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« Reply #315 on: Nov 29, 2012, 01:09 PM »


Hi Rad,
Sorry for the insistence, but I wonder if you missed my post, or perhaps the question.

Hi Rad,
Yes, I wish to continue. I would need more a week to do the analysis.

I have a question regarding Lincoln's evolutionary state. I have been reading a little about him and it seems to me he was 3rd individuated. But given that Obama is already within 1st spiritual, should I suppose that Lincoln was in the cusp or 1st spiritual too?

Thanks for your guidance and for waiting and allowing us to take the time we need.

Thanks again
God Bless
Mirta


Hi Mirta,

Yes, right on the cusp of the 1st Individuate State ... moving back and forth between the 3rd Individuated, and the 1st Spiritual. This is quite typical: the moving back and forth for more than one life.

God Bless, Rad
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« Reply #316 on: Nov 29, 2012, 02:27 PM »

Thanks Rad.God Bless
Mirta
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« Reply #317 on: Nov 30, 2012, 12:38 AM »

Hi Rad, and practice group

Here I'm posting my thoughts on some aspects of the lucifer archetype in these two incredible, amazing social leaders.
Thanks for the opportunity to practice with you
God Bless, Gonzalo
  
In Lincoln´s birthchart, the Lucifer in Virgo in the 7th House reflects being given a mission by God for the betterment of society. It is a symbol of being guided to give to people what they need in order to create a more balanced and equitable society, and to empower people to give to one another, and to share, what they need in order to create such type of society. The empowerment is based on liberation from conditioning societal factors that prevent the integration and application of the true nature and capacities of the individuals in what their role within the social destiny is called to be (south node of lucifer in Leo 6th House, ruled by Sun in the 1st House Aquarius). Thus, “In the 1835–36 legislative session, he voted to expand suffrage to white males, whether landowners or not”. This is outstanding in the policies designed to reduce and progressively eliminate slavery. The lucifer being in Virgo correlates with a need to create a duplicity, because of the existing social extremes and imbalances, between his own private ideals about what society should look like, and his social constructed persona as a political leader, that would  allow to lead and to balance the opposing social forces toward equitability, unity, and step by step, progressive advance toward implementing these Aquarius/Pisces ideals (further, Lucifer itself is ruled by the 1st House Mercury in Pisces, full phase opposition to lucifer). Same time, the Virgo archetype reflects the need for practicality and realistic based action instead of a leadership that solely relies on unreachable ideals appealing solely to more sensible individuals. Instead, a leadership that is based on knowledge of practical nature about how the capacities of individuals can be integrated within the ‘system’ and are able to contribute in ways that allow to create more material wellbeing that can be shared by all, and that benefit the whole of society and each of its parts or groups, each of them defined by different interests and ways of being. The inspiration to balance opposing forces within social field translated in a moderate approach in relation to slavery: “he was known for his "free soil" stance of opposing both slavery and abolitionism. He first articulated this in 1837, saying, "[The] Institution of slavery is founded on both injustice and bad policy, but the promulgation of abolition doctrines tends rather to increase than abate its evils." I note in this quote that his argument is grounded not only in natural law: ‘bad policy’ refers to considerations of practical/economic nature, relating to the creation of wealth and growth of the markets by means of making good use of the individuals capacities developed by exercising their free initiative, ie. beliefs and natural laws that were in the basis of the US Declaration of Independence. In the Peoria Speech (October 1854) Lincoln said: “Nearly eighty years ago we began by declaring that all men are created equal; but now from that beginning we have run down to the other declaration, that for some men to enslave others is a "sacred right of self-government." ... Our republican robe is soiled and trailed in the dust. Let us repurify it. ... Let us re-adopt the Declaration of Independence, and with it, the practices, and policy, which harmonize with it. ... If we do this, we shall not only have saved the Union: but we shall have saved it, as to make, and keep it, forever worthy of the saving.” Given that lucifer is square Neptune/Saturn in the 9th House Sagittarius, within the Disseminating (Neptune) and the Last Quarter (Saturn) phases, his appeal to the founding ideals of his country involved the intention for a collective liberation from consensus conservative beliefs and delusions about the basis for the economy (Neptune rules the 2nd House). Pluto and the 1st House Pisces planets reflect a leadership that is based on ideals, and at same time, the intention to bring to social awareness illusions and delusions that have departed from natural law and from the original inspiration. What was Lincoln’s vision about the future of the liberated slaves? Much historical speculation seems to exist about this point. It is clear from his birthchart that his intentions would be beyond obvious because of the need to lead, balance and unite opposing forces including highly conservative groups. To me the symbols quoted symbols indicate though that Lincoln had an inspired vision about the future of his country in which the races would be integrated in freedom. The vision is signified by Neptune Sagittarius 9th House square lucifer, being the ruled of the 1st House planets in Pisces, and again the lucifer nodes with the south node in Leo ruled by the Sun in the 1st House Aquarius, ie. liberation and citizenship of those who had been oppressed and discriminated, and the north node of lucifer in the 12th House Aquarius-union within diversity-ruled by Uranus in the 9th House Scorpio, ie. the melting pot of the races (at same time, a symbol of his own evolutionary process of integration of a variety of adn types and cultural backgrounds in order to enrich and accelerate his Soul’s adaptation/evolution). The lucifer being in the 7th House correlates with the need to balance opposing forces within social field, and a political need for moderation, and the duplicity of the social constructed persona. Being Virgo, ruled by Mercury Pisces, reflects too that the social persona is delusive or at least, that the individual wearing this mask is not what he seems. These symbols indicate that Lincoln didn’t want the war, because war is a threat to the unity of the country. However, he was neither a pacifist, nor willing to resist the war when it became necessary in order to preserve the union (because the union was a condition for wellbeing for all involved). At such point he became also an inspired general: the 1st House Pisces, and Uranus, ruler of the north node of lucifer, conjunct the Moon’s North Node in Scorpio, ruling Sun/Pallas in the 1st House Aquarius. Again the lucifer square to the Sagittarius Neptune/Saturn reflects the non-dogmatic and essentially practical orientation to obtain the application of natural law. To me this is amazingly similar to the Kurukshetra conflict where Krishna first attempted to attain peace when it was still possible. Later, when the battle was imminent, Krishna explained Arjuna why the war was necessary based on philosophical principles, in order to absolve his doubts. A moment later, about to enter the battle, Krishna admonished Arjuna not to waste time in philosophical speculations, and guides Arjuna’s chariot into the battle, as a manifestation of Arjuna’s selfless action (Yogananda, a declared reincarnation of Arjuna, also had lucifer in Virgo, in the 1st House, squaring his Sagittarius Mercury). Uranus in Scorpio ruled by Pluto in the 1st House, Uranus ruling the north node of lucifer, and Mars/Amazone in the 8th House Libra, reflect that Lincoln used the supplemental powers afforded because of the war, to effect the abolition of slavery leading to equality of rights.

