his inner male and female parts manifested as what the public perceived as either homosexual, bisexual or androgynous tendencies. “Michael was often seen in dresses and other feminine attire.  He was practically a transvestite or at least, a modern-day dandy... from Thriller on, MJ’s makeup ontop of the plastic surgery and skin-bleaching got more and more extreme...  Jackson may have had a paraphilia clinically known as “autogynephilia,” sexual arousal at the idea of being a woman...he exhibited the diva/castrato style throughout his life.  Being a cross between male and female, the castrato can seem to be a kind of god, elevated above mere male or female humans.  But of course, the castrato is also a victim, a tragic child sacrifice on the altar of our entertainment.”

With his NNR,  Venus in Leo in the 6th House conjunct Uranus, Michael needed to learn to accept his sexual nature and liberate himself from the guilt association linked to his natural sexual desires.  This guilt was a by-product of lifetimes of patriarchal conditioning which made him feel inadequate relative to his gender role.  Michael was deep,  passionate and had a narcissistic orientation to sexuality with a high degree of focus on self pleasure. He was sexually creative especially in designing masturbatory practices that allowed for a deep intensity of psychological, emotional and physical sensation in order to renew and release his soul simulataneously.  He had a sadomasochistic orientation to sex and sexuality which manifested as an absolute denial of anything sexual and the lack of a sexual life with another person throughout most of his life. Although Michael was inclined to deny anything sexual in his personal life, he had a talent for creating sexual imagery that excites both the mind and the soul which he expressed through his music, dance and on-stage. In his personal life offstage, Michael was for the most part asexual due to an underlying fear of sexuality or being contaminated by others.  With Venus in Leo in the 6th house, Michael's passion for love and romance was channeled into his music and other creative pursuits. With Taurus on the 3rd House cusp Michael expressed his sexual thoughts and ideas through language in the form of lyrics and his songs. This is how he communicated his feelings and desires to others.

Amor opposition his Chiron in AQ in the 12th House shows that he found something more desirable than the love of an intimate partner and that was visiting and taking care of sick children. “To the world at large, his interest seemed odd, but not necessarily inappropriate. It was part of the way he seemed to shun the world in favour of a fantasy lifestyle.”  Although an honorable way of showing love, it is a distorted type of love that served to block or interfere with his ability to participate in a personal, fulfilling love relationship with another human being. It was a distorted type of love manifesting as a desire to be a compulsive caretaker of those who appeared weak in some way which helped compensate for his inner fear of lonliness. In addition, with Amor in Leo, it fed a need for constant adulation and assurances that his love was the ideal and highest type of love.  This unconditional giving of love and loving was a substitute for intimate love with a partner as with Amor conjunct Uranus which is conjunct Venus which is conjunct Mercury which is conjunct Pluto, he was liberated from the need to initiate close personal relationships with intimate partners as he believed this type of love is true, perfect and the ideal type of love.

Excellent EA work Cat. Bravo !

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« Reply #64 on: Feb 21, 2012, 01:41 pm »

Hi Gonzalo,

Your EA analysis of Jackson's sexual dynamics is excellent. The only adjustment I would make is one wherein you should make it more clear between certain prior lives in which the heavy orientation to various forms of s&m type sexuality, and the reasons for them and the current life. In the current life those heavy orientations to s&m does not apply. In fact, it is because of them, that he would have the opposite reaction to them in his current life: a total repulsion to any form of being sexually humiliated or degraded. Yes, those humiliations and degradations did occur in the public arena in the from of societal judgments, but not in his personal life. One of the reasons for his heavy orientation to auto-eroticism is to re-empower and heal himself from those past lives in which that sort of dynamic did play out.

Here is what stood out for me:

Aries in the 2nd House Cusp and the South Node in the 2nd House in Aries, reflect an intense and powerful sexual nature grounded at the physical level, the physical body, and an intense sensation nature, that will be triggering instinctual response, including sexual response, ie. an intense masturbatory nature which has the instinctual capacity to stimulate itself and intensify the sensation and the response to sensation, intensifying and concentrating the physical experience, and at same time creating a potential for movement, and a potential for self-discovery from within through the sexual energy and the experiences created through such vehicle. The sense of identity in relation with the sexual nature is intense, yet it is unformed (also the Moon in the 1st House being Pisces, and Pisces in the 1st House cusp, adding confusion).

The South Node in the 2nd House being in Aries correlates too with the Soul’s desire to integrate the instinctual sexual nature, in order to create a new way of relating to self based on this self-discovery. Because it is the 2nd House, prior patterns of relating to self sexually have existed along many lifetimes, which have dictated the need of a new way of relating to self. Because of all the 6th House, patriarchal conditioning, suppression and repression of the sexual nature has created distortions of this energy, and intense crises of sexual nature. Thus, the Soul desires to relate to self in a new way, to initiate a new cycle of sexual self-discovery, and to heal and integrate the sexual nature. Because of the intensity of the sensation body and the potential for sexual response, many of the crises have been triggered instinctually. The instinctual desire nature itself as rooted in the physical body, has been repressed along many lifetimes, and has been used as a primary vehicle for the creation of crises. Because of this, there is an intense thought focus on the sexual energy, sensations, and in sex (Mars being in the 3rd House Taurus and the T-square with Chiron and Uranus). Same symbols reflect too the potential mental detachment from the body sensations. Of course they also reflect an intense and highly energized integration of body and mind through movement which is more or less limited to the physical. Hence, the same Mars 3rd House correlates to the potential of being totally engaged in bodily sensations, and at same time to the potential of being totally disengaged and detached from the physical body in an observational way.