Now Obama has lucifer in the 6th House Leo, with the south node of lucifer in leo 6th House conjunct lucifer and its ruler, the Sun, and the north node of lucifer in the 1st House Aquarius,   reflecting the ongoing mission to empower people to assume their individual roles in the destiny of their nation in order to create an equitable society. Of course many of the themes in Lincoln's are present here too, with the same archetypes involved, so I will not repeat all of them.  The imbalances of his society are reflected in the 7th House emphasis with Pluto/Uranus/North Node in the 7th House, Pluto in the 7th House being Virgo, ie. crisis of imbalance, and the Saturn 12th House Capricorn inconjunct Uranus and sextile the Pallas in the 2nd House, ruled by Neptune Scorpio in the 9th House. This reflects the delusions of the self-appointed Zarathustras in his country, to maintain, perpetuate and increase the imbalances, based on their exclusive self interest, translating in a massive social crisis. That these imbalances have created a new type of slavery because of the types of silly jobs that so many people can get in these economies, and how the money they get for these jobs allows only for survival, is reflected in Pluto Virgo, Pisces in the 2nd House, Vesta in Taurus squaring the nodes. Venus in Cancer trine Neptune, ruled by the Moon square the nodes, ruled by Mercury in the 6th House opposing Saturn in the 12th House.  So many people that have been learning to be happy just with eating hamburgers, drinking beer, and watching tv, and praying they will not lose this ‘wellbeing’.  Obama’s ‘moderate’ approach is again reflected in the Virgo 7th House Pluto (exactly conjunct Lincoln’s lucifer), and lucifer in the 6th House Leo with its north node in Aquarius 1st House ruled by Uranus Leo 7th House conjunct the Moon’s North Node, which correlates to working to create and expand the democratic basis that supports his leadership, and thus, the possibility for social change. Despite his moderation, the threat that his leadership poses on the established powers, who would want a president they can totally control, is reflected again in the Uranus/Saturn inconjunct, and in the Saturn/Jupiter conjunction in the 12th house, where Jupiter is the ruler of the 11th House. That a similar scheme of things has occurred in the social past of his country, and his Soul, is obvious with the South Node in Aquarius in the 1st House and its ruler Uranus being conjunct the North Node. These symbols imply a recreation of conditions from the past. Thus, the lucifer north node being conjunct the Moon’s South Node and Amazone in Aquarius, ruled by Uranus conjunct the Moon’s North Node, which is conjunct Pluto, and Mars in the 8th House inconjunct the north node of lucifer (the south node of his Mars is 8th House Libra, ie. Lincoln’s Mars), reflects the potential intensity of the social confrontations to come, and the given mission to fight to preserve the people in midst of the crises created by inequality. Further, the south node of Amazone is conjunct the Scorpio Neptune in the 9th House, which is conjunct Lincoln’s Uranus/North Node, and this Neptune squares the Aquarius/Leo  Asc/Dsc axis, and rules Pallas which opposes Mars in the 8th House Virgo, reflecting not only the crises in the ‘American dream’ (Neptune grand trine with Cancer Venus and Chiron in Pisces) but again the potential need for intense social confrontation required to achieve a new balance, and a new sense of collective destiny, and identity.  
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« Reply #318 on: Nov 30, 2012, 01:54 AM »

Hi Rad and all,

Regarding how the bearer of light archetype played out in the life of Lincoln, first the basic astro correlations:

Lincoln's Lucifer was at 6 Virgo, retrograde in this first house. That Lucifer is in gibbous phase opposition to his Pluto in the first. It is ruled by Mercury in Pisces in the 1st house which is conjunct Pluto and ruled by Neptune. That Mercury also forms a first quarter square with Neptune and Saturn both in Sag in the 9th house Neptune being conjunct the MC.

The sn of Lincoln's Lucifer is 18 Leo in the 6th house, conjunct the NN of Neptune, square to Uranus and ruled by the Sun which is conjunct the north node of Lucifer at 20 Aquarius. The north node of Lucifer is ruled by Uranus which is in Scorpio in the 9th house conjunct the north node of the Moon and again squares the sn in Leo in the 6th.
The north node of Lucifer is also conjunct the Ascendent and with a wide orb conjunct Chiron in Aquarius in the 12th. The nodal axis of the Moon itself forms a skipped step with that Chiron in Aquarius in the 12th house.

The way I have done this is by first offering a basic set up of the general karmic dynamics implied by the Lucifer signatures in Lincoln's chart, and then the specific correlations of those signatures as it relates to the arhchetype of the "bearer of light".

The essence of the soul of Lincoln, in the life of Lincoln was to be an agent of a higher source to establish greater freedom and equality for all people, regardless of "caste". He did this through establishing a radical vision (9th house, Uranus) that excellerated the times he was living in to a higher level of consciousness. Pluto in the first in Pisces signifies the spiritual calling to fulfill a special purpose. In opposition to Lucifer in Virgo in the 6th: A core karmic dynamic within this soul is where he was influenced and negatively effected by the debilitating criticism of other people. It was the use of word, duplicity and trickery of others that had an effect of frequently creating a disempowering and overwhelming effect on this soul. The ruler of that Lucifer being Mercury is in a balsamic conjunction to Pluto and squaring the Saturn Neptune balsamic conjuction along with the MC. The stress within this soul was to communicate in ways that all people could hear (Pisces, Neptune) something that was new, but was also relevent and appropriate according to the climate of the culture and the prevailing beliefs and visions of that culture - Saturn in Sag, MC. Relative to this Lucifer Pluto opposition this signifies at a core level the stress this soul had in going back and forth between doubting himself, his purpose and his unique role via the criticism (Virgo, gibbous phase) and dissuasion of other people who were likely influenced in some way by evil. The evolutionary intention within this was for Lincoln to learn to throw off and release from himself unecessary relating patterns that give too much power away to other people by way of trying to listen to them in a balanced way. It also implies, relative to the nature of the Pluto polarity point, that these "others" had the effect of instigatingn evolution within the soul by reflecting back to Lincoln the limitations in his own direct inspiration and connection to a higher purpose he is here to act upon.

The disillusioning dynamic for this soul has been the hard lesson of discriminating other people's other motives and intentions. The fact of this being carried over into Obama's chart by that Lucifer right on Obama's 7th house Pluto is quite amazing!

The sn of Lucifer further emphasizes these dynamics as it points to self doubt relative to his life's purpose.  And thus the temptation for this soul to feel inadequate, not prepared, not worthy and ready to do the work he is here to do. The influence of other people (natal Lucifer in 7th, Virgo) would catalyze that pre-existing dynamic of self doubt within this soul. It's relevant to note as well that the 6th house itself is ruled by the Moon which is in Capricorn in the 11th house: an ego structure in that life linked to radicalizing society, and yet that Moon was in an early square to the nodes: a skipped step symbolizing groups of people (11th house) that attempted to thwart Lincon's plan by lying and using all kinds attacks on Lincoln's vision (such as Greely's article he wrote against Lincoln's politics when Lincoln did not yet free the slaves). The intention for the soul of Lincoln was to establish a new national identity (Cap Moon in 11th) through the future oriented vision he was here to offer to the world, and by cutting away old beliefs about a certain culture of people: the black slaves in america (all squaring 9th house Scorpio nn). Given that this nn is ruled by Pluto, this brings us back to the opposition with natal Lucifer.
The intention for this soul has been to bear the light of truth regardless of the kind of opposition from others and the self doubt created from that opposition.