With Lilith conjunct the south node of Mars, and conjunct the Moon’s North Node, relative to Vesta squaring the nodal axis in the 5th House Cancer, the Soul has fundamental desires of a deeper sexual integration at a physical and Soul level, through sexual experiences with trusted partners based on joyful and playful manifestation and sharing of the natural sexual nature of the Souls. This is also reflected in the north node of Venus being in Leo, in the 5th House. In these scenarios the Soul would have expectations of being sexually and emotionally nurtured and would manifest in a childlike narcissistic way with the expectation to receive a concentrated focus of love and attention in which his nature and subjective feeling of specialness are totally embraced and nurtured. These symbols reflect desires which originate in sacred sexual initiation with mother or sister type figures in which the Soul felt totally love, accepted, and safe, in which the sexual energy and nature manifested in natural ways and the Soul experienced deep communion with nature.

The square between The Moon in the 1st House and Saturn reflects that the experiences of humiliation, and sexual wounding have created a crisis in sexual identity, and gender identity, because the Soul has been demanded to provide increasing sexual stimulation in yang, physical ways, which has never been enough for these partners, and the Soul has been rejected, humiliated, or betrayed, when desiring to open itself to its yin, feminine and receptive nature. Because of this crisis in sexual identity, the Soul has felt the need to define itself sexually in terms of gender. With Saturn/Moon being within the Crescent phase, this definition would need to occur through an internalized self-exploration. Though, because the Moon is in the 1st House, and ruling the 5th House, relative to the South Node ruler Mars being in the 3rd House, all the Leo planets. etc., the Soul has felt the need to define itself sexually in face of the external public, which of course is a projection of the internalized expectations and fears, in which the Soul desires to appear as totally 'masculine' in sexual terms.

Pluto/Venus being Balsamic in the 6th House correlates with a whole cycle of intimate relationships that is coming to a culmination, which has been based on experiences of humiliation along many lifetimes, which is a causal factor of the emptiness the Soul feels inwardly. This emptiness experienced through these types of relationships has induced the desire to conceal the sexual nature, ie, not to relate with intimate others based on the natural nature, and to create a duplicity in which the ‘masculine’ energy is directed and channeled toward external activity and sublimated in the work dynamic, creating the concentrated focus on work to the point of exhaustion, with work equaling a de facto sexual act, in which also relationships are subordinated to the context of work. The feminine energy-which in fact is the source and the inner nature of the masculine energy-remains locked, blocked, and un-nurtured.  Further, even though the sexual feminine orientation and needs are explored within private self-relationship, prior definitions associate these explorations with  patterns of guilt, shame and overall masochism, in which the feminine, sensitive, receptive and emotional nature is also overpowered by the ‘masculine’ energy through intense stimulation, instead of allowing the sensation body to fully manifest and expand from within. Thus, re-creating experiences of humiliation even within the private sexual relationship with self.

With Lilith in the 8th House Libra, conjunct the prior-life activated North Node, the original sexual nature of the Soul is oriented to create deep experiences of Soul merging through the vehicle of committed relationships which are defined by absolute equality in every sense including equality in roles, in giving and receiving, integration of male and female yin/yang polarities within self and with the committed partners.

The Dark Moon Lilith in the 6th House Leo conjunct the Leo Venus which is the North Node ruler, indicates that the distortion of the natural sexual nature because of patriarchal conditioning has occurred through sexual experiences defined by vicarious and subservient roles, and sexual superiority/inferiority occurred within ‘relationships’, through the types of experiences that have already been talked about in the prior stage of this thread, including sexual abuse, exploitation, in different forms  (this is re-stated by the south node of Venus being in the 8th House Libra, and Venus in the 6th House). The Black Moon Lilith being in the 2nd House Aries, indicates that the recovery and healing of the original sexual natures needs to occur though the inner relationship to self, in order for the Soul to redefine itself and discover and embrace its sexual nature and needs, which would allow for the Soul to attract other types of partners which are capable of embracing the Soul’s desire nature and natural sexual orientations. Mars/Venus phase being in a Crescent phase square, and Mars-South Node ruler- forming a Disseminating square to Pluto 6th House Virgo, reflect that the Soul has tried to conform to consensus definitions and yet needs to embrace its inherent nature and needs and sense of identity and sexual identity in relationships, remaining apart from all types of intimate relationships which are not able to relate on these terms, instead of relating intimately through consensus patriarchal roles or relationship types in which the sexual nature of the Soul is concealed and humiliated.

Excellent EA work Gonzalo. Bravo !

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« Reply #65 on: Feb 21, 2012, 01:49 pm »

Hi Linda,

Your EA analysis of Jackson's sexual dynamics is extremely excellent work, and demonstrates exactly how EA is meant to be understood and applies.