To focus specifically on how the archetype of the bearer of light manifested, it's first and foremost expressed by way of the north node of his Lucifer which is conjunct his natal Sun and the ruler of his sn. The nn of Lucifer is conjunct Chiron in the 12th which is also on the sn of Neptune. This correlates to a soul who coming into this life has already strongly developed the consciousness of bringing higher awareness of God, of higher truth into this world: the ruler of his Lucifer sn is conjunct the nn of Lucifer, signifying a dynamic within this soul that is being replayed in the current life. The intention in the life of Lincoln was to stay focused on the 1st house Sun without falling back into the self doubt of the sn in the 6th that it rules. In so doing, this soul was channeling forth and, through the brightness of his own being that was actualized and expressed in the world on a moment to moment basis of continual action - Sun first house - he was exemplifying a path that is linked to the principals of inclusiveness and sharing (Aquarius) and also bore the light by remaining detached and non reactive, not taking personally the attracts and projections, and mind control games (Aquarius, Chiron in 12th squaring the nodes) of others who sought to manipulate and usurp the divine path Lincoln was on.

He bore the light by staying simply staying on his path and remaining devoted to being a poster child for what it's like to hold strong to one's core purpose - Aquarius, fixed energy linked to social change, linked to the bearer of light of Lucifer. Keeping his mind above the bs of others, and staying focused on his purpose is how this archetype expressed.

Relating all of this back to the position of natal Lucifer itself, Retrograde in Virgo in the 6th, noting that Lucifer forms a T square with Neptune, Saturn and Mercury, it all translates to skillfully working with his words and the careful execution of his spiritual vision via the current structures of time and space and to refine, develop his ability to communicate to and meet the needs of all other kinds of people at the same time. So the evolutionary theme for this soul, which he did in fact achieve to a great extent, was to simultaneously listen to all kinds of people and their perspectives, but also to stay completely devoted, connected to his purpose.

The Moon and Chiron in Aquarius skipped step implies where there had been great disillusionment around humanity in general in the past and that this is something that this soul has carried heavy with him - likely linking back even further to a time during which he himself had been exclusive and ascribed to beliefs that were limiting to various people. I am quite curious what this has related to within this soul. It seems with these signatures that the life of Lincoln itself was still not the first life where this soul had attempted such social change on a collective level.

Leaving the life of Lincoln, this soul has in fact carried forth the Lucifer archetype in an extremely powerful way. In Obamas chart it reflects both unresolved dynamics that are being brought forth from Lincoln: that which is not yet complete, as well as a very special and highly developed spiritual attunement and purpose that has been directly carried over into the life of Obama.

In Obamas chart the position of natal Lucifer is itself conjunct the sn of Lucifer in Leo in the 6th conjunct the DC, both Lucifer and its sn conjunct the north node of Neptune. This reflects back to Lincolns chart wherein the ruler of the sn of lucifer was conjunct the nn of Lucifer which itself was placed in his 12th house (like Neptune). All of the symbols in Lincolns chart in this regard and brilliantly, and even more strongly re-emphasized in Obamas chart.

The north node of Lucifer in Obamas chart is at 24 Aquarius and falls in his first house, conjunct his lunar south node! The playover of the Lucifer archetpye is incredibly emphasized within this soul with the strong sn associations. This sn is ruled by Uranus which is conjunct his own lunar north node. This is a symbol for a dynamic that existed within the life of Lincoln (one of liberation) that is now intensified and is meant to be developed even further. I will discuss the meaning of this further down.

Further basic observations regarding the connection of signatures between Lincoln and Obama:
Obama's Lucifer falls at 12 Leo in his 6th house on his Sun. It squares Neptune in Scorpio in the 9th and Ceres in Taurus in the 3rd. That Neptune is ruled by Pluto in Virgo in the 7th house and squares Jupiter in Aquarius in the 1st. Obama's Pluto is conjunct the natal position of Lincoln's Lucifer. Pluto is in opposition to Chiron which is the placement by house and sign of Lincoln's natal Pluto. That Chiron is ruled by Neptune and that Neptune is conjunct Lincoln's north node.

The archetype of the bearer of light has been playing out in the life of Obama by way of how this soul has come into this world with the intention to develop and improve his self actualization - implying that in this life he is reflecting heavily on what works and what doesn't work, and with the intention to improve and address any aspects of denial regarding his purpose that is latent from the past (Lucifer conjunct its sn in the 6th house symbolizing latent relive dynamics). This expresses by way of this soul becoming very discriminative regarding the nature of his purpose and how to work with highest integrity possible; to correct previously made mistakes.