Here is what stood out for me. Please note the places I answered the questions you had:

Puer aeternus is Latin for eternal boy, used in mythology to designate a child-god who is forever young; psychologically it refers to an older man whose emotional life has remained at an adolescent level. The puer typically leads a provisional life, due to the fear of being caught in a situation from which it might not be possible to escape. He covets independence and freedom, chafes at boundaries and limits, and tends to find any restriction intolerable. – Wikipedia

Is it possible that, sexually, MJ thought of himself as a pubescent boy hence his sexual and emotional development becoming frozen during those formative years?  MJ’s transits at age 11 reveal a Mars Return, Prog Moon Leo 5th, T-Neptune opp Mars, Prog Asc 0 deg Aries, T-Chiron conj Eros, T-Saturn opp Adonis, and T-Neptune squ Dionysus.  The inability to grow beyond this point would have lead to an asexual orientation.  MJ maintained that his preference for the company of children was an innocent expression of affection.  The mass media saw this as a dangerous obsession and speculated about sexual addiction to young boys.  After the lawsuit, MJ continued with this controversial behaviour.  With Venus being such a prominent archetype, his NN of Venus Leo 5th is a reasonable explanation for his liking for children.  He endeavoured to heal his patriarchal wounds (NN of Venus conj NNs of Vesta-Saturn) and his skipped steps (Vesta Cancer 5th ruled by Moon Pisces 1st):  the unresolved issues of insecurity, regression into boyhood, and the malformation of his self-image.  By pulling his energies back from others, working in solitude, and trusting his instincts (2nd) he had been able to resolve the skipped steps by supplying his inner needs thus bringing about self-renewal of the inner child.  He extended his inner healing to a spiritual commitment to heal children (NNs of Jupiter-Pluto-Saturn-Vesta-Venus 5th).  With Moon Pisces ruling his 5th house, the patriarchal mass media really could not fathom MJ’s pure intentions (or naiveté). 

 The transition from self-stimulation to true intimacy with others was a stressful process for MJ since all aspects to his Mars are squares and inconjuncts denoting crisis and stress, the only exception being Mars Quintile Asc which describes a quality of genius in fluidity of thought and physical movement.  Further, Mars formed a t-square with Chiron and Uranus-Venus-Pallas-Mercury, all in fixed signs.  In order to fulfil evolutionary intentions, his Soul focused on essential relationships from the past such as those with siblings.  The 3rd house ruled by Venus (conj Uranus) and the 4th house ruled by Mercury indicated that healing was necessary in family relationships. 

His Soul created all of these dynamics because he was in a transitional phase in preparation for entering the social world as an equal (Pluto Virgo 6th).  His sexual/love nature came under the influence of this transitional Virgo archetype.  His overly egocentric self-focus and self-isolation was being channeled into human relationships (North Node Libra).  As part of the grooming process, many aspects of his love/sexual nature needed to be brought to culmination, so that the new evolutionary desires could be set into motion (North Node conj NN of Chiron ruled by Venus conj NN of Neptune).  The transition from the South Node to the North Node describes a concentration on self but with a necessity to learn co-operation with others.  Not being able to express stereotypical sexuality, he instead transmuted to a higher expression of Neptunian love by generously giving of himself and thus gaining the vicarious love he dreamed of by fulfilling his mission to the world.  Therefore, his main love interests would have been the public itself (Moon squ Saturn), his children, all children, scattered with karmic relationships.

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Sexual encounters, experiences, and partners

The EA bottom line dynamics for MJ’s sexuality signature describes imbalance but also fruition in relationship dynamics (SNs of Venus-Mars conj North Node Libra 8th, ruler Venus Leo 6th bals Pluto, Mars ruled by Venus).  In terms of masochism, there had been a need for crisis associated with powerlessness and humiliation, and in terms of sadism, a need for crisis associated with the misuse of power and domination (Mars 3rd inconj North Node and SN of Mars, SN of Mars sext Venus).   The crises that MJ had undergone were all necessary in order to induce the evolutionary lesson of humility, allowing him to grow into a spiritual being through a process of inner metamorphosis. Fulfilling the role of service to others would transform the egocentric, selfish, deluded patterns from the past. 

PPP

Needless to say, MJ had leaned heavily toward left-brain processes.  The intention of the PPP was to develop the right brain intuitive function.  It was imperative that he learn to go deeper into the meaning of universal laws which lay beneath all the information that he had collected (Mars Taurus 3rd).  The PPP demanded a quietening of the mind and the development of intuition in order to bring understanding of underlying truths, so that he could come to a holistic view of himself and life rather than the endless collection of facts which tended to bring confusion, not clarity.  For this reason he needed to align with a philosophical, spiritual or metaphysical system that he could connect with.  The ruler of his PPP, Neptune Scorpio 8th, meant evolution through the emotional body.  The deep inner aloneness that MJ felt reflected an unresolved spiritual need (Pisces polarity).  He needed to align with a spiritual system defined through the principles of compassion, love, gentleness, kindness.  This would bring a deep self-acceptance that would attract positive changes and bring solutions to his life. 

South Node

In order to induce the evolutionary lesson of humility, service and self-improvement, in past lives Michael had closeted and insulated himself from the outside world.  His Soul desires were internalized and geared toward self-protection and self-sustainment due to the pressure to survive.  He had lived an internal sadomasochistic psychology with inner messages of intense self-criticism.  The inner urge for survival over many lifetimes resulted in becoming fixed and trapped into life circumstances that were geared for endurance at the expense of other aspects of his nature.  His frustrated physical needs were sublimated into the spiritual aspirations of his PPP thus becoming a group-of-one (widely conj Chiron). 

MJ’s Soul desired absolute creative self-actualization through conscious narcissism because he was fully aware of his creative gift (Venus Leo 6th).  Since his Venus conjuncts Mercury it was important that he be acknowledged as special by others through supportive communication (Mercury), and that he support others in the same way.  Not receiving a positive response would cause feelings of unworthiness and manifest intense emotional withdrawal or emotional dramas of a melodramatic nature.  Making others feel good and special came through in his performances and contributed to his success.  In his personal relationships his need to be considered special and loved at all times was never quite satisfied as he created repeated crisis that generated self-humiliation.  MJ related inwardly to himself in self-analytical and critical ways.  He desired to align with his actual inner reality as opposed to egocentric illusions or delusions.  These desires generated an inner emptiness, an existential void, of being very small and alone.  In contrast with the god-like status of Venus in Leo, forever comparing himself to impossibly high standards of belief, he never felt good enough or perfect enough.  Through real humility he was able to deflect any excessive personal acclaim.  The pathology of masochism created diverse forms of crisis, always leading to analysis and then to self-knowledge.  It meant being attracted to abusive people and submerging his needs to them reflecting an inner feeling of guilt, emotional wounding, and being undeserving to receive or be acknowledged.  Deep inner abuse would result in self-undermining activities that would bring humiliation and defeat.  To keep the deep inner abyss of aloneness and suffering at bay he would keep busy in the workaholic syndrome, keeping his left-brain constantly engaged.

Venus square Mars

Who was MJ in terms of his sexual nature?  His conscious desire nature (Mars, ruler of South Node) together with the inner and outer disposition of his love nature (Venus, ruler of his North Node) meant a crisis in action with choices to be made (Venus 1st qtr squ Mars).  He was questioning exactly what form he would take and how to build upon the foundation that he had already built.  His Soul had evolved into fundamental courage to stand apart from everyone else and to wilfully assert his own values.  However, in this phase there had been an inherent crisis of a fear of forming relationships with others in general.  This sheds light on the mystery of MJ’s sexuality.  Whenever he formed a relationship, he felt a loss of individuality.  Engagement with others was punctuated by fearful disengagement.  With each new relationship came expansion but also a need for isolation.  With the SNs of Venus-Mars conj the North Node, had he perhaps experienced too many indiscriminate sexual contacts in the past that had been based purely on using others as a sex object, or allowing others to use him in this way?

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 After purely physical sex had taken place, had he avoided further involvement due to inherent fears of loss, betrayal or abandonment?

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Chiron Aquarius 12th correlates to memory imprints around experiences of delusion, illusion, fears, phobias, trauma, leading to massive crisis (ruler Uranus Leo 6th).  These experiences revolved around duplicity in relationships (Mars t-squ Chiron and Venus) and point specifically to the wound of sexualizing a relationship with a sibling.  This relationship had generated secrecy, lies and crippling guilt.  Could it be that the suppressed guilt and denial from that past life relationship needed to be released, healed and culminated? 

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 This could account for MJ’s apparent lack of relationships due to self-punishment and atonement dynamics.

He had also relied heavily upon the emotional support of dermatology nurse Debbie Rowe who he married and two years later divorced.  MJ received full custody of their two children (SN of Ceres Scorpio 9th, SN of Ceres ruled by Pluto, NN of Ceres Cancer 4th).  Irrespective of whether these were his biological children, the NN of Pluto Cancer 5th meant having to work upon issues in relation to his children who were his children in a past life (SN of Vesta Sag 9th, Vesta Cancer 5th, NN of Vesta Cancer 5th).  His Vesta skipped steps (Vesta squ Nodes, SN of Vesta Sag 9th conj MC, NN of Vesta conj NN of Saturn Cancer 5th) revolving around charges of child abuse would need to be recovered through the SN Aries 2nd.  Having been molded into a child star, MJ’s identity was cemented into that of an adolescent boy.  There came a period of time (around the court cases) when he was no longer idolized (SN of Vesta conj Saturn).  He needed to start acting as a mature adult (NN of Saturn Cancer 5th) to handle the charges laid against him so that the childish behaviours could be reversed.

MJ needed to complete key relationships from the past that had been sexualized and where an exchange of karma had taken place.  Many of these relationships had been initiated in order to fill the void of utter aloneness, or to fulfill the needs of a partner without honouring his own needs.  With Moon Pisces ruled by Neptune conj North Node, and Venus in Leo, the compassionate, poetic and romantic side of MJ’s Soul attracted one-sided relationships.  Because he had lost sight of his own needs, instinctively people had projected their needs and expectations onto him thus creating sadomasochistic conditions of imbalance and inequality.  He became overwhelmed and confused, and anger was projected onto others.  Therefore the evolutionary lesson in the current life was to learn to honour his instinctive nature, and the need to be absolutely alone, or to interrelate with others, as the need may be, without guilt or apology. 

Conclusion

Being an androgynous soul, he played around with gender roles because he could not see the barriers (Moon Pisces 1st).  With Moon inconj Venus-Uranus, Moon opp Ceres-Cupido, and Moon squ Saturn-Lucifer he had suffered from a persecution complex (originating in childhood from an abusive father).  This would have attracted relationships based on inequality and sadomasochism.  Becoming famous, wealthy and powerful could have caused him to over-estimate his importance thus generating delusions of grandeur due to excessive pride (Leo).  This would have lead to a need for the partner to prop up his ego or act as alter ego.  Moon opp Cupido 7th correlates to the main barrier that MJ erected between himself and prospective love interests due to his feelings of vulnerability.  He was essentially unobtainable as a partner because of being so wrapped up in a narcissistic contemplation of himself.  He was elusive, ethereal and inaccessible:  that was a way of keeping prospective love interests at bay, or controlling them (North Node Libra 8th conj Neptune). 