On another level, the strong 6th house Lucifer emphasis for this soul implies that he is bearing the light in this life by creating work that truly brings greater light and consciousness into this world. Relative to the evolutionary theme of his Lucifer nn in Aquarius in the first, relative to the natal position of Lucifer in the 6th and linking the ruler of the north node: Uranus in the 7th with Pluto: it has translated to spearheading social reform programs such as improved healthcare systems (6th house) that is relevent and applicable to all kinds of groups and social divisions in the country (7th house Uranus). He is also quite happy to call this health care reform "Obama care" (Leo).

(Note that both the nodes of Lucifer along with the Sun and Lucifer itself are squaring Ceres in Taurus in the 3rd along with Neptune in Scorpio in the 9th. This is important to point out as both Ceres and Vesta are squaring the nodal axis of the Moon. They are in the third house and are integrated through the lunar north node which is conjunct the nn of Lucifer, also squaring those asteroids. This third house skipped step theme here is also a repeat of the Gemini Moon squaring the nodes. I would like to spend more time reflecting on the actual correlations of these signatures within the soul of Obama and offer further interpretation.)

The north node of Lucifer being on the lunar south node correlates to a very well developed dynamic that is being brought forth from the past and karmicly needing to be played out once again. This south node being ruled by Uranus which is with the north node implies the direct theme here of initiating actions that will affect liberation and greater equality for all kinds of groups. The north node of Neptune involved with all those first house signatures is quite literally signifying an intention from a higher source for this soul to bring greater light into this world through persistent,objective and detached action. One way this soul bears light would also be through his ability to not care what other people think - simple things like that serve as great examples of the God consciousness of giving and sharing: how to listen with true consideration (7th house linkage) and at the same time to stand strong on one's own path without false or unnecessary compromise.

The marker for how this soul is to be a bearer of light ultimately comes down to following his own path. The correlations with Pluto being right on the Lucifer of Lincoln, and the immense confrontations and need to break through resistance implied within his own Pluto signature - conjunct Uranus, new phase with Mars in Virgo, also that it is conjunct the ruler of all that Aquarius and in opposition to Chiron, which is conjunct Lincoln's Pluto, implies that this soul is weeding out latent dynamics of self doubt that has otherwise blocked him from acting in the past. Ultimately this is all integrated through his own Sun which is right there conjunct Lucifer and its own SN: Reliving and rediscriminating how to actualize his purpose.

Thank you so much for this learning opportunity Rad. This is a deep blessing in my life.
God bless, with love,
Ari Moshe




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« Reply #319 on: Nov 30, 2012, 03:54 AM »

Hi Rad,

Just affirming that I too am still in. Close to posting on the lincoln/obama B.O.L. signatures (1 to 3 days).

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« Reply #320 on: Dec 02, 2012, 11:47 AM »

 Hi Rad and Group,
Thanks for sharing your deep knowledge, and for the opportunity of learning.

Some observations of the Bearer of Light in Barack Obama and Abraham Lincoln’s charts.

ABRAHAM LINCOLN
             "With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to     see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds” (Second Inaugural Address) (Lucifer in Virgo in 7th house opposite Pluto in Pisces square Saturn and Neptune in 9th house  Sag, inconjunct Chiron in Aquarius; SN Lucifer in Leo in 6th house trine SN Uranus in 10th and conjunct Neptune NN; NN in Aquarius in 12th house conjunct Chiron, Sun and Pallas.)


SN Lucifer in Leo in 6th house conjunct NN Neptune opposite Chiron in 12th house Aquarius that is conjunct SN Neptune, and gibbous inconjunct Pluto, reflects a former intention of creative self actualization in work as a way to serve and help humanity to actualize the Divine Plan of Union.

In Lincoln’s life Lucifer in Virgo conjunct PPP manifested as the Bearer of Light by turning into reality the Soul’s purpose of realizing its special destiny of finding an individual, original way of struggling to achieve social union according to Natural Law, and initiating a new social structure according to it. (Pluto in 1st house Pisces trine Uranus conjunct NN in 9th house, ruler Neptune in Sag in 9th house conjunct Saturn)

NN Lucifer in 12th house Aquarius conjunct Chiron, Ascendant, Sun and Pallas, and trine Mars in 8th house Libra; ruled by Uranus in Scorpio in 9th house conjunct NN, suggests that this new social structure pointed to liberation from imprisonment in social exclusion (slavery), healing the wounds of difference, of being a foreigner , an outsider (Chiron square
Resolution NN conjunct NN  Chiron in 9th house), and recovering the former union between people and with God/ess existing in matriarchal times aligned with N.L. (conjunction Chiron conjunct SN Neptune in Aquarius ruled by Uranus in 9th house).