Simply exceptional EA work Linda. Bravo !

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« Reply #66 on: Feb 21, 2012, 01:51 pm »

Hi Kristin, Linda, Gonzalo, Cat, and Mirta,

Please read through everyone's analysis to gain to total and accurate understanding of the sexual dynamics for Michael Jackson. If you have any questions of me please ask.

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« Reply #67 on: Feb 21, 2012, 03:14 pm »

Hi Rad and all,

As mentioned I did not complete a comprehensive analysis but I did work on this earlier and thought I would at least share what I did get done, focused on the 1st/Aries/Mars dimension of the analysis.

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Instinctual Nature: 1st House, Aries, Mars

Parental imprinting has heavily conditioned the Soul’s instinctual desire nature, through judgment and criticism of the father who has held extremely strong and self-centered ideals (Saturn in Sagittarius/9th square to Ascendant), and a kind of fusion relative to the mother (Moon conjunct Ascendant, both in Pisces), but that fusion having been broken at a very early age by the intrusion of the father (Saturn square Moon).  This has set up a very difficult relationship between the animus and anima in this Soul, in which the internalized feminine and the internalized masculine are in great tension.  The result being that the Soul would become much more identified with the feminine anima and its experience of that energy as boundless, uncontained, free, and seemingly innocent (Ascendant conjunct Moon in 1st, both in Pisces).

One of the Soul’s strongest instinctual drives has thus been to return to the womb-like state of attunement that is remembered from that very early time, to be in a state of union and complete potentiality, versus to have to manifest in form in the world.  This state is non-verbal (but definitely musical! Pisces), and in this state there would be no responsibility, no need for any kind of self-definition, no limitations or structures  . . . escape.  It is easy to see how this strong drive for a kind of pre-conscious existence manifested in Michael’s life, with his addictions to sedatives, pain killers, and ultimately anesthesia itself – sleep.  An escape from the bullying by the father (Saturn square Moon/AC) and the public (Saturn conjunct MC). 

There is then also a basic confusion relative to the pursuit of the Soul’s instinctual desires.  Because of the tendency of the instinctual nature to identify with pure potentiality, there is an ability, at a very basic level, to identify with any and all ways of being in the world – really the Soul can imagine itself in any form, and in some ways it is learning through its pursuit of basic instincts that it truly can become anything that it imagines (AC in Pisces).  Its imaginings are literally endless, and they relate not only to transient instinctual desires but also to entire identity structures that it can imagine for itself (Moon conjunct AC).  And so, when the Soul experiences an activation of instinctual impulses, these go in many different directions and create a confusion – as if anytime that it just lets itself do whatever comes naturally, way too much comes naturally, and very little actually makes it into incarnation and form.  There is thus an amorphous quality to the Soul’s own “becoming” nature – it is always becoming and never quite reaching.  And in this lifetime, this very watery, confused impulsive process has actually been taken on as an identity in itself (Moon).   This is very much the instinct of Peter Pan – who Michael was so identified with – whose defining characteristic was that he would not grow up, thus anything was possible.   

It also has to be said that the Soul is also carrying a state of primitive rage because of the fact that growing up does have to happen, and it cannot remain in the womb-like state (interaction of 1st house and Pisces) or return to innocence – there is no going back – yet also it is unclear and confused how to be in this world.  There is an intense frustration at the disruption of the peacefulness and blissful non-separation-awareness and the expectation of individuation for which the Soul feels unprepared.  This rage is something like the first scream of the infant arriving into the world (1st house Aries energy), completely in a state of distress at having been removed from the bliss of undifferentiated union (Pisces). 

These aspects of the instinctual nature – its confusion, its identification with potentiality, its endless imaginings of itself, its desire for the womb and its primitive rage relative to this – is played out in the Soul’s sexual relationships (1st ruler Neptune in 8th/Scorpio).  It is related to lifetimes discussed in earlier messages in which the Soul essentially listened to and embodied/performed the fantasies and projections of the other, but now in this lifetime the Soul’s own fantasies are the ones it is driven to carry out – hence what we have heard from Michael’s known sexual partners including his wives, who report his many dress-up games, as he imagined himself in many different roles.   His undifferentiated instinctual orientations would have translated into sexual experiences that were essentially “polymorphously perverse” – a term for undifferentiated libinal urges that go in all kinds of different directions without a specific sexual template, and can include all sorts of bestiality, incest, really anything whatsoever.  In addition, the self-centered rage meant that he would absolutely demand to be allowed to act out these many – in some sense infantile, undifferentiated – fantasies and urges, and we know this to be the case from the report of his wives and other lovers.   At the same time, there was an “unformed” quality to these experiences, as described by these people, that is again very Piscean/Neptunian – a kind of archaic, preconscious quality, like ancient statues in which the details of forms were not included – things were more in their ideal forms per Platonic descriptions, their most simple energetic forms without distinctions.