He was a leader who always accepted observations and critics, but was not afraid of following his own instinct when he judged convenient (Lucifer in Virgo in 7th house, ruler Mercury in Pisces balsamic conjunction Pluto in 1st house), and able to accept praise and trust with humility. (SN Lucifer in Leo in 6th house conjunct NN Neptune opposite Chiron in 12th house Aquarius that is conjunct SN Neptune and gibbous inconjunct Pluto).
This humility is also present in the Gettysburg Address: “But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate… we cannot consecrate… we cannot hallow… this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here.”
However, his select words were never forgotten, despite its succinctness.

God’s consciousness through Lucifer in Virgo in 7th house provided discrimination and understanding of other’s needs as well as the differences between people and acceptation of them, together with a capacity to identify the people’s qualities and possibilities. That’s why he choose his collaborators according to personal conditions and responsibility, without looking at their party. (ARREGLAR)
He avoided quarrels or suits without listening all the parts involved, without considering all perspectives and causes. (Lucifer in 7th house sextile Uranus in 9th house Scorpio inconjunct Venus that is ruled by Mars in Libra in 8th house.)

Slavery abolition is perhaps what best reflects God’s consciousness manifesting through this Soul.
Although he felt that Afro Americans were not equal to whites, he believed the American founders intended that all men were created with certain inalienable rights. (Lucifer in 7h house square Saturn in Sag in 9th house conjunct Neptune)
However, abolition had also pragmatic reasons, he saw slavery not so much as a moral wrong but as an impediment to economic development, to industrial  development and a way to not more providing cotton to English industry, thus empowering the nation and furthering independence from England. (Lucifer sextile Uranus in 9th house Scorpio, NN Lucifer in Aquarius conjunct Sun, trine Mars in 8th house).
Notwithstanding, slavery was abolished, and he was considered a conqueror hero by liberated slaves: “I know I am free, because I have seen Father Abraham’s face and I felt it.”
And God’s consciousness acted through Lucifer in Virgo with NN in 12th house Aquarius conjunct Chiron and Sun conjunct Pallas in 1st house, by means of a prudent and strategic  program initiated in 1861 and  a definitive proclamation in 1863 (before England could influence on the acknowledgment).
He also made a public announcement of his support to African people’s right to vote in Louisiana (Lucifer in 7th house in T-square with Mercury in 1st house Pisces conjunct Mercury NN and Saturn conjunct Neptune in 9t house Sag).
Lincoln never let the world forget that the Civil War involved an even larger issue. (Lucifer in 7h house opposite Pluto in Pisces in 1st house, NN in Aquarius in 12th house, SN in 6th house Leo conjunct Neptune NN) This he stated most movingly in dedicating the military cemetery at Gettysburg: "that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain--that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom--and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

Rad, I have a question: I have no reliable historical sources, and I am not sure about the motivations of his statements about the physical differences between races would made impossible living together in social and political equality and that “as any other man I am in favor of a superior position for white race” (My English version of a quote).
Looking at the chart and considering what he actually did, I believe it was a strategy in order to not generate more opposition given the epoch conditioning of the consensus. But with Moon in Cap conjunct SN Saturn and Pluto in 11th house, ruled by Saturn in 9th house square Mercury that is conjunct Pluto, I wonder if it was not his own conditioning, although not what his Soul intended.
Was abolition only a mean to achieving Union in his conscious intention, was it actually a mean to him?
What I really wonder is: If he really believed in inequality and white superiority,  did the Soul choose to return as Barack Obama with Pluto in 7th house (in Lucifer’s exact degree) conjunct Uranus, ruler of Lincoln’s Sun and Lucifer NN and Obama’s SN  in order to relive that issue, experiencing inequality, “on the other side”? .

BARACK OBAMA
The Soul returned as Barack Obama with Pluto in the same degree of Lincoln’s Lucifer, picking up the Bearer of Light as itself, as its background.
And Pluto is conjunct NN that is in Leo conjunct Uranus affirming the purpose here, and emphasizing creative self actualization of the “other”, the different, of what is out of the consensus majority.
The Bearer of Light in 13º Leo, conjunct Uranus and Sun stands as a bridge between them, between past, present and future. (Lucifer conjunct  the ruler of SN  that is conjunct Lincoln’s Sun and Neptune NN, conjunct Obama’s Sun and Neptune NN; Obama’s SN is conjunct his Lucifer NN).
Both SN of Lucifer are conjunct, they are picking up the same source, which is SN Lucifer conjunct NN Neptune in Lincoln.
Obama’s SN is conjunct Lucifer NN, and its ruler is conjunct SN Lucifer, another hint of reliving an resuming the Bearer of Light’s intention, now in conjunction with Sun that is also the NN ruler and NN of Neptune.: the Soul is now integrating its purpose of service to liberation and Union in free self actualization of all members of society.
It is really wonderful to see God’s delineation of Its own path through a Soul, one of His sparks.