At the same time, alongside the impulse to dissolve certain kinds of boundaries are also impulses to establish them.  The Soul has had an intense need to get away from others in order to establish itself on its own terms and to derive its energy and thrust in the world from the inside.  The drive is towards self-definition, defining one’s own boundaries, and separation or isolation from others in order to survive (Aries on 2nd cusp and Mars in Taurus).  In many ways there is an emphasis on what we could call “turf” and psychic property: this is my space, my energy, mine.  Sexually this translates to self-satisfaction, strong masturbatory drives, and urge to drive deep into the inside and root into whatever will create a stable boundary.  The instinctual nature is thus very self-centered and in many ways can be selfish.  It is highly survival-oriented, and feels the need to hoard its own energy and protect and preserve itself at all costs.  There is a drive towards self-sufficiency which often results in relative isolation.  This self-based survival orientation relates to the Soul’s history with persecution for differentness and being called monstrous, ugly, and so on as discussed in the earlier analysis of the karmic axis of the chart (Lilith and the SN in Aries, opposite Jupiter/Neptune).   In part this autoeroticism and self-focus is the Soul’s instinctual way of taking action to heal itself from substantial trauma in its past that is carried unconsciously (Mars in 1st Quarter square to Chiron in 12th/Aquarius, that Chiron opposite Uranus). 

Looking more at the “why” of these instinctual drives in this lifetime, in past lives, we can see that the instinctual nature was caught up with what others wanted, and was totally involved in merger and too much boundary crossing, becoming the projections and fulfilling the fantasies of the sexual partners as described in my earlier post – there was a strong urge to do this and the Soul was totally involved in it (Mars SN in Libra/8th).  The Soul was driven to enact extreme scenarios of violation and abandonment, traumatic experiences in which these experiences were eroticized in some way.  It would do this by appearing to “serve” the (mostly) men that it was with – and to be the star of show in which it was degraded (Venus, ruler of Mars NN, in 6th/Leo). The instinct was always to be in connection and relationship, to merge through marriage and other ways in order to be connected with others who had resources and power, and there was thus a very fractured sexual boundary system in the Soul, with an extreme readiness to connect with others.  This connection was particularly through cords connecting the sacral chakras of the Soul and those it bonded with (SN Mars conjunct Jupiter and Neptune, both rulers of the 2nd chakra, and square Vesta, goddess asteroid associated with 2nd chakra).  This meant that the Soul became a revolving door sexual stop for many other Souls.    Across multiple experiences of this in multiple lifetimes, the Soul came to a point of overload with the amount of sexual cording, and also with the amount of karma it was taking in through the intake of sexual fluids from such a large number of partners.  This explains the instincts in this lifetime to return to the womb and bliss out in an undifferentiated way, to try to escape all of what it is carrying, all of which at some level it remembers in the unconscious, thus also the desires to act these things out, again, the polymorphous unboundedness (AC in Pisces) – which itself can now be more deeply understood as the desire to release and transcend much of the karma picked up through past acting out of the instinctual nature.  As well, this history helps to explain the Soul’s instinct in this lifetime to self-contain, to build up its own energy, to create boundaries, to rely only on itself for instinctual satisfaction (Mars in Taurus, Aries on 2nd cusp), in essence to stop “giving it away” as it did in the past (Mars SN in 8th/Libra).  The Soul in this lifetime is seeking release and trying in some sense to “recharge”.

Looking to the future the instinctual nature is evolving towards a focus on developing a secure home base, an ego identity, from which the Soul can make forays into the world and start to begin to rename and reassign labels to reality (Mars NN in Gemini/4th).  The Soul after recharging and releasing more in near future lifetimes will begin to feel a kind of emotional security which will enable it to feel “safe enough” to become curious and interested in the world and others around it to start asking questions and being in circulation once more, but in a very different way, without the power dynamics that have characterized involvements before – in a sense the instinct will be “lightened up”, able to explore in an open and less intense way.  And it will do this through aligning itself and its creative force with the ideal of service and submission to a higher power than itself (Mercury, Mars NN ruler, in 6th/Leo), very congruent with the Soul’s evolutionary condition and its continuing into the 1st stage spiritual.

Finally, I want to offer a perspective relative to Michael’s affinity with pubescent boys.  To me, this affinity is strongly correlated in the first place to the Moon in Pisces on the ascendant, ruling the 5th and trine to Vesta in Cancer in the 5th – which show both Michael’s own identification with potentiality – after all in a sense pubescent children are in exactly the ripest state of pure potentiality and “Peter Pan”-ness, things being ready to go in just about any direction and beginning to go some direction following the first Saturn opposition at 14 – and so he identified with these children as “one of them”; as well as also feeling a kind of male mothering and protective energy towards them at the same time through a powerful attunement and tracking with their own developmental process.   Michael’s ruler of the 5th being in the 1st conjunct the Ascendant, and that being the Moon itself, shows a strong instinctual drive to be constantly “becoming a kid” – and of course again the Saturn square to the Moon showing how the father, and later the public (Saturn conjunct MC), judged, hated, and worked against this instinct in him.  To me, then, his affinity for children can be best classified as an instinctual drive, not a sexual orientation or value/need, and actually shows the usefulness of distinguishing signatures associated with Venus/2nd/Taurus vs. Mars/1st/Aries; it was a deep basic drive that he felt to connect with these children, that was not about fulfilling an unmet sexual need.
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« Reply #68 on: Feb 21, 2012, 04:36 pm »

Hi Rad and Everyone,

Mirta pointed out that MJ had a skipped step in gender assignment with the resolution Node being in Aries - a masculine sign.