With LUCIFER IN LEO CONJUNCT NN Neptune in 6th house in 1st Spiritual God’s consciousness guides the Soul to knowledge, direct internal knowledge, of its uniqueness and singularity, and to union with other singularities in something larger that includes it and is immanent.  Humility is necessary and is being developed. It manifested as service to society helping to create conditions of  work in order to self actualizing, and promoting health care.
Lucifer square Neptune in 9th house (conjunct  Lincoln’s NN, Uranus, and NN Chiron)that is in a GT to Venus in Cancer in 5th house and Chiron in Pisces points to that also and reflects that it is part of the individual’s belief system produced by a crisis in consciousness leading to see himself in relation to the All, and that God is intending to transform the societal belief system and consciousness through this Soul. However, he must face crisis and conflicts created by the conservative forces of current society’s opposition, some of them rooted in the past (Neptune quintile Uranus that is inconjunct Saturn RX, Saturn gibbous sesquiquadrate Pluto, MH ruler. Saturn conjunct SN Saturn and Pluto, and Lincoln’s Moon)

NN LUCIFER in Aquarius in 1st house conjunct SN reflects the Soul’s purpose of developing a free individuality,  free from societal and racial conditionings, able to affirm itself in the world with its singularity and uniqueness and able to lead and help others to liberate as well.
As SN in turn is conjunct Chiron in Pisces, the Bearer of Light is promoting  healing of  past traumas in the individuated unconsciousness as well as in the collective and racial unconsciousness and consciousness  and a way out of exclusion and loss by means of a renewed self-relation,  self worth , self image and consequent self-realization as God’s creatures  (Uranus SN ruler, SN Chiron conjunct Lincoln’s SN, NN Chiron conjunct Lincoln’s Mars in 8th house; Chiron  conjunct Persephone, Ceres in Taurus ruled by Venus in 5th house in GT with Chiron and  Neptune in 9th house Scorpio).
The Bearer of Light is pointing toward a humble and detached individuality that perceives himself and others as souls and sees himself as “instrumental”, as a medium through which God’s Love and healing flows to Humanity.
NN of Lucifer conjunct the Resolution Node of Moon’s skipped steps and Chiron, that is conjunct Lincoln’s Sun and NN of Lucifer and SN Neptune reflects the continuity of God’s intention through this Soul of liberating people of all forms of conditioning and exclusion.
Equality and inclusion in freedom is what this Soul is and has been seeking and promoting; ability to achieve it for himself and others, following its own objective intuition with ever increasing compassion is its direction and goal.

Rad, aware of the privilege and blessing of having your attention and teaching, with gratitude. . . God Bless.
Mirta


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« Reply #321 on: Dec 03, 2012, 09:13 AM »

Hi Gonzalo, Ari, Mirta,

Thanks for making the effort and sharing your EA analysis's of the 'bearer of Light' in Obama's/ Lincoln's charts. I will wait a couple more days for others in our group to do so as well before commenting on your work. For those who are still planning on doing this analysis please let me know.

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« Reply #322 on: Dec 04, 2012, 11:49 AM »

Hi Rad and all,
I can post by Thursday, I've been tending to my mother who just got out of the hospital(all's well!), so I've been slow in responding, sorry! Heather
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« Reply #323 on: Dec 05, 2012, 09:42 AM »

Hi Heather,

Thanks for letting me know. I will wait until Thursday then to read through and comment on the work that you and the others have done.

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« Reply #324 on: Dec 07, 2012, 06:44 AM »

Hi Rad and Group,
My thoughts are not yet all together in written form for this assignment, please proceed and I will post when I am able. My apologies if I've been holding things up unnecessarily. I'm finding such joy in examining these beautiful souls and the massive influence of light radiating from them. Thank you. Heather
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« Reply #325 on: Dec 07, 2012, 08:18 AM »

Hi Gonzalo,

You have made a brilliant EA analysis of the 'bearer of Light', Lucifer, in both the charts of Lincoln and Obama. You have provided an exceptional cross referencing between their charts in such a way as to demonstrate how the impulse of the 'bearer of Light' has been carried over from Lincoln to Obama. Within this you have done the necessary research of their lives including the quotes you have utilized from the life of Lincoln to do so that correctly reflect the analysis you have made.

Your EA reasoning of the various symbols you have used in that reasoning is simply exceptional. For all Souls who are interested in EA in general, and within the thread that application of Lucifer as the 'bearer of Light", I would recommend that you read carefully and deeply Gonzalo's work here. This is how EA is meant to be used and done in order to understand the nature of any given Soul.

God Bless, Rad
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« Reply #326 on: Dec 07, 2012, 08:44 AM »

Hi Ari,

This is simply a brilliant EA analysis of the 'bearer of Light' between the charts of Lincoln and Obama. The linkages by way of aspects to the various Lucifer symbols, S/N Nodes, placement of their rulers, aspects to them that go back and forth between the two charts is just exceptional EA work. You have demonstrated a great understanding of the 'bearer of Light' as it applies to the Soul that has manifested both as Lincoln and Obama. Here is one of the statements within your analysis that goes right to the core of it all:

"The intention for this soul has been to bear the light of truth regardless of the kind of opposition from others and the self doubt created from that opposition."

This is exceptional EA work Ari, this is how it is meant to be done. For all others interested in EA in general, and the application of the Lucifer symbol specifically, please read carefully and thoughtfully this EA analysis by Ari.

God Bless, Rad
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« Reply #327 on: Dec 07, 2012, 09:25 AM »

Hi Mirta,

Your EA analysis of both Obama and Lincoln, and the bridge between these lives relative to being the same Soul, is exceptional and accurate work. You asked this questions:

"Rad, I have a question: I have no reliable historical sources, and I am not sure about the motivations of his statements about the physical differences between races would made impossible living together in social and political equality and that “as any other man I am in favor of a superior position for white race” (My English version of a quote).

Looking at the chart and considering what he actually did, I believe it was a strategy in order to not generate more opposition given the epoch conditioning of the consensus. But with Moon in Cap conjunct SN Saturn and Pluto in 11th house, ruled by Saturn in 9th house square Mercury that is conjunct Pluto, I wonder if it was not his own conditioning, although not what his Soul intended.

Was abolition only a mean to achieving Union in his conscious intention, was it actually a mean to him?
What I really wonder is: If he really believed in inequality and white superiority,  did the Soul choose to return as Barack Obama with Pluto in 7th house (in Lucifer’s exact degree) conjunct Uranus, ruler of Lincoln’s Sun and Lucifer NN and Obama’s SN  in order to relive that issue, experiencing inequality, “on the other side”? ."

This a tremendous question to ask, and important to understand. In reality Lincoln's total commitment was to preserve the union at all costs, the union of the United States. Thus, he did all that he could to that end. His inner and personal attitude of the African-Americans was stated in the very quote that you have brought up. And that, indeed, is accurate. And, yes, this attitude was very much influenced by the social conditioning of that time. Yet, as stated in the U.S. Constitution 'all men are created equal'. Thus, Lincoln's Lucifer in Virgo in his 7th House directly opposed his first house Pluto in Pisces. This is then reflected through Obama relative to Obama's Pluto being in his 7th, and exact to Lincoln's Lucifer. Equality as an archetype of course is Libra, and the 7th House.

Virgo is also an archetype of 'persecution'. We can see the archetype of persecution reflected in the archetype of Virgo, the 6th House in all the different ways that it is in both Obama's and Lincoln's birth charts. Inferiority and superiority also manifest, as archetypes, in these symbols. So one the one hand Lincoln did all that he could to sustain the union of the United States by way of the principle that 'all men are created equal'. One the other hand Lincoln did have his own personal opinion and attitude towards the African-Americans that reflects the 'superiority' of the White or Caucasian race versus the 'inferiority' of the African American race. 

We need to remember too that the Soul of Lincoln / Obama also manifested as Charles Lindbergh who for a time glorified the Aryan race while persecuting the Jewish race at the same time during WW2. Towards the end of that life he did totally change that attitude wherein 'all men are created equal'.

So this Soul manifesting as Obama choose to be born as half Caucasian, and half African-American. On the one hand we can now see the karma created through the attitude and belief that the Caucasian race, or Aryan's, are superior to all other races that then dictated being born as half African-American: to experience the 'persecution' by the Caucasian's towards him as an African-American. On the other hand, we can see that this Soul also wanted to be born this way so as to demonstrate the inherent equality of all races, that 'all men are created equal'.

So the Lucifer archetype as the 'bearer of Light' for the Soul of Obama, Lincoln, and Lindbergh lead to the evolution within that Soul that indeed all  men are created equal: to live it, not just 'believe' it.

Your EA work was exceptional Mirta. This is how it is meant to be done. For all those interested in EA in general, and the archetype of Lucifer specifically, please read deeply and carefully this work from Mirta.

God Bless, Rad

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« Reply #328 on: Dec 07, 2012, 09:27 AM »

Hi Heather and Stacie,

I will read your work, and comment, when you post it.

God Bless, Rad
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« Reply #329 on: Dec 07, 2012, 10:49 AM »

Thank you Rad.  Been working two jobs so its been busier than usual. Thanks for giving Heather and I the time.

God Bless,
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