"Although with SN of Mars and Venus in Libra the Soul has desired inwardly unite the inner male and female through sexual role equality, there is a skipped step in gender assignment whose resolution node is in Aries, a masculine and phallic sign.The ongoing integration between feminine and masculine aspects can be seen in Mars Venus Crescent Phase, an inner empowerment for the Soul as it forms a new way of relating to itself, and thus to other people; and in the asteroid Psyche"

I'm not quite sure what my question is exactly but let me give it a shot.  The soul desires to unite the inner male and inner female - I assume in a balanced way, the goal to become Androgynous.  Being that the resolution node is in a masculine sign, then he needs to become more masculine to achieve this balance?

That isn't my question however.  My question is more in regard to androgeny.  It would seem that uniting the anima and animus, in spiritual terms, would be a desire to become more whole and reflect the true state of the soul, which is the same as the true state of God, neither male nor female but equally both.  This would be symbolic of becoming whole by eliminating all opposites:  male/female; good/bad/dark/light so on and so forth.  Of course the anima/animus is just one of many dualities within our natures.  In this particular case, striving to become androgynous, once achieved, by any soul, does the soul continue on through the rest of its evolution in an androgynous state generally (though I am sure some would not as its likely easy to come across some situation that creates a separating desire that entails reverting back to another orientation).  So I guess I am asking, in regard to sexual orientation is androgeny the goal, or am I making a huge assumption which I think may be based on Jungian/Gnostic concepts that have colored by beliefs?
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« Reply #69 on: Feb 22, 2012, 08:35 am »

Hi Cat,

Hi Rad and Everyone,

Mirta pointed out that MJ had a skipped step in gender assignment with the resolution Node being in Aries - a masculine sign.

"Although with SN of Mars and Venus in Libra the Soul has desired inwardly unite the inner male and female through sexual role equality, there is a skipped step in gender assignment whose resolution node is in Aries, a masculine and phallic sign.The ongoing integration between feminine and masculine aspects can be seen in Mars Venus Crescent Phase, an inner empowerment for the Soul as it forms a new way of relating to itself, and thus to other people; and in the asteroid Psyche"

I'm not quite sure what my question is exactly but let me give it a shot.  The soul desires to unite the inner male and inner female - I assume in a balanced way, the goal to become Androgynous.  Being that the resolution node is in a masculine sign, then he needs to become more masculine to achieve this balance?

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Relative to the context of Jackson's Soul this would mean becoming an 'adult' male, a mature male in which the inner feminine is united with.

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That isn't my question however.  My question is more in regard to androgeny.  It would seem that uniting the anima and animus, in spiritual terms, would be a desire to become more whole and reflect the true state of the soul, which is the same as the true state of God, neither male nor female but equally both.  This would be symbolic of becoming whole by eliminating all opposites:  male/female; good/bad/dark/light so on and so forth.  Of course the anima/animus is just one of many dualities within our natures.  In this particular case, striving to become androgynous, once achieved, by any soul, does the soul continue on through the rest of its evolution in an androgynous state generally (though I am sure some would not as its likely easy to come across some situation that creates a separating desire that entails reverting back to another orientation).  So I guess I am asking, in regard to sexual orientation is androgeny the goal, or am I making a huge assumption which I think may be based on Jungian/Gnostic concepts that have colored by beliefs?

Removing or eliminating opposites simply is not possible within the inherent structure of the manifested Creation which has been set in motion relative to the Natural Laws of duality. The 'goal' for any Soul is simply to reunite it's consciousness with the consciousness of That which created all Souls, and Creation itself. All Souls are naturally male and female, thus naturally androgynous. Thus as any Soul begins the process of actively through desire to reunite it's consciousness with the consciousness of the Creator will naturally arrive at a state of consciousness within itself in which that natural androgyny is realized. It's not a 'goal' in and of itself: it just naturally occurs.

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« Reply #70 on: Feb 22, 2012, 09:33 am »

Hi Jason,

Thanks for taking the time to do an EA analysis of Jackson's sexual dynamics to the extent that you did. Everything that you have said is totally accurate and I would encourage all here to read it carefully. Your summary of his relationship to young boys is exactly right: "Finally, I want to offer a perspective relative to Michael’s affinity with pubescent boys.  To me, this affinity is strongly correlated in the first place to the Moon in Pisces on the ascendant, ruling the 5th and trine to Vesta in Cancer in the 5th – which show both Michael’s own identification with potentiality – after all in a sense pubescent children are in exactly the ripest state of pure potentiality and “Peter Pan”-ness, things being ready to go in just about any direction and beginning to go some direction following the first Saturn opposition at 14 – and so he identified with these children as “one of them”; as well as also feeling a kind of male mothering and protective energy towards them at the same time through a powerful attunement and tracking with their own developmental process.   Michael’s ruler of the 5th being in the 1st conjunct the Ascendant, and that being the Moon itself, shows a strong instinctual drive to be constantly “becoming a kid” – and of course again the Saturn square to the Moon showing how the father, and later the public (Saturn conjunct MC), judged, hated, and worked against this instinct in him.  To me, then, his affinity for children can be best classified as an instinctual drive, not a sexual orientation or value/need, and actually shows the usefulness of distinguishing signatures associated with Venus/2nd/Taurus vs. Mars/1st/Aries; it was a deep basic drive that he felt to connect with these children, that was not about fulfilling an unmet sexual need."

Excellent EA work Jason. Bravo !

God Bless, Rad
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« Reply #71 on: Feb 23, 2012, 01:27 pm »

Hi Rad and all,

Thank you for the feedback Rad..and for taking the time to read, comment and teach here on this board on the ongoing threads..it is truly invaluable..

and thanks to Cat, Linda, Mirta, Gonzalo and Jason for sharing your observations..I do know firsthand how much time and heart effort these posts take and I continue to learn so much from you all.

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WOW to learn of a confirmation to the past life as Farinelli is riveting for me because of following the inner hunches and seeing the correlations and then now to see the charts in synastry as you have posted... ea is incredible..thank you

Amazing that Farinelli's Saturn is on MJ's South Node in Aries in the second, his Mars also in Taurus but conjunct the Saturn on Mj's South Node, reflecting the castration theme. Also in the life of Farinelli his brother staged a fall off of a horse to justify the need for castration since it was not legal in that time. Farnielli's has a South Node in Sagittarius conjunct MJ's Saturn, the ruler Jupiter (horse) is in Gemini(sibling) in MJ's 3rd house, sibling again. The 3rd house also connecting to the voice, a staged accident by the brother to save the voice.

Also the ruler of their mutual Mars in Virgo is Venus, Farinell's Venus is in MJ's 12th in Pisces, on the Asc and Mj's Moon, Venus being Music..pure and heavenly sound, their music a gift from God, and both being musical icons in their time.

In addition, Farinelli's Pluto lands in MJ's 6th, opposes MJ's Chiron, and is conjunct his Venus/Uranus and square MJ's Mars restating the whole trauma of past life castration. The ruler of Farinelli's North Node in Gemini is Mercury in Aquarius conjunct MJ's Chiron in the 12th which squares Mars and so on.

It is all there..

Thanks again..
With gratitude,
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« Reply #72 on: Feb 25, 2012, 07:02 pm »

Hi Rad, Kristin, and all,

I am really fascinated by Kristin's post on Michael Jackson's past life and how you confirmed it, Rad.  I can follow Kristin's analysis of the significant aspects in her last post, but I am wondering in this type of thing are there ever especially significant aspects that lead one to conclude with more certainty that two figures from history share the same soul development?  Or is it not really possible to do so, because you are looking at the chart from such a holistic perspective?  I had never heard of Farinelli before, but it is really interesting to think about the connections between their biographies! Thank you for all of your work, Gray
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« Reply #73 on: Feb 26, 2012, 08:57 am »

Hi Rad, Kristin, and all,

I am really fascinated by Kristin's post on Michael Jackson's past life and how you confirmed it, Rad.  I can follow Kristin's analysis of the significant aspects in her last post, but I am wondering in this type of thing are there ever especially significant aspects that lead one to conclude with more certainty that two figures from history share the same soul development?  Or is it not really possible to do so, because you are looking at the chart from such a holistic perspective?  I had never heard of Farinelli before, but it is really interesting to think about the connections between their biographies! Thank you for all of your work, Gray

Hi Gray,

Without actually knowing who a given Soul has been in another life, the actual knowing that is beyond astrology of any kind, no amount of astrological investigation can, of itself, confirm that  a given Soul was this or that person in another life. When one does know relative to other means or capacities that a given Soul was 'so and so' from another life then the connections between them relative to EA became pretty obvious as in the situation with Jackson and Farinelli.

God Bless, Rad
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« Reply #74 on: Feb 26, 2012, 09:33 am »

I tried to post, and it did not go through, may have been posting at the same time as Rad.

I started work on Michael Jackson, and then did not have the time to develop it. What originally popped into my head-  related to his Vesta in Cancer square the nodes, and Pluto in Virgo (Afghanistan/Middle East in in the mutable Geodetic zone) was that in prior lifetimes could he have been a Bacha Bazi boy? Here is the link from this forum:

http://schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/forum/index.php?action=search2

From Wikipedia, bacha bazi means "boy play." These boys were often sold by their families for the family survival (South Node Aries conjunct Lilith, House 2.) The boys are dressed up as women, with dancing veils ( MJ and his children often photographed in masks), the boys are very abused, used up and left to die or killed once they are of no further use , massive boundary violations related to sexuality(NNode H 8, Jupiter/Neptune). Of course Vesta in Cancer related to the gender switching related to sexuality.

I heard Jason (on Kristin's show) say the Cardinal axis was related to Shame, this would be the shame as the source of his inner need for atonement (pluto in Virgo.). I think he tried to rescue other children from this fate, but that too, becomes distored and misunderstood.

Some of the boys--those  that were very desirable and talented could achieve a level of status and power--this could be the source of Michael developing his talent out of absolute survival necessity, also a means to wealth and power.

I also wonder if he had  possible past lives as a Kabuki dancer and/or Geisha? --Venus/Uranus in Leo, Geodetic zone of Japan. This could also further support the extreme stylization of his face beyond just bad plastic surgery.

Anyway, thanks, and I have really enjoyed reading what everyone has written, and how amazing and wonderfully it has all been presented.

God Bless
